I've always liked to think that while William's decision to get in the springbonnie suit was a act of desperation it was also a relatively informed gamble. In all the timelines I've seen by his death William understands at least the broad strokes of how possession happens. Close proximity to painfull death can get an animatronic possessed. So William's gamble has 3 endings. 1. Everything works and he escapes alive. 2. He dies in the suit. 3. He dies in the suit And Comes Back. The children had him cornered. The suit was his best chance at continued existence one way or another.
MOVIE SPOILERS : hence why when he gets springlocked in the movie, he *intentionally* puts on the Spring Bonnie head. he knew he didn't stand a chance of surviving, but he also knew dying in the suit, he will come back.
@@jojostarsea The movie also makes Springlock suits seem like fucking Power Armor so that makes sense why he'd wanna put it on since it's basically both physical and spiritual protection.
The moment you called Mike "an immortal zombie man" (17:44-17:46 for ease of reference), I had a thought. We know that Mike saw himself as Clara for at least a bit due to the Security Logbook, but post-scoopage he's also a little bit Vlad now! He's literally The Immortal and the Restless, an unkillable undead guy who *will not rest* until he brings his father to justice! I can't believe I didn't put this together until now, honestly...
The Puppet might have lost a lot of programming, but Lefty was able to capture it by emitting the same signal as Charlie's old wristband. So something was still left. Then again, if no one had that same wristband until Henry copied it into Lefty - free Puppet.
Giving me content like this... It's not even my anniversary... I feel spoiled. This stuff actually kinda helps me better make sense of some things in my own head, even though I can't 100% stick with everything I'm given. My mind is constantly rearranging the pieces.
Actually, Funtime Freddy being possessed by some other kid could explain some things. It also feels like that could be his testing with his mindset of “the Puppet stuffed the kids in the suits and are now possessed, so if I stuff a kid into a stomach compartment then maybe it will be possessed too.” That would also explain why Freddy seems so violent and needs a Bon Bon hand puppet to have built in calming features. If Freddy is designed to store the kids, then why would he be aggressive? The other possessed suits are aggressive and to William especially. Then that also explains why Freddy takes over in Ennard and kicks baby out, he’s one who is actually inhabited by a spirit while the others are just programming, with Baby trying to side with the man who used Freddy as an experiment.
Some other thing F. Freddy having a soul fixes is the conundrum of 5 pieces into one whole. For MoltenMCI, people typically just go handwave any questions for how in the world G. Freddy got into the remnant pool. Especially since there is no animatronic to destroy. But now, we have our fifth soul. The five souls being the MCI souls - whoever possessed G. Freddy + whoever possessed F. Freddy.
Actually the remnant thing gives Golden Freddy to Michael as the scooper gives out remnant every time it's used. Mike was scooped and Baby knew it would happen. In fact she counts on him being afflicted with remnant in order to keep her promise that 'you won't die'. Also blue prints generally show the intended use of a device so there's no actual proof of a corpse in funtime Freddy especially given that Ennard exists. Ennard according to all official Fnaf media ONLY contains robot parts so there's no place for a human corpse especially with why the funtimes chose to become Ennard. Also the ghost version of Golden Freddy is something only Michael would see as it's a part of him in his new state. Despite being a real object the puppet once possessed acts like a ghost especially when the music box runs out and she's hunting the night guard. Can't be seen on cameras and immediately accesses the office once 'pop goes the weasel' finishes playing. Also Cassidy was reduced to both remnant and agony because Afton most likely took the Fredbear suit post Fnaf 2 as in the Fnaf 3 mini games you never have to play as Golden Freddy instead you play as a disembodied ghost implying it's animatronic body was the first one taken. 'We had a suit in the back a yellow one, someone used it now none of them are acting right.' - Phone Guy Fnaf 2. That could ONLY be Fredbear because Afton kept spring bonnie in his personal possession at all times post MCI, as the cops could jail him immediately if it was ever discovered as it would be on all recovered CCTV relating to the MCI. Pizzeria simulator proves this with an arcade Easter egg in which in a reflection on a arcade game screen we witness spring bonnie abduct Susie using a false promise to convince her to follow him. This plays like a camera video feed but is completely supernatural. Meaning it's a memory of Susie's imbued into the game she was playing the day she was killed by William Afton. The Fnaf 2 mini games are memories of specific animatronics. Golden Freddy remembers dying separately to the other 4, the puppet remembers trying to save Charlie and failing, then Charlie remembers trying to save the four MCI victims she discovered in the parts and service room. Withered foxy remembers his last day of active service, in which he encountered both Afton and four of the MCI victims which is why he sees through the Freddy mask. He saw a night guard near the dead bodies so knows something is up. The jumpscare ending the mini game tells you whose memory it is. Susie was the first victim because she was the easiest to abduct, the arcade she was in was the nearest room to the blind spot of parts and service. He had to work harder in the party room as there were parents around which was why he used spring bonnie, the parents never suspected a birthday mascot. Susie was alone so she was easy pickings for Afton.
@AloneTheorist The corpse in Freddy I’m referring to is in the blueprint of him. Each of the four funtimes have blueprints that show their different features which is how we know what their purposes were for kidnapping children. In Freddy’s blueprint we can see an outline of what appears to be a curled up child inside his stomach which would mean his stomach hatch is built in a very specific, child like shape which is both wrong (from how it appears in literally any media when we see inside) and makes no sense. The other option is that the Stomach hatch is showing a child already inside. While logically that makes no sense, there really is no other way to show this detail if it is real and making no logical sense hasn’t stopped this franchise before. I agree Golden’s remnant is most likely who’s got injected into Michael to keep him alive for your listed reasons, this doesn’t disprove the idea that a child could be possessing Funtime Freddy. And the detail of Ennard being only robotic parts, he leaves so much as well and doesn’t take every piece of the Funtimes into his body as we see their shells in the Scooper room and Baby later on is unable to even reform herself with many pieces missing and damaged. With that being said there is no reason for Ennard to add a corpse to his mass if the corpse is even still in Freddy. Since William made it to kidnap kids, there is a very high chance Freddy captured the child, only for it to die in the process and William receiving the corpse, removing it as it would prevent any future captures.
I think the point against William going back for the classic animatronics in MoltenMCI Alter-S, or any MoltenMCI interpretation, can be explained not as William going for the Remnant, but to clean up loose ends. We know him to be a control freak, and by the time he was making the Funtime animatronics, he was gunning for a full understanding of Remnant and possession and the likes. He wanted to make this stuff consistent, first with Charlie's possession, then the classics. With the basics now understood, he can move to experimentation to make the possession more effective, so he can be in complete control of the animatronic, rather than just a voice or something that can occasionally take over. This means that he no longer needs the classics, but he also wasn't going to let them link the MCI back to him, no matter how small those odds were. So he goes to dismantle the classics, hoping that as piles of junk they wouldn't be able to do anything to stop him, not realizing that it simply lets the souls roam. From there, it's as Follow Me plays out, the souls corner William, he puts on the suit, and gets springlocked.
I always wondered whether or not Elizabeth has control over Baby because of the way she speaks about it in SL, nice to see someone finally talking about it. I swear, you always answer my FNAF shower thoughts and I love it.
I agree with you that FNAF is very Sci-fi, and part of Sci-fi is the exploration of where technology intersects with other things; Asimov's robot stories are always about this; the three rules of robotics is a framework for creating stories were the programing comes into conflict with something happening in real time and so the outcome often technically follows "the rules" but is not what anyone would expect. With FNAF, I suspect the theme here is the intersection of computer programing/ robotics and the super natural. Is FNAF sci-fi or horror? I think it's both; it's the ghost in the shell; it's the soul and the AI. It's about transhumanism, to some extent, like Cyberpunk 2077 (or Bladerunner) but with a literal afterlife / spiritual component to contend with.
I think the idea it's actually guilt keeping the Puppet there a very interesting character point. It really enhances this concept of Charlie being this good kid, trying to do everything for these friends in a near motherly way, even killing guards. Here's an interesting thing I noted from the first four games only: until then, every possession was sort of explained/could be explained with some thunking (the kids and William die in the suits, they possess the suits; Golden Freddy is the Bite Victim, he isn't possessing Fredbear, actually, he is a spirit taking an illusory form of Fredbear with a spin of the current Freddy, that's why it's always a golden copy of Freddy; the Toy bots have parts of the original robots in them, creating a link between them)... All of them, except one: the Puppet. The Puppet was the only possession we got no explanation for, we just accepted the Puppet was possessed because it was. So, the question remained, how it happened? IMO, in the original lore of the 4 first games (and this can still be sort of valid for the retconned, canon lore), there are two forms of possession: "enforced" possession and "voluntary" possession. One is when you die in a suit or your dead body is stuffed in a suit for long enough (MCI + William), the other is the case of the Puppet and Golden Freddy (technically): they are wayward spirits who are trapped in this world, unable themselves to move on. Since they're wayward spirits, unlike the dead stuffed in suits which are bound to the suits, the Puppet and Golden Freddy can move freely without a body and can voluntarily possess something. The Puppet does such, Golden Freddy doesn't. (at least, it's how I see the original lore Scott wanted for those games to go) With this, you could say it was Charlie's choice not to move on and stay to help the kids: she is here specifically to do such and make sure no more kids die again. That is her goal as the Puppet.
I adhere to the theory that there are 2 souls in the golden freddy. The soul of the bite victim is passive, perhaps only a part of his consciousness is there. The idea that this is so because Fred Bear bit off part of his brain...it seems strained and strange, but possible. We're not sure about Cassidy and her death, maybe she, like Charlie, chose her own appearance, but her immateriality is still annoying. She literally communicates with Michael through a logbook and causes him to hallucinate, I wonder where her soul resides...Is she omnipresent?
Glad I’m not the only one who thinks that contact during death is the key to possession and why possessed Toys is very faulty when you really think about it. Though I still think Sister locations events happen before Fnaf 2, mostly because of the opening line to the game and the fact that it’s heavily implied that the Circus babies animtronics are owned by Fazbear entertainment. I see the toys facial recognition systems being made not to keep criminals out. But one man who was fired from his high position who could try to sabotage the new restaurant. Still a good theory.
@@maskedmantobi_2009 I mean, I don’t think by the second batch of dead kids in the restaurant but the old spirits from the animatronics. Like the Mr.Cupcake in the movie, where Chica’s spirit can possess Mr.Cupcake and be a feral plastic. NO, it is NOT possessed by a dog, the intro only showed them being lured.
@@Wizardjones69 I agree that the M.C.I spirits possess the Toys, but I don’t know how, as non of the designs from the Toys seem to match the Withered and the endoskeleton used for both are Endo 02, which is the more advanced one that is used for security stuff.
The part where you say that the Puppet doesn't seemingly have any programming left (about 8:45) is a little off, as it doesn't take into account LEFTE and how Henry explicitly used the green armbands and music box to lure/soothe the Puppet when capturing him for FNAF 6. The Puppet still definitely has its programming intact which honestly makes it an even better example of your point that you make. The Puppet is one of the most powerful entities in the franchise and yet is still servant to its music box and armband programming.
Speaking of FNAF 6 and LEFTE, I'd love to hear your thoughts at some point on why the FNAF 6 animatronics dont attack each other since they hate each other so much
Y'know, one thing in particular that you said in this theory got me to thinking about something. If Baby was supposed to be William's own kind of replacement for Charlie/Puppet, as a sort of method for controlling the animatronics, is that why one of the early WIP models for Baby in the "Making Baby" SL Extras just randomly and specifically shows her with brown hair before switching to another version of the exact same model but with the red hair? I kinda doubt Scott actually thought about that to that extent ahead of time, but it'd be interesting if that was a connection Either way, an interesting video! I'm glad to hear more talk about just how much of the programming the suits have is affecting the haunting of the spirits. The weirdly super advanced tech of the franchise tripped everyone up for a lot of time, I feel, despite it kinda being a plot point since the first game. But since we could never take for certain if the explanation phone guy gave had any weight, it was easy to brush off. I think that Springtrap's audio lure mechanic in 3 was supposed to give it more credence (along with the facial recognition tech in the Toys too), but since at that point in the franchise William had been kinda hyped up as this big Mysterious Murder Happy Super Sadistic Kid Killer I think everyone just assumed he was a dumb zombie who couldn't help himself the moment he heard a child in the other room and would just go sprinting across the hall I also do like the explanation of William coming back to the FNAF location just to get the old Spring Bonnie suit that's been confiscated. Makes a lot more sense than getting the original 4 for parts (which also would be the 2nd time that specific plot point is used with the original animatronics and that's always been weird to me). Hell, maybe he saw that specific suit as some kind of unique lucky item and grew attached to it, and thats why he didn't bother just making a replica of it on his own when he clearly could have And narratively, I never felt William was ACTUALLY that smart (like, sure, a genius when it came to robots but not much else) and always seemed like a super reckless and impulsive individual, especially since every single plan he has in the games never really works out for him the way he expects. He just kinda is in a constant state of scrambling around to pick up and put together whatever pieces he can salvage when everything goes to shit, not unlike when CC died.
I like to imagine William does something without thinking it through, it backfires horrible and later Will's like "uhhhh, yeah, it was all plan of my master plan, I've got everything under control, as everything is crumbling around him.
I like to imagine William does something without thinking it through, it backfires horrible and later Will's like "uhhhh, yeah, it was all plan of my master plan, I've got everything under control", as everything is crumbling around him.
Honestly, I’d love if eventually you made either a mashup or massive timeline video covering this proposed narrative so we can more easily view it in its entirety. As it stands now these theories are great, and so having one big video to go over it all eventually would make sharing it around much easier.
By the way, I did think of a possible justification for why William may want the classics if NelFuntime Freddy and ControlBaby is true. If Baby failed to control Nel's Funtime Freddy, William may turn to controlling the "animalistic" classic animatronics in desperation. Afterall, Baby under these theories is William's simulacrum of Charlie and if Charlie has sway over the classics maybe Baby will too?
8:21 "We know *for a fact* in FNAF 3 William cannot override Springbonnie's programming to go near the voices of kids." If I recall correctly, there is a small chance ingame (1/7?) for Springtrap to not move to a sound. Generally speaking this is true, but that variable brings up the question of how true can it be. Whether its actually the AI failing to recognize the sound due to deterioration, or somehow by William's free will, I'm not certain.
Gvien how Sprigtrap seems to fall for the lure less frequently further in the game, I always interpeteted it as Bonnie's sensors slowly breaking and degrading over the course of the week. In other words, the thing is more dangerous when it's malfunctioning
What I love about this channel is how you seem to be focusing on pre-SB stuff mostly. I do like the timeline post-SB, but these videos are proof that we still have more to solve even when we’re talking about pre-SB
I absolutely adore your theories, they forge an interesting and really smart and compelling narrative with actual themes and ideas. William and Michael feel like actual consistent characters.
One of the most satisfying theories on the subject I’ve seen, although it does leave me with a few questions: It does seem like the Toys are possessed in FNaF 2, for one thing they all do something messed up with their eyes, BB looks like just a static plastic statue yet it can move, and the AR emails say that Fazbear’s engineers are incapable of making their Mangle model walk on the walls and ceiling, implying that the original one had some sort of otherworldly force driving it. How are the Toys capable of doing this if not through possession? And maybe I just missed something in the video but why would William destroy the Classics if he’s not collecting remnant?
The toys can be "possessed" without having dedicated kids. Between the teaser "Something old, something borrowed" and Phone Guy saying they use the old animatronics for parts, it seems like the Toys are haunted by the reused parts from the MCI kids.
mfw been binge watching all your theorys for a good few monrhs now, the way you present your evidence and try and put it in a cohesive and digestible tl while also remaining very critical is what draws me to your videos. i really like where your going with this string of videos, keep it up 💗
I really appreciate how character focused your theories are, while still making sense with what we're shown. Really excited for that Puppet and Baby video. Keep it up!
Wait you think Mike is Clara too?! HOW HAVE I NOT SEEN THAT VIDEO??!! I've been obsessed with my theory that Mike and William are parallels to Clara and Vlad for FOREVER I'm going to find that video right now
Love this theory, it ties up a lot of loose ends, at least in my books. I'm not a super hardcore theorist fan, but I am definitely adopting your interpretation of this into my little understanding of the timeline. Good stuff!
Molten MCI being concurrent with Sister Location is a little weird with this theory considering apparently Willy was able to get the Remnant, go down to the bunker and inject it into the Funtimes, but then apparently wasn't willing to just get Baby out while he was in there injecting Remnant in the 3-4 killmaxxing robots. I always thought that Sister Location probably took place after Willy got Springlocked and Michael got the message to 'Put her back together' as like a dead man's switch. Willy probably had a back up plan with Baby in case he died/got Springlocked since he knew she would want to make him proud.
The Funtimes weren't made to kill. Just to KIDNAP to trap kids, lure them and catch them. Baby mentions she failed and that caused the death of Elizabeth. Reason why she's connected to her unlike the other Funtimes.
Oh yeah,that thumbnail with the guy reminds me,is the guy on the thumbnail,plus in FFPS cutscenes William Afton? I mean,he has a cleft chin like William in Fnaf 3,and his smile is.... Unsettling to say the least,what are your thoughts about the Fnaf pizzeria simulator cutscene guy being William? Is it possible or no?
I've been trying to write a short book/novel with the lore of the games. I lean on many theorists to build a coherent narrative, and you can't imagine how much you've helped me make sense of everything. Thank you so much!
I feel like this recontextualizes Fourth Closet almost because back then I don't think there was really a reason for Baby to be Charlie's rival other than just, needing to adapt SL and her and Lizzie both being daughters of the men behind freddy's. I know Fourth Closet didn't have a stake in this but it was a neat little thing, I also like how Spring Bonnie is presented her, that is important to Afton because it was his suit, his go to for a disguise.
You idea for Nel-Funtime Freddy is interesting and something I been tossing the back of my mind, not completely the version in the video but the general idea
Man, i don’t think ive ever been this hooked on a video before.. actually i was hooked on that puppetstuffed video.. i guess that shows how good of a fnaf theorist you are
There is a person named Stormister here on RUclips that made a video that sort of conplimented your own theory about Molten MCI + S. You should watch it for yourself, but the basic of it is that the reason Scraptrap looks the way he does is because he took parts from Golden Freddy in an attempt to get around the audio limits of the Springbonnie programming
Maybe the reason will goes to get the old animatronics because it’s a hell of a lot harder to make a kid at someone else’s party disappear without coming back to you, especially after (at least) a decade of local news telling people that having anything to do with them is dangerous
The mini games are stored data - What if the reason the minigames of FNAF2 are 8-bit /very primitive in their visuals/presentation is to convey they are the stored data on the circuit boards themselves, or "old information" that the machines "remember". I don't know about later games, but I've always felt like the art-style choice isn't random; it's telling us, the viewer, something about the origin of what we are looking at. In AR and Help wanted, I think the mention of using Old hardware and the idea that old hardware can store something dangerous is meant to emphasize this idea there there's stuff being stored; there is information that means something and I think it's not just one exe file named Mimic1; again people fixate over the story bit, but I think it's suppose to point back to a bigger shared idea; the old data is important; their "story", what happened to them (the ghosts) is recorded and kept in zeros and ones. I think the ghosts/mascots not being able to directly express themselves also feeds into this; they would say something if they could, but they can't; but they can "show you". Maybe them being "death mini games" is because you've been caught, your dead, now they can "show you" what happened.
THAT EXPLAINS SO MUCH Like Circus baby's weird character and more so character switch from scrap baby to circus baby, like why would elizabeth pretend to not be elizabeth despite knowing mike knows shes elizabeth even if shes assuming that's william even though that makes it even worse.
Baby is the ONLY giant in sister location. Funtime freddy is 6ft tall according to his blue prints and funtime foxy is a bit shorter than that. Ballora is also roughly adult human sized. Circus Baby is 7'2 according to her blue prints making her the ONLY non human sized animatronic in the bunker.
hey im greatly proud of you for making this video. the empty room in fnaf 4 really confused many folks about the purpose of circus baby's creation. but seeing her as the william.afton version of the puppet is extremely smart. good job
I don't know if I really agree with your timeline of events anf stuff but I really appreciate how you put it all together concisely instead of rambling on about barely connected plot points for 20 minutes, makes the theory much easier to digest
12:04 Ues Mike and Will aren’t the same, but Mike says in the Cudtom Night cutscene that he “put her back together just like you asked me to” which means even though Mike did it, it was still William’s intention that did both
Maybe William uses the remnant from the classics because of suspicions from local authorities is growing because kids are missing when any of the fun times are sent to party’s, meaning the fun times aren’t being sent out as much leading to William to go to the classics to keep his possession addiction alive as he’s running out of remnant
I am really liking what your videos are building here. There should probably be a name for the collective story we have on the table here, all the way from the charliestuff video. Squawks Canon? Squanon?
18:05 because Micheal is alive he doesn't want him to die and for some reason you believe he is trying to kill him. No, Micheal had no idea what was happening and sister location started his mission to find his father. Wether or not you believe in molten MCI, the killing features are never scene again because the idea was scrapped.
This theory is great, and I thought a bit more about the Toys point and I think one way we could look at it is that the building becomes haunted by the DCI not the suits, as we see in the fnaf movie the souls can keep doors closed and open doors on their own meaning they have some control over the building, so while there’s little precedent for souls staying in a space instead of a animatronic (unless random short story #42 wants to back it up) it does explain why they’re aggressive (and mangle sticks to walls) while never being shown with kids inside, and the fact mangle has no place to put a kid without being seen probably means it was apart of “original lore” (1-3). So once any semblance of Freddy’s is removed from the location they can move on and not have lore relevance. (Imo this interpretation is a way to have your cake and eat it)
I think this is the first time commenting on a video of yours but i have been watching them since the Vanny is more simplier than you think video. Great video as always and i wanted to share an option as to how Molten Freddy or the other three funtimes in general have remmant it's not because william injected the MCI remmant on them or whatever, the scooper did when they started the whole becoming ennard plan on SL Night 5 i mean, the scooper did give Michael remmant, why wouldn't it give Funtime Freddy, Funtime Foxy and Ballora remmant that also goes to my little theory that says that just because something has remmant doesn't mean it's possesed again, The Scooper has remmant, does it mean it's also possessed? i don't think so. anyway that was my little thought, i also loved the Kellen Golf joke near the end
Yet that remnant still has to come from somewhere, and Baby says she's been out before, meaning that the characters can and have been scooped and put back. The scooper is the meathod of injecting remnant, hypothetically that remnant comes from The MCI kids under MoltenMCI. Remnant is inherently haunted, that's what makes it exist at all.
I think that William built the Funtimes and opened Circus Baby Pizza World after the MCI, but before FNAF 2 due to William learning about Remnant. Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rental opened soon after the MCI location and Circus Baby Pizza World closed down. Sister Location happens between FNAF 1 and 3 as well. I also think that William killed the 2nd set of kids before he became the dayshift guard (before Jeremy got hired) which resulted in the Toys animatrononics possession. I agree with the rest of the video, though.
I think that circus baby entertainment and rentals was open right after circus baby pizza world closed, so willian killed the dci kids to inject their remnant into the funtimes
the more I think about this story the more it feels like two different stories put together and that's why the books and the movies are retcons - to make a story that actually makes sense because the games are just completely nonsensical when taken as a whole
I really enjoy that you use the known lore to analyze what characters are and there motivation so then explain why that lore happens. I do want to ask will you make a big video on your interpretation of the timeline?
theres 2 different things i could see Willy A potentially needing the classics' remnant for, either testing material to know how to best build the funtimes, or that the reason the mess-of-wire endoskeletons are capable of moving around at all is due to containing trace ammounts of remnant, which would fix some of the hyper advanced technology issues that SL has, which is vaguely supported by the fact that the animatronics still need to be shocked ecen when theres quote-unquote "no kids" inside them but those are just two on the spot ideas, someone else could probably find a possibility i missed
idk if this will affect much but, I wanted to make a point that might or might not change this theory and future theory. With the movie we now know that william seems to not need a motivation to kill. what I mean is Crying Child or Elizabeth being a reason for william to start his killing streak could possibly be non exsistent. The Movie shows us that william will go far enough to kill his own kids with his own hands. If this is true this would create new prespective for things like maybe in Midnight Motorist it IS The CC and Micheal in the house or it could also confirm that william actually did kill someone in the Stage minigame in the fnaf 3 minigames (the missing child) I think we need to consider this new possibility that william is just evil, like Micheal Myers, he is evil in human form with no reason behind it. Anyways I just wanted to make that point lol but hey AMAZING VIDEO, everything was incredibly crafted from start to finish and you did great explaining everything. Please make more theorys like this, they are great :)
@@siresquawks I hope the next movie kinda goes more in depth to williams character since we got nothing basically, but regardless I think my point should be sticked onto the theory board with old bubble gum because hey at least it isnt "robot kids in fnaf movie" theory 😤
Aren’t the smartest haunted animatronics who died by the hands of them? I mean, yeah, puppet never killed Charlie, but Baby scooped Elizabeth, The crying child was bit, and Cassidy was (objectively) springlocked
For explaining MoltenMCI, possibly: A) After the incident at Baby's Pizza World killing kids at Party may be too suspicious B) Under ToysMCI, William after the DCI failed try to experimenting with soul splitting shenanigans, the location get closed and the scrapped animatronic are took by Afton Robotics to experiment on the Funtimes, but considering the animatronics still too aggressive amd without intelligence (Like Baby) try to go back at the FNaF 1 location and taking the robots to try "fixing" the soul. C) As far I remember, only Baby have killing features, while the other have kipnapping feature to find kid to run fear experiment D) MoltenMCI cannot work
Maybe Funtime Freddy is possessed by the games version of Millie? Like maybe Millie got trapped in Funtime Freddy then killed and then she became vengeful and wanted to hurt others kinda like Cassidy?
William's timing and motivation with dismantling the Classics has also always bothered me, especially if you assume that he supposedly used them to make the Funtimes. It just doesn't click and this video made me think and realize something: Taking a step back from FNAF as this megabeast of a franchise, the Follow Me games happened during FNAF 3. The Funtimes don't get introduced until Sister Location. According to Scott himself, he always tried to clarify in the next game what he felt like people were missing in the previous game, but Sister Location wasn't the next game after 3. Just looking at 1-3, and arguably even 4, there was no way to intuit "Oh, Purple Guy rripped these robots apart to use their ghost energy infused parts but *without* the ghosts, since those are obviously still there, to make an entirely new set of murder clown robots". There's just no through-line here. Double so if you consider that 3 and then 4 were supposed to be the end. This makes me pretty convinced that, whatever Willy's motivation was with taking them apart, it's entirely unrelated to the Funtimes and we should be able to figure it out from 1-3 and 4 at most.
I don't think there was a motivation beyond him just being an asshole and "killing" them again; just like there was no motivation for any of his actions. It didn't really matter at the time. Which is precisely why 3 was going to end with no explanation as to where the friggin' endos even went, which is what really gets to me. Even if, say, FazEnt cleared them out while presumably boarding up the backroom again, why would they leave the masks and shells behind? They are presumably the very same ones that Phone Dude and his crew used to make crappy mannequins at Fazbear's Fright, and he complains that they haven't found much interesting stuff, and that it's questionable if the Foxy head is real or just another crappy cosplay. If the endos had also been left, they'd have definitely been used as props, even if these dorks didn't have anyone to properly reassemble them. So... what the fuck? lol In hindsight, it seems like a perfect sequel hook, but that doesn't seem to have been Scott's intention once upon a time. Unless he's exaggerating somewhat about "I thought it was a good end to a trilogy". I don't know.
I think he wanted to tye souls not be freed from their torture, willian is a monster, sadic, who loves the suffering of his murderes, so he wants to torment this souls to not go to heaven
Before learning about MoltenMCI, I always thought he was dismantling the animatronics to finally clean up all evidence of his crimes. He didn't account for the spirits coming after him because he either didn't know about them at all or underestimated that destroying the suits would free the souls to come after him.
Great video! I will say that the kid inside of funtime freddy likely doesnt exist. The image used to support that is not a scan of funtime freddy, its very clearly topology, and therefore a blueprint used to make funtime freddy. The child-shaped form in funtimes freddy is a placeholder that william modeled to ensure that a kid would indeed fit inside ft freddys hatch. But great theory!
I’m not saying the blueprint is of Funtime Freddy’s actual real body, but it shows what he was meant for. Why would William make a robot to put a kid in if he wasn’t going to do that? Why would Scott introduce the concept of Funtime Freddy being able to fit a kid inside him if this wasn’t meant to happen? It’s a strange random decision if the idea is that he doesn’t end up with a kid put inside him. Glad you liked the video though!
I love this theory, but theirs one thing that leans into why William would go after the og animatronics even tho the funtimes can kidnap kids, and idk how to make these makes sense, but in the fourth closet he kidnaps and plans on killing multiple kids and use them for his experiments before they get freed during the events of the book, which again I can’t remember exactly what reason that was in the books but if u read up on it it might more sense contextually, but this could also lean to your idea of Nell Funtime Freddy theory but again, this is Fnaf we’re talking about, loved the video and actually cleans up and makes alot of things make sense! Love ya pooh 😘
Also. The Funtimes are mostly AI that dicts their acts. The souls or remnant are too confused that they play the role their character AI made them to act. Which also explains the whole "they thought I was you" both because of the torture to the Funtimes and because of the children's souls.
so in theory, withered freddy in save them is not withered freddy, because doesnt have buttoms in the chest and a hat to begin with, freddy in take cake minigame has no ears and no bowtie, can we really use consistent design theory in 8 bits minigaes wheres fredbear in fnaf 4 minigames dont have buttoms????????????
@@thesmilingman7576 and why make another incident in 1987 that is not more bought again in the timeline? why scraptrap and springtrap looks nothing like each other? why fredbear dont have buttoms in fnaf 4 minigames?
Great theory but I still believe in Molten MCI… well kinda. Since I believe in Golden-both as well, people think it wouldn’t really work since Molten Freddy would then have six spirits plus the crying child. But I think that the endoskeleton of Golden Freddy is possessed by C.C while Cassidy is possessing the shell. So when William dismantled the animatronics, he brought the endoskeleton of Golden Freddy that had the spirit of C.C injecting his soul into the Funtimes. Cassidy would attach herself to William keeping him alive no matter how many times he burns. I think Funtime Freddy is possibly a representation of C.C and C.C along with the other missing children excluding Cassidy, became Molten Freddy after kicking out Elizabeth. That’s just a theory though
I really agree with this theory especially the animatronic programing overruling the souls although I have 2 questions 1 how would the rules you listed out for possession work in the case of the crying child since he didn’t die in the suit but would still posses it 2 would the reason for golden Freddy is able to do so much more than the average animatronic also be that since it’s stuck in suit mode there is no programming for it to fallow allowing Cassidy (and CC to a lesser extent) to be able to do whatever she wants along with her extra painful death allowing her to do even more stuff (it would also explain scraptrap since he doesn’t have that many endo parts meaning no programming to limit William)
1.This actually would explain why the BV's stuck in a sort of black void and not a normal haunted character. He isn't motivated by revenge, but his death was directly died to a suit but not enough to concretely haunt it like most kids. He's basically trapped in limbo. 2. Probably not, but also kinda. See, we know from William that if a springlock suit is stuck in animatronic mode in the safe room, it just collapses unable to move until it's taken out of the room. Animatronics aren't supposed to be in that room, and can't go in it unless moved there by outside forces. If CassidySpringlocked is true, then they are permanently in animatronic mode, but an animatronic mode with no coding in a constant glitch state, however being the vengeful spirit might make that a moot point if GF is so super natural it can act anyways.
@@siresquawks 1 oh ok that makes sense 2 i feel he would have also just put golden back into suit mode after cassidy died but before she could posses it to at least keep up appearances and possibly to prevent her from being an issue if his theory ends up being true (which it did) it would still result in golden not being bound to his code or at least thats how i see it working
Horrifically stupid idea: Nellek Fogg's /*bonus remnant*/ is the reason Mike's still alive. Nell isn't nearly as connected to the MCI or William as the rest of them (this theory is purposefully made as a very stupid joke)
4:08 Actually, I disagree with that... Actually the whole "5 DCI" kids thing is something I disagree with, we see 6 blood puddles, and we have to take JJ into consideration. Like, I remember a theory that someone made about JJ, about how her lack of arms in UCN connects to how the soul inside her died, and how her hiding under the tables actually connects with how she acts in FNaF 2, hiding under the Office Table. Plus, all the toys act extremely weird, way too weird to be just a malfunction. I mean, what kind of malfunction changes a robot's eyes to pitch black and makes them tear off their beak and crawl on vents? I don't think those are malfunctions, I think it's possession. Plus, for all it's worth... Why is Toy Chica missing her beak in FNaF 4? Because the kid likes taking her beak off when playing with her, and that characteristic is present in Toy Chica, which means at least that soul is possessing Toy Chica in FNaF 2. 9:04 We really can't take what Baby says in this scene as true, though. As she says in the game, she is very good at pretending. That might just be Elizabeth pretending to be Baby rather than Baby talking about Elizabeth. Also, your whole point about the AI is... Well, It's kinda weird. No AI is sufficiently advanced to do that, especially in 1993 or in 1988. I know technology isn't really consistent in FNaF, ESPECIALLY considering 2 and 3, but that level of AI is way too advanced. All the other animatronics had pre-made voice lines, most likely, and a code to walk through the pizzeria map, you're pretty much arguing that Baby is a self aware AI like Hal 9000. 10:00 But if Baby is the "evil" to be destroyed, what's the point of Elizabeth rebuilding that body, as well as using her voice? Wouldn't she just be bringing the evil back that way? Seems to me like "Baby" is pretending there's something wrong with her, like she says she does throught the game.
Well to be fair this is the universe where animatronic have been smart enough to walk towards where people are since before 1983, and aniamtronics with facial recognition in 1987, so a game that this theory puts at mid to late 90s or even early 2000s having AI isn’t that absurd. Like this isn’t even me making a concept up, HandUnit is practically an AI himself. Baby doesn’t need to be Hal9000, she just needs to be smart enough to impede Elizabeth’s control. The lines aren’t necessarily pre recorded. They respond to things happening in real times. “I see you over there in the dark” and “Is someone there? I can hear someone creeping through my room”. Those are direct responses to what Mike is doing. You also misunderstand, Elizabeth still likes Baby the character. She thought she was pretty and shiny and wanted to play with her, but Baby’s AI (in this theory) is the reason she doesn’t have control, so it needs to be destroyed so only Elizabeth can remain.
@@siresquawksif I Remember correctly in One of the books like the encyclopedia It said that the funtime's voices were pre-recorded apart from Baby's and Ballora's so yeah
@@siresquawks Well, yes, but one thing is walking towards people, possibly in a pre-determined location in the pizzeria, and an argument that goes If (person matches criminal database){ call police } else{ do nothing } the other is to make the AI know stuff. Plus, we have AIs today that read out stuff for us, even stuff we type, so HandUnit being able to tell Mike's name (which is what I think you mean by HandUnit being an AI, even though he's more akin to Google Translate's speak up feature, if that makes sense) is not that weird, but Baby having self awareness is. About the lines reacting to things in real time, they could be stuff that's in there in case of security breaches, pre-recorded lines made to activate if the animatronics detect some sort of movement in a room. Also, yeah, Elizabeth likes Baby's character... But I doubt she'd like her enough to mimic her own voice all the time, never dropping the façade, instead of just using her regular voice. She's essentially adopting a fursona (or clownsona in this case) as her new identity according to this theory. Wouldn't that also make her reunion with her dad confusing and more possible for him to see her as just Baby pretending to be Elizabeth instead of Elizabeth? (At least in Elizabeth's eyes, she thinks her father loves her and isn't just using her, so wouldn't she rationalize that her having Baby's voice would lead to him believing this robot thing who killed his daughter is now mimicking her for her own twisted fun?)
Outside of Baby the Funtimes ONLY have luring and storage features according to their blue prints. Ironically William Afton NEVER listed Baby's claw and counting program on her blue print meaning ONLY the more tame features were. Funtime Freddy's storage tank, Funtime Foxy's scent emitter and Baby's ability to make ice cream and blow up balloons with her fingers. On their own these specifically have harmless answers. Storage tank, a place for birthday presents or a cake. Scent emitter, atmospheric incense to calm a rowdy party, ice cream machine, cake and ice cream are popular at birthday parties. Air hoses to inflate Balloons, a balloon is a nice gift for party guests. All of those can be explained away easily. (Ballora's features are mostly to keep her balanced while dancing so aren't really relevant to this subject.)
Yknow the ending of the video gave me an idea. You said that william might be wondering why charlie is so special and why he doesnt have control over her. So what if to feel better than henry, he intentionally gets elizabeth killed? He keeps telling her to stay away hoping it will get her to see baby in an act of defiance. Its several years since elizabeths death and sister location i assume so william had plenty of time to "put her back together" so maybe as you said william is trying to throw michael off his trail by sending him down to the bunker knowing how dangerous it is and not caring if he succeeds. Theres no evidence for this, its just an interesting idea that i thought id share
Mayeb the MCI kids are only in ballora ? Sense she’s a distraction she can’t kill kids herself Maybe Funtime foxy has also Kci kids in it ? Sense they are made to lore kids not kill So freddy and baby are the 2 made to kill kids or hold kids
Big fan of your work but I think you might be mistaken with the puppet not stuffing the DCI because In AR it is revealed that the new developers cannot get mangle to do their anti gravity hanging to the wall or get their facial recognition to work (for all the toys) with the implications that the animatronics only got these ability’s because they where haunted
I would also argue that mangles new voice lines give new context to the bite of 87 and imply that the bite was more of a lashing out but aside from being evidence of possession is only marginally related, at least until Sb
Mangle could do the things they do because the toys used parts from the withereds. So it's not really like a fully sentient animatronic doing things, but a semi-haunted animatronic that doesn't have as much understanding of the things around them unlike the withereds, and lashes in animalistic anger.
What's interesting is that this support the paralel between Charlie and Elizabeth. After all, William made Circus Baby specifically to emulate the Puppet's properties, they were supposed to be identical, the same thing, a 'leader' for the animatronics. It all seems to also support a possible theme of scientists dabbling with something they can't possibly understand, and should leave alone, because, even after Baby became possesed by Elizabeth, it could not control the animatronics, they are all out of control, sadistic, evil killing machines who anwser to no one. Baby became an artifical king with no rule, a pale imitation of the truly supernatural, incomprehensible Puppet. If a jester is someone who leads fools around convincing them that they're kings, while the real kings watch and gain profits, ironically, William xreated s perfect jester
I've always liked to think that while William's decision to get in the springbonnie suit was a act of desperation it was also a relatively informed gamble.
In all the timelines I've seen by his death William understands at least the broad strokes of how possession happens.
Close proximity to painfull death can get an animatronic possessed.
So William's gamble has 3 endings.
1. Everything works and he escapes alive.
2. He dies in the suit.
3. He dies in the suit And Comes Back.
The children had him cornered.
The suit was his best chance at continued existence one way or another.
MOVIE SPOILERS :
hence why when he gets springlocked in the movie, he *intentionally* puts on the Spring Bonnie head. he knew he didn't stand a chance of surviving, but he also knew dying in the suit, he will come back.
@@jojostarsea The movie also makes Springlock suits seem like fucking Power Armor so that makes sense why he'd wanna put it on since it's basically both physical and spiritual protection.
"Why William made Baby"
Well when a mommy and a daddy love each other very much
The moment you called Mike "an immortal zombie man" (17:44-17:46 for ease of reference), I had a thought. We know that Mike saw himself as Clara for at least a bit due to the Security Logbook, but post-scoopage he's also a little bit Vlad now! He's literally The Immortal and the Restless, an unkillable undead guy who *will not rest* until he brings his father to justice! I can't believe I didn't put this together until now, honestly...
The Puppet might have lost a lot of programming, but Lefty was able to capture it by emitting the same signal as Charlie's old wristband. So something was still left. Then again, if no one had that same wristband until Henry copied it into Lefty - free Puppet.
Giving me content like this... It's not even my anniversary... I feel spoiled. This stuff actually kinda helps me better make sense of some things in my own head, even though I can't 100% stick with everything I'm given. My mind is constantly rearranging the pieces.
same, like "was Mangle around" or "no, that was before Charlotte did that"
@@dii3218If only Mangle was around.
Actually, Funtime Freddy being possessed by some other kid could explain some things. It also feels like that could be his testing with his mindset of “the Puppet stuffed the kids in the suits and are now possessed, so if I stuff a kid into a stomach compartment then maybe it will be possessed too.” That would also explain why Freddy seems so violent and needs a Bon Bon hand puppet to have built in calming features. If Freddy is designed to store the kids, then why would he be aggressive? The other possessed suits are aggressive and to William especially. Then that also explains why Freddy takes over in Ennard and kicks baby out, he’s one who is actually inhabited by a spirit while the others are just programming, with Baby trying to side with the man who used Freddy as an experiment.
Some other thing F. Freddy having a soul fixes is the conundrum of 5 pieces into one whole. For MoltenMCI, people typically just go handwave any questions for how in the world G. Freddy got into the remnant pool. Especially since there is no animatronic to destroy. But now, we have our fifth soul. The five souls being the MCI souls - whoever possessed G. Freddy + whoever possessed F. Freddy.
Actually the remnant thing gives Golden Freddy to Michael as the scooper gives out remnant every time it's used. Mike was scooped and Baby knew it would happen. In fact she counts on him being afflicted with remnant in order to keep her promise that 'you won't die'. Also blue prints generally show the intended use of a device so there's no actual proof of a corpse in funtime Freddy especially given that Ennard exists. Ennard according to all official Fnaf media ONLY contains robot parts so there's no place for a human corpse especially with why the funtimes chose to become Ennard. Also the ghost version of Golden Freddy is something only Michael would see as it's a part of him in his new state. Despite being a real object the puppet once possessed acts like a ghost especially when the music box runs out and she's hunting the night guard. Can't be seen on cameras and immediately accesses the office once 'pop goes the weasel' finishes playing. Also Cassidy was reduced to both remnant and agony because Afton most likely took the Fredbear suit post Fnaf 2 as in the Fnaf 3 mini games you never have to play as Golden Freddy instead you play as a disembodied ghost implying it's animatronic body was the first one taken. 'We had a suit in the back a yellow one, someone used it now none of them are acting right.' - Phone Guy Fnaf 2. That could ONLY be Fredbear because Afton kept spring bonnie in his personal possession at all times post MCI, as the cops could jail him immediately if it was ever discovered as it would be on all recovered CCTV relating to the MCI. Pizzeria simulator proves this with an arcade Easter egg in which in a reflection on a arcade game screen we witness spring bonnie abduct Susie using a false promise to convince her to follow him. This plays like a camera video feed but is completely supernatural. Meaning it's a memory of Susie's imbued into the game she was playing the day she was killed by William Afton. The Fnaf 2 mini games are memories of specific animatronics. Golden Freddy remembers dying separately to the other 4, the puppet remembers trying to save Charlie and failing, then Charlie remembers trying to save the four MCI victims she discovered in the parts and service room. Withered foxy remembers his last day of active service, in which he encountered both Afton and four of the MCI victims which is why he sees through the Freddy mask. He saw a night guard near the dead bodies so knows something is up. The jumpscare ending the mini game tells you whose memory it is. Susie was the first victim because she was the easiest to abduct, the arcade she was in was the nearest room to the blind spot of parts and service. He had to work harder in the party room as there were parents around which was why he used spring bonnie, the parents never suspected a birthday mascot. Susie was alone so she was easy pickings for Afton.
@AloneTheorist
The corpse in Freddy I’m referring to is in the blueprint of him. Each of the four funtimes have blueprints that show their different features which is how we know what their purposes were for kidnapping children. In Freddy’s blueprint we can see an outline of what appears to be a curled up child inside his stomach which would mean his stomach hatch is built in a very specific, child like shape which is both wrong (from how it appears in literally any media when we see inside) and makes no sense. The other option is that the Stomach hatch is showing a child already inside. While logically that makes no sense, there really is no other way to show this detail if it is real and making no logical sense hasn’t stopped this franchise before. I agree Golden’s remnant is most likely who’s got injected into Michael to keep him alive for your listed reasons, this doesn’t disprove the idea that a child could be possessing Funtime Freddy. And the detail of Ennard being only robotic parts, he leaves so much as well and doesn’t take every piece of the Funtimes into his body as we see their shells in the Scooper room and Baby later on is unable to even reform herself with many pieces missing and damaged. With that being said there is no reason for Ennard to add a corpse to his mass if the corpse is even still in Freddy. Since William made it to kidnap kids, there is a very high chance Freddy captured the child, only for it to die in the process and William receiving the corpse, removing it as it would prevent any future captures.
I think the point against William going back for the classic animatronics in MoltenMCI Alter-S, or any MoltenMCI interpretation, can be explained not as William going for the Remnant, but to clean up loose ends. We know him to be a control freak, and by the time he was making the Funtime animatronics, he was gunning for a full understanding of Remnant and possession and the likes. He wanted to make this stuff consistent, first with Charlie's possession, then the classics. With the basics now understood, he can move to experimentation to make the possession more effective, so he can be in complete control of the animatronic, rather than just a voice or something that can occasionally take over. This means that he no longer needs the classics, but he also wasn't going to let them link the MCI back to him, no matter how small those odds were. So he goes to dismantle the classics, hoping that as piles of junk they wouldn't be able to do anything to stop him, not realizing that it simply lets the souls roam. From there, it's as Follow Me plays out, the souls corner William, he puts on the suit, and gets springlocked.
I always wondered whether or not Elizabeth has control over Baby because of the way she speaks about it in SL, nice to see someone finally talking about it. I swear, you always answer my FNAF shower thoughts and I love it.
I agree with you that FNAF is very Sci-fi, and part of Sci-fi is the exploration of where technology intersects with other things; Asimov's robot stories are always about this; the three rules of robotics is a framework for creating stories were the programing comes into conflict with something happening in real time and so the outcome often technically follows "the rules" but is not what anyone would expect. With FNAF, I suspect the theme here is the intersection of computer programing/ robotics and the super natural. Is FNAF sci-fi or horror? I think it's both; it's the ghost in the shell; it's the soul and the AI. It's about transhumanism, to some extent, like Cyberpunk 2077 (or Bladerunner) but with a literal afterlife / spiritual component to contend with.
So that's what "put her back together" means! Thank you very much for such deep and important theory videos, you're truly a gem in the FNAF community.
I think the idea it's actually guilt keeping the Puppet there a very interesting character point. It really enhances this concept of Charlie being this good kid, trying to do everything for these friends in a near motherly way, even killing guards.
Here's an interesting thing I noted from the first four games only: until then, every possession was sort of explained/could be explained with some thunking (the kids and William die in the suits, they possess the suits; Golden Freddy is the Bite Victim, he isn't possessing Fredbear, actually, he is a spirit taking an illusory form of Fredbear with a spin of the current Freddy, that's why it's always a golden copy of Freddy; the Toy bots have parts of the original robots in them, creating a link between them)...
All of them, except one: the Puppet. The Puppet was the only possession we got no explanation for, we just accepted the Puppet was possessed because it was. So, the question remained, how it happened?
IMO, in the original lore of the 4 first games (and this can still be sort of valid for the retconned, canon lore), there are two forms of possession: "enforced" possession and "voluntary" possession.
One is when you die in a suit or your dead body is stuffed in a suit for long enough (MCI + William), the other is the case of the Puppet and Golden Freddy (technically): they are wayward spirits who are trapped in this world, unable themselves to move on. Since they're wayward spirits, unlike the dead stuffed in suits which are bound to the suits, the Puppet and Golden Freddy can move freely without a body and can voluntarily possess something. The Puppet does such, Golden Freddy doesn't. (at least, it's how I see the original lore Scott wanted for those games to go)
With this, you could say it was Charlie's choice not to move on and stay to help the kids: she is here specifically to do such and make sure no more kids die again. That is her goal as the Puppet.
I adhere to the theory that there are 2 souls in the golden freddy. The soul of the bite victim is passive, perhaps only a part of his consciousness is there. The idea that this is so because Fred Bear bit off part of his brain...it seems strained and strange, but possible. We're not sure about Cassidy and her death, maybe she, like Charlie, chose her own appearance, but her immateriality is still annoying. She literally communicates with Michael through a logbook and causes him to hallucinate, I wonder where her soul resides...Is she omnipresent?
Glad I’m not the only one who thinks that contact during death is the key to possession and why possessed Toys is very faulty when you really think about it.
Though I still think Sister locations events happen before Fnaf 2, mostly because of the opening line to the game and the fact that it’s heavily implied that the Circus babies animtronics are owned by Fazbear entertainment. I see the toys facial recognition systems being made not to keep criminals out. But one man who was fired from his high position who could try to sabotage the new restaurant.
Still a good theory.
PossessedToys is a fact.there’s no way they aren’t possessed
@@maskedmantobi_2009 At the Very Least? They're agony infused
@@maskedmantobi_2009
I mean, I don’t think by the second batch of dead kids in the restaurant but the old spirits from the animatronics.
Like the Mr.Cupcake in the movie, where Chica’s spirit can possess Mr.Cupcake and be a feral plastic.
NO, it is NOT possessed by a dog, the intro only showed them being lured.
The toys have the mci85 souls, because fazbear reused some withereds parts in the toys
@@Wizardjones69
I agree that the M.C.I spirits possess the Toys, but I don’t know how, as non of the designs from the Toys seem to match the Withered and the endoskeleton used for both are Endo 02, which is the more advanced one that is used for security stuff.
The part where you say that the Puppet doesn't seemingly have any programming left (about 8:45) is a little off, as it doesn't take into account LEFTE and how Henry explicitly used the green armbands and music box to lure/soothe the Puppet when capturing him for FNAF 6. The Puppet still definitely has its programming intact which honestly makes it an even better example of your point that you make.
The Puppet is one of the most powerful entities in the franchise and yet is still servant to its music box and armband programming.
Speaking of FNAF 6 and LEFTE, I'd love to hear your thoughts at some point on why the FNAF 6 animatronics dont attack each other since they hate each other so much
Not enough people compliment your art. Love the thumbnails/visuals in your videos!
Y'know, one thing in particular that you said in this theory got me to thinking about something.
If Baby was supposed to be William's own kind of replacement for Charlie/Puppet, as a sort of method for controlling the animatronics, is that why one of the early WIP models for Baby in the "Making Baby" SL Extras just randomly and specifically shows her with brown hair before switching to another version of the exact same model but with the red hair?
I kinda doubt Scott actually thought about that to that extent ahead of time, but it'd be interesting if that was a connection
Either way, an interesting video! I'm glad to hear more talk about just how much of the programming the suits have is affecting the haunting of the spirits. The weirdly super advanced tech of the franchise tripped everyone up for a lot of time, I feel, despite it kinda being a plot point since the first game. But since we could never take for certain if the explanation phone guy gave had any weight, it was easy to brush off. I think that Springtrap's audio lure mechanic in 3 was supposed to give it more credence (along with the facial recognition tech in the Toys too), but since at that point in the franchise William had been kinda hyped up as this big Mysterious Murder Happy Super Sadistic Kid Killer I think everyone just assumed he was a dumb zombie who couldn't help himself the moment he heard a child in the other room and would just go sprinting across the hall
I also do like the explanation of William coming back to the FNAF location just to get the old Spring Bonnie suit that's been confiscated. Makes a lot more sense than getting the original 4 for parts (which also would be the 2nd time that specific plot point is used with the original animatronics and that's always been weird to me). Hell, maybe he saw that specific suit as some kind of unique lucky item and grew attached to it, and thats why he didn't bother just making a replica of it on his own when he clearly could have
And narratively, I never felt William was ACTUALLY that smart (like, sure, a genius when it came to robots but not much else) and always seemed like a super reckless and impulsive individual, especially since every single plan he has in the games never really works out for him the way he expects. He just kinda is in a constant state of scrambling around to pick up and put together whatever pieces he can salvage when everything goes to shit, not unlike when CC died.
I like to imagine William does something without thinking it through, it backfires horrible and later Will's like "uhhhh, yeah, it was all plan of my master plan, I've got everything under control, as everything is crumbling around him.
I like to imagine William does something without thinking it through, it backfires horrible and later Will's like "uhhhh, yeah, it was all plan of my master plan, I've got everything under control", as everything is crumbling around him.
Honestly, I’d love if eventually you made either a mashup or massive timeline video covering this proposed narrative so we can more easily view it in its entirety. As it stands now these theories are great, and so having one big video to go over it all eventually would make sharing it around much easier.
agreed! squawksverse timeline summary is needed.
Makes sense that the Puppet can go anywhere if its circuits were fried and damaged in the rain, cant really program anything in that state
By the way, I did think of a possible justification for why William may want the classics if NelFuntime Freddy and ControlBaby is true.
If Baby failed to control Nel's Funtime Freddy, William may turn to controlling the "animalistic" classic animatronics in desperation. Afterall, Baby under these theories is William's simulacrum of Charlie and if Charlie has sway over the classics maybe Baby will too?
8:21 "We know *for a fact* in FNAF 3 William cannot override Springbonnie's programming to go near the voices of kids."
If I recall correctly, there is a small chance ingame (1/7?) for Springtrap to not move to a sound. Generally speaking this is true, but that variable brings up the question of how true can it be. Whether its actually the AI failing to recognize the sound due to deterioration, or somehow by William's free will, I'm not certain.
Gvien how Sprigtrap seems to fall for the lure less frequently further in the game, I always interpeteted it as Bonnie's sensors slowly breaking and degrading over the course of the week. In other words, the thing is more dangerous when it's malfunctioning
What I love about this channel is how you seem to be focusing on pre-SB stuff mostly. I do like the timeline post-SB, but these videos are proof that we still have more to solve even when we’re talking about pre-SB
I absolutely adore your theories, they forge an interesting and really smart and compelling narrative with actual themes and ideas. William and Michael feel like actual consistent characters.
One of the most satisfying theories on the subject I’ve seen, although it does leave me with a few questions:
It does seem like the Toys are possessed in FNaF 2, for one thing they all do something messed up with their eyes, BB looks like just a static plastic statue yet it can move, and the AR emails say that Fazbear’s engineers are incapable of making their Mangle model walk on the walls and ceiling, implying that the original one had some sort of otherworldly force driving it. How are the Toys capable of doing this if not through possession?
And maybe I just missed something in the video but why would William destroy the Classics if he’s not collecting remnant?
The toys can be "possessed" without having dedicated kids. Between the teaser "Something old, something borrowed" and Phone Guy saying they use the old animatronics for parts, it seems like the Toys are haunted by the reused parts from the MCI kids.
mfw been binge watching all your theorys for a good few monrhs now, the way you present your evidence and try and put it in a cohesive and digestible tl while also remaining very critical is what draws me to your videos.
i really like where your going with this string of videos, keep it up 💗
also the theory to do with the mci being attached to William was rlly something I hadn't thought of before gawd daymn
I really appreciate how character focused your theories are, while still making sense with what we're shown. Really excited for that Puppet and Baby video. Keep it up!
Wait you think Mike is Clara too?! HOW HAVE I NOT SEEN THAT VIDEO??!! I've been obsessed with my theory that Mike and William are parallels to Clara and Vlad for FOREVER
I'm going to find that video right now
ruclips.net/video/uc-T0J00p3c/видео.htmlsi=FpCwXszYdakZHuY8
Love this theory, it ties up a lot of loose ends, at least in my books. I'm not a super hardcore theorist fan, but I am definitely adopting your interpretation of this into my little understanding of the timeline. Good stuff!
Molten MCI being concurrent with Sister Location is a little weird with this theory considering apparently Willy was able to get the Remnant, go down to the bunker and inject it into the Funtimes, but then apparently wasn't willing to just get Baby out while he was in there injecting Remnant in the 3-4 killmaxxing robots. I always thought that Sister Location probably took place after Willy got Springlocked and Michael got the message to 'Put her back together' as like a dead man's switch. Willy probably had a back up plan with Baby in case he died/got Springlocked since he knew she would want to make him proud.
“Killmaxxing” lol. Funtime animatronics are mewing
The Funtimes weren't made to kill.
Just to KIDNAP to trap kids, lure them and catch them. Baby mentions she failed and that caused the death of Elizabeth.
Reason why she's connected to her unlike the other Funtimes.
I think the idea that each of Candy Cadet's stories could mean different things is something more people should talk about
This is one of the best FNaF theories I’ve heard in a while. It’s always so fun to listen to your latest ideas. Keep up the good work!
Love the detail and effort you put in wish you were recognized more in the theory community
Oh yeah,that thumbnail with the guy reminds me,is the guy on the thumbnail,plus in FFPS cutscenes William Afton? I mean,he has a cleft chin like William in Fnaf 3,and his smile is.... Unsettling to say the least,what are your thoughts about the Fnaf pizzeria simulator cutscene guy being William? Is it possible or no?
maybe? I found he’s got the vibe of the William, and the aniamtronics do think William’s the one calling them because of that video.
I've been trying to write a short book/novel with the lore of the games. I lean on many theorists to build a coherent narrative, and you can't imagine how much you've helped me make sense of everything. Thank you so much!
I feel like this recontextualizes Fourth Closet almost because back then I don't think there was really a reason for Baby to be Charlie's rival other than just, needing to adapt SL and her and Lizzie both being daughters of the men behind freddy's. I know Fourth Closet didn't have a stake in this but it was a neat little thing, I also like how Spring Bonnie is presented her, that is important to Afton because it was his suit, his go to for a disguise.
11:04 That was always my favorite line in Sister Location, really added to Baby's character.
You idea for Nel-Funtime Freddy is interesting and something I been tossing the back of my mind, not completely the version in the video but the general idea
Man, i don’t think ive ever been this hooked on a video before.. actually i was hooked on that puppetstuffed video.. i guess that shows how good of a fnaf theorist you are
Man this video is top tier. Your theories always both make sense logically and create a really compelling narrative
because he liked clowns i guess
There is a person named Stormister here on RUclips that made a video that sort of conplimented your own theory about Molten MCI + S.
You should watch it for yourself, but the basic of it is that the reason Scraptrap looks the way he does is because he took parts from Golden Freddy in an attempt to get around the audio limits of the Springbonnie programming
Maybe the reason will goes to get the old animatronics because it’s a hell of a lot harder to make a kid at someone else’s party disappear without coming back to you, especially after (at least) a decade of local news telling people that having anything to do with them is dangerous
I am so dumb, i misread the title and i was like “well duh William made baby 🙄”
Um actually desk man made baby /s
I think I seen a few comments saying Circus Baby is made by Henry prior to this video
the squawksverse becomes better and better with each installment! please keep this train going, it's amazing so far
The mini games are stored data - What if the reason the minigames of FNAF2 are 8-bit /very primitive in their visuals/presentation is to convey they are the stored data on the circuit boards themselves, or "old information" that the machines "remember". I don't know about later games, but I've always felt like the art-style choice isn't random; it's telling us, the viewer, something about the origin of what we are looking at. In AR and Help wanted, I think the mention of using Old hardware and the idea that old hardware can store something dangerous is meant to emphasize this idea there there's stuff being stored; there is information that means something and I think it's not just one exe file named Mimic1; again people fixate over the story bit, but I think it's suppose to point back to a bigger shared idea; the old data is important; their "story", what happened to them (the ghosts) is recorded and kept in zeros and ones. I think the ghosts/mascots not being able to directly express themselves also feeds into this; they would say something if they could, but they can't; but they can "show you". Maybe them being "death mini games" is because you've been caught, your dead, now they can "show you" what happened.
Good shit, as always. Looking forward to the Charlie/Elizabeth Foils video.
THAT EXPLAINS SO MUCH Like Circus baby's weird character and more so character switch from scrap baby to circus baby, like why would elizabeth pretend to not be elizabeth despite knowing mike knows shes elizabeth even if shes assuming that's william even though that makes it even worse.
Baby is the ONLY giant in sister location. Funtime freddy is 6ft tall according to his blue prints and funtime foxy is a bit shorter than that. Ballora is also roughly adult human sized. Circus Baby is 7'2 according to her blue prints making her the ONLY non human sized animatronic in the bunker.
what are you saying, I'm 7'2
hey im greatly proud of you for making this video. the empty room in fnaf 4 really confused many folks about the purpose of circus baby's creation. but seeing her as the william.afton version of the puppet is extremely smart. good job
i am forever calling the Funtimes "Murder Clowns" now 🤣
now that caught me offguard, truly a transcendant "bye", no one could have expected such greatness.
I don't know if I really agree with your timeline of events anf stuff but I really appreciate how you put it all together concisely instead of rambling on about barely connected plot points for 20 minutes, makes the theory much easier to digest
I like you line of thinking. This isn't a question I have seen asked often.
Great video weird bird thing 😮 Im hyped for part 2.
So close to calling it, "Ffog-time Freddy"
12:04 Ues Mike and Will aren’t the same, but Mike says in the Cudtom Night cutscene that he “put her back together just like you asked me to” which means even though Mike did it, it was still William’s intention that did both
Maybe William uses the remnant from the classics because of suspicions from local authorities is growing because kids are missing when any of the fun times are sent to party’s, meaning the fun times aren’t being sent out as much leading to William to go to the classics to keep his possession addiction alive as he’s running out of remnant
I am really liking what your videos are building here. There should probably be a name for the collective story we have on the table here, all the way from the charliestuff video. Squawks Canon? Squanon?
Idk. I guess Squawksline sounds good.
3:42 thought he did it before the events of the game and that's why the toys are possessed
idk why you started playing it's pizza time out of nowhere but it made the video so much better. your theories are very interesting
11:04 caught me off guard 💀
18:05 because Micheal is alive he doesn't want him to die and for some reason you believe he is trying to kill him.
No, Micheal had no idea what was happening and sister location started his mission to find his father.
Wether or not you believe in molten MCI, the killing features are never scene again because the idea was scrapped.
This theory is great, and I thought a bit more about the Toys point and I think one way we could look at it is that the building becomes haunted by the DCI not the suits, as we see in the fnaf movie the souls can keep doors closed and open doors on their own meaning they have some control over the building, so while there’s little precedent for souls staying in a space instead of a animatronic (unless random short story #42 wants to back it up) it does explain why they’re aggressive (and mangle sticks to walls) while never being shown with kids inside, and the fact mangle has no place to put a kid without being seen probably means it was apart of “original lore” (1-3). So once any semblance of Freddy’s is removed from the location they can move on and not have lore relevance. (Imo this interpretation is a way to have your cake and eat it)
I keep watching it back and every time it feels longer. How are you this concisely thorough???
8:34 in FNaF 1 it's because they can't move during the day in FNaF 2 I don't knoe honestly scare tactics since Mangle can do it just fine
I think this is the first time commenting on a video of yours but i have been watching them since the Vanny is more simplier than you think video. Great video as always and i wanted to share an option as to how Molten Freddy or the other three funtimes in general have remmant
it's not because william injected the MCI remmant on them or whatever, the scooper did when they started the whole becoming ennard plan on SL Night 5
i mean, the scooper did give Michael remmant, why wouldn't it give Funtime Freddy, Funtime Foxy and Ballora remmant
that also goes to my little theory that says that just because something has remmant doesn't mean it's possesed
again, The Scooper has remmant, does it mean it's also possessed? i don't think so.
anyway that was my little thought, i also loved the Kellen Golf joke near the end
Yet that remnant still has to come from somewhere, and Baby says she's been out before, meaning that the characters can and have been scooped and put back. The scooper is the meathod of injecting remnant, hypothetically that remnant comes from The MCI kids under MoltenMCI.
Remnant is inherently haunted, that's what makes it exist at all.
Baby wake up, new fnaf kino just dropped
- Martin Scorsese
I think that William built the Funtimes and opened Circus Baby Pizza World after the MCI, but before FNAF 2 due to William learning about Remnant. Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rental opened soon after the MCI location and Circus Baby Pizza World closed down. Sister Location happens between FNAF 1 and 3 as well. I also think that William killed the 2nd set of kids before he became the dayshift guard (before Jeremy got hired) which resulted in the Toys animatrononics possession. I agree with the rest of the video, though.
I think that circus baby entertainment and rentals was open right after circus baby pizza world closed, so willian killed the dci kids to inject their remnant into the funtimes
the more I think about this story the more it feels like two different stories put together and that's why the books and the movies are retcons - to make a story that actually makes sense because the games are just completely nonsensical when taken as a whole
excellent theory, very well put
I really enjoy that you use the known lore to analyze what characters are and there motivation so then explain why that lore happens. I do want to ask will you make a big video on your interpretation of the timeline?
Probably eventually
10:40 I WAS NO LONGER MYSELF
LIKE GLAMROCK FREDDY'S *"I AM NO LONGER ME"*
DUDE
theres 2 different things i could see Willy A potentially needing the classics' remnant for, either testing material to know how to best build the funtimes, or that the reason the mess-of-wire endoskeletons are capable of moving around at all is due to containing trace ammounts of remnant, which would fix some of the hyper advanced technology issues that SL has, which is vaguely supported by the fact that the animatronics still need to be shocked ecen when theres quote-unquote "no kids" inside them
but those are just two on the spot ideas, someone else could probably find a possibility i missed
idk if this will affect much but, I wanted to make a point that might or might not change this theory and future theory. With the movie we now know that william seems to not need a motivation to kill. what I mean is Crying Child or Elizabeth being a reason for william to start his killing streak could possibly be non exsistent. The Movie shows us that william will go far enough to kill his own kids with his own hands. If this is true this would create new prespective for things like maybe in Midnight Motorist it IS The CC and Micheal in the house or it could also confirm that william actually did kill someone in the Stage minigame in the fnaf 3 minigames (the missing child) I think we need to consider this new possibility that william is just evil, like Micheal Myers, he is evil in human form with no reason behind it.
Anyways I just wanted to make that point lol but hey AMAZING VIDEO, everything was incredibly crafted from start to finish and you did great explaining everything. Please make more theorys like this, they are great :)
The movie didn’t actually change much for William since we’re missing a lot of context for his actions.
There’s info we just don’t have right now.
@@siresquawks I hope the next movie kinda goes more in depth to williams character since we got nothing basically, but regardless I think my point should be sticked onto the theory board with old bubble gum because hey at least it isnt "robot kids in fnaf movie" theory 😤
Aren’t the smartest haunted animatronics who died by the hands of them? I mean, yeah, puppet never killed Charlie, but Baby scooped Elizabeth, The crying child was bit, and Cassidy was (objectively) springlocked
9:05 I think she's just trying to gain sympathy here and Elizabeth is in full control
Also Night 4
For explaining MoltenMCI, possibly:
A) After the incident at Baby's Pizza World killing kids at Party may be too suspicious
B) Under ToysMCI, William after the DCI failed try to experimenting with soul splitting shenanigans, the location get closed and the scrapped animatronic are took by Afton Robotics to experiment on the Funtimes, but considering the animatronics still too aggressive amd without intelligence (Like Baby) try to go back at the FNaF 1 location and taking the robots to try "fixing" the soul.
C) As far I remember, only Baby have killing features, while the other have kipnapping feature to find kid to run fear experiment
D) MoltenMCI cannot work
Maybe Funtime Freddy is possessed by the games version of Millie? Like maybe Millie got trapped in Funtime Freddy then killed and then she became vengeful and wanted to hurt others kinda like Cassidy?
William's timing and motivation with dismantling the Classics has also always bothered me, especially if you assume that he supposedly used them to make the Funtimes. It just doesn't click and this video made me think and realize something:
Taking a step back from FNAF as this megabeast of a franchise, the Follow Me games happened during FNAF 3. The Funtimes don't get introduced until Sister Location. According to Scott himself, he always tried to clarify in the next game what he felt like people were missing in the previous game, but Sister Location wasn't the next game after 3. Just looking at 1-3, and arguably even 4, there was no way to intuit "Oh, Purple Guy rripped these robots apart to use their ghost energy infused parts but *without* the ghosts, since those are obviously still there, to make an entirely new set of murder clown robots". There's just no through-line here. Double so if you consider that 3 and then 4 were supposed to be the end. This makes me pretty convinced that, whatever Willy's motivation was with taking them apart, it's entirely unrelated to the Funtimes and we should be able to figure it out from 1-3 and 4 at most.
I don't think there was a motivation beyond him just being an asshole and "killing" them again; just like there was no motivation for any of his actions. It didn't really matter at the time. Which is precisely why 3 was going to end with no explanation as to where the friggin' endos even went, which is what really gets to me. Even if, say, FazEnt cleared them out while presumably boarding up the backroom again, why would they leave the masks and shells behind? They are presumably the very same ones that Phone Dude and his crew used to make crappy mannequins at Fazbear's Fright, and he complains that they haven't found much interesting stuff, and that it's questionable if the Foxy head is real or just another crappy cosplay. If the endos had also been left, they'd have definitely been used as props, even if these dorks didn't have anyone to properly reassemble them.
So... what the fuck? lol In hindsight, it seems like a perfect sequel hook, but that doesn't seem to have been Scott's intention once upon a time. Unless he's exaggerating somewhat about "I thought it was a good end to a trilogy". I don't know.
I think he wanted to tye souls not be freed from their torture, willian is a monster, sadic, who loves the suffering of his murderes, so he wants to torment this souls to not go to heaven
Before learning about MoltenMCI, I always thought he was dismantling the animatronics to finally clean up all evidence of his crimes.
He didn't account for the spirits coming after him because he either didn't know about them at all or underestimated that destroying the suits would free the souls to come after him.
Trying to erase whatever evidence may be left after ten+ years seems like the most sensible assumption.
omg the biggest reason i love this theory is because when i read it i asked myself for the first time, “Ayo wait.. why did he do that..?”
Great video! I will say that the kid inside of funtime freddy likely doesnt exist. The image used to support that is not a scan of funtime freddy, its very clearly topology, and therefore a blueprint used to make funtime freddy. The child-shaped form in funtimes freddy is a placeholder that william modeled to ensure that a kid would indeed fit inside ft freddys hatch. But great theory!
I’m not saying the blueprint is of Funtime Freddy’s actual real body, but it shows what he was meant for. Why would William make a robot to put a kid in if he wasn’t going to do that?
Why would Scott introduce the concept of Funtime Freddy being able to fit a kid inside him if this wasn’t meant to happen? It’s a strange random decision if the idea is that he doesn’t end up with a kid put inside him.
Glad you liked the video though!
Always a good day when a new Sire Squwaks video drops
I love this theory, but theirs one thing that leans into why William would go after the og animatronics even tho the funtimes can kidnap kids, and idk how to make these makes sense, but in the fourth closet he kidnaps and plans on killing multiple kids and use them for his experiments before they get freed during the events of the book, which again I can’t remember exactly what reason that was in the books but if u read up on it it might more sense contextually, but this could also lean to your idea of Nell Funtime Freddy theory but again, this is Fnaf we’re talking about, loved the video and actually cleans up and makes alot of things make sense! Love ya pooh 😘
Also. The Funtimes are mostly AI that dicts their acts. The souls or remnant are too confused that they play the role their character AI made them to act. Which also explains the whole "they thought I was you" both because of the torture to the Funtimes and because of the children's souls.
12:25 it's before, it uses fixed versions of the withered designs and why would you board up a room in a building you aren't using anymore
so in theory, withered freddy in save them is not withered freddy, because doesnt have buttoms in the chest and a hat to begin with, freddy in take cake minigame has no ears and no bowtie, can we really use consistent design theory in 8 bits minigaes wheres fredbear in fnaf 4 minigames dont have buttoms????????????
@@Wizardjones69 I think that's due to detail limitations
@@Wizardjones69 and still why would you board up a room you aren't using anymore
@@thesmilingman7576 and why make another incident in 1987 that is not more bought again in the timeline? why scraptrap and springtrap looks nothing like each other? why fredbear dont have buttoms in fnaf 4 minigames?
@@Wizardjones69 ok you have a point there
3:34 or that's why they attacked him. This isn't conclusive evidence either way.
would love to see a full timeline video with your takes specifically
Wait, people thought someone else made baby? Didn't the opening of SL directly state it was him?
I seen a few people say Henry did it because of “The Fourth Closet”
@@smt64productions40 of course it's the forth closet. Thanks for informing me tho
@@Cian-A-Jones Well, technically, Henry made the base that became Baby but William add to it to make it Baby
Great theory but I still believe in Molten MCI… well kinda. Since I believe in Golden-both as well, people think it wouldn’t really work since Molten Freddy would then have six spirits plus the crying child. But I think that the endoskeleton of Golden Freddy is possessed by C.C while Cassidy is possessing the shell. So when William dismantled the animatronics, he brought the endoskeleton of Golden Freddy that had the spirit of C.C injecting his soul into the Funtimes. Cassidy would attach herself to William keeping him alive no matter how many times he burns. I think Funtime Freddy is possibly a representation of C.C and C.C along with the other missing children excluding Cassidy, became Molten Freddy after kicking out Elizabeth. That’s just a theory though
I really would like to see matpat react to some of your videos. It would be an interesting watch
I really agree with this theory especially the animatronic programing overruling the souls although I have 2 questions
1 how would the rules you listed out for possession work in the case of the crying child since he didn’t die in the suit but would still posses it
2 would the reason for golden Freddy is able to do so much more than the average animatronic also be that since it’s stuck in suit mode there is no programming for it to fallow allowing Cassidy (and CC to a lesser extent) to be able to do whatever she wants along with her extra painful death allowing her to do even more stuff (it would also explain scraptrap since he doesn’t have that many endo parts meaning no programming to limit William)
1.This actually would explain why the BV's stuck in a sort of black void and not a normal haunted character. He isn't motivated by revenge, but his death was directly died to a suit but not enough to concretely haunt it like most kids. He's basically trapped in limbo.
2. Probably not, but also kinda. See, we know from William that if a springlock suit is stuck in animatronic mode in the safe room, it just collapses unable to move until it's taken out of the room. Animatronics aren't supposed to be in that room, and can't go in it unless moved there by outside forces. If CassidySpringlocked is true, then they are permanently in animatronic mode, but an animatronic mode with no coding in a constant glitch state, however being the vengeful spirit might make that a moot point if GF is so super natural it can act anyways.
@@siresquawks 1 oh ok that makes sense
2 i feel he would have also just put golden back into suit mode after cassidy died but before she could posses it to at least keep up appearances and possibly to prevent her from being an issue if his theory ends up being true (which it did) it would still result in golden not being bound to his code or at least thats how i see it working
You wanna know what else baby says at the end. That she learned how to pretend.
Horrifically stupid idea: Nellek Fogg's /*bonus remnant*/ is the reason Mike's still alive. Nell isn't nearly as connected to the MCI or William as the rest of them (this theory is purposefully made as a very stupid joke)
Food for thought. Maybe baby was already scooped by the time by the time she was getting control shocked
the way the hunt the animatronics, remind the draugr from the nordic folklore, and the obour from slavic folklore...
4:08
Actually, I disagree with that... Actually the whole "5 DCI" kids thing is something I disagree with, we see 6 blood puddles, and we have to take JJ into consideration. Like, I remember a theory that someone made about JJ, about how her lack of arms in UCN connects to how the soul inside her died, and how her hiding under the tables actually connects with how she acts in FNaF 2, hiding under the Office Table. Plus, all the toys act extremely weird, way too weird to be just a malfunction. I mean, what kind of malfunction changes a robot's eyes to pitch black and makes them tear off their beak and crawl on vents? I don't think those are malfunctions, I think it's possession.
Plus, for all it's worth... Why is Toy Chica missing her beak in FNaF 4? Because the kid likes taking her beak off when playing with her, and that characteristic is present in Toy Chica, which means at least that soul is possessing Toy Chica in FNaF 2.
9:04
We really can't take what Baby says in this scene as true, though. As she says in the game, she is very good at pretending. That might just be Elizabeth pretending to be Baby rather than Baby talking about Elizabeth. Also, your whole point about the AI is... Well, It's kinda weird. No AI is sufficiently advanced to do that, especially in 1993 or in 1988. I know technology isn't really consistent in FNaF, ESPECIALLY considering 2 and 3, but that level of AI is way too advanced. All the other animatronics had pre-made voice lines, most likely, and a code to walk through the pizzeria map, you're pretty much arguing that Baby is a self aware AI like Hal 9000.
10:00
But if Baby is the "evil" to be destroyed, what's the point of Elizabeth rebuilding that body, as well as using her voice? Wouldn't she just be bringing the evil back that way? Seems to me like "Baby" is pretending there's something wrong with her, like she says she does throught the game.
Well to be fair this is the universe where animatronic have been smart enough to walk towards where people are since before 1983, and aniamtronics with facial recognition in 1987, so a game that this theory puts at mid to late 90s or even early 2000s having AI isn’t that absurd. Like this isn’t even me making a concept up, HandUnit is practically an AI himself. Baby doesn’t need to be Hal9000, she just needs to be smart enough to impede Elizabeth’s control.
The lines aren’t necessarily pre recorded. They respond to things happening in real times. “I see you over there in the dark” and “Is someone there? I can hear someone creeping through my room”. Those are direct responses to what Mike is doing.
You also misunderstand, Elizabeth still likes Baby the character. She thought she was pretty and shiny and wanted to play with her, but Baby’s AI (in this theory) is the reason she doesn’t have control, so it needs to be destroyed so only Elizabeth can remain.
@@siresquawksif I Remember correctly in One of the books like the encyclopedia It said that the funtime's voices were pre-recorded apart from Baby's and Ballora's so yeah
@@siresquawks Well, yes, but one thing is walking towards people, possibly in a pre-determined location in the pizzeria, and an argument that goes
If (person matches criminal database){
call police
}
else{
do nothing
}
the other is to make the AI know stuff. Plus, we have AIs today that read out stuff for us, even stuff we type, so HandUnit being able to tell Mike's name (which is what I think you mean by HandUnit being an AI, even though he's more akin to Google Translate's speak up feature, if that makes sense) is not that weird, but Baby having self awareness is.
About the lines reacting to things in real time, they could be stuff that's in there in case of security breaches, pre-recorded lines made to activate if the animatronics detect some sort of movement in a room.
Also, yeah, Elizabeth likes Baby's character... But I doubt she'd like her enough to mimic her own voice all the time, never dropping the façade, instead of just using her regular voice. She's essentially adopting a fursona (or clownsona in this case) as her new identity according to this theory. Wouldn't that also make her reunion with her dad confusing and more possible for him to see her as just Baby pretending to be Elizabeth instead of Elizabeth? (At least in Elizabeth's eyes, she thinks her father loves her and isn't just using her, so wouldn't she rationalize that her having Baby's voice would lead to him believing this robot thing who killed his daughter is now mimicking her for her own twisted fun?)
Outside of Baby the Funtimes ONLY have luring and storage features according to their blue prints. Ironically William Afton NEVER listed Baby's claw and counting program on her blue print meaning ONLY the more tame features were. Funtime Freddy's storage tank, Funtime Foxy's scent emitter and Baby's ability to make ice cream and blow up balloons with her fingers. On their own these specifically have harmless answers. Storage tank, a place for birthday presents or a cake. Scent emitter, atmospheric incense to calm a rowdy party, ice cream machine, cake and ice cream are popular at birthday parties. Air hoses to inflate Balloons, a balloon is a nice gift for party guests. All of those can be explained away easily. (Ballora's features are mostly to keep her balanced while dancing so aren't really relevant to this subject.)
Yknow the ending of the video gave me an idea. You said that william might be wondering why charlie is so special and why he doesnt have control over her. So what if to feel better than henry, he intentionally gets elizabeth killed? He keeps telling her to stay away hoping it will get her to see baby in an act of defiance. Its several years since elizabeths death and sister location i assume so william had plenty of time to "put her back together" so maybe as you said william is trying to throw michael off his trail by sending him down to the bunker knowing how dangerous it is and not caring if he succeeds. Theres no evidence for this, its just an interesting idea that i thought id share
Mayeb the MCI kids are only in ballora ? Sense she’s a distraction she can’t kill kids herself
Maybe Funtime foxy has also
Kci kids in it ? Sense they are made to lore kids not kill
So freddy and baby are the 2 made to kill kids or hold kids
Big fan of your work but I think you might be mistaken with the puppet not stuffing the DCI because In AR it is revealed that the new developers cannot get mangle to do their anti gravity hanging to the wall or get their facial recognition to work (for all the toys) with the implications that the animatronics only got these ability’s because they where haunted
I would also argue that mangles new voice lines give new context to the bite of 87 and imply that the bite was more of a lashing out but aside from being evidence of possession is only marginally related, at least until Sb
Mangle could do the things they do because the toys used parts from the withereds. So it's not really like a fully sentient animatronic doing things, but a semi-haunted animatronic that doesn't have as much understanding of the things around them unlike the withereds, and lashes in animalistic anger.
The Toy's don't need the DCI kids to be supernatural. They're using parts from the classic haunted suits.
@@siresquawksor they can have the agony from the shadow animatronics with mimic endos, but i believe more in toysmci instead of toyshadowagony
What's interesting is that this support the paralel between Charlie and Elizabeth. After all, William made Circus Baby specifically to emulate the Puppet's properties, they were supposed to be identical, the same thing, a 'leader' for the animatronics. It all seems to also support a possible theme of scientists dabbling with something they can't possibly understand, and should leave alone, because, even after Baby became possesed by Elizabeth, it could not control the animatronics, they are all out of control, sadistic, evil killing machines who anwser to no one. Baby became an artifical king with no rule, a pale imitation of the truly supernatural, incomprehensible Puppet. If a jester is someone who leads fools around convincing them that they're kings, while the real kings watch and gain profits, ironically, William xreated s perfect jester