Sabbath Debate Rebuttal with Pastor Doug Batchelor
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- Hi, friends! We received thousands of comments and questions from the Sabbath discussion with Steve Gregg. We thought it would be useful to go a little deeper into answering some of the most common objections to Sabbath observance raised by Steve and others.
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Doug Batchelor : what do u mean by keep the sabbath. Do u think police, firemen, electric workers, phone company people should not work on the sabbath. Thank u.
No thanks, I don't believe in getting my info from false lady prophets
Yes it was a great. You did great Doug! Although I'm not SDA, your approach and bible answers just make sense. I believe God is not the author of confusion. Amen.
They say Jesus broke the Commandments yet can't answer Him when He says “I will ask you one thing: Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy?” Luke 6:9 SLAM DUNK!!!
@@himynameisjohnwumsh7631 Lol.. The Sabbath was organized by Jacob and Laban, uncle and nephew.
Always a pleasure to listen to Pastor Doug. Let scripture talk and reveal Christ.
Beautiful comment.🕊
This man is uneducated about this so call Sabbath.
@@RobertJones-lh3df why?
Thank you Pastor Dough! Blessed as always to hear you talk about Sabbath from the word of God..Nice to see Mrs. Batchelor. God bless your ministry!
@Mike Flanagan Cite evidences please
Happy Sabbath to all family around the world GOD bless you I Love you.
Very well explained Pastor Doug! Thank you for your amazing contribution to the world! May God continue to richly bless your ministry and of course your family. :)
Are you from Cuba?
Just love Pastor Doug! God has truly blessed His church in giving us the sabbath and pastors like Pastor Doug! Praise be to God!
Look at them, A beautyfull couple sharing to the world the extremely important message of GOD, They serve GOD and many are learning and making decisions to join the world wide church to be ready when JESUS comes back and to depart with him out of this bondage.Thank you, I learn so much, Thank you.
Amen!! Thank you Pastor Doug 😀✌
We keep the shabbat and worship on Saturday cause it is the 7th day of the week. Yeshua name means salvation.
Correct and correct. GOD bless you brother.
James Chapman #Autodetailing I know you!
All I have to say is pastor doug Kudos to you and your ministry. Because you are a Bible believing. Pastor u teach and preach the true word of God the Bible you don't script your twist.
You've changed a lot of lives and brought a lot of lives to God. God bless you pastor you and your household
Thank you Pastor Doug I really enjoyed the initial debate you did God proud in pointing out that the ten commandments was about God's love to us sinners. And now this follow-up is even more educational to those seeking the TRUTH....I thank God for your ministry
You should thank God for what I know about this Sabbath buddy.
@@RobertJones-lh3df Yes thank God for using His mouth piece Pastor Doug Batchelor...
@@ivantagai5486 pastor dougie is a fake. His mouthpiece is a lie pad.
@@RobertJones-lh3df how, why is he fake? Because he says what the Bible says?
I watched the Debate and pasted it on to 200 of our viewers. So did others. 😇 Thank you Pastor and your wife Mrs. Batchelor for doing the math; the only thing we have to do is take down all the bible notes that y'all prepared in this video. We Praise God for. Glory be to His name.
All all the people said Amen. Hallelujah!!!
Thank you so much pastor Doug and family for all you do GOD bless you.
Thank you Pastor Doug, the truth really is beautiful, you are so blessed with divine wisdom, I always love to hear your sermons and of course the debate you had with Pastor Steve about Sabbath.
Thank you for your kind comment, David! May the Lord bless you.
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Thank you Doug for clarity and truth in Gods word, Praise the Lord
Thank you! Very informative Mr and Mrs Batchelor. God bless you both x
Psalms 40:8
"I delight to do Your will, O my God, And Your law is within my heart.”
Your wife is wonderful! God bless
What a beautiful loving couple I thank you for your beautiful message
Blessed Sabbath day. Amen. I also believe that God is a God of order. Keeping the Sabbath day holy cannot be a haphazard any day mortals think is fit. It is a specific seventh day.
Even I will skip the exams in Saturday....
But my God is sooooo mighty and powerful God who helped me every time now I have completed my school
Completed without any issues with the help of God
It's difficult though because you will feel that squirmy wormy "dangit! A whole course down the drain!" feeling as you try and obey God. My exams were only Monday to Friday anyway.
I'm very guilty while watching this because I work during sabbath 😢😢😢 my day off at my work is Sunday 😥😥 and I work overseas. I really want to go home and and keep the sabbath Holly again🙏🙏🙏 please pray for me friends 🙏🙏🙏
I will! May God bless you! 🙏
I'm not understanding why you're worried about that. The Law of Moses is no longer in force. As Paul put it, the Lord has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to His cross (Col. 2:13,14). He continues saying, Therefore let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ (Col. 2:16,17). These Christians were being criticized for not keeping the Law of Moses, especially with respect to remembering the Sabbath. In this passage Paul refers to keeping the Sabbath as a shadow of things to come, a phrase used by the Hebrew writer in reference to making animal sacrifices (Heb. 10:1-4). Just as the shadow of animal sacrifice was replaced by the substance of Christ’s sacrificial death, so is the shadow of remembering the Sabbath replaced by the substance of the Lord’s Supper on the first day of the week. There is just as much authority in the New Testament for remembering the Sabbath as there is for animal sacrifices none!
@@kac0404The Sabbath from the Ten Commandments isn’t part of the law of Moses. The Sabbaths that we're a shadow to come was the annual Sabbaths. You also took those scriptures out of context.
@BallersLife3 Yes, it is! There is no separation between the Ten Commandments and the other Mosaic Laws - There is no Scriptural justification to separate the ten laws, the Ten Commandments, written on the stone tablets as separate from the 613 laws which make up the totality of the Mosaic Covenant. The Decalogue is representative of the Mosaic Covenant and is considered a summation of the Laws. It is this principle of unity of the law that is referred to in James 2:10. The totality of the law, being all 613 commandments, is taught in the New Testament. When the New Testament refers to the law, it refers to the 613 laws, not the 10. Here are a few of the many examples:
- The Gospel of John says the Law was given through Moses (John 1:17). In John (John 8:5), we see that the Law of Moses includes stoning those that are caught in adultery (the punishment for stoning is not in the Ten Commandments). In John 7:23, Jesus includes circumcision as part of fulfilling the “Law of Moses.” Based on these three passages, we see that the Apostle John writes of the Law as one entity.
- Jesus’ parents bring Him to the temple in Luke 2:22-24 for the ‘Law of Moses’ which is also interpreted in the same passage as the ‘Law of the Lord.’ After completing everything according to the ‘Law of the Lord’, the parents return to Galilee. The account teaches that the Law of Moses includes the sacrificial system.
@@kac0404LIE on, brother, lie on! It WILL bite you in the end.
I came across the debate video last night and thought Steve Gregg had weak arguments but was an honorable and decent Christian man. However, when I found out he held a meeting the next day and started using the term cult, I lost respect for him. It was a cheap shot and dishonorable on his part.
How can I source that the video please
SDA is a cult
@Jarrod Williamson SDA's are a cult. SDA's don't even know what a cult group looks like!
@@LoCoWi You mean cult in a good way right? Like, the good kind of cult, right?
@@kimescorcia Your previous boss sounds real classy. Lol.
35:00 it might be interesting to know that "new" covenant isn't in many of the earliest manuscripts. It simply says covenant. Meaning, exactly what you are suggesting, it's essentially still the same agreement.
Thank you Pastor Doug for giving a clear cut answer to the Sabbath question. God bless you and your ministry
I love watching your sermons and bible studies Pastor Doug. Such a humble and positive man, and you know how to break it down and explain the word of GOD. Amen and thank you so much. God is so good.
Thank you for your kind message! We are so glad you could join us. May God bless you.
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Hey Pastor Doug, I had a thought about another verse, Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
It's quite easy to see and understand just from this verse that God expected his covenants and the Sabbath to be kept even up until 1000 generations, so if a generation in Israel is 40 years then the covenants and Sabbath are still valid today since the world is only 6000 years old 😊 Also I think there is a lot of confusion on who according to the N.T. is the Nation of Israel according to what Paul taught. People don't realize that we are Abrahams's seed and heirs according to the promise God established with Abraham. People don't understand that we as gentile believers in Christ have become part of spiritual Israel by faith in Christ, so, wouldn't this mean that every covenant established with Israel including the New Covenant is for everyone because we accept what the Jews were meant to through Christ? even though the Jews rejected it, If that's the case, then even if it were true the Sabbath was given to Israel, spiritually we are Jewish so the Sabbath and the commandments are still valid. Of course, we know that the New Covenant changed where and how the commandments are kept by being written on the heart. We keep the commandments because we are saved, not to be saved! Paul said Love is the fulfillment of the Law and that's why they were fulfilled in Christ because he had a perfect love for his father and fellow man and a servant's heart completely submitted to his father, it's no different for us today.
Keep up the wonderful work Pastor Doug and Karen, may the Lord continue to bless your ministry, I would really love to see you do a video on dispensationalism in the Old Testament and the New Testament.
Its been always a pleasure to watch the duo show up&talk
I have issues…what does within thy Gates mean…if they aren’t within thy Gates can you have them work? Do we do research on everything that we buy to make sure that when they were harvesting, producing & manufacturing anything we buy that none of anything we buy was made on the Sabbath, do we not buy it if it was made on sabbath, how do we know if it wasn’t made on the Sabbath?
What about water, electricity, TV service…etc. they are working on the Sabbath to supply us tech, just like me watching this on the sabbath. Please advise. It seams very absurd.
You said this was produced on the Sabbath…who all had to work to get this produced and put on the internet?
I would like to now more about church.
I really enjoyed the bible study about the Sabbath. Let me tell you my experience with my wife, I put in an application of being a Transportation officer for this prison, in the interview they ask me if I could work everyday, I said no I can't work on Saturday which I go to church and they asked me if I was a S.D.A. I said yes I am, so they cut the interview short.
Don't worry, we obey God and not man.
God gave me something better in a similar situation!
My cousin asked me to help him move last week on Saturday.
I prayed about it. I remembered what Jesus my lord said. “ it is lawful to do good on the sabbath.
I thought giving a helping hand to a family member was doing good. So I agreed to help him move.
Did I break the commandant?
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39:50 A Sabbath isn't simply resting on 1 day, it's also about working for 6 days before. God worked for 6 days, he also did good work, and commandmented us to do so as well.
So enjoy your studies.🙏
Behind a,succesful man there,stands a good woman😘
You guys help me a lot, thank God. For pastor Doug Batchelor.
Thank you Pastor Doug.
I find it interesting that the Sunday position just had to have an extra rebuttal to the sabbath debate. It shows to me he knows he lost it. He had a very weak argument which was frail. Didn’t hold any water.
Did you watch the original debate ?
Steve Gregg's position was that the Sabbath is spiritual trust in Christ , not observing a day of not working and of worship.
He did not defend Sunday.
Let us try to be accurate in these matters.
The Sabbath rest is in Christ's finished works
@@thenowchurch6419 steven also said that no where in the bible are we told to assemble on Sabbath so where does he get he can assemble on any day he tried to make it look like it is acceptable for any day so where is that command?
Hebrews 12:23-25
23 To the called out ones of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to Father YAHweh, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 To YAHwehShua the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
Gracias pastor, creo en los mandamientos.
Amen!
7th Day Baptists and Church of God 7th day keep the sabbath
quote--Church of God 7th day keep the sabbath--unquote
BUT, they teach that Jesus was crucified on Wednesday. Which does NOT fit the Bible!!!
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😇 Amen, to the truth. 🙏May God bless those of us, as we watch, listen and learn to take 📝 and share with our housewhole, neightbors, friends and siblings. And all the people said Amen.
Enjoy listening!
I praise God for that debate because it strengthen my faith and believe much more that the Sabbath must be kept
Thanks you two.
I watched the original debate, and its a pity some don't want to believe the Sabbath is still for all man, they then invent the twistings and turnings to make themselves comfortable with ignoring it. Like an old friend said, "Convince a man against his will, and he is of the same opinion still." This is no more true than on this issue.
21:10 yes, I made it only 1 minute into that video and stopped because he misrepresented your position on that fact.... refusing to repent from sin is a salvation issue is the general theology for all Christians. Sabbath keeping is no different, if we are undoubtedly confronted with the truth of its morality.
I saw the home bible study for the first time Friday and saw another today. Is this on every Friday ? I love it
Doug cool ain’t he? lol Love it! I’m trying to get back to studying again. Need to have a whole new bible study soon? Any way to get started? Anyone please?
Genesis 🥰
I did watch it Pastor, good job, God continue blessing your ministry.
Thank you for your clear description of keeping the sabbath and if we love God we will obey his commandments. I cannot understand the Trinity doctrine that the Seventh-day Adventists church Teachers. Since there are several Scriptures one in particular where Jesus says the father is greater than I.Can you help me with this? I love all your talks. And may God bless you and your family and all those searching for the truth.
What hurt me is Steve saying Jesus broke His own law. Smh. If so none of us would’ve had hope or salvation. That is blasphemy to say Jesus broke His own law which He tells us to keep if we love him. 😢
Don’t be hurt, don’t be silly, my name is Matt but you can call me Willy, don’t be angry, don’t be sad, because of all the bad time we probably had, we rest on sabado, because it’s comodo, the Sunday law was made by dodos
He also contradicted himself at the end by claiming God doesn't change. Rule of first mention is how we maintain scriptural harmony. If it's true in the beginning it's true in the ending.
Depends what you mean tho. Breaking the law is sometimes not the same as sinning, that is if He's the same person who gave out The Law.
For e.g. Jesus who is the law giver along with God wouldn't be guilty of blasphemy because They are the law giver and that law isn't binding on them. Same with The Sabbath.
Jesus is THE LORD of The Sabbath therefore over it and not under it.
Just so simple to grasp...
God's light is upon you Pastor Doug with your reasoning of the Scripture. Amen🙏👏
Hello pastor Doug Mrs Batchelor
Pastor Batchelor the sabbath commandment is the fourth commandment from GODS point of view because it’s to be observed on all 4 directions of the compass,and it’s the seventh commandment from our point of view if we looking up to the commandments. Counting up from the last commandment upward.
We can't keep the Sabbath holy, but we can keep the holy Sabbath.
Thank You Mr. and Mrs.Batchelor God be with you and bless you....🙏
Sabbath is the holy day and sunday is sun worshiping day instituted by the roman catholic church. Thanks pastor Batchelor.
Mingo Rodriguez that is false information.
Show me evidence that the early church worshipped the sun on Sunday.
Also why do you attack the Roman named Sun-day, but are completely silent on Saturn-Day? Your inconsistency goes against you.
You said the Catholic church instituted a Sunday observance...wheres your proof? Why do we find in church history especially the early church fathers writings the majority of the early church 200 years before Constantine gathering on what they called the lords say, first day of the week?
You simply repeating what your told doesnt make it true...please study true church history. Not the one made up by Ellen White.
@Mingo Rodriguez Who is the sun god that sunday keepers worship are you referring to?
Us sunday keepers know nothing of a sun god. Do you know that a sun god exists?
@@mattjestic1 Well those names came from pagan backgrounds.
@@learnmore7857 I know that. What does that mean thought? Say different names?
@@mattjestic1 How did the people back then count the days? Did they say Saturday, Sunday, Monday, etc?
If a preacher can't understand something as basic as the establishment of the Sabbath at creation, it makes me question everything else he might teach.
Jesus wasn't recorded saying "the sabbath made at creation was made for man at creation....." if you believe this is what Jesus meant to say, you've added words to change the original meaning to Jesus' statement.
@@LoCoWi So when was the Sabbath made according to Jesus or biblically in your opinion?
In Genesis 2:2-3, these verses say, “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it; because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.” Please notice that in these two verses the Bible speaks about GOD, and about what GOD did. These verses do not mention mankind, they do not mention any command that God gave to man, and they do not mention man keeping the Sabbath. There is simply no proof in these verses in Genesis two that God wanted all men of all ages to keep the Sabbath.
Remember to keep the sabbath day holy god blessed and sanctified it
Moses instructed escaped Hebrew slaves to remember the sabbath day because they were freed from Egyptian slavery. You have no biblical evidence that the shadow law placed precisely in the center of the Decalogue was established on the first day after God ceased working his work of creation. You have no evidence that Shabbat was established any earlier than 430 years after the Abrahamic covenant was established. You have no biblical evidence that Shabbat was established for all mankind, or was ever intended to be eternal or universal. All you have is the error of Adventism and liars like Bachelor. You are bible illiterate and a biblical fool
2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministry of death [Exodus 31:14-18; Exodus 35:1-3; Numbers 15:32-36], written and engraved on stones [Exodus 20:8-11], was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance [Exodus 34], which glory was passing away [Hebrews 7-8], 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. 10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. 11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious. 12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech- 13 unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face [Exodus 34] so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away [Hebrews 7-8]. 14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart [Lamentations 3:65]. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away [Matthew 27:50-51; Mark 15:37-38; Luke 23:44-46; John 19:28-34].
I’m not attacking pastor steve but he gave his own feeling and idea in God’s word he agrees that the Ten Commandments were not ceremonial but he still believes the sabbath is ceremonial from what I’ve heard him say in the debate
God gave the Law to Moses for guiding the children of Israel. He didn’t give it to Adam, Noah, or even Abraham. He gave it to the Hebrews, the nation of Israel. Today however, God’s people are known as Christians - those who are of Christ, His Son. We are not Hebrews, or Jewish, nor Israelites. Therefore, we are not obligated or subject to that law - their law - in any way. The Old Testament (Covenant) was given specifically for them. Why then, would anyone want to use and apply things from that old law, such as tithing, or priestly clothing, or anything else that is not commanded of the Christian?
@kac0404 Jesus said he came not to do away with the law but to fulfil the law. Why would you believe that Old Testament is done away with? Please read Matthew 5:18 and I pray the Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth.
@Camille Anselm The Laws of the Mosaic Covenant are fulfilled in Christ. The Law and the Sabbath were pointing to Christ, it was a shadow of what was to come, and not the substance (Colossians 2:16-17). Jesus said that He came not to abolish the law but to fulfill the law (Matthew 5:17). In fulfilling the law, He completed the law. How did He do this? Jesus fulfilled the Law by obeying the law perfectly and by completing the sacrificial system. Jesus saves to the uttermost! In what way can we offer one more sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins? Jesus pronouncement, “It is finished,” signified the completion and fulfillment of the law.
@Camille Anselm THE LAW OF MOSES IS IN OBSOLESCENCE - Paul states that Christ is the end of the Law (for righteousness) in Romans 10:4. Galatians 3 shows that the law came 430 years after, and it was added to Abrahamic Covenant of circumcision. The law was given until the ‘seed should come.’ Christ, the seed has come. Hebrews teaches that the Mosaic Law provides the basis for the Levitical priesthood, but for the new priesthood to take place, the order of Melchizedek, a change of the law is required (Hebrews 7:18-22). Again, we learn this from Paul in 2 Corinthians 3:4-11. In this passage, Paul specifically refers to the Decalogue by saying the commandments written in stone have come to an end (v. 11).
I wrote a study on how all 10 were present prior to Sinai. With the Sabbath being the first.
God is The God of specificity , for example; the story of Abel and Cain. Another example is in Genesis, the tree of good and evil. I think God could not have made the Sabbath holy if it wasn't important. Now , did God make it holy for Himself or for man?
Isaiah 66:23 and Isaiah 65:17 actually speaking in metaphoric terms about Christians in the church after the cross and before resurrection.
Both passages speak of a new heavens and a new earth that represent the church. The new heavens and earth of Isaiah 65 & 66 are different from the New heavens and New earth spoken of in the New Testament. Sabbatarians see the expression "New heavens and new earth" Isaiah 65:17; 66:22 and assume it is post resurrection heaven. This is their primary error, and I can prove it!
This was very interesting and great to listen to. I definitely learned more. Pastor Doug, could you do more of these videos where you just take peoples questions and answer them. I feel like they are so helpful.
I also loved at the end how you said psalms 40:8 says: I desire to do your will, my God; your law is within my heart.
It’s interesting because I looked up 1 John 2:17 and it says: The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.
So It’s clear that we must be obedient to God, and love him and not simply make a profession of faith and continue to live like the world. Have a form of godliness but deny His power, or claim to know him but deny him by the way that we live.
I love all your videos brother. May God bless you and your family in Jesus name.
I would even say Mr Steve may have even blasphemed by trying to say Jesus broke the sabbath that is just what the pharisees tried to say He did but he did good on sabbath
Would you be willing to debate Dr. Kent Hovind on this subject If so please call Dr Dino at Dinosaur Adventure land Lennox AL. I would love to hear this debate
Before the commandments were given at Mt. Sinai the Israelites were to gather manna daily and only for the day or it would go bad. On the sixth day they were to gather a double portion so that they could rest on the seventh day and the manna would not go bad. We are all Israelites not just the Jewish nation. May we not harden our hearts to the truth.
Thank you both very much for further teaching of Sabbath Truth I was wondering Pastor Doug if you could say a few words concerning the Sabbath debate that Jim Stanley gave I thought it was spot on and well presented
Karen I have to say this you look marvelous
I couldn't believe Steve said that Jesus broke the sabbath. I couldn't believe he said that😮😮😮
The popular view today is that the Ten Commandments don't apply under the new covenant. If correct, there should be zero positive New Testament references about the Ten. However, there are many such positive references. Consider this: end time believers are described as those who "keep the commandments" (Rev 14: 12) at a time just before the return of Jesus (verse 14). The commandments (entolas) referred to are the Ten Commandments because entolas also appears in Jesus' discussion with the rich young ruler in Matt 19:17-19. Entolas is also used in Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20; John 14:15, 21; 15:10; 1 John 2:3, 4; 1 John 3:22, 24; 5:2,3; 2 John 1:6; Rev 12:17. Therefore any negative Scripture about law is about reliance on law as a means to righteousness - the Pharisee's way to salvation. Paul railed against this approach in all his epistles while at the same time preserving the law (see Rom 2:13; 3:31; 7:12, 14; 8:7; 1 Cor 7:19; Eph 6:1-2). It will surprise many that the new covenant promise was actually given to old covenant Israelites. Jeremiah 31:31-34 is emphatic that the experience of forgiveness of sins results in the writing of God’s law in the hearts of the faithful - and the context applies this promise to a time when Israel would return from foreign captivity, not some future time after Christ's cross. Lastly, in new covenant times John sees the “ark of His testament” or the tablets of the10 Commandments in heaven (Rev 11:19). This is impossible if they were abolished. Trashing the Ten on earth when they're revered in heaven puts us on the side of Satan who hates the Ten Commandments - see Rev 12: 9, 17.
Just have a question if the Sabbath his part of the Ten Commandments and the Bible says the will not to commit adultery why not to steal honor father and mother we can't take God's name in vain and also keep the Sabbath wouldn't that mean that those that break that law would die lost then that would mean did everyone it doesn't keep the Sabbath is lost unless God makes an excuse and it's other churches break the Commandments
The Christian lives by the Law of Christ (Law of the Spirit) - We are not under the Mosaic Covenant; therefore, we are not obligated to keep the laws of the Mosaic Covenant. Insofar as we love God and love our neighbor, we keep the law of God in the New Covenant. We uphold the law by faith (Romans 3:31) and by love (Romans 13:8). We are under the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2) and the Law of the Spirit of Life (Romans 8:2). There is confusion with the Law of Christ and the Law of Moses because they have similar commandments. But, because nine of the Ten Commandments can be found in the New Testament, it does not mean that the Law of Moses is still in effect. If a Christian steals, they break the law of Christ, not the Law of Moses. If we choose to keep part of the law (for example, dietary laws), we are free to do so, but keeping the Law of Moses is neither commanded or expected. To keep part of the Mosaic Law out of the belief that we are obligated to do so is to not have trust in the perfect and complete work of Christ.
God did not Rested in order for Him to be Worshipped that Day.
Its hard to teach someone whos trying to teach you, the best we can do is just plant the seed and pray.. Gods in control ...
Matthew 5:31 “Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce [Deuteronomy 24:1-4; Matthew 5:17-20; Hebrews 7:11].’ 32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery [Matthew 19:9; Hebrews 7:12; Hebrews 8; Jeremiah 31:31-34]."
Matthew 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor [Leviticus 19:18; Matthew 22:39; Matthew 5:17-20] and hate your enemy [Deuteronomy 23:3-6; Judges 3:28; Matthew 5:17-20].’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies [John 13:34; John 15:12; Hebrews 7-8; Jeremiah 31:31-34], bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust."
John 15:10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love [Matthew 5:44; John 13:34], just as I have kept My Father’s commandments [Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18; Matthew 22:37-38] and abide in His love ."
Luke 5:36 Then He spoke a parable [Psalm 78:2; Ezekiel 17:2] to them: “No one puts a piece from a new garment on an old one [Deuteronomy 4:2; Deuteronomy 12:32; Proverbs 30:6]; otherwise the new makes a tear [Matthew 27:50-51; Mark 15:37-38; Luke 23:45-46], and also the piece that was taken out of the new does not match the old [Matthew 5:31,43]. 37 And no one puts new wine into old wineskins [2 Corinthians 3:14-15; Hebrews 8:13]; or else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined. 38 But new wine [Matthew 5:32,44] must be put into new wineskins [Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8], and both are preserved. 39 And no one, having drunk old wine, immediately desires new; for he says, ‘The old [2 Corinthians 3:14-15; Hebrews 8:13] is good [Romans 7:12; 1 Timothy 1:8].’ ”
In fact some of the monthly Sabbaths pointed to the SECOND coming. And could still be observed. And some adventist scollaers agree with this.
That is way colossians says "signs of things THAT ARE TO COME"
This would support pastor Bachelor in the debate. But I guess he is not aware of this.
He should read Samuel Bachiocchi books on the feats
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I think that guy Steve felt like losing his debate and some of some followers..that's why he had to go behind your back
I hope revelation is understood and debated...😟
Steve is saying we don't have to keep any law or under grace, but we we abide the moral laws because we love Jesus. No, the commandments were givand they were wrote with the finger of God. The laws of ordinances were written by moasis. There's a big big difference.
I not only hate wearing ties I hate wearing suits I can’t be like you and wear it for a positive reception
At least she doesn't have to tell you to find the x on the floor.
Dr. Kent Hovind says it's just for Israel he has a very look large following would you be be willing to debate him on this topic?
@Mark Rainey Doug Botchalie will never go up against someone like Hovind, Doug doesn't like debating intellectuals on Hovind's level.
I'd love to see a debate with Doug Botchalie vs any one of these theologians;
Don Carson, John Lennox, Ravi Zacharius, Frank Turek, Mark D. Thompson, Kevin Hovind, Gary Inrig....and Dale Ratzlaff....and Elce Lauriston
@@LoCoWi Pastor Doug is very smart and can hold his own against anyone since he is telling the truth
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With all respect for Mr Hovind, he believes it's okay to take the mark of the beast and that is enough said...
Let's not talk about Ravi Zacharias now?
Nevertheless I do hold a lot of these men as my fellow brothers and Saints.
But with respect to brother Doug Batchelor he is right about the Sabbath.
The Mosaic Covenant is made with Israel and not with the church - The Mosaic Covenant is a conditional covenant and not an unconditional covenant (Exodus 24:1-11). Because it is conditional, it can be broken and annulled. Unconditional covenants, in comparison, are not broken. God makes them and fulfilled by God without condition. The Mosaic Covenant is a conditional covenant made with Israel and not with the church. The Mosaic Covenant involves the 613 ‘Mitzvoth’ laws (blessings for obedience and curses for disobedience). The law of commandments and ordinances served as a wall (Ephesians 2:14-15) to separate the Israelites from the Gentiles. The Gentiles did not participate in the covenants of promise but were separated. Hebrews 8:13 renders the Mosaic Covenant as obsolete (the word for obsolete is the same Greek word used by Jesus in Mark 2:20-21 when He says not to sew old cloth on new).
I read in one of the comments that Steve How did debate the next day or not? A debate that talked the next day and call the seven day event as an Cult Chief shot, but we should be rejoicing because it says the devil will be rough. We have the truth the seven day
have the truth and we keep all the commandments We don't cherry pick like he dyes. Actually, he doesn't do any of it. He worships every day of the week which we should do. But I think he's still confused. It's not funny he scriptsured twists steve is a twister And that's not good. I thought he was a respectable guy until I heard that what he did the next day. And I think that's pretty low and cheap right on pastor Doug. He it a great job. God bless you
Doug claims that the Westminster Confession of Faith upholds his position re: The Sabbath but this is simply not true. The WCOF affirms the position that Steve Gregg holds re: the Sabbath. In Chapter 21 sect.7 the Faith says. " God hath appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath to be kept Holy unto him. Which from the beginning of the world to the Resurrection of Christ was the last day of the week, and from the Resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week. Gen 2: 2,3 1Cor 16: 1,2 Acts 20: 7 Which, in Scripture is called the Lords Day, Rev.1v10 and is to be continued until the End of the World, as the Christian Sabbath Exodus 20: 8, 10 Matt 5: 17,18
I think he was trying to state that the Westminister Confession agreed that the Sabbath came from the beginning of the world, not Exodus.
@@NotMJ Maybe that was what he was alluding to. But under our N T covenant which replaces the Old under the law covenant, Christ is our Sabb. rest. The emphasis of the Sabb has changed to the first day of the week. Acts 20: 7. After all, Jesus Christ, the Creator of all of the Creation is infinitely Superior to the Creation it self. Just as the builder of the house is superior to the house itself.
Hebrews 7:12
About kindling fire.
Moses had a Theocracy. So it legislateed about absolutely every thing. Now we have the Sabbath and the 10 Comandaments AND THE LAW OF OUR GOVERNMENT.
So you find that your local sda church WILL NOT LEGISLATE on punishments for lighting a mach or not.
Remember the Israelites were told not to have a king.
Your wife needs a microphone. I can hardly hear her questions. Thank you so much
yes if you are taught from birth or creation as Adam and Eve your Father keeps the Sabbath of course His children would also keep it and they spoke to God personally
So Hebrews 10 calls the law written in the hearts shadows of Good things to come?
How can you A: not keep New Moons? B: say Isaiah 66 is only referring to the weekly Sabbath but then turn around and say Colossians 2 wasn't? SMH! Paul is not separating he did all Holy days were mere shadows.....And as their CUSTOM was is NOT inferring that we are required.....Both Jesus & Paul were Jewish, dah! Of course their custom was on the Sabbath to gather in the Synagogue...Gentiles could too but they were never required to. I don't see how that argument or contention is saying weekly Sabbath keeping is mandatory Jew or Gentile....Synagogue isn't just a gathering....it's a gathering of Jews not Christians. We are the church and we are literally the body of Christ....if Jesus is our Lord, and He gave us the Sabbath, then by faith daily we are keeping it! You still are too blind, still focused on a physical day, the literal letter which kills, which is why Adventism is dead spiritually! You do not believe, thus because you do not believe, you have to resort to your flesh hoping you'll be good enough to pass the Investigative Judgment which again is another of the far too many spiritually dead lies of the Seventh Day Adventist Cult! Quit doubting God! Believe and receive and then you'll see clearly and then you'll know the truth and have freedom in Christ
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Why was Satan Chased from Heaven? Why was Adam chased from Eden?
Steve needs a lot of prayer
Steve accused Doug of scripture twisting when he was the one that was doing. He needs prayer
Your position does not hold up Doug.
If you apply the letter of the 4th Commandment to Christ saying "Whoever says they love me and keepeth not my commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him.", then you are
calling all non 7th Day Sabbath keeping Christians liars and lost souls.
I know that is not what you profess, publicly anyway, so you are not being consistent.
I have heard you and other Adventists take the position that it only applies to those who have gotten a clear explanation and understanding of the Sabbath and reject it, supposedly a choice all will get in the Tribulation period.
The problem with that is, that the doctrinal claim of the Sabbath being the seal of God and that Sunday keeping will become the globally enforceable Mark of the Beast, are not biblically sound doctrines and take too much stretching of scripture and doubtful analogies to be true.
You must worship on a Sunday. Why's it called the Lord's day? What Lord? And why did God call himself the Lord of the Sabbath? Did he also unbless the Sabbath day? 🌚
@@Lola-uf2ks No. I do not make Sunday my Sabbath or a special day of worship.
My point is that salvation does not depend on keeping the letter of the 4th Commandment but its spirit.
43:57 Daniel talks about a power that seeks to "change the set times and the Law" (7:25), although it doesn't directly reference the Sabbath or the first day of the week. But Hosea does not prophesy about it as far as I know.
The devil has used Sabbath and Circumcision to accuse the Lord and his people