I cleared it with jiyan and mortefi team comp. Its tbh fine in my opinion. Took me quite a few tries, but after I got down the most optimal rotation and quickswap pathway I cleared it with 15s to spare. In my opinion, you don't actually need Zhezhi (for all the people with mortefi, build mortefi, have jiyan) to clear it.
Cleared 1st try with jinshi yuanwu verina, didn't even feel that different from last tower, so I'm kind of out of the loop what people are complaining about. Yet again my goat Yuanwu constantly keeps the buff up with reliable follow up attacks and lets me face tank damage thanks to the shield, too bad everyone forgot he exists.
Almost cleared it, just the middle tower left. I wanted to Danjin solo it but the Havoc res says otherwise. So right now i'm practicing Carlotta solo before going in.
I'm honeslty really tempted to build my Lingyang, cause he is my only Glacio damage dealer. I decided to skip Carlotta. Unfortunately i don't have Zhezhi either
@@ZerefCifer707 yes on your part. i have s2r1 camellya and s2 sk and still did it. and if u tried against crownless, he has innate havoc res so the stage buff adds havoc res to him. so use her on the second stage.
cleared it with the first ever limited, jiyan. don't need to feel pressured to pull for zhezhi or carlotta or whatever, just focus on improving your rotations and understand that some runs will just be unlucky (bad monster positioning, monster spamming moves that makes you reposition, etc), put on the time, maybe farm the new nightmare 4 cost if you need. the new tower is the hardest yet but still pretty balanced.
bruh this is fine, coming from an xly, Rover and Encore player, i do have changli(-Lumi) for middle tower. Is still average 3:40 clears. i only have s0 or s1s. edit : i do understand im a fairly sweaty player, but like cmon if u dont have 3 teams built up dont complain about toA. its still a very comfy clear once u built up, just wait till u build em... and practice ur rotations as well. 4 rotations is the standard(within 2 min), 3 rotations are enough to clear with decent investment. f2(middle tower) specifically will check ur rotation rather than dps. its actually kinda cool how they implemented it. f2 still only requires 3 rotations if ur doing it right, 4 rotations will still get u the clear.
Yes. Totally this. We need to accept that ToA, being end-game content engineered to favor the current limited banner character, we need to either go with the trend or strive for perfect rotations and finely tuned equipment and echoes. I have neither, so I'll accept I'll never 30/30 the ToA.
@ixirion ToA has always been a cash check. Skilled peoplebwith good builds could force rhey way through ibstead of swiping. But that is also still true right now.
What surprises me is that the ToA has always been pretty transparent in that it favors the limited resonator in the banner. And they are only now noticing it.
@lesath7883 people are just. Creating their own problems at this point instead of focusing on more important matters. We should be looking at bugs and some QoL that needs to made for immersion mode, boss mat farming, echoe exp farming, etc. This detracts from what we actually need to look at and have the dev fix.
@@lesath7883nah, both of you are just say bullshit. Before it was like: take 10% aero damage. + 30% to all kind of damage + use an charged attack(every single character) and get more damage 15 secs 10% havoc damage. + 30% to all kind of damage. + Use a basic attack and get more damage 10 secs(every single character can deal an bassic attack) Take 10 fire damage% + Take 30% damage increase + use an skill and get more damage 20 secs(every single dps deal an attack in his skill) Now enemies have res reduction(more damage increase than element%) and use this and get penalties(now characers get penalties by existing) +Use extra attacks(barely 5 characters have that and baizhu its not enough, so 4) and get skill damage 3 secs. (Barely 2 characters who deal skill damage have some kind of sinergy with someone who deal extra attack damage). its not even closer Or "people creating their own problems"? 😵💫😵💫😵💫
@destock1637 Oh, no. Kuro is the one that has created this problem. My argument is that ToA has not suddenly become awful and predatory. It has always been awful and predatory. You lot didn't notice it before.
Let's be real here. Kuro is selling Zhezhi in mid tower 2 here. We only have that many coordinated DPS here. Yinlin gets countered 100% in lvl.2; Yuanwu's team is crit farming; Mortefi needs solid build in Jiyan's team(at least lvl.80, static mist, S6) I know there are some players love Zhezhi by her design, but I ain't pulling her just because I can't get over ToA. If she has some nice skin (like collabing with Lamia in from Gray Raven) I will pull her. Until then I'm not buying the idea of "She's the meta and if you ain't pulling her, the remaining solution of ToA is unpleasant."
ToA has always been made to sell you the current banner character. The good thing is that if you built your previous resonators and sweat enough, you can still clear it. I don't. So I don't care I will never 30/30 it.
I cleared the hazard tower using Changli, Jinhsi, and Verina. It's a pain in the ass since it's not an optimal team but I can't use my other teams so I was forced to use them and I was barely able to complete the challenge. Personally, I'm not a fan of implementing stage debuffs as a form of providing difficulty in the game but regardless, I still love everything else about the update.
I already maxed the tower without a built Carlotta and a level 40 Zhezhi, but I have to say, it is in fact the hardest tower as of now. The middle tower restriction is just too annoying to get through for someone who has almost no frost character built. I hope Kuro realises this is not a good way to sell characters, I mean they already made Pincer (Also got all rewards without Carlotta or Zhezhi) so they can make another endgame mode where this restrictions can be done.
I totally disagree. The ToA has ALWAYS favored the limited resonators in the current banner. This time not favoring people who did not go for Carlotta is nothing new. Kuro did with this ToA what it has done for 6 months. If it was good last week, then it is good this one too.
@lesath7883 I'm not saying it's not, what I'm trying to say is that Kuro made the tower like this, for this patch because they want to sell Carlotta and Zhezhi hard....which in my opinion is not necessary. I know how the tower was before been completing it for a long time now, but this is the first time they've given us the restriction of resistance and a buff only for Co-ordinated attacks, so if you wanna get the buff you better use, Zhezhi (preferred), Yinlin (Not preferred) or Mortefi.
@botcchidotcchi true but it mostly helps Carlotta and Zhezhi, now this is coming from someone who already did the tower again, but maybe rather than restriction of elements and co ordinated attacks they can implement something different? I mean I can accept elemental resistances but the 2nd half of the buff can only be gained through some specific characters. That's all I'm trying to say.
@@darkfrost279 But isn't that the whole point of end game content, to use and test game mechanics like coordinate atk, no? I tested with non-limited characters; Encore/Sanhua/Verina, still easily clear the middle tower even without the buff. But yeah, I understand your opinion, basically you saying more universal game mechanic like dodge counter (from previous ToA), heavy atk, use skill or liberation
Its not powercreep really. Its just favoring Glacio and coordinated attacks because well current banners. Ironically if you have Carlotta+Zhezhi, its super easy. But yeah if you don't you might struggle a bit but that's how it goes. It will move on to other things after current banners ends, maybe will favor your current teams better.
@@ixirion Will always be some powercreep, in gacha games, because they need to make new units appealing for people to pull on them, the best way to do that is to make them do slightly better than what is otherwise in the game already. But of course if they don't increase the difficulty of the enemies also then eventually it would become way to easy. Don't think its that bad yet, you can still clear with 1.0 units in most cases, but eventually yes there will come a point where they will just no longer cut it.
4:42 Isn't Jinhsi better with Verina? Because of Jinhsi's enhanced outro, Verina's coordinated attacks from her liberation actually gives her forte a whole lot more charges, I understand that Shorekeeper gives a really nice crit buff, but I have been able to clear middle tower easily with the same team (Verina S0 instead of Shorekeeper) and S0 Zhezhi with String Master, it only took me 3 tries to beat the second stage while crownless only 1 try. I'm not saying this to diminish the concern about the difficulty, only to share my experience and the fact that I didn't feel the difference with the previous 2 ToAs
I'm gonna be honest I 1 shot every stage as usual 30/30, i didn't noticed anything strange or anything being more difficult. Including tha stage you are talking about, my Jiyan destroyed those 2 mobs like it was nothing.
My S6 cam, shore s2 is ticklicking him, im doing perfect rotations, parries and dodges and closest i could get him was like 1 hp but just ran out of time Meanwhile i go to the other one and clear it in less than a min
Was easy for my Carlotta, Zhezhi and Shorekeeper team, as it should be for such a premium team where the floor is designed for this type of team. I would be grumpy if I didn't have them, but also understand Kuro wants to encourage and make those that do spend and get premium teams lives easier. It is a tough balance when you think about it, because if they do not make anything easier for those that spend, people would spend less and the game would die. I dunno, its a tough one for me as a fairly light spender.
This reset was literally my first opportunity to full clear ToA with 3 nearly fully built teams and ofc i get slapped with the hardest one so far because of this issue 😪
Hazard Tower was very challenging this time. I had no wind or ice dps characters(Skipped Carlotta and Jiyan). I beat Hazard Tower, but resulted in a lot of trial and error. The rotations were very tight(Literally had 10 seconds left). Stage 1 - Xiangli Yao, Yinlin, Shorekeeper Stage 2 - Camellya, Sanhua, Shorekeeper
That crownless's havoc res is crazy, lol Brought Solo S6 cammy and i had to back out to make sure i had echos on. (I know +10% havoc res this time, but i guess tower boss's have normal havoc res of like 60%? (Though normally anyone in middle tower cammy sweeps, its just this crownless that surprised me, lol)
yeah my s6 cam usually can do a mil crit but here she was tickling him with lil 160k crits and sometimes it was very weird where my spinning would do 10k crit a piece and then other time like 600
The reason this new tower reset seems harder is because we usually get the 30% attribute buffs, now it's only the resonance skill dmg buff. I barely beat Crownless with s0r1 Jiyan, Mortefi, and Verina team, but my s0 Static Mist lvl 80/80 Carlotta, zhizhi, and shorekeeper had like 40 seconds left beating Memphis lol!
I 3* the middle tower first time, I use Verina, Zhezhi, Carlotta, I'm not even trying. All I see is they want to promote Zhezhi and Carlotta for easy clear not a must pull to clear the tower. If you don't want to pull for Zhezhi and Carlotta, just build your Mortefi and your main DPS and try and try and try until you 3*
I see nothing Wrong I clear Hazzard Tower With Spectro Rover + Sanhua Duo ! Its not even close to stats Check . Build your Team right everything will be smooth ! Fussion Teams also work Changli Chixia Duo ! On top of Glacio and Aero Teams !
Not really that of a big deal. Most players clear it for astrites. I did finish it with only 27 stars and I don't care about completing at all. Kuro spoiled y'all
It´s funny that when Zhezhi first released everyone was saying "i dont need zhezhi i have YuanWu". It seems Kuro is listening the community very closely : ) I cleared 1.4 + 3.4 with XLY + Yinlin/Camellya and 2-1 + 2.1 Jinhsi+Zhezhi with moonlit set. All the rest with Chixia+YangYang and encore. The worst one for me was 1.4 since the wolves keep spreading.
I did clear with Carlotta, and it was a lot damn fast than before ToA reset, which i would say with the Glacio buff it made it easy, but we need that universal buffing back. I dont wanna pull every single character for f sake just because they benefit the existing ToA buffs.
It is true what they say. The game is popular at the moment so shitting on it will bring views. Kuro devs deserve nothing but praise with their new 2.0 update.
even if they did incredible job there are still room for improvement - having to equip wings gadget is annoying and a bad design. - its becoming more goofy and childish. - everyone is again drooling over rover - echo system is still bad but well, they added some QoL - all resonators released after 1.0 will make you blind with particle effects and dizzy with erratic movement. why do I need to see the enemy and my char doing stuff? - there is no male chars except Brant
My fear with the future updates for toa are these specific floor buffs which kind of force players to use those specific elements for that floor. I get it, thats gacha playbook 101 but i do appreciate how wuwa gives you many options from every character if you build them right
Personally I found zero issue with this cycle and I felt like it's a lil bit easier then the last two. Maybe bcs my characters are better built now. I did Camellya Sanhua SK and Yao Changli Verina on the sides then Jinshi Zezhi Baizhi (or the ShiZhiZhi core if I must say 😉) for the middle one. I also tried with Yuanwu instead of Zhezhi and still clear it. I have been able to get full stars since sk banner, I feel like for now my account is just too strong to struggle at the tower lol. I'm f2p, just got really lucky with my pulls and I started playing since day 1 with I'd say advance knowledge atleast for starter account. So my account is well build with decent amount of 5* chars and weapons.
I completed it, spending whole afternoon tryna get lucky with my Carlotta crits and rotations. Have Carlotta R1 with Taoqi and Shorekeeper F2P with the new set. It was more of a build + skill test I'd say? *I dont have Zhezhi and used Lustrous Razor Jinhsi with Yuanwu and Verina for Crownless. Quickswaps would really enjoy this cycle IMO. Overall, the bonus damage thing was bad. Wish they made it somehow accessible through other means, but I guess its good in a way that you're able to gauge your builds somehow raw and well skills too.
Well, you finally agree with all of us not tryhards and not whales who don't 30/30 the tower ever. The tower has always favored the limited resonators that are in the banner. If you never noticed, pal, that is on you.
I didnt know it is a frustrating toa for many players as I 30/30 easily as a f2p day2 player. But yea, I used zhezi to clear hazard easy with midbuilt carlotta. Sucks to those who doesnt have them but toa is end game for a reason.
I do have to admit that the new TOA is the hardest I have ever experienced. I usually get around 27-28 stars on average, but with the new TOA, my stars went down to 25 ;-; Probably because I haven't got good echoes with my Carlotta despite getting her sig.
Unfortunately this is common in gacha games, I'm not surprised at all, these towers are made to sell characters that are in the banner My experience with this new tower: first I tried to complete the middle tower using Jinshi and I couldn't get to Tempest Mephis in time, then I remembered that in some of the first versions of the game they gave 100 Crystal Solvents and I didn't spend any, so I spent 30 to farm the new set for my Carlotta, and using her it was VERY easy to complete the middle tower All my 5* characters are S0 and the only signature weapon I pulled was Xiangli Yao's. In my build Carlotta is using the Standard Banner Weapon and the total stats are 2100 ATK, 74% CRate, 237% CDMG
In my main account it was easy to cleab this towers I used two teams Jinshi for the second tower and left and right ones did quick swap teams with Carlotta x Verina . But in my sec account it was though I barely got 20 doritos out of 30 😅
I 30/30 cleared it with… Left Side: Yuanwu, Verina, Jinhsi Middle: Shorekeeper, Zhezhi, Carlotta Right: Baizhi, Sanhua, Camellya Every 5 star is S0 R1, SKeeper S2 R1, All 4 star S6. Echo sets are good bur not great. I’ve seen people clear this TOA using 4 star only+Rover. It’s skill/investment issue. Having the right characters helps make it easier ofc but lets not doom post when it’s still possible to get it done F2P. If clearing end game easily is so important to those who care then spend your pulls wisely and build every elemental dps. I am day 1 player who only went for S0 R1(if needed) to cover ever element. It took time to get all the echo set good enough to clear they could def be better but I rather invest my resources into having all the characters in game leveled, geared with talents. Now I’m down to just Taoqi at lvl 79 no talents and Yuanwu at 60 with only his passive forte unlocked to extend his skill range. I was told this was a waste of my resources but I planned ahead for end game knowing it makes it easier to clear. This is nothing new for end game to have certain buffs and debuffs.
im not so very happy with pinzer manuevers and this new tower yesterday i started to play the story and try to do the tower i cant pass the first floor red tower, I dont have zhezhi. for some reason with 73% crit rate jinhsi the most of my attacks fail the crit DMG.( note: also since a few towers is amazing how in the last 15 seconds the Crit Hit fail more. i got mad and alt+F4 the game. i havent returned today.
@@PaulMiskimmonThe version 2.0 I haven't played yet, but I'm going to give it a chance today. The problem is that if you don't have the right characters, you can't complete the event perfectly.
I'm fine with them putting restrictions on the other two floors but please leave the middle universal. I enjoy the challenge though but i hate the unnecessary resistance restrictions.
Couldn't agree more on the difficulty I'm a day 1 player What I've noticed that Kuro has their favoured characters and definitely will do a lot to promote. The differences can be spot on straight, LingYang story and movesets comparing to Changli.. When it comes to difficulty, sorry the game isn't meant for casual players, it's kinda difficult for casual players to clear all content even if you spent hours into building your units My suggestion is either change a game or stick to the fact that you can't clear it all Very disappointed tho
This type of issue is something i would praise cc for showing concern for the future. Don't talk about how you could use other characters because it used to be universal buff before 2.0. What about the players that started in 2.0 or 1.4? Like, let's make Wuwa great again and remove this BS. Players loved mid tower for universal buffing and were not forced to play certain elements. Slowly, we are goin to the path of yoh must own this before you can clewr
This type of super specific buff’s kinda sucks ngl. My 80% built Carlotta and lv80 Zhezhi did better than my fully built Jiyan and Yao team. I hope they bring back the 30% attributes buff because this change just f’ed over anyone who doesn’t have a skill dmg focused charater or coord atk character P.S: I’d rather fight pre-nerf Scar than fight Crownless again. Bro flight spam’s cringe
I destroyed current tower no problem. So, i don't see a point - every player either can do tower 30\30 or can't. And that won't change regardless how "hard" or "easy" any tower is. And last floor on middle tower have 2 minibosses and last boss last two towers too, so it's not like it's suddenly appear in 2.0. Promoting their new 5* with endgame content's content is what any gacha do to some extent, so i don't see how it coud've been different for Wuwa.
Im down if its either right or left tower that promotes the character but the buff on middle should be general buff that every dps can acquire and remove the resistance bullshit
tower wasn't bad i did that without zhezhi or any coordinated atk character. Only used carlotta and lumi on top and carlotta sanhua bottom with SK. No copies as well. As for Kuro taking this route I think they'll make it end up like PPC from PGR that on every rotation it just has some debuffs and some buffs unrelated to who's on the banner. If you have strong meta chars it'll be easy.
Jiyan, Mortefi and Verina can do it easily. However, we have no other Aero Dps so if you dont have this team with 2 koordinated attacker an an Aero DPS youre kinda screwed
I think it's a good change. TOA has been super easy. Look at your team comp for hazard tower. Your trying to force clear it with Main dps Jinhsi because you know she hits hard and has been able to clear content even if they have spectro resistance. Now your struggling a bit which is okay. Invest in other dps. I'm glad they're doing this change.
I tried with verina zheizhi and jinshi on the Memphis side and still couldn't clear it in time was still like 30 seconds short of 3 stars, my zheizhi build is pretty much like yours but more er
I kinda thought it was an interesting idea. And I tried it and couldn't even get one dorito lol. I don't think it's that bad, I thought it was a good way to not blast through it with Camellya or Xiangli Yao.
this is really bad for wu wa they're copying genshin trash way of selling new character through end game meta everyone should speak about this until they fix it they either do no buff or do general buff that works with all teams also they need to remove the color buff rec or whatever we already have color buff and def in the game we don't need them to add more on that
Its predatory for sure :)) Hope they change back, the toa already suck ball( boring af) Just set that endgame aside and create a better endgame like illusive dream
Personally, this seems really cringe, I am a Kurobot and hated to see it when i locked in, the middle tower looked really bad, and its usually the tower i clear first Time to send feedback about it, hopefully they dont do this again
Its a combat based game leave the hard combat mods alone if you cant clear it that's a you issue it spouse to be hard if you are a casual you not spouse to clear it in 1-3 attempts thats why it's called a challenge you guys want elden ring nerfed as well since the casual player has a hard time there as well? Stop nerfing the game difficulty just because you cant clear it first try. It will always be clearable if you try hard enough and you have units built you will get it but yall give up after couple of attempts and complain its for whales its for end game players its a challenge.... yk people that played the game know the game mechanics read the buffs and debuffs and want some challenging combat to do with incentive to do it. Its not gonna be fun if its dead first try its just gonna be another source of astrite for casuals f2p that dont play the game for its gameplay but to collect shit every other patch go play the casual mods then like the parkour events or try and do what you can until you can clear it all leave the end game and combat challenges alone ty.
@DeJaVu804 yeah it felt fine honestly. But I think the buff shouldn't be for supports. It makes things weird because the devs will force us to have to use certain characters in general. I think just drop the added buff honestly. It's really not needed.
@@brentmason7762 you can literally use Yuanwu. Everyone has him and he’s free and don’t need to be built. I saw a f2p use him, rover and danjin to clear mid 6/6.
The usual Jiyan/Mort/Verina clear middle tower so fast, I also didn't feel any difference. I even tried Encore/Sanhua/Verina and Jinhsi/Yuanwu/Taoqi both teams also clear middle tower easily, not even touch 3.30. Edit: all S0 btw
Just Wanted to give you all an update beat it RN but it kind of feels like if you do not have ZheZhi might be a pain let me know how you guys r doing?
I cleared it with jiyan and mortefi team comp. Its tbh fine in my opinion. Took me quite a few tries, but after I got down the most optimal rotation and quickswap pathway I cleared it with 15s to spare. In my opinion, you don't actually need Zhezhi (for all the people with mortefi, build mortefi, have jiyan) to clear it.
Cleared 1st try with jinshi yuanwu verina, didn't even feel that different from last tower, so I'm kind of out of the loop what people are complaining about. Yet again my goat Yuanwu constantly keeps the buff up with reliable follow up attacks and lets me face tank damage thanks to the shield, too bad everyone forgot he exists.
Got it with Yuanwua Jinhsi but took awhile if I missed a crit I failed (first floor 1 shot it) 2nd floor was pain.
Almost cleared it, just the middle tower left. I wanted to Danjin solo it but the Havoc res says otherwise. So right now i'm practicing Carlotta solo before going in.
@@rudeimouto3034jinshi and yuanwu is op especially if u got his dupes
Meanwhile the 3 existing Lingyang mains chillin on the mid tower 😂
I'm honeslty really tempted to build my Lingyang, cause he is my only Glacio damage dealer. I decided to skip Carlotta. Unfortunately i don't have Zhezhi either
@@drakula839 gotta play what's on your cards 🤣linyang is pretty good honestly though I don't bother building him since I got carlotty 🤣
Actually lingyang is good when used with either sanhua or zhehi and sk
But he is really useless without them
Imagine being the guy who pulled camellya yinlin and xangli Yao in one update only for them to not be useable for the next toa
you got this hopefully you get amazing echos
"not usable" u have two other towers and they both can 12 stars it...
I used my XY yinlin team at left tower camellya sanhua at right and jinhsi carlotta at the middle tower just use your units flexibly 30/30 btw
Lol, cleared right tower with a solo Danjin, i dont see any issues
wdym? XY can easily clear the 1st room of middle tower, while Camellya chilling in the 2nd room.
last week people complain about so easy to clear now people complain again cuz its hard
Typical gacha players ..while I cleared it with lingyang 🤣
I couldn't clear even last time
dude I have an S3 Cam, S2 Shorekeeper... I can't do it, that's saying sum wrong
It's not about hard gameplay but about cockblocks or about whale
@@ZerefCifer707 yes on your part. i have s2r1 camellya and s2 sk and still did it. and if u tried against crownless, he has innate havoc res so the stage buff adds havoc res to him. so use her on the second stage.
cleared it with the first ever limited, jiyan. don't need to feel pressured to pull for zhezhi or carlotta or whatever, just focus on improving your rotations and understand that some runs will just be unlucky (bad monster positioning, monster spamming moves that makes you reposition, etc), put on the time, maybe farm the new nightmare 4 cost if you need. the new tower is the hardest yet but still pretty balanced.
Jyan, Jinshi and Charlotta make Wuwa easy mode.
bruh this is fine, coming from an xly, Rover and Encore player, i do have changli(-Lumi) for middle tower. Is still average 3:40 clears. i only have s0 or s1s.
edit : i do understand im a fairly sweaty player, but like cmon if u dont have 3 teams built up dont complain about toA. its still a very comfy clear once u built up, just wait till u build em... and practice ur rotations as well. 4 rotations is the standard(within 2 min), 3 rotations are enough to clear with decent investment. f2(middle tower) specifically will check ur rotation rather than dps. its actually kinda cool how they implemented it. f2 still only requires 3 rotations if ur doing it right, 4 rotations will still get u the clear.
Yes. Totally this.
We need to accept that ToA, being end-game content engineered to favor the current limited banner character, we need to either go with the trend or strive for perfect rotations and finely tuned equipment and echoes.
I have neither, so I'll accept I'll never 30/30 the ToA.
nope. it isnt. I cleared eveything 30d last 6 ToA. now I am 30 sec behind. It feels like character or constellation check, not a skill check
@ixirion ToA has always been a cash check.
Skilled peoplebwith good builds could force rhey way through ibstead of swiping.
But that is also still true right now.
@@ixirion is it? just wondering, because my clear time with Jiyan/Mort/Verina team for Crownless middle tower is 58s, almost similar to my usual time
@@botcchidotcchi there is buff to aero + the general buff is replaced to a buff to coordinated attacks. so yes, it is possible
Zhezhi is hyperventilating as three teams fight for her
Cleared it with xiangli yao and camellya. Camellya one had 10 seconds left, probably my hardest tower yet.
This is every gatcha game ever. They make the end game mode a new char showcase.
What surprises me is that the ToA has always been pretty transparent in that it favors the limited resonator in the banner.
And they are only now noticing it.
@lesath7883 people are just. Creating their own problems at this point instead of focusing on more important matters. We should be looking at bugs and some QoL that needs to made for immersion mode, boss mat farming, echoe exp farming, etc. This detracts from what we actually need to look at and have the dev fix.
@@lesath7883nah, both of you are just say bullshit.
Before it was like: take 10% aero damage.
+ 30% to all kind of damage
+ use an charged attack(every single character) and get more damage 15 secs
10% havoc damage.
+ 30% to all kind of damage.
+ Use a basic attack and get more damage 10 secs(every single character can deal an bassic attack)
Take 10 fire damage%
+ Take 30% damage increase
+ use an skill and get more damage 20 secs(every single dps deal an attack in his skill)
Now
enemies have res reduction(more damage increase than element%)
and use this and get penalties(now characers get penalties by existing)
+Use extra attacks(barely 5 characters have that and baizhu its not enough, so 4) and get skill damage 3 secs. (Barely 2 characters who deal skill damage have some kind of sinergy with someone who deal extra attack damage).
its not even closer
Or "people creating their own problems"? 😵💫😵💫😵💫
@destock1637 Oh, no.
Kuro is the one that has created this problem.
My argument is that ToA has not suddenly become awful and predatory.
It has always been awful and predatory.
You lot didn't notice it before.
@@lesath7883 then your argument is wrong because it suddenly became awful and predatory 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Let's be real here. Kuro is selling Zhezhi in mid tower 2 here.
We only have that many coordinated DPS here. Yinlin gets countered 100% in lvl.2; Yuanwu's team is crit farming; Mortefi needs solid build in Jiyan's team(at least lvl.80, static mist, S6)
I know there are some players love Zhezhi by her design, but I ain't pulling her just because I can't get over ToA. If she has some nice skin (like collabing with Lamia in from Gray Raven) I will pull her. Until then I'm not buying the idea of "She's the meta and if you ain't pulling her, the remaining solution of ToA is unpleasant."
the mid tower is pretty ez for me atleast, i use jinhsi carlotta & SK at middle and they're gone
Mort does not need a solid build in the Jiyan team. He just need Youhu and coord atk set and hes op.
Surprise! Verina has coordinated attacks, so you're able to build any team. The game provides everything to solve this puzzle. Just play, not consume.
I literally saw a f2p clear yesterday with all 4 star+Rover. The guy cleared mid tower with Rover, Danjin, Yuanwu.
ToA has always been made to sell you the current banner character.
The good thing is that if you built your previous resonators and sweat enough, you can still clear it.
I don't.
So I don't care I will never 30/30 it.
Thisbis what happens when you tell kuro to make the game harder i guess xD. I blame the tryhards and the egoist players
I cleared the hazard tower using Changli, Jinhsi, and Verina. It's a pain in the ass since it's not an optimal team but I can't use my other teams so I was forced to use them and I was barely able to complete the challenge. Personally, I'm not a fan of implementing stage debuffs as a form of providing difficulty in the game but regardless, I still love everything else about the update.
Carlotta+zhezhi is a beast in the middle.
Also zhezhi on the mew set is a new beast and will also give some extra buff to the next incoming resonater
you can clear the TOA without the tower buffs. the buffs serves as a bonus.
I already maxed the tower without a built Carlotta and a level 40 Zhezhi, but I have to say, it is in fact the hardest tower as of now.
The middle tower restriction is just too annoying to get through for someone who has almost no frost character built.
I hope Kuro realises this is not a good way to sell characters, I mean they already made Pincer (Also got all rewards without Carlotta or Zhezhi) so they can make another endgame mode where this restrictions can be done.
I totally disagree.
The ToA has ALWAYS favored the limited resonators in the current banner.
This time not favoring people who did not go for Carlotta is nothing new.
Kuro did with this ToA what it has done for 6 months. If it was good last week, then it is good this one too.
@lesath7883 I'm not saying it's not, what I'm trying to say is that Kuro made the tower like this, for this patch because they want to sell Carlotta and Zhezhi hard....which in my opinion is not necessary.
I know how the tower was before been completing it for a long time now, but this is the first time they've given us the restriction of resistance and a buff only for Co-ordinated attacks, so if you wanna get the buff you better use, Zhezhi (preferred), Yinlin (Not preferred) or Mortefi.
@@darkfrost279 but the buffs is not exclusive only for Carlotta tho; Jiyan, Verina, Yuanwu and Baizhi also benefit from it
@botcchidotcchi true but it mostly helps Carlotta and Zhezhi, now this is coming from someone who already did the tower again, but maybe rather than restriction of elements and co ordinated attacks they can implement something different? I mean I can accept elemental resistances but the 2nd half of the buff can only be gained through some specific characters. That's all I'm trying to say.
@@darkfrost279 But isn't that the whole point of end game content, to use and test game mechanics like coordinate atk, no? I tested with non-limited characters; Encore/Sanhua/Verina, still easily clear the middle tower even without the buff. But yeah, I understand your opinion, basically you saying more universal game mechanic like dodge counter (from previous ToA), heavy atk, use skill or liberation
I did 27 burritos and called it a day. fck the 50 extra asterites.
it feels like I do no dmg and we are in powercreeper territory.
Its not powercreep really. Its just favoring Glacio and coordinated attacks because well current banners. Ironically if you have Carlotta+Zhezhi, its super easy. But yeah if you don't you might struggle a bit but that's how it goes. It will move on to other things after current banners ends, maybe will favor your current teams better.
@@Hreimdal thank you. I think there is a bit of powercreep cos all new units are around top of the meta but nothing serious yet
@@ixirion Will always be some powercreep, in gacha games, because they need to make new units appealing for people to pull on them, the best way to do that is to make them do slightly better than what is otherwise in the game already. But of course if they don't increase the difficulty of the enemies also then eventually it would become way to easy. Don't think its that bad yet, you can still clear with 1.0 units in most cases, but eventually yes there will come a point where they will just no longer cut it.
4:42 Isn't Jinhsi better with Verina? Because of Jinhsi's enhanced outro, Verina's coordinated attacks from her liberation actually gives her forte a whole lot more charges, I understand that Shorekeeper gives a really nice crit buff, but I have been able to clear middle tower easily with the same team (Verina S0 instead of Shorekeeper) and S0 Zhezhi with String Master, it only took me 3 tries to beat the second stage while crownless only 1 try.
I'm not saying this to diminish the concern about the difficulty, only to share my experience and the fact that I didn't feel the difference with the previous 2 ToAs
I think they are on the same level, at least this is what I see with my account
I prefer sk just for the crit rate buff
I'm gonna be honest I 1 shot every stage as usual 30/30, i didn't noticed anything strange or anything being more difficult. Including tha stage you are talking about, my Jiyan destroyed those 2 mobs like it was nothing.
My S6 cam, shore s2 is ticklicking him, im doing perfect rotations, parries and dodges and closest i could get him was like 1 hp but just ran out of time
Meanwhile i go to the other one and clear it in less than a min
I usually get 2 star at middle tower before, but this update is difficult as hell!!! I love it but hate it at the same time
Was easy for my Carlotta, Zhezhi and Shorekeeper team, as it should be for such a premium team where the floor is designed for this type of team. I would be grumpy if I didn't have them, but also understand Kuro wants to encourage and make those that do spend and get premium teams lives easier. It is a tough balance when you think about it, because if they do not make anything easier for those that spend, people would spend less and the game would die. I dunno, its a tough one for me as a fairly light spender.
This reset was literally my first opportunity to full clear ToA with 3 nearly fully built teams and ofc i get slapped with the hardest one so far because of this issue 😪
Update: I tried again and finally full cleared for the very first time right at the dot 3 minute mark. Carlotta truly is a blessing
Hazard Tower was very challenging this time. I had no wind or ice dps characters(Skipped Carlotta and Jiyan). I beat Hazard Tower, but resulted in a lot of trial and error. The rotations were very tight(Literally had 10 seconds left).
Stage 1 - Xiangli Yao, Yinlin, Shorekeeper
Stage 2 - Camellya, Sanhua, Shorekeeper
That crownless's havoc res is crazy, lol
Brought Solo S6 cammy and i had to back out to make sure i had echos on. (I know +10% havoc res this time, but i guess tower boss's have normal havoc res of like 60%? (Though normally anyone in middle tower cammy sweeps, its just this crownless that surprised me, lol)
yeah my s6 cam usually can do a mil crit but here she was tickling him with lil 160k crits and sometimes it was very weird where my spinning would do 10k crit a piece and then other time like 600
@anormalguy8407 dude, your s6 is weak. My s3 cam does 900k to a million dmg on her e and she can clear toa np solo
@@PaulMiskimmon Mine can normally do over a mil but for some reason it only does 160k against crownless
You may need to up your crit rate
@@PaulMiskimmon its already at 75 and 12 from shore
The reason this new tower reset seems harder is because we usually get the 30% attribute buffs, now it's only the resonance skill dmg buff. I barely beat Crownless with s0r1 Jiyan, Mortefi, and Verina team, but my s0 Static Mist lvl 80/80 Carlotta, zhizhi, and shorekeeper had like 40 seconds left beating Memphis lol!
good thing i have yuanwu, mortefi fully built with anthem set, slap them on and i clear it on time again
I 3* the middle tower first time, I use Verina, Zhezhi, Carlotta, I'm not even trying. All I see is they want to promote Zhezhi and Carlotta for easy clear not a must pull to clear the tower. If you don't want to pull for Zhezhi and Carlotta, just build your Mortefi and your main DPS and try and try and try until you 3*
I see nothing Wrong I clear Hazzard Tower With Spectro Rover + Sanhua Duo !
Its not even close to stats Check . Build your Team right everything will be smooth !
Fussion Teams also work Changli Chixia Duo !
On top of Glacio and Aero Teams !
Yoooooooo what up gamba man this tower is tough
My accounts still not quite ready to beat the tower but i hope i don't have to deal with things like this when it is.
Not really that of a big deal. Most players clear it for astrites. I did finish it with only 27 stars and I don't care about completing at all.
Kuro spoiled y'all
It´s funny that when Zhezhi first released everyone was saying "i dont need zhezhi i have YuanWu".
It seems Kuro is listening the community very closely : )
I cleared 1.4 + 3.4 with XLY + Yinlin/Camellya and 2-1 + 2.1 Jinhsi+Zhezhi with moonlit set.
All the rest with Chixia+YangYang and encore.
The worst one for me was 1.4 since the wolves keep spreading.
I did clear with Carlotta, and it was a lot damn fast than before ToA reset, which i would say with the Glacio buff it made it easy, but we need that universal buffing back. I dont wanna pull every single character for f sake just because they benefit the existing ToA buffs.
It is true what they say. The game is popular at the moment so shitting on it will bring views. Kuro devs deserve nothing but praise with their new 2.0 update.
even if they did incredible job there are still room for improvement
- having to equip wings gadget is annoying and a bad design.
- its becoming more goofy and childish.
- everyone is again drooling over rover
- echo system is still bad but well, they added some QoL
- all resonators released after 1.0 will make you blind with particle effects and dizzy with erratic movement. why do I need to see the enemy and my char doing stuff?
- there is no male chars except Brant
@@ixirionthat's a you problem. Go play something else
@@PaulMiskimmon f off. I will play whatever I want :)
also I do have opinion and probably you dont know that butr yt comments can be used for that
My fear with the future updates for toa are these specific floor buffs which kind of force players to use those specific elements for that floor. I get it, thats gacha playbook 101 but i do appreciate how wuwa gives you many options from every character if you build them right
This was the easiest 30/30 I've ever done. I didn't even use Carlotta on purpose.
But this is a move in the wrong direction overall.
eyyy Kuro! I can't clear the tower fix it for me! Don't you dare try promoting your banner using the tower. You have no rights to make some money.
Cleared it quite easily with 20 seconds to spare, my 30 dorito streak aint over yet with no new echo sets or nightmare echoes
I always skip the middle towers😅 ..24/30 for me.. I don't have enough characters built yet
Bro yeah I was like WTH where all my damage go this tower just felt tedious
I tried to brute force it with camellya on crownless and I was 5 seconds off with a perfect rotation😂
Personally I found zero issue with this cycle and I felt like it's a lil bit easier then the last two. Maybe bcs my characters are better built now.
I did Camellya Sanhua SK and Yao Changli Verina on the sides then Jinshi Zezhi Baizhi (or the ShiZhiZhi core if I must say 😉) for the middle one. I also tried with Yuanwu instead of Zhezhi and still clear it.
I have been able to get full stars since sk banner, I feel like for now my account is just too strong to struggle at the tower lol.
I'm f2p, just got really lucky with my pulls and I started playing since day 1 with I'd say advance knowledge atleast for starter account. So my account is well build with decent amount of 5* chars and weapons.
I completed it, spending whole afternoon tryna get lucky with my Carlotta crits and rotations. Have Carlotta R1 with Taoqi and Shorekeeper F2P with the new set. It was more of a build + skill test I'd say? *I dont have Zhezhi and used Lustrous Razor Jinhsi with Yuanwu and Verina for Crownless.
Quickswaps would really enjoy this cycle IMO. Overall, the bonus damage thing was bad. Wish they made it somehow accessible through other means, but I guess its good in a way that you're able to gauge your builds somehow raw and well skills too.
Well, you finally agree with all of us not tryhards and not whales who don't 30/30 the tower ever.
The tower has always favored the limited resonators that are in the banner.
If you never noticed, pal, that is on you.
I didnt know it is a frustrating toa for many players as I 30/30 easily as a f2p day2 player. But yea, I used zhezi to clear hazard easy with midbuilt carlotta. Sucks to those who doesnt have them but toa is end game for a reason.
i used xy and camellya team to clear the middle tower because i only have team build around those two💀
I do have to admit that the new TOA is the hardest I have ever experienced. I usually get around 27-28 stars on average, but with the new TOA, my stars went down to 25 ;-;
Probably because I haven't got good echoes with my Carlotta despite getting her sig.
Unfortunately this is common in gacha games, I'm not surprised at all, these towers are made to sell characters that are in the banner
My experience with this new tower: first I tried to complete the middle tower using Jinshi and I couldn't get to Tempest Mephis in time, then I remembered that in some of the first versions of the game they gave 100 Crystal Solvents and I didn't spend any, so I spent 30 to farm the new set for my Carlotta, and using her it was VERY easy to complete the middle tower
All my 5* characters are S0 and the only signature weapon I pulled was Xiangli Yao's. In my build Carlotta is using the Standard Banner Weapon and the total stats are 2100 ATK, 74% CRate, 237% CDMG
In my main account it was easy to cleab this towers I used two teams Jinshi for the second tower and left and right ones did quick swap teams with Carlotta x Verina . But in my sec account it was though I barely got 20 doritos out of 30 😅
This middle tower is shit!!
Also, illusive realm when??
I 30/30 cleared it with…
Left Side: Yuanwu, Verina, Jinhsi
Middle: Shorekeeper, Zhezhi, Carlotta
Right: Baizhi, Sanhua, Camellya
Every 5 star is S0 R1, SKeeper S2 R1, All 4 star S6. Echo sets are good bur not great.
I’ve seen people clear this TOA using 4 star only+Rover. It’s skill/investment issue. Having the right characters helps make it easier ofc but lets not doom post when it’s still possible to get it done F2P. If clearing end game easily is so important to those who care then spend your pulls wisely and build every elemental dps. I am day 1 player who only went for S0 R1(if needed) to cover ever element. It took time to get all the echo set good enough to clear they could def be better but I rather invest my resources into having all the characters in game leveled, geared with talents. Now I’m down to just Taoqi at lvl 79 no talents and Yuanwu at 60 with only his passive forte unlocked to extend his skill range. I was told this was a waste of my resources but I planned ahead for end game knowing it makes it easier to clear. This is nothing new for end game to have certain buffs and debuffs.
with nightmare echoes making all the characters stronger i think its fine. you can beat towers even without using the buffs.
im not so very happy with pinzer manuevers and this new tower
yesterday i started to play the story and try to do the tower i cant pass the first floor red tower, I dont have zhezhi. for some reason with 73% crit rate jinhsi the most of my attacks fail the crit DMG.( note: also since a few towers is amazing how in the last 15 seconds the Crit Hit fail more.
i got mad and alt+F4 the game. i havent returned today.
Pincer menouver was easy this time
@@PaulMiskimmonThe version 2.0 I haven't played yet, but I'm going to give it a chance today. The problem is that if you don't have the right characters, you can't complete the event perfectly.
@@sesshomaru2005 that kinda goes for all the pincer menouver events since they don't offer trial characters
I'm fine with them putting restrictions on the other two floors but please leave the middle universal. I enjoy the challenge though but i hate the unnecessary resistance restrictions.
Couldn't agree more on the difficulty
I'm a day 1 player
What I've noticed that Kuro has their favoured characters and definitely will do a lot to promote. The differences can be spot on straight, LingYang story and movesets comparing to Changli..
When it comes to difficulty, sorry the game isn't meant for casual players, it's kinda difficult for casual players to clear all content even if you spent hours into building your units
My suggestion is either change a game or stick to the fact that you can't clear it all
Very disappointed tho
Ez clear. Mid tower Fire team (changli encore verina) first floor, Camellya second (sanhua baizhi)
Thats just 10% resist, its nothing.
This type of issue is something i would praise cc for showing concern for the future.
Don't talk about how you could use other characters because it used to be universal buff before 2.0. What about the players that started in 2.0 or 1.4? Like, let's make Wuwa great again and remove this BS.
Players loved mid tower for universal buffing and were not forced to play certain elements. Slowly, we are goin to the path of yoh must own this before you can clewr
This type of super specific buff’s kinda sucks ngl. My 80% built Carlotta and lv80 Zhezhi did better than my fully built Jiyan and Yao team.
I hope they bring back the 30% attributes buff because this change just f’ed over anyone who doesn’t have a skill dmg focused charater or coord atk character
P.S: I’d rather fight pre-nerf Scar than fight Crownless again. Bro flight spam’s cringe
I destroyed current tower no problem. So, i don't see a point - every player either can do tower 30\30 or can't. And that won't change regardless how "hard" or "easy" any tower is. And last floor on middle tower have 2 minibosses and last boss last two towers too, so it's not like it's suddenly appear in 2.0. Promoting their new 5* with endgame content's content is what any gacha do to some extent, so i don't see how it coud've been different for Wuwa.
Im down if its either right or left tower that promotes the character but the buff on middle should be general buff that every dps can acquire and remove the resistance bullshit
tower wasn't bad i did that without zhezhi or any coordinated atk character. Only used carlotta and lumi on top and carlotta sanhua bottom with SK. No copies as well. As for Kuro taking this route I think they'll make it end up like PPC from PGR that on every rotation it just has some debuffs and some buffs unrelated to who's on the banner. If you have strong meta chars it'll be easy.
Jiyan, Mortefi and Verina can do it easily. However, we have no other Aero Dps so if you dont have this team with 2 koordinated attacker an an Aero DPS youre kinda screwed
I think it's a good change. TOA has been super easy. Look at your team comp for hazard tower. Your trying to force clear it with Main dps Jinhsi because you know she hits hard and has been able to clear content even if they have spectro resistance. Now your struggling a bit which is okay. Invest in other dps. I'm glad they're doing this change.
I tried with verina zheizhi and jinshi on the Memphis side and still couldn't clear it in time was still like 30 seconds short of 3 stars, my zheizhi build is pretty much like yours but more er
I believe you did this team rotation wrong, I can clear with 50s left, all S0
I like tower too. It was not easy or hard too. But this one is kinda messed up.
Yeah i will just complain it on the next survey..it need fix
I had to use my s6 Changli to clear it:( fingers hurt.
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I kinda thought it was an interesting idea. And I tried it and couldn't even get one dorito lol. I don't think it's that bad, I thought it was a good way to not blast through it with Camellya or Xiangli Yao.
this is really bad for wu wa they're copying genshin trash way of selling new character through end game meta everyone should speak about this until they fix it they either do no buff or do general buff that works with all teams also they need to remove the color buff rec or whatever we already have color buff and def in the game we don't need them to add more on that
Why do I feel it's harder than Overdrive?
I cleared with lingyang
Lingyang for the win :)
@@GambaAJ yeah my lingyang is s4 🤣🤣💀
Its predatory for sure :)) Hope they change back, the toa already suck ball( boring af) Just set that endgame aside and create a better endgame like illusive dream
Personally, this seems really cringe, I am a Kurobot and hated to see it when i locked in, the middle tower looked really bad, and its usually the tower i clear first
Time to send feedback about it, hopefully they dont do this again
There is nothing wrong with the stage? I'm confused about what your trying to put forward here?
Ez for jiyan
Its a combat based game leave the hard combat mods alone if you cant clear it that's a you issue it spouse to be hard if you are a casual you not spouse to clear it in 1-3 attempts thats why it's called a challenge you guys want elden ring nerfed as well since the casual player has a hard time there as well?
Stop nerfing the game difficulty just because you cant clear it first try.
It will always be clearable if you try hard enough and you have units built you will get it but yall give up after couple of attempts and complain its for whales its for end game players its a challenge....
yk people that played the game know the game mechanics read the buffs and debuffs and want some challenging combat to do with incentive to do it.
Its not gonna be fun if its dead first try its just gonna be another source of astrite for casuals f2p that dont play the game for its gameplay but to collect shit every other patch go play the casual mods then like the parkour events or try and do what you can until you can clear it all leave the end game and combat challenges alone ty.
Build lingyang bro its worth it
lmao this tower is not even that hard. I dont even have verina.
left and right tower (XY + yinlin + bazhi)
mid tower (jinshi, zhezhi, SK)
they all S0
Wuwa do a att%, crt dam and crt rate
I cant beat it 1st day players its impossible
For me it's ok.
This new ToA is just straight up braindead. This shit is worse than anything Genshin Abyss did to me.
ToA 2.0 its not that too hard tho.
its hard??......
what?
is this satire?
western CC curse is real
Carlotta/SK/Zhe (Empyrean Anthem set on Zhe) all s0r0, had no problem with this team, lol I didn't even know there was a problem with tower!
Maybe its because I got S2 Carlotta, but I didn't feel the struggle as much. The Knight took a second but her dmg is enough.
Nah her S0 R1 was easy enough to clear mid tower in one attempt with plenty of time left. I don’t even have the new glacio set.
@DeJaVu804 yeah it felt fine honestly. But I think the buff shouldn't be for supports. It makes things weird because the devs will force us to have to use certain characters in general.
I think just drop the added buff honestly. It's really not needed.
@@brentmason7762 you can literally use Yuanwu. Everyone has him and he’s free and don’t need to be built. I saw a f2p use him, rover and danjin to clear mid 6/6.
The usual Jiyan/Mort/Verina clear middle tower so fast, I also didn't feel any difference. I even tried Encore/Sanhua/Verina and Jinhsi/Yuanwu/Taoqi both teams also clear middle tower easily, not even touch 3.30. Edit: all S0 btw