Patrick! at this point I'm a broken record but I love the content and glad the unit went to STH. Super jelly that you were able to get your hands on a G8 with 2.5GBE! But again glad it went to STH. Keep up the amazing content.
Edited to add other tidbitts 4:28 If any of you were wondering what that little keyboard symbol is there for, in many of these enterprise computers you can power on the system by a key combination. This is rather handy if the computer is in a public space and locked/hidden away to prevent theft of network intrusion Or if it is in a harsh environment and it is enclosed to protect it from dust, debris, and conductive/corrosive chemicals/liquids 5:28 This USB port also appears to be the more expensive version that allows for the system to be powered by USB-C instead of the barrel jack, though, they may not sell the non-powered version any more. 14:30, i was surprized the 5650GE outperformed the 4750GE in many of these workloads, i thought most of the instances of 5600G beating the 4700G was due to it technically using more power, and being limited by thermals, i expected the 4750GE to pull ahead of the 5650GE, Will have to test my M75Q Gen2 4750GE here in a bit to see if it comes goes over 55W, though i do have a hot SSD and a fast HDD 16:07 I actually had pretty much the same experience when ordering my M75Q Gen2. It estimated ~2 weeks delivery, but my first order in december got canceled and i dont seem to have gotten a notice, my second order took almost 2 months to get here, not 2 weeks. At least i got 45% off for lenovo's .......... 25 year anniversary? Cant beat a whole computer with a 4750GE coming in at under $500 It is my dream to have USB-C KVMs that provide power and ethernet to the computer/laptop over the same cable that carries the video keyboard and mouse. I'm in education and have to image ALOT of computers/laptops quite often, laptops are a real problem because every time we have to do a full re-image we have to supply network to each laptop for the imaging process, where as the desktops can be imaged in place.
couldn't you just use a POE attached to a KVM???? that would be all in one wire... at least I think I've seen KVM over an ethernet wire.... I know that Level1Techs sells KVM boxes and I THINK it's over eth and they MIGHT do POE...... but I'm not sure about it all being on USB-C... it would be able to handle it for sure, but it's just a matter of finding someone that does it.. you could always create one yourself if you have the knowhow lol - I know there are plenty of people here on youtube that know how to do all that stuff, could be worth looking into... heck maybe you could create a new product :)
@@Nobe_Oddy I only mentioned my needs for a USB-C KVM, i did leave other benifits out Enterprises would probably love a KVM like this because it could be integrated into the BMC/OOBM/IPMI. Sure a server wouldnt need power supplied from the KVM(though that could keep the OOBM active during a power failure) But having the KVM, provide network, means that the KVM, and OOBM can eithger be on the management VLAN, or, for more secure production, on a completely isolated network. The other part of this is my desire is to get rid of the stupidly expensive KVM cables and or adapters. We currently use a 36 port cat6 KVM for imaging labs and laptops, and older 16 port for servers. But these both require an adapter box at the other end depending on the port you want, and sadly, instead of being a single USB-C cable, you can only get *video port of choice* plus 1 USB port for the adapter power(no data) and 1 USB port for data(a pain on laptops with 1 USBA port or only one on each side) Of note PoE+ is limited to 28w, where as USB-C can deliver more than 100w, and while these computers wont be pulling 40w+ most of the time, there will be short bursts where it needs this much power. Also i think i asked Wendel in a live stream and currently there arent many devices outside of laptops, and this one HP desktop that support USB-C power delivery. Until servers and desktops have USB-C as standard, we wont be seeing USB-C KVMs, let alone KVMs that provide power though it would be a simple and not too costly add(only maybe +$200 BOM cost).
Agreed. HP should definitely not be selling systems that they are not promptly capable of building and shipping. If your waiting on hardware for a refresh/new hires, etc. Having a hardware vendor that cant deliver is definitely a pain.
I wonder if this is made in Foxconn Mexico like their desktops. HP seems to have limited control over their desktop production. They "request" the factory do things and seem to just relay estimates.
I LOVE the fact that you're going to be looking at the Minisforum HX90. I got mine maybe about a week ago and so far, I am absolutely LOVING it! It's bigger than the 1L ProjectTinyMiniMicro nodes, but for its size, it is an absolute powerhouse! It's got a 2.5 GbE NIC built-in, WiFi 6 (I think), and I put 64 GB of DDR4-3200 RAM into my system, so it's now rocking 9 VMs on it and I can't push it hard enough, even with HPC/CAE workloads, to get it to thermal throttle (unlike the smaller Intel NUCs, which can thermal throttle at near idle).
I had a similar situation the order in Oct and the said Nov 2021 delivery and they knew it was backlogged until Jan 2022, and took my money and not until I called in December did I find out, and their page still says the same month. Plus what gets me angry about it, is the warranty is based on purchase date, since that is what receipt will say not of received date, so losing 1/4 of your warranty sucks.
I love the elite desk mini. I have two now. G3 and a G4. Whisper quiet and perfect for general stuff. The G4 runs my DJ software. I think I need more thou, I don’t know why yet but I’ll need more. Thank you for the great content. Have you clustered these into a mini beast?
I've always loved the HP EliteDesk Line. I only have a few different G2 and G3 models, but hoping to pick up a 6 or 8 model soon! Thanks for the video brother!
I almost waited 10(!) month ( not weeks or days) to finally get my ryzen 5850U elite book from HP. I ordered it in may 2021 and it was delivered early this week. HP > NEVER AGAIN
We use Dell Optiplex systems at work. I recently got the 3060 for my home office. When I was in the office I had a 3040 and dang that's a difference. From 4GB RAM and a 500GB 5400RPM HDD to 8GB and 256GB NVMe. Imagine not having to wait 30 - 45 minutes for the system to boot. (Takes longer anyway because it boot's from the network.) But yeah they are decent. Edit* Also from an I3 to an I5
I had win10 installations go through in under 5 minutes, which is longer than it used to take me just to boot some older systems... fun how some of these things evolve
I remember moving on from an HDD to an SSD many years ago, and damn was it a difference. When I got a new work laptop last year, it came with just an HDD. I kept nagging them until they fitted it with an SSD, because I just can no longer bear booting from HDD. (And yes, I know you can swap an HDD to Sata SSD pretty easily, but since it was a work laptop you need to get permission and stuff, so I might as well let them do it)
@@CarthagoMike feel that. We are not allowed to do anything on the PC's. When we reboot them everything get's reset so no changes are saved (not even the default browser. We are supposed to use chrome but ofc windows defaults to edge so when we reboot fun time changing everything again. Also darkmode.) Reason why no one ever restarts a PC at work. Took me 5 month now to get this PC and I'm not gonna give it up.
I remember walking into meetings on single core HDD laptops, starting a few minutes early, and never getting the PowerPoint up for the entire meeting waiting for stuff to load
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Ah yes. I still have some of those Pentium M laptops around with those weird 2.5inch IDE slots. Can't use them because I can't find a poweradapter for them.
Ordered the 805 G6 DM 4750GE16GB/512GBPC partly on the back of this (thanks), 2 things you maybe interested in (I'm in the UK) the top is solid without the extra ventilation, also there is no sata tray inside, guess that maybe part of the same decision. Purchased direct from HP along with 2 flex IO cards (HDMI / USB).
Sorry - I didn't see comments and didn't hear (unless I missed it) you mentioning that with that FLEX #1 and that USB-C with DP Alt Mode, you can run 100W from the monitor to power the device itself, which doesn't need external power. Really cool! Been using that for a while
good point about hp taking your money when they cant deliver. it's what you expect from an unknown seller perhaps but you would expect a company like hp to do better
Chip shortages the lead times are all +months for all the manufacturers and is completely unpredictable, however given that they have this knowledge they should really add a notice before payment.
do we need a dual nic setup for a TrueNAS cluster? I can't believe we haven't been presented yet in this series a platform offering ECC RAM :( By the way thanks Patrick
Hi. Thanks for the informative video, really good of you to guide we viewers. 1) Any info on a mini/micro system with an epyc CPU? 2) the system you showed does it slow ECC RAM? Many thanks in advance.
i have the HP Elitedesk 800 g4 with the i5 8600t. It runs a bit toasty for my liking, even with new thermal paste. Wish there were some different heatsink options. Maybe ill mod the case and put a fan on top.
10:59 I works so well in these due to the AMD processor and how well it works with their IGPU and IF, in the intel versions id imagine the gains from going dual 3200 are mostly lost.
I think there are shipping problems not a single tech thing that wasn’t a stocked item came with less a months delay. I am still waiting for a deskmini i ordered February
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I mean shipping for components, chips, PSUs and the like. Gotta be hard to produce if you are missing components to do so. Usually their suppliers do have insufficient stock or are overloaded and HP (for you) or Asrock (for me) have no clue when the missing components will be in. But I understand it's frustrating if the manufacturer claims ETAs that are never real but I think in the current situation they can only tell you "unknown" which would make more people not buy.
I'm trying to buy one now, and only the G6's and G9's are available. Only configurable with Intel processors. Could be Intel up to their Antitrust Shenanigans. Website says "AMD EliteDesk 805 G6 Coming Soon."
Hey Patrick, regarding HP taking your money for stuff they can't fulfill - yeah, scummy. get your money back! had a similar experience last week with trying to order a RB4011iGS+RM from Rowe Networks, they _don't even have a restock date_ but still took my money, plus the extra $25 for next-day shipping.
I ordered the HP EliteDesk 805 G8 SFF based on those initial comments - I would love to know your thoughts once you get it in and had time to test it. I was torn between a barebones 5900HX system vs the 5750G Pro. Also, did you ever get ESXi running on AMD hardware? I've been playing with both ESXi 7 and the latest Proxmox VE (with nested virtualization in VMWare Workstation). I will say that I really like being able to run ESXi VMs from within VMWare Workstation and it doesn't look like I have a similar capability with Proxmox (at least for Desktop OSes). Considering doing a dual/triple boot for various HomeLab configs.
Hrmm. Its fairly pricey for a 4000 series system. I think I'd kinda prefer something like the Beelink GT-R PRO 3550H or 3750H in that class, even though its one generation lower. I've gotten really good mileage out of those two. And there is also the GTR5 5900HX which is exactly what it sounds like. A mini-pc with a 5900HX in it (8 cores, 16 threads). And all of those Beelinks have two ethernet ports (though still 1Gbe). p.s. are you sure that's two M.2 slots? Usually the AMD mini-PC's have one M.2, one M.SATA, and then one or two 2.5" SATA ports. -Matt
So the BeeLink GTR5 was like $60 less than the 805 G8 Mini when I ordered the G8. It is pretty hard to tell people to get a GTR5 when the G8 had the 1660 Ti configured and an on-site warranty. When they raised prices of the GTR5 it became a much worse value. Still, that is why we are expanding the series
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yah, I've noticed the price hikes. Though for my purposes a hundred bucks isn't going to matter a whole lot because I always replace the inside NVMe drive, usually add a 2.5" SSD for bulk storage, and replace the memory with ECC. Another thing I noticed, at least in the Beelinks, is that the SSD included with the unit is no-name junk. I wonder if that is the same for these other brands. To be perfectly honest, I don't particularly trust HP or Dell to be able to produce anything decent any more these days. Dell seems hell-bent on consumer lock-in. and HPs require a complete wipe and freshly purchased reinstall of retail windows to get rid of the insane amounts of junkware that they pre-install. -Matt
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I usually don't even care about the GPU, it is almost irrelevant with these power envelopes. Its power budget is going to be tiny, like 20W at best for anything that runs for more than few seconds. Well, that would be a good test to do actually. Throw a kill-a-watt on the brick and see just how much power these mini-PCs can sustain. The Beelinks can pull 60W only for a second or two, then typically drop down to 35W. But they will all work great for any desktop type of stuff. Anyone who wants to seriously play AAA games will have a dedicated gaming rig. -Matt
Is there a remote access (a la vPro or BMC) available for this type of device? Would be great to be able to remote restart the machine, particularly if using as K3/K8s node.
I'd imagine the only chance of one would be from SuperMicro if they make one. EDIT: Ahh as noted below, if you meant with Intel CPU's yes you can get vPro. I've got a Lenovo tiny (m910q) with vPro, but haven't found it reliable when using it with Proxmox. On mine the IP with the vPro just disappears/stops responding after awhile. So, YMMV.
I'm a fan of the HP 1Ls but these HP Ryzen models are good until their not. The integrated GPU fails eventually leaving you down to one working display port even if you have an additional display port attached thru the PCI express slot. Literally on my 4th one at work.
It looks like they offer 2.5GbE RJ45 for both slots. Does that mean that these will be able to use both at the same time to make it a great candidate for a 2.5 GbE pfSense router when the price eventually comes down on the used market?
i will be interested in these once i can run em off my 60w USB PD Brick wich powers my thinkpad just fine why do i stilll need a proprietary brick for this tiny pc if a USB PD solution would be more user friendly and compact also these tiny systems are up to 2 grand, yikes id accept it at 1/5th of the price
hey would you be willing to see if you can put these newer 5000 series apu's in some of the older hp mini systems?? I have a 705 G5 with a Ryzen 5 Pro 3400g Apu while I am not completely sold on changing it to a newer Apu mostly because the Gpu side is actually down graded on the newer ones (11 cores vs 7-9 on newer) I want to do some video and graphics editing which is a bit more cpu hungry then just gaming boosting the 3400g ram to 3200mhz makes it hang right there even with the newer Ryzen Apu's in the range of 1-4fps avg so not worth the upgrade for gaming
Generally I would advise against upgrading these. Especially if the CPUs came from Lenovo systems that PSB vendor lock. Often these systems only work with the generations they are sold with. It is different than consumer motherboards since TMM nodes are designed to be sold as complete systems. There are Ryzen 5000 series systems now as well
HP, like many companies or individuals doing business, will take the greatest advantage in order to secure profits! Is it good business practices or an ethical way of handling customers money...NO, but that doesn't stop businesses and individuals from doing so. As a well known and experienced company like HP, this is very disappointing to hear. I have been using HP products for years...others may have differences of opinion but I would prefer HP over others, especially their business class of machines. I have never dealt directly with HP customer service, but to hear something like this may be disappointing but not very surprising! I have two HP elitedesk 800 G2 minis and two HP elitedesk 800 Ultra Small Desk Top units, I just sold my HP elitedesk 800 Small Form Factor. All of which I am completely satisfied with and have never had any problems. I just wouldn't deal directly with a Customer Service Dept of a company to order anything if this is possible. Sales people can be very questionable!
I bought the 805 G6 with the 1660ti a month before the G8 was announced. Could you please try a Ryzen 5000 CPU on the G6 after having the BIOS up to date to see if it will work? I really want to get a 5750GE to replace my 4750GE for double the cache! I would really appreciate it if I got an answer
I just picked up an i5 6500 G3 mini 65w for 120 AUD (~80 USD). Whats the value proposition/use case for spending $1700-$2000 USD on such a system. Is it just the form factor, or is there actually a benefit rather than spending that much on a normal sized itx or matx system? Genuinely can’t wrap my head around it.
Hi! may I ask for some advice? should I take Lenovo Thinkcentre m720q or dell optiplex 3080? both with corei5 10th gen cpu, 8gb ddr4ram and 256gb ssd. we are planning to get one for our Father. thanks in advance
i think this is a bit of an unfair comparison against Lenovo, thinkstation tiny models do have things like dual m2 ssd, noticed this series does not cover those models which are higher end and are comparable in cost to HP
We did the Intel M90q Tiny and the Gen 2 that have dual M.2. You can also see the AMD M75q Gen2 reviews linked. They do not. Lenovo positions AMD boxes lower.
Yes. We have the P340 Tiny in the queue. It is similar to the M90q with a dGPU. The 805 G8 I showed has 1GbE+2.5GbE, dual m.2, and a 1660 Ti. I am excited to show that one too
Hi, I have same model with Ryzen 4650, but its run in to a problem with no power light and not switching on. I tryed removing memory module, disk drives etc still no response. I pushed the power botton for 4 second and 11 seconds remove any static if there any. Nothing works for me yet. If anybody have any clue?
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I cannot wait. So much compute, in such a small package. Its too bad Apple doesnt offer the M1 Pro/Max in the Mac Mini, once linux works on M1 those would be amazing compute nodes.
@@ServeTheHomeVideoI would personally find it interesting to have a cross platform cluster video. Even if it is just how to set up a TDARR cluster on different OSs
@@marvintpandroid2213 look if you're just doing word processing and video conferencing you'll be fine with the most basic systems. The most important thing to look for is SSD storage, you'll feel that the most.
Personally, the Core i5-8500T feel like the best units value wise. We are doing newer units with the expectation that they hit the used market in a few years
I bought one of these off Mercari and wasnt disclosed that it had a bios password on it. I can boot from usb and just to the hard drive. I just cant ever update the bios or do any type of changes in the bios without knowing the password. HP will not budge on helping me because im not the original owner of the system.. All i can find is how to reset HP's Mini's below a G6 like a g5 and lower there is jumpers on MB to reset it. THe G6's and above I can't find any info on it or a jumper. Anyone know how i can bypass this? thanks.
I hate the "elite" book hp series. great overall build quality but horrible battery/screen/keyboard/trackpad quality. I have one at work and I have never used it as a laptop before. E-waste straight from the factory.
The M1 Mac Mini is great, I have three of them, but there are times when the lack of memory, even on the 16GB/10GbE version is very noticeable even with tasks like web browsing with multiple tabs. That is also the reason I swapped the 13" MBP with the M1 for the M1 Max 64GB 14" MBP.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo quite strange to be honest :) personally I think 16 gb version is sweet spot, and I use laptop with that much memory and a s a developer dont see much problems with that. But M1 Max is definitely on more expensive side of the things:) M1 (without MAX or Ultra) seems to be the sweet spot, bcs I dont see much difference from benchmarks to be honest.The only thing that keeps me from migrating rn is package compatibility (lots of old packages that r not compatible with M1) so I guess I will jump ship on M2 Mac Mini (no Max or Ultra) :)
Classic HP, their ordering and support system must be still on paper, operated by underpaid indian youths that disguise themselves as "automation" to the client
@@ServeTheHomeVideo nice but i need a micro pc coz i dnt have pc n i watch ur channel regularly so f u can giveaway a tiny mini micro dell 65 watt 7060 it will more appreciating for me tnx
gonna comment before I watch that it's a mediocre pc. I have a Dell G7 7700 and a SanDisk G pro external SSD so anything with a "G" means halfway decent in my opinion.
Patrick! at this point I'm a broken record but I love the content and glad the unit went to STH. Super jelly that you were able to get your hands on a G8 with 2.5GBE! But again glad it went to STH. Keep up the amazing content.
Thank you again for helping on this one
Thanks Jose 👍
I bought a HP 800g2 with 6500T today here in Hyderabad, India after seeing your review.
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4:28 If any of you were wondering what that little keyboard symbol is there for, in many of these enterprise computers you can power on the system by a key combination. This is rather handy if the computer is in a public space and locked/hidden away to prevent theft of network intrusion
Or if it is in a harsh environment and it is enclosed to protect it from dust, debris, and conductive/corrosive chemicals/liquids
5:28 This USB port also appears to be the more expensive version that allows for the system to be powered by USB-C instead of the barrel jack, though, they may not sell the non-powered version any more.
14:30, i was surprized the 5650GE outperformed the 4750GE in many of these workloads, i thought most of the instances of 5600G beating the 4700G was due to it technically using more power, and being limited by thermals, i expected the 4750GE to pull ahead of the 5650GE, Will have to test my M75Q Gen2 4750GE here in a bit to see if it comes goes over 55W, though i do have a hot SSD and a fast HDD
16:07 I actually had pretty much the same experience when ordering my M75Q Gen2. It estimated ~2 weeks delivery, but my first order in december got canceled and i dont seem to have gotten a notice, my second order took almost 2 months to get here, not 2 weeks. At least i got 45% off for lenovo's .......... 25 year anniversary? Cant beat a whole computer with a 4750GE coming in at under $500
It is my dream to have USB-C KVMs that provide power and ethernet to the computer/laptop over the same cable that carries the video keyboard and mouse. I'm in education and have to image ALOT of computers/laptops quite often, laptops are a real problem because every time we have to do a full re-image we have to supply network to each laptop for the imaging process, where as the desktops can be imaged in place.
couldn't you just use a POE attached to a KVM???? that would be all in one wire... at least I think I've seen KVM over an ethernet wire.... I know that Level1Techs sells KVM boxes and I THINK it's over eth and they MIGHT do POE...... but I'm not sure about it all being on USB-C... it would be able to handle it for sure, but it's just a matter of finding someone that does it.. you could always create one yourself if you have the knowhow lol - I know there are plenty of people here on youtube that know how to do all that stuff, could be worth looking into... heck maybe you could create a new product :)
@@Nobe_Oddy I only mentioned my needs for a USB-C KVM, i did leave other benifits out
Enterprises would probably love a KVM like this because it could be integrated into the BMC/OOBM/IPMI. Sure a server wouldnt need power supplied from the KVM(though that could keep the OOBM active during a power failure) But having the KVM, provide network, means that the KVM, and OOBM can eithger be on the management VLAN, or, for more secure production, on a completely isolated network.
The other part of this is my desire is to get rid of the stupidly expensive KVM cables and or adapters. We currently use a 36 port cat6 KVM for imaging labs and laptops, and older 16 port for servers. But these both require an adapter box at the other end depending on the port you want, and sadly, instead of being a single USB-C cable, you can only get *video port of choice* plus 1 USB port for the adapter power(no data) and 1 USB port for data(a pain on laptops with 1 USBA port or only one on each side)
Of note PoE+ is limited to 28w, where as USB-C can deliver more than 100w, and while these computers wont be pulling 40w+ most of the time, there will be short bursts where it needs this much power.
Also i think i asked Wendel in a live stream and currently there arent many devices outside of laptops, and this one HP desktop that support USB-C power delivery. Until servers and desktops have USB-C as standard, we wont be seeing USB-C KVMs, let alone KVMs that provide power though it would be a simple and not too costly add(only maybe +$200 BOM cost).
Got 1L Sixth Gen Intel as MediaPlayer attached to 4K TV. Fantastic machine. Silent, low power. Love it.
Agreed. HP should definitely not be selling systems that they are not promptly capable of building and shipping. If your waiting on hardware for a refresh/new hires, etc. Having a hardware vendor that cant deliver is definitely a pain.
I wonder if this is made in Foxconn Mexico like their desktops. HP seems to have limited control over their desktop production. They "request" the factory do things and seem to just relay estimates.
I am looking forward to new videos on other ryzen mini PCs. Great job!
I LOVE the fact that you're going to be looking at the Minisforum HX90.
I got mine maybe about a week ago and so far, I am absolutely LOVING it!
It's bigger than the 1L ProjectTinyMiniMicro nodes, but for its size, it is an absolute powerhouse!
It's got a 2.5 GbE NIC built-in, WiFi 6 (I think), and I put 64 GB of DDR4-3200 RAM into my system, so it's now rocking 9 VMs on it and I can't push it hard enough, even with HPC/CAE workloads, to get it to thermal throttle (unlike the smaller Intel NUCs, which can thermal throttle at near idle).
This series has peaked my interest especially since I'm working on building my own homelab. Saw some of these HP Elitedesk refurbished on Newegg.
I you can't sell people an option...don't list it....it's pretty simple.
Well, Apple has my post-launch event Mac Studio Ultra 128GB slated for mid/ late May delivery. So they can sell it... but 2+ months away.
Yes! small vendors really deserve more attention!
First comment on a video for me, ever. I may need a life better than looking for the ultimate mini PC 😂. I need more Ethernet.
I had a similar situation the order in Oct and the said Nov 2021 delivery and they knew it was backlogged until Jan 2022, and took my money and not until I called in December did I find out, and their page still says the same month. Plus what gets me angry about it, is the warranty is based on purchase date, since that is what receipt will say not of received date, so losing 1/4 of your warranty sucks.
After you get it you can call support and have the warranty date corrected.
@@mrfrenzy. This wasn't an HP product but just things are backed ordered and yet they charge you when ordering and not when it ships
I can't wait for 2024 when this one is finally under $200 :)
Always most important thing: What about fan noise under full load?
I love the elite desk mini. I have two now. G3 and a G4. Whisper quiet and perfect for general stuff. The G4 runs my DJ software. I think I need more thou, I don’t know why yet but I’ll need more. Thank you for the great content. Have you clustered these into a mini beast?
I've always loved the HP EliteDesk Line.
I only have a few different G2 and G3 models, but hoping to pick up a 6 or 8 model soon!
Thanks for the video brother!
I almost waited 10(!) month ( not weeks or days) to finally get my ryzen 5850U elite book from HP. I ordered it in may 2021 and it was delivered early this week. HP > NEVER AGAIN
Wow! That is bad
Should have canceled or returned or at least got a discount
Looking forward to reviews from other makers, lets give these three some competition to wake them up.
We use Dell Optiplex systems at work. I recently got the 3060 for my home office. When I was in the office I had a 3040 and dang that's a difference. From 4GB RAM and a 500GB 5400RPM HDD to 8GB and 256GB NVMe. Imagine not having to wait 30 - 45 minutes for the system to boot. (Takes longer anyway because it boot's from the network.) But yeah they are decent.
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Also from an I3 to an I5
I had win10 installations go through in under 5 minutes, which is longer than it used to take me just to boot some older systems... fun how some of these things evolve
I remember moving on from an HDD to an SSD many years ago, and damn was it a difference.
When I got a new work laptop last year, it came with just an HDD. I kept nagging them until they fitted it with an SSD, because I just can no longer bear booting from HDD.
(And yes, I know you can swap an HDD to Sata SSD pretty easily, but since it was a work laptop you need to get permission and stuff, so I might as well let them do it)
@@CarthagoMike feel that. We are not allowed to do anything on the PC's. When we reboot them everything get's reset so no changes are saved (not even the default browser. We are supposed to use chrome but ofc windows defaults to edge so when we reboot fun time changing everything again. Also darkmode.) Reason why no one ever restarts a PC at work. Took me 5 month now to get this PC and I'm not gonna give it up.
I remember walking into meetings on single core HDD laptops, starting a few minutes early, and never getting the PowerPoint up for the entire meeting waiting for stuff to load
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Ah yes. I still have some of those Pentium M laptops around with those weird 2.5inch IDE slots. Can't use them because I can't find a poweradapter for them.
Ordered the 805 G6 DM 4750GE16GB/512GBPC partly on the back of this (thanks), 2 things you maybe interested in (I'm in the UK) the top is solid without the extra ventilation, also there is no sata tray inside, guess that maybe part of the same decision. Purchased direct from HP along with 2 flex IO cards (HDMI / USB).
Sorry - I didn't see comments and didn't hear (unless I missed it) you mentioning that with that FLEX #1 and that USB-C with DP Alt Mode, you can run 100W from the monitor to power the device itself, which doesn't need external power. Really cool! Been using that for a while
good point about hp taking your money when they cant deliver. it's what you expect from an unknown seller perhaps but you would expect a company like hp to do better
Chip shortages the lead times are all +months for all the manufacturers and is completely unpredictable, however given that they have this knowledge they should really add a notice before payment.
I totally get lead times, but HP knows and is using bogus dates.
If they offered a 10 Gbit/s network option for the FlexPorts that would be amazing!
Please also review the Steam Deck! It kind of a mini PC as well 😊
I made the mistake of pre-ordering the higher end model
Really awesome, perfect video.
Great overview. Thanks so much for sharing.
Great review, as always, thank you!
do we need a dual nic setup for a TrueNAS cluster?
I can't believe we haven't been presented yet in this series a platform offering ECC RAM :(
By the way thanks Patrick
It is more of a case where the TMM category does not support ECC.
Hi. Thanks for the informative video, really good of you to guide we viewers. 1) Any info on a mini/micro system with an epyc CPU? 2) the system you showed does it slow ECC RAM? Many thanks in advance.
No ECC and EPYC 7000 basically does not fit in 1L
I like how you nail 15 digit alphanumeric server models and then question is you got the 6 digit Ryzen pro consumer name right. Hahaha.
Rough days!
i have the HP Elitedesk 800 g4 with the i5 8600t. It runs a bit toasty for my liking, even with new thermal paste. Wish there were some different heatsink options. Maybe ill mod the case and put a fan on top.
10:59 I works so well in these due to the AMD processor and how well it works with their IGPU and IF, in the intel versions id imagine the gains from going dual 3200 are mostly lost.
Great stuff, Patrick!
I think there are shipping problems not a single tech thing that wasn’t a stocked item came with less a months delay. I am still waiting for a deskmini i ordered February
If it was just shipping, then I would expect to see the units built and ready for shipping
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I mean shipping for components, chips, PSUs and the like. Gotta be hard to produce if you are missing components to do so. Usually their suppliers do have insufficient stock or are overloaded and HP (for you) or Asrock (for me) have no clue when the missing components will be in. But I understand it's frustrating if the manufacturer claims ETAs that are never real but I think in the current situation they can only tell you "unknown" which would make more people not buy.
Could you please share the 2.5Gb NIC part number? i want to see if i can get one from HP.
I'm trying to buy one now, and only the G6's and G9's are available. Only configurable with Intel processors. Could be Intel up to their Antitrust Shenanigans. Website says
"AMD EliteDesk 805 G6 Coming Soon."
Hey Patrick, regarding HP taking your money for stuff they can't fulfill - yeah, scummy. get your money back!
had a similar experience last week with trying to order a RB4011iGS+RM from Rowe Networks, they _don't even have a restock date_ but still took my money, plus the extra $25 for next-day shipping.
Actually, they did not let me cancel one of them and are not shipping it. Horrid. Worst since ShopBLT
HP has been doing that accross the board on all business and enterprise gear.
I ordered the HP EliteDesk 805 G8 SFF based on those initial comments - I would love to know your thoughts once you get it in and had time to test it. I was torn between a barebones 5900HX system vs the 5750G Pro. Also, did you ever get ESXi running on AMD hardware? I've been playing with both ESXi 7 and the latest Proxmox VE (with nested virtualization in VMWare Workstation). I will say that I really like being able to run ESXi VMs from within VMWare Workstation and it doesn't look like I have a similar capability with Proxmox (at least for Desktop OSes). Considering doing a dual/triple boot for various HomeLab configs.
Hrmm. Its fairly pricey for a 4000 series system. I think I'd kinda prefer something like the Beelink GT-R PRO 3550H or 3750H in that class, even though its one generation lower. I've gotten really good mileage out of those two.
And there is also the GTR5 5900HX which is exactly what it sounds like. A mini-pc with a 5900HX in it (8 cores, 16 threads). And all of those Beelinks have two ethernet ports (though still 1Gbe).
p.s. are you sure that's two M.2 slots? Usually the AMD mini-PC's have one M.2, one M.SATA, and then one or two 2.5" SATA ports.
-Matt
So the BeeLink GTR5 was like $60 less than the 805 G8 Mini when I ordered the G8. It is pretty hard to tell people to get a GTR5 when the G8 had the 1660 Ti configured and an on-site warranty. When they raised prices of the GTR5 it became a much worse value.
Still, that is why we are expanding the series
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yah, I've noticed the price hikes. Though for my purposes a hundred bucks isn't going to matter a whole lot because I always replace the inside NVMe drive, usually add a 2.5" SSD for bulk storage, and replace the memory with ECC.
Another thing I noticed, at least in the Beelinks, is that the SSD included with the unit is no-name junk. I wonder if that is the same for these other brands. To be perfectly honest, I don't particularly trust HP or Dell to be able to produce anything decent any more these days. Dell seems hell-bent on consumer lock-in. and HPs require a complete wipe and freshly purchased reinstall of retail windows to get rid of the insane amounts of junkware that they pre-install.
-Matt
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I usually don't even care about the GPU, it is almost irrelevant with these power envelopes. Its power budget is going to be tiny, like 20W at best for anything that runs for more than few seconds.
Well, that would be a good test to do actually. Throw a kill-a-watt on the brick and see just how much power these mini-PCs can sustain. The Beelinks can pull 60W only for a second or two, then typically drop down to 35W.
But they will all work great for any desktop type of stuff. Anyone who wants to seriously play AAA games will have a dedicated gaming rig.
-Matt
Two cables run from the M.2 Wifi/BT card. The Wifi cable goes to the back and there to the antenna.
Where is the BT cable connected?
I would love to see the configs you picked, maybe a link on the foums?
Will have the 805 G8 soon enough. I have just been to Barcelona, Munich, and Calgary over the past two weeks
Is there a remote access (a la vPro or BMC) available for this type of device? Would be great to be able to remote restart the machine, particularly if using as K3/K8s node.
I'd imagine the only chance of one would be from SuperMicro if they make one.
EDIT: Ahh as noted below, if you meant with Intel CPU's yes you can get vPro. I've got a Lenovo tiny (m910q) with vPro, but haven't found it reliable when using it with Proxmox. On mine the IP with the vPro just disappears/stops responding after awhile. So, YMMV.
Depends on the model, but yes the Intel models can equip vPro
Check out AMD DASH
I'm a fan of the HP 1Ls but these HP Ryzen models are good until their not. The integrated GPU fails eventually leaving you down to one working display port even if you have an additional display port attached thru the PCI express slot. Literally on my 4th one at work.
just today i moved all my windows server stuff onto a Lenovo m92p.
It looks like they offer 2.5GbE RJ45 for both slots. Does that mean that these will be able to use both at the same time to make it a great candidate for a 2.5 GbE pfSense router when the price eventually comes down on the used market?
I think it is only in the FlexIO v2 but those are hard to get. Even backordered oh the HP parts explorer
i will be interested in these once i can run em off my 60w USB PD Brick wich powers my thinkpad just fine
why do i stilll need a proprietary brick for this tiny pc if a USB PD solution would be more user friendly and compact
also these tiny systems are up to 2 grand, yikes
id accept it at 1/5th of the price
If only it had one single 3.5 inch drive for deep storage.
When is HP going to provide 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports (40GBs) on Mini's?
hey would you be willing to see if you can put these newer 5000 series apu's in some of the older hp mini systems?? I have a 705 G5 with a Ryzen 5 Pro 3400g Apu while I am not completely sold on changing it to a newer Apu mostly because the Gpu side is actually down graded on the newer ones (11 cores vs 7-9 on newer) I want to do some video and graphics editing which is a bit more cpu hungry then just gaming boosting the 3400g ram to 3200mhz makes it hang right there even with the newer Ryzen Apu's in the range of 1-4fps avg so not worth the upgrade for gaming
Generally I would advise against upgrading these. Especially if the CPUs came from Lenovo systems that PSB vendor lock. Often these systems only work with the generations they are sold with. It is different than consumer motherboards since TMM nodes are designed to be sold as complete systems. There are Ryzen 5000 series systems now as well
Hi Patrick! I bought 1 of these 805 G6 second hand, I was wondering if the 1660 ti orderable or available anywhere else? Great review by the way!
Not that I am aware of. That would be harder to retrofit
@@ServeTheHomeVideo thanks! would love to hear your review of the 805 g8 with the 1660ti
Which vendor is honouring their delivery dates?
I somewhat mind less that they are late than that they do not update their website so are showing you a date they know is impossible
Guys, what are your thoughts about the Ryzen 3 Pro version. GE version is prefered?
You ever got to the bottom of this…. unit. Do these newer units have the VESA mount for use with an HP monitor stand?
Yes you can VESA mount. You can verify on the HP QuickSpecs.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Thank you!
"Micro machines! Micro machines! Micro machines!"
Where in the Neon God's Internet can I buy the HP GTX 1660 Ti Discrete GPU. I have search everywhere
HP, like many companies or individuals doing business, will take the greatest advantage in order to secure profits! Is it good business practices or an ethical way of handling customers money...NO, but that doesn't stop businesses and individuals from doing so. As a well known and experienced company like HP, this is very disappointing to hear. I have been using HP products for years...others may have differences of opinion but I would prefer HP over others, especially their business class of machines. I have never dealt directly with HP customer service, but to hear something like this may be disappointing but not very surprising! I have two HP elitedesk 800 G2 minis and two HP elitedesk 800 Ultra Small Desk Top units, I just sold my HP elitedesk 800 Small Form Factor. All of which I am completely satisfied with and have never had any problems. I just wouldn't deal directly with a Customer Service Dept of a company to order anything if this is possible. Sales people can be very questionable!
HELLO WHERE TO FIND A COMPATIBLE GRAPHICS CARD dgpu FOR THIS MODEL
I bought the 805 G6 with the 1660ti a month before the G8 was announced. Could you please try a Ryzen 5000 CPU on the G6 after having the BIOS up to date to see if it will work? I really want to get a 5750GE to replace my 4750GE for double the cache! I would really appreciate it if I got an answer
Make a video how to put gpu in this model.
We will have one with a GPU in the very similar 805 G8
@@ServeTheHomeVideo is the video done?
I just picked up an i5 6500 G3 mini 65w for 120 AUD (~80 USD). Whats the value proposition/use case for spending $1700-$2000 USD on such a system.
Is it just the form factor, or is there actually a benefit rather than spending that much on a normal sized itx or matx system?
Genuinely can’t wrap my head around it.
HP no longer selling AMD Minis. Not sure when or why they stopped.
Yea. Really interesting. Dell did not either.
Bet they regret that choice now
Thunderolt v1? Do you have any for sale? I need 1 for my G5
Where do you plug the 2nd fan under the cage?
Maybe HP will upgrade your order to mini G9 for free instead
Could you upgrade the 705 g4's CPU to this one?
Where do we get a flex io gtx1660ti for the 800g8 mini?
can we get dual 10gbe in these minis please :)
pfsense would be sweet on these
Hi! may I ask for some advice? should I take Lenovo Thinkcentre m720q or dell optiplex 3080? both with corei5 10th gen cpu, 8gb ddr4ram and 256gb ssd. we are planning to get one for our Father. thanks in advance
i think this is a bit of an unfair comparison against Lenovo, thinkstation tiny models do have things like dual m2 ssd, noticed this series does not cover those models which are higher end and are comparable in cost to HP
We did the Intel M90q Tiny and the Gen 2 that have dual M.2. You can also see the AMD M75q Gen2 reviews linked. They do not. Lenovo positions AMD boxes lower.
no worries i was referring to the P340/P350 series but both are intel only unfortunately
Yes. We have the P340 Tiny in the queue. It is similar to the M90q with a dGPU. The 805 G8 I showed has 1GbE+2.5GbE, dual m.2, and a 1660 Ti. I am excited to show that one too
Hi, I have same model with Ryzen 4650, but its run in to a problem with no power light and not switching on. I tryed removing memory module, disk drives etc still no response. I pushed the power botton for 4 second and 11 seconds remove any static if there any. Nothing works for me yet.
If anybody have any clue?
Dod you order the version with the Nvidia GTX 1660TI? I didnt see one(of the G6) with a 'quadro' but i think it would be amazing for a compute node.
I have a 805 G8 with the 5750GE and the 1660Ti
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I cannot wait. So much compute, in such a small package.
Its too bad Apple doesnt offer the M1 Pro/Max in the Mac Mini, once linux works on M1 those would be amazing compute nodes.
Well I think I have a $7k Mac Studio in order with an ETA of mid/late May
@@ServeTheHomeVideoI would personally find it interesting to have a cross platform cluster video. Even if it is just how to set up a TDARR cluster on different OSs
i need mini PC for graphic design
the rubber flaps over the m.2 drives, are they for heatsinking or... ?
That is the point it seems
What one of these tiny systems would be the cheapest but with enough power for a work system ?
That depends entirely on your work flow.
@@StefanoAgrotis Just general desktop stuff, word ect and light web / video conference
@@marvintpandroid2213 look if you're just doing word processing and video conferencing you'll be fine with the most basic systems.
The most important thing to look for is SSD storage, you'll feel that the most.
Personally, the Core i5-8500T feel like the best units value wise. We are doing newer units with the expectation that they hit the used market in a few years
@@ServeTheHomeVideo thank you.
Does the mainboard support raid by default since it has 2 m.2 slots for 2 ssd?
The only way to get a current gen HP system in a reasonable amount of time is via eBay. Just get ready to pay up.
ECC ram support? RAID 1?
Where can i get that GPU?
I bought one of these off Mercari and wasnt disclosed that it had a bios password on it. I can boot from usb and just to the hard drive. I just cant ever update the bios or do any type of changes in the bios without knowing the password. HP will not budge on helping me because im not the original owner of the system.. All i can find is how to reset HP's Mini's below a G6 like a g5 and lower there is jumpers on MB to reset it. THe G6's and above I can't find any info on it or a jumper. Anyone know how i can bypass this? thanks.
do you think there is any way to add external 3,5 drives? it would be nice to use this machine as low power nas
the company's doing hp support don't know what they are doing.
I hate the "elite" book hp series. great overall build quality but horrible battery/screen/keyboard/trackpad quality. I have one at work and I have never used it as a laptop before. E-waste straight from the factory.
Have you actually counted the times you say 'But before we get to that..." in your videos? Maybe cut back on that a bit.. eesh...
You are complaining about a delivery time of several months. The 805 even doesn't exists in the official German Hp store. This is poor.
DOWN WITH HP!!!! that is unacceptable!!! :)
Apple M1 Mac Mini is much better value, also much cheaper (quite shocking to say this for Apple)
The M1 Mac Mini is great, I have three of them, but there are times when the lack of memory, even on the 16GB/10GbE version is very noticeable even with tasks like web browsing with multiple tabs. That is also the reason I swapped the 13" MBP with the M1 for the M1 Max 64GB 14" MBP.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo quite strange to be honest :) personally I think 16 gb version is sweet spot, and I use laptop with that much memory and a s a developer dont see much problems with that. But M1 Max is definitely on more expensive side of the things:) M1 (without MAX or Ultra) seems to be the sweet spot, bcs I dont see much difference from benchmarks to be honest.The only thing that keeps me from migrating rn is package compatibility (lots of old packages that r not compatible with M1) so I guess I will jump ship on M2 Mac Mini (no Max or Ultra) :)
hp being shitty?
_HWAT A SURPRISE_
I've never had a good experience with HP. Just saying
Classic HP, their ordering and support system must be still on paper, operated by underpaid indian youths that disguise themselves as "automation" to the client
HP cooks socks in hell
Can u do give away
We should be announcing a RTX 3090 giveaway tomorrow or Tuesday on the STH main site
@@ServeTheHomeVideo nice but i need a micro pc coz i dnt have pc n i watch ur channel regularly so f u can giveaway a tiny mini micro dell 65 watt 7060 it will more appreciating for me tnx
It is not 8 but 6 core.
Show a system with 8 cores. Nobody makes 8 core of this size except Chinese in alibaba
The CPUs in 805 G6 are not PSB locked so we can upgrade.
805 G6 Ryzen 7 is an 8 core option.
gonna comment before I watch that it's a mediocre pc.
I have a Dell G7 7700 and a SanDisk G pro external SSD so anything with a "G" means halfway decent in my opinion.
I hate the HP minis. Period.
have you tried installing a 5600G on this computer?