When Chandler told Monica that it's okay that she is high maintenance but that he loves maintaining her, how was that not the sweetest thing ever in the history of tv?!
Ikr!!! That's my 3rd favorite Mondler moment with my second one being Chandler talking to Erica about how great Monica is and my first one obviously being their proposal
I totally thought about the same moment. Romance is theirs. The proposal? Their wedding vows? Bitch, please, they are the freaking' epidemy of relationship goals
"You make me happier than I ever thought I could be, and if you let me, I'll spend the rest of my life trying to make you feel the same way." How can Ross and Rachel top that?
I'm still crying when Chandler said I love my wife more the anything in this world and it kills me how I can't give her a baby she's a mother without a child 😢😢
Ikr I cried during that part too! I started sobbing though when Chandler was so upset when Joey told him that Monica was gone, and then when he walked into the room and during their whole proposal I was crying 😢
Ikr or the scene before when Chandler comes running back to the apartment and gets so upset when Joey tells him that Monica is gone i start crying at that scene and once Chandler walks into the candles and everything I start sobbing
Or the scene when he was trying to convince Erika(i don't remember her name exactly) that monica is going to be a great mother and it kills him that he can't make her one
Honestly, they should have won all of them. The reasons for Ross and Rachel were unbelievably thin, and some topics felt made up just to give them some points.
I think Ross and Rachel were more popular when the show was actually running because it kept audiences on their toes about "will they get together, won't they?" It brought a lot of suspense and drama which makes for great tv. But at the end of the day, Chandler and Monica's relationship stands the test of time. In 2020, most people see Ross and Rachel as toxic and Mondler as goals.
I totally agree, some friends fans argue with me when I say that I don't really like Ross, but one of the reasons is because I pretty much was Ross in high school, I would pull the whole "Nice guy" thing on a girl I liked just to get her to like me but when she would fall in love with a "Bad boy" I would get mad and be like "Why not me? I'm a nice guy." then once I was out of high school I learned that if you are the "Nice guy" just to make a girl like you then you're not really a nice guy.
I mean that’s the purpose of their relationship, I mean without their relationship the show would not be as popular, I personally think mondler is better relationship but Ross n rach have a better love story I mean when the hot off the plane is one of the best moments plus both relationships portray different type of relationships n mondler is meant to be seen as a perfect relationship while Ross n rach are a will they or won’t they relationship
If the show kept on going the kid named Joey that is scripted which Ross and Rachel would have had wouldn't have been their end as they would have just "Circle-ed of Life" into another breakup, whereas Monica & Chandler never did break up, so it would take a lot for them to do so anytime post-show as well. Enough said. M&C all the way.
Mondler is the winner for me for three reasons: 1) Take a look at them separately. Ohh god, both of them are stunning!! 2) Before they became a couple, I was shipping them so so hard! 3) Monica’s team always wins!!!
@@lov1na716For me it was the moment of the flashback episode, when Phoebe had moved out of Monica's apartment and she was so sad, and Chandler told her that she is the most beautiful woman he has ever met in real life, and then they hugged for a long time, it was such a sweet moment from there I started to want them to get back together.
Honestly never understood why Rachel and Ross are the iconic one. The chemistry between Courteney and Matthew were oustanding since scene one. It was them who made Mondler so wonderful. Ross and Rachel were somewhat toxic after their break up. I may be bias, because in both life and TV I'm not fond of those on and off relationships...
Because writers wanted them to be so from the start , giving them protagonist roles and keeping the suspense, they later switched focus to Chandler and Mon , overcoming their issues together with the help of each other to "steel that thunder". But never really leaving the Ross and Rach couple suspense. The show and viewers went as the creators want to. Now I think it's a little different with so many years passed , new audience can watch all ten seasons at once and "decide by themselves" who are the true protagonists of the show... probably a lot feel that suspense as purposely forced into them and really juvenile in favour of the positive foundation and caracter build into better - happy persons as much more honest and genuine . All in all , all that purposely and masterfully put by a writer so,for example, we can enjoy Ross struggle and go nuts for so many seasons, which was the point. because who would stay friends with the love of his/her life ? Not me
@@maurobertolone5198 i dont think the writers wanted ross and racheal from the start since it was made clear that ross and racheal became the central romace only because of the sizzling chemistry b/w the actors.. they were never meant to be together and the writers even tried to make joey and racheal end game but backfired really bad..
vp98215 what chemistry? The actors don't have chemistry either, even as friends! They just keep repeating they are the iconic ones. They shove Ross and Rachel down our throats for some weird reason.
@@silvilev9071 they had a strong fan following when it was airing and they do have amazing chemistry.. its one of the friends fact that rachel and ross became the central romance because of the actor's chemistry.. you can google it.. also their first kissing scene and their break-up scene were one of the best scenes in friends.. Also ross and rachel were no forced into anyone's throat.. how will a couple be forced into the viewers when majority of the time they were not together? None of the seasons solely concentrated on ross and rachel.. the attracting part of their story was how they maintained their friendship even after being in a serious relationship..
Kat Perse Just because they say that Ross and Rachel are the iconic couple doesn't mean it is true. They can say whatever they want about what they want people to believe and imitate.
@Galaxy Girl Not a debate, but a sincere discussion. What do you like and what would you have seen? The only thing for me would be some more growth between Rachel & Ross. They were just so dysfunctional & unhealthy towards each other know. The writers never really went in them helping each other grow, going with great ideas and taking them in directions they definitely went with.
@@dvchel Ross and Rachel were there for the drama part of a soap that you just need. They were great comic relief characters, but for this to work, they needed to be heavily flawed from the beginning. They were weird so funny things would happen in the show. Monica and Chandler were much more relatable characters to begin with. They were holding the group together, with Joey's help, of course, as he was the one I feel gave up the most to make his friends happy. Anyways, being more realistic and caring characters from the beginning, they actually had potential to work as a couple. People with the self worth like Ross' would never have stable relationships in real life, either, so what was happening on the show was actually very well executed. Together with Rachel's tendency to make things about herself and take things personal, it was really good show material. Would never wanna have a relationship with either of them, though...
@@raffa4456 Thank you for the explanation first and foremost. However, in making the decision to add that level of drama to the show, you might as well focus on making it *work* instead of writing it to be so utterly dysfunctional & unhealthy as it came to be. Because it was bringing the show down in terms of its dynamic and quality. Especially after Ross' character was written to move on from Rachel's enough to *marry* someone else and then later falling back in love with her again. It just made it somewhat cringeworthy instead of romantic or epic. Even the actors had no problem admitting it that the writers were missing the boat right here in season four and five. It was further very confusing to watch. At first the writers had done such an excellent *job* of building towards the relationship of Rachel & Ross, and then, an even better job of establishing a warm, affectionate and loving bond between season one and three. The reason why it was disappointing to see their relationship began to make less sense with each passing episode and season with the writers' desire to continue forcing them in this on- and off-relationship and this _"will they or won't they"_ paradigm. The reason why it was easy to disagree on the huge character change that Ross' went through in season three and beyond. Growing to be so unlikable in a relationship as you earlier said correctly, due to his nature of being such an emotional mopey and hapless character since the moment of their break-up in season three. It also came to end up as being very repetitive for the remainder of the show. But it explains a lot, when the actor himself had to admit that he thought Ross' character would hold himself up to a higher standard. On a side note, the only positive aspect about his season three character change was that he stopped putting Rachel on a pedestal. It still didn't justify his massively-oversized ego that came at the expense of his relationships though.
@@dvchel Sry, I wasn't trying to educate anyone if that's how you feel, I was merely trying to give my opinion on what could have been the reason for the writers to give us this on and off again stuff that they had to go through. I agree with you that Ross underwent a major shift in his character, from being the slightly geeky but romantic and caring boyfriend to an immature know it all who is self sabotaging at best and completely mental at worst 😅 They could have made them work, sure, but I guess their relationship was only a tool at some point to keep viewers entertained. With the TV format of not being able to binge watch this might have worked very well and even when I binge watch I do think Ross is mostly entertaining, but the constant back and forth of "will he date someone else, or eventually end up with Rachel, anyway" does get annoying, especially because I felt Rachel did evolve in later seasons to someone who could have had a healthy relationship with someone mature and who doesn't get jealous and offended by everything. It's a pity, but I guess one healthy couple is all a soap can take from a writer's point of view.
@@raffa4456 No, not at all. You were simply just sharing some interesting statement of facts like I did. The reason why I was elaborating on it further, when I was describing the only serious flaw in the show being Rachel & Ross' very problematic relationship and lacking the necessary *growth* in terms of drama, personality and comedy to have made something great of it. Rehashing the same old _"we were on a break"_ argument and Ross' divorces to cite the ongoing dysfunctional conflict in their relationship instead of making the decision to take it to another level when the moment was right etc. You are absolutely right about the huge character change that Ross' character went through in season three, as I was stating before. He became less appealing as a consequence, including Rachel's with the writers' desire to make her more selfish than the need to be in regards to her relationship to Ross. The appearance of his character in the first two seasons of the show in comparison to the rest made perfect sense towards his relationship with Rachel's. The reason why that huge character change was disappointing within the general context on the matter. The general conclusion remains indeed that the on- and off-relationship of Rachel & Ross should not have gone on longer than season five. Because in doing so was *disrupting* the dynamic in the show and making the arc in their relationship weird. Leading to the eventual downfall in its ratings and reception. Making a subsequent Rachel & Ross pregnancy in season eight necessary to blow new life into the show again. Working on two completely different couples in a sitcom was perfect from season five onward, since Rachel & Ross had many great ideas they definitely went with and interesting directions to take. Not just fans in general but the actors agree on it as well. That in itself is correctly what you say a pity indeed. At least the *drive* for a higher ideal was there when Rachel & Ross did end up together for good. Giving credit where credit is due.
From Season 5 to the Season 10 series finale, Chandler's and Monica's relationship developed and became the HEART and SOUL of "Friends". Chandler's and Monica's proposal episode at the end of Season 6 attracted 30.7 million viewers and their wedding episode at the end of Season 7 attracted 30.2 million viewers. Plus, the Season 5 episode ("The One Where Everybody Finds Out"), when their previously secret romantic relationship becomes public to the rest of the group, is objectively judged as one the all-time favorite episode (if not the #1 all-time favorite episode) during the entire "Friends" series. Chandler and Monica were definitely more than a "secondary" romantic couple. They clearly rivaled the toxic immature, on-again, off-again nature of Ross and Rachel's relationship. This quote from a Season 10 episode from Chandler about Monica symbolizes that: "My wife is an incredible woman. She's loving, devoted, and caring...I love my wife more than anything in this world....and it kills me that I can't give her a baby. I really want a kid, and when that day comes, I'll learn how to be a good dad. But my wife, she's already there. She's a mother, without a baby."
"You opened all the wedding gifts without me? " "You kissed another woman?! " "Call it even? " "Okay! " *High fives* Mondler is for suuuure the ultimate couple!
Haha yeah imagine if that was Ross and Rachel: “you KISSED another woman!!?!???” “You OPENED the presents without me!!??!” “OMG I CAN’T BELIEVE I EVEN THOUGHT OF MARRYING YOU!” “I CAN’T BELIEVE I THOUGHT OF MARRYING YOU!” “LETS TAKE A BREAK” “yeah let’s go get frozen yogurt” “No, from us” (Ross storms out) 😂 jk I love Ross and Rachel but they’re not very good at talking things through 😂
Nope. I was a fan of Ross and Rachel when I was 10, but when i turned 15 and rewatched I quickly found Ross to be to controlling, immature and jealous. Ross and Rachel were better as friends, I really dont like them and now im 22. People who love them as couples are either very young or naive to think that a relationship should be that horrible.
Monica and Chandler are the couple I inspire to be like. They were mature, they truly loved each other, they worked with each other to maintain their relationship , they were there for each other through, and they were VERY relatable.
@Cody Higinbotham Didn't expect? It was quite obvious since the first season. It was Monica who seemed to *care* the most about Chandler all along and vice-versa too. You remember the scene in season three with the flashback when Phoebe was moving out and Chandler being the first to comfort her with a hug. Then later in the season finale at the beach house and the beginning of season four too, when Monica was comforting Chandler when Joey was dating Kathy. This bond was written in a similar *way* as with Rachel & Ross in the beginning, with Marcel the monkey that was lost at a certain point and helping each other to find it and grow. The creators have come to admit that Monica & Joey was the central couple they had in mind before rewriting it to Monica & Chandler, due to the decision of dumbing down Joey's character that made it unworkable. Proving once more that Monica & Chandler were meant to be since the very beginning and not something spontaneous. The foreshadowing was thus obvious, but Monica & Chandler was still a magnificent addition.
@@tmm4195 yeah but it no where compares to monica and chandler or even mike and pheobe if you want an explanation why rachel and ross relationship is flawed reply
It's obviously Monica and Chandler. There was a certain chemistry between Ross and Rachel before the " we're on a break" fiasco , but that faded away and their relationship became manipulative , unhealthy and very physical. Monica and Chandler had the most wonderful relationship ever!!!
There would probably have been an uproar from lots of Friends fans if Ross and Rachel hadn't got back together in the end. The whole "will they won't they?" thing went on for so long that a reunion was inevitable.
Ikr, the Rachel and Ross thing was so forced at some point.. they ruinned it after this “on a break” fiasco. Its also affected the quality fo the characters for me.. I mean like Ross went from the cute geeky and generous guy to a self-absorbed guy constantly whinning and playing the victim. Rachel kept being condescending to Ross after that and that was just too much
You can agree and disagree on it. Were they a better couple? Yes. Were they more realistic? No. There are many reasons why Rachel & Ross was more realistic in the ways of how they went through the hardships. Not always the best way, this was a definite issue in the show, but nevertheless at the end of the road realizing they were meant for each other. The reason why the answer is difficult, because you're speaking about two different couples so to speak, or storylines is a better word to describe it.
@@dvchel How this constant teenage drama of Ross&Rachel is more realistic? In real life they would never stay together, especially after 6 years after separation. They were dysfunctional and only brought ewch other down, that is not healthy and realistic.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 I was more referring to the huge hurdles, the pain and the setbacks they had to endure and go through to come where they finally were in the last episode - together forever for good. You remember the whole list that Ross wrote about Rachel in season two and then her, vice-versa, in season four at the beach house right? So it is easy to agree on and I am certainly not denying it that the writers were messing up their relationship too much for comedic purposes here. They should have written Rachel & Ross to help each other grow, going with ideas and taking them into *directions* they definitely went it. As a starter by giving Ross a second chance in season three, because on the contrary laid the foundation of their dysfunctional & unhealthy relationship. However, even though as disappointing this may be, the hurdles they had to overcome is undeniable. But yeah, it leaves you with a mixed feeling in the end.
While we all rooted for Ross and Rachel ( or at least most of us did), they can't even hold a candle to Chandler and Monica. I remember at the time everyone was shocked when they got together, but if you watch the series back now, it makes so much sense and it seems like they were always destined for each other. When Monica for emotional about the babies at the hospital, Chandler comforted her. Whenever there was a break up, they leaned on each other. And the only time that Chandler cried in the entire series, was when he proposed to Monica. Everything about Monica and Chandler was perfect.
@murnavid yeah true. I am a teenager. And I love ross and Rachel personally more. Like just a opinion. But ross was way too good. And I feel bad that he is so underrated. His acting was the best among all. And ross rachel chemetry>>>> maybe it's jyst a teenager thing but all my friends and I love ross and Rachel more
@murnavid tbh for me also mondler was the best until the very last episode of friends😭 The last episode made me fall in love with these both two more and more which I may have done with mondler on the whole season (sorry if my english is wrong🥺)
While "Rossel" are more iconic of a couple in TV history, I always favoured "Mondler" more. Monica and Chandler worked harder at their relationship partially because of their horrible childhoods, in contrast to Ross and Rachel who were spoiled by their parents growing up. Plus, it helps that Monica and Chandler knew each other and were already quite close even before they started dating. Ross and Rachel were mostly fuelled by constant drama and fighting, but I loved the stability and care of the Mondler pairing! Mondler forever!😍💘
Monica: " why won't I be married when I'm forty?" Chandler: " n-no I meant hypothetically" Monica: " Ok hypothetically, why won't I be married when I'm forty?" Chandler:" no bu- I mea- o-oh god! Th-this parachute is a knapsack!!"
Don't forget the scene before that when Chandler is asleep on Monica's shoulder, she says she wants a baby and he responds, "Not tonight honey, I have to work tomorrow."
While Ross and Rachel were the iconic couple, Monica and Chandler were much more realistic and their relationship really blossomed and developed in the best way possible
Honestly, there's no debate here. Monica and Chandler takes this title by all means. They have a strong foundation and security for their relationship. They never had a big drama or fight because they always reconcile knowing the fact that they really love each other. There was never a doubt between them, hence never having the "will they, won't they" dilemma. They are the strongest couple in the show.
@Faindy Vargas It is definitely true that Monica & Chandler were a better couple. However, they were not any more realistic than Rachel & Ross. Frankly, you were pointing it out correctly, as Rachel & Ross had to go through a lot more hurdles and setbacks. Nevertheless, Rachel & Ross were still too dysfunctional & unhealthy through a huge part of the show. This was part of the issue with the writers in them not helping each other grow. This lack of growth was quite substantial and became mightily tedious as long as they were forcing Rachel & Ross in this _"will they or won't they"_ paradigm.
Tvoje Máma hell no, many people love rosschel, but just some people are ungrateful n forget Ross and Rachel’s romance is the main reason why friends is one of the best shows of all time
@@brandonjackson8234 I'll quote a comment that I saw here. Ross and Rachel are good for TV and the show's rating. Mondler is the better, much more stable and supportive relationship. *What's interesting isn't always what's better.*
The only reason Ross and Rachel managed to be the most iconic couple is because they had the most drama and arguments throughout the show. Monica and Chandler got together and never had such huge problems like Roschel, they had a MUCH healthier relationship if you ask me. If Ross and Rachel's relationship took a similar path to Monica and Chandler's (where they had arguments but were never so hateful towards each other), I guarantee they wouldn't be that interesting to watch. Hence, Mondler all the way because the show never needed to make their relationship explosive just to make them interesting. They were interesting enough without needing so much drama and constant arguments.
Shay Singh I am not interested in watching a couple hating each other on television. I want to see more mature individuals facing problems like adults and being funny at the same time. Monica and Chandler conquer that 👍😊👏😉
Even when they got into arguments, they were always silly and got resolved by the end of the episode, whereas Ross and Rachel's "we were on a break" fight literally went on for 7 seasons.
Monica and Chandler, Ross and Rachel were so confusing, they weren’t together but did want them too see other people? they never spoke about things without arguing. Monica and Chandler is were in love and the fact that it was a surprise made it so special.
Monica and Chandler! Love doesn’t have to be painful and dramatic, Chandler and Monica dealt with real problems that they didn’t cause! I want a relationship like Monica and Chandler!
Oh I love phoebe and Mike! They're also opposites that work. Like he says on their wedding, he thinks she's wonderfully weird, she's absolutely different from his family and is just amazing to him. And as she says, Mike is everything she ever wanted, he is her family and always will be. ❤
The development, stability, sacrifice, and heartwarming nature of Chandler and Monica's relationship brought maturity and growth to the Friends sitcom during the middle to later seasons of the series. As compared to the ongoing soap opera drama, frustration, on-again, off-again, immature, and toxic nature of Ross and Rachel's relationship, Chandler and Monica's relationship brought a nice counterbalance that made it possible for having 2 core relationships couples between 4 of the main characters on the show. From Season 5 to the Season 10 series finale, Chandler's and Monica's relationship gradually became the heart and soul of "Friends".
A relationship like that of Ross and Rachel would make good TV and drama. But in practical reality nobody would want to get that hurt and anxious and be involved in an on-again-off-again relationship like that of Ross and Rachel. We are OK watching and speculating over such a relationship when it doesn't involve us or any one that we love and care about. In other words its makes good scripts... In real life we all would something like that of Monica's and Chandler's....
Not to mention, noone should be in a relationship where one part is at jealous and paranoid as Ross was. Ross was also very controlling of Rachel and just general very immature. But for some reason the creators wanted us to love him and Rachel, even though their relationship was horrible-
@@TKDDLJ09 Rachel cared less about Ross feeling in all the 10 seasons. She was such a spoilt brat. Jealousy and possessiveness is pretty common issue in many real life relationships.The main issue with Ross and Rachel characters is both are headstrong and don't adjust well to the circumstances asap and it causes too much trouble. Pretty much shows the most romantic couples who don't have any idea how a relationship should work. Chandler and Monica are the ideal relationship you would want.
@@sushanthadusumilli1067 yes, Rachael was a brat most of the time. But I don't believe that jealousy in the degree that Ross had should ever be common in a relationship. He was so paranoid. But in general the two just didn't match at all. They were just not a good match.
Monica and Chandler’s engagement had me weep harder then anything that ever happened the Ross and Rachel. And the time they couldn’t have children too.
Nah, Monica and Chandler were more romantic for me. I'm more like a "stone-heart" kind, but they made me cry like five times because of the big love they had for each other. I never did with Ross and Rachel. I actually didn't want them to end up together, they were just so toxic. I noticed that since the "WE WERE ON A BREAK" incident. My role model relationship is, and will always be, Mondler.
See mondler might be stable.. but the relationship that kept going between roschel made the audience on their toes.. It was much more exciting and entertaining.. That relationship along with the friendship of Joey and Chandler was the backbone of the show.. Well I would also like to tell that during the whole series I could not keep my eyes away from Rachel 😍😍
Perfect example of people expecting that everyone should get a participation award. I'm not saying that the creators couldn't have FOUND a subject or 2 that maybe Ross and Rachel could/should have won the point on... but everything in the video as they posted it absolutely should have gone to Chandler and Monica.
@juju25 I think Ross and Rachel are the iconic couple because Ross has liked her since the beginning of the show and when they got together it was a dream come true for some fans 😐
Llamas Are nice maybe you’re right. Actually I do like the couple Rachel and Ross I just think Monica and Chandler were better together, I think they’re te best couple in every sitcom and movie ever.
I never really got why Ross and Rachel got so much “positive” feedback for their relationship. Don’t get me wrong, I love their individual characters, but not them as a couple.They were both somewhat toxic and childish. Yes, there were sweet moments but I feel like they spent majority of their relationship arguing about things that were caused due to their toxic behavior. Monica and Chandler on the other hand, made each other better people. You can see it mostly in Chandler’s character development. Don’t get me wrong, still love Ross and Rach, however I do think it would’ve been better if it was left as a high school crush, or if their relationship was written differently. I genuinely think that Monica and Chandler’s relationship was one of the best written relationships on TV and I’m happy that they found each other.
Honestly I agree with you for the most part but the main reason Ross and Rachel get so much positive feedback is all that more immature romantic excitement you know? Like the person said in the video, not knowing the outcome so people would want to go back and watch to see what happens with their relationship. In another comment I saw that ross and rachels relationship is good for TV and monicas and chandlers are good for a real life great relationship. Its not that their relationship is bad its that ross and rachels arent that tv couple. Since watching it already, thats when you can notice those cons like you said in the relationship.
See, funny thing is if I saw Ross and Rachel walking down the street, I might vomit because of how good they look together. That's not to say that the same wouldn't happen with Monica and Chandler if I saw them, but if I knew them, of course, everything would change. I would see Ross and Rachel are exactly what I have been told will happen everytime while Monica and Chandler are what I believe could happen, given there is enough effort on both ends. EDIT: So I guess for me, it represents what I've been told vs. what I myself believe.
And the winners are: *inserts drumroll* THE BINGS!!❤ Chandler: thank you, thank you. Could we be any more blessed? Monica: Oh please. Your on my team. And my TEAM always wins!! Chandler: I love you babe. Monica: Love you too honey. Joey: Awww you guys are so cute!! Monica: I KNOW!! Everyone: - heart melts💞.
They never went down hill. F.R.I.E.N.D.S. is the only sitcom I know of that ended with ratings at the top. No one was ready for them to leave. In addition: F.R.I.E.N.D.S. is the only sitcom I know of that later gained the same popularity with the next generation (thanks to selling each season on DVD) after the show had been off air for years. Whose sitcom has done that?
Kayi Linton my favorite episode are around the first 6 seasons but yeah the show never went down hill it was still hilarious there was more drama though but that’s a need and sitcoms in facts it just got better
@Nelson Robert Willis I didn't watch the last couple years of Seinfeld when it ended, so I won't argue that. One thing I know is there is not as much noteriety of Seinfeld as much as there are Friends and the actors. Fans of Friends are still wishing for a reunion movie. Seinfeld was another great sitcom about real life experiences.
Monica and Chandler were THE couple of Friends. While I initially rooted for Ross and Rachel, the spiteful childish nature of their relationship after their breakup was so tedious that it was tempting to quit watching... indeed, on re-watch there's a whole chunk of post-breakup episodes we often skip. Once Monica and Chandler start dating, Friends becomes much more watchable. Their relationship seems more real and is more enviable. Their proposal still makes me cry even though I've lost track of how many times I've watched it. While I'm glad that Ross and Rachel did end up together, part of me didn't care anymore. The 'will they, won't they' just went on too long. I always refer to Friends as both a master class in how not to write a relationship (Ross/Rachel) and a master class how to write a relationship (Monica/Chandler.) Ross and Rachel had the potential to be great but the writers squandered it, then they did it right with Monica and Chandler.
Nikki 90125 exactly ... mondler’s relationship saved the show .. i don’t even want to imagine 10 seasons of the whole on and off crap ... and as you said at a certain point I stopped caring about them , because monica and chandler just owned my heart . plus they were way more fun to watch they were even funnier as a couple .
Monica and Chandler are the best by far. I do like Ross and Rachel, they were indeed made for each other but i never really cared for them .... But Rachel and Joey is the worst couple to me... So awkward and no chemistry imo.
Before there was even any romantic stuff between Chandler and Monica, there was so much chemistry. They were always sitting in chairs together and had their arms around each other.
The only thing good about Roschel is the heat of the moment passionate love, they’re super toxic. For a healthy relationship full of love, the Bings will always win.
obviously Mondler. in my opinion, Ross and Rachel became more and more toxic as every episode went buy, were Monica and Chandler only had small fights that were solved in a matter of hours. Mondler was and will always be the best couple on Friends!
I'm sorry, but Monica & Chandler should have won every single round. Ross & Rachel were completely toxic for 99% of their relationship. Plus, how many people honestly say "I wish I had a love like Ross and Rachel!" Um...that would be NONE... how the hell is that iconic? Now give a a VS video between...lets say Chandler & Monica and.... Cory & Topanga... Now THAT could be an interesting video! This one felt like you just gave a couple to Ross and Rachel the same way you give the losing team participation awards.
I wish I didn't cry that much as Ross and Rachel but I wish I wouldn't have that much of a perfect/almost superficial relationship of Monica and Chandler cause that's what I've seen in that sitcom.
@@yinloveyang So stable, fun and understanding is "superficial" for you?) Wow. Plus, the never were perfect, it's just they could resolve them peacefully and quickly, in a mature way.
@@yinloveyang Thing is that's how a functional couple should work. Instead of insisting for a break when the going gets tough they would talk it through like a couple should do. I don't know where perfect came from but they were anything but that. They were perfect for each other yes but their relationship wasn't perfect. Having a long distance relationship, debating on leaving the city, problems with having a baby, etc. It's how they worked through it that should how mature they were and how they cared for one another.
As much as I love the excitement and drama of Ross and Rachel, Monica and Chandler have a healthier and balanced relationship. It's never been a one sided pining or an on and off again fiasco. They're what friends in love should be like. They challenge each other to grow. They're just so amazing I can't even!
I love watching Chandler and Monica's relationship more as their story focused more on their struggles of having a family of their own while Ross and Rachel's story focused more on their on and off relationship which could get annoying at times. It felt as if Ben and Emma were used as only plot devices. Also, an on and off relationship is not healthy. Ross and Rachel's story had an open ending and I can only assume they never really worked out.
@R I Q U E It is easy to agree and disagree here. Monica & Chandler were a better couple indeed. However, they never had to go through the same hardships and hurdles together that Rachel & Ross went through. It is easy to agree on the notion that with the decision of the writers to continue fixating on Rachel & Ross' _"will they or won't they"_ paradigm that it came at the expense of their growth. Both personality-wise and socially-wise. Eventually the show's creators, Kauffman & Crane made it clear in an interview that Rachel & Ross were still together today, married and had two more children etc. Even Jennifer herself came to admit it. Nevertheless, it seems that they do *realize* and recognize where many fans are coming from, when watching Rachel & Ross throughout these ten seasons and seeing this huge lack of growth between them. After the break-up until the very last episode. The creators probably knew the *arc* in their relationship was weird due to their desire to force them through these divorces and break-ups. David Schwimmer had no trouble admitting this at least in a recent interview too. Thus it remains one of the biggest disappointments to occur in the show as a consequence. That we *never* got to see Rachel & Ross as a functioning couple, or at least helping each other grow. It was always this problematic, dysfunctional & unhealthy type of relationship that became mightily tedious and thus in many ways unrealistic. Beginning with Rachel's character giving Ross a second chance during their fight in season three was a good start.
besides the over extended on and off again, which should have ended in season 6 or 7 and had them functioning as a couple, the other biggest issue i have always ha with friends is the fact they gave Ross a son, it had function i guess in the first season, but the kid is never around nor ever mentioned except i think twice, it to me always made Ross a bad father.
@@TheKat12364 Wow! You mention two good points. Firstly, about the decision that should have been made to stop with Rachel & Ross' on- and off-relationship in either season six or seven. Secondly, the inclusion of and the storyline about Ben, Ross' son in the show. It is easy to agree on the both of them.
Agree, definitely not healthy and realistic. Shame it was marketed as this big romance or "star-crossed lovers", when it was just dysfunctional and immature.
@missrosethings Yeah, definitely. The way in which Chandler went down his knees and both began crying made your eyes watery for real. A very special moment indeed.
Monica and Chandler 100%! Ross and Rachel were just so toxic to each other and their relationship was far from healthy. The only thing that kept them together in the end was their daughter Chandler and Monica had a lot of development. It was very natural and the two really fit each other. None of them rushed too fast and that’s what made their relationship successful and undying. Their story inspired me to keep believing that I will find my Chandler one day 💕
Actually they are individually great couples, I mean Mondler is more likely an actual relationship where even tho they had discussions they stayed together as a couple, but roschel shows that you need to be mature to be in a relationship. Roschel started and then after the we were on a break thing they never rlly got back until the last episode, but that shows that they needed that time appart from each other, they got more mature and they ended up together after all, so IN MY OPINION its not that toxic.
I love the lobster theory and how they found they way back to each other, but Monica and Chandler are the most beautiful couple ever! Best friends that fell in love are goals!!!
I've said this before, and I'll say it again: Ross and Rachel's relationship is *not* a healthy relationship! That's why most people prefer Monica and Chandler over Ross and Rachel. People would rather watch a happily married couple that truly love each other than watch two characters go back and forth in some sort of love-hate relationship. Ross and Rachel's on and off again thing may have started as something we could enjoy, but it got kind of annoying after a while.
Totally agree it became so annoying and boring , thank god mondler happened , they really saved the show , i mean imagine if the show kept going for 10 seasons just about ross and rachel’s relationship ...
@Puff Poff It is definitely true that the writers were *messing* up the relationship of Rachel & Ross too much for comedic purposes. At first, in season three, when *twisting* the narrative about their huge fight to cheating, then in season four fixating on this _"we were on a break"_ argument, then Ross subsequently moving on from Rachel enough to marry someone else and then later being back in love again. Speaking in terms of a former HS Cheerleader dating the biggest nerd on the block, is pretty realistic. However, the way in which they were written out was not. The Prom Video made sense. It was so perfectly done. Then to see how their relationship was evolving into such a dysfunctional & unhealthy type was really disappointing. Thus you can only agree on your last sentence. Due to the fact of the writers' desire to fixate on their _"will they or won't they"_ paradigm, that it came at the expense of both Rachel and Ross in terms of character growth.
From Season 5 to the Season 10 series finale, Chandler's and Monica's relationship gradually developed and became the HEART and SOUL of "Friends". This quote from a Season 10 episode from Chandler about Monica symbolizes that: "My wife is an incredible woman. She's loving, devoted, and caring...I love my wife more than anything in this world....and it kills me that I can't give her a baby. I really want a kid, and when that day comes, I'll learn how to be a good dad. But my wife, she's already there. She's a mother, without a baby."
Such a great idea. Although every one of the six spent so much time with everyone else that you can only compare those pairs for season 1 and maybe two I guess.
I truly don't understand why everyone are so in love with Ross and Rachel. They only dated for 2 seasons with a few hookups here and there. Monica and Chandler fell in love and are truly in love! Lets face it, if the show continued Ross and Rachel would probably breakup again
Mmm... Not really, because in the Joey spinoff Joey reveals that they got married and had another kid. Sooo even if there were an 11th season they would not have broken up
Cordelia Bell Everybody is in love with Chandler and Monica. But the writer's favorites apparently were Ross and Rachel. Also, Ross and Rachel have so much propaganda repeating for them that they are "lobsters" and that they are the "iconic couple" which is obviously bullshit.
@@Greencastles23 tho, there was the time when Joey moved out in season 2 (if I'm not wrong), but in my opinion, it only made their friendship stronger😍😍
With all the numerous iconic comedic moments of sarcasm and humor his character on "Friends" is remembered for, Chandler (Matthew Perry) is a major part of the three (3) most poignant speeches and emotional moments in the sitcom series. His engagement proposal speech to Monica (Courteney Cox), his wedding marriage vows to Monica, and finally his heartfelt "mother without a baby" speech about Monica when they are trying to adopt babies. Their chemistry on-screen and off-screen was so natural, on-point, and off-the-charts amazing. Monica & Chandler ("Mondler") clearly get my vote as the Ultimate "Friends" Couple.....😍💘❣👍
Ross and Rachel's relationship is the kind of relationship you would love to watch unfold. Monica and Chandler's relationship is the kind of stable relationship you wish your close ones would have. Pheobe and Mike's relationship is the kind of relationship you wish you have.
As a kid I favorited Ross and Rachel, due to the show's focus on their "will they won't they" dynamic. But as an adult I'm much more fond of Monica and Chandler. They act like a healthy couple. They're friends who talk things out because they legitmately care to make the other happy and try to solve issues. While it's mainly played for jokes, you can see how they both have become more mature and happier people through the relationship. They've became equal partners, who appreciate each other's positives and faults While there are a couple of them, overall they avoid the "grand gesture" resolution to fights and deal with things more realistically. And their relationship progressed at a good pace: going from casual, to serious, to marriage, to kids. In reality their relationship is pretty mundane, and that's good! Ross and Rachel weren't a real couple at the beggining. They couldn't be. Ross was obsessed with Rachel for so long, he obviously saw her as a prize to lose; while still scarred from losing his last wife by surprise. And Rachel was too immature and dramatic to know what she really wanted. All these big emotions aren't healthy. Especially the whole "We were on a break scenario". I don't believe Rachel communicated her feelings or intentions well to Ross and Ross should have not have slept with someone else immediately after if he wanted any chance to fix the relationship. Also they both always challenge each other on who "is right" in argumemts instead of wanting to settle them and compromise. While Chandler and Monica genuinely just like each other I still don't trust Ross and Rachel will stay together due to the dramatic ending vs Monica and Chandler who have developed such a strong realistic relationship with similar goals and tools to deal with life's challenges. There is my sad overanalysis of a laugh track sitcom from the 90s...
I totally agree. Mondler may not have been as "exciting" or as "unpredictable" as "Roschel",but they had more of a calm, equal pairing compared to Ross and Rachel, who were always vying for control of the relationship. Monica and Chandler didn't much in common, but their differences brought out the best in each other, as her domineering personality helped him to gain more structure in his life, while his more laidback demeanor encouraged her to have more fun.
Exactly!! I used to love Ross and Rachel when i was 10, but I grew up and saw how horrible their relationship was. And you described perfectly what Ross thought of Rachel, as a prize because he was so obsessed with her. I also really thought Ross was kind of mean to Rachel, making her feel stupid and it felt like he sometimes talked to her like she was a kid on the verge of a tantrum. I actually adore couples who as some would say are "Mundane" but to me, I find it refreshing, because it shows a healthy relationship on tv which we dont get enough. And Monica and Chandler were still funny, but their character didn't depend on their love story, it depended on their personality whereas Ross and Rachel, as character, was much more dependent on their love stories
When Chandler told Monica that it's okay that she is high maintenance but that he loves maintaining her, how was that not the sweetest thing ever in the history of tv?!
Ikr!!! That's my 3rd favorite Mondler moment with my second one being Chandler talking to Erica about how great Monica is and my first one obviously being their proposal
"Its a four." Everyones hearts melts.❤
Kristina Careen De Castro and when he said that she is a mother without a baby! I cried my eyes out!!
Clearly you haven't watched himym
I totally thought about the same moment. Romance is theirs. The proposal? Their wedding vows? Bitch, please, they are the freaking' epidemy of relationship goals
Monica and Chandler are the couple we didn’t think was going to happen until it did and now know it’s a vital necessity in life
They're everything we never knew we always wanted.
@@katymvt I KNOW!!!!
I knew they would end up together from the very begging. They were my favourite ship
Just like Jackie and Hyde from that 70's show and Barney and Robin from How I met your mother
@@reimarz no. Those are more joey rachel types lol
"You make me happier than I ever thought I could be, and if you let me, I'll spend the rest of my life trying to make you feel the same way." How can Ross and Rachel top that?
They can't, and I don't even think that's true for them.
They can't, which is why mondler is the best couple in TV history!
They can't.
Exactly
I thought ross and Rachel were more entertaining tho. Chandler and Monica was a bit to safe for my liking
Honestly I think that the proposal between monica and chandler was one of the sweetest scenes in the whole show. I cried so much watching that scene.
Forever UnicornLover05 yesss
Same I love them way more than roschel
Same!!!
Why did it make you cry? I thought it was a beautiful scene. I loved it.
@@nathangagan4965 I loved it too. Which is why it made me cry
Ross and Rachel is the kind of relationship you want to see in a movie, while a Chandler and Monica is what you want in your life.
I'm still crying when Chandler said I love my wife more the anything in this world and it kills me how I can't give her a baby she's a mother without a child 😢😢
Please please can we do another couple feud please?
Homer & Marge vs Peter & Lois or
Fry & Leela vs Stan vs Francine.
Ikr I cried during that part too! I started sobbing though when Chandler was so upset when Joey told him that Monica was gone, and then when he walked into the room and during their whole proposal I was crying 😢
Absolutely the best scene. I always cry
Monica: we’re gonna win this!
Chandler: are you sure?
Monica: You’re on my team. My team always wins!
Chandler: At this?
Eva2002 lol
AT THIS?
@@KhaleelMCC yes
I read that with their voices
Mondler is better, I mean: "..my wife is a mother without a child.."
Shes a mother... without a baby.
Endless likes for this line😭😭😭
Awww so sweet ❤️ I love that scene
I cried too much when he said that he's just the sweetest!
That made me cry like a little baby
Monica and Chandler should’ve won romance for that proposal scene alone. I still can’t watch that scene without getting teary eyed
Ikr or the scene before when Chandler comes running back to the apartment and gets so upset when Joey tells him that Monica is gone i start crying at that scene and once Chandler walks into the candles and everything I start sobbing
Or the scene when he was trying to convince Erika(i don't remember her name exactly) that monica is going to be a great mother and it kills him that he can't make her one
Honestly, they should have won all of them. The reasons for Ross and Rachel were unbelievably thin, and some topics felt made up just to give them some points.
@@D05015 You're right. It was Erica. They even named their daughter that.
@@PittsburghSportsFan43 I mean ross and rachel are definitely the most iconic couple. They clearly should've won that category
“CHANDLER AND MONICA! CHANDLER AND MONICA!” *(Phoebe’s shouting tone)*
😂❤️❤️❤️
Actually could hear her saying that while reading this!!! 👍👍👍💓💖❤️
MY EYES!!! MY EYES!!!!!!
Lmao!!!!! Iconic scene and one of the most funniest ever!!! 😂😂
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I love when Ross starts jumping up and down with Phoebe and Rachel in that scene😂😂.
Chandler: We won
Monica:I KNOW
I think Ross and Rachel were more popular when the show was actually running because it kept audiences on their toes about "will they get together, won't they?" It brought a lot of suspense and drama which makes for great tv. But at the end of the day, Chandler and Monica's relationship stands the test of time. In 2020, most people see Ross and Rachel as toxic and Mondler as goals.
I could not have said it better too true
Can't agree more on this one
As they should
same opinion even though your comment is 2 years old ha ha ha ha !!
I totally agree, some friends fans argue with me when I say that I don't really like Ross, but one of the reasons is because I pretty much was Ross in high school, I would pull the whole "Nice guy" thing on a girl I liked just to get her to like me but when she would fall in love with a "Bad boy" I would get mad and be like "Why not me? I'm a nice guy." then once I was out of high school I learned that if you are the "Nice guy" just to make a girl like you then you're not really a nice guy.
Monica and Chandler hands down.
Ross and Rachel were borderline toxic at times
SAY IT LOUDERRRRR
So true, Ross and Rachel's arguments are fun at first, then it just gets tiresome
I mean that’s the purpose of their relationship, I mean without their relationship the show would not be as popular, I personally think mondler is better relationship but Ross n rach have a better love story I mean when the hot off the plane is one of the best moments plus both relationships portray different type of relationships n mondler is meant to be seen as a perfect relationship while Ross n rach are a will they or won’t they relationship
hollywoodshopaholic yup
Ray Wei yup
If the show kept on going the kid named Joey that is scripted which Ross and Rachel would have had wouldn't have been their end as they would have just "Circle-ed of Life" into another breakup, whereas Monica & Chandler never did break up, so it would take a lot for them to do so anytime post-show as well. Enough said. M&C all the way.
I mean there’s a possibility they’ll break up. Characters in the show always hint at their marriage “going in the pooper””
@@vasilisa1866 When did they hint that?
Ikr, the Rachel and Ross thing was so forced at some point.. like they weren’t meant to be , shit happens, get over it already!
If there was a season 11 ross and Rachel would have gotten married and had another kid. It was in the script
So not true ross and rachel would got married and it's scripted and they would have another kid named joey
Mondler is the winner for me for three reasons:
1) Take a look at them separately. Ohh god, both of them are stunning!!
2) Before they became a couple, I was shipping them so so hard!
3) Monica’s team always wins!!!
unless it’s chandler’s team which winning apartments
was shipping them before they got together too, as they were my favorite characters xDD
@@freckleKaren Yes, u’re right.
Please please can we do another couple Fued.
Homer & Marge vs Peter & Lois or
Fry & Leela vs Stan & Francine.
what made you ship them before they became a couple? (genuine question)
@@lov1na716For me it was the moment of the flashback episode, when Phoebe had moved out of Monica's apartment and she was so sad, and Chandler told her that she is the most beautiful woman he has ever met in real life, and then they hugged for a long time, it was such a sweet moment from there I started to want them to get back together.
Honestly never understood why Rachel and Ross are the iconic one. The chemistry between Courteney and Matthew were oustanding since scene one. It was them who made Mondler so wonderful. Ross and Rachel were somewhat toxic after their break up. I may be bias, because in both life and TV I'm not fond of those on and off relationships...
Because writers wanted them to be so from the start , giving them protagonist roles and keeping the suspense, they later switched focus to Chandler and Mon , overcoming their issues together with the help of each other to "steel that thunder". But never really leaving the Ross and Rach couple suspense. The show and viewers went as the creators want to. Now I think it's a little different with so many years passed , new audience can watch all ten seasons at once and "decide by themselves" who are the true protagonists of the show... probably a lot feel that suspense as purposely forced into them and really juvenile in favour of the positive foundation and caracter build into better - happy persons as much more honest and genuine . All in all , all that purposely and masterfully put by a writer so,for example, we can enjoy Ross struggle and go nuts for so many seasons, which was the point. because who would stay friends with the love of his/her life ? Not me
@@maurobertolone5198 i dont think the writers wanted ross and racheal from the start since it was made clear that ross and racheal became the central romace only because of the sizzling chemistry b/w the actors.. they were never meant to be together and the writers even tried to make joey and racheal end game but backfired really bad..
vp98215 what chemistry? The actors don't have chemistry either, even as friends!
They just keep repeating they are the iconic ones.
They shove Ross and Rachel down our throats for some weird reason.
@@silvilev9071 they had a strong fan following when it was airing and they do have amazing chemistry.. its one of the friends fact that rachel and ross became the central romance because of the actor's chemistry.. you can google it.. also their first kissing scene and their break-up scene were one of the best scenes in friends..
Also ross and rachel were no forced into anyone's throat.. how will a couple be forced into the viewers when majority of the time they were not together? None of the seasons solely concentrated on ross and rachel.. the attracting part of their story was how they maintained their friendship even after being in a serious relationship..
Kat Perse Just because they say that Ross and Rachel are the iconic couple doesn't mean it is true. They can say whatever they want about what they want people to believe and imitate.
Why is this a debate it’s obviously Monica and Chandler for life
@Galaxy Girl Not a debate, but a sincere discussion. What do you like and what would you have seen? The only thing for me would be some more growth between Rachel & Ross. They were just so dysfunctional & unhealthy towards each other know. The writers never really went in them helping each other grow, going with great ideas and taking them in directions they definitely went with.
@@dvchel Ross and Rachel were there for the drama part of a soap that you just need. They were great comic relief characters, but for this to work, they needed to be heavily flawed from the beginning. They were weird so funny things would happen in the show. Monica and Chandler were much more relatable characters to begin with. They were holding the group together, with Joey's help, of course, as he was the one I feel gave up the most to make his friends happy. Anyways, being more realistic and caring characters from the beginning, they actually had potential to work as a couple. People with the self worth like Ross' would never have stable relationships in real life, either, so what was happening on the show was actually very well executed. Together with Rachel's tendency to make things about herself and take things personal, it was really good show material. Would never wanna have a relationship with either of them, though...
@@raffa4456 Thank you for the explanation first and foremost. However, in making the decision to add that level of drama to the show, you might as well focus on making it *work* instead of writing it to be so utterly dysfunctional & unhealthy as it came to be. Because it was bringing the show down in terms of its dynamic and quality. Especially after Ross' character was written to move on from Rachel's enough to *marry* someone else and then later falling back in love with her again. It just made it somewhat cringeworthy instead of romantic or epic. Even the actors had no problem admitting it that the writers were missing the boat right here in season four and five.
It was further very confusing to watch. At first the writers had done such an excellent *job* of building towards the relationship of Rachel & Ross, and then, an even better job of establishing a warm, affectionate and loving bond between season one and three. The reason why it was disappointing to see their relationship began to make less sense with each passing episode and season with the writers' desire to continue forcing them in this on- and off-relationship and this _"will they or won't they"_ paradigm.
The reason why it was easy to disagree on the huge character change that Ross' went through in season three and beyond. Growing to be so unlikable in a relationship as you earlier said correctly, due to his nature of being such an emotional mopey and hapless character since the moment of their break-up in season three. It also came to end up as being very repetitive for the remainder of the show. But it explains a lot, when the actor himself had to admit that he thought Ross' character would hold himself up to a higher standard. On a side note, the only positive aspect about his season three character change was that he stopped putting Rachel on a pedestal. It still didn't justify his massively-oversized ego that came at the expense of his relationships though.
@@dvchel Sry, I wasn't trying to educate anyone if that's how you feel, I was merely trying to give my opinion on what could have been the reason for the writers to give us this on and off again stuff that they had to go through.
I agree with you that Ross underwent a major shift in his character, from being the slightly geeky but romantic and caring boyfriend to an immature know it all who is self sabotaging at best and completely mental at worst 😅
They could have made them work, sure, but I guess their relationship was only a tool at some point to keep viewers entertained. With the TV format of not being able to binge watch this might have worked very well and even when I binge watch I do think Ross is mostly entertaining, but the constant back and forth of "will he date someone else, or eventually end up with Rachel, anyway" does get annoying, especially because I felt Rachel did evolve in later seasons to someone who could have had a healthy relationship with someone mature and who doesn't get jealous and offended by everything.
It's a pity, but I guess one healthy couple is all a soap can take from a writer's point of view.
@@raffa4456 No, not at all. You were simply just sharing some interesting statement of facts like I did. The reason why I was elaborating on it further, when I was describing the only serious flaw in the show being Rachel & Ross' very problematic relationship and lacking the necessary *growth* in terms of drama, personality and comedy to have made something great of it. Rehashing the same old _"we were on a break"_ argument and Ross' divorces to cite the ongoing dysfunctional conflict in their relationship instead of making the decision to take it to another level when the moment was right etc.
You are absolutely right about the huge character change that Ross' character went through in season three, as I was stating before. He became less appealing as a consequence, including Rachel's with the writers' desire to make her more selfish than the need to be in regards to her relationship to Ross. The appearance of his character in the first two seasons of the show in comparison to the rest made perfect sense towards his relationship with Rachel's. The reason why that huge character change was disappointing within the general context on the matter.
The general conclusion remains indeed that the on- and off-relationship of Rachel & Ross should not have gone on longer than season five. Because in doing so was *disrupting* the dynamic in the show and making the arc in their relationship weird. Leading to the eventual downfall in its ratings and reception. Making a subsequent Rachel & Ross pregnancy in season eight necessary to blow new life into the show again. Working on two completely different couples in a sitcom was perfect from season five onward, since Rachel & Ross had many great ideas they definitely went with and interesting directions to take. Not just fans in general but the actors agree on it as well. That in itself is correctly what you say a pity indeed. At least the *drive* for a higher ideal was there when Rachel & Ross did end up together for good. Giving credit where credit is due.
From Season 5 to the Season 10 series finale, Chandler's and Monica's relationship developed and became the HEART and SOUL of "Friends". Chandler's and Monica's proposal episode at the end of Season 6 attracted 30.7 million viewers and their wedding episode at the end of Season 7 attracted 30.2 million viewers. Plus, the Season 5 episode ("The One Where Everybody Finds Out"), when their previously secret romantic relationship becomes public to the rest of the group, is objectively judged as one the all-time favorite episode (if not the #1 all-time favorite episode) during the entire "Friends" series. Chandler and Monica were definitely more than a "secondary" romantic couple. They clearly rivaled the toxic immature, on-again, off-again nature of Ross and Rachel's relationship. This quote from a Season 10 episode from Chandler about Monica symbolizes that:
"My wife is an incredible woman. She's loving, devoted, and caring...I love my wife more than anything in this world....and it kills me that I can't give her a baby. I really want a kid, and when that day comes, I'll learn how to be a good dad. But my wife, she's already there. She's a mother, without a baby."
Ross and Rachel became a total bore. Friends became great as it should have- because of Monica and Chandler!
Monica and chandler love friends ❤️
Gee, I wonder who will win-
My money’s ALWAYS on Monica and Chandler!
"You opened all the wedding gifts without me? " "You kissed another woman?! " "Call it even? " "Okay! " *High fives* Mondler is for suuuure the ultimate couple!
That is a great example on why they are perfect for each other
Haha yeah imagine if that was Ross and Rachel:
“you KISSED another woman!!?!???”
“You OPENED the presents without me!!??!”
“OMG I CAN’T BELIEVE I EVEN THOUGHT OF MARRYING YOU!”
“I CAN’T BELIEVE I THOUGHT OF MARRYING YOU!”
“LETS TAKE A BREAK”
“yeah let’s go get frozen yogurt”
“No, from us”
(Ross storms out)
😂 jk I love Ross and Rachel but they’re not very good at talking things through 😂
Agreed now if Roschel solved simple problems like that it wouldn’t be as messy as it is
Monica and Chandler should win romance just for the proposal scene... This was the most romantic moment of the entire show.
Agreed. I cried during that scene.
I agree with you
anna yup
Totally agreed! And is it just me or did anyone else “awww” every time they were together. “More laughs than awws” wtf?
i know right! when i watched the proposal, there was a lot of laughter, which annoyed me so i screamed "SHUT THE HECK UP THIS IS NOT FUNNY"
Lets face it, we all love Ross and Rachel, but Monica and Chandler have the kind of relationship that we all wish we had
I don't
Oh, I absolutely hated Ross and Rachel together. I legit liked her better with Joey (and even I admit that that was probably not gonna work either.)
I hate them as a couple and as characters and as actors
Exactly, i totally agree with you
Nope. I was a fan of Ross and Rachel when I was 10, but when i turned 15 and rewatched I quickly found Ross to be to controlling, immature and jealous. Ross and Rachel were better as friends, I really dont like them and now im 22. People who love them as couples are either very young or naive to think that a relationship should be that horrible.
Monica and Chandler are the couple I inspire to be like. They were mature, they truly loved each other, they worked with each other to maintain their relationship , they were there for each other through, and they were VERY relatable.
Ross and Rachel always loved each other, they just didn’t know think it could work out
Ikr 🥺
And they're secure enough to mock and make fun of each other, wich is the biggest prove of a strong stable relationship
@@Josama0214 not really
Monica and Chandler are the couple we didn't expect, but love once it happens
@Cody Higinbotham Didn't expect? It was quite obvious since the first season. It was Monica who seemed to *care* the most about Chandler all along and vice-versa too. You remember the scene in season three with the flashback when Phoebe was moving out and Chandler being the first to comfort her with a hug. Then later in the season finale at the beach house and the beginning of season four too, when Monica was comforting Chandler when Joey was dating Kathy.
This bond was written in a similar *way* as with Rachel & Ross in the beginning, with Marcel the monkey that was lost at a certain point and helping each other to find it and grow. The creators have come to admit that Monica & Joey was the central couple they had in mind before rewriting it to Monica & Chandler, due to the decision of dumbing down Joey's character that made it unworkable. Proving once more that Monica & Chandler were meant to be since the very beginning and not something spontaneous. The foreshadowing was thus obvious, but Monica & Chandler was still a magnificent addition.
Jingle bells,
Phoebe yells,
Rachel ran away!
Ross is fine,
Joey's mine,
Mondler all the way!
No Joey is MINE
That's cool!
HAHAHAAHAHHAAHHAHA TOO GOOD BOO
YESSSSSSS
Giulia Testa haha I’ve seen that🤣
Ross and Rachel's relationship was really messy, but Monica and Chandler's was full of true love and passion!!
Ross and Rachel’s relationship was also filled with true love
@@Josama0214 bull shit toxic shits..ruining each other relationship
@@Josama0214 not really but i could be biased because i hate rachel so much that i skip her scens when i watch friends
@@ectrion2574 yeah I think you are biased because there is definitely lots of love in ross and rachel's relationship
@@tmm4195 yeah but it no where compares to monica and chandler or even mike and pheobe if you want an explanation why rachel and ross relationship is flawed reply
It's obviously Monica and Chandler. There was a certain chemistry between Ross and Rachel before the " we're on a break" fiasco , but that faded away and their relationship became manipulative , unhealthy and very physical. Monica and Chandler had the most wonderful relationship ever!!!
There would probably have been an uproar from lots of Friends fans if Ross and Rachel hadn't got back together in the end. The whole "will they won't they?" thing went on for so long that a reunion was inevitable.
Ikr, the Rachel and Ross thing was so forced at some point.. they ruinned it after this “on a break” fiasco. Its also affected the quality fo the characters for me.. I mean like Ross went from the cute geeky and generous guy to a self-absorbed guy constantly whinning and playing the victim. Rachel kept being condescending to Ross after that and that was just too much
@@jadefo2433 so true ... Literally that segment painted Ross character in a very bad way
monica and chandler, no matter what one say, are forever.
and is the better
AngryAnimeFan - The Despair Reviewer I absolutely agree
You can agree and disagree on it. Were they a better couple? Yes. Were they more realistic? No. There are many reasons why Rachel & Ross was more realistic in the ways of how they went through the hardships. Not always the best way, this was a definite issue in the show, but nevertheless at the end of the road realizing they were meant for each other. The reason why the answer is difficult, because you're speaking about two different couples so to speak, or storylines is a better word to describe it.
@@dvchel How this constant teenage drama of Ross&Rachel is more realistic? In real life they would never stay together, especially after 6 years after separation. They were dysfunctional and only brought ewch other down, that is not healthy and realistic.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 I was more referring to the huge hurdles, the pain and the setbacks they had to endure and go through to come where they finally were in the last episode - together forever for good.
You remember the whole list that Ross wrote about Rachel in season two and then her, vice-versa, in season four at the beach house right? So it is easy to agree on and I am certainly not denying it that the writers were messing up their relationship too much for comedic purposes here. They should have written Rachel & Ross to help each other grow, going with ideas and taking them into *directions* they definitely went it. As a starter by giving Ross a second chance in season three, because on the contrary laid the foundation of their dysfunctional & unhealthy relationship. However, even though as disappointing this may be, the hurdles they had to overcome is undeniable. But yeah, it leaves you with a mixed feeling in the end.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 how is their relationship not realistic????? When I look around, that's all I see lol
While we all rooted for Ross and Rachel ( or at least most of us did), they can't even hold a candle to Chandler and Monica. I remember at the time everyone was shocked when they got together, but if you watch the series back now, it makes so much sense and it seems like they were always destined for each other. When Monica for emotional about the babies at the hospital, Chandler comforted her. Whenever there was a break up, they leaned on each other. And the only time that Chandler cried in the entire series, was when he proposed to Monica. Everything about Monica and Chandler was perfect.
@murnavid yeah true. I am a teenager. And I love ross and Rachel personally more. Like just a opinion. But ross was way too good. And I feel bad that he is so underrated. His acting was the best among all. And ross rachel chemetry>>>> maybe it's jyst a teenager thing but all my friends and I love ross and Rachel more
@murnavid tbh for me also mondler was the best until the very last episode of friends😭
The last episode made me fall in love with these both two more and more which I may have done with mondler on the whole season
(sorry if my english is wrong🥺)
I think we all agree that it’s Monica and Mrs. Chanandler Bong
I think you wanted to say Monana and Mrs Chanandler Bong :)
Actualy..... it Is MISS CHANANDLER BONG
Nyssa Tithi woosh :/
@Nyssa Tithi it was clearly a joke and you missed it. You clearly aren't a huge fan to not get that reference
😂
Mondler. No argument, sometimes I rewatch the whole series again just for them.
Same
Millie Gallagher sameee
Same
Sameeeee
Good to know I’m not the only one 😂😂😂
Chandler and Monica!
CHANDLER AND MONICA!
cHAnDleR aND moNiCA!!!
-Phoebe Buffay
An iconic character with even more iconic quotes....
My eyes...😂😂😂
ThEy’Re DoInG iT
MY EYES OMG MY EYESSS SHHSGDJD
MY EYES
Drama will never be more romantic than humor and friendship.
Marina Costa Val 100% agree
Well said!
I know! Exactly what I thought!
True,Mondler to the win
While "Rossel" are more iconic of a couple in TV history, I always favoured "Mondler" more. Monica and Chandler worked harder at their relationship partially because of their horrible childhoods, in contrast to Ross and Rachel who were spoiled by their parents growing up. Plus, it helps that Monica and Chandler knew each other and were already quite close even before they started dating. Ross and Rachel were mostly fuelled by constant drama and fighting, but I loved the stability and care of the Mondler pairing! Mondler forever!😍💘
With you 100%! Right on :)
Like the example of Chandler kissing a married woman and Monica opened tje wedding gifts by herself and bith forgiving each other
I agree with you in everything you said. Just one more detail and very important, Chandler never cheated on Monica. They are the best!!
I agree wit u 100. Mondler all t way
and also iconic for what? Marketing only... :/
Monica: " why won't I be married when I'm forty?"
Chandler: " n-no I meant hypothetically"
Monica: " Ok hypothetically, why won't I be married when I'm forty?"
Chandler:" no bu- I mea- o-oh god! Th-this parachute is a knapsack!!"
Don't forget the scene before that when Chandler is asleep on Monica's shoulder, she says she wants a baby and he responds, "Not tonight honey, I have to work tomorrow."
This shouldn't be a 10 minute video. It should be only a few seconds and a black screen saying Mondler
Lol, you're right)
Monica: "I KNOOOOW "
Definitely
NO!
LOL!!!!😂😂😂😂
Literally no contest its obviously Monica and Chandler.
Exactly! Ross and Rachel's relationship is good for TV but Monica and Chandler's relationship is good for real life
It's like asking which is better? The Marvel Cinematic Universe or the DC Extended Universe?
No Ross and Rachel are so much better together
Noo Mondler is irl Rochel is Romance awwww
Shut up
I always thought Chandler and Monica were the best couple because they always overcame the adversities in life as a couple and then in marriage.
Anyone else ship Regina Philangee and Ken Adams
Maggie Vazquez only real friends-fans will get this one ;))
Lol, obviously ❤
I do. But OMG! you remember that! It's so funny! 😂😂😂
YASSS
Yass
While Ross and Rachel were the iconic couple, Monica and Chandler were much more realistic and their relationship really blossomed and developed in the best way possible
Chandler: they can say your high maintenance but it’s ok because I like maintaining you
Monica: I didn’t even tell him to say that
Monica and Chandler for the win!
@GRJ Could the answer to this video BE anymore obvious? 😂
Honestly, there's no debate here. Monica and Chandler takes this title by all means. They have a strong foundation and security for their relationship. They never had a big drama or fight because they always reconcile knowing the fact that they really love each other. There was never a doubt between them, hence never having the "will they, won't they" dilemma. They are the strongest couple in the show.
@Faindy Vargas It is definitely true that Monica & Chandler were a better couple. However, they were not any more realistic than Rachel & Ross. Frankly, you were pointing it out correctly, as Rachel & Ross had to go through a lot more hurdles and setbacks. Nevertheless, Rachel & Ross were still too dysfunctional & unhealthy through a huge part of the show. This was part of the issue with the writers in them not helping each other grow. This lack of growth was quite substantial and became mightily tedious as long as they were forcing Rachel & Ross in this _"will they or won't they"_ paradigm.
Beautiful comment, so true
who do you like more
Monica and Chandler = like
Ross and Rachel=reply
I feel like I am the only one here who loves roschel 🤦♀️
Tvoje Máma hell no, many people love rosschel, but just some people are ungrateful n forget Ross and Rachel’s romance is the main reason why friends is one of the best shows of all time
@@brandonjackson8234 I'll quote a comment that I saw here. Ross and Rachel are good for TV and the show's rating. Mondler is the better, much more stable and supportive relationship.
*What's interesting isn't always what's better.*
Me
I don’t want to ruin the 69 likes but now I’m commenting
The only reason Ross and Rachel managed to be the most iconic couple is because they had the most drama and arguments throughout the show. Monica and Chandler got together and never had such huge problems like Roschel, they had a MUCH healthier relationship if you ask me. If Ross and Rachel's relationship took a similar path to Monica and Chandler's (where they had arguments but were never so hateful towards each other), I guarantee they wouldn't be that interesting to watch. Hence, Mondler all the way because the show never needed to make their relationship explosive just to make them interesting. They were interesting enough without needing so much drama and constant arguments.
Shay Singh I am not interested in watching a couple hating each other on television. I want to see more mature individuals facing problems like adults and being funny at the same time. Monica and Chandler conquer that 👍😊👏😉
Exactly Monica&Chandler are the main couple, if roschel were the main couple the tv show would be boring because they don't have potential to be funny
Even when they got into arguments, they were always silly and got resolved by the end of the episode, whereas Ross and Rachel's "we were on a break" fight literally went on for 7 seasons.
This.
@@sportsport1654 yeah right keep deluding yourselves
Mondler ofc are you kidding me lol
Monica and Chandler, Ross and Rachel were so confusing, they weren’t together but did want them too see other people? they never spoke about things without arguing. Monica and Chandler is were in love and the fact that it was a surprise made it so special.
Monica and Chandler! Love doesn’t have to be painful and dramatic, Chandler and Monica dealt with real problems that they didn’t cause! I want a relationship like Monica and Chandler!
Agree, me too!
Same!
I mean, Princes Consuela Bananahammock & Crap Bag were more iconic than Ross & Rachel
When he played his air electric keyboard for her... I knew that they were end game.
THAT was love!!! So great!
I loved Phoebe and mike!
Oh I love phoebe and Mike! They're also opposites that work. Like he says on their wedding, he thinks she's wonderfully weird, she's absolutely different from his family and is just amazing to him. And as she says, Mike is everything she ever wanted, he is her family and always will be. ❤
CarolinaGP - yes!!!!!
The development, stability, sacrifice, and heartwarming nature of Chandler and Monica's relationship brought maturity and growth to the Friends sitcom during the middle to later seasons of the series. As compared to the ongoing soap opera drama, frustration, on-again, off-again, immature, and toxic nature of Ross and Rachel's relationship, Chandler and Monica's relationship brought a nice counterbalance that made it possible for having 2 core relationships couples between 4 of the main characters on the show. From Season 5 to the Season 10 series finale, Chandler's and Monica's relationship gradually became the heart and soul of "Friends".
Well... duh. Monica's team ALWAYS wins.
A relationship like that of Ross and Rachel would make good TV and drama. But in practical reality nobody would want to get that hurt and anxious and be involved in an on-again-off-again relationship like that of Ross and Rachel. We are OK watching and speculating over such a relationship when it doesn't involve us or any one that we love and care about. In other words its makes good scripts... In real life we all would something like that of Monica's and Chandler's....
Exactly! There’s a big difference between what makes good, dramatic TV and what makes for a stable relationship. Perfectly stated!
Exactly
Not to mention, noone should be in a relationship where one part is at jealous and paranoid as Ross was. Ross was also very controlling of Rachel and just general very immature. But for some reason the creators wanted us to love him and Rachel, even though their relationship was horrible-
@@TKDDLJ09 Rachel cared less about Ross feeling in all the 10 seasons. She was such a spoilt brat. Jealousy and possessiveness is pretty common issue in many real life relationships.The main issue with Ross and Rachel characters is both are headstrong and don't adjust well to the circumstances asap and it causes too much trouble. Pretty much shows the most romantic couples who don't have any idea how a relationship should work. Chandler and Monica are the ideal relationship you would want.
@@sushanthadusumilli1067 yes, Rachael was a brat most of the time. But I don't believe that jealousy in the degree that Ross had should ever be common in a relationship. He was so paranoid. But in general the two just didn't match at all. They were just not a good match.
Monica and Chandler’s engagement had me weep harder then anything that ever happened the Ross and Rachel. And the time they couldn’t have children too.
Nah, Monica and Chandler were more romantic for me. I'm more like a "stone-heart" kind, but they made me cry like five times because of the big love they had for each other. I never did with Ross and Rachel. I actually didn't want them to end up together, they were just so toxic. I noticed that since the "WE WERE ON A BREAK" incident. My role model relationship is, and will always be, Mondler.
Fr. I'm more of a cynic than a romantic but Mondler is what every romantic would want in their life. I can't deny that.
Fr same I cried multiple times during Monica and Chandler’s relationship but never did for Rachel and Ross
True the Monica chandelier team would be a great real life marriage I would never have liked friends without them
STABLILITY: mondler
ROMANCE: mondler
FRIENDSHIP: mondler
ICONIC: roschel
COMPATIBILITY: mondler
Overall - mondler!!
Ikr... I don't understand y they gave romance to roschel... That proposal scene was one of the most romantic scenes in friends
Comparing Mondler to Roschel is like comparing the Marvel Cinematic Universe VS the DC Extended Universe.
MONDLER ALL
Ozymandias love both, why do people have to hate one and love the other, it’s not a competition
See mondler might be stable.. but the relationship that kept going between roschel made the audience on their toes.. It was much more exciting and entertaining.. That relationship along with the friendship of Joey and Chandler was the backbone of the show.. Well I would also like to tell that during the whole series I could not keep my eyes away from Rachel 😍😍
“Debate it in the comments” there’s no debate everyone picked Chandler and Monica
Ummm no I didnt
Joey and Hugsy the Bedtime Penguin Pal
@@tvojemama3121 you're not everyone
@@imsickoflifeanditstactics5063 lol I know xd
No ross and Rachel>>>>>
all the points should have went to monica and chandler.
Perfect example of people expecting that everyone should get a participation award. I'm not saying that the creators couldn't have FOUND a subject or 2 that maybe Ross and Rachel could/should have won the point on... but everything in the video as they posted it absolutely should have gone to Chandler and Monica.
the "how iconic they are" category was clearly there just to give Ross and Rachel a point
MoraDora they keep repeating the "iconic part" as a marketing strategy or something.
Also, they manipulated the "romance category"
I agree with you. Anyway I think the point for Ross an Rachel was unfair because I think that Monica and Chandler are the most iconic couple.
@juju25 I think Ross and Rachel are the iconic couple because Ross has liked her since the beginning of the show and when they got together it was a dream come true for some fans 😐
Llamas Are nice maybe you’re right. Actually I do like the couple Rachel and Ross I just think Monica and Chandler were better together, I think they’re te best couple in every sitcom and movie ever.
@Juju25
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I never really got why Ross and Rachel got so much “positive” feedback for their relationship. Don’t get me wrong, I love their individual characters, but not them as a couple.They were both somewhat toxic and childish. Yes, there were sweet moments but I feel like they spent majority of their relationship arguing about things that were caused due to their toxic behavior. Monica and Chandler on the other hand, made each other better people. You can see it mostly in Chandler’s character development. Don’t get me wrong, still love Ross and Rach, however I do think it would’ve been better if it was left as a high school crush, or if their relationship was written differently. I genuinely think that Monica and Chandler’s relationship was one of the best written relationships on TV and I’m happy that they found each other.
Make a RUclips channel
Honestly I agree with you for the most part but the main reason Ross and Rachel get so much positive feedback is all that more immature romantic excitement you know? Like the person said in the video, not knowing the outcome so people would want to go back and watch to see what happens with their relationship. In another comment I saw that ross and rachels relationship is good for TV and monicas and chandlers are good for a real life great relationship. Its not that their relationship is bad its that ross and rachels arent that tv couple. Since watching it already, thats when you can notice those cons like you said in the relationship.
See, funny thing is if I saw Ross and Rachel walking down the street, I might vomit because of how good they look together. That's not to say that the same wouldn't happen with Monica and Chandler if I saw them, but if I knew them, of course, everything would change. I would see Ross and Rachel are exactly what I have been told will happen everytime while Monica and Chandler are what I believe could happen, given there is enough effort on both ends.
EDIT: So I guess for me, it represents what I've been told vs. what I myself believe.
Agreed!!!
I agree😌✨
And the winners are: *inserts drumroll*
THE BINGS!!❤
Chandler: thank you, thank you. Could we be any more blessed?
Monica: Oh please. Your on my team. And my TEAM always wins!!
Chandler: I love you babe.
Monica: Love you too honey.
Joey: Awww you guys are so cute!!
Monica: I KNOW!!
Everyone: - heart melts💞.
Ok?
How you doin?
I READ IT WITH EACH OF THEIR SPEAKING TONE :)
@@jolevskyanja Thats how I imagined it. ;)
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I personally think that friends never went downhill. I love the whole show and most of my favorite episodes are from the last seasons.
I agree
Yup
They never went down hill. F.R.I.E.N.D.S. is the only sitcom I know of that ended with ratings at the top. No one was ready for them to leave. In addition: F.R.I.E.N.D.S. is the only sitcom I know of that later gained the same popularity with the next generation (thanks to selling each season on DVD) after the show had been off air for years. Whose sitcom has done that?
Kayi Linton my favorite episode are around the first 6 seasons but yeah the show never went down hill it was still hilarious there was more drama though but that’s a need and sitcoms in facts it just got better
@Nelson Robert Willis I didn't watch the last couple years of Seinfeld when it ended, so I won't argue that. One thing I know is there is not as much noteriety of Seinfeld as much as there are Friends and the actors. Fans of Friends are still wishing for a reunion movie. Seinfeld was another great sitcom about real life experiences.
MONICA AND CHANDLER! MONICA AND CHANDLER! OH MY EYES, MY EYES!!! BEST COUPLE EVER
I know! And Joey knows but Ross doesn't know so you have to stop screaming!
Who wouldn't want to have a relationship like Chandler and Monica? They relationship was very compatible and healthier.
Monica and Chandler were THE couple of Friends. While I initially rooted for Ross and Rachel, the spiteful childish nature of their relationship after their breakup was so tedious that it was tempting to quit watching... indeed, on re-watch there's a whole chunk of post-breakup episodes we often skip. Once Monica and Chandler start dating, Friends becomes much more watchable. Their relationship seems more real and is more enviable. Their proposal still makes me cry even though I've lost track of how many times I've watched it. While I'm glad that Ross and Rachel did end up together, part of me didn't care anymore. The 'will they, won't they' just went on too long. I always refer to Friends as both a master class in how not to write a relationship (Ross/Rachel) and a master class how to write a relationship (Monica/Chandler.) Ross and Rachel had the potential to be great but the writers squandered it, then they did it right with Monica and Chandler.
Nikki 90125 exactly ... mondler’s relationship saved the show .. i don’t even want to imagine 10 seasons of the whole on and off crap ... and as you said at a certain point I stopped caring about them , because monica and chandler just owned my heart . plus they were way more fun to watch they were even funnier as a couple .
Absolutely agree
@@Weird_fest True! I don't get why some would call Mondler "boring" when they had so many funny and tender moments
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 Probably bc Chandler was getting less cynical as he was getting happier.
Monica and Chandler are the best by far. I do like Ross and Rachel, they were indeed made for each other but i never really cared for them .... But Rachel and Joey is the worst couple to me... So awkward and no chemistry imo.
Before there was even any romantic stuff between Chandler and Monica, there was so much chemistry. They were always sitting in chairs together and had their arms around each other.
The only thing good about Roschel is the heat of the moment passionate love, they’re super toxic.
For a healthy relationship full of love, the Bings will always win.
Look like this channel is kind of bias
Monica at 0:40 sums up Ross and Rachel throughout the series tbh.
The bottom line is Monica and chandler all the way!
Exactly
“we’re sure you’d agree this one goes to ross and rachel” yeah none of us agree with that
I know, it's really odd how Rachel was surprised that Ross was a cheater, she literally kissed him while he was with Julie and Bonnie.
Please can we do another couple fued please.
Homer & Marge vs Peter & Lois or
Fry & vs Leela vs Stan & Francine.
obviously Mondler.
in my opinion, Ross and Rachel became more and more toxic as every episode went buy, were Monica and Chandler only had small fights that were solved in a matter of hours.
Mondler was and will always be the best couple on Friends!
Monica and Chandler ✋ s down . Ross and Rachel we're more of a soap opera thing . Could it *be* any more obvious?
Chandler and Monica are the best couple, even when they argued you could always be sure they would patch things up. No contest
I'm sorry, but Monica & Chandler should have won every single round. Ross & Rachel were completely toxic for 99% of their relationship. Plus, how many people honestly say "I wish I had a love like Ross and Rachel!" Um...that would be NONE... how the hell is that iconic?
Now give a a VS video between...lets say Chandler & Monica and.... Cory & Topanga... Now THAT could be an interesting video! This one felt like you just gave a couple to Ross and Rachel the same way you give the losing team participation awards.
I wish I didn't cry that much as Ross and Rachel but I wish I wouldn't have that much of a perfect/almost superficial relationship of Monica and Chandler cause that's what I've seen in that sitcom.
@@yinloveyang So stable, fun and understanding is "superficial" for you?) Wow. Plus, the never were perfect, it's just they could resolve them peacefully and quickly, in a mature way.
@@yinloveyang Thing is that's how a functional couple should work. Instead of insisting for a break when the going gets tough they would talk it through like a couple should do. I don't know where perfect came from but they were anything but that. They were perfect for each other yes but their relationship wasn't perfect. Having a long distance relationship, debating on leaving the city, problems with having a baby, etc. It's how they worked through it that should how mature they were and how they cared for one another.
@@gabbylongoria6834 You just won't get it.... but that's fine.... Sorry not sorry.
Honestly I agree there relationship was toxic I do like Ross and Rachel but separately not together
the ultimate friends couple was joey and chandler
The ultimate Bromance!
Ders always one guy😂
But true
Without a doubt
goals
YASS
As much as I love the excitement and drama of Ross and Rachel, Monica and Chandler have a healthier and balanced relationship. It's never been a one sided pining or an on and off again fiasco. They're what friends in love should be like. They challenge each other to grow. They're just so amazing I can't even!
I love watching Chandler and Monica's relationship more as their story focused more on their struggles of having a family of their own while Ross and Rachel's story focused more on their on and off relationship which could get annoying at times. It felt as if Ben and Emma were used as only plot devices. Also, an on and off relationship is not healthy. Ross and Rachel's story had an open ending and I can only assume they never really worked out.
@R I Q U E It is easy to agree and disagree here. Monica & Chandler were a better couple indeed. However, they never had to go through the same hardships and hurdles together that Rachel & Ross went through. It is easy to agree on the notion that with the decision of the writers to continue fixating on Rachel & Ross' _"will they or won't they"_ paradigm that it came at the expense of their growth. Both personality-wise and socially-wise.
Eventually the show's creators, Kauffman & Crane made it clear in an interview that Rachel & Ross were still together today, married and had two more children etc. Even Jennifer herself came to admit it. Nevertheless, it seems that they do *realize* and recognize where many fans are coming from, when watching Rachel & Ross throughout these ten seasons and seeing this huge lack of growth between them. After the break-up until the very last episode. The creators probably knew the *arc* in their relationship was weird due to their desire to force them through these divorces and break-ups.
David Schwimmer had no trouble admitting this at least in a recent interview too. Thus it remains one of the biggest disappointments to occur in the show as a consequence. That we *never* got to see Rachel & Ross as a functioning couple, or at least helping each other grow. It was always this problematic, dysfunctional & unhealthy type of relationship that became mightily tedious and thus in many ways unrealistic. Beginning with Rachel's character giving Ross a second chance during their fight in season three was a good start.
besides the over extended on and off again, which should have ended in season 6 or 7 and had them functioning as a couple, the other biggest issue i have always ha with friends is the fact they gave Ross a son, it had function i guess in the first season, but the kid is never around nor ever mentioned except i think twice, it to me always made Ross a bad father.
I feel the same, in my head they stay together for a few years for the sake of Emma, but then ultimately split up for good.
@@TheKat12364 Wow! You mention two good points. Firstly, about the decision that should have been made to stop with Rachel & Ross' on- and off-relationship in either season six or seven. Secondly, the inclusion of and the storyline about Ben, Ross' son in the show. It is easy to agree on the both of them.
Agree, definitely not healthy and realistic. Shame it was marketed as this big romance or "star-crossed lovers", when it was just dysfunctional and immature.
Monica and chandler are so underatted
How
sachita mandhyan yess
Not at all tf everyone loves them
Not at all everybody loves them
I don't think you know what 'underrated' means
Monica and Chandler where my relationship goals
Their proposal oh the waterworks
@missrosethings Yeah, definitely. The way in which Chandler went down his knees and both began crying made your eyes watery for real. A very special moment indeed.
I was bawling when joey told chandler that Monica left
Monica and Chandler all the way! Their relationship was so healthy I loved it. My favorite part of the show was Monica and Chandler's relationship
Monica and Chandler 100%! Ross and Rachel were just so toxic to each other and their relationship was far from healthy. The only thing that kept them together in the end was their daughter
Chandler and Monica had a lot of development. It was very natural and the two really fit each other. None of them rushed too fast and that’s what made their relationship successful and undying. Their story inspired me to keep believing that I will find my Chandler one day 💕
Lmao Ross and Rachel had a toxic ass relationship. Monica and chandler were really good friends and had a mature relationship.
Okay and? Ross and Rachel made friends popular and is not iconic, but Mendler is better but Ross n Rachel is toxic but r fun to watch
Brandon Jackson Uhhhh she/he did not say that friends would be better without ross and rachel together or something
Actually they are individually great couples, I mean Mondler is more likely an actual relationship where even tho they had discussions they stayed together as a couple, but roschel shows that you need to be mature to be in a relationship. Roschel started and then after the we were on a break thing they never rlly got back until the last episode, but that shows that they needed that time appart from each other, they got more mature and they ended up together after all, so IN MY OPINION its not that toxic.
Yeah I totally agree with you on this one. Monica and chandler are the best couple ever, not Ross and Rachel. Eh eh.
is there a debate? its clearly Monica and Chandler
Rachel&Ross gives me frustration , and Mondler heals that for me lol
I love the lobster theory and how they found they way back to each other, but Monica and Chandler are the most beautiful couple ever! Best friends that fell in love are goals!!!
I've said this before, and I'll say it again:
Ross and Rachel's relationship is *not* a healthy relationship! That's why most people prefer Monica and Chandler over Ross and Rachel. People would rather watch a happily married couple that truly love each other than watch two characters go back and forth in some sort of love-hate relationship. Ross and Rachel's on and off again thing may have started as something we could enjoy, but it got kind of annoying after a while.
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Totally agree it became so annoying and boring , thank god mondler happened , they really saved the show , i mean imagine if the show kept going for 10 seasons just about ross and rachel’s relationship ...
True. I was already done with them after the second season. I only kept watching because of Chandler
@Puff Poff It is definitely true that the writers were *messing* up the relationship of Rachel & Ross too much for comedic purposes.
At first, in season three, when *twisting* the narrative about their huge fight to cheating, then in season four fixating on this _"we were on a break"_ argument, then Ross subsequently moving on from Rachel enough to marry someone else and then later being back in love again. Speaking in terms of a former HS Cheerleader dating the biggest nerd on the block, is pretty realistic.
However, the way in which they were written out was not. The Prom Video made sense. It was so perfectly done. Then to see how their relationship was evolving into such a dysfunctional & unhealthy type was really disappointing. Thus you can only agree on your last sentence. Due to the fact of the writers' desire to fixate on their _"will they or won't they"_ paradigm, that it came at the expense of both Rachel and Ross in terms of character growth.
🙄🙄ok. Ross and Rachel was so much better
From Season 5 to the Season 10 series finale, Chandler's and Monica's relationship gradually developed and became the HEART and SOUL of "Friends". This quote from a Season 10 episode from Chandler about Monica symbolizes that:
"My wife is an incredible woman. She's loving, devoted, and caring...I love my wife more than anything in this world....and it kills me that I can't give her a baby. I really want a kid, and when that day comes, I'll learn how to be a good dad. But my wife, she's already there. She's a mother, without a baby."
Do one for Chandler and Joey VS Monica and Rachel.
Such a great idea. Although every one of the six spent so much time with everyone else that you can only compare those pairs for season 1 and maybe two I guess.
Ethan Carter Joey and Chandler are gonna win
There is nooo competition... jaey and chandler will win hands down
Oooooooo that's a good idea!!!
A better one would be Joey and Chandler vs Joey and Phoebe.
I truly don't understand why everyone are so in love with Ross and Rachel. They only dated for 2 seasons with a few hookups here and there. Monica and Chandler fell in love and are truly in love! Lets face it, if the show continued Ross and Rachel would probably breakup again
Cordelia Bell ikr
Mmm... Not really, because in the Joey spinoff Joey reveals that they got married and had another kid. Sooo even if there were an 11th season they would not have broken up
nobody are love Ross and Rachel here, actually.
really, all the comments down there is about Mondler
Cordelia Bell Everybody is in love with Chandler and Monica. But the writer's favorites apparently were Ross and Rachel. Also, Ross and Rachel have so much propaganda repeating for them that they are "lobsters" and that they are the "iconic couple" which is obviously bullshit.
ross and rachel are just such unlikable characters I don’t get why everyone likes them together so much??
MONICA AND CHANDLER ARE JUST THE BEST!!!! It’s actually sad when I see people prefer Rachel and Ross, like what??
Ross and Rachel’s relationship is a lot more interesting
Ross rachel over anything>>>>
Ikr
To be completely honest both the ships were taken as great by the audience so there is no comparison
Both of them ain’t true
It joey and chandler’s bromance
Yes. They were also a strong, stable relationship, lol!
Truuuuu
@@Greencastles23 tho, there was the time when Joey moved out in season 2 (if I'm not wrong), but in my opinion, it only made their friendship stronger😍😍
But actually tho
Joey and Chandler for the win
Didn’t even know there was a debate, Mondler are the best
With all the numerous iconic comedic moments of sarcasm and humor his character on "Friends" is remembered for, Chandler (Matthew Perry) is a major part of the three (3) most poignant speeches and emotional moments in the sitcom series. His engagement proposal speech to Monica (Courteney Cox), his wedding marriage vows to Monica, and finally his heartfelt "mother without a baby" speech about Monica when they are trying to adopt babies. Their chemistry on-screen and off-screen was so natural, on-point, and off-the-charts amazing. Monica & Chandler ("Mondler") clearly get my vote as the Ultimate "Friends" Couple.....😍💘❣👍
Ross and Rachel's relationship is the kind of relationship you would love to watch unfold.
Monica and Chandler's relationship is the kind of stable relationship you wish your close ones would have.
Pheobe and Mike's relationship is the kind of relationship you wish you have.
Nah I wouldn't want Mike's and Phoebe's. I want a Mondler relationship
I wouldn't want Phoebe's and Mike's relationship, it's Bing's all the way
I WISH I had a relationship like Monica and Chandler
Monica & Chandler 100% and WE KNOW IT.
I think chandler is such an underrated character 💛
Pfft yeah right
He's one of my favorite characters... Chandler and I are very alike too, now that I think about it...
I looved Chandler, until he got married
No he isnt. Ross is... :)
Literally everyone loved chandler
I don't think you know what 'underrated' means
As a kid I favorited Ross and Rachel, due to the show's focus on their "will they won't they" dynamic. But as an adult I'm much more fond of Monica and Chandler. They act like a healthy couple.
They're friends who talk things out because they legitmately care to make the other happy and try to solve issues. While it's mainly played for jokes, you can see how they both have become more mature and happier people through the relationship. They've became equal partners, who appreciate each other's positives and faults
While there are a couple of them, overall they avoid the "grand gesture" resolution to fights and deal with things more realistically. And their relationship progressed at a good pace: going from casual, to serious, to marriage, to kids. In reality their relationship is pretty mundane, and that's good!
Ross and Rachel weren't a real couple at the beggining. They couldn't be. Ross was obsessed with Rachel for so long, he obviously saw her as a prize to lose; while still scarred from losing his last wife by surprise. And Rachel was too immature and dramatic to know what she really wanted. All these big emotions aren't healthy.
Especially the whole "We were on a break scenario". I don't believe Rachel communicated her feelings or intentions well to Ross and Ross should have not have slept with someone else immediately after if he wanted any chance to fix the relationship.
Also they both always challenge each other on who "is right" in argumemts instead of wanting to settle them and compromise. While Chandler and Monica genuinely just like each other
I still don't trust Ross and Rachel will stay together due to the dramatic ending vs Monica and Chandler who have developed such a strong realistic relationship with similar goals and tools to deal with life's challenges.
There is my sad overanalysis of a laugh track sitcom from the 90s...
I totally agree. Mondler may not have been as "exciting" or as "unpredictable" as "Roschel",but they had more of a calm, equal pairing compared to Ross and Rachel, who were always vying for control of the relationship.
Monica and Chandler didn't much in common, but their differences brought out the best in each other, as her domineering personality helped him to gain more structure in his life, while his more laidback demeanor encouraged her to have more fun.
@@trinaq Exactly. While it was less intense, it was healthy, and it brought out the best in both of them
I agree with everything you said. So true!
And a great analysis at that! ^_^ Totally agree!
Exactly!! I used to love Ross and Rachel when i was 10, but I grew up and saw how horrible their relationship was. And you described perfectly what Ross thought of Rachel, as a prize because he was so obsessed with her. I also really thought Ross was kind of mean to Rachel, making her feel stupid and it felt like he sometimes talked to her like she was a kid on the verge of a tantrum.
I actually adore couples who as some would say are "Mundane" but to me, I find it refreshing, because it shows a healthy relationship on tv which we dont get enough. And Monica and Chandler were still funny, but their character didn't depend on their love story, it depended on their personality whereas Ross and Rachel, as character, was much more dependent on their love stories
The scene where Monica tells chandler that they’re getting a baby is so cute . His reaction killed me 😫
Monica and Chandler are the definition of how a relationship should be
Monica and Chandler end of story