"The promise was to be sure to ALL THE SEED" "When the fullness of the nations came in, ALL ISRAEL was saved." The "seed" to whom the PROMISE came to, was Israel. The glory, covenants, adoption and PROMISE belonged to ISRAEL. Jesus said he ONLY came for Israel. Israel is the ONLY ones standing in heaven at the end.
It’s amazing that people actually dislike this type of content when it’s so backed up by their precious book. The arguments here are well backed up and layered deep. Making it impossible to argue against. Looking forward to the roast!
Joanne, I can assure you the ones who dislike the videos are Joe Simpson, Bobbert Law loving Statzer, and that guy I call Donny Jr who is probably the identical twin of Larry the Cable guy but thinks he is John the Baptist reincarnated. These guys are dumber than rocks and have no arguments. I had to block Bobbert Law Lover because his extraneous comments to me were getting a bit too crazy. When you are neatly presenting points to someone and they repeatedly come back with 20 paragraph rants and 75 passages quoted in parenthesis with no proper explanation of each one, it gets repetitive and annoying. My time is more precious than that. Joe is lurking here because he senses his demise coming from miles away lol. Donny Jr is just a fool who worships Don Preston and who gets lost backing out of his own driveway. :)
Jason DeCosta haha! I followed that last exchange with Robert and remember it well. I could not even read his replies without my brain aching. I have no respect for Don Preston since his last removing of my simple (and cordial) comment on his page. Whatever respect I had left was removed after that.
@@joannemercer3777 yup it's some of the most bewildering gibberish from one of the most chaotic human beings on the planet. Which is why I won't deal with it anymore.
@@jasondecosta2349 This little interaction has become the kick in the pants I needed to get going on my back. I now have a title...look for it next year bro "The Camp of the Saints and the Beloved City: The Contours of a (Mostly) Realized Eschatology."
@@thesimpsons55 BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh wow! That should be a clusterfuck of confusion if there ever was one! I am sure you will sell 3 copies. Probably 2 to your wife and 1 to barry isaacs and maybe Bobbert Staz will save up a few coins he finds off the street and order a copy too. GLory to Yahweh brother. You will surely save christianity with your "mostly realized" new view. (lmao!)
You are exactly right about the surface story. But I think I may have found out some more about why the Bible is considered to be such a magical book. The deeper I dig the more fascinating things I find. If you are interested let me know and I'll send you an email ? It seems to be tying in altogether the more I find. Thank you for setting me straight my friend.
Joyce R U Serious thanks Joyce! Sure please email it over. If it’s very long I may not get around to it but hopefully it’s a summary of sorts?? Lol I’m so lazy when it comes to reading long works of men.
@@jasondecosta2349 If you have been following my leads then you may understand where it's going...kabalah, magic, ancient angel magic, long books I haven't even begun to read yet but I have a video link for you to listen to, I like to speed up the playback on these but this one caused me to re-listen...it's about the journey of the soul, it's all related and linked together, I believe that is why I have found the books on reincarnation, among all the many others of course. Ironically it does all seem to be entrusted to the Scribes, the Jewish Scribes. I'll just put the video link here and you can listen at your leisure...I have the pdf links if you want to browse them, I put them on my YT comments page for anyone interested. Here's the video/audio. ruclips.net/video/wzAU01Kj0qY/видео.html The gentleman's name is Jeff Harman, the vid explains a lot. Best of wishes to you He said the information came straight to the seerers from the angels....its no joke. Vedas, other religions, it's all related to the same thing. The precession, the eons, the reason why the ancients were ALL focused on astronomy. Celestial myths that teach the deeper truths. I really hope I can get to reading a lot of this stuff I have found, it seems I start one book get two chapters in and am immediately lead to another and another....guides and guardians I call them.
@@joyceruserious7920 Just saw it now. I will def try to get around to listening in. I believe that there is a lot of similarities that we don't even know about and that can explain a lot about the way cultures thought and spoke about the afterlife back then. Thanks for always sharing your findings.
@@jasondecosta2349 You are very welcome as always...hey, have you seen that show Lucifer yet? I think it is a very interesting show, the story is slightly off, you know the biblical god thing, but for relaxing it is quite humorous. And don't forget to check out any posts of mine on my minds page, it's like having an electronic library except now, it's overloaded...haha. I put all the pdf links I find there too just in case. talk soon...Joyce 101 on minds.com
thanks again jason,the inconsistance's ought to just stop trying to jump over the borders.continue to show them from every possible angle.Romans 4, another logical conclusion disproving an eternal salvation.you do Don Preston to a tie, love it!
Oh man,this is going to be great(note to self:Stack up on popcorn and enjoy the roast.).Here in Finland 99,99% of the believers are futurists and my experience has been that christianity might be only religion ever where most of the people don´t believe what their holy book tells them.Anyways,I`m looking forward your slicin`n`dicin` of yet again hapless opponent(Like Mr T used to say:I pity the fool).Take care.
Hi Jason. On the subject of the old timers being stuck in their ways. Here's my theory and answer to the problem. The idea of an old and a new testament, is very misleading. It is just the beginning and the end of the same story. That coupled with the idea that Israel rejected the Christ, and therefore salvation was offered to the "gentiles", starts to build a wrong narrative. I live in Brisbane Australia, so , this may be different in your part of the world, but this has been my experience. When I suggest that not all Israel rejected the Christ, and in fact it was only descendants of Abraham that accepted the Christ, they look bemused. Then you have the old King James bible, the only "true translation", where they cant even translate the names of the people involved properly. The use of the names, Peter Paul John Simon Stephen etc, really throws a spanner in the works. Put in there real names and see how Hebrew the Christians look. Then you have the Gideon bible. No OT at all, well Psalms and proverbs. This is generally the first bible we are introduced to, well it was back 30 old yrs ago. Then you have the tv preachers teaching the promises made are for Christians today, well I could expand, but there is enough garbage there to deceive the world, hang on, they are. The answer, Just give people the Gideon's bible, NT for better words but replace the English names with the original Hebrew names, you wouldnt even have to replace the word Gentiles with lost sheep of Israel, the very act of having the Hebrew names of the people involved would be enough to convince people, it was a book written for the Hebrews.
@@duanedahljr1669 I love when they try to throw the millennium 1000 years outside of the end of the story lol. Here is a reply that I just gave to Joe Dirt on this very thing and it would be a good one for you to backhand him into eternal unconsciousness with... There’s a clear sequence of events at the end of Revelation which clearly describe the order of the final things. Look closely at Revelation 20 and into Revelation 21 and take note of this order....Pay close attention... -war -rez -white throne and books opened -judgement -ENTRANCE INTO NEW JERUSALEM and that NEW JERUSALEM that is inherited AFTER THE WAR SCENE, has who’s names on it? Any guesses??? The 12 tribes. Then chapter 22 shows the gathering of them again from a new angle. They are healed with the gospel. Take notice again what’s said about these elect ones here too. They have the name on the forehead. Now take a look at Revelation 7:1-8... Who’s got the sealing on the forehead there? Any guesses? The 12 tribes. Stop hanging your hat on the single most symbolic chapter in the NT and take note of WHEN that war takes place in the timeline of things. Also take note of the MILLENNIUM and where it falls in the timeline of events.... It’s BEFORE the new Jerusalem is inherited as a bride. And of course everything in Rev was “at hand” and “shortly to come to pass” which makes a future 1000 year period after the end even more dumb. The letter of Revelation was a look at things that had already taken place, things that were taking place, and things that would shortly come to pass. Nothing in the book is thousands of years away lol
Continually inventing new doctrines and trying to make them fit into Israel’s redemptive narrative (which ended nearly two thousand years ago), and trying to function in normal society at the same time must be exhausting for poor wannabe Joe. Statzer turns to alcohol. Others turn to futurism. It’s sad to see these guys implode over it.
Crypto Byter666 exactly. There’s no way anyone can continue to act out the level of fabricated excitement over a collection of texts that clearly are not about them before they get exhausted. It’s happened many times already- frank the Shizank for one lol ;)
@Jason DeCosta I didn't suggest there are "two stages to the gospel." I suggested that there are two stages of the " gospel mission to the nations" , the first one intended to bring in the exiles of Israel and then the next stage going to the furthest ends of the earth so that the nations can walk in the light of the new jerusalem. You didn't even mention the passages in isaiah 49 I clearly based it on. So dishonest. I'm going to love documenting your roast videos, comparing to clips of what I really said in full, to document that you are the dishonest one.
LOL you most certainly did Joey. You said clearly there was a phase 1 and a "PHASE" 2. The first phase you said was focused on Israelites ONLY. Then once all Israel was saved you said the gospel then goes out to true gentiles. That is precisely what you said. You even hung your argument on the fact that pre 70 IO is true! lol how can you be so foolish!? You agreed with us just to make your point because you realize your argument cannot work any other way than agreeing with us on that point. Then you changed that towards the end of part 1 when you said "well actually there were true gentiles coming in pre 70." So you have some gentiles coming in pre 70...but then who was "the fullness of the gentiles" that was fully saved by the coming? You have no clear answer because your entire premise is garbage. I will roast everything you brought forth with no problem whatsoever. You are even more incapable of intelligent bible discussion than I suspected. Your ignorance was on full display tonight and I feel bad for you.
@@jasondecosta2349 there is no contradiction for me to agree with IO pre ad70, that what was happening in the outreach to the gentiles was bringing in the tribes of Jacob, yet also believing that within that was "pure gentiles" who inherit AS Israel. That's where all those verses I quoted about foreigners dwelling in Israel being able to inherit as Israel. But your dishonesty won't allow you to include those details because you need to lie and distort my position. But don't worry. I will be following your roast very closely and documenting with proof your methods. It's going to be exposed. You also can't respond to my challenge that having agreed that pre ad70 outreach to the nations was to regather the tribes of Jacob, where then is the isaiah 49 addition on top of the "too light of a thing outreach to restore the tribes" where it will be given as a light to the gentiles.... When does that happen, Jason? Can't happen pre ad70. Had to be post ad70. Hmm... Another stage of the mission to the nations. You can't answer that.
YogaJoe Simpson you are one sad excuse for a wannabe. Dumber than rocks and the Dunning Kruger man of the year award goes to.... Joe Dirtbag. Joe, we all see what you’ve done. Invented the FIRST of its kind theology, that NOBODY in the history of mankind has EVER held (LMFAO!) and here you are toting it as if you are some archeologist who has uncovered the ark of the covenant. 😂😂😂😂 It’s gotta be hard being that dumb. Let me make sure you understand this... Once i humiliate your ass and put out my roasts of your pathetic points, you are done. You will be getting NO MORE ATTENTION. I dont engage morons like you. You are a joke. Your theology is a joke. Your Isaiah 49:6 all eggs in one passage basket idea is dumber than shit. You have no passages to prove anything you say. You disregard all contextual details and spiritualize everything to make it be about your imaginary sky cult. As I said Joe, enjoy the attention while it lasts. Because it’s going to go dark on you once I’m done. It’s a shame I’ve given you this much attention already but dumb shits need to be slapped around a bit and so I’m enjoying this. 😘
@@jasondecosta2349 let me get this straight. The guy who advocates "Covenant IO" is criticizing another guy for a new and novel theory! Lololo. And btw, evidently you aren't that familiar, but my view tracks very closely with James stuart Russell, from the 19th century. Lol
"The promise was to be sure to ALL THE SEED"
"When the fullness of the nations came in, ALL ISRAEL was saved."
The "seed" to whom the PROMISE came to, was Israel.
The glory, covenants, adoption and PROMISE belonged to ISRAEL.
Jesus said he ONLY came for Israel.
Israel is the ONLY ones standing in heaven at the end.
Always good to hear from you bro.
ditto brother. are you meeting up with MB at the beach for ray comfort?
It’s amazing that people actually dislike this type of content when it’s so backed up by their precious book. The arguments here are well backed up and layered deep. Making it impossible to argue against. Looking forward to the roast!
Joanne, I can assure you the ones who dislike the videos are Joe Simpson, Bobbert Law loving Statzer, and that guy I call Donny Jr who is probably the identical twin of Larry the Cable guy but thinks he is John the Baptist reincarnated. These guys are dumber than rocks and have no arguments. I had to block Bobbert Law Lover because his extraneous comments to me were getting a bit too crazy. When you are neatly presenting points to someone and they repeatedly come back with 20 paragraph rants and 75 passages quoted in parenthesis with no proper explanation of each one, it gets repetitive and annoying. My time is more precious than that. Joe is lurking here because he senses his demise coming from miles away lol. Donny Jr is just a fool who worships Don Preston and who gets lost backing out of his own driveway. :)
Jason DeCosta haha! I followed that last exchange with Robert and remember it well. I could not even read his replies without my brain aching.
I have no respect for Don Preston since his last removing of my simple (and cordial) comment on his page. Whatever respect I had left was removed after that.
@@joannemercer3777 yup it's some of the most bewildering gibberish from one of the most chaotic human beings on the planet. Which is why I won't deal with it anymore.
Joe Simpson shouldn’t be teaching anyone anything when it comes to the Bible. Sheer chaos
it's brain numbing content.
@@jasondecosta2349 This little interaction has become the kick in the pants I needed to get going on my back. I now have a title...look for it next year bro "The Camp of the Saints and the Beloved City: The Contours of a (Mostly) Realized Eschatology."
@@thesimpsons55 BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh wow! That should be a clusterfuck of confusion if there ever was one! I am sure you will sell 3 copies. Probably 2 to your wife and 1 to barry isaacs and maybe Bobbert Staz will save up a few coins he finds off the street and order a copy too. GLory to Yahweh brother. You will surely save christianity with your "mostly realized" new view. (lmao!)
@@jasondecosta2349 thank you!
@@thesimpsons55 you are so welcome Sloppy Joe. :)
You are exactly right about the surface story. But I think I may have found out some more about why the Bible is considered to be such a magical book. The deeper I dig the more fascinating things I find. If you are interested let me know and I'll send you an email ? It seems to be tying in altogether the more I find. Thank you for setting me straight my friend.
Joyce R U Serious thanks Joyce! Sure please email it over. If it’s very long I may not get around to it but hopefully it’s a summary of sorts?? Lol I’m so lazy when it comes to reading long works of men.
@@jasondecosta2349 If you have been following my leads then you may understand where it's going...kabalah, magic, ancient angel magic, long books I haven't even begun to read yet but I have a video link for you to listen to, I like to speed up the playback on these but this one caused me to re-listen...it's about the journey of the soul, it's all related and linked together, I believe that is why I have found the books on reincarnation, among all the many others of course. Ironically it does all seem to be entrusted to the Scribes, the Jewish Scribes. I'll just put the video link here and you can listen at your leisure...I have the pdf links if you want to browse them, I put them on my YT comments page for anyone interested. Here's the video/audio. ruclips.net/video/wzAU01Kj0qY/видео.html
The gentleman's name is Jeff Harman, the vid explains a lot.
Best of wishes to you
He said the information came straight to the seerers from the angels....its no joke. Vedas, other religions, it's all related to the same thing. The precession, the eons, the reason why the ancients were ALL focused on astronomy. Celestial myths that teach the deeper truths. I really hope I can get to reading a lot of this stuff I have found, it seems I start one book get two chapters in and am immediately lead to another and another....guides and guardians I call them.
Joyce I saw your second comment but somehow it vanished. When I clicked on it to go read the rest of it. Sorry about that.
@@joyceruserious7920 Just saw it now. I will def try to get around to listening in. I believe that there is a lot of similarities that we don't even know about and that can explain a lot about the way cultures thought and spoke about the afterlife back then. Thanks for always sharing your findings.
@@jasondecosta2349 You are very welcome as always...hey, have you seen that show Lucifer yet? I think it is a very interesting show, the story is slightly off, you know the biblical god thing, but for relaxing it is quite humorous. And don't forget to check out any posts of mine on my minds page, it's like having an electronic library except now, it's overloaded...haha. I put all the pdf links I find there too just in case.
talk soon...Joyce 101 on minds.com
thanks again jason,the inconsistance's ought to just stop trying to jump over the borders.continue to show them from every possible angle.Romans 4, another logical conclusion disproving an eternal salvation.you do Don Preston to a tie, love it!
lol Thanks bro. Donny Preston the Oklahoman showman has his conference this week. Wish I could join the live chat lol
Oh man,this is going to be great(note to self:Stack up on popcorn and enjoy the roast.).Here in Finland 99,99% of the believers are futurists and my experience has been that christianity might be only religion ever where most of the people don´t believe what their holy book tells them.Anyways,I`m looking forward your slicin`n`dicin` of yet again hapless opponent(Like Mr T used to say:I pity the fool).Take care.
Ari Leino haha thanks my friend. I hope you enjoy ;)
Hi Jason. On the subject of the old timers being stuck in their ways. Here's my theory and answer to the problem. The idea of an old and a new testament, is very misleading. It is just the beginning and the end of the same story. That coupled with the idea that Israel rejected the Christ, and therefore salvation was offered to the "gentiles", starts to build a wrong narrative. I live in Brisbane Australia, so , this may be different in your part of the world, but this has been my experience. When I suggest that not all Israel rejected the Christ, and in fact it was only descendants of Abraham that accepted the Christ, they look bemused. Then you have the old King James bible, the only "true translation", where they cant even translate the names of the people involved properly. The use of the names, Peter Paul John Simon Stephen etc, really throws a spanner in the works. Put in there real names and see how Hebrew the Christians look. Then you have the Gideon bible. No OT at all, well Psalms and proverbs. This is generally the first bible we are introduced to, well it was back 30 old yrs ago. Then you have the tv preachers teaching the promises made are for Christians today, well I could expand, but there is enough garbage there to deceive the world, hang on, they are. The answer, Just give people the Gideon's bible, NT for better words but replace the English names with the original Hebrew names, you wouldnt even have to replace the word Gentiles with lost sheep of Israel, the very act of having the Hebrew names of the people involved would be enough to convince people, it was a book written for the Hebrews.
01whipman excellent thoughts man. It’s truly misleading on all fronts but the story is there in plain view for sure
What...no Jesus 2.0????....the hell you say!
Sounds like a Bruce Willis sequel.
@@jasondecosta2349 I got some FP wanna be right now trying to put the Millennium as a literal 1000 yrs outside AD70...I said no, no Jesus 2.0!
@@duanedahljr1669 I love when they try to throw the millennium 1000 years outside of the end of the story lol. Here is a reply that I just gave to Joe Dirt on this very thing and it would be a good one for you to backhand him into eternal unconsciousness with...
There’s a clear sequence of events at the end of Revelation which clearly describe the order of the final things. Look closely at Revelation 20 and into Revelation 21 and take note of this order....Pay close attention...
-war
-rez
-white throne and books opened
-judgement
-ENTRANCE INTO NEW JERUSALEM
and that NEW JERUSALEM that is inherited AFTER THE WAR SCENE, has who’s names on it?
Any guesses???
The 12 tribes.
Then chapter 22 shows the gathering of them again from a new angle. They are healed with the gospel.
Take notice again what’s said about these elect ones here too.
They have the name on the forehead.
Now take a look at Revelation 7:1-8...
Who’s got the sealing on the forehead there?
Any guesses?
The 12 tribes.
Stop hanging your hat on the single most symbolic chapter in the NT and take note of WHEN that war takes place in the timeline of things. Also take note of the MILLENNIUM and where it falls in the timeline of events....
It’s BEFORE the new Jerusalem is inherited as a bride.
And of course everything in Rev was “at hand” and “shortly to come to pass”
which makes a future 1000 year period after the end even more dumb.
The letter of Revelation was a look at things that had already taken place, things that were taking place, and things that would shortly come to pass. Nothing in the book is thousands of years away lol
@@jasondecosta2349 very excellent reply
Continually inventing new doctrines and trying to make them fit into Israel’s redemptive narrative (which ended nearly two thousand years ago), and trying to function in normal society at the same time must be exhausting for poor wannabe Joe. Statzer turns to alcohol. Others turn to futurism. It’s sad to see these guys implode over it.
Crypto Byter666 exactly. There’s no way anyone can continue to act out the level of fabricated excitement over a collection of texts that clearly are not about them before they get exhausted. It’s happened many times already- frank the Shizank for one lol ;)
@Jason DeCosta I didn't suggest there are "two stages to the gospel." I suggested that there are two stages of the " gospel mission to the nations" , the first one intended to bring in the exiles of Israel and then the next stage going to the furthest ends of the earth so that the nations can walk in the light of the new jerusalem. You didn't even mention the passages in isaiah 49 I clearly based it on. So dishonest. I'm going to love documenting your roast videos, comparing to clips of what I really said in full, to document that you are the dishonest one.
LOL you most certainly did Joey. You said clearly there was a phase 1 and a "PHASE" 2. The first phase you said was focused on Israelites ONLY. Then once all Israel was saved you said the gospel then goes out to true gentiles. That is precisely what you said. You even hung your argument on the fact that pre 70 IO is true! lol how can you be so foolish!?
You agreed with us just to make your point because you realize your argument cannot work any other way than agreeing with us on that point.
Then you changed that towards the end of part 1 when you said "well actually there were true gentiles coming in pre 70."
So you have some gentiles coming in pre 70...but then who was "the fullness of the gentiles" that was fully saved by the coming?
You have no clear answer because your entire premise is garbage. I will roast everything you brought forth with no problem whatsoever. You are even more incapable of intelligent bible discussion than I suspected. Your ignorance was on full display tonight and I feel bad for you.
@@jasondecosta2349 you are pathetic. Nonetheless... I'll roast your roast. Your dishonesty will be on full display lol. Bring it on.
@@jasondecosta2349 there is no contradiction for me to agree with IO pre ad70, that what was happening in the outreach to the gentiles was bringing in the tribes of Jacob, yet also believing that within that was "pure gentiles" who inherit AS Israel. That's where all those verses I quoted about foreigners dwelling in Israel being able to inherit as Israel. But your dishonesty won't allow you to include those details because you need to lie and distort my position. But don't worry. I will be following your roast very closely and documenting with proof your methods. It's going to be exposed. You also can't respond to my challenge that having agreed that pre ad70 outreach to the nations was to regather the tribes of Jacob, where then is the isaiah 49 addition on top of the "too light of a thing outreach to restore the tribes" where it will be given as a light to the gentiles.... When does that happen, Jason? Can't happen pre ad70. Had to be post ad70. Hmm... Another stage of the mission to the nations. You can't answer that.
YogaJoe Simpson you are one sad excuse for a wannabe. Dumber than rocks and the Dunning Kruger man of the year award goes to....
Joe Dirtbag.
Joe, we all see what you’ve done. Invented the FIRST of its kind theology, that NOBODY in the history of mankind has EVER held (LMFAO!) and here you are toting it as if you are some archeologist who has uncovered the ark of the covenant. 😂😂😂😂
It’s gotta be hard being that dumb.
Let me make sure you understand this...
Once i humiliate your ass and put out my roasts of your pathetic points, you are done.
You will be getting NO MORE ATTENTION.
I dont engage morons like you. You are a joke. Your theology is a joke. Your Isaiah 49:6 all eggs in one passage basket idea is dumber than shit.
You have no passages to prove anything you say.
You disregard all contextual details and spiritualize everything to make it be about your imaginary sky cult.
As I said Joe, enjoy the attention while it lasts. Because it’s going to go dark on you once I’m done. It’s a shame I’ve given you this much attention already but dumb shits need to be slapped around a bit and so I’m enjoying this. 😘
@@jasondecosta2349 let me get this straight. The guy who advocates "Covenant IO" is criticizing another guy for a new and novel theory! Lololo. And btw, evidently you aren't that familiar, but my view tracks very closely with James stuart Russell, from the 19th century. Lol