As a Christian, I become very concerned at the idea of a "christian prince." I become concerned because, as a Christian, it is my belief that Jesus was the only man to live without sin, and any "christian prince" we give total power over our lives will be, by my Christian beliefs, a sinner deserving of Hell, and redeemable only through the blood of Christ. There is no perfect world until the coming of the Kingdom. Until then we live in a fallen Creation, and need to remember that.
Where does scripture forbid a devout Christian from becoming a public official? I guess you prefer a non Christian prince instead? An ungodly unsaved individual is more preferred? The American political scheme ruled out a national church and a meticulous adherence to the laws of the Mosaic covenant. Our laws were based on the decalogue except the sabbath, which was perceived to be a peculiar interest to individual Christian denominations and individuals. Yet many Christians assumed office in government, and the nation was better for it. The line was drawn with respect to particular and peculiar doctrines relevant to Christian theology such as the Trinity and deity of Jesus, etc. No one could impose the whole of a Christian system of doctrine upon the people by law. See the debates between Massachusetts Puritan John Cotton and Baptist Roger Williams, and you will see where and why America established th4 first amendment. Our national spirit and political system clearly reflects and sprang from a Christian impetus, not a secular humanist impetus without favoring one denomination over another. If we eliminate slavery from our national founding, we would have been the ideal society perfectly conducive to the preaching of the gospel, the doctrine of Christ, and a God-fearing society. Take all that away, and we have a godless morally relative hedonistic antichristian totalitarian state. If we consign Christian nationalism to what it was in the 18th and 19th centuries, then we are in the best place any society of sinful fallen humans can be. Christian nationalism is not inconsistent with the spirit of 1776. Theocracy and reconstructionism are different matters. Your concern is more warranted in this kind of society context than mere Christian nationalism.. Do we execute unrepentant adulterers? Homosexuals as a matter of law? Perceived heretics? This is where things get murkey and muddled. A God-fearing nation where there is a Christian consensus morally would and criminalize infanticide (abortion) never recognize and codify into law Homosexual unions or relationships, impose the capitol punishment for convicted murderer which would include abortion physicians, withdraw the present welfare state and require those receiving assistance to be used in some productive work in the interest of societies good, require theives to repay the people they defrauded or stole from. Abolish many useless godless government agencies like the Department of Education and the entire government school system. End the IRS and the income tax by returning to our original tax revenue system and many other good reforms of this wicked socialist godless leviathan we live under. Working out the particulars is where a fair and equitable system can be achieved. And we are better off if Christian officers and legislators who truly answer to we the people are in those positions as it once was. What straight thinking level-headed Christian would not agree with that? Do we follow the law of God, however modified to suit a pluralistic society or the law of unsaved unregenerate carnal men? Again, Christian nationalism has its legal limits, but to think that this is not a good situation and far more beneficial and desirous than its opposite, humanistic is not thinking through the issue correctly. God's laws are always good and just. We can integrate the moral law of God, Christian liberty, and compassion very smoothly and coherently. Personally, I do not believe that America will be delivered from its present state of darkness and evil by the new antichristian world we live in. God is giving us over to utter reprobation, and unless we see another great awakening, Christians can expect to be treated with hatred and contempt and lawfare just as Jesus said. You shall be hated by all. Satan and his minions are closing in on us more and more every day. In the meantime, we preach and witness for Christ and stand for righteousness in government and politics. Let God have his way and let His will be done!
I’m a Christian, who was also actively involved in local and State politics for only 5 years, and even me…..a male in his 50’s who dropped out of high school, but kept learning by reading after my youth, can see that the whole reaction to “Christian Nationalism” is a trap. The further the political left goes, the further the political right ( which consists of many evangelical Christians ) seems to go. Both are priming the pump for a future dictatorship. At least in my opinion. Christians should want to continue to want the United States Constitution to remain exactly how it is. We should appreciate the religious liberty in which we still have. We should want a society in which we can continue to discuss our faith with others, present our arguments and evidence, and hope that they will heed Christ’s call, and become believers. We shouldn’t want this to ever be done by the force of government. We know that “government” is made up of people. If we want more people within our government to exact justice with Christian principles, then we need to get busy in living out our faith, knowing what exactly biblical hermeneutics means, actually studying our own theology and worldview, learn how to defend our faith, witnessing to others ( like actual long term conversations over a span of time ) and letting them heed the call of Christ, or reject Him. Also, Christians ( like real Christians….not nominal ones who can’t competently explain their own theology ) should not shy away from being politically involved in their city, county, state, or at the federal level, like they have in the past decades. If you don’t get involved, then don’t expect anything to change. The more Christians will do this, the better the probability of more people becoming believers, hence, more people getting involved in politics with a Christian worldview, and then the better our government would be. James ( an atheist ) tells Christians at the end of the podcast, basically, what I just typed. We Christians, need to get our own house in order ( take the speck out of our own eye ) so…we can in turn…take the speck out of our brothers eye. If we will do this….wokism can be defeated and will eventually die out…..at least….within the church, and also…hopefully…..bleed out into the unbelieving society at large.
I think its because the Christian heritage is not respected. The secularist is eventually going to lose support because they define religious liberty, the constitution, and secularity as non Christian ...which is a mistake since Christian will gravitate towards what is Christian.. It requires unique vision to properly understand America as a Christian nation, which pressupposes the federal republican form
FANTASTIC you are 100% correct!!! Please keep up your work. America has a real constitution ( I am not in America or an American) . America has if not perfect actually the best ( nothing is perfect) constitution and . longest lasting in history ( think France now on their 5th model, Britian does not have a written one , Germany -- ha ha , Italy ha ha , and so on) ... The American constitution is based in Judeo - Christian Values - Abrahamic Law... one can say the same about the UDHR 1948 , but all laws that are made by man are limited to mans intrinsic flaws - so on with the struggle - Keep up the good work .... The key to our own understanding of THE LAW ( Gods Law) will as noted come from the Jewish People and Faith - the roots of Christian values, Christians are at the end of the day ... a Jewish Sect ... All the best my friend
Yeah, but Trump! He's the Christian solider who can make it happen! LOL. This is all so ridiculous and it's all happening because of two sides over reacting to a reality tv show guy who likes porno babes and gold toilets.
I practice a form of ancient christianity what christianity was like before it became political. Mainstream christianity has always been political ever since Council of Nicea and Constantine. This is the crux of the problem--christianity has been a politically driven faith ever since gnostics were persecuted and our books banned. Christian Nationalism is just an outgrowth of what christianity has always been since the Council of Nicea and Constantine. The pursuits of the material world (politics) are the antithesis of Jesus and The One. Defending my faith is basically unnecessary since my faith is not a participant in the material world which is a flawed place. The divine is within you not something you "defend" it just is. Defense is only needed in the battles of the material world.
So lemme get this straight.....there is a guy named "Wolfe", who worked for the state department, who is encouraging Christians to take up arms and "take the country back".....That guy fucking glows like Chernobyl.
@@dean_l33 Except for those on the Left which can seemingly encourage riots, looting and threaten all manners of revolts all day long without ever getting such accusations or facing any consequences for it. Funny how that goes, doesn't it?
@@dadsonworldwide3238 If you take a look at the theocracy in Iran, it would be difficult to say it was good for Islam. When political power is linked to (perceived) piety, there becomes a competition to out-pious one's political rivals. The result is ever-increasing radicalism. There is no way that can be good for the religious institutions which hold power.
Yeah Iran's 12 is an extremist tribalist belief and not all beliefs are equal or ethically sound for all fields of study or ways of life. No different with paganism reformed by humanism . Or nazism centered darwinism German socialism from marx. Or dr fauci and his colleagues one size fits all mrna evolutionary mythological holy grail that devastated haplo groups thats all not all one long time scale. 100s now we have been blaming mad scientist or human error? Yes bad people do bad things and not all beliefs are equal or sustainable
@@velocitor3792 that idea your remembering is over its never returning no matter how all this ends. The enemies are not going to allow it. And the death and despair that could potentially come in our future will never allow is to be do kind and trusting again
I would be extremely afraid of Christian Nationalism in any flavor. Christians already have to be on their toes because the ministry is an extremely attractive profession for psychopaths to enter. I say this as the daughter of a Protestant minister who definitely was NOT a psychopath but we heard the stories and witnessed the ruin when these wolves in sheep’s clothing took charge of a church. My dad preached for 52 years and I can tell you the pain those charlatans cause is indescribable. More than once, dad was hired by congregations to help put its pieces back together after a psychopath shredded it. Politics also attracts the psychopaths in record numbers. Heaven help us if we combine the two….
Yup, exactly. Remember the words of Kierkegaard, too, "A society where everyone is Christian, no one is Christian". Do people want to live in a society where their religion is just cheap bric-a-brac for imperialistic or bourgeois values?
There are more people that might teach you about what is going on. The problem is finding one that suits you specifically. Even better is training your consciousness yourself when you have the time and energy. It can all be seen with your own eyes, if you are willing to lose to collar of your masters that is. ;) Are you ready?
He stated straight up in the video that he considered this video a waste of time and that he was not going to be reading the comments. Yet you post a comment directly to him. I don't get it.
@@patrickbarnes9874 I don't get your need to point that out to a stranger who felt like expresing a feeling in a RUclips comment either. We're all different and that's ok.
Unfortunately, most people are not sophisticated enough to see the forest for the trees like James does. They go after the glitz and glitter of ideas that can be simply stated.
You crack me up! I am a normal Christian. Yes, this guy is nuts. He might be talking about Jesus? Or is he talking about the Antichrist? I don't know. You are my favorite atheist!😅
James, thank you for looking out for Christians and describing biblical stories with such respect. You are making a pretty good run at sainthood for someone non-religious 😊
I love it so much. James is actively waking up the right to stop participating in the lefts dialectic. I wish this would be picked up by tucker carlson and the daily wire to mainstream it as well
If either Wolfe actually studied the Bible, they would have taken note of 1 Samuel 8:10-18. I understand you, Mr. Lindsay, are an atheist. However, you are correct as usual. The idea that a base man is worthy of dispensing the Creator's justice is ludicrous. I am a Christian, not a fool. Thank you for all your presentations. Your tracing of the socialist push and its history has been quite enlightening.
If man cannot dispense God's justice, what does St. Paul (writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit) mean when he calls the magistrate God's minister ("deacon")? Whose justice is it, if God says the magistrate is acting on God's behalf (even when he fails to acknowledge the Lordship of Christ)?
I figured out how to subvert that using their own tactics. "If I was an alien who's species doesn't understand love, how would you explain it?" Or "What is love?" watch them fail.
One must define "church" and "state." The early colonies and states required a minimalist Christian affirmation of faith to hold office - but they also excluded *clergy* from holding office. They saw the sphere of government and church as separate (do you want your clergy making laws, and your lawmakers running your church?), but both spheres were seen as needing to be under the Lordship of Christ; "under God." Freedom of religion was also guaranteed, so no forcible conversions or mandatory church atendance and the like - freedom of conscience was preserved not as its own inherent good but as a logical necessity for people to be able to genuinely convert to Christianity or choose otherwise. This gracious ecumenical Christendom preserved both morality and liberty. Otherwise, how do you define what is evil and should be punished, and what is good and should be granted liberty? Without a transcendent source of both morality and rights being acknowledged, it all becomes subjective and falls apart.... as our late modern society shows.
As a gnostic christian I can tell you that these Christian Nationals DO NOT accept my faith as a christian. Their scope of acceptance is very narrow. This idea that morality proceeds from the political christianity that came with the Council of Nicea and Constantine is questionable indeed. Whenever I hear mainstream christians start harping on but but but where do you get your morality I cringe. I cringe because I start thinking about the thousands and thousands of child abuse cases in these mainstream christian faiths and wonder where that morality came from.
@@JonathanSaxon That's right because since the beginning we threaten the political authority and the authoritarianism of the church. If Jesus is with us, who can be against us and if the kingdom is within us, why do we need you to tell us what to do? I'll let the entirety Jesus be my authority not the church or the pastors of said churches.
@@JonathanSaxon How arrogant of you to think that you speak for Jesus in regards to my personal relationship to the Entirety or to the Christ. Typical of mainstream christians though so color me not surprised, just bored. Yawn. Pull that beam out of your own eye, before attempting to remove specks of dust from mine.
The ads that pop up on your videos are hilariously juxtaposed. I'm glad you tackled this subject. A lot of ppl need such sobered perspective of things they tend to blindly align with because of a few "friendly" buzzwords...
To Mr Lindsey's Everlasting credit, i did not know until this very video that he was not religious. Thank you for not using your non-theism as a virtue-signal litmus test, as so many devotees of Marx do. I'm also non theistic, but you provide a role model for walking the fine line of not offending hundreds of millions, but even better yet, not undermining the valid parts of their morality. He is Risen.
@@lloydgush so non-religious but fully believe in Christ? that's the safest position to be in... for now. Christ gave me his 'morning star' in 2021 and i've been publishing the studies since then - which makes up the 'hidden manna'. He helped me crack the code hidden in Rev6: 6 which is an arrow pointed at the "house of God". Keep an eye out for it.
I love all I've heard so far. Jesus most definitely is grieved by the conduct of some Churches, not representing Him properly. We need to take the plank out of our eye to help our brother with the speck in his!
@setsen Interesting point. The original use of the word "Christian" was as an insult for followers of Jesus after the Cross. Today, it's a word that's been so watered down most don't know what it means.
where do ethics come from? darwinists believe humans are animals and thus can and will be treated as such. unfortunately... people refuse to follow the constitution. we had a good thing going until people destroyed it
don't worry James, this is a result of God working amongst people in a revival sense and the population will want this, nobody will be forced to do anything.. you won't be forced to worship, the problem today is that there are too many non-believers in the churches anyhow. By This Standard by Bahnsen is a better read about this.
The only people I've heard talk about "Christian nationalism" is accepting and codifying Christian morals and broad teachings at the local level. At a local level that sounds fine and it was supported by the framers. But codifying doctrinal differences, especially at the federal level, is a nightmare. Not sure which goobers other than these two Wolfs are suggesting that. Sounds like a CIA strawman argument.
It really does sound like it comes from a glowie. Codifying morality in any given case is one thing and worth discussing, but codifying doctrinal distinctive is indeed nightmarish and a blatant violation of the first amendment. It's literally what this country was created to get away from.
42: 27 This reminds me of The Old joke, Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, “Don’t do it!” He said, “Nobody loves me.” I said, “God loves you. Do you believe in God?” He said, “Yes.” I said, “Are you a Christian or a Jew?” He said, “A Christian.” I said, “Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?” He said, “Protestant.” I said, “Me, too! What franchise?” He said, “Baptist.” I said, “Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?” He said, “Northern Baptist.” I said, “Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?” He said, “Northern Conservative Baptist.” I said, “Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?” He said, “Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region.” I said, “Me, too!” Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?” He said, “Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912.” I said, “Die, heretic!” And I pushed him over.
Thank you for this video. I’ve been a Christian since I was 9 and I wouldn’t want to live in a tyrannical theocracy, and the feeling I get is that’s exactly what the Wolfe’s want… the irony of my screen name is obvious to me as I type this. And the Christian Prince… that stinks of setting up an Antichrist in our government. True believing Christians need to live our faith as an example to others so that any who feel called by it can come, we aren’t supposed to force it on anyone. As humans what we choose to believe is as fundamental a freedom as freedom of speech and thought. Even if what you believe is to not believe, it’s your right, in my opinion sacred right, to believe that. Seeing this kind of rhetoric coming from people in my country, which is supposed to champion religious liberty, is very concerning. It worries me that it would drag us back to the dark times of the inquisition and make any tyranny the left could do look amateurish. Again thank you for this video, thank you for your work, and for what it’s worth to you Bless you.
Exactly what I thought. It's the Antichrist system. Depart neither from the right hand or to the left, it says. Cause going too far in either direction will take you to hell, philosophically, literally and nationally.
Authentic sincere Christianity (New Covenant, not the Old) does not call for Nationalism. Those people who are trying to make a case for Christian nationalism lack biblical literacy and don't understand the big picture of the great commission, our main concern is supposed to be souls not government. On an additional note, if Christians have a proper understanding of what is prophesied in the book of Revelation, they understand that this world is only going to get worse as it is written and that trying to prolong that with an idealistic christian nation is futile and foolish and like you said a waste of time and resources.
How James Lindsay left the right. Jokes aside this is actually the lens that the left views the entire right in. It's a bubble both ways though as the right are oblivious to why the left are left at all so this video is definitely not a waste of time.
If government forbids what God demands or God forbids what government demands then Christians have the mandate to disobey government. We accept the punishment for disobedience. We are not to participate in violence.
Certainly not offensive, proactive violence, anyway. The pacifist view of Jesus is appealing, but I still find very little grounds against the validity of self-defense and using necessary force to defend others.
Self defense is sanctioned in the Bible in Genesis Chapter 4, all throughout the Law, and in the New Testament by Jesus Christ. Totally agree with you besides that caveat.
Christian here. Nowhere does Christ say to turn away wisdom or wise people. Nowhere does Christ say we should only listen to other Christians. Nowhere does Christ say that everyone will come to accept Christ in their lifetime. In fact, there are many stories about people in the Bible learning and thriving under other people of other religions, that we are to be the best version of ourselves in service to those people, and that sometimes the Word falls on deaf ears and people will not hear. Some will hear, but they will not be able to turn away from the life they have. This is not some hidden code within the Bible, it is easily found. Really get frustrated with people like Wolfe(s).
Rebuke evil, but remember to be Christ-like. Sounds cliche and over-simplified, but still requires incredible discipline. Rebuking evil is mitigating suffering, where you are able. It’s also being a vanguard. Yet, mind Christ’s teaching about throwing stones, and the commandment about false witness.
*WARNING:* when listening to this, don't get confused about which Wolf is which. Bottom line, one is smarter than the other, but they're both goofballs.
I'd rather avoid Dictatorships. The left is just simply more insane. Can't we go back to America before leftist subversion that saw itself as a Christian nation that hold the Constitution in high regard? The left wants to rewrite the Constitution. The Right wants to follow the Constitution.
And democracy is impossible. Unironically. It doesn't fuckin work. It's always fake. There's always an actual deep-state of life-term beurocrats running shit because democracy is impossible and fake.
Where James mentions people saying "join, or else"; that isn't Biblical Christianity. If it is helpful, I think this passage expresses the proper Biblical sentiment of how Jesus's ecclesia gathers and accumulates: John 1:"37 And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus. 38 Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou? 39 He saith unto them, Come and see."
So before listening, now that we have protestantism I do believe that there is not a sufficient check on Christian theocracies as there was prior to Luther's apostasy. So, any marriage between Christianity and Government should be off the table. However, I do agree with John Adams that the Republic was created for and can only work when there is a largely religious and moral people. This is true because one of the biggest limiting factors on big government is a citizenry that has properly regulated their activities and desires. Now let me give the podcast a listen.
Would you expand on that first statement? How do the Protestant denominations not provide a "sufficient check on Christian theocracies prior to Luther's apostasy"?
@@talinthon760 can one Catholic Church with all nations leaders in it's sphere adhering to it better regulate all nations v thousands of different sects, a trend that started with Luther.
Christianity is established in its principles....the religiousheritageand consciousness is foundational to the Republic ..I would say what the founders say about true Christian religion? Finding a republican form of the religion makes it compatible with the American republic.
@@TheMorning_Son I read once but can't find the source rn that they thought there should be a "religion" that 1. Believes in a higher power 2. Believes that the soul is immortal and will be judged on life's actions 3. Promotes the cardinal virtues.
32:25 (thereabouts)-- James, you hit an important point. I'm a Christian but not a protestant (I am not protesting Catholicism like Martin Luther). Outside looking in, the modern reformed movement-- especially the Calvinist strain of it-- is so high-strung on pontificating that Calvinism has become very nearly it's own super structure that rivals Catholicism. Super structure faiths tend to exist for their own sake and read into the Bible what they are convinced it says with little exegetical assessment. I had a friend of mine show me over the course of about 16 months the some of the errors with the super structure faith of Calvinism, which was ultimately where I've since developed a skepticism of modern reformed interpretations. Neither reformed tradition nor Calvinism are found in the Bible.
You seem to use the term "super structure" as a description of systematic theology. Calvinists have that, and papists have that; but does this similarity mean that they are the same kind of power structure ("super structure") that needs to be resisted? A Christian who objects to the systemization of his theology will have nothing but shaky ground to stand on. (I am not Reformed, and I won't defend Calvinism, except to say that it is nothing like Roman Catholicism.)
Can I recommend that you add some charts to make the people and how they are linked , timelines , linking of ideas. It would help more people to follow
It’s fundamentally un American. It’s also unchristian because you aren’t supposed to coerce people into these beliefs if you are following the word as it is written.
I love “Christ’s teaching and message” but this one nailed what any self respecting Christian should be paying attention to. “Wise as the serpents and as innocent as doves”. Thanks for The food for thought man
@@Logos-NomosHe is. But until HE establishes His kingdom we are to simply make disciples of all nations and that’s about it. God never commanded us to take over a country… Christian nationalists are heretics, their ideology is blasphemous
Thank you for doing this great service to Christians and to the greater freedom movement. Our paths are full of traps. We can't afford to be naively co-opted into our own version of totalitarian tribalism! You're right, there is *serious* jeopardy politically and spiritually to those who go down that path. I respect your theology. ;) Jesus said his kingdom was "not of this world," but is "within us.". He said the wheat and tares would grow side by side until Christ returns and sorts it all out--not by establishing a literal earthly kingdom, but by judging the living and the dead. I know this will annoy some, but there is no "rapture" (get out of jail free card), and there is no Christian theocratic government that will somehow deliver us from the need to forbear others and engage in the marketplace of ideas. This life is a test, day in and day out, of whether we submit to Christ--not as a means of coercing others, but primarily in order to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling, being transformed into the character of Christ. Refuse to grasp for the Ring. Jesus steadfastly refused it (desert temptation, the cross, etc.). Bravo, James. 👏❤
I upvoted you. But I will add here that political christianity has been the state of christianity ever since the Council of Nicea and Constantine. Christian nationalism is just another head on the hydra of corrupted political christianity.
@@wattlebough Did you know you are listening to a fool? That's what the Bible calls him. Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt; their acts are vile. There is no one who does good. 2 The LORD looks down from heaven upon the sons of men to see if any understand, if any seek God.… Lindsay says openly he is an Atheist. Atheists don't believe there is a God. He who is not for Me is against Me. I wonder who said that?
@@2drsdan I said amen to Rebecca’s comment. Regardless of the content of this video she is correct. I have not listened to this video myself as yet and may not make the time for a while. I’m resting my mind today as it needs to rest.
Christians have as much right to engage in the political process and to suggest structures of social organisation as anyone else, James. Saying that we should capitalute because Communists will demonise us is just stupid.
This was a sad lecture. Only an atheist is 8th grade, cool enough to tell Christians to behave like RINOs - never win enough to make a difference or else you'll make a difference as Christians
Religion by Christ is different than religion by man. Christ wants you to freely accept him therefore he gave us free will. Religion by man is forced upon the people. In the Bible the main villains, especially in the New Testament, are the religious leaders. Protestants used to believe that papal Rome was the Beast in revelation that received the deadly wound(Protestantism) but whose wound would heal, bringing about the great tribulation. Right now that wound is healing and Protestants will merge back into the mother Church of Rome which will lead to the union of church and state. Whether you are religious or not, the union of church and state is a terrible thing like James Lindsay says. People think it’s left vs right but in reality both arms belong to the same evil and the true narrow path is through humility, accountability, repentance, forgiveness, and faith in Jesus.
The usual answers, James, just to prepare you in case some Theonomists fall into this is that each US state was supposed to be for each particular "denomination." For instance, Utah was for a long time nearly entirely Mormon, the colonies were separated by denomination - i.e. Pilgrims and Puritans had their own state with Massachusetts, the non-purifying leaning Episcopalians had New York and some Southern states, the Catholics had Maryland originally, the Quakers had Rhode Island etc. I disagree with the notion but it is a point of fact to prep for in future debates. BTW, the 50,000 denominations thing is a bit of a myth - you can ask Michael O'Fallon about that. There's really more like a few dozen serious sizeable denominations (almost all conservative Christians say there's no denominations anyway unless they're conservative Anglican, as most will say there's only one visible Church - for instance, I say the only "denomination" is Orthodoxy; however, I do recognize its discursive and academic value obviously). The term "denomination" arose from Anglican theology, which attempted to unify the so-called "high church" Anglicans who held to Rome's Liturgy, iconography/statuary, prepared prayer system and so forth, with the so called "low church" Anglicans who leaned more toward Luther and Calvin's reforms and did away largely with the "smells and bells" part of the faith, the main difference being, in my opinion, over the question of the Real Presence and soteriology. As Anglicanism strived to keep all of these differing believers together under literally one church roof, governed by the King or Queen instead of by the Pope, and with the principal thinking of St. Augustine of "unity in essentials" as the guiding light of this kind of thinking, denominationalism emerged as an explanatory map showing how and where churches of different governance, intercommunion and core beliefs arose, via differences over the non-essentials of the Christian Faith. If one is not as sharp on what the essentials are - say, by belief in the Apostle's Creed as the governing standard, or more academically via some general belief in the value of God, Jesus Christ, the Bible and Christianity in any sense - then belief in the multiplicity of claimants on the Christian Faith makes sense. This is a diversion, but an important one, as denominationalism is accepted by "Christian Nationalists." This is a notion called "ecumenism," fraternizing with heretics in issues and practices of the Faith that involve affirming heretics via joining in confessional prayer or engaging in practices equivalent to such prayer (such as, say, bonding over the thought of a top-down theonomic Christian rule). Such "ecumenism" is so pungent to conservative denominations that such interdenominational cooperation and theological compromise as is required for the "workability" of the theonomic task at hand would be entirely rejected before such cooperation is even conceived. It is why theonomy stayed firmly within PCA/OPC Calvinist circles. Christian Nationalism, which apes it in many senses and claims the ecumenically-adverse conservative faiths as its adherents, is for this very reason an obvious fake government psy-op or at the very best a flash in the pan desperation heave by people (including Calvinists) who do not believe in the continuance of Divine miracles in sweeping conversion and revival of the Faith and who therefore see the writing on the wall, no pun intended, for their ideas as faith in general rapidly evaporates in the growing heat of the LGBT movement. The 50k number for came from a book of religious study which counted congregational-governed churches in Protestantism (like Independent Baptists of the Steven Anderson/Fred Phelps ilk) as each being their own denomination, and the number became a statistic eventually weaponized by Roman Catholics and us Orthodox in debates with Protesants.
Orthodox wants monarchy, which james is against as well as many Christians. in america it has a republican form of Christian religion...no need for Godless secularism or a "denomintaional" church.. The secularist distorts the founders as having no religion or even saying the federal government is not founded upon the Christian religion...which is not true ..white nationalism or racism practically has no meaning..Christian nationalism shouldn't be grounded in nationalism but the religious ethos of the country.
Where would such a governmental system leave Jews? And which day would they designate the official Sabbath? Didn't Germany try something similar about a century ago? What if the prince turns out to be a tyrant? What if certain people or groups become a "problem" in need of a final solution?
As someone who has enjoyed the thought experiment of a Christian nationalist nation. I’m happy to listen to this effort to debunk it as a terrible idea from one of the most honest and credible intellectuals of whom I know.
Great analysis, seems like these Christian Nationalists misunderstand our history and Christ's Great Commission. At the birth of this nation Christian/enlightenment ethics and worldview was assumed and our nation grew from that. Christ's call is from the ground up, persuading each individual of the truth claims of Christ, then affecting the whole one person at a time. Not taking over government and forcing confessions from the force of law.
this nation was founded as a SECULAR democratic nation. If we were founded on oppressive and immoral "Judeo-Christian values" we would not be a democratic nation and we would not enjoy any of the liberties we do today. It is only because America IS and WAS founded as a secular nation that our government structure is able to work. If the US was founded as a "Christian" nation, we would be an authoritarian theocracy no different from Iran or any of the other Islamic theocracies of the middle east. It is only because the government established by the founders was explicitly non-religious that freedom was able to reign. Thomas Jefferson, the author of the declaration of independence, was an atheist, research "The Jefferson Bible". James Madison, the primary author of the constitution, was a deist who rejected organized religions like Christianity. All of the founders recognized the inherent evil and oppression of religion, which is why they kept it out of government. Also, the Enlightenment was an explicitly secular, rational, and atheistic movement by the most intelligent thinkers of the time who explicitly rejected the ideas of religion and the totalitarianism built into all of them, and embraced skepticism, science, and logic and reason, all ideas completely antithetical to Christianity.
I've got a dollar that says most suburban Church attendees haven't run across the words "The Great Commission". Show up on Sunday, never be uncomfortable, make cash, watch TV, show up on Sunday. There's more issues in that cycle that could be fixed before trying to impose Christian Nationalism with a Christian Prince or whatever was going on there. Sounds bad man.
One of the main problems is that the vast majority of the people don’t know what a government which is republican in form actually means nor the limits of its jurisdiction. Another huge problem is that the people don’t know or understand that the body politic is in fact by inherent right and law a voluntary association, just like The Body of CHRIST.
Bravo of his blasphemy, cursing and straw man arguments about the Christian founding fathers of America like the Puritans and Presbyterians? I think not!
@@Logos-Nomos if you choose to value beautiful speech and lip service to dead men over a legitimate admonition against a genuine heresy that is poised to make criminals of every Bible believer in the U.S., you are, of course, entitled to your preference. (For the time being, anyway.)
@@carnivorehippie8071 What beautiful speech are you speaking about? The only thing I care about is declaring Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords and obeying the Great Commission. And you?
@@Logos-Nomos I refer to your objection to his profanity. Would you approve of the content of his message if he forebore to swear? Or if he eliminated the statements you object to regarding the founding fathers? The message would be the same. The warning would still be apt. If what you care about is Christ being proclaimed why are you listening to him at all? He's never made a secret of the fact he's no believer. He has NEVER ONCE preached the gospel nor claimed to. Perhaps it's time to shake the dust off your sandals, my friend.
@@carnivorehippie8071 My objection is that he is completely ignorant of the faith that the founding fathers like the Puritans and Presbyterian Pilgrims is exactly the faith that he finds so reprehensible and yet, it is very American. America was founded as a covenanted, Christian nation. Everything he objected to is laid out clearly in the 1647 Westminster Confession of Faith.
HEY JAMES, how does it make you feel to know that LONG AFTER YOU ARE DEAD AND GONE, Hegel will still be remembered, influential, and revered, and his philosophy will still be guiding a large portion of humanity?
@@RyanLongArt He is arguing against preconceived (and incorrect) notions about the positions of its author. This could be remedied in part merely by applying the same careful interaction with the source material here that he does with Marxism. I maintain no illusions that he would agree with Wolfe's actual positions either, but these unserious potshots are not helping his case.
If anyone is doing any forced conversions, please let me know so I can stop them. You commit a greater sin by forcing a person to convert than allowing them to live their lives. They chose to reject God. Make your arguments and pray to the Holy Spirit and trust God. You do not, should not, and shall not convert people forcibly.
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As an atheist, I am glad to see James stay straight on this. It would be easy to become captured by the Christian right as they became allies, but he has stayed rational. Well done.
Not all Christians are like this, I think America needs Christian conservatives to be a part of the opposition to this marxist takeover, but discernment is important, and anyone who advocates removal of fundamental civil liberties, regardless of their justification, has zero credibility.
Not a waste of time at all. Thanks for the heads up, I thought I was paranoid about some people but now I know there are some hiding their power level. Your staunch liberalism does not fall into deaf ears.
So I've been listening to you for quite a while, and I somehow erroneously assumed that you had Christian presuppositions based on the assumption that you making all of your fantastic lectures. Sounds like you are borrowing capital from us, while signing off the branch you were sitting on. CS Lewis was right. Christian thought is necessary for rationality. But Christian belief it's harder to come by. You may think the garden Eden is weird, but you, my dear brother will face death like the rest of us. And you will face judgment. And all your good works, and good deeds will come to not if you haven't received grace atoning sacrifice for your sins. I pray you wake up and see this. Love you, brother!
Normally I would say that Christian nationalism is only problematic inside churches where it places Christians opposite of each other, as happens with many cultural and societal issues. However, i'm not from the US so it's hard to judge what the impact of this strange phenomenon and un-Christian ideology really is.
First I agree with not taking on terms that are weaponized against us. I disagree that you don't have a 'religion', as we use the word colloquially. You do, and it's similar to Christianity, even an unacknowledged denomination of Protestantism. Believing in basic human rights for all, as a "sacred science", qualifies. Listen to yourself in this video, "I'm an atheist, how dare anyone violate my basic human rights, or anyone else's!"
25:59 - Fascism is not remotely ‘right wing’, it is a sect/ denomination of Marxism. It is Right of Communism & Nazism, but still a left wing political ideology, similar to perhaps Socialist Democrats, or similar’ish to Bernie Sanders views prior to 2016.
I’m sorry James, I think you’re pretty great and I have learned a lot from you. But your perspective on this issue is both short-sighted and naïve. If you don’t think that ALL conservative, Bible-believing Evangelical Christians who hold to the Lordship of Christ over all (including all nations), will eventually just be lumped in with the so-called Christian nationalists by extension and out of convenience by the regime (they will first be called sympathizers, then accused of being outright Christian nationalists), then I don’t know how to help you. Christians have been called all kinds of things since the first century. They’ve been called terrorists, rabble-rousers, enemies of the state, cannibals, the list goes on and on. Your mistake as far as Christians are concerned is to think that Christians fear labels. The only label Christians care about is the label given to them by God as citizens of his Kingdom. Christians follow a man who was labeled a blasphemer, was accused of sedition, and as a political leader who was trying to spark an uprising against the Roman government and was murdered by the government for it. It doesn’t matter how Christians try to posture or distance themselves from far right Christian political movements. If this leftward drift toward socialist totalitarianism continues, it will go the way these things always go. “If you’re not for us, then you’re against us and you must be re-educated or eradicated.
47:00 James, this is not Christianity, not even close to the Orthodox/Catholic concept of symphonia, because Protestants do not have iconography to connect Christ with a King, Prince, elected President, Judge, Congressman, boss at your job, etc. I won't get into that any further, except that your person you are looking for in Wolf the Greater's ideal "Prince" is that hated figure of us Irishmen and first modern example of top-down forced government toppling in favor of a new woke religious order, Oliver Cromwell.
Ah! That Cromwell is their model would make sense, especially with theonomy having come from Calvinists like rushdoony in the first place. I was thrown off by the word "prince" and as Cromwell was clearly never a literal prince I failed to see what you saw.
@@vulkanofnocturne that's not the claim. It absolutely has. The Roman Empire (in its entirety until the fall of the West, then the East for another several centuries), pre-Bolshevik Russia, the Christian Anglo-Saxons, and a number of others.
@@jaykong1128 as an un-initiated plebean, The Prince triggered a good amount of Nietzschean resentment and idealogic ire. Likewise much gratitude for my modernity as well as joy not to be imprisoned by oligarchical obligation to justify the twisting of entire communities into mere means to an end. You?
@@SlickDissident the good of encouraging certain people into weakness and forced disarmament. Machiavelli recommends that it is necessary when in the situation of taking power, that everyone besides all of those who supported your seizure, to perform a mass disarmament of the common people to enshrine the exclusive power of the rulers new state with his organized, allegiant, and personal force of troops. Though dealing with both groups efficiently for the sake of stability is critical, Machiavelli advises that the seized and the supportive groups should be encouraged at every available opportunity to take on more vulnerable and pathetic characteristics encouraging them to become more “weak and effeminate. You should arrange things so that all the weapons in your new state are in the hands of those of your own troops who were closely associated with you in your old territories.”(64). When those under rule are encouraged and loved for behaving more submissively in weak and effeminate ways they are incentivized to be much more easily managed with fear, love, and distractions. This observation in particular hits way too close to home for me as citizen of America.
As a Muslim I definitely believe belief in God is important. It’s not really a personal thing. It’s not about you, personally. It’s about the fact that someone who believes in God has a set of principles that they generally try to abide by. Whereas an atheist’s set of values can be set to change depending on the circumstances. I do think that religious nationalism can be dangerous, but I think it’s because the ones I’m familiar with generally don’t have an authority and therefore the Scriptures are self interpreted and sometimes a violent kind will interpret a more violent scripture.
Thanks for discussing this topic! This movement does resonate with me personally, though I don't agree with it's solutions it FEELS really great to hear. Maybe my take can help? I believe it's popular among young Christian men mainly because, like many of my fellow "white male Christian" demographic, we have been abused by the Marxist infiltration into our society probably the most and for decades we've been told by pious/cowardly members of "our side" in high places that it's really our fault they're so mad and you should be more compassionate. "Turn the other cheek", "give them your cloak", "Vengence is mine sayeth the Lord" and this is used to softly endorse joining the progressive point of view and denounce the "stupid conservative fundamentalists". I sincerely believe the Bible is true and I am committed to following Christian doctrine as my primary ethics above my cultural norms and so I am by definition a fundamentalist. So that makes me the bad guy in every movie, I supposedly "hate free thought/women/gays/etc.", and this gives the culture at large cart blanche to insinuate that we're closeted Nazis. It's tempting to flip the script and say "No, you don't get to lie about me anymore!" and use force in the same way to silence them. A lot of fundamentalist Christian's isolate themselves from other cultures to avoid mixing with secular culture so they're answers for why are degenerates yelling at us is simple "they're not Christian, so of course they don't make sense." And prefer simple solutions - such as to beak off and make our own place with our own rules to get away from them since we can't pick the violent pushback option. OR take the assertive "stand our ground" option and seize the levers of control and push them out the same way they're trying to push us. Personally I prefer to understand my enemy better and "fight back" in a way that's effective, but doesn't violate my principles of love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind and love your neighbor as yourself. Like many Christian missionaries that ventured into hostile countries, they end up subverting other countries culture in much the same way the Marxists did to ours. I recognize the techniques they use because I work with missionaries myself. Targeting education, women and children, families, and the outcasts, not to destroy them but to build them up and try to lead them to follow Christ. Don't know if it helps, but I thanks for reading. ^__^
Outstanding response. And what if I want my people and our cultures norms, curtsies and customs to be primarily informed and based on Christian ethics? Who says that if we meaningfully revision our nation as an explicit Christian Nation rather than the implicit one it has been historically, that it there for will be totalitarian or abusive and destructive towards its own ends. The human element of any political experiment runs that risk if you ask me.
@@jaykong1128 that is a good question because that is one of the major reasons why Christian still pursue the idea of the Christian nation. Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. He is the king of kings. And we want to live in his kingdom. I don't know that this goal can ever be achieved in a top-down fashion. Ultimately we must pursue creating a culture that flourishes and reinforces the norms we want within our own church communities. It may always have to be this way I'm not sure
If you want a theocracy…go build your own Colorado City. Most are unaware that different religions, across the US have their own religious enclaves with their own security, education, and local moral directives. Leave the “Nation” part to the Constitution.
@@basilbaby7678 Decentralization, pro. Separation of powers per mixed regime, pro. Minoritarian rights to block certain majority/popular motions, pro. However, its like Franklin said and so many others alluded to, freedom (political) is for the moral. We are no longer a people with a common morality or sense of right and wrong. If your greatest value is 'live and let live' then what does that have to say about our shared future as a people??
James, I have listened to much of your content. It is very good. However, you, as an atheist, are missing an understanding about Wolfe's spead of Christian faith as a center piece of this country by way of its culture. You suggest he has to impose it. If he imposes it, well, it is then not from God. It's our job to spread God's word. It's His will to do the work. Of course, the sin nature of man would attempt to impose it outside God's will. That, in turn, would make those Christians who use said imposition a detriment to the effort and make themselves a self-imposed target simultaneously soiling the name of Christians. They will likely also support cultural opposition and corresponding legislation against those that would dare dwell in the boundaries drawn by the Logos.
By definition he has to impose it. Otherwise it's just called preaching. You wouldn't need Theonomy or a Christian Prince. You really seem like you're being deceitful here.
@@PsychoSpartan7what would the motivation of my alleged deciept be. I am a Christian. That means I am repentant every day. Christian Nationalism is a term that will be abused and defined by those who aren't repentant. Imposed by a culture that has removed God from above the state in the hierarchy of order. They are imposing the will of their god. Most of them don't know they have one I suspect.
You should not have needed to make this one James. But here’s a harder one I need you to make: the argument against a national divorce or dissolving the federal government. Libertarian intellectuals have been thinking about these things for a long time and I’m telling you, I can’t find fault in many of their arguments; I’m just left with a nervous skeptical feeling about these ideas. Please I hope you see this.
Read Matthew Ehret's multi volumes "The Clash of Two Americas". Volume 1 is subtitled The Unfinished Symphony. As in the project set out by the consensus of the Founding Fathers. The books convincingly demonstrate the constitutional republic as intended has been under attack since day 1, so when we do review the sweep of U.S. political and geopolitical history, we're not reviewing the necessary consequences of the founding documents that framed a constitutional republic with governance by consent; but rather we find blaring evidence of constant intrigues to undermine that project. A project primarily sourced from the British imperial "deep state" / 5th column. If that is in fact the case, the solution a la Mises / Hayek / Rothbard etc to scrap the whole notion of a national state is completely non sensical to me.
Wow, this episode has taken a strange turn into my area of research. "Motte" is a moat, and can be pronounced that way. Motte-and-bailey archaeology dates to the Neolithic. All defenses suffer from the same basic problem of needing relief. They can only prevent a determined attacker from overcoming resistance for so long. Put another way, the occupants of the motte-and-bailey will rely on friends elsewhere to make sieges unsustainable. Likewise, Christian nationalism needs well-meaning Christians to defend its flanks. Thanks for a challenging and interesting digression. Liberal principles are worth defending, with or without walls.
31:22 This is where you need to think like a linguist and perennialist to semantically infer what eden represents (physically or otherwise) through the use of cognates from other languages. It was referenced as a garden (ganeh in hebrew) which is a cognate of jannah (paradise in arabic) which is a cognate of the word jnana (to know in sanskrit). Coincidentally Janah is also a name of one of the over worlds in vedic philosophy. Every belief which is not the belief directly dispensated by the Lord himself is an imperfect reflection of the story of our reality.
Great timing yet again. The United States was inspired by Christian teachings and men of faith, but it was not executed as a Capital C Christian nation (in the European tradition). Anyone attempting to "Europeanize" our religion in this country are _not_ friends. Christ wouldn't know them as his followers either.
>Literally becomes Sodom and Gamorrah 2.0 by tolerating sin and sinners for decades, and letting gnotism replace you as the national religion under the guise of secularism >OH YEAH GUYS WE ARE SO SUPERIOR Lmao, wild idea, but instead of trying to pretend the route that made you lose is the only good one, learn from the religions and cultures that haven't been subverted.
The US Gov must combat the radicals but first it must create them. Hegelian dialectic. Jesus teaches us to love our neighbors. Using the force of the government is not love and it is not a teaching of Christ. God gives us free will, to take that away from another is like saying you know better than God. Jesus was not a politician, neither a nationalist or a socialist. He taught the power of love to change the individual not the power of the government to force others to do, “the right thing”. “Treat others the way you want to be treated.” Jesus
FWIW James, I'd certainly term these ideas as heresy... well beyond the bounds of orthodoxy. I am a Baptist, I can get along with Calvinists generally but I'm quite sure these folks would put me up against a wall, sure as the Communists would.
If you are a Baptist then you are more than likely a Calvinist. I grew up in the Baptist church and the Once Saved, Always Saved false doctrine is 100% Calvinism. It is also a large part of why I left and became a Christian... Not trolling, just using accurate language.
I'm notably not a Calvinist. We're Baptist, not Southern Baptist. No "once and always" here, more "working out with much fear and trembling," to paraphrase James. I'm under the Texas Baptist Association, we ordain women, accept variance on soteriology, and haven't been subverted by Marxists. Yet anyway.
@@cconder19 I'm not sure I'd go so far as to identify the "once saved, always saved" belief as a heresy. People who identify it as such do so on the basis of the belief that they are antinomians, but if you actually listen to most people who espouse such a belief, they also promote pursuing growth in Christ and virtuous living. Personally, I'm of the belief that someone can walk away, but God being the perfect essence of love in his very nature is not content with just letting those who were either once or still are his go on their way without protest. Christ pursues every lost sheep until he inevitably brings them back into the fold, just like what happened with Mark as described in Paul's letters. Personally, so long as one does not veer into antinomian thinking that it doesn't matter what you do, good or bad, I'm content with saying I don't actually know whether "once saved" always saved" is true or not because it ultimately doesn't matter if we are tending to the things we need to tend to, and it doesn't matter whether it's true or not if or when someone who left repents and comes back into the fold. It's not an issue worth dividing over, frankly. With that said, I don't consider myself a calvinist anymore like I arguably once did growing up. Limited atonement is most definitely not scriptural and I think self evidently wrong. The rest, I think, is a matter of interpretation. A lot of times I see people from different sects of Christianity arguing over some doctrinal issue or another, and I find myself coming to conclusions that they're often just talking around each other than actually disagreeing. They're just drawing similar conclusions with different logic or communicating the same beliefs with different, culturally distinctive language that the other doesn't understand.
@@Tyler_W Thanks for the reply. I would disagree with you about a particular issue though, although I can see your point and agree in a broad way that you are on to something. My issue is I was impacted by the OSAS false doctrine in my youth because I specifically questioned using hypotheticals and was given answers that did not make sense to me, but I disappointedly went with that logic and saw where it took me. It took me to some dark places and the reason I went there is because in my mind I wanted to see how going along with certain things would square with OSAS. It became obvious that this thinking is destructive and dangerous. Bottom line is that the Bible tells us we can fall away in a couple of different places quite clearly. Anyone who uses one part of scripture to negate another part of scripture is engaged in false teaching, end of story. I provide Hebrews 10:26-31 for anyone who is curious as to what I mean.
The West lives by the Golden Rule and Pope Francis said, "Dear brothers and sisters! The migratory flows of our times are the expression of a complex and varied phenomenon that, to be properly understood, requires a careful analysis of every aspect of its different stages, from departure to arrival, including the possibility of return. As a contribution to this effort, I have chosen to devote the Message for the 109th World Day of Migrants and Refugees to the freedom that should always mark the decision to leave one’s native land. “Free to leave, free to stay” was the title of an initiative of solidarity promoted several years ago by the Italian Episcopal Conference as a concrete response to the challenges posed by contemporary migration movements. From attentive listening to the Particular Churches, I have come to see that ensuring that that freedom is a widely shared pastoral concern." Millions of unarmed poor people are being pushed out ahead of an actual MILITARY invasian like by the Russians after WW1. Pick any large scale movement and you see the same military tactics being applied. Eastern warfare is all based on SunTzu's methods that counter " The Golden Rule" 100%. Westerners will not shoot at unarmed children, women or even military aged men. Our enemies will win by our own capitulation. Do you see millions of poor migrating into Saudi Arabia or Iran? The UN is now under control of the OIC and these people are experts of Eastern tactics and all of them watch You Tube and so they watch your show and the Yuri Bezmenov videos and know exactly what to do to appear uninvolved or to look like victims. Communism, fascism, socialism and Islam all look the same when your property is getting 'redistributed' It's an invasion.
1. clear vision of how nationalism not only isn't the same thing as nazism (contrary to collectivist propaganda), but could be an exact opposite of it. 2. overcoming often invisible but always fatal (at least historically) disagreements among christians (and then, hopefully, disagreements among other monotheistic religions). two things america needs to prevail in long run. keep up with critical hits, james lindsay.
Why does it matter if Christians agree or not? And why does that matter more than other monotheistic religions? And why are non-monotheistic religions not even considered?
@@setsen337 i'm not really favoring one religious group here, but overviewing history and what worked, what didn't worked, what seemed like it's working but weakened over time, and what seemed like it's not working but strengthened over time. that's of course a wide subject (to put it lightly), not for a youtube comment.
@@VM-hl8ms That's fair, it is a wide subject. I'm just not sure what you're envisioning, because I don't see the connection between getting Christian theology settled and America prevailing in the long run.
@@setsen337 technically, it's what i'm trying to draw attention to, things that traditionally are not obvious. especially for american mass consciousness. for example, not like europe or middle east, they haven't went through actual clash of nationalism and nazism.
I never cease to be amazed by how many people find it so necessary to make belonging to a group part of their individual identity. Or even the need to focus on their identity at all. Who I am never really crosses my mind. I identify myself to others strictly out of context of who I am speaking to. If I am describing who I am to my child's teacher, I am my child's father. Anything broader than that is irrelevant to me. Anyway, all this just sounds to me like people using The Bible for a power grab. Pretty much a Christian version of the Taliban.
Nationalism is a Religion - that is a great book by Carlton Hays - BTY when they give you a passport (or other ID) - they frame you into their identity construct ... then use coercion to extract their 30 pieces of silver - ATB
A bunch of frustrated, marginalized, mostly young men that Frankensteined a belief system together from 4 Chan and RUclips grievance content. They want to ideologically storm the institutions in a hostile takeover. They presume to allegedly banner for the entirety of Christendom and the “Right”. It’s like when the Evangelicals tried to co-opt Conservatism, and failed. All the Evangelicals did was leave a Uni-party in governance.
The battle between Enlightenment Reason and the Counter Enlightenment Irrational reaction is still raging. Socialism and Christian Nationalism are both enemies of individual reason, and both resemble a return to feudalism more than anything one might call innovation. Unfortunately, feudalism is arguable the most persistent structure of society since humans invented agriculture. It is an up hill battle, but I believe liberalism and reason are worth defending. Keep up the good work!
Voluntary community and physical ability to defend one’s self and one’s community would be the only way to emolument any form of government that doesn’t squash and turn tyrannical. Divide into smaller and smaller government. County government should have more power over the individuals of its domain that the federal. The federal should be involved only in the interactions of smaller governments.
I think this might be the first time I've heard, "nationist." It seems like it may server as an avoidance of using a controlled or weaponized term, but it's "nearness" also seems like it would be a problem and make difficult adoption/understanding (but I don't). Though, also, a term that is defined more principally would be good like the alternatives terms within "DEI," rather then the phenomenon based term which is widely known and defined for it's extortion thereof.
Another term, you mention being "atheist." Is it not interesting that the institutional and popular definition for "agnostic" is not only "not knowing it God/gods exist," but also "being not Religious, but not Atheist." It rather highlights that Atheist is not enough the atheist belief, but must be an assertion and knowing that God/gods do not exist. So in your not telling people their faith, you would neither be a good "Atheist." No-one thinks over or considers that there maybe or could be "agnostic atheists" only vaguely "agnostic faithful."
Im 35 minutes in and im tracking some of the concerns and criticisms; psy op, walking onto lefts trap and fascism leaving a vacuum of liberties for the Left to resume power. The challenge is that as an atheist, whats your alternative? We came from star dust, climbed out of primordial soup to live as souless material organisms? If there isnt a strong cohesive world view of what and who we are, why we're here, they'll win. You would be more impactful teaching repentance, the coming Kingdom of God and moral objectivity along side what you teach on CRT, EI etc. Of course you woild need to desire to lnow God yourself. I pray you do and thank you for your important work. Shalom.
As a Christian, I become very concerned at the idea of a "christian prince." I become concerned because, as a Christian, it is my belief that Jesus was the only man to live without sin, and any "christian prince" we give total power over our lives will be, by my Christian beliefs, a sinner deserving of Hell, and redeemable only through the blood of Christ. There is no perfect world until the coming of the Kingdom. Until then we live in a fallen Creation, and need to remember that.
Where does scripture forbid a devout Christian from becoming a public official? I guess you prefer a non Christian prince instead? An ungodly unsaved individual is more preferred? The American political scheme ruled out a national church and a meticulous adherence to the laws of the Mosaic covenant. Our laws were based on the decalogue except the sabbath, which was perceived to be a peculiar interest to individual Christian denominations and individuals. Yet many Christians assumed office in government, and the nation was better for it.
The line was drawn with respect to particular and peculiar doctrines relevant to Christian theology such as the Trinity and deity of Jesus, etc. No one could impose the whole of a Christian system of doctrine upon the people by law. See the debates between Massachusetts Puritan John Cotton and Baptist Roger Williams, and you will see where and why America established th4 first amendment. Our national spirit and political system clearly reflects and sprang from a Christian impetus, not a secular humanist impetus without favoring one denomination over another. If we eliminate slavery from our national founding, we would have been the ideal society perfectly conducive to the preaching of the gospel, the doctrine of Christ, and a God-fearing society. Take all that away, and we have a godless morally relative hedonistic antichristian totalitarian state. If we consign Christian nationalism to what it was in the 18th and 19th centuries, then we are in the best place any society of sinful fallen humans can be. Christian nationalism is not inconsistent with the spirit of 1776. Theocracy and reconstructionism are different matters. Your concern is more warranted in this kind of society context than mere Christian nationalism.. Do we execute unrepentant adulterers? Homosexuals as a matter of law? Perceived heretics? This is where things get murkey and muddled. A God-fearing nation where there is a Christian consensus morally would and criminalize infanticide (abortion) never recognize and codify into law Homosexual unions or relationships, impose the capitol punishment for convicted murderer which would include abortion physicians, withdraw the present welfare state and require those receiving assistance to be used in some productive work in the interest of societies good, require theives to repay the people they defrauded or stole from. Abolish many useless godless government agencies like the Department of Education and the entire government school system. End the IRS and the income tax by returning to our original tax revenue system and many other good reforms of this wicked socialist godless leviathan we live under. Working out the particulars is where a fair and equitable system can be achieved. And we are better off if Christian officers and legislators who truly answer to we the people are in those positions as it once was. What straight thinking level-headed Christian would not agree with that? Do we follow the law of God, however modified to suit a pluralistic society or the law of unsaved unregenerate carnal men? Again, Christian nationalism has its legal limits, but to think that this is not a good situation and far more beneficial and desirous than its opposite, humanistic is not thinking through the issue correctly. God's laws are always good and just. We can integrate the moral law of God, Christian liberty, and compassion very smoothly and coherently. Personally, I do not believe that America will be delivered from its present state of darkness and evil by the new antichristian world we live in. God is giving us over to utter reprobation, and unless we see another great awakening, Christians can expect to be treated with hatred and contempt and lawfare just as Jesus said. You shall be hated by all. Satan and his minions are closing in on us more and more every day. In the meantime, we preach and witness for Christ and stand for righteousness in government and politics. Let God have his way and let His will be done!
I’m a Christian, who was also actively involved in local and State politics for only 5 years, and even me…..a male in his 50’s who dropped out of high school, but kept learning by reading after my youth, can see that the whole reaction to “Christian Nationalism” is a trap. The further the political left goes, the further the political right ( which consists of many evangelical Christians ) seems to go. Both are priming the pump for a future dictatorship. At least in my opinion. Christians should want to continue to want the United States Constitution to remain exactly how it is. We should appreciate the religious liberty in which we still have. We should want a society in which we can continue to discuss our faith with others, present our arguments and evidence, and hope that they will heed Christ’s call, and become believers. We shouldn’t want this to ever be done by the force of government. We know that “government” is made up of people. If we want more people within our government to exact justice with Christian principles, then we need to get busy in living out our faith, knowing what exactly biblical hermeneutics means, actually studying our own theology and worldview, learn how to defend our faith, witnessing to others ( like actual long term conversations over a span of time ) and letting them heed the call of Christ, or reject Him. Also, Christians ( like real Christians….not nominal ones who can’t competently explain their own theology ) should not shy away from being politically involved in their city, county, state, or at the federal level, like they have in the past decades. If you don’t get involved, then don’t expect anything to change. The more Christians will do this, the better the probability of more people becoming believers, hence, more people getting involved in politics with a Christian worldview, and then the better our government would be. James ( an atheist ) tells Christians at the end of the podcast, basically, what I just typed. We Christians, need to get our own house in order ( take the speck out of our own eye ) so…we can in turn…take the speck out of our brothers eye. If we will do this….wokism can be defeated and will eventually die out…..at least….within the church, and also…hopefully…..bleed out into the unbelieving society at large.
I think its because the Christian heritage is not respected.
The secularist is eventually going to lose support because they define religious liberty, the constitution, and secularity as non Christian ...which is a mistake since Christian will gravitate towards what is Christian..
It requires unique vision to properly understand America as a Christian nation, which pressupposes the federal republican form
FANTASTIC you are 100% correct!!! Please keep up your work. America has a real constitution ( I am not in America or an American) . America has if not perfect actually the best ( nothing is perfect) constitution and . longest lasting in history ( think France now on their 5th model, Britian does not have a written one , Germany -- ha ha , Italy ha ha , and so on) ... The American constitution is based in Judeo - Christian Values - Abrahamic Law... one can say the same about the UDHR 1948 , but all laws that are made by man are limited to mans intrinsic flaws - so on with the struggle - Keep up the good work .... The key to our own understanding of THE LAW ( Gods Law) will as noted come from the Jewish People and Faith - the roots of Christian values, Christians are at the end of the day ... a Jewish Sect ... All the best my friend
Yeah, but Trump! He's the Christian solider who can make it happen! LOL. This is all so ridiculous and it's all happening because of two sides over reacting to a reality tv show guy who likes porno babes and gold toilets.
@@williamforrestall2161 LMAO. We all know, Judaism is really just a sect of Paganism.
I practice a form of ancient christianity what christianity was like before it became political. Mainstream christianity has always been political ever since Council of Nicea and Constantine. This is the crux of the problem--christianity has been a politically driven faith ever since gnostics were persecuted and our books banned. Christian Nationalism is just an outgrowth of what christianity has always been since the Council of Nicea and Constantine. The pursuits of the material world (politics) are the antithesis of Jesus and The One. Defending my faith is basically unnecessary since my faith is not a participant in the material world which is a flawed place. The divine is within you not something you "defend" it just is. Defense is only needed in the battles of the material world.
So lemme get this straight.....there is a guy named "Wolfe", who worked for the state department, who is encouraging Christians to take up arms and "take the country back".....That guy fucking glows like Chernobyl.
XDDDD GET EM!
Each every time someone encourage to revolt, they're a glowie
@@dean_l33 Except for those on the Left which can seemingly encourage riots, looting and threaten all manners of revolts all day long without ever getting such accusations or facing any consequences for it. Funny how that goes, doesn't it?
Fed Fed Fed Fed
We have to assert ourselves or be destroyed
This framework can also be used to explain why Wokeism as State Religion is horrible. James Lindsay must be protected at all costs.
any -ism is bad
Woke- ism. Wow. Lmao
I'm a "nationist", but any system created by humans will be messy.
This includes Christianity, messy is okay though, embrace the imperfection.
Correct. Everything is tainted with sin.
So do people really use that term „nationism” ? In my country one author tried to popularize it but stopped after a while.
Isn’t the correct term statist?
@@lzszl no, statism doesn't necessarily carry ethnic connotations, and nationism can be done without recourse to what we would consider a state
Separation of Church and State doesn't just protect citizens from unwanted religious rule; it also protects religion from corrupting politics.
It doesn't, it creates an influence power vacumm, which has now been occupied by gnoticism.
No it allows humanism and all its sects to thrive and flourish.
@@dadsonworldwide3238 If you take a look at the theocracy in Iran, it would be difficult to say it was good for Islam. When political power is linked to (perceived) piety, there becomes a competition to out-pious one's political rivals. The result is ever-increasing radicalism. There is no way that can be good for the religious institutions which hold power.
Yeah Iran's 12 is an extremist tribalist belief and not all beliefs are equal or ethically sound for all fields of study or ways of life.
No different with paganism reformed by humanism . Or nazism centered darwinism German socialism from marx.
Or dr fauci and his colleagues one size fits all mrna evolutionary mythological holy grail that devastated haplo groups thats all not all one long time scale.
100s now we have been blaming mad scientist or human error?
Yes bad people do bad things and not all beliefs are equal or sustainable
@@velocitor3792 that idea your remembering is over its never returning no matter how all this ends.
The enemies are not going to allow it.
And the death and despair that could potentially come in our future will never allow is to be do kind and trusting again
I would be extremely afraid of Christian Nationalism in any flavor. Christians already have to be on their toes because the ministry is an extremely attractive profession for psychopaths to enter. I say this as the daughter of a Protestant minister who definitely was NOT a psychopath but we heard the stories and witnessed the ruin when these wolves in sheep’s clothing took charge of a church. My dad preached for 52 years and I can tell you the pain those charlatans cause is indescribable. More than once, dad was hired by congregations to help put its pieces back together after a psychopath shredded it. Politics also attracts the psychopaths in record numbers. Heaven help us if we combine the two….
Great points
Yup, exactly.
Remember the words of Kierkegaard, too, "A society where everyone is Christian, no one is Christian". Do people want to live in a society where their religion is just cheap bric-a-brac for imperialistic or bourgeois values?
You're parte of such a narrow rank of people that actually make sense on these issues that it makes me sad. Thanks you and God bless you.
There are more people that might teach you about what is going on. The problem is finding one that suits you specifically.
Even better is training your consciousness yourself when you have the time and energy. It can all be seen with your own eyes, if you are willing to lose to collar of your masters that is. ;) Are you ready?
He stated straight up in the video that he considered this video a waste of time and that he was not going to be reading the comments. Yet you post a comment directly to him. I don't get it.
@@patrickbarnes9874 I don't get your need to point that out to a stranger who felt like expresing a feeling in a RUclips comment either. We're all different and that's ok.
Unfortunately, most people are not sophisticated enough to see the forest for the trees like James does. They go after the glitz and glitter of ideas that can be simply stated.
Sins against the climate
You crack me up! I am a normal Christian. Yes, this guy is nuts. He might be talking about Jesus? Or is he talking about the Antichrist? I don't know. You are my favorite atheist!😅
James, thank you for looking out for Christians and describing biblical stories with such respect. You are making a pretty good run at sainthood for someone non-religious 😊
The "christian prince" is another pope. This is an excellent break down. Thank you and God bless you.
No it's not. It's The Anti-Christ.
It’s only “nationalism” if it’s west or it’s Christian. Anything or anyone else is brave and honorable.
Thanks jews
I love it so much. James is actively waking up the right to stop participating in the lefts dialectic. I wish this would be picked up by tucker carlson and the daily wire to mainstream it as well
The DW are grifters who directly profit off of making outrage pron over this dialectic. There's no way they will give that up
The right isn't dialectic nor is Reformed Christianity.
If either Wolfe actually studied the Bible, they would have taken note of 1 Samuel 8:10-18. I understand you, Mr. Lindsay, are an atheist. However, you are correct as usual. The idea that a base man is worthy of dispensing the Creator's justice is ludicrous.
I am a Christian, not a fool. Thank you for all your presentations. Your tracing of the socialist push and its history has been quite enlightening.
Underrated comment.
If man cannot dispense God's justice, what does St. Paul (writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit) mean when he calls the magistrate God's minister ("deacon")? Whose justice is it, if God says the magistrate is acting on God's behalf (even when he fails to acknowledge the Lordship of Christ)?
Another motte and Bailey used by groomers is "Love is Love"
I figured out how to subvert that using their own tactics.
"If I was an alien who's species doesn't understand love, how would you explain it?"
Or "What is love?"
watch them fail.
One must define "church" and "state." The early colonies and states required a minimalist Christian affirmation of faith to hold office - but they also excluded *clergy* from holding office. They saw the sphere of government and church as separate (do you want your clergy making laws, and your lawmakers running your church?), but both spheres were seen as needing to be under the Lordship of Christ; "under God." Freedom of religion was also guaranteed, so no forcible conversions or mandatory church atendance and the like - freedom of conscience was preserved not as its own inherent good but as a logical necessity for people to be able to genuinely convert to Christianity or choose otherwise. This gracious ecumenical Christendom preserved both morality and liberty. Otherwise, how do you define what is evil and should be punished, and what is good and should be granted liberty? Without a transcendent source of both morality and rights being acknowledged, it all becomes subjective and falls apart.... as our late modern society shows.
As a gnostic christian I can tell you that these Christian Nationals DO NOT accept my faith as a christian. Their scope of acceptance is very narrow. This idea that morality proceeds from the political christianity that came with the Council of Nicea and Constantine is questionable indeed. Whenever I hear mainstream christians start harping on but but but where do you get your morality I cringe. I cringe because I start thinking about the thousands and thousands of child abuse cases in these mainstream christian faiths and wonder where that morality came from.
@@TheGnosticGospelHour Of course gnostics aren't recognised as Christians!!!
@@JonathanSaxon That's right because since the beginning we threaten the political authority and the authoritarianism of the church. If Jesus is with us, who can be against us and if the kingdom is within us, why do we need you to tell us what to do? I'll let the entirety Jesus be my authority not the church or the pastors of said churches.
@@TheGnosticGospelHour Jesus isn't with you. You are deluding yourself. Jesus hates gnosticism.
@@JonathanSaxon How arrogant of you to think that you speak for Jesus in regards to my personal relationship to the Entirety or to the Christ. Typical of mainstream christians though so color me not surprised, just bored. Yawn. Pull that beam out of your own eye, before attempting to remove specks of dust from mine.
The ads that pop up on your videos are hilariously juxtaposed. I'm glad you tackled this subject. A lot of ppl need such sobered perspective of things they tend to blindly align with because of a few "friendly" buzzwords...
To Mr Lindsey's Everlasting credit, i did not know until this very video that he was not religious. Thank you for not using your non-theism as a virtue-signal litmus test, as so many devotees of Marx do. I'm also non theistic, but you provide a role model for walking the fine line of not offending hundreds of millions, but even better yet, not undermining the valid parts of their morality.
He is Risen.
Interesting comment.
You're NON theistic, but you say at the end...He is risen?
Whom do you speak of?
I'm somewhere in your camp.
He's risen.
@@richardthenryvideos you know.
@@lloydgush so non-religious but fully believe in Christ? that's the safest position to be in... for now.
Christ gave me his 'morning star' in 2021 and i've been publishing the studies since then - which makes up the 'hidden manna'. He helped me crack the code hidden in Rev6: 6 which is an arrow pointed at the "house of God". Keep an eye out for it.
@John RossStar the hidden code?
I love all I've heard so far. Jesus most definitely is grieved by the conduct of some Churches, not representing Him properly. We need to take the plank out of our eye to help our brother with the speck in his!
"Some churches" try the entire history of Christianity from Paul onwards. True Christianity died on the Cross, as Nietzsche says.
@setsen Interesting point. The original use of the word "Christian" was as an insult for followers of Jesus after the Cross. Today, it's a word that's been so watered down most don't know what it means.
@@learningtogrowinChrist ill happily use it as an insult today
@setsen Well we're not far from the days of Rome and persecuting Christians so have at it. America is failing just like Rome sadly.
@@learningtogrowinChrist Do you think so? I'm not sure myself.
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I guess you're describing the fears we have of the "One world religion "
where do ethics come from? darwinists believe humans are animals and thus can and will be treated as such. unfortunately... people refuse to follow the constitution. we had a good thing going until people destroyed it
don't worry James, this is a result of God working amongst people in a revival sense and the population will want this, nobody will be forced to do anything.. you won't be forced to worship, the problem today is that there are too many non-believers in the churches anyhow.
By This Standard by Bahnsen is a better read about this.
Nobody looks on Charlie as a god.
The only people I've heard talk about "Christian nationalism" is accepting and codifying Christian morals and broad teachings at the local level. At a local level that sounds fine and it was supported by the framers. But codifying doctrinal differences, especially at the federal level, is a nightmare. Not sure which goobers other than these two Wolfs are suggesting that. Sounds like a CIA strawman argument.
It really does sound like it comes from a glowie. Codifying morality in any given case is one thing and worth discussing, but codifying doctrinal distinctive is indeed nightmarish and a blatant violation of the first amendment. It's literally what this country was created to get away from.
True
The founders built our Constitution on freedom given by God. Atheism leads to communist tyranny.
Apparently, so might Christian Nationalism.
42: 27 This reminds me of The Old joke,
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, “Don’t do it!” He said, “Nobody loves me.” I said, “God loves you. Do you believe in God?”
He said, “Yes.” I said, “Are you a Christian or a Jew?” He said, “A Christian.” I said, “Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?” He said, “Protestant.” I said, “Me, too! What franchise?” He said, “Baptist.” I said, “Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?” He said, “Northern Baptist.” I said, “Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?”
He said, “Northern Conservative Baptist.” I said, “Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?” He said, “Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region.” I said, “Me, too!”
Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?” He said, “Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912.”
I said, “Die, heretic!” And I pushed him over.
VERY funny!
That's not particularly old. Emo Phillips circa 1987. ruclips.net/video/l3fAcxcxoZ8/видео.html
@@carnivorehippie8071
For the kids these days 1987 IS Old. For me is 3 weeks ago. :-)
@@stevenwiederholt7000 ikr?!
So clear. This was excellent.
Thank you for this video. I’ve been a Christian since I was 9 and I wouldn’t want to live in a tyrannical theocracy, and the feeling I get is that’s exactly what the Wolfe’s want… the irony of my screen name is obvious to me as I type this. And the Christian Prince… that stinks of setting up an Antichrist in our government. True believing Christians need to live our faith as an example to others so that any who feel called by it can come, we aren’t supposed to force it on anyone. As humans what we choose to believe is as fundamental a freedom as freedom of speech and thought. Even if what you believe is to not believe, it’s your right, in my opinion sacred right, to believe that. Seeing this kind of rhetoric coming from people in my country, which is supposed to champion religious liberty, is very concerning. It worries me that it would drag us back to the dark times of the inquisition and make any tyranny the left could do look amateurish. Again thank you for this video, thank you for your work, and for what it’s worth to you Bless you.
Also may I say… you really hit the nail on the head at the end of the video when you started referencing Revelations.
Exactly what I thought. It's the Antichrist system.
Depart neither from the right hand or to the left, it says. Cause going too far in either direction will take you to hell, philosophically, literally and nationally.
Authentic sincere Christianity (New Covenant, not the Old) does not call for Nationalism. Those people who are trying to make a case for Christian nationalism lack biblical literacy and don't understand the big picture of the great commission, our main concern is supposed to be souls not government.
On an additional note, if Christians have a proper understanding of what is prophesied in the book of Revelation, they understand that this world is only going to get worse as it is written and that trying to prolong that with an idealistic christian nation is futile and foolish and like you said a waste of time and resources.
How James Lindsay left the right. Jokes aside this is actually the lens that the left views the entire right in. It's a bubble both ways though as the right are oblivious to why the left are left at all so this video is definitely not a waste of time.
If government forbids what God demands or God forbids what government demands then Christians have the mandate to disobey government. We accept the punishment for disobedience. We are not to participate in violence.
"We are not to participate in violence" LOOOOOOL Christians have scarcely done anything else for two thousand years!
I clearly remember Jesus hitting people with a whip.
Certainly not offensive, proactive violence, anyway. The pacifist view of Jesus is appealing, but I still find very little grounds against the validity of self-defense and using necessary force to defend others.
@@bentuovila5296 do you remember when, where, and why?
Self defense is sanctioned in the Bible in Genesis Chapter 4, all throughout the Law, and in the New Testament by Jesus Christ.
Totally agree with you besides that caveat.
The problem with Christian nationalism is the same as Jordan Peterson detailed regarding why communism fails.
Christian here. Nowhere does Christ say to turn away wisdom or wise people. Nowhere does Christ say we should only listen to other Christians. Nowhere does Christ say that everyone will come to accept Christ in their lifetime. In fact, there are many stories about people in the Bible learning and thriving under other people of other religions, that we are to be the best version of ourselves in service to those people, and that sometimes the Word falls on deaf ears and people will not hear. Some will hear, but they will not be able to turn away from the life they have.
This is not some hidden code within the Bible, it is easily found.
Really get frustrated with people like Wolfe(s).
@Blob Monster Ya, that was kind of the point. If not calling the hypocrisy out, what do you think going on the offensive looks like?
@Blob Monster Go on the offensive. Just be Christian about it - .
@Blob Monster Thank you for explaining.
Rebuke evil, but remember to be Christ-like.
Sounds cliche and over-simplified, but still requires incredible discipline.
Rebuking evil is mitigating suffering, where you are able.
It’s also being a vanguard.
Yet, mind Christ’s teaching about throwing stones, and the commandment about false witness.
*WARNING:* when listening to this, don't get confused about which Wolf is which. Bottom line, one is smarter than the other, but they're both goofballs.
Amen😊
Does not really matter.
I thought it was the socialist Wolf in the begining
When it comes down to it. I would rather have a right-wing dictatorship rather than a left-wing dictatorship.
I'd rather avoid Dictatorships. The left is just simply more insane. Can't we go back to America before leftist subversion that saw itself as a Christian nation that hold the Constitution in high regard?
The left wants to rewrite the Constitution. The Right wants to follow the Constitution.
And democracy is impossible. Unironically. It doesn't fuckin work. It's always fake. There's always an actual deep-state of life-term beurocrats running shit because democracy is impossible and fake.
Nation = natal = birth = blood
Nationalism is about a distinct people.
Genes either exist or they do not.
Nationalism is natural.
Where James mentions people saying "join, or else"; that isn't Biblical Christianity. If it is helpful, I think this passage expresses the proper Biblical sentiment of how Jesus's ecclesia gathers and accumulates: John 1:"37 And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.
38 Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou? 39 He saith unto them, Come and see."
So before listening, now that we have protestantism I do believe that there is not a sufficient check on Christian theocracies as there was prior to Luther's apostasy. So, any marriage between Christianity and Government should be off the table.
However, I do agree with John Adams that the Republic was created for and can only work when there is a largely religious and moral people. This is true because one of the biggest limiting factors on big government is a citizenry that has properly regulated their activities and desires.
Now let me give the podcast a listen.
Would you expand on that first statement? How do the Protestant denominations not provide a "sufficient check on Christian theocracies prior to Luther's apostasy"?
@@talinthon760 can one Catholic Church with all nations leaders in it's sphere adhering to it better regulate all nations v thousands of different sects, a trend that started with Luther.
To answer Lindsay's question about how to achieve my second point... evangelization.
Christianity is established in its principles....the religiousheritageand consciousness is foundational to the Republic
..I would say what the founders say about true Christian religion? Finding a republican form of the religion makes it compatible with the American republic.
@@TheMorning_Son I read once but can't find the source rn that they thought there should be a "religion" that
1. Believes in a higher power
2. Believes that the soul is immortal and will be judged on life's actions
3. Promotes the cardinal virtues.
32:25 (thereabouts)-- James, you hit an important point. I'm a Christian but not a protestant (I am not protesting Catholicism like Martin Luther). Outside looking in, the modern reformed movement-- especially the Calvinist strain of it-- is so high-strung on pontificating that Calvinism has become very nearly it's own super structure that rivals Catholicism. Super structure faiths tend to exist for their own sake and read into the Bible what they are convinced it says with little exegetical assessment. I had a friend of mine show me over the course of about 16 months the some of the errors with the super structure faith of Calvinism, which was ultimately where I've since developed a skepticism of modern reformed interpretations. Neither reformed tradition nor Calvinism are found in the Bible.
how do you know your traditions are valid, how do you know this?
@@StarCityFAME so you're a libertarian? how do you justify that your freedoms are in fact, just and moral?
@@StarCityFAME I see you just blew off my question.. why is that?
I just believe the bible.
You seem to use the term "super structure" as a description of systematic theology. Calvinists have that, and papists have that; but does this similarity mean that they are the same kind of power structure ("super structure") that needs to be resisted? A Christian who objects to the systemization of his theology will have nothing but shaky ground to stand on. (I am not Reformed, and I won't defend Calvinism, except to say that it is nothing like Roman Catholicism.)
This is by far the most emotional I've seen James.
Yes, he has nothing but emotion and no rational argument, only bigotry and ignorance.
@@Logos-Nomos yeah says they people who want right wing authortarnism
Can I recommend that you add some charts to make the people and how they are linked , timelines , linking of ideas. It would help more people to follow
It’s fundamentally un American. It’s also unchristian because you aren’t supposed to coerce people into these beliefs if you are following the word as it is written.
I love “Christ’s teaching and message” but this one nailed what any self respecting Christian should be paying attention to. “Wise as the serpents and as innocent as doves”. Thanks for
The food for thought man
Is Jesus King of kings and Lord of lords?
@@Logos-NomosHe is. But until HE establishes His kingdom we are to simply make disciples of all nations and that’s about it. God never commanded us to take over a country… Christian nationalists are heretics, their ideology is blasphemous
As a Canadian, it's not a thing here. Except within our PM's head .
They were to busy sucking off china
Thank you for doing this great service to Christians and to the greater freedom movement. Our paths are full of traps. We can't afford to be naively co-opted into our own version of totalitarian tribalism! You're right, there is *serious* jeopardy politically and spiritually to those who go down that path. I respect your theology. ;) Jesus said his kingdom was "not of this world," but is "within us.". He said the wheat and tares would grow side by side until Christ returns and sorts it all out--not by establishing a literal earthly kingdom, but by judging the living and the dead. I know this will annoy some, but there is no "rapture" (get out of jail free card), and there is no Christian theocratic government that will somehow deliver us from the need to forbear others and engage in the marketplace of ideas. This life is a test, day in and day out, of whether we submit to Christ--not as a means of coercing others, but primarily in order to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling, being transformed into the character of Christ. Refuse to grasp for the Ring. Jesus steadfastly refused it (desert temptation, the cross, etc.). Bravo, James. 👏❤
Amen.
I upvoted you. But I will add here that political christianity has been the state of christianity ever since the Council of Nicea and Constantine. Christian nationalism is just another head on the hydra of corrupted political christianity.
Amin
@@wattlebough Did you know you are listening to a fool? That's what the Bible calls him.
Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt; their acts are vile. There is no one who does good. 2 The LORD looks down from heaven upon the sons of men to see if any understand, if any seek God.…
Lindsay says openly he is an Atheist. Atheists don't believe there is a God. He who is not for Me is against Me.
I wonder who said that?
@@2drsdan I said amen to Rebecca’s comment. Regardless of the content of this video she is correct. I have not listened to this video myself as yet and may not make the time for a while. I’m resting my mind today as it needs to rest.
Christians have as much right to engage in the political process and to suggest structures of social organisation as anyone else, James. Saying that we should capitalute because Communists will demonise us is just stupid.
Low IQ take.
James is no more Christian than he is conservative. He's a fence sitting libertarian.
@@arthurfoust4120 He never pretended to be either, are you new here?
@@arthurfoust4120 Nevertheless he’s doing the Lord’s work.
This was a sad lecture. Only an atheist is 8th grade, cool enough to tell Christians to behave like RINOs - never win enough to make a difference or else you'll make a difference as Christians
Religion by Christ is different than religion by man. Christ wants you to freely accept him therefore he gave us free will. Religion by man is forced upon the people. In the Bible the main villains, especially in the New Testament, are the religious leaders. Protestants used to believe that papal Rome was the Beast in revelation that received the deadly wound(Protestantism) but whose wound would heal, bringing about the great tribulation. Right now that wound is healing and Protestants will merge back into the mother Church of Rome which will lead to the union of church and state. Whether you are religious or not, the union of church and state is a terrible thing like James Lindsay says. People think it’s left vs right but in reality both arms belong to the same evil and the true narrow path is through humility, accountability, repentance, forgiveness, and faith in Jesus.
The usual answers, James, just to prepare you in case some Theonomists fall into this is that each US state was supposed to be for each particular "denomination." For instance, Utah was for a long time nearly entirely Mormon, the colonies were separated by denomination - i.e. Pilgrims and Puritans had their own state with Massachusetts, the non-purifying leaning Episcopalians had New York and some Southern states, the Catholics had Maryland originally, the Quakers had Rhode Island etc. I disagree with the notion but it is a point of fact to prep for in future debates.
BTW, the 50,000 denominations thing is a bit of a myth - you can ask Michael O'Fallon about that. There's really more like a few dozen serious sizeable denominations (almost all conservative Christians say there's no denominations anyway unless they're conservative Anglican, as most will say there's only one visible Church - for instance, I say the only "denomination" is Orthodoxy; however, I do recognize its discursive and academic value obviously).
The term "denomination" arose from Anglican theology, which attempted to unify the so-called "high church" Anglicans who held to Rome's Liturgy, iconography/statuary, prepared prayer system and so forth, with the so called "low church" Anglicans who leaned more toward Luther and Calvin's reforms and did away largely with the "smells and bells" part of the faith, the main difference being, in my opinion, over the question of the Real Presence and soteriology. As Anglicanism strived to keep all of these differing believers together under literally one church roof, governed by the King or Queen instead of by the Pope, and with the principal thinking of St. Augustine of "unity in essentials" as the guiding light of this kind of thinking, denominationalism emerged as an explanatory map showing how and where churches of different governance, intercommunion and core beliefs arose, via differences over the non-essentials of the Christian Faith. If one is not as sharp on what the essentials are - say, by belief in the Apostle's Creed as the governing standard, or more academically via some general belief in the value of God, Jesus Christ, the Bible and Christianity in any sense - then belief in the multiplicity of claimants on the Christian Faith makes sense.
This is a diversion, but an important one, as denominationalism is accepted by "Christian Nationalists." This is a notion called "ecumenism," fraternizing with heretics in issues and practices of the Faith that involve affirming heretics via joining in confessional prayer or engaging in practices equivalent to such prayer (such as, say, bonding over the thought of a top-down theonomic Christian rule). Such "ecumenism" is so pungent to conservative denominations that such interdenominational cooperation and theological compromise as is required for the "workability" of the theonomic task at hand would be entirely rejected before such cooperation is even conceived. It is why theonomy stayed firmly within PCA/OPC Calvinist circles. Christian Nationalism, which apes it in many senses and claims the ecumenically-adverse conservative faiths as its adherents, is for this very reason an obvious fake government psy-op or at the very best a flash in the pan desperation heave by people (including Calvinists) who do not believe in the continuance of Divine miracles in sweeping conversion and revival of the Faith and who therefore see the writing on the wall, no pun intended, for their ideas as faith in general rapidly evaporates in the growing heat of the LGBT movement.
The 50k number for came from a book of religious study which counted congregational-governed churches in Protestantism (like Independent Baptists of the Steven Anderson/Fred Phelps ilk) as each being their own denomination, and the number became a statistic eventually weaponized by Roman Catholics and us Orthodox in debates with Protesants.
Orthodox wants monarchy, which james is against as well as many Christians.
in america it has a republican form of Christian religion...no need for Godless secularism or a "denomintaional" church.. The secularist distorts the founders as having no religion or even saying the federal government is not founded upon the Christian religion...which is not true ..white nationalism or racism practically has no meaning..Christian nationalism shouldn't be grounded in nationalism but the religious ethos of the country.
Too many words
@@kate60 then learn reading comprehension and grow your attention span I guess...
Where would such a governmental system leave Jews? And which day would they designate the official Sabbath? Didn't Germany try something similar about a century ago? What if the prince turns out to be a tyrant? What if certain people or groups become a "problem" in need of a final solution?
WEB Dubois also a Margaret Sanger style Eugenicist.
As someone who has enjoyed the thought experiment of a Christian nationalist nation. I’m happy to listen to this effort to debunk it as a terrible idea from one of the most honest and credible intellectuals of whom I know.
Great analysis, seems like these Christian Nationalists misunderstand our history and Christ's Great Commission. At the birth of this nation Christian/enlightenment ethics and worldview was assumed and our nation grew from that. Christ's call is from the ground up, persuading each individual of the truth claims of Christ, then affecting the whole one person at a time. Not taking over government and forcing confessions from the force of law.
this nation was founded as a SECULAR democratic nation. If we were founded on oppressive and immoral "Judeo-Christian values" we would not be a democratic nation and we would not enjoy any of the liberties we do today. It is only because America IS and WAS founded as a secular nation that our government structure is able to work. If the US was founded as a "Christian" nation, we would be an authoritarian theocracy no different from Iran or any of the other Islamic theocracies of the middle east. It is only because the government established by the founders was explicitly non-religious that freedom was able to reign. Thomas Jefferson, the author of the declaration of independence, was an atheist, research "The Jefferson Bible". James Madison, the primary author of the constitution, was a deist who rejected organized religions like Christianity. All of the founders recognized the inherent evil and oppression of religion, which is why they kept it out of government. Also, the Enlightenment was an explicitly secular, rational, and atheistic movement by the most intelligent thinkers of the time who explicitly rejected the ideas of religion and the totalitarianism built into all of them, and embraced skepticism, science, and logic and reason, all ideas completely antithetical to Christianity.
Correct
@@kate60 who, Mark or me?
where do ethics come from? darwinists believe humans are animals and thus can and will be treated as such
I've got a dollar that says most suburban Church attendees haven't run across the words "The Great Commission". Show up on Sunday, never be uncomfortable, make cash, watch TV, show up on Sunday. There's more issues in that cycle that could be fixed before trying to impose Christian Nationalism with a Christian Prince or whatever was going on there. Sounds bad man.
People remember massive lawsuits when anybody bowed his head on a footbal field.
Can you blame people for not trusting "separation" anymore?
"I didnt read the book"
"Now let me tell you how this wont work" no wonder the wolfs didnt take you seriously on twitter.
Do you need to read Mein Kampf to seriously reject nazism?
One of the main problems is that the vast majority of the people don’t know what a government which is republican in form actually means nor the limits of its jurisdiction.
Another huge problem is that the people don’t know or understand that the body politic is in fact by inherent right and law a voluntary association, just like The Body of CHRIST.
I consider myself a Bible believing Christian and I have one thing to say...
BRAVO, SIR! BRAVO!
Bravo of his blasphemy, cursing and straw man arguments about the Christian founding fathers of America like the Puritans and Presbyterians? I think not!
@@Logos-Nomos if you choose to value beautiful speech and lip service to dead men over a legitimate admonition against a genuine heresy that is poised to make criminals of every Bible believer in the U.S., you are, of course, entitled to your preference. (For the time being, anyway.)
@@carnivorehippie8071 What beautiful speech are you speaking about? The only thing I care about is declaring Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords and obeying the Great Commission. And you?
@@Logos-Nomos I refer to your objection to his profanity. Would you approve of the content of his message if he forebore to swear? Or if he eliminated the statements you object to regarding the founding fathers? The message would be the same. The warning would still be apt. If what you care about is Christ being proclaimed why are you listening to him at all? He's never made a secret of the fact he's no believer. He has NEVER ONCE preached the gospel nor claimed to. Perhaps it's time to shake the dust off your sandals, my friend.
@@carnivorehippie8071 My objection is that he is completely ignorant of the faith that the founding fathers like the Puritans and Presbyterian Pilgrims is exactly the faith that he finds so reprehensible and yet, it is very American. America was founded as a covenanted, Christian nation. Everything he objected to is laid out clearly in the 1647 Westminster Confession of Faith.
HEY JAMES, how does it make you feel to know that LONG AFTER YOU ARE DEAD AND GONE, Hegel will still be remembered, influential, and revered, and his philosophy will still be guiding a large portion of humanity?
James: "My superpower is reading the literature and believing them."
Also James: "I'm going to critique this book I haven't read."
Nowhere in this does he critique the book.
@@RyanLongArt 30:10 He's using a critique of the book he hasn't read to criticize the ideas expressed in that book.
What's the difference?
@@RyanLongArt He is arguing against preconceived (and incorrect) notions about the positions of its author. This could be remedied in part merely by applying the same careful interaction with the source material here that he does with Marxism. I maintain no illusions that he would agree with Wolfe's actual positions either, but these unserious potshots are not helping his case.
If anyone is doing any forced conversions, please let me know so I can stop them. You commit a greater sin by forcing a person to convert than allowing them to live their lives. They chose to reject God. Make your arguments and pray to the Holy Spirit and trust God. You do not, should not, and shall not convert people forcibly.
Replace "Christian Nationalism" with "anti-wokism" and it's the exact same argument
Just don't do anything the left objects to and they'll leave you alone for sure.
I am atheist, I think the movement glows, and I'm incredibly wary of it... Yet I'd still prefer it to clown world.
Which is exactly why it is an op (or candy coating for one).
Yes! I’ve been waiting on you to address Christian Nationalism
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As an atheist, I am glad to see James stay straight on this. It would be easy to become captured by the Christian right as they became allies, but he has stayed rational. Well done.
Not all Christians are like this, I think America needs Christian conservatives to be a part of the opposition to this marxist takeover, but discernment is important, and anyone who advocates removal of fundamental civil liberties, regardless of their justification, has zero credibility.
Not a waste of time at all.
Thanks for the heads up, I thought I was paranoid about some people but now I know there are some hiding their power level.
Your staunch liberalism does not fall into deaf ears.
So I've been listening to you for quite a while, and I somehow erroneously assumed that you had Christian presuppositions based on the assumption that you making all of your fantastic lectures. Sounds like you are borrowing capital from us, while signing off the branch you were sitting on. CS Lewis was right. Christian thought is necessary for rationality. But Christian belief it's harder to come by. You may think the garden Eden is weird, but you, my dear brother will face death like the rest of us. And you will face judgment. And all your good works, and good deeds will come to not if you haven't received grace atoning sacrifice for your sins. I pray you wake up and see this. Love you, brother!
Normally I would say that Christian nationalism is only problematic inside churches where it places Christians opposite of each other, as happens with many cultural and societal issues. However, i'm not from the US so it's hard to judge what the impact of this strange phenomenon and un-Christian ideology really is.
All of this sounds an awful lot like Ibram Henry Roger’s idea for an Antiracist Amendment to the Constitution.
First I agree with not taking on terms that are weaponized against us.
I disagree that you don't have a 'religion', as we use the word colloquially. You do, and it's similar to Christianity, even an unacknowledged denomination of Protestantism.
Believing in basic human rights for all, as a "sacred science", qualifies. Listen to yourself in this video, "I'm an atheist, how dare anyone violate my basic human rights, or anyone else's!"
25:59 - Fascism is not remotely ‘right wing’, it is a sect/ denomination of Marxism.
It is Right of Communism & Nazism, but still a left wing political ideology, similar to perhaps Socialist Democrats, or similar’ish to Bernie Sanders views prior to 2016.
Fascism is far-right. Nazism is an extreme form of Fascism. Nazism was inspired by European colonialism, Manifest Destiny etc among other things.
This intro music is much better & more engaging/compelling/appropriate to the intense topics at hand
I’m sorry James, I think you’re pretty great and I have learned a lot from you. But your perspective on this issue is both short-sighted and naïve.
If you don’t think that ALL conservative, Bible-believing Evangelical Christians who hold to the Lordship of Christ over all (including all nations), will eventually just be lumped in with the so-called Christian nationalists by extension and out of convenience by the regime (they will first be called sympathizers, then accused of being outright Christian nationalists), then I don’t know how to help you.
Christians have been called all kinds of things since the first century. They’ve been called terrorists, rabble-rousers, enemies of the state, cannibals, the list goes on and on.
Your mistake as far as Christians are concerned is to think that Christians fear labels. The only label Christians care about is the label given to them by God as citizens of his Kingdom. Christians follow a man who was labeled a blasphemer, was accused of sedition, and as a political leader who was trying to spark an uprising against the Roman government and was murdered by the government for it.
It doesn’t matter how Christians try to posture or distance themselves from far right Christian political movements. If this leftward drift toward socialist totalitarianism continues, it will go the way these things always go. “If you’re not for us, then you’re against us and you must be re-educated or eradicated.
The point about W.E.B DuBoise was pretty eye opening, also the connection to race politics.
47:00 James, this is not Christianity, not even close to the Orthodox/Catholic concept of symphonia, because Protestants do not have iconography to connect Christ with a King, Prince, elected President, Judge, Congressman, boss at your job, etc. I won't get into that any further, except that your person you are looking for in Wolf the Greater's ideal "Prince" is that hated figure of us Irishmen and first modern example of top-down forced government toppling in favor of a new woke religious order, Oliver Cromwell.
Ah! That Cromwell is their model would make sense, especially with theonomy having come from Calvinists like rushdoony in the first place.
I was thrown off by the word "prince" and as Cromwell was clearly never a literal prince I failed to see what you saw.
Real christianity has never been tried!
@@vulkanofnocturne that's not the claim. It absolutely has. The Roman Empire (in its entirety until the fall of the West, then the East for another several centuries), pre-Bolshevik Russia, the Christian Anglo-Saxons, and a number of others.
@@joer9156 If those are your examples of "real" christianity, then the west truly is doomed if we can't shake it off.
Social Justice is an Irish Catholic invention.
That's like saying, "Age is just a number."
The Wolfe that wins will be the one you feed.
Best not to feed wild animals
Always. Time to cling to the Shepherd of our souls
Many a dog has turned on its master.
Hi James,
I'm a SBTS Grad. and very thankful for your thoughts. I have to think more about this and you have been very helpful.
"The Prince" is Niccolo Machavelli's book of political battle strategy.
Written for an actual prince. What were some of your fav parts?
@@jaykong1128 as an un-initiated plebean, The Prince triggered a good amount of Nietzschean resentment and idealogic ire. Likewise much gratitude for my modernity as well as joy not to be imprisoned by oligarchical obligation to justify the twisting of entire communities into mere means to an end.
You?
@@SlickDissident The marginalized. The minorities. The outcast. Aren't they all means to an end for the communist
@@SlickDissident the good of encouraging certain people into weakness and forced disarmament.
Machiavelli recommends that it is necessary when in the situation of taking power, that everyone besides all of those who supported your seizure, to perform a mass disarmament of the common people to enshrine the exclusive power of the rulers new state with his organized, allegiant, and personal force of troops.
Though dealing with both groups efficiently for the sake of stability is critical, Machiavelli advises that the seized and the supportive groups should be encouraged at every available opportunity to take on more vulnerable and pathetic characteristics encouraging them to become more “weak and effeminate. You should arrange things so that all the weapons in your new state are in the hands of those of your own troops who were closely associated with you in your old territories.”(64).
When those under rule are encouraged and loved for behaving more submissively in weak and effeminate ways they are incentivized to be much more easily managed with fear, love, and distractions. This observation in particular hits way too close to home for me as citizen of America.
As a Muslim I definitely believe belief in God is important. It’s not really a personal thing. It’s not about you, personally. It’s about the fact that someone who believes in God has a set of principles that they generally try to abide by. Whereas an atheist’s set of values can be set to change depending on the circumstances. I do think that religious nationalism can be dangerous, but I think it’s because the ones I’m familiar with generally don’t have an authority and therefore the Scriptures are self interpreted and sometimes a violent kind will interpret a more violent scripture.
Thanks for discussing this topic! This movement does resonate with me personally, though I don't agree with it's solutions it FEELS really great to hear. Maybe my take can help?
I believe it's popular among young Christian men mainly because, like many of my fellow "white male Christian" demographic, we have been abused by the Marxist infiltration into our society probably the most and for decades we've been told by pious/cowardly members of "our side" in high places that it's really our fault they're so mad and you should be more compassionate. "Turn the other cheek", "give them your cloak", "Vengence is mine sayeth the Lord" and this is used to softly endorse joining the progressive point of view and denounce the "stupid conservative fundamentalists".
I sincerely believe the Bible is true and I am committed to following Christian doctrine as my primary ethics above my cultural norms and so I am by definition a fundamentalist. So that makes me the bad guy in every movie, I supposedly "hate free thought/women/gays/etc.", and this gives the culture at large cart blanche to insinuate that we're closeted Nazis. It's tempting to flip the script and say "No, you don't get to lie about me anymore!" and use force in the same way to silence them.
A lot of fundamentalist Christian's isolate themselves from other cultures to avoid mixing with secular culture so they're answers for why are degenerates yelling at us is simple "they're not Christian, so of course they don't make sense." And prefer simple solutions - such as to beak off and make our own place with our own rules to get away from them since we can't pick the violent pushback option. OR take the assertive "stand our ground" option and seize the levers of control and push them out the same way they're trying to push us.
Personally I prefer to understand my enemy better and "fight back" in a way that's effective, but doesn't violate my principles of love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind and love your neighbor as yourself. Like many Christian missionaries that ventured into hostile countries, they end up subverting other countries culture in much the same way the Marxists did to ours. I recognize the techniques they use because I work with missionaries myself. Targeting education, women and children, families, and the outcasts, not to destroy them but to build them up and try to lead them to follow Christ.
Don't know if it helps, but I thanks for reading. ^__^
Outstanding response. And what if I want my people and our cultures norms, curtsies and customs to be primarily informed and based on Christian ethics? Who says that if we meaningfully revision our nation as an explicit Christian Nation rather than the implicit one it has been historically, that it there for will be totalitarian or abusive and destructive towards its own ends. The human element of any political experiment runs that risk if you ask me.
Lindsay is a fool according to Psalm 14:1
@@jaykong1128 that is a good question because that is one of the major reasons why Christian still pursue the idea of the Christian nation. Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. He is the king of kings. And we want to live in his kingdom. I don't know that this goal can ever be achieved in a top-down fashion.
Ultimately we must pursue creating a culture that flourishes and reinforces the norms we want within our own church communities. It may always have to be this way I'm not sure
If you want a theocracy…go build your own Colorado City.
Most are unaware that different religions, across the US have their own religious enclaves with their own security, education, and local moral directives.
Leave the “Nation” part to the Constitution.
@@basilbaby7678 Decentralization, pro. Separation of powers per mixed regime, pro. Minoritarian rights to block certain majority/popular motions, pro.
However, its like Franklin said and so many others alluded to, freedom (political) is for the moral. We are no longer a people with a common morality or sense of right and wrong. If your greatest value is 'live and let live' then what does that have to say about our shared future as a people??
a decayed and rotting society has no choice but to create it's own dark consequences to it's own twisted ideas of a solution.
We have forgotten who we are as a nation and a people. E Pluribus Unum!!😜
One nation and people was a Lincolnite agenda. You are over 160 years too late.
What was that book under the hand of every inaugurated president ever?
The “Presidential Oath” is an oath of fidelity to the US Constitution only, and the resting of the hand on the Bible is elective, not compulsory.
James, I have listened to much of your content. It is very good. However, you, as an atheist, are missing an understanding about Wolfe's spead of Christian faith as a center piece of this country by way of its culture. You suggest he has to impose it. If he imposes it, well, it is then not from God. It's our job to spread God's word. It's His will to do the work. Of course, the sin nature of man would attempt to impose it outside God's will. That, in turn, would make those Christians who use said imposition a detriment to the effort and make themselves a self-imposed target simultaneously soiling the name of Christians. They will likely also support cultural opposition and corresponding legislation against those that would dare dwell in the boundaries drawn by the Logos.
By definition he has to impose it. Otherwise it's just called preaching. You wouldn't need Theonomy or a Christian Prince. You really seem like you're being deceitful here.
@@PsychoSpartan7what would the motivation of my alleged deciept be. I am a Christian. That means I am repentant every day. Christian Nationalism is a term that will be abused and defined by those who aren't repentant. Imposed by a culture that has removed God from above the state in the hierarchy of order. They are imposing the will of their god. Most of them don't know they have one I suspect.
You should not have needed to make this one James. But here’s a harder one I need you to make: the argument against a national divorce or dissolving the federal government. Libertarian intellectuals have been thinking about these things for a long time and I’m telling you, I can’t find fault in many of their arguments; I’m just left with a nervous skeptical feeling about these ideas.
Please I hope you see this.
Read Matthew Ehret's multi volumes "The Clash of Two Americas". Volume 1 is subtitled The Unfinished Symphony. As in the project set out by the consensus of the Founding Fathers.
The books convincingly demonstrate the constitutional republic as intended has been under attack since day 1, so when we do review the sweep of U.S. political and geopolitical history, we're not reviewing the necessary consequences of the founding documents that framed a constitutional republic with governance by consent; but rather we find blaring evidence of constant intrigues to undermine that project. A project primarily sourced from the British imperial "deep state" / 5th column. If that is in fact the case, the solution a la Mises / Hayek / Rothbard etc to scrap the whole notion of a national state is completely non sensical to me.
Wow, this episode has taken a strange turn into my area of research. "Motte" is a moat, and can be pronounced that way. Motte-and-bailey archaeology dates to the Neolithic. All defenses suffer from the same basic problem of needing relief. They can only prevent a determined attacker from overcoming resistance for so long. Put another way, the occupants of the motte-and-bailey will rely on friends elsewhere to make sieges unsustainable. Likewise, Christian nationalism needs well-meaning Christians to defend its flanks. Thanks for a challenging and interesting digression. Liberal principles are worth defending, with or without walls.
Ideology isn't really a 'choice'...
PEOPLE don't have IDEAS; IDEAS have PEOPLE...
"We can't have any beliefs, because they could be subverted by the Communists" -James Lindsey, probably.
If you have authoritarian or totalitarian beliefs, don't be surprised when they get subverted by communists. It's just an easy step.
He’d be probably right.
Since Marxism is repackaged Gnostic Luciferianism…which is biblically derived.
Don’t shoot the messenger.
31:22 This is where you need to think like a linguist and perennialist to semantically infer what eden represents (physically or otherwise) through the use of cognates from other languages. It was referenced as a garden (ganeh in hebrew) which is a cognate of jannah (paradise in arabic) which is a cognate of the word jnana (to know in sanskrit). Coincidentally Janah is also a name of one of the over worlds in vedic philosophy. Every belief which is not the belief directly dispensated by the Lord himself is an imperfect reflection of the story of our reality.
Great timing yet again.
The United States was inspired by Christian teachings and men of faith, but it was not executed as a Capital C Christian nation (in the European tradition).
Anyone attempting to "Europeanize" our religion in this country are _not_ friends. Christ wouldn't know them as his followers either.
It was executed as a Masonic conspiracy, which must be destroyed and replaced with a Christian empire.
The true Gigachadness himself: Kyle K.
(It's poetic that Kathleen K. would be the one to destroy Star Wars.)
Judas was a disciple of Jesus.
Our own are often our most weakest link.
>Literally becomes Sodom and Gamorrah 2.0 by tolerating sin and sinners for decades, and letting gnotism replace you as the national religion under the guise of secularism
>OH YEAH GUYS WE ARE SO SUPERIOR
Lmao, wild idea, but instead of trying to pretend the route that made you lose is the only good one, learn from the religions and cultures that haven't been subverted.
@@basilbaby7678
Sadly, you are correct. I am increasingly finding men's hearts are failing them right now out of an unspoken sense of desperation.
The US Gov must combat the radicals but first it must create them. Hegelian dialectic.
Jesus teaches us to love our neighbors. Using the force of the government is not love and it is not a teaching of Christ.
God gives us free will, to take that away from another is like saying you know better than God.
Jesus was not a politician, neither a nationalist or a socialist. He taught the power of love to change the individual not the power of the government to force others to do, “the right thing”.
“Treat others the way you want to be treated.”
Jesus
FWIW James, I'd certainly term these ideas as heresy... well beyond the bounds of orthodoxy. I am a Baptist, I can get along with Calvinists generally but I'm quite sure these folks would put me up against a wall, sure as the Communists would.
If you are a Baptist then you are more than likely a Calvinist. I grew up in the Baptist church and the Once Saved, Always Saved false doctrine is 100% Calvinism. It is also a large part of why I left and became a Christian... Not trolling, just using accurate language.
I'm notably not a Calvinist. We're Baptist, not Southern Baptist. No "once and always" here, more "working out with much fear and trembling," to paraphrase James. I'm under the Texas Baptist Association, we ordain women, accept variance on soteriology, and haven't been subverted by Marxists. Yet anyway.
@@matthewnyce2978 What do you mean by "variance on soteriology"...?
@@cconder19 I'm not sure I'd go so far as to identify the "once saved, always saved" belief as a heresy. People who identify it as such do so on the basis of the belief that they are antinomians, but if you actually listen to most people who espouse such a belief, they also promote pursuing growth in Christ and virtuous living. Personally, I'm of the belief that someone can walk away, but God being the perfect essence of love in his very nature is not content with just letting those who were either once or still are his go on their way without protest. Christ pursues every lost sheep until he inevitably brings them back into the fold, just like what happened with Mark as described in Paul's letters. Personally, so long as one does not veer into antinomian thinking that it doesn't matter what you do, good or bad, I'm content with saying I don't actually know whether "once saved" always saved" is true or not because it ultimately doesn't matter if we are tending to the things we need to tend to, and it doesn't matter whether it's true or not if or when someone who left repents and comes back into the fold. It's not an issue worth dividing over, frankly. With that said, I don't consider myself a calvinist anymore like I arguably once did growing up. Limited atonement is most definitely not scriptural and I think self evidently wrong. The rest, I think, is a matter of interpretation. A lot of times I see people from different sects of Christianity arguing over some doctrinal issue or another, and I find myself coming to conclusions that they're often just talking around each other than actually disagreeing. They're just drawing similar conclusions with different logic or communicating the same beliefs with different, culturally distinctive language that the other doesn't understand.
@@Tyler_W Thanks for the reply. I would disagree with you about a particular issue though, although I can see your point and agree in a broad way that you are on to something. My issue is I was impacted by the OSAS false doctrine in my youth because I specifically questioned using hypotheticals and was given answers that did not make sense to me, but I disappointedly went with that logic and saw where it took me. It took me to some dark places and the reason I went there is because in my mind I wanted to see how going along with certain things would square with OSAS. It became obvious that this thinking is destructive and dangerous.
Bottom line is that the Bible tells us we can fall away in a couple of different places quite clearly. Anyone who uses one part of scripture to negate another part of scripture is engaged in false teaching, end of story.
I provide Hebrews 10:26-31 for anyone who is curious as to what I mean.
The West lives by the Golden Rule and Pope Francis said, "Dear brothers and sisters!
The migratory flows of our times are the expression of a complex and varied phenomenon that, to be properly understood, requires a careful analysis of every aspect of its different stages, from departure to arrival, including the possibility of return. As a contribution to this effort, I have chosen to devote the Message for the 109th World Day of Migrants and Refugees to the freedom that should always mark the decision to leave one’s native land.
“Free to leave, free to stay” was the title of an initiative of solidarity promoted several years ago by the Italian Episcopal Conference as a concrete response to the challenges posed by contemporary migration movements. From attentive listening to the Particular Churches, I have come to see that ensuring that that freedom is a widely shared pastoral concern."
Millions of unarmed poor people are being pushed out ahead of an actual MILITARY invasian like by the Russians after WW1. Pick any large scale movement and you see the same military tactics being applied. Eastern warfare is all based on SunTzu's methods that counter " The Golden Rule" 100%. Westerners will not shoot at unarmed children, women or even military aged men. Our enemies will win by our own capitulation.
Do you see millions of poor migrating into Saudi Arabia or Iran? The UN is now under control of the OIC and these people are experts of Eastern tactics and all of them watch You Tube and so they watch your show and the Yuri Bezmenov videos and know exactly what to do to appear uninvolved or to look like victims. Communism, fascism, socialism and Islam all look the same when your property is getting 'redistributed'
It's an invasion.
1. clear vision of how nationalism not only isn't the same thing as nazism (contrary to collectivist propaganda), but could be an exact opposite of it. 2. overcoming often invisible but always fatal (at least historically) disagreements among christians (and then, hopefully, disagreements among other monotheistic religions). two things america needs to prevail in long run.
keep up with critical hits, james lindsay.
Why does it matter if Christians agree or not? And why does that matter more than other monotheistic religions? And why are non-monotheistic religions not even considered?
@@setsen337 i'm not really favoring one religious group here, but overviewing history and what worked, what didn't worked, what seemed like it's working but weakened over time, and what seemed like it's not working but strengthened over time. that's of course a wide subject (to put it lightly), not for a youtube comment.
@@VM-hl8ms That's fair, it is a wide subject. I'm just not sure what you're envisioning, because I don't see the connection between getting Christian theology settled and America prevailing in the long run.
@@setsen337 technically, it's what i'm trying to draw attention to, things that traditionally are not obvious. especially for american mass consciousness. for example, not like europe or middle east, they haven't went through actual clash of nationalism and nazism.
I went to the Christian Nationalists for dietary advice, then I witnessed their waistlines.
I never cease to be amazed by how many people find it so necessary to make belonging to a group part of their individual identity. Or even the need to focus on their identity at all. Who I am never really crosses my mind. I identify myself to others strictly out of context of who I am speaking to. If I am describing who I am to my child's teacher, I am my child's father. Anything broader than that is irrelevant to me.
Anyway, all this just sounds to me like people using The Bible for a power grab. Pretty much a Christian version of the Taliban.
Nationalism is a Religion - that is a great book by Carlton Hays - BTY when they give you a passport (or other ID) - they frame you into their identity construct ... then use coercion to extract their 30 pieces of silver - ATB
If you’ve ever ventured onto the froggy forums… many of them idealize the Taliban.
I’ve been a Christian for 50 year. Where does this Christian Nationalism come from? Who are the leaders, what are their key books? Is it a thing?
A bunch of frustrated, marginalized, mostly young men that Frankensteined a belief system together from 4 Chan and RUclips grievance content.
They want to ideologically storm the institutions in a hostile takeover.
They presume to allegedly banner for the entirety of Christendom and the “Right”.
It’s like when the Evangelicals tried to co-opt Conservatism, and failed.
All the Evangelicals did was leave a Uni-party in governance.
The battle between Enlightenment Reason and the Counter Enlightenment Irrational reaction is still raging. Socialism and Christian Nationalism are both enemies of individual reason, and both resemble a return to feudalism more than anything one might call innovation. Unfortunately, feudalism is arguable the most persistent structure of society since humans invented agriculture. It is an up hill battle, but I believe liberalism and reason are worth defending. Keep up the good work!
The name Stephen Wolfe reminds me of Steppenwolf, the greek demon god. Helps me remember which one is the "greater wolf". Just an idea lol
This is the first time I've been wishing for a sequel to "WTF is SEL":
Voluntary community and physical ability to defend one’s self and one’s community would be the only way to emolument any form of government that doesn’t squash and turn tyrannical. Divide into smaller and smaller government. County government should have more power over the individuals of its domain that the federal. The federal should be involved only in the interactions of smaller governments.
I think this might be the first time I've heard, "nationist." It seems like it may server as an avoidance of using a controlled or weaponized term, but it's "nearness" also seems like it would be a problem and make difficult adoption/understanding (but I don't).
Though, also, a term that is defined more principally would be good like the alternatives terms within "DEI," rather then the phenomenon based term which is widely known and defined for it's extortion thereof.
Another term, you mention being "atheist." Is it not interesting that the institutional and popular definition for "agnostic" is not only "not knowing it God/gods exist," but also "being not Religious, but not Atheist." It rather highlights that Atheist is not enough the atheist belief, but must be an assertion and knowing that God/gods do not exist.
So in your not telling people their faith, you would neither be a good "Atheist." No-one thinks over or considers that there maybe or could be "agnostic atheists" only vaguely "agnostic faithful."
Im 35 minutes in and im tracking some of the concerns and criticisms; psy op, walking onto lefts trap and fascism leaving a vacuum of liberties for the Left to resume power.
The challenge is that as an atheist, whats your alternative? We came from star dust, climbed out of primordial soup to live as souless material organisms?
If there isnt a strong cohesive world view of what and who we are, why we're here, they'll win.
You would be more impactful teaching repentance, the coming Kingdom of God and moral objectivity along side what you teach on CRT, EI etc. Of course you woild need to desire to lnow God yourself. I pray you do and thank you for your important work. Shalom.