Great insights, great ‘70s photo of your dad. I have a 964 and the first thing I did was to replace the aftermarket radio with the Porsche Classic Communications Module… no battery drain issues, and looks great. Also had the usual rear lens issues, so replaced those and it looks amazing. 68,000 miles on mine and it’s running like new. Classic 911 looks and experience without the classic inconvenience.
Do you know if the car had to be "resealed" I never owned one long enough to find out and I'm just getting back into Porsche's with a 996. ( Sacrilege, I know ;))
You're fortunate to have the perfect color combo and such a perfectly maintained 964. IMO the 964 is the most beautiful shape and styling of the air cooled 911s. Other than it being the last air cooled 911, I really don't understand all the hype around the 993 right now.
964 and 993 are the best 911's ever made. Looks wise I like 964 front but the rear is pretty underwhelming whereas 993 ass is perfect. But both still amazing lookers and the pinnacle of 911. I wish I had them both. Cheers.
Just found you and subscribed right away. Enjoy the time with your dad when you can, like in this video. FOUR BOYS!! Thanks for making me smile. Your dad reminds me a bit of my dad. I'm guessing he's an engineer? Now I get to tell ;) I bought my 1st 1990 964 in 1996. It had 18,000 miles and I was able to afford the $37,900 price tag ($66K on the sticker). Like many homeowners say, "I don't know if I could afford it now" Your dad's car reminds me of an Oak Green 964 that I missed out on, in around the same time. I can't wait to see the rest of your videos! Great Job!! I got my love for German cars visiting my Mother's side in Bremen Germany. I have a feeling you have a "Germany Connection" somewhere? ;)
Great video. The 964 is a cool platform for sure and I love the enthusiasm. For me, though, after owning one for a year I really thought it was way overvalued for the ownership experience it actually delivers. I sold mine and bought an early 911 hot rod and haven’t looked back.
First of all, it is a real honor to have you watch my video. I'm a huge fan of your content! Thanks for taking the time. I tend to agree that it is a great car but may be overvalued in comparison to other 911s but I think it all depends on what you want from an "old" 911. For example, for my Dad, this is perfect. For me, I really love the raw feel of the G-body cars. I used to think I wanted a G50 but now I really don't prefer it. I do think the looks of the 964s are awesome though!
964s are pricy, in part because they’re scarce, but also because they’re one of the few classic sports cars that are generally reliable, comfortable enough, and satisfying to drive. If I had a 10-car collection, I think I’d go with more vintage stuff like a 356, but what I like about the 964 is that when I go out to the garage I’m not forced to choose between classic rush or modern conveniences. The PCCM upgrade is enough, and you can take it out for a dinner date after a Sunday mountain drive. So, meets the needs for a lot of us.
@rennthusiast come on, let’s be real, your “love” for the 964 soured almost immediately due to the amount of cash you instantly had to dump into it to make it right. We’ve all been there and no matter the car, the easiest way to NOT bond with a car is for it to be a basket case out of the gate. But if we drive a classic the minute we get it for say 6-12 months and it never lets us down, we are hooked. That same car can then die on you and you’ll dump $$$ into it and not care because it’s your baby and you want to treat it right. That didn’t happen w/ your 964, so I get why you’re not a fan. When I started seeing all the issues you had w/ that AG 964 I instantly said, “He’s going to sell it as soon as it’s sorted. Gotta fix those major issues before selling, but once completed, it’s on the chopping block.” I laugh because I too have been in that exact same position and the minute you decide the passion is gone, the car is toast. All that said, I’ve owned a ‘72, ‘79, (2) ‘87, ‘87 930, ‘93 C2 & ‘97 993 (all coupes of course) and I’ll admit the C2 964 (also in AG over tan) is the BEST 911 I’ve ever owned. The 993 was amazing, but as much as I tried to fall in love w/ the styling, that front end just looked too modern (almost water cooled) to me, and it drove too civilized/modern…so had to go back to the classic “bug eyes”. The 964 was raw enough to feel like my ‘87 G50’s, but the subtle upgrade of 3.6 & pwr steering made it so much more manageable to drive kids around school & sports parking lots. I’m now a 964 fan for life and will have trouble going back to older 911’s.
I have a cashmere beige interior in my 92 Turbo, but in a different combination - all the carpeted items (mats, tunnel, rear seat backs, door pockets etc) are black, with the leather door cards, seats, rear quarter trim etc being in cashmere. It's a nice combination that makes it a bit less stark than the typical all-black interior.
Fellow 3.2 owner here. I've got an 89 Anniversary in Silver. I never was a huge fan of the 964s strictly from an exterior design standpoint. It looked bloated to me. I think you're a little older than me but when I think 80's and 80's cars the G-bodies are definitely THE car compared to the 964s. Thanks for the review, your father is a great Porsche custodian.
Totally agree. 80s is owned by the 3.2 as an 80s icon. My license plate says "SOO 80S" =). Lots to love about the 964. Good thing is you can't go wrong with a 911 of any era.
Perspective of a 964 C2 owner: 964 is better than G-models in every way - better engine, better chassis, better safety features, best sound of all air-cooled 911s when fitted with a cup-pipe instead of the middle silencer. I'd rather have all that and a "bloated" exterior than an agricultural G-model ...
@@CM-lj8me no question the 964 is better in almost every way from a mechanical and functional standpoint. Some of my small preferences for 3.2 were simply looks-based (dash, steering wheel, non-power steering for vintage feel). I'm a HUGE 964 fan. Don't get me wrong. =)
Yeah, but I used to love the looks of my neighbors, as I slowly pulled in the driveway and began lowering the spoiler! If I had a audio clip of a truck releasing air from the brakes as it went down would have totally been the pinnacle!!
993 is the best of the old school Aircooled and 997 is the best of the new school water cooled. The best built 911 overall is the 1988/89 G bodied 911. Period! Had no problems like the 964 with the head gasket issues oil leaks or in the case of the 993 heat shield issues or door hinge issues some 993s had. So in summary the best 911 bar non is the G bodied last year production car, not a fault to list and built like a Patek Philip Swiss watch. The popularity with the 964 is down to supply and demand caused by back dates by companies like Singer or Theon and a plethoras of tuners breaking 964 and backdating them, and nothing to do with better build or feel over the older Aircooled or last year production 993’s. The interior between 964/993 are pretty much same, front end is purely down to taste, headlights are okay at best, rear end is equally down to taste. Suspension advanced on 993 vs old tech in 964 which demands more which also is down to taste. Overall it’s all very subjective. 997 is too distilled with Gen 2 and too quiet in the DFI car albeit more so terrible tire noise being a major pain but better build interior switches and pcm, visceral experience is better with the Gen 1 997 still with tire noise but indoor switches were lesser quality and prone to fading PCM was also so so. A base c2 was sweet though compared to c2s. Gen 2 was too distilled for me. Just putting this out there so subjective feelings are not conflated as facts. Get the 88/89 and you are good if the best overall is your intentions! 🙏🏿
@@dr.kylestanley yeah most gloss over it because they don’t buy them and experience. I own a 991.2 touring, gt4 RS, 964 c4 and a couple 996.1’s. I’m here to tell you they are simply amazing. I’ve have owned 997’s also. Like you said, not a bad 911 made but many do discount the 996. Which is one of the reasons I bought them
@@MW-uy3np Wow what a collection! Someone like you really knows the nuances of every generation. I've always loved the look of the 996 tt (those front scoops) although I usually tend to steer away from turbo engines. 996 is on my list to drive! Hopefully one of my buddies will let me make a video about theirs =)
@@dr.kylestanley The early build 996's are the best. Best materials were used. Built alongside the 993's. I have a March 1998 build car. It's sooooo good. I tend to like 996.1's but the 996.2's feel similar but just with more ooomph. Cheers and I'll be watching. Thanks for the content.
the styling is the best, they should re-design the new 911s with this retro design
Great insights, great ‘70s photo of your dad. I have a 964 and the first thing I did was to replace the aftermarket radio with the Porsche Classic Communications Module… no battery drain issues, and looks great. Also had the usual rear lens issues, so replaced those and it looks amazing. 68,000 miles on mine and it’s running like new. Classic 911 looks and experience without the classic inconvenience.
Great to hear!! Thanks for watching. They are amazing cars.
Do you know if the car had to be "resealed" I never owned one long enough to find out and I'm just getting back into Porsche's with a 996. ( Sacrilege, I know ;))
You're fortunate to have the perfect color combo and such a perfectly maintained 964. IMO the 964 is the most beautiful shape and styling of the air cooled 911s. Other than it being the last air cooled 911, I really don't understand all the hype around the 993 right now.
The 993s drive really nice but I prefer the classic 911 shape of the 964
I'll have to start researching the 964 911 Porches...
I’m on that same journey just as of this week! What did you decide after your all research?
1989 also came in Forest Green..fyi ..great video though, amazing!
I saw an Oak green one too on Long Island. Owner claimed it was factory.
Really appreciate all the detail you put in there. Hey, your dad wears the white horns in his ears too!
haha. I forced him to do that for the sake of better audio but it didn't work since I'm new to making videos =)
Good review , the 964 is bullet proof, 340000 miles on mine .
That is amazing! I love hearing people who actually drive it. What year and color?
Saw a video of a 964 RS in Singapore with over 570,00 Km on it. Unbelievable.
WOW! AMAZING!! Do a video on how to keep them running!
964 and 993 are the best 911's ever made. Looks wise I like 964 front but the rear is pretty underwhelming whereas 993 ass is perfect. But both still amazing lookers and the pinnacle of 911. I wish I had them both. Cheers.
Just found you and subscribed right away. Enjoy the time with your dad when you can, like in this video. FOUR BOYS!! Thanks for making me smile. Your dad reminds me a bit of my dad. I'm guessing he's an engineer?
Now I get to tell ;) I bought my 1st 1990 964 in 1996. It had 18,000 miles and I was able to afford the $37,900 price tag ($66K on the sticker). Like many homeowners say, "I don't know if I could afford it now" Your dad's car reminds me of an Oak Green 964 that I missed out on, in around the same time.
I can't wait to see the rest of your videos! Great Job!!
I got my love for German cars visiting my Mother's side in Bremen Germany. I have a feeling you have a "Germany Connection" somewhere? ;)
Thanks! He's a dentist so kind of an engineer of the mouth =). It is fun to share a passion and profession with you dad!
@@dr.kylestanley Ahh, you followed in his footsteps! Enjoy and thanks!
Great video. The 964 is a cool platform for sure and I love the enthusiasm. For me, though, after owning one for a year I really thought it was way overvalued for the ownership experience it actually delivers. I sold mine and bought an early 911 hot rod and haven’t looked back.
First of all, it is a real honor to have you watch my video. I'm a huge fan of your content! Thanks for taking the time. I tend to agree that it is a great car but may be overvalued in comparison to other 911s but I think it all depends on what you want from an "old" 911. For example, for my Dad, this is perfect. For me, I really love the raw feel of the G-body cars. I used to think I wanted a G50 but now I really don't prefer it. I do think the looks of the 964s are awesome though!
@@dr.kylestanley thanks for the compliment. Glad you’ve enjoyed the vids.
964s are pricy, in part because they’re scarce, but also because they’re one of the few classic sports cars that are generally reliable, comfortable enough, and satisfying to drive. If I had a 10-car collection, I think I’d go with more vintage stuff like a 356, but what I like about the 964 is that when I go out to the garage I’m not forced to choose between classic rush or modern conveniences. The PCCM upgrade is enough, and you can take it out for a dinner date after a Sunday mountain drive. So, meets the needs for a lot of us.
@@jonwarshawsky5288 vintage cars have to start every time and be reliable to keep the fun alive and classic 911s are exactly that!
@rennthusiast come on, let’s be real, your “love” for the 964 soured almost immediately due to the amount of cash you instantly had to dump into it to make it right. We’ve all been there and no matter the car, the easiest way to NOT bond with a car is for it to be a basket case out of the gate.
But if we drive a classic the minute we get it for say 6-12 months and it never lets us down, we are hooked. That same car can then die on you and you’ll dump $$$ into it and not care because it’s your baby and you want to treat it right. That didn’t happen w/ your 964, so I get why you’re not a fan.
When I started seeing all the issues you had w/ that AG 964 I instantly said, “He’s going to sell it as soon as it’s sorted. Gotta fix those major issues before selling, but once completed, it’s on the chopping block.” I laugh because I too have been in that exact same position and the minute you decide the passion is gone, the car is toast.
All that said, I’ve owned a ‘72, ‘79, (2) ‘87, ‘87 930, ‘93 C2 & ‘97 993 (all coupes of course) and I’ll admit the C2 964 (also in AG over tan) is the BEST 911 I’ve ever owned. The 993 was amazing, but as much as I tried to fall in love w/ the styling, that front end just looked too modern (almost water cooled) to me, and it drove too civilized/modern…so had to go back to the classic “bug eyes”. The 964 was raw enough to feel like my ‘87 G50’s, but the subtle upgrade of 3.6 & pwr steering made it so much more manageable to drive kids around school & sports parking lots. I’m now a 964 fan for life and will have trouble going back to older 911’s.
Another great video! Papa Stanley what a stud! Looking forward to the next one!
Time to do a video with your Dad's Porsche too! Thanks for watching buddy
The interior is cashmere beige. Same as mine. Great looking car!
Oh good to know! I'll have to tell my Dad. Thanks for watching
I have a cashmere beige interior in my 92 Turbo, but in a different combination - all the carpeted items (mats, tunnel, rear seat backs, door pockets etc) are black, with the leather door cards, seats, rear quarter trim etc being in cashmere. It's a nice combination that makes it a bit less stark than the typical all-black interior.
Very informative. Thanks 🙏🏾
Glad you enjoyed it!
The low part of the crest should point to the tyre valve.
Fellow 3.2 owner here. I've got an 89 Anniversary in Silver. I never was a huge fan of the 964s strictly from an exterior design standpoint. It looked bloated to me. I think you're a little older than me but when I think 80's and 80's cars the G-bodies are definitely THE car compared to the 964s. Thanks for the review, your father is a great Porsche custodian.
Totally agree. 80s is owned by the 3.2 as an 80s icon. My license plate says "SOO 80S" =). Lots to love about the 964. Good thing is you can't go wrong with a 911 of any era.
Perspective of a 964 C2 owner: 964 is better than G-models in every way - better engine, better chassis, better safety features, best sound of all air-cooled 911s when fitted with a cup-pipe instead of the middle silencer. I'd rather have all that and a "bloated" exterior than an agricultural G-model ...
@@CM-lj8me Yeah ok. To me, 964s only look good when Singer or Gunther gets ahold of them. Good luck. Much prefer my tractor.
@@CM-lj8me no question the 964 is better in almost every way from a mechanical and functional standpoint. Some of my small preferences for 3.2 were simply looks-based (dash, steering wheel, non-power steering for vintage feel). I'm a HUGE 964 fan. Don't get me wrong. =)
Spoiler is less an 'option' for apearance sake and more an important aid to aerodynamic stability at 'high speed'.
You are right. The aesthetics of the wing is a polarizing topic for many enthusiasts which is why I mentioned that. Thanks for watching.
1989 Porche Carrera, the best Porche ever?
Yeah, but I used to love the looks of my neighbors, as I slowly pulled in the driveway and began lowering the spoiler! If I had a audio clip of a truck releasing air from the brakes as it went down would have totally been the pinnacle!!
@@anthonyridio5234 Ich Weiss nicht
Great review. Thanks.
Dr Kyle in the house!
Thanks for watching buddy! You are the king of 964s and 993s!!
beautiful years
Yes.
Love it my is exactly that color.
Interior and exterior with 84k mile on it
@@jitlothe346 You're a lucky person! Thanks for watching.
Well the 964 isn’t a 911, it’s a 964. So the G body was the best and last of the 911. 😉
993 is the best of the old school Aircooled and 997 is the best of the new school water cooled.
The best built 911 overall is the 1988/89 G bodied 911. Period! Had no problems like the 964 with the head gasket issues oil leaks or in the case of the 993 heat shield issues or door hinge issues some 993s had.
So in summary the best 911 bar non is the G bodied last year production car, not a fault to list and built like a Patek Philip Swiss watch.
The popularity with the 964 is down to supply and demand caused by back dates by companies like Singer or Theon and a plethoras of tuners breaking 964 and backdating them, and nothing to do with better build or feel over the older Aircooled or last year production 993’s. The interior between 964/993 are pretty much same, front end is purely down to taste, headlights are okay at best, rear end is equally down to taste. Suspension advanced on 993 vs old tech in 964 which demands more which also is down to taste. Overall it’s all very subjective. 997 is too distilled with Gen 2 and too quiet in the DFI car albeit more so terrible tire noise being a major pain but better build interior switches and pcm, visceral experience is better with the Gen 1 997 still with tire noise but indoor switches were lesser quality and prone to fading PCM was also so so. A base c2 was sweet though compared to c2s. Gen 2 was too distilled for me. Just putting this out there so subjective feelings are not conflated as facts. Get the 88/89 and you are good if the best overall is your intentions! 🙏🏿
The most sexy car ever made, this car definitely is a SHE.
Even more if you own a cabrio, take her for a topless trip.
I love the clean lines on the 964! Reminds of the yellowbird.
Yet another forgetting about he perfect in between classic and modern. The 996. Especially the 996.1
I really love the 996 as well (and really every 911) but I don't have driving experience with it, unfortunately.
@@dr.kylestanley yeah most gloss over it because they don’t buy them and experience. I own a 991.2 touring, gt4 RS, 964 c4 and a couple 996.1’s. I’m here to tell you they are simply amazing. I’ve have owned 997’s also. Like you said, not a bad 911 made but many do discount the 996. Which is one of the reasons I bought them
@@MW-uy3np Wow what a collection! Someone like you really knows the nuances of every generation. I've always loved the look of the 996 tt (those front scoops) although I usually tend to steer away from turbo engines. 996 is on my list to drive! Hopefully one of my buddies will let me make a video about theirs =)
@@dr.kylestanley The early build 996's are the best. Best materials were used. Built alongside the 993's. I have a March 1998 build car. It's sooooo good. I tend to like 996.1's but the 996.2's feel similar but just with more ooomph. Cheers and I'll be watching. Thanks for the content.
@@MW-uy3np THAT is the type of stuff I need to know when I do a 996 video! Thanks!
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