Leeds to Liverpool - is the Class 185 TPE's hidden gem?
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- I'm off to sample the delights of Liverpool Lime Street station. But first, I've got to get there from Leeds. Transpennine Express give three of their four types of trains the "Nova" moniker, but there's no such naming for the lowly Class 185s. Well I think that is a bit of a shame, because these Siemens Desiro-based units are pretty comfortable for regional journeys.
Oh, and between Manchester and Liverpool there's a chance to track the route of the world's first inter-city railway as trains still follow the route of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway from 1830!
Departure: Leeds, England, UK
Destination: Liverpool Lime Street, England, UK
Distance: 120 km / 74.5 miles
Duration: 1 hr 31 mins
Average speed: 79 km/h 49 mph
Cost: Standard class advance single: £12.85 / €14,80 inc 1/3 railcard discount
Date of Travel: September 2023
Operator: northern
Motive power: 2 x Class 185 3-car diesel multiple units. Built: Siemens, Germany (2005-2006)
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Great video as always! I really like the 185s (if they arrive!) - I think it sets the standard for what DMUs like the 170s, 158s, 168s etc should be like. Hopefully the class 168 refurbishment is like this! I do think the 185s are the best in TPEs fleet for passenger experience (Although I have a general grudge for the 80Xs so maybe I'm being biased, and haven't been on the Mk5s and 68s)
The 68s that tpe are getting rid in December so ya gotta be quick
@@LemoncloudGT yep I know! I've been on Chiltern 68 sets which are amazing, the toe mk5as don't look all that great tbf from what I've seen
I travelled that line in 2018, so the same great scenery but a much older train.
A day return from Scarborough to Liverpool. Coast to coast, just to say I'd done it. It was going to be a long trek, but the guy in booking office offered me split ticketing, and being able to break the journey at Leeds and Manchester for a leg-stretch and a bite to eat made all the difference.
BTW. If you're interested, there's a couple of YT videos of the demolition of Lime Street. A good few years back, and I don't know if it included the station, but I thought I'd flag it up.
I have a ride on the 68/Mk5 from TPE on the channel. Very nice trip, as I was in 1st!
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I enjoyed my ride on tbe TPE mk5s. That video is on the channel. But I'm envious of your Chiltern run as I've not yet had the pleasure.... maybe soon 🤷♂️
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I started work at Leeds City station in June 1952. One lunchtime, in the run up to Christmas that year, I watched workmen putting up a Christmas tree in that first concourse that you showed. They braced a rope agains one of the large ribs, and it went through.They are only covers for steel girders that actually hold the roof up.
Oh very interesting indeed. So just there for style! Mind you, it is good style.
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Another great video 😊. I remember when the 185,s were brand new. Gosh I'm showing my age now 😂
Haha let's not worry about showing our age... I think my love for Class 37s scuppered me on that one already.
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Classic route for sure! Thanks for sharing another great video.
Indeed it is. Thanks for watching too 👍
I did a 185 trip from Man Picc to Doncaster with work and later that day a Class180 and then 455 from Donny to London then Esher.
Got 1sr class cheaper than standard on TPE, really enjoyed it and was chilled when I got to Donny. Best train of the day.
Also used one Leeds to Lime St after Durham Miners Gala better than a lot of the tat thrown out (Southern springs to mind)
Yes, that little 1st class section on the 185 did really look very comfortable. And always nice when the 1st class is cheaper!
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If you had looked out of the window on the left, just before Newton-le-Willows, on the trackside there is a memorial to William Huskisson MP who was killed after he was knocked down by Stephenson's Rocket in 1830 at that location.
The sidings by Edge Hill station are Tuebrook sidings.
Thanks for that. I recall the story of Huskisson and would have made an interesting addition to the travelogue. Maybe next time...
Thanks for the extra information. Do keep it coming. I'm always pleased to hear more about the journeys I've recorded 👍
Your videos are consistently good. Interesting visually and also informative. I have to stop myself taking it all for granted and give you a well done!
Thanks Colin. But you don't have to worry. You've been here from the start, so I don't expect plaudits every time. Your consistent encouragement has helped to get me over the 5000 subs. Thank you. 👍
Another excellent video. We so enjoy following your channel and your journeys. Liverpool Lime Street really is lovely.
Yes I enjoyed mooching about Lime Street on such a lovely day. Next video, we'll be off to Scotland!
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Compared to the 195s the 185s are a far superior train. I have to use the 195s often and when they were getting built I honestly thought they would be better than the 185s.......how wrong was I!
Great video.
Maybe it is the Siemens/CAF difference? I tend to prefer Siemens trains over CAF.
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Nice trip and a great video, do love the Art Deco that Leeds has, nice sunny day as well
Haha yes! I got so much rain on that trip on the NW Ranger it was lovely to get one nice day!
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Brilliant video as always!! Hope all is well, take care and have a great weekend. Looking forward to viewing future videos
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Oh, and I'm looking forward to making those future videos, so I think we have a deal 👍
@@JohnnyHooverTravels totally!! I'm hoping to change my life in the next 12 months so maybe making my own videos for RUclips
@@peterdnreynolds777 ooo... I'm up for watching them 👍
Very pleasant and informative video, keep up the good work.
Thank you. Very kind of you. I shall keep on trying 😀
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Great video, cracking run, love the views along the route..
Thank Walter! Next week's vid will feature some nice views of the Moray Firth 😁
185s are having a refresh soon according to TPE . Wonderful video
Oh. That will be interesting. I look forward to that!
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Just found you on you tube. Cracking vids very informative, good narration as well compared to a lot on here, well done!
Whoa thank you so much for the high praise! You are very kind.
Lots of back catalogue for you to catch up on, there's even a playlist of every trip in chronological order if you fancy a challenge 😉
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Great video as always, you definitely got a result having 2 units, when it's a single unit it's a bit cosy. Someone needs to capture on the video the Huddersfield station cats to really make it unique. Given your (and mine) enjoyment of ale you need a break of journey at Stalybridge Buffet Bar. Keep the UK videos coming.
I have had a liquid lunch at Stalybridge in the past and yea, it is great.
I remark that I must return to Huddersfield to ride the Penistone line. I really must remember to ask after the cats when I'm passing there again. Good shout 👍
And yes, others have said I may have taken a different view if only one set had turned up.
It is always a pleasure watching your vlogs Johnny and i'm already looking forward to the next one, will it be Liverpool to Exmouth????????
Thanks! And no... that was a very late train home. Much of it in the dark, so it wouldn't really have worked.
Next week's video, I'm off to Inverness for some fun in Scotland!
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I’ve been on the TransPennine Express Class 185 and they are quite nice comfortable trains with comfortable seats.
As always a very good video
I just want to go back to UK for repeat my mad inter rail I did for almost thirty years ago
Looking forward for next video
Thank you. We are all still here waiting for you to return! 😃
Next video, I will be going train-bus-plane-train from Exeter to Inverness!
That will be a long journey
If you take Northern service to Chester, Manchester Vic, Blackpool North, and also Liverpool they will stop at Halifax, New Pudsey, and Bradford Interchange
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Siemens who built the Class 185 Desiro for TransPennine Express are one of the best trains used in Northern England. And Siemens could have manufactured more of the Desiro DMUs for Northern, South Western Railway, ScotRail and Great Western Railway.
Indeed they could. But maybe it was down to cost or availability 🤷♂️
A 185 a hidden gem?A hidden gem if you like over crowded ,under gunned trains! Although recently many have been doubled up but as single units the 185 is hopeless, effectively 2 and a 1/2 carriages when you exclude First Class and other spaces on them.
Had the misfortune to travel on one of the 3 car units. It was rammed and incredibly hot and sweaty. May have been better with 6 cars.
At one stage, Edge Hill to Lime Street was one continuous tunnel, but it was opened out into its present form in the late nineteenth century.
Might be wise for them to just remove first class and run full standard class.
@@mattevans4377 It is high time that the railways stopped using the term "Standard Class." It is meaningless. The dictionary defines standard as a criterion. Space prevents me from elaborating further, but is clear from BR and its successors that it has two different standards, one for first class and one for second. It would be better if the old names of first and second were restored, or they should be renamed standard and bog-standard respectively. I believe that the term "Standard Class" originated with CIE.
@@andrewtaylor5984 Regardless, the trains would benefit in terms of capacity from a single class configuration, like the Lumo trains.
I use the 185s at least 10 times a year to visit family from Manchester to Hull and they are just great! The sound and seats are great and window alignment is pretty decent for the most part. My only dislike is the lack of first class amenities i.e drinks or snacks on the route. that being said I had the choice of an 8 pound standard ticket or a 12 pound one so it was simply to hard to resist, yet the first class seats didn't warrant the extra 4 pound as there was no complimentary food on a 2 hour journey, despite being the only first class passenger at the time.
Yes, I would definitely fork out another £4 for the 1st class. Those 1st class seats are lovely and, it would appear, rarely used!
I'm always ok with 1st class not having extras if it is reflected in the price. For example, a recent trip on the channel from Waterloo to Exeter with SWR was effectively in the same or lower price band than 2nd class on the competing GWR route, so I was happy with no frills. Likewise SNCF have always priced their 1st class closer to 2nd on TGV, but all you get is the nicer/bigger seat.
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@@JohnnyHooverTravels I guess that is fair point that's why AWC or similar TOCs price their first class so high as a value for money sort of thing. Anyways the video is great amongst many on your channel and looking forward to what is to come.
Very good 👍🏻
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Shame you seem to have gone through on one of my rest days. Would’ve been quite excited to see you on the platform. I Womble TPE trains at Lime St
Haha. I don't think anybody is excited too see me! But it would have been lovely to say "hi".
Is that autocorrect or is "womble" something. I've never heard the term!
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@@JohnnyHooverTravels I’m part of the train presentation team. We clean, prepare and reserve the trains. I call myself a train Womble, as I pick up other people’s litter…a la Wombles of Wimbledon. Haha
@@karengillett4448 makes perfect sense!
Do like the 185s
Me too... as long as it isn't a 3-car set coming in after the previous train was cancelled!
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@@JohnnyHooverTravels yeh its not good at the mo with that, not sure how taking the cl 68/mk5 stock out of service will improve things
and some small stations
Leeds great station it’s the one I go to all the time and I think the far south platforms are pretty forgotten to be honest and if u ever go train spotting there go to the 2and floor it’s great at the big window u can see All trains arriving and departing and btw please gimme shout out and great vids as always 😃😃😃😃
Yes, I've spent a lot of time up there watching the trains as I worked in Leeds many many times over the years.
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Lea Green? Aren't there Greater Anglia services there?
By the way, it's a wonderful video like always
Haha! That's Lea Bridge isn't it 🤣
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What is the train on the right at 2:03?🤔 Besides this - great video and wonderful channel. 😀
It is a Class 333 EMU built by CAF
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_333
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185 are nice but on the Cleethorpes to liverpool line not so fun when it only a 3 car unit and pack in like a tin of fish
Yes, others have said too. I was lucky with the 2x3car formation.
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Why is TPE getting rid of the 68s?
officially noise and cracks in the mk5s, unofficially costs
People bitching about how they're loud
@@Danse_Macabre_125 I personally love the sound, but I guess non-enthusiasts don't share this appreciation.
@@vchukwuma same, I get DRS ones through my local station sometimes and I love them