I applaud the young lady for having a civil discussion on a topic the disagree on. Actual questions were used, and both parties were allowed to speak, instead of one side devolving into insults.
She actually seems like a reasonable person, just young and has been mislead. She has her own thoughts just is not confident enough to follow them when everyone around her is telling her it is wrong to think that way. This ideology is fighting her own natural thoughts. "for me it isn't" But she has been told other wise. She knows its a "disagreement" but has been told its "discrimination". When I see Q&A like these often im left with thinking that person is insane. Here I'm thinking she is on her way to be red pilled.
There's nothing to applaud here ! Just because she behaved normally doesn't mean she deserves to be applauded for it for god sake. She just brought up stupid questions because she's been brainwashed by leftists and wokism. Had she been able to break up from this brainwashing herself without Ben Shapiros explaining basic common sense, then she would have earned applause !
yeah that can eb easily met with retaliation like what Antifa did. when Antifa started Commiting violence in portland they were met with retaliation by proud boys
@@cuivre2004 which can be met with retaliation like what happend in poarltand, when antifa started inciting violence and violently attacking people tey were met with retaliation by proud boys
Watch Charlie Kirk respond to "when do we get to use our guns against this tyranny".. Charlie knew he F'd up. I wish this was sticks and stones as that is how it should be.. We are not mature enough to see it that way.. as a country.
@Finnegan Hark It seems to me to be impractical and illogical to use a word that refers to extreme behaviorisms and apply it broad stroke to anything you have an aversion to. You may have an aversion to cleaning, it doesn't make you irrationally afraid of cleaning. It is important to use words in their correct context because two things occur when you speak in hyperbole as if it were literal... 1. The meaning of the extreme word you pawn off as hyperbole but apply literally loses it's meaning and it's weight. I.e., when everybody is called racist, 'racism' no longer has the gravitas it used to have because it becomes this super subjective terminology. 2. You are simply not portraying the appropriate idea with accuracy. I have a boxer... if my boxer is bigger than most boxers, maybe I call her a Great Dane to everybody. "This is Lilly, my Great Dane". I mean it hyperbolically to relate my opinion of her size to others... but I say it with so much frequency and seriousness, now all my neighbors think she's a Great Dane. Except she's not and she never will be. When you call everybody "homophobic" or "transphobic" because of moral or cultural stances, you completely misrepresent their perspective and seek to diminish and shame them using extremist language that you can later shrug off as "it was only a colloquial definition".
StonerSnek, I agree 100%, phobia is an irrational fear of something that on its face is basically harmless if controlled. claustrophobia is the irrational fear of closed spaces, while closed spaces came be dangerous under extreme spaces, properly managed they usually are not. Transphobia is such a misconstuction of language, it matches well in hand all the rest of the lies so widely circulated, I.E. : gay, assault weapons, planned parenthood, gentelmans clubs, exotic dancing, having an affair, jim crow, women's equality, defund the police. All massive language abuses to justify agendas
English is the universal language, spellcraft, they try and change the words, fetus from baby, novel virus, air plane, pharmacy, so many more. Etymology, It is all hiding in plane sight as if they casted a spell and tricked people. Tower of babel times perhaps?
I applaud this young person for being polite and civil. We need more people on all sides of the political spectrum like her who can disagree with others in a respectful and civilized manner.
Yeah the instances of people expressing hate towards those they disagree with is a plague on our country. All people should learn to agree to disagree.
@@randalthor6872 It depends on tone and intent. If you call me a homophobe as a slur, it's disrespectful. If you call me a homophobe as an honest attempt at technical description, you would be incorrect and it's tone deaf but not disrespect, and tone deaf can be worked with.
She wasn’t polite. She just didn’t get loud. She talked over Ben repeatedly to backtrack on her own definition. Our option of polite has deteriorated so badly we think not raising one’s voice automatically makes them polite. 🙄
I’m warming to Shapiro. I never used to like him, but respect where respect is due. The more I actually listen to him the more I like his approach and intellect. This was very good.
She asked an honest question, was polite and clearly defined the parameters of her question. She is one of the few people who will actually have a constructive conversation about difficult matters without becoming overwhelmed by self-righteousness and emotion. She was also brave in standing up and asking a rather difficult question. She has my respect.
Agreed. She wasn’t rude, she did her best to clarify when she misspoke, and she didn’t try to attack anyone. I respect that she was willing to stand there and agree to disagree. That more than you’ll see with a lot of people that disagree with Ben.
Perfect example of 2 people who don't agree with each other, having a respectful and civil conversation. This young woman was raised right. We need more of this
That young lady presented herself in an open depate with Shapiro much better than most adults I've seen! These kind of debates and discussions need to happen!
She was respectful and articulate, but filled with other peoples wrong ideas which she hasn’t had the time to analyze yet, nor been presented with alternative viewpoints to consider. It is great that she was willing to come listen and discuss and not become overwhelmed with emotion that would prevent her from understanding Ben’s points or taking them under consideration. There is still hope for her and others like her.
Ben's answer should have been, "Yes, obviously my speech incites violence... from the left. And that is evidenced by all the hate-filled mobs of lefties that threaten violence everywhere I go to speak".
I think she was wonderful. She asked a question, allowed him to respond. Came Back with her thoughts and was polite the entire time. I wish more students were like this.
This was a civil discussion. You have to give this girl credit. She lives in a generation that is being morally ripped apart. At no point did I see her represent her generation in any form or fashion. She took notes, documented questions, took those questions to the mic and respectfully debated his response. This is how it should be done. The one thing we don't know though is what kind of opinion she walked away with. The one thing that really needs to be pointed out is that Shapiro has oodles of experiencing in this kind of environment. This young lady held her ground, and in my opinion, can walk away with her head held high. She did a great job!
Very well said. This is the world the new generation should grow up in. A world where one is not afraid to listen and discuss. There is what seems to be a growing fear in this world not just in the U.S. that is making people get very defensive and intolerant of other's opinions. Everything is becoming political and polarized. So yeah this young lady was cool and collected. To me she seemed to be saying "I don't believe all this crap either but I don't want these people hurt". It's coming from a place of empathy. Something that is also increasingly lacking. I hope I am wrong!
This young lady seemed like a sincere person who disagreed and debated her view with genuinely good intentions. It would be lovely to see more civil disagreements in society these days as I think it’s the only way we bridge the cracks that have appeared over the last 5-10 years. Bravo, young lady and as always, well articulated, Ben.
she really got hung up on correcting her slip pf the word “disagree” because she knew she would be attacked by her friends. Even though that was a more accurate definition of the modern use of “-phobia”
Yeah I agree. I think the main problem is emotions, we all have them but we weren’t all taught how to properly control them. When someone disagrees, to some it can be taken as this person doesn’t like me or what I stand for and they are okay with doing harm against me. But it should be I am standing for the cause and I have my reason and u stand against and have your reason. If both parties truly believe they’re right they should be able to explain and make sense of it to the person they’re speaking to. With the right amount of facts and back up, the point that makes the most sense is true and I think the other person has the choice of yielding to the opposing view since it is more supported or they can choose to stick with their own stance (personally think that’s ignorant but it’s part of our freedom none the less). If we’re seeking truth I belive we’ll eventually find it. But I think it exposes the fact that a lot of us don’t actively seek truth but this new “our truth” that is really their own opinion or desire.
@@JoshOkoye Ben has "declared" that having a "college degree" does not make someone "good" at their job or even "smart". Well he has a "degree" and most of the shit he spews are primarily his OPINIONS and not facts. Which is funny coming from a guy who claims "facts don't care about your opinions" He claimed in this very video that he is not "homophobic" I have seen him get mad when a gay person touched him. Thats something a homophobe would do. Ben is hack who simply learned how to make money jerking off right wingers by telling them the bs they love to hear.
Im actually really glad she continued harping on the basis of her question. I feel like that’s the deepest Ben has gone on this topic and I seriously enjoyed listening to him explain his stance in such depth. Nice!
This is how it should be . Ben debating with an intelligent and informed young student who listened and did not rant or get triggered by any different opinions expressed by Ben. How refreshing !.
Completely agree!! It's so great to see him have a conversation with this young lady and explain his point without overly emotional rhetoric being screamed. I like her and I truly pray that she was educated through that conversation
@@gamerdrive5565 I was going to say the opposite. I think her questions being well thought out, her ability to keep her foot down to get her whole point across (making sure she finished her question with all her intended context) IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER, and her seeming willingness to actually listen and internalize Ben’s responses… I think she’s probably on her way to getting red pilled. She was genuine in her debate and seeks knowledge. That’s all that matters to me.
Unfortunately, when they do what the hell they want, they inherently involve the rest of us regardless. It's not fun explaining to my granddaughter why two Men are kissing! or Why a Man looks like a Woman! So you see, I can't agree with you because the things I have mentioned are being forced on me.
@@sheepdoglogic How is two men kissing any more forcing you, than a man and a women being forced on me? Unless you live in solitude something is always going to be "forced on you" Jesus. Y'all make so sense.
Such a healthy discussion here. Thank you both for having the conversation and sharing with us. I hope more folks will continue the same healthy discussions. IT'S OKAY TO DISAGREE
Not a healthy discussion. This girl is brainwashed and delusional and I feel bad for her. She literally thinks Google is an information God, or something... she literally believes Google is truth...idk what to say to that anymore...
The exact opinion of the slave owners. "You can disagree with me, just don't insult me as I make a claim that other people are lower than me." Feminine males and masculine females who can't identify with the organs between their legs have existed for thousands upon thousands of years. There is such a being who is human and has both sets of sex organs and hundreds of thousands of people in America alone who were born with small amounts of organs of the other sex. When anyone brings into an argument that there is a God who wants something to be a certain way, it is truly worse than aging chess with a pigeon. So don't even go there.
What the progressive have been able to do quite effectively is to REDEFINE words to fit an agenda. Phobia is a fear of something. Prejudice is pre-judging something. Free speech is about the freedom to disagree, sometimes vehemently with those we don’t agree with.
@@ibrahim-sj2cr he is basically a fair and compassionate man. I don't always agree with him, but if you treat him fairly, he readily reciprocates. I think he is also more gentle on the youth (as long as they aren't 'rabid').
i totally agree with you. i actually disagree with Ben on most things but the things we agree on like abortion and transgender and woke he articulates perfectly
Great discussion, props to both Ben and the young woman here for being civil. And to all the leftist naysayers out there, this here is yet another proof that Ben isn't arguing against your talking points for the sake of sophistry or cornering you into a "gotcha" scenario, he genuinely believes in his stances, and he can back them up with solid proof and reasoning.
He compares lack of a sexual identity to Alzheimer’s. When you’re that far off the mark anything that lands, seems like a hit. He also cuts her off between making points. Speaking louder and faster doesn’t prove a point.
I believe her assertion is that we can't disagree without " inciting " violence. The problem with her position is that she ignores history. There have always been those who disagree, many can do so reasonably, some cannot. Why would the issue of " transphobia " be any different? Ben nails the issue. People that suffer from a psychological disorder aren't well served by simply playing along with the disorder. We don't do it for pyromaniacs, sexual sadists, agoraphobes, etc. Of course, trans types aren't necessarily violent, but they are delusional. Simply entertaining their inability to recognize who they are doesn't address the issue. I don't care that someone " identifies " as something, but they don't have the right to insist that I play along. If I want to identify as a pony, I will find people that are willing to allow for that, my insisting that everyone believe that I'm a pony is ridiculous and an imposition on that which they recognize is my problem, not theirs.
"Identifying" as something is kind of like playing freeze tag on the playground. When I was young, Kid A ran up to Kid B, tagged them, and told them that they're frozen. If Kid B wasn't playing, they simply told Kid A that they're not playing, and then they both ran off and had fun. Now Kid A runs crying "hate crime" to the teacher, tries to turn the whole school against Kid B, and wants them kicked out of school for being freeze-tag-phobic.
Not Intending on insighting violence intentionally what so ever with this comment reply. However, I just do happen to actually identify as a black attack helicopter. Vietnam era, people often use the pronoun Huey and chopper to describe me in context.
Bad company corrupts good morals so depends who she hangs around with I think she'll just sheeple along with all the reprobates she hangs around with and will regurgitate leftist rubbish indoctrinatuon till the cows come home. She's most likely a lost cause because of the company she's going ro continue to keep.
This was a good interaction. It wasn't filled with "gotchas", but rather some back and forth. Definitely respect to any student who comes to the microphone and can keep it civil and on target in such a public forum. I'm sure it is intimidating.
This is one of my favourite exchanges Ben has with a college student. She has a pretty good question, she's articulate and genuinely tries to understand his point of view even if she disagrees with him and he reciprocates accordingly. Brilliant moment compared to many students he meets on colleges and universities.
You really think phobia (in the context of things like homophopia, transhobia, xenophobia) means that you are AFRAID of those types of people, as opposed to harboring a disdain toward them? Literally look up any definition you want. I think you need to learn what context means. I get that Shapiro has trained his fanboys to selectively acknowledge that nuance exists, but just because phobia sometimes means "fear of" doesn't mean it always does. Constant rhetoric and insistence that being trans is illegitimate is definitely a form of transphobia even if Ben isn't checking his closet for the boogeytran every night.
Agree. She may have different views but she is politely asking questions. We have to give respect and understand that other people have different views than us. Or we will just be like the lunatic lefts who shuts everyone down because they do not agree with us.
And this is their main problem: when you tell them that you disagree with them, but they are free to live their lives as they wish...they can't accept it. They need the issue(s) to keep their movement moving and cohesive. The Movement needs an enemy, opposition, to justify its existence. When you tell them to be free and leave you alone, they need to move the boundary to violate the rights of others, to create resistance. You just saw a great example. If someone doesn't agree with them, that's violence and they are justified in whatever they do in return - moving the boundary - forcing others to participate in their lifestyle. It's a vicious cycle in the pursuit of power.
I also believe that with the way the mind works, they have sought acceptance from people and validation. This day and age people are generally started to accept them for what they are with the mindset "I don't care about your issues, just do your thing and leave me out of it". But that means they (read lgbtq+ community) doesn't have anything left to fight for other then discuss some details. Losing your purpose is something the mind can't really handle and fighting all your life for certain rights makes it hard to get back to normal daily life. Also I think they fight for "their rights" so hard now, that people start getting annoyed and are now like "could you please stop this bs, its annoying now and I don't want it". Which gets turned into homophobia and stuff
Never mind the violence that happens to transpeople....in a world where work place, medical, and residential discrimination can still take place against us, is why the "I disagree but you're free to live your life" argument doesn't work. And the need for social advocacy is still in order.... :/
@@Joie_totheworld My comment was more a global statement. I know damn well that the world is no black and white. there is nowhere in the world that things are perfect. But just like feminism, the push to get accepted has and adverse effect. For clarity, I agree fully with Ben here. I too have no problem with people expressing themselves however they want and when I talk to anyone, I will always do so respectfully or at at whatever way is appropriate at that moment. But people don't want to be forced into doing anything. And forcing a society into doing something for a small group of people will get you a lot of pushback. Social norms and constructs don't change from one day to the next. Those things go slow. Human nature is to hold on the stable factors and things we know. Forcing something they don't know unto them will create distrust, irritation and hate. And what happens then? those people resisting get called homophobic, bigots and what more. I know there are A LOT of trans people out there that don't want to force society into anything and just walking the street as a woman and being seen as one is enough for them. And to me that is the perfect way to go through life. But the whole movements that protest every single thing that isn't in line with what the "community" wants is not helping anyone. All that hate going on always reminds me of the story Dave Chapel told about the transwoman comedian he met. That is a story that already shows how idiotic the movement to get accept is by the extreme people in the trans group. If we could all slow down and stop the forcing of things and just ease people into the fact that , and this probably won't sit well with some, a mental issue like Gender Dysphoria has a certain "solution" in the name of gender reassignment surgery, then that will be accepted eventually. But not within 5 to 10 years.
@@Controvi Just sounds like there are bad faith actors on both sides of this debate. I think he is a bad faith actor who generalizes the trans community when most of us are minding our own business. I think his rhetoric is harmful and does make people view all trans people as bad at least initially. Most the truth is that most people don't know an out trans person who that can look/talk to in order to dispel harmful stereotypes. Like just listen to all of the people clapping at his every "aha gotcha"
“I am responsible for the things I say and do…I am NOT responsible for what other people CHOOSE to infer, or interpret from those words and/or actions”
If the hosts of The View were willing to have a conversation with Ben like this young lady , without playing to the crowd on their stage , Ben could educate their fans in the same open type exchange of ideas . He's willing to listen . Kudos to her and him . We need more of that !
I applaud this young lady. I probably wouldn't agree with her about much but I definitely do respect her point of view and her willingness to listen to others. She has my upmost respect
Well done, young lady! I appreciate the respect and consideration you showed asking your question and engaging with someone you disagree with. Your future is bright!
You point out one thing that I missed. "Respect". It was obvious that there were a few topics that she didn't agree with but was respectful enough in her rebuttal that it didn't turn in to an argument. Kudos to her parents for raising smart, articulate, "Respectful" child! We need a LOT more just like her.
Well done. I don’t think so she lacks adequate knowledge of the discussion. What’s her point. She is trying to accuse someone of something that he never did. Give me a break. She makes Black people looks stupid.
@@donnaroberts4513 no offense, but you're making yourself look stupid. Her race is irrelevant. She was considerate and respectful, which is extremely rare today.
@@donnaroberts4513 I didn't hear accusation. I heard a youth that was trying to make heads or tails of the narrative that's being pushed down a generation's throat. From where I sit, it wouldn't have mattered what the race of the person was standing in front of the mic. The overall narrative that they live with applies to everyone; Nothing but confusion and chaos. Without seeing the narrator's script, who wouldn't be lacking in some element of knowledge? We're all being played the fool. If you don't see that, well, then you're part of the problem and they're banking on that. NOTE: That last line was a generalization. Not an attack at you personally.
A good question for this young woman would be something like, "Who told you that a civil discussion between disagreeing adults is the same as inciting violence?".
If I'm a public figure with influence and I say "wh*t people are (blank) and I disagree with them a people" and then a group of POCs go out and harm wh*t people......that is partly my fault. I incited violence or discrimination. Thats literally what the world incite means.
You meanie. Was she not just expressing her view. I think she was also very polite and respectful and actually listened to Ben. There is a problem with the language. Either a man or a woman. A few trans-women in the UK who I've heard speak on the issue both say they are happy to describe themselves as trans-women. The great writer Jan Morris (who sadly died a few years ago) transitioned in 1972, wrote a great book about her journey, and lived very happily as a "woman" for nearly 50 years, and got very rough treatment on live TV shows in the early years but still remained open and honest. And a brilliant and acclaimed writer.
@@andrewreardon8093 do you know what a beta male is? Look it up. One more thing, it's impossible for a man to trans to a woman. God already created him to be what he wanted him to be.
that's happening all the time, imagine running into a drunk arsehole in a bar and he utters the worst possible stuff about your grandma, wife or daughter, i mean, yeah, it's hurtful and in lots of cases would lead to violence. That's a thing about "free speech" i'm still on the fence about, because it just doesn't sit right to be an absolutist about it. that said, regulating speech down to the most inoffensive factor possible just doesn't sit right either, not only because this is highly individual and subjective. Wish we could just live by common sense.
This recent tread of saying people are too sensitive needs to stop before words don't matter at all. Having consequences for what we say is a huge part of the moral evolution of humans.
@@-Ryu Free speech means that we are entitled to our own opinions. It doesn't mean it's ok to shove those opinions down other people's throats without consequences. It's doesn't mean it's ok to say disrespectful things to other people. We still need to show respect for each other. That happens through how we speak to each other. Words matter!
I love this audience member!!! She is an intelligent young woman who is there to hear to broaden her knowledge which is so amazing!!! You can tell she is a highly intelligent young woman with an amazingly awesome demeanor, something which is a rarity in our country now. I have a daughter her age who is in med school now, but she does not have the patience or thought process as this young lady. Her parents did a wonderful job.
@@magicjim1 Which - semantically - are two completely different words. Smh. It's not that difficult to understand. Phobia is from the Greek and it means "Fear". There is no semantic, syntactic, lexicological, or otherwise definition, insinuation, or allusion to the concept of "tolerance" (which, by the way, those who call people by such names are being intolerant of those people being name-called, which is hypocritical) in any form or fashion. Plain and simple. Changing a word's definition to suit your personal opinion of what the word should mean (such as the LGBT community taking the word "gay" (which, btw, comes from the Old French word "gai" meaning "cheerful, happy, full of merriment" etc) and has nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuality) and transformed it (pun intended) into something it was never meant to be just so that a label could be put on - and used against - anyone who happens to disagree with their particular point of view.
@@magicjim1 , disagreeing with something and not tolerating it are not even the same thing though. I have beliefs that are different from some of my friends, it doesn't mean I don't tolerate them, it just means we disagree with those beliefs.
When I was growing up there were 2 sayings: if someone told you to jump off a bridge would you do it? Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me. I feel these sayings could teach kids today better than any school.
Hey, gang, Ben was right with his first response to "transphobia"--that he's not afraid of trans people. The expert at the microphone said "phobia" meant disagreeing with someone. Nope. "Phobia" derives from the Greek φόβος (phobos) which MEANS fear.
@@TheRealBlazingDiamond Exactly. The left hijacked the suffix 'phobia', stuck it on the prefix 'homo' and then changed its meaning to keep the "irrational" part. The did the same with transphobia later. They want people to look at those who disagree with the LGBTQ movement as irrational ... regardless of how utterly rational their point of view is.
The girl at the microphone was disingenuous. She protesteth too much that she was only arguing others' beliefs on their behalf. Her soft-spoken controlled style disguises that she's really just like a lot of other know-it-alls, standing up in front of lots of people to trap Ben in a gotcha.
Not a huge fan of Shapiro, but HE nailed it perfectly. These people are mentally ill and require help. Those that feel attacked or provoked when this is stated also require professional help.
It's woke. It is always victimhood, victimhood, victimhood... oppressors, oppressors, oppressors 😢😭 with no end to it. You are always correct because you are or you represent victims. If you disagree with someone in debate, you just label them oppressors in some form, so you are never incorrect.
The reality of gender dysphoria is that it's very rare and most of these people are only doing this stuff because Hollywood and Social media have been making it seem cool and hip for the past 15 years. What they never tell these kids is that they will forever be conflicted, have a higher rate of suicide, drug use to escape, and have a high probability of adverse side affects from the transition drugs and surgeries. They're being lied to and used by groups who want to reimagine our society into their version of what society should be.
SHAPIRO YOU ARE SUCH A WONDERFUL YOUNG MAN, GOOD MORALS PRINCIPLES, AND WE LOVE THAT.....SOME PEOPLE JUST WANT TO BRING INMORALITY TO OUR COUNTRY....AND THE WORLD, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ANYMORE, BECAUSE WE JUST HAVE ENOUGH!!!!
Saying someone who says men can't be women and women can't be men is not transphobia, it's factual. But as Ben says, we all have the same right to speech and our own thoughts.
What the hell do you care if a woman dresses as a man, and carries herself as a man? What do you care if a man dresses as a woman? Leave them be. You lying conservatives never really cared about freedom. You want freedom your way.
@@rsmonge I don't have a problem with how they dress, or behave in their own life, I do have a problem with them bringing it into schools and by the social media back door. Ps I have never voted conservative in the last 25 years of voting, however I do know the difference between right and wrong, right and left is immaterial in this matter!
@@ddoherty5956 Your concern makes no sense. They are in schools. They are on social media. That's their own life. Are you sure your idea of right and wrong is not just a traditional prejudice? "right and wrong" used to mean that black people and white people could not mix. It used to mean that a woman couldn't work outside the home. You ever see that photo of the guy pushing the woman, for trying to run the Boston marathon. He thought he was protecting "right and wrong". But actually he was just wrong.
I feel more calm and happy after one of Ben's speeches, myself. The soothing effect of intelligence and truth, facts and righteousness. Knowing that I'm not alone, that Ben exists and is out there, putting these into words for me ! So very uplifting and soothing !
You might call it psychological projection. These people tend to have high degrees of narcissism and they also tend to lack self-awareness and insight into their own nature. They assume others are just like them, or worse, they cannot stand to actually accept their own poor character and wickedness so they must project it outwardly; this is often what keeps them from personal redemption.
@@Rino37 Well, that started as psychology, but ends with moral judgement buzzwords like “wickedness”, so quite impressive in its obstinacy. As if there was any doubt that this isn’t meant as a reflective statement…
@@osurpless Oh, you think we cannot use "moral judgment" words in discourse? You think, one cannot be "wicked" towards one's self? Drug addiction and self harm of any kind come to mind. We can discuss these topics using our current understanding of how our minds work, while still keeping in mind that some things are "bad" for us. What words can I use to help you? Who is being stubborn in their thinking and insistent on letting people know what words they should use? What is your point, goober? Are you here simply to find "buzzwords" you don't like so you can sound smart?
Yeah he isn't afraid to stand up for his political and religious beliefs, even if it makes people absolutely hate him which is more than what most people can do.
@@justfine77777 yeah and that's why he is such a likeable person. He doesn't let the manipulative nature of society shape his beliefs. It is a personality trait that everyone would love to have.
I think that there was respect given on both sides of this discussion. This was a civil discussion. You have to give this girl credit. She lives in a generation that is being morally ripped apart. At no point did I see her represent her generation in any form or fashion. She took notes, documented questions, took those questions to the mic and respectfully debated his response. This is how it should be done. The one thing we don't know though is what kind of opinion she walked away with. Shapiro has oodles of experiencing in this kind of environment. This young lady held her ground, and in my opinion, can walk away with her head held high. She did a great job!
One of the best conversations on this topic I’ve ever heard. I really appreciate Ben Shapiro’s kind but straightforward approach to this question. And I appreciated the question.
it is normal, but not really having to do with any religion. its normal to hold the view that someone with body or gender dysmorphia is suffering from an illness. he makes a normal viewpoint observation in that if someone has anorexia nervosa, we dont tell them they are healthy and that the rest of the world are just normative, body affirmed scum. we help them. thats whats lost these days. they need help not support in the delusion
Are you saying that because you don't think most Christians would agree with what Mr. Shapiro has to say, or you don't think he should be speaking on behalf of Christians just because he happens to be Jewish?
@@kevincassidy7233 I’m saying the term is wrong. Only certain groups like evangelicals use it and it’s misleading. He doesn’t speak on our behalf anyway. I don’t speak for Jews just because we may agree on certain issues.
I don’t support the views of the young woman but I definitely support the intelligent and respectful advocacy for her views. Her parents should be proud of her and everyone should take hope that a reasoned discussion between opposing parties IS possible.
It's telling when we applaud people just for participating in a discussion without yelling and insulting others. Don't get me wrong, she does deserve the credit for it, but it's terryfing how normal all these meltdowns of broken people have become.
"it's a free country do what the hell you want" I think people often get caught up in what offends them in what Ben Shapiro says that they don't see he's not actively AGAINST them, which is when people tend to get hostile in defense
"Phobia, the irrational fear of...." Always hated the way language has been ideologically appropriated and meanings changed to purely shut down any disagreement, say it enough times so that this becomes the new "meaning" so that even dictionaries change...
Any speech that any person could possibly take offense to, could insight violence in that person. But even if all speech was stopped, we would never stop violence, until everyone was equal In the only way that physically could be.
If someone acts out based on what they hear someone else say is NOT the responsibility of the speaker....it is obviously the person acting out that is to blame.
Yup, The same people who are so "concerned" about hypothetical violence from somebody listening to Ben Shapiro - seem to have only glee about BLM burning down cities all over America.
Like the abortion mafia disrupting Mass by protesting in Catholic Churches. They want the freedom and right to kill babies but they don’t want you to have the right to your religion if it disagrees at all with what they want. I swear, these people have become the left equivalent of the Westboro Baptist Church.
This girl was great ! She was in among a group of people who cheered every point Ben made, and he also interrupted her, and yet she still kept her cool. I thought she came out of things pretty well, and it also seemed to support her argument.
Woman* let's call her what she deserves. She absolutely is more of a woman than most women we see in the spotlight today whether we agree or disagree with her. She behaved like an adult and not a spoiled child.
It would not be easy standing in front of a pro Ben crowd debating ideas with a person that is an ideological warrior. I thought the young lady did a fantastic job of getting her thoughts across and should be congratulated on her honest and forthright communication delivered with humility. The left and right could learn from this and possibly find some common ground.
Pfftt.. She is not naive though... Its more like, her being aware on the issue. And her telling/asking if the man on the podium is aware that his belief may cause a violence on the said community
She seems to be asking to learn more about Shapiro’s views than just spouting her views. Naivety doesn’t factor here…I think she’s a brilliant student who’s willing to listen to opinions she may not agree with
Wonderful how they changed the definition of Phobia. Instead of meaning "an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something." They describe prejudice but call it a phobia.
Does she not realize that the word "phobia" literally means "fear of". All these phobia terms currently being thrown around these days are NOT being used correctly.
Your definition of phobia is absolutely correct but phobia can result in violent acts and hatred. A simple example is arachnophobia. "I am afraid of spiders. I hate them. I would be better if all of them were dead. I don't care if most of them are harmless. I just want them dead because I am afraid of them". It is not just fear. It is also the reaction of fear.
@@lostre77 you ever see a real arachnophobic person kill a spider? Lol the answer is absolutely not. The violence being taken out on homosexuals is not coming from homophobic people.... Your almost there. Almost
@@FlexFast And btw my comment was not about homophobia. The subject is indifferent for me anyway. My point was that you used phobia and its literal meaning to set an argument. But human psyche goes beyond one word and makes your argument weak. That was my point.
Three things: 1. This young lady, and others, think that people cannot control themselves and certain words can trigger them to commit violence. She, and others who think like her, apparently do not believe in personal responsibility. The Left uses this assertion to shut others up that they do not agree with. 2. She doesn't know the meaning of the word phobia (and she is not alone). "Phobia" means "fear of." To say someone is "transphobic" is to literally say the person is afraid of trans people. Some people may actually be afraid, but in most cases people simply do not agree with the trans concept. Words are constantly being misused. You can't have meaningful conversation when people misuse words and assign new meaning to words. 3. She thinks good research is "googling" something. I don't know if she literally uses Google or another search engine, but does she not realize that Google and other search engines (maybe not all) have built in biases (they use logarithms that are not neutral) ? Are they not teaching kids these days how to do proper research? She thinks because she read something on the world wide web that it is authoritative.
The only reasonable thing (and I commend the lady) she did was to stay calm and listen to the hard truths Shapiro is speaking. There is hope for her. Unlike the really hopeless cases who can't stand when being told the truth and then use emotion or anger to respond in their "discussions".
There’s also people that think Wikipedia is a reliable source. When I was in school every class syllabus specifically said Wikipedia is not to be used.
I've always been offended by the term "homophobic", as well as "transphobic", etc. I've got no problem with gay people, but I know lots of people who don't like homosexuals (usually based on religious reasons), and I think I've only met one person who was legitimately afraid of homosexuals. Even his reaction to gay people doesn't come anywhere close to qualifying as a phobia. Phobias cause people to have panic attacks, pass out, etc. Calling someone homophobic is just an insult. Is that how you convince people to come around to your way of of thinking? By belittling them? Furthermore, attaching the suffix "-phobia" to the end of words trivializes the condition of people with actual, diagnosed mental health conditions.
yeah one guy called my Cousin Islamphobic becuase he hated muslims and lets jsut say my cousin taught him a lesson for insuting him. and by that i mean he grabbed the leftist by the neck and repeatedly slammed the leftist against a car hood until his head started bleeding
The experiences we have in life dictate our beliefs. For example. One of my best friends when I started my career was an older black guy who as a minority was surprised to hear him say if ur straight never go into a gay bar because he did on once just to have a drink because it was across the street where he lived and he was drugged but thankfully made it home and woke up in his vomit. His experiences and story impacted me thinking this is the norm so those who are gay who have never done that get looped into that group but we all can understand why someone like my friend would have homophobic views based on his experience. I don’t see this human behavior ever changing but just something we need to be aware of, which is we all have different experiences that dictate our views
I'm gay and i don't like a lot of homosexuals, not because of a fear or hate, internalized or other. It's because a lot of them are damn annoying and often unhinged, and i resent the extremes being the face that represents the rest of us.
@@MrJessebo my uncle was gay (passed away) and I remember wherever he and his husband moved people didn’t want there kids near them. It’s sad to hear the things people go through but religion causes a lot of it but also when you are treated as part of a group, take any group that has cultural stereotypes you unintentionally adopt those perceptions. It’s not fair it’s just the world we live in. I’m an atheist and so many people look at me as if I’m the devil. I can relate to your experiences but we all have our own.
She was so different from other people I've seen try to take him down. I'd be proud that she was my daughter, willing to listen, learn, and have an actual discussion.
She was civil and trying to carry a good conversation. She's actually pretty intelligent in being able to separate emotions talking to Shapiro who usually people freak out. I really like this girl! We need more young folks like her!
@@bludeuce3855 burning any flag is not a hate thing, it's just an object, but if you feel offended by everything, then you will find your hate crime everywhere
@@krisg822 yeah well i for one hate communism whenever i see that red flag i see a demon symbol. communism is a evil idoelogy which has killed millions. and in China Xi is commiting genocide almost Similar to the Dekulakization and or Holocaust. sure the Uhygur camps and gonocide are Similar to the holocaust which is why people have called Xi Xitler
@@krisg822 Thats the world the Left want. A world where they can call breathing a Hate crime and have you shot for it? Why? Because Mommy and Daddy didn't love them or spanked them for not going to Church on Sunday? I have no sympathy fir them and say they deserved whatever happened to them growing up.
Absolutely brilliant. Shapiro was on point as always. The young lady was very civil and engaging. Both knew when to stop talking and listen. Very refreshing conversation
This is what a dialogue is supposed to be. This woman and Mr. Shapiro have a clear and dignified conversation with one another without direct attacks. Without actually put down another's viewpoint. We need to have more of these conversations blasted across social media platforms to showcase the fact that though we disagree on things, that doesnt mean we cant respect one another and the life perspective we each have.
disagreement is NOT the same as discrimination! disagreement is NOT hate! see thats where the left tries, but gets it wrong every time, they equate disagreement with all kinds of crap!!
They just like to demonize people because that's an easy way to dismiss their arguments. They especially love to do it with things that are largely indefensible like T sports. If you say "I think T people in women's sports is pretty unfair" they instantly call you a phobe and to them that's the end of conversation.
Thanks for having the guys to say it the way it is. Too bad many people think that they are under attack by your points of view. Great work! Keep it up!! May God bless you and keep you.
Bc they’re all connected. Feeling of trans people that lead to discrimination and peoples phobias that lead to violence. She’s just a kid and did just fine
It's so awful that we live in a society that wants to INCITE indifference just because it's the IN thing. Ben Shapiro has some great values and beliefs. In my OPINION, if you feel anything he says incites violence, then you are someone just looking for an excuse and a finger to point at instead of looking at the person in the mirror and saying yeah this could be the problem
Hers the difference between liberals and conservatives in a nut shell. A conservative, in general, will disagree based on facts. A liberal, again in general, based Theirs on feelings. “I feel….”
What a fucking joke half the people on the right still can't accept Trump lost the election and choose to believe the big lie despite no evidence what so ever.
You fanatical right-wingers (are there any other?) are always the victim. Always. Does it ever occur to you that you're being controlled by your emotional weakness? Of course not. Otherwise you wouldn't be a Fascist maniac.
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I applaud the young lady for having a civil discussion on a topic the disagree on. Actual questions were used, and both parties were allowed to speak, instead of one side devolving into insults.
Pretty rare.. I'll take civil discourse all day!
She obviously had all the tolerance and curiosity of her entire university class in her body and mind. Beautiful to watch, pray we see more of this 🙏
That's because she was loosing the argument to the point that she was pointing to Google lol.
She actually seems like a reasonable person, just young and has been mislead. She has her own thoughts just is not confident enough to follow them when everyone around her is telling her it is wrong to think that way. This ideology is fighting her own natural thoughts. "for me it isn't" But she has been told other wise. She knows its a "disagreement" but has been told its "discrimination". When I see Q&A like these often im left with thinking that person is insane. Here I'm thinking she is on her way to be red pilled.
There's nothing to applaud here !
Just because she behaved normally doesn't mean she deserves to be applauded for it for god sake.
She just brought up stupid questions because she's been brainwashed by leftists and wokism.
Had she been able to break up from this brainwashing herself without Ben Shapiros explaining basic common sense, then she would have earned applause !
By insighting violence she means triggering others into committing violence cause they can’t handle their own emotions
Like could you trigger a destructive temper tantrum like violence in a young child by repeatedly saying "No!" concerning a sugar cookie they now want?
Yes- there is no hard line involved in their reasoning. The hard line is easily a literal "inciting of violence"- not simply "he hurt my feelings".
yeah that can eb easily met with retaliation like what Antifa did. when Antifa started Commiting violence in portland they were met with retaliation by proud boys
@@cuivre2004 which can be met with retaliation like what happend in poarltand, when antifa started inciting violence and violently attacking people tey were met with retaliation by proud boys
Watch Charlie Kirk respond to "when do we get to use our guns against this tyranny".. Charlie knew he F'd up. I wish this was sticks and stones as that is how it should be.. We are not mature enough to see it that way.. as a country.
Phobia literally means fear. Using phobia to mean "disagreement" is another attack on language
@Finnegan Hark It seems to me to be impractical and illogical to use a word that refers to extreme behaviorisms and apply it broad stroke to anything you have an aversion to. You may have an aversion to cleaning, it doesn't make you irrationally afraid of cleaning. It is important to use words in their correct context because two things occur when you speak in hyperbole as if it were literal...
1. The meaning of the extreme word you pawn off as hyperbole but apply literally loses it's meaning and it's weight. I.e., when everybody is called racist, 'racism' no longer has the gravitas it used to have because it becomes this super subjective terminology.
2. You are simply not portraying the appropriate idea with accuracy. I have a boxer... if my boxer is bigger than most boxers, maybe I call her a Great Dane to everybody. "This is Lilly, my Great Dane". I mean it hyperbolically to relate my opinion of her size to others... but I say it with so much frequency and seriousness, now all my neighbors think she's a Great Dane. Except she's not and she never will be.
When you call everybody "homophobic" or "transphobic" because of moral or cultural stances, you completely misrepresent their perspective and seek to diminish and shame them using extremist language that you can later shrug off as "it was only a colloquial definition".
StonerSnek, I agree 100%, phobia is an irrational fear of something that on its face is basically harmless if controlled. claustrophobia is the irrational fear of closed spaces, while closed spaces came be dangerous under extreme spaces, properly managed they usually are not. Transphobia is such a misconstuction of language, it matches well in hand all the rest of the lies so widely circulated, I.E. : gay, assault weapons, planned parenthood, gentelmans clubs, exotic dancing, having an affair, jim crow, women's equality, defund the police. All massive language abuses to justify agendas
Online dictionaries are bane of consistent meaning, I think all rewriting should be indexed on the page with a date stamp and who made the change.
English is the universal language, spellcraft, they try and change the words, fetus from baby, novel virus, air plane, pharmacy, so many more. Etymology, It is all hiding in plane sight as if they casted a spell and tricked people. Tower of babel times perhaps?
@@andrewr4541 That's interesting... I never considered that but you're right
This young woman seems to actually want to have a discussion and we should all raise these kinds of individuals up!
Good luck in your fantasy world.
pretty as well!
Gay is gay ,if you wish to be something else I would say please look at your birth certificate, and the Bible
Yep, it's rare to come across someone with Left Wing views who can actually have a discussion instead of shouting and insulting. Very refreshing!
Her premise was that Ben's free speech incites violence. That is absurd.
I applaud this young person for being polite and civil. We need more people on all sides of the political spectrum like her who can disagree with others in a respectful and civilized manner.
Yeah the instances of people expressing hate towards those they disagree with is a plague on our country. All people should learn to agree to disagree.
Is it polite and civil to call someone a "homophobe" for disagreeing with you? I don't think that's polite at all.
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It depends on tone and intent. If you call me a homophobe as a slur, it's disrespectful. If you call me a homophobe as an honest attempt at technical description, you would be incorrect and it's tone deaf but not disrespect, and tone deaf can be worked with.
She's really ignorant and brain dead though. Someone of her age should be much better educated on basic biology by now.
She wasn’t polite. She just didn’t get loud. She talked over Ben repeatedly to backtrack on her own definition. Our option of polite has deteriorated so badly we think not raising one’s voice automatically makes them polite. 🙄
I’m warming to Shapiro. I never used to like him, but respect where respect is due. The more I actually listen to him the more I like his approach and intellect. This was very good.
If I wrote a Comment, it would be EXACTLY what you Stated.
Same here
The more I listen to him, the more I dislike him. I am actually beginning to hate him. So, bye
She’s young, articulate, questions what’s being said, does it respectfully. All the power to her.
Don't forget beautiful
Agree she is so nice, but asking stupid questions is a prob it make you look stupid
@@jojosoni so?
Articulate?? Ok. If you say so.
hahaha, and still clueless.
She asked an honest question, was polite and clearly defined the parameters of her question. She is one of the few people who will actually have a constructive conversation about difficult matters without becoming overwhelmed by self-righteousness and emotion. She was also brave in standing up and asking a rather difficult question. She has my respect.
Yes, but it would have been even better, if she was ready to think before asking these questions. Because then there would be no need for a debate.
Absolutely agree
She did a good job compared to some of the people that debate him. Most of the people already lose the debate once they become immature with him.
Agreed. She wasn’t rude, she did her best to clarify when she misspoke, and she didn’t try to attack anyone. I respect that she was willing to stand there and agree to disagree. That more than you’ll see with a lot of people that disagree with Ben.
She was a polite dufus.
Perfect example of 2 people who don't agree with each other, having a respectful and civil conversation. This young woman was raised right. We need more of this
That young lady presented herself in an open depate with Shapiro much better than most adults I've seen! These kind of debates and discussions need to happen!
What is heartbreaking is she's spending so much time during her educational years delving into this bullsh*t.
She was respectful and articulate, but filled with other peoples wrong ideas which she hasn’t had the time to analyze yet, nor been presented with alternative viewpoints to consider. It is great that she was willing to come listen and discuss and not become overwhelmed with emotion that would prevent her from understanding Ben’s points or taking them under consideration. There is still hope for her and others like her.
I agree 100%. She should come out of this social nonsense and focus on something more productive. She’s gonna spin herself down a drain.
Couldn’t agree more. This was great to see. Ben on epic form here and very respectful indeed. Hopefully the young lady found this interaction helpful.
Ben's answer should have been, "Yes, obviously my speech incites violence... from the left. And that is evidenced by all the hate-filled mobs of lefties that threaten violence everywhere I go to speak".
Proof that debate and conversation Is more powerful than Hate and ignorance 🙏 much respect to the young lady and to mr. Shapiro 😎🔥🔥
100% That's why our great politicians only debate once our twice every four years. Our division is their paycheck.
That's why they want to cancel him because he's getting thru to these people and the fringe can can't have that
@@johnwhite5897 He's not really getting through to anyone.
@@JustinL614 You, for example?
@@JustinL614 apparently you did not listen or do not understand what you heard.
I think she was wonderful. She asked a question, allowed him to respond. Came
Back with her thoughts and was polite the entire time. I wish more students were like this.
Most are, because most people are polite and most parents raise their kids to be polite.
@@dellwright1407 honestly now-a-days kids seem to be parenting their parents!
This was a civil discussion. You have to give this girl credit. She lives in a generation that is being morally ripped apart. At no point did I see her represent her generation in any form or fashion. She took notes, documented questions, took those questions to the mic and respectfully debated his response. This is how it should be done. The one thing we don't know though is what kind of opinion she walked away with.
The one thing that really needs to be pointed out is that Shapiro has oodles of experiencing in this kind of environment. This young lady held her ground, and in my opinion, can walk away with her head held high. She did a great job!
Very well said. This is the world the new generation should grow up in. A world where one is not afraid to listen and discuss. There is what seems to be a growing fear in this world not just in the U.S. that is making people get very defensive and intolerant of other's opinions. Everything is becoming political and polarized.
So yeah this young lady was cool and collected. To me she seemed to be saying "I don't believe all this crap either but I don't want these people hurt". It's coming from a place of empathy. Something that is also increasingly lacking.
I hope I am wrong!
Better then the snowflakes ❄️
@@gregferguson7737 How so?!? She was great!
@@deanoxd968 She doesn't even come close IMHO.
She's really ignorant and brain dead though. Someone of her age should be much better educated on basic biology by now.
This young lady seemed like a sincere person who disagreed and debated her view with genuinely good intentions. It would be lovely to see more civil disagreements in society these days as I think it’s the only way we bridge the cracks that have appeared over the last 5-10 years.
Bravo, young lady and as always, well articulated, Ben.
shes just another brainwashed little zombie
she really got hung up on correcting her slip pf the word “disagree” because she knew she would be attacked by her friends. Even though that was a more accurate definition of the modern use of “-phobia”
Yeah I agree. I think the main problem is emotions, we all have them but we weren’t all taught how to properly control them. When someone disagrees, to some it can be taken as this person doesn’t like me or what I stand for and they are okay with doing harm against me. But it should be I am standing for the cause and I have my reason and u stand against and have your reason. If both parties truly believe they’re right they should be able to explain and make sense of it to the person they’re speaking to. With the right amount of facts and back up, the point that makes the most sense is true and I think the other person has the choice of yielding to the opposing view since it is more supported or they can choose to stick with their own stance (personally think that’s ignorant but it’s part of our freedom none the less). If we’re seeking truth I belive we’ll eventually find it. But I think it exposes the fact that a lot of us don’t actively seek truth but this new “our truth” that is really their own opinion or desire.
@@JoshOkoye Ben has "declared" that having a "college degree" does not make someone "good" at their job or even "smart". Well he has a "degree" and most of the shit he spews are primarily his OPINIONS and not facts. Which is funny coming from a guy who claims "facts don't care about your opinions" He claimed in this very video that he is not "homophobic" I have seen him get mad when a gay person touched him. Thats something a homophobe would do. Ben is hack who simply learned how to make money jerking off right wingers by telling them the bs they love to hear.
She is off script and needs to do more research before challenging an educated person.
Im actually really glad she continued harping on the basis of her question. I feel like that’s the deepest Ben has gone on this topic and I seriously enjoyed listening to him explain his stance in such depth. Nice!
This is how it should be . Ben debating with an intelligent and informed young student who listened and did not rant or get triggered by any different opinions expressed by Ben. How refreshing !.
Completely agree!! It's so great to see him have a conversation with this young lady and explain his point without overly emotional rhetoric being screamed. I like her and I truly pray that she was educated through that conversation
She's really ignorant and brain dead though. Someone of her age should be much better educated on basic biology by now.
Kudos to this girl. I totally disagree, but she showed intelligence and class that few on the left have.
Did she tho? Intelligence... not imo. Class... a little.. but only in comparison to the alt-lefties
Her position in this debate kinda means she lacks intelligence.
@@gamerdrive5565 Intelligence might of been the wrong word. Polite and respectful yes.
@@gamerdrive5565 I was going to say the opposite. I think her questions being well thought out, her ability to keep her foot down to get her whole point across (making sure she finished her question with all her intended context) IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER, and her seeming willingness to actually listen and internalize Ben’s responses… I think she’s probably on her way to getting red pilled.
She was genuine in her debate and seeks knowledge. That’s all that matters to me.
@@gamerdrive5565 it means she is wrong on the topic…does not mean she is unintelligent.
Love Ben Sharpio and how he talks. We'll spoken, intelligent and thought provoking conversation that makes sense.
"It's a free country, do what the hell you want" - as long as you don't involve the rest of us.
Yes! That’s exactly what it is.
Unfortunately, when they do what the hell they want, they inherently involve the rest of us regardless. It's not fun explaining to my granddaughter why two Men are kissing! or Why a Man looks like a Woman! So you see, I can't agree with you because the things I have mentioned are being forced on me.
okay apply this to the church, abortions, etc. Keep your opinions out of other peoples lives.
@@sheepdoglogic How is two men kissing any more forcing you, than a man and a women being forced on me? Unless you live in solitude something is always going to be "forced on you" Jesus. Y'all make so sense.
Free country..?.....that's what you think
Such a healthy discussion here. Thank you both for having the conversation and sharing with us. I hope more folks will continue the same healthy discussions. IT'S OKAY TO DISAGREE
Not a healthy discussion. This girl is brainwashed and delusional and I feel bad for her. She literally thinks Google is an information God, or something... she literally believes Google is truth...idk what to say to that anymore...
The exact opinion of the slave owners. "You can disagree with me, just don't insult me as I make a claim that other people are lower than me." Feminine males and masculine females who can't identify with the organs between their legs have existed for thousands upon thousands of years. There is such a being who is human and has both sets of sex organs and hundreds of thousands of people in America alone who were born with small amounts of organs of the other sex. When anyone brings into an argument that there is a God who wants something to be a certain way, it is truly worse than aging chess with a pigeon. So don't even go there.
Almost Ben cut her off every time. She did not finish a single sentence
@@victorscasas1193 Ben Shapiro has never allowed another individual to complete a sentence in his entire anti-american pundit career.
@@victorscasas1193 Who cares. She was spouting really dumb stuff. She is just a brainwashed NPC.
Shapiro is one of the brightest people I have ever encountered! He relates his conservatism in such a way that is incontrovertible! Love ❤️ It!!
I wish more young people were like this young lady. Class, patience and a willingness to debate with respect
What the progressive have been able to do quite effectively is to REDEFINE words to fit an agenda. Phobia is a fear of something. Prejudice is pre-judging something. Free speech is about the freedom to disagree, sometimes vehemently with those we don’t agree with.
Ben was pretty kind, she is young and nervous... and brave
@@ibrahim-sj2cr he is basically a fair and compassionate man. I don't always agree with him, but if you treat him fairly, he readily reciprocates. I think he is also more gentle on the youth (as long as they aren't 'rabid').
i totally agree with you. i actually disagree with Ben on most things but the things we agree on like abortion and transgender and woke he articulates perfectly
I just wish our education system had not failed her so badly that she doesn't understand basic biology ;(
She was the first time I’ve heard someone explain a question without going into a long litany of platitude’s. Finally a to the point question.
Great discussion, props to both Ben and the young woman here for being civil. And to all the leftist naysayers out there, this here is yet another proof that Ben isn't arguing against your talking points for the sake of sophistry or cornering you into a "gotcha" scenario, he genuinely believes in his stances, and he can back them up with solid proof and reasoning.
He compares lack of a sexual identity to Alzheimer’s. When you’re that far off the mark anything that lands, seems like a hit. He also cuts her off between making points. Speaking louder and faster doesn’t prove a point.
I believe her assertion is that we can't disagree without " inciting " violence. The problem with her position is that she ignores history. There have always been those who disagree, many can do so reasonably, some cannot. Why would the issue of " transphobia " be any different?
Ben nails the issue. People that suffer from a psychological disorder aren't well served by simply playing along with the disorder. We don't do it for pyromaniacs, sexual sadists, agoraphobes, etc. Of course, trans types aren't necessarily violent, but they are delusional. Simply entertaining their inability to recognize who they are doesn't address the issue.
I don't care that someone " identifies " as something, but they don't have the right to insist that I play along. If I want to identify as a pony, I will find people that are willing to allow for that, my insisting that everyone believe that I'm a pony is ridiculous and an imposition on that which they recognize is my problem, not theirs.
@Dominic Amoe lmao!
Perfect!
"Identifying" as something is kind of like playing freeze tag on the playground. When I was young, Kid A ran up to Kid B, tagged them, and told them that they're frozen. If Kid B wasn't playing, they simply told Kid A that they're not playing, and then they both ran off and had fun. Now Kid A runs crying "hate crime" to the teacher, tries to turn the whole school against Kid B, and wants them kicked out of school for being freeze-tag-phobic.
Aren't half of sex offenders in the US identifying "as" the opposite sex? Men cosplaying as women tend to be more misogynistic/paraphilic.
Not Intending on insighting violence intentionally what so ever with this comment reply. However, I just do happen to actually identify as a black attack helicopter. Vietnam era, people often use the pronoun Huey and chopper to describe me in context.
She may be a future conservative judging by her willingness to listen to logic. Good on her for standing up and asking questions.
Don't forget taking notes and forming an opinion before she stood up.
Keen insight you have.
nope there are logical "liberals" we are called centrist. Conservatives have always been on the illogical side of history.
Bad company corrupts good morals so depends who she hangs around with I think she'll just sheeple along with all the reprobates she hangs around with and will regurgitate leftist rubbish indoctrinatuon till the cows come home. She's most likely a lost cause because of the company she's going ro continue to keep.
@@IamGreatsword lmaoooo far leftist and far right are so deranged.
This was a good interaction. It wasn't filled with "gotchas", but rather some back and forth. Definitely respect to any student who comes to the microphone and can keep it civil and on target in such a public forum. I'm sure it is intimidating.
This is one of my favourite exchanges Ben has with a college student. She has a pretty good question, she's articulate and genuinely tries to understand his point of view even if she disagrees with him and he reciprocates accordingly. Brilliant moment compared to many students he meets on colleges and universities.
This generation needs to learn what phobia means. Fearing something and not agreeing with it are two very different things.
As Long as Democraps and Libtards at the College's will use that as a tool for division..
@Bob Bob! Bob!
AMEN!!!👌
Yep, it's how the accusation is worded to shut down disagreement. You can't disagree, you have phobia of whatever propaganda is presented.
You really think phobia (in the context of things like homophopia, transhobia, xenophobia) means that you are AFRAID of those types of people, as opposed to harboring a disdain toward them? Literally look up any definition you want. I think you need to learn what context means. I get that Shapiro has trained his fanboys to selectively acknowledge that nuance exists, but just because phobia sometimes means "fear of" doesn't mean it always does. Constant rhetoric and insistence that being trans is illegitimate is definitely a form of transphobia even if Ben isn't checking his closet for the boogeytran every night.
Ben is so good at making people actually think.
She’s smart and seems open to new ideas, she’ll come around just fine.
Agree. She may have different views but she is politely asking questions. We have to give respect and understand that other people have different views than us. Or we will just be like the lunatic lefts who shuts everyone down because they do not agree with us.
Garunte she is half way red pilled by now.
And quite beautiful if i may add...
So if she wasn't smart and narrow minded then her parents raised her wrong?
then she must be new to college
And this is their main problem: when you tell them that you disagree with them, but they are free to live their lives as they wish...they can't accept it. They need the issue(s) to keep their movement moving and cohesive. The Movement needs an enemy, opposition, to justify its existence. When you tell them to be free and leave you alone, they need to move the boundary to violate the rights of others, to create resistance. You just saw a great example. If someone doesn't agree with them, that's violence and they are justified in whatever they do in return - moving the boundary - forcing others to participate in their lifestyle. It's a vicious cycle in the pursuit of power.
Maybe not to justify its existence, since it exists already, but they need it to justify its validity.
I also believe that with the way the mind works, they have sought acceptance from people and validation.
This day and age people are generally started to accept them for what they are with the mindset "I don't care about your issues, just do your thing and leave me out of it".
But that means they (read lgbtq+ community) doesn't have anything left to fight for other then discuss some details.
Losing your purpose is something the mind can't really handle and fighting all your life for certain rights makes it hard to get back to normal daily life.
Also I think they fight for "their rights" so hard now, that people start getting annoyed and are now like "could you please stop this bs, its annoying now and I don't want it".
Which gets turned into homophobia and stuff
Never mind the violence that happens to transpeople....in a world where work place, medical, and residential discrimination can still take place against us, is why the "I disagree but you're free to live your life" argument doesn't work. And the need for social advocacy is still in order.... :/
@@Joie_totheworld My comment was more a global statement.
I know damn well that the world is no black and white.
there is nowhere in the world that things are perfect.
But just like feminism, the push to get accepted has and adverse effect.
For clarity, I agree fully with Ben here. I too have no problem with people expressing themselves however they want and when I talk to anyone, I will always do so respectfully or at at whatever way is appropriate at that moment.
But people don't want to be forced into doing anything.
And forcing a society into doing something for a small group of people will get you a lot of pushback.
Social norms and constructs don't change from one day to the next.
Those things go slow.
Human nature is to hold on the stable factors and things we know.
Forcing something they don't know unto them will create distrust, irritation and hate.
And what happens then? those people resisting get called homophobic, bigots and what more.
I know there are A LOT of trans people out there that don't want to force society into anything and just walking the street as a woman and being seen as one is enough for them. And to me that is the perfect way to go through life.
But the whole movements that protest every single thing that isn't in line with what the "community" wants is not helping anyone.
All that hate going on always reminds me of the story Dave Chapel told about the transwoman comedian he met.
That is a story that already shows how idiotic the movement to get accept is by the extreme people in the trans group.
If we could all slow down and stop the forcing of things and just ease people into the fact that , and this probably won't sit well with some, a mental issue like Gender Dysphoria has a certain "solution" in the name of gender reassignment surgery, then that will be accepted eventually.
But not within 5 to 10 years.
@@Controvi Just sounds like there are bad faith actors on both sides of this debate. I think he is a bad faith actor who generalizes the trans community when most of us are minding our own business. I think his rhetoric is harmful and does make people view all trans people as bad at least initially. Most the truth is that most people don't know an out trans person who that can look/talk to in order to dispel harmful stereotypes. Like just listen to all of the people clapping at his every "aha gotcha"
Best discussion from different viewpoints, no name calling, both listened and took on board the others view.....brilliant
“I am responsible for the things I say and do…I am NOT responsible for what other people CHOOSE to infer, or interpret from those words and/or actions”
If the hosts of The View were willing to have a conversation with Ben like this young lady , without playing to the crowd on their stage , Ben could educate their fans in the same open type exchange of ideas . He's willing to listen .
Kudos to her and him . We need more of that !
I applaud this young lady. I probably wouldn't agree with her about much but I definitely do respect her point of view and her willingness to listen to others. She has my upmost respect
Well done, young lady! I appreciate the respect and consideration you showed asking your question and engaging with someone you disagree with. Your future is bright!
If only everyone could remain calm and kind in these disagreements like she did.
You point out one thing that I missed. "Respect". It was obvious that there were a few topics that she didn't agree with but was respectful enough in her rebuttal that it didn't turn in to an argument. Kudos to her parents for raising smart, articulate, "Respectful" child! We need a LOT more just like her.
Well done. I don’t think so she lacks adequate knowledge of the discussion. What’s her point. She is trying to accuse someone of something that he never did. Give me a break. She makes Black people looks stupid.
@@donnaroberts4513 no offense, but you're making yourself look stupid. Her race is irrelevant. She was considerate and respectful, which is extremely rare today.
@@donnaroberts4513 I didn't hear accusation. I heard a youth that was trying to make heads or tails of the narrative that's being pushed down a generation's throat. From where I sit, it wouldn't have mattered what the race of the person was standing in front of the mic. The overall narrative that they live with applies to everyone; Nothing but confusion and chaos. Without seeing the narrator's script, who wouldn't be lacking in some element of knowledge? We're all being played the fool. If you don't see that, well, then you're part of the problem and they're banking on that.
NOTE: That last line was a generalization. Not an attack at you personally.
A good question for this young woman would be something like, "Who told you that a civil discussion between disagreeing adults is the same as inciting violence?".
If I'm a public figure with influence and I say "wh*t people are (blank) and I disagree with them a people" and then a group of POCs go out and harm wh*t people......that is partly my fault. I incited violence or discrimination. Thats literally what the world incite means.
Bottom line is all this "polite girl" was trying to do is get Ben to admit a man can become a woman and a woman can become a man which is impossible.
Yea I caught that too. She tried to be sneaky but it did not work.
@@roberttimothy1338 😄
You meanie. Was she not just expressing her view. I think she was also very polite and respectful and actually listened to Ben. There is a problem with the language. Either a man or a woman. A few trans-women in the UK who I've heard speak on the issue both say they are happy to describe themselves as trans-women. The great writer Jan Morris (who sadly died a few years ago) transitioned in 1972, wrote a great book about her journey, and lived very happily as a "woman" for nearly 50 years, and got very rough treatment on live TV shows in the early years but still remained open and honest. And a brilliant and acclaimed writer.
@@andrewreardon8093 do you know what a beta male is? Look it up. One more thing, it's impossible for a man to trans to a woman. God already created him to be what he wanted him to be.
You have the "RIGHT" to live in any DeIuslon you choose
You "Do Not" have the right to force others to live in said DeIuslon
EXACTLY 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Succinctly and well put. Someone else's delusion does not obligate me to take part.
YESSSSSS!
If People are so sensitive that mere Words can cause you to act violently towards others, perhaps the words arent the real problem.
that's happening all the time, imagine running into a drunk arsehole in a bar and he utters the worst possible stuff about your grandma, wife or daughter, i mean, yeah, it's hurtful and in lots of cases would lead to violence.
That's a thing about "free speech" i'm still on the fence about, because it just doesn't sit right to be an absolutist about it. that said, regulating speech down to the most inoffensive factor possible just doesn't sit right either, not only because this is highly individual and subjective.
Wish we could just live by common sense.
This recent tread of saying people are too sensitive needs to stop before words don't matter at all. Having consequences for what we say is a huge part of the moral evolution of humans.
@@jjevans1693 Perhaps, but a world where we can say anything sounds a lot better than a world where we say nothing.
@@-Ryu Free speech means that we are entitled to our own opinions. It doesn't mean it's ok to shove those opinions down other people's throats without consequences. It's doesn't mean it's ok to say disrespectful things to other people. We still need to show respect for each other. That happens through how we speak to each other. Words matter!
Um, Hitler's speeches?
I love this audience member!!! She is an intelligent young woman who is there to hear to broaden her knowledge which is so amazing!!! You can tell she is a highly intelligent young woman with an amazingly awesome demeanor, something which is a rarity in our country now. I have a daughter her age who is in med school now, but she does not have the patience or thought process as this young lady. Her parents did a wonderful job.
Phobia = fear of! Not her definition of phobia. Not afraid of gay or transgender people. It’s a terrible use of phobia.
They've become so used to putting Phobia in it, that they forgot why it's there in the first place.
Look it up. It is also defined as an intolerance towards something.
@@magicjim1 This is the modern definition. Intolerance is silly for this. Irrational fear is correct.
@@magicjim1 Which - semantically - are two completely different words. Smh. It's not that difficult to understand. Phobia is from the Greek and it means "Fear". There is no semantic, syntactic, lexicological, or otherwise definition, insinuation, or allusion to the concept of "tolerance" (which, by the way, those who call people by such names are being intolerant of those people being name-called, which is hypocritical) in any form or fashion. Plain and simple. Changing a word's definition to suit your personal opinion of what the word should mean (such as the LGBT community taking the word "gay" (which, btw, comes from the Old French word "gai" meaning "cheerful, happy, full of merriment" etc) and has nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuality) and transformed it (pun intended) into something it was never meant to be just so that a label could be put on - and used against - anyone who happens to disagree with their particular point of view.
@@magicjim1 , disagreeing with something and not tolerating it are not even the same thing though. I have beliefs that are different from some of my friends, it doesn't mean I don't tolerate them, it just means we disagree with those beliefs.
When I was growing up there were 2 sayings: if someone told you to jump off a bridge would you do it?
Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me. I feel these sayings could teach kids today better than any school.
I have jumped off many a bridge. Not too high and with water under it. I have never nor would I stick my head into fire.
Wow, this was the most civil disagreement I've ever seen in one of his q&A's I seriously loved this
Fair play to that young lady for having a decent debate without getting all emotional 👏👏👏
Hey, gang, Ben was right with his first response to "transphobia"--that he's not afraid of trans people. The expert at the microphone said "phobia" meant disagreeing with someone. Nope. "Phobia" derives from the Greek φόβος (phobos) which MEANS fear.
bUt iT mEaNs IrRaTiOnAl FeAr _oR_ aVeRsIoN
@@TheRealBlazingDiamond Exactly. The left hijacked the suffix 'phobia', stuck it on the prefix 'homo' and then changed its meaning to keep the "irrational" part. The did the same with transphobia later. They want people to look at those who disagree with the LGBTQ movement as irrational ... regardless of how utterly rational their point of view is.
“Hey, gang”
The girl at the microphone was disingenuous. She protesteth too much that she was only arguing others' beliefs on their behalf. Her soft-spoken controlled style disguises that she's really just like a lot of other know-it-alls, standing up in front of lots of people to trap Ben in a gotcha.
@Brian Groogle bro, I know you like writing fan fictions but you don't have to announce to everyone you wanna date ben 💀
I would like to see more of this man speaking with adults on theses topics instead of college students. Very great speaker.
Not a huge fan of Shapiro, but HE nailed it perfectly. These people are mentally ill and require help. Those that feel attacked or provoked when this is stated also require professional help.
It's woke. It is always victimhood, victimhood, victimhood... oppressors, oppressors, oppressors 😢😭 with no end to it. You are always correct because you are or you represent victims. If you disagree with someone in debate, you just label them oppressors in some form, so you are never incorrect.
@@sarbantz yeah kill em all
The reality of gender dysphoria is that it's very rare and most of these people are only doing this stuff because Hollywood and Social media have been making it seem cool and hip for the past 15 years. What they never tell these kids is that they will forever be conflicted, have a higher rate of suicide, drug use to escape, and have a high probability of adverse side affects from the transition drugs and surgeries. They're being lied to and used by groups who want to reimagine our society into their version of what society should be.
@@sarbantz right on. Take for example trump. Witchhunt, what about Biden, the media is always against me...
Constant victimhood.
Except for the part where he says he’s not transphobic because he’s not afraid of trans people. That’s become a big pet peeve of mine.
I like her because she isn’t afraid to ask questions and have a conversation.
She’s a very articulate young woman who will be going places in her life. I wish her the best!
She's really ignorant and brain dead though. Someone of her age should be much better educated on basic biology by now.
SHAPIRO YOU ARE SUCH A WONDERFUL YOUNG MAN, GOOD MORALS PRINCIPLES, AND WE LOVE THAT.....SOME PEOPLE JUST WANT TO BRING INMORALITY TO OUR COUNTRY....AND THE WORLD, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ANYMORE, BECAUSE WE JUST HAVE ENOUGH!!!!
Saying someone who says men can't be women and women can't be men is not transphobia, it's factual. But as Ben says, we all have the same right to speech and our own thoughts.
For now...
I believe you can transition into a woman....if you are a juvenile female 😉
What the hell do you care if a woman dresses as a man, and carries herself as a man? What do you care if a man dresses as a woman? Leave them be.
You lying conservatives never really cared about freedom. You want freedom your way.
@@rsmonge I don't have a problem with how they dress, or behave in their own life, I do have a problem with them bringing it into schools and by the social media back door. Ps I have never voted conservative in the last 25 years of voting, however I do know the difference between right and wrong, right and left is immaterial in this matter!
@@ddoherty5956 Your concern makes no sense. They are in schools. They are on social media. That's their own life.
Are you sure your idea of right and wrong is not just a traditional prejudice? "right and wrong" used to mean that black people and white people could not mix. It used to mean that a woman couldn't work outside the home. You ever see that photo of the guy pushing the woman, for trying to run the Boston marathon. He thought he was protecting "right and wrong". But actually he was just wrong.
As usual, great presentation..How the society needs to hear you.. God bless you and family.. .
I feel more calm and happy after one of Ben's speeches, myself. The soothing effect of intelligence and truth, facts and righteousness. Knowing that I'm not alone, that Ben exists and is out there, putting these into words for me ! So very uplifting and soothing !
Many people accuse others of the sort of things that are in their own hearts.
And they're all on one side of the political spectrum....
Nice!!!
You might call it psychological projection. These people tend to have high degrees of narcissism and they also tend to lack self-awareness and insight into their own nature. They assume others are just like them, or worse, they cannot stand to actually accept their own poor character and wickedness so they must project it outwardly; this is often what keeps them from personal redemption.
@@Rino37 Well, that started as psychology, but ends with moral judgement buzzwords like “wickedness”, so quite impressive in its obstinacy.
As if there was any doubt that this isn’t meant as a reflective statement…
@@osurpless Oh, you think we cannot use "moral judgment" words in discourse? You think, one cannot be "wicked" towards one's self? Drug addiction and self harm of any kind come to mind. We can discuss these topics using our current understanding of how our minds work, while still keeping in mind that some things are "bad" for us. What words can I use to help you? Who is being stubborn in their thinking and insistent on letting people know what words they should use? What is your point, goober? Are you here simply to find "buzzwords" you don't like so you can sound smart?
This is the type of conversations we all want to see. Kudos to this young lady for holding her own and being prepared to listen to Ben’s response
I absolutely love Ben Shapiro. He’s so consistent, and never wavers from what he believes.
Yeah he isn't afraid to stand up for his political and religious beliefs, even if it makes people absolutely hate him which is more than what most people can do.
@@johnpett1955 he draws lines in the sand, and he doesn’t cross them. It’s refreshing to see someone not apologize for being conservative.
@@justfine77777 yeah and that's why he is such a likeable person. He doesn't let the manipulative nature of society shape his beliefs. It is a personality trait that everyone would love to have.
Thank you Ben Shapiro for being a voice of reason with great respect. 🙌
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I think that there was respect given on both sides of this discussion. This was a civil discussion. You have to give this girl credit. She lives in a generation that is being morally ripped apart. At no point did I see her represent her generation in any form or fashion. She took notes, documented questions, took those questions to the mic and respectfully debated his response. This is how it should be done. The one thing we don't know though is what kind of opinion she walked away with.
Shapiro has oodles of experiencing in this kind of environment. This young lady held her ground, and in my opinion, can walk away with her head held high. She did a great job!
That girl makes it us Black people looks stupid. She lacks adequate knowledge of the issue. I would have insulted her and tell her to sit down.
@Brian Groogle And your solution would be?
@@kerncountyrd5263 My comment was with great respect to Ben Shapiro for being a voice of reason. You assumed wrongly.
What a pleasure to hear two intelligent, respectful, people having a debate on an important social issue. Respect for both of them.
One of the best conversations on this topic I’ve ever heard. I really appreciate Ben Shapiro’s kind but straightforward approach to this question. And I appreciated the question.
A lucid explanation of the normative Judeo-Christian viewpoint on Transgenderism and Homosexuality. Thank you, Mr. Shapiro.
it is normal, but not really having to do with any religion. its normal to hold the view that someone with body or gender dysmorphia is suffering from an illness. he makes a normal viewpoint observation in that if someone has anorexia nervosa, we dont tell them they are healthy and that the rest of the world are just normative, body affirmed scum. we help them. thats whats lost these days. they need help not support in the delusion
What the actual fuck has the "normative judeo christian viewpoint" to do with fucking biology you now have to explain to me.
There’s no such thing as Judeo-Christian. They’re totally separate religions with different beliefs.
Are you saying that because you don't think most Christians would agree with what Mr. Shapiro has to say, or you don't think he should be speaking on behalf of Christians just because he happens to be Jewish?
@@kevincassidy7233 I’m saying the term is wrong. Only certain groups like evangelicals use it and it’s misleading.
He doesn’t speak on our behalf anyway. I don’t speak for Jews just because we may agree on certain issues.
Love this guy! I wish I could speak this well
I don’t support the views of the young woman but I definitely support the intelligent and respectful advocacy for her views. Her parents should be proud of her and everyone should take hope that a reasoned discussion between opposing parties IS possible.
Yeah I agree
she really wasn't intelligent or respectful. She seems lost and made no point at all.
seen this on the daily wire 3 years ago haha, glad people see her as respectful
It's telling when we applaud people just for participating in a discussion without yelling and insulting others. Don't get me wrong, she does deserve the credit for it, but it's terryfing how normal all these meltdowns of broken people have become.
I really enjoyed the young girl’s perspective, and calm open minded nature. I want to hear more from her.
This young woman bravely stands up for her views, however unfounded or rather misguided. He is charitable and serious.
"it's a free country do what the hell you want" I think people often get caught up in what offends them in what Ben Shapiro says that they don't see he's not actively AGAINST them, which is when people tend to get hostile in defense
I love how calmly he talks with them. I wish we could all have discourse like this.
Hello Liz 😊 how are you?
"Phobia, the irrational fear of...."
Always hated the way language has been ideologically appropriated and meanings changed to purely shut down any disagreement, say it enough times so that this becomes the new "meaning" so that even dictionaries change...
Yes! Liberal used to mean something along the lines of open-minded. It sure doesn't mean that now!
Phobia in the case of transphobia does not mean “afraid”
Any speech that any person could possibly take offense to, could insight violence in that person. But even if all speech was stopped, we would never stop violence, until everyone was equal In the only way that physically could be.
If someone acts out based on what they hear someone else say is NOT the responsibility of the speaker....it is obviously the person acting out that is to blame.
300% yesss!!! So so true
@@speedomars True, unless the speaker a gave direct command intended to cause violence.
@@speedomars Only in a perfect world actually, as stochastic terrorism is very much a thing in our current existence.
@@mustang607 give an example
I have always had much admiration for people that can articulate their thoughts and feelings so well. I wish I was half as good as he is.
it’s funny they never ask if they’re own speech could incite violence (ex. antifa, marxists)…it’s always us that they’re so worried about
Yup, The same people who are so "concerned" about hypothetical violence from somebody listening to Ben Shapiro - seem to have only glee about BLM burning down cities all over America.
Yeah, go figure.
I agree with you, these communist are extremely hypocrites.
Like the abortion mafia disrupting Mass by protesting in Catholic Churches. They want the freedom and right to kill babies but they don’t want you to have the right to your religion if it disagrees at all with what they want. I swear, these people have become the left equivalent of the Westboro Baptist Church.
Mamma Mia.
This girl was great !
She was in among a group of people who cheered every point Ben made, and he also interrupted her, and yet she still kept her cool.
I thought she came out of things pretty well, and it also seemed to support her argument.
Cant tell if you hate Ben or not
Woman* let's call her what she deserves. She absolutely is more of a woman than most women we see in the spotlight today whether we agree or disagree with her. She behaved like an adult and not a spoiled child.
It would not be easy standing in front of a pro Ben crowd debating ideas with a person that is an ideological warrior.
I thought the young lady did a fantastic job of getting her thoughts across and should be congratulated on her honest and forthright communication delivered with humility.
The left and right could learn from this and possibly find some common ground.
she's so...naive...yet headstrong...Like she's been told the same thing over and over without anyone letting her come up for air.....
Pfftt..
She is not naive though...
Its more like, her being aware on the issue. And her telling/asking if the man on the podium is aware that his belief may cause a violence on the said community
She seems to be asking to learn more about Shapiro’s views than just spouting her views. Naivety doesn’t factor here…I think she’s a brilliant student who’s willing to listen to opinions she may not agree with
I have nothing but respect for Ben ! He always speaks with logic and truth.
Wonderful how they changed the definition of Phobia. Instead of meaning "an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something." They describe prejudice but call it a phobia.
Does she not realize that the word "phobia" literally means "fear of".
All these phobia terms currently being thrown around these days are NOT being used correctly.
Your definition of phobia is absolutely correct but phobia can result in violent acts and hatred. A simple example is arachnophobia. "I am afraid of spiders. I hate them. I would be better if all of them were dead. I don't care if most of them are harmless. I just want them dead because I am afraid of them". It is not just fear. It is also the reaction of fear.
@@lostre77 you ever see a real arachnophobic person kill a spider? Lol the answer is absolutely not. The violence being taken out on homosexuals is not coming from homophobic people.... Your almost there. Almost
@@FlexFast Read carefully next time. I never said anything about killing. I said "wants them dead".
@@FlexFast And btw my comment was not about homophobia. The subject is indifferent for me anyway. My point was that you used phobia and its literal meaning to set an argument. But human psyche goes beyond one word and makes your argument weak. That was my point.
However, given their own terms could many of them be considered... "Cisphobic"? I think it would be?
She’s great! Really good vibe about her, Ben should give her an interview
Three things:
1. This young lady, and others, think that people cannot control themselves and certain words can trigger them to commit violence. She, and others who think like her, apparently do not believe in personal responsibility. The Left uses this assertion to shut others up that they do not agree with.
2. She doesn't know the meaning of the word phobia (and she is not alone). "Phobia" means "fear of." To say someone is "transphobic" is to literally say the person is afraid of trans people. Some people may actually be afraid, but in most cases people simply do not agree with the trans concept. Words are constantly being misused. You can't have meaningful conversation when people misuse words and assign new meaning to words.
3. She thinks good research is "googling" something. I don't know if she literally uses Google or another search engine, but does she not realize that Google and other search engines (maybe not all) have built in biases (they use logarithms that are not neutral) ? Are they not teaching kids these days how to do proper research? She thinks because she read something on the world wide web that it is authoritative.
The only reasonable thing (and I commend the lady) she did was to stay calm and listen to the hard truths Shapiro is speaking. There is hope for her. Unlike the really hopeless cases who can't stand when being told the truth and then use emotion or anger to respond in their "discussions".
She is just having questions and calmly discussing with ben. It is not a requirement that you have to have done perfect research before the question.
There’s also people that think Wikipedia is a reliable source. When I was in school every class syllabus specifically said Wikipedia is not to be used.
I've always been offended by the term "homophobic", as well as "transphobic", etc. I've got no problem with gay people, but I know lots of people who don't like homosexuals (usually based on religious reasons), and I think I've only met one person who was legitimately afraid of homosexuals. Even his reaction to gay people doesn't come anywhere close to qualifying as a phobia. Phobias cause people to have panic attacks, pass out, etc. Calling someone homophobic is just an insult. Is that how you convince people to come around to your way of of thinking? By belittling them? Furthermore, attaching the suffix "-phobia" to the end of words trivializes the condition of people with actual, diagnosed mental health conditions.
yeah one guy called my Cousin Islamphobic becuase he hated muslims and lets jsut say my cousin taught him a lesson for insuting him. and by that i mean he grabbed the leftist by the neck and repeatedly slammed the leftist against a car hood until his head started bleeding
Nailed it.
The experiences we have in life dictate our beliefs. For example. One of my best friends when I started my career was an older black guy who as a minority was surprised to hear him say if ur straight never go into a gay bar because he did on once just to have a drink because it was across the street where he lived and he was drugged but thankfully made it home and woke up in his vomit. His experiences and story impacted me thinking this is the norm so those who are gay who have never done that get looped into that group but we all can understand why someone like my friend would have homophobic views based on his experience. I don’t see this human behavior ever changing but just something we need to be aware of, which is we all have different experiences that dictate our views
I'm gay and i don't like a lot of homosexuals, not because of a fear or hate, internalized or other. It's because a lot of them are damn annoying and often unhinged, and i resent the extremes being the face that represents the rest of us.
@@MrJessebo my uncle was gay (passed away) and I remember wherever he and his husband moved people didn’t want there kids near them. It’s sad to hear the things people go through but religion causes a lot of it but also when you are treated as part of a group, take any group that has cultural stereotypes you unintentionally adopt those perceptions. It’s not fair it’s just the world we live in. I’m an atheist and so many people look at me as if I’m the devil. I can relate to your experiences but we all have our own.
She was so different from other people I've seen try to take him down. I'd be proud that she was my daughter, willing to listen, learn, and have an actual discussion.
What's amazing is how foreign common sense is to liberals. Might as well be talking ancient Andaluvian to them.
Honestly, it's like talking to children. Except some children listen.
If someone has to judge someone’s “speech” just shows how emotional unstable they are when it comes to trying to “control” others..
Love your words! You’re always spot on!!!
She was civil and trying to carry a good conversation. She's actually pretty intelligent in being able to separate emotions talking to Shapiro who usually people freak out. I really like this girl! We need more young folks like her!
Hello Lisa Fuller 😊 how are you?
@@gweilospur5877 are you talking to me?
These people think burning the Soviet flag is a Hate crime.
it isnt if you hate communism
@@bludeuce3855 burning any flag is not a hate thing, it's just an object, but if you feel offended by everything, then you will find your hate crime everywhere
@@krisg822 yeah well i for one hate communism whenever i see that red flag i see a demon symbol. communism is a evil idoelogy which has killed millions. and in China Xi is commiting genocide almost Similar to the Dekulakization and or Holocaust. sure the Uhygur camps and gonocide are Similar to the holocaust which is why people have called Xi Xitler
@@krisg822 Thats the world the Left want. A world where they can call breathing a Hate crime and have you shot for it? Why? Because Mommy and Daddy didn't love them or spanked them for not going to Church on Sunday? I have no sympathy fir them and say they deserved whatever happened to them growing up.
Absolutely brilliant. Shapiro was on point as always. The young lady was very civil and engaging. Both knew when to stop talking and listen. Very refreshing conversation
This is what a dialogue is supposed to be. This woman and Mr. Shapiro have a clear and dignified conversation with one another without direct attacks. Without actually put down another's viewpoint. We need to have more of these conversations blasted across social media platforms to showcase the fact that though we disagree on things, that doesnt mean we cant respect one another and the life perspective we each have.
disagreement is NOT the same as discrimination! disagreement is NOT hate! see thats where the left tries, but gets it wrong every time, they equate disagreement with all kinds of crap!!
It use to be they asked for tolerance, and now it has turned into demanding acceptance.
And silence is not violence.
They just like to demonize people because that's an easy way to dismiss their arguments. They especially love to do it with things that are largely indefensible like T sports. If you say "I think T people in women's sports is pretty unfair" they instantly call you a phobe and to them that's the end of conversation.
That's why she really sounded lost and stupid.
Thanks for having the guys to say it the way it is. Too bad many people think that they are under attack by your points of view. Great work! Keep it up!! May God bless you and keep you.
She moved from violence to phobia to discrimination to feelings on trans people.
@Finnegan Hark well you're a furry so your opinion is irrelevant
Bc they’re all connected. Feeling of trans people that lead to discrimination and peoples phobias that lead to violence. She’s just a kid and did just fine
Yeah, it’s called an active conversation…..
Lolol
Americans are spoiled kids
It's so awful that we live in a society that wants to INCITE indifference just because it's the IN thing. Ben Shapiro has some great values and beliefs. In my OPINION, if you feel anything he says incites violence, then you are someone just looking for an excuse and a finger to point at instead of looking at the person in the mirror and saying yeah this could be the problem
Excellent discussion and very civil.
Just because a MAN puts a dress on Does Not make him a women
Might make him a Scottsman instead.
Hers the difference between liberals and conservatives in a nut shell.
A conservative, in general, will disagree based on facts.
A liberal, again in general, based
Theirs on feelings. “I feel….”
No, neither side is based entirely on facts nowadays. Censorship and confirmation bias is heavily present on both sides of the political spectrum.
What a fucking joke half the people on the right still can't accept Trump lost the election and choose to believe the big lie despite no evidence what so ever.
What an impressive, confident, young lady - well done for having the confidence to engage in that environment
Her view of "inciting violence" is akin to criticizing a murder victim for inciting violence by refusing to be robbed, and was shot as a result.
You fanatical right-wingers (are there any other?) are always the victim. Always. Does it ever occur to you that you're being controlled by your emotional weakness? Of course not. Otherwise you wouldn't be a Fascist maniac.
Ben Shapiro only incites self defense. The left considers violence and lying as valid methods for achieving their goals.
She doesn't realize that it's literally impossible to disagree with transgenderism without being called transphobic.
she sounded so stupid and made no point whatsoever.
they want to change their gender do think they will use the actual definition of words?
@@p00lboy lmfao