They had a better one with the stand by me by ki theory and they ruined it by taking it down. It was honestly my motivation to join until I was told I'm ineligible of service due to a criminal record I have. It's sad but I really enjoyed the motivation they had before they took it down
My friend got accepted into MARSOC, he said you have to be a superstar in everything, PT, and ASVAB scores, he said he was watched from the start. Badass
I love reading all of these comments about which group is better than whom, when in reality if you get two operators together they have equal respect for each other because they are both members of the special forces community.
I'm thinking/planning on joining the military, and seeing all the SOF gentlemen on youtube; how they're smart, tough, articulated, mature, and strong; I can't help but thinking thats a community I want to be a part of. I'm not even partial to a branch. These men are incredible
In terms of the United States military, the only Special Forces is Army Special Forces, the rest are Special Operations units. Just thought I'd let you know!
The Air Force calls them Special Tactics . Puddle Jumpers, Combat Search & Rescue, Special Weather Observation Team , Combat Control Team , Tactical Air Control Party.
All you have to do is show up for class everyday everyday 24/7 every waking moment don't ever stop don't ever surrender knowledge is the basis for winning and that's a damn good thing what a great foundation thank you
I love how all of you who have no technical expertise in the field are putting in your "two cents". If you have never experienced the Selection/training/operational tempo of SOF please don't try and educate those less privy to the field on something you know virtually nothing about. End of rant!
There are great resources out there to help better understand the training and operations. Though there is no substitute for actually going through the process of the respective training and the enduring of deployment cycles, people can educate themselves about it if their plan is to one day become a part of the military (especially in SOF). Dick Couch, a former Navy SEAL, writes many great books depicting what it is like to be a part of various SOF Units. And the book "Level Zero Heroes" focuses on MARSOC specifically. Videos can also be found depicting SFQS, BUD/S, and the like.
i think they are the best and im not a marine. but i do study the military alot. i spend several hours each day. you dont understand marines until you are one. that goes for me as well. no body likes them but they give the most for this country. they get the toughest jobs and never quit and they dont expect an applause or recognition for their work. they fight for eachother
Speaking from being on the Army side and a general military history buff I've still never really gotten into arguing who is better. However, I say the advent of MARSOC is a HUGE deal for SOCOM and the USMC. If anything, I hope it brings the USMC back to its roots as being more of an expeditionary force instead of doing the nation building and peace keeping like the Army. I hope it gets the Corps a bigger piece of the funding pie.
To clarify some confusion among the difference between Marsoc and Force Recon Marines: MARSOC Marines fall under the umbrella of SOCOM, and answer to them. This is why you see them without a fresh haircut, a different uniform, and often beards. They answer directly to SOCOM, but still are technically in the Marine Corps. They still perform the annual tasks required of Marines, for example the PFT, CFT, and rifle range. These Marines also undergo more extensive training than Recon Marines. Force Recon Marines do not fall under SOCOM, they still answer directly to the Marine Corps. While not falling under SOCOM usually means that that unit is not Special Forces, Force Reconnaissance Marines do still have all of the skillsets and capabilities of a Special Forces unit. The only difference is the schooling time, and the fact of not falling under SOCOM. The debate rages continuously about whether MARSOC or Recon training is harder, but the truth is both of them are going to destroy you physically. If you have the mental resolve to complete one of these schools, you can complete the other. A lot of MARSOC guys were prior Recon, and say that Recon was harder than Assessment and selection for MARSOC, the reason being that being a Recon Marine first gave them the skillsets and physical ability to pass MARSOC A/S very smoothly.
BRC is a different type of brutal. A&S is a gentleman’s course, they treat you like an adult, and there’s no penalty or shame in quitting. No external pressure, all the motivation to continue has to come from within.
Super Marines and superior, seasoned Special Operators of MARSOC Raider Regiment. Special and Elite, Chosen and Unique, World Class and Badass Battlefield Shooters and Special Operators. Semper Fidelis, Spiritus Invictus, Always Faithful Always Forward deployed downrange in action and active Combat Operations over and against all Enemies, both Foreign and Domestic. Ooh Rah United States Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command ( USMC MARSOC)!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🗽🔫⚔️🗡️💥🔥💀
Recon and MarSOC remain two separate entities. Recon is still focused on reconnaissance operations. MarSOC, however, is essentially the Marine version of the Army's Special Forces (aka Green Berets). They do see plenty of combat.
The Army's "Delta Force"(1st SFOD-D) which is an Elite Tier 1 unit get's 75% of it's recruits from the 75th Ranger Regiment which is a part of USASOC. And most Ranger's also have regular Army Infantry experience as well. Ranger's are special Operations and highly experienced and only the best are selected for Delta.
because of Rumsfeld(I am not a big fan of him). in 2010 they did join part of SOCOM-JSOC community playing joint ops and MARSOC doing the great job with Force.
Unfortunately just when The Corps finally gets its DA Unit the good old government starts hitting them with budget cuts. Very unfortunate, but at least it will drive away all the kids who think they can be the next Rambo and who want the latest and greatest tech. Send in the real Spartans!
I signed up for 0311 infantry, I've done two tours, I wanted my MOS, you can google School of Infantry Marine Corps, and look at the training pipeline for specifics, I'm sure it's changed a lot, especially now that women are allowed, but I highly recommend you read your constitution before swearing an oath to it.
Their is a tier 1 element of marsoc in the pipeline. They are keeping it hush hush. In the publicly released marine spending files, there's a lot of money going to marsoc SMU program. All the units in JSOC are called SMU's special mission units
I wasn't saying that's my opinion, just saying a lot of people love them and will still use em today. I do like the newer FROG suits the best so far. I have a feeling we won't get anything better for a while.
Oliver North did a show in Afghanistan which shed light on a dual command combining Army SF and MARSOC. I've heard Army SF and MARSOC have very close working relationship similar to Army DF and DEVGRU. I can't post the link to the show, but you can search for it easily enough.
Are there exchange tours with Army SF or British SAS? I know the Army Green Berets have been working very closely with MARSOC to help them develop some of their training and support them operationally.
RASP is designed to prepare soldiers, many of whom have just graduated Basic Training, Advanced Individual Training, and Airborne School and are still considered "fresh" for assignment to the 75th Ranger Regiment. SOI is the second stage of initial military training for enlisted Marines after Recruit Training.Marines with the MOS infantry are trained at the Infantry Training Battalion,all non-infantry Marines are trained in basic infantry combat skills at the Marine Combat Training Battalion.
This is a good debate and one can understand how easy it is to argue to sides. Valid points are that Force SOF organic to the Corps, because Chesty Puller wanted the ability to utilize a unit who was "Special Operations Capable" and who did not operate under the umbrella of SOCOM. When MARSOC is in theatre it operates under the directive of SOCOM. Hence it does not answer to the conventional Marine Corps. Endstate: Force & MARSOC=Special Operations with different missions.
Watching this Video Depresses me,, I always wanted to end up in MARSOC. No other military group quite appealed to me as this one did. I really felt they made a difference. Just something about How new and fresh and innovative this group was just formed in 2006. All through Highschool I was planning on joining the Marines and going through the mmotions to attain membership in this elite group. But I ended up Tearing both My Labrums in my shoulders and ended up not being able to join,,
I was just messing around but yes they could film it in hostile territory they are there everyday operating, kicking ISIS in the teeth in Africa currently. That would be much better footage.
True they fureled the flag of 1st and 2nd force recon companies when they drained them to start up MARSOC in 2006. But 1st and 2nd recon battalions are still around and will always be. They even changed the designation of the delta companies in the battalions for "Force" Companies to do extreme long range recon for fleet marine force commanders. Just the direct action and fancy stuff are now MARSOC jobs. Force Recon is back to it's traditional role, deep reconnaissance.
that may possible but they mostly do exchange training not officially recruiting and good thing is now all of SOF's units are exchange training also know hot to play as teamwork with other SOF's unit. ForceRecon working their asses real hard to bring their Recon Indoc (loose of 7 years)
it's on their main website. just search marsoc on google and look at the critical skills operators. I know for sure is that they at least want you two serve at least 3 years or underwent 2 deployments. These are seasoned Marines not new boots coming in.
Agreed, fewer and fewer patriot ready and willing to put their lives on the line of our nation. Alas I tried to get into the Corp., had a injury pop up on my screening and didn't get in. Still love the Corp. and any other US Mil though.
I wanted to be in marsoc before but I couldn't swam for a long time or at all I've never walked with a big ass pack on my back. there just toooo hardcore for me so I turned it down a lot and looked at the 0311 rifleman side of things. still I've should have tried but I wanted to get into the military ASAP. never rush in live future marines.
I was reading that force recon and bttn recon are very similar... except towards the end where force recon candidates have to do more running/ rucking/ swimming... i can't remember where I heard that so I may be wrong
Your wrong, Force Recon Operators are Marines who do missions primarily for the Marine chain of command. MARSOC operators usually do missions for JSOC.
I read somewhere that marsoc a&s is much like army sf selection, and recon indoc is obviously on surviving the cut, and force recon is something entirely different, i dunno their process
I know I did two pumps to Afghanistan with Force. I was just referring to "Old" Force and what created MSOB. Force still does direct action, and as a MEU Force they still do VBSS. Just not as much funding now.
I know the attitude needed, my father was an Ranger for a while and my grandfather was SF during Vietnam. Sorry for calling you names, I just don't like people telling me what I can and can't be. And as for them being in JSOC, does that mean they'll be Tier 1?
driven critical thinkers hmmmm Ive adopted and developed this approach and application to my own thought processors and adaptation to thinking techniques functioning in my mind together with adaptation to the logic functioning of both sequential linguistic formulation and mathematical logic processing.
I am really interested in this, atm doin p90x, and I will be adding the MARSOC short-card schedule to my p90x schedule. I think when I join in January I'll go and apply for Inteligence specialist first, then Marsoc. atm just sharpening my physical endurance and working on my 3rd language (japanese) on my own.
Ok so the Water Stuff, Rappelling, and the Obstacle courses they do in Ranger School (61 days) are already done and out of the way in the Marine Corps bootcamp, so that leaves basic things like land navigation, rucking, running, training on other weapons, and tactics, etc. Which are all done in SOI (59 days). So how is it much harder than SOI considering some of the stuff in Ranger School is done in Marine Bootcamp?
Army Ranger school is a secondary MOS, not similar to an SOI school which is part of a basic 0311 infantrymans training. An example of a secondary MOS for a Marine is say Force Recon, Anti terrorism units, MARSOC, ect... Not one Marine Grunt did not graduate SOI prior to being in the Fleet Marine Force Where he can then put in to qualify for a secondary MOS like Recon,Seals, and many others.
I agree that the Army isn't that tough, but the guys I talk to are Airborne, they by no means take it easy. I guess you have a point though, I just hear stories of guys going in with a lot of muscle and then just losing it all, and it takes them months to get it back. Just stories though.
Marine is a fast small self sufficient force that attacks rapidly, just like the spartans from Greece or Rome, it is expeditionary meaning always sitting close to danger zones and looking for a fight...
NO actually we don't know what they are considered, all we know is that they're new to SOCOM. There hasn't been a lot of news about them. But for now I'm guessing they're Tier-3 with the rest of the SEALs and, army sf (green berets and what not). Tier-2 are actually supporting units of delta and dev-gru such as the 160th SOAR and the 75th rangers. The Tier system really is only there to help allocate funding with Tier-1 getting the most. Tier-1 could be any unit who is most suited for themission
Force Recon was special operation unit since back in Marine Raiders and Amphibious Reconnaissance Battalion was special operation force what do you think that ha read the book Fortune Favors The Brave (Col Bruce Meyer who was creating 1st force recon also my father and older brother was former recon marines)
If you ask me it would be exciting to get into MARSOC or try. Something brand new and exciting. Joining a new group while its still undergoing its evolution.
MFR working really hard to bring their Recon Indoc Program)looses of 7 years) which back in old MFR (separate like Battalion Reconnaissance and Force Reconnaissace Co.)
I know right, I feel ashamed of myself, all the times the Marines turned the tide of major battles, all the times the Marines came to the Army's rescue, all while using half the budget and equipment the Army has. Us poor Marines will never live up to the great name that is Army...
Air Force: SOWT and Air Liaisons, TACP Navy: SEALs, EOD, SWCC, AIRR, Divers Army: Rangers, Green Berets, Delta **MARINES**: MARSOC which is MARINE special operations command, anf Recon.
Recon is getting phased out btw, last I heard all the recon marines are making their way into MARSOC units so a recon contract might not be available anymore. Either way the best information you will get is from a recruiter, not youtube.
Probably the best military ad I’ve seen.
They had a better one with the stand by me by ki theory and they ruined it by taking it down. It was honestly my motivation to join until I was told I'm ineligible of service due to a criminal record I have. It's sad but I really enjoyed the motivation they had before they took it down
My friend got accepted into MARSOC, he said you have to be a superstar in everything, PT, and ASVAB scores, he said he was watched from the start. Badass
Uh huh
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@@Yourfavinsti lmao you definitely can
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I love reading all of these comments about which group is better than whom, when in reality if you get two operators together they have equal respect for each other because they are both members of the special forces community.
Austinnumber83 Exactly!
I feel like all are better than the other in a certain field, but none are better than the other all together.
Here here agreed 100% each force has its own talents & skills but every SOF is equal in the hard work they put out there for their country & branch
MARSOC is not Special Forces.
@@tacticalrecon7434 you must be new here.
I don't know what it is about this ad, but everytime I see it I feel like I can take on the world, I love it
"Always Faithful, Always Forward" - Stay safe
Hell yeah
I'm thinking/planning on joining the military, and seeing all the SOF gentlemen on youtube; how they're smart, tough, articulated, mature, and strong; I can't help but thinking thats a community I want to be a part of. I'm not even partial to a branch. These men are incredible
MARSOC is in the Marines. Marine Corps Special Operations Command
I love that they look like civilians that's my favorite thing about special forces is that you must blend in
In terms of the United States military, the only Special Forces is Army Special Forces, the rest are Special Operations units. Just thought I'd let you know!
The Air Force calls them Special Tactics . Puddle Jumpers, Combat Search & Rescue, Special Weather Observation Team , Combat Control Team , Tactical Air Control Party.
The Army's Special Forces include Delta Force & Green Berets.
All you have to do is show up for class everyday everyday 24/7 every waking moment don't ever stop don't ever surrender knowledge is the basis for winning and that's a damn good thing what a great foundation thank you
Thank you. Different roles, different mindsets, different units. Neither inherently superior to the other.
I love how all of you who have no technical expertise in the field are putting in your "two cents". If you have never experienced the Selection/training/operational tempo of SOF please don't try and educate those less privy to the field on something you know virtually nothing about. End of rant!
There are great resources out there to help better understand the training and operations. Though there is no substitute for actually going through the process of the respective training and the enduring of deployment cycles, people can educate themselves about it if their plan is to one day become a part of the military (especially in SOF). Dick Couch, a former Navy SEAL, writes many great books depicting what it is like to be a part of various SOF Units. And the book "Level Zero Heroes" focuses on MARSOC specifically. Videos can also be found depicting SFQS, BUD/S, and the like.
Yeah, stop that fake valor shit to.
i think they are the best and im not a marine. but i do study the military alot. i spend several hours each day. you dont understand marines until you are one. that goes for me as well. no body likes them but they give the most for this country. they get the toughest jobs and never quit and they dont expect an applause or recognition for their work. they fight for eachother
Speaking from being on the Army side and a general military history buff I've still never really gotten into arguing who is better. However, I say the advent of MARSOC is a HUGE deal for SOCOM and the USMC. If anything, I hope it brings the USMC back to its roots as being more of an expeditionary force instead of doing the nation building and peace keeping like the Army. I hope it gets the Corps a bigger piece of the funding pie.
To clarify some confusion among the difference between Marsoc and Force Recon Marines:
MARSOC Marines fall under the umbrella of SOCOM, and answer to them. This is why you see them without a fresh haircut, a different uniform, and often beards. They answer directly to SOCOM, but still are technically in the Marine Corps. They still perform the annual tasks required of Marines, for example the PFT, CFT, and rifle range. These Marines also undergo more extensive training than Recon Marines.
Force Recon Marines do not fall under SOCOM, they still answer directly to the Marine Corps. While not falling under SOCOM usually means that that unit is not Special Forces, Force Reconnaissance Marines do still have all of the skillsets and capabilities of a Special Forces unit. The only difference is the schooling time, and the fact of not falling under SOCOM.
The debate rages continuously about whether MARSOC or Recon training is harder, but the truth is both of them are going to destroy you physically. If you have the mental resolve to complete one of these schools, you can complete the other. A lot of MARSOC guys were prior Recon, and say that Recon was harder than Assessment and selection for MARSOC, the reason being that being a Recon Marine first gave them the skillsets and physical ability to pass MARSOC A/S very smoothly.
BRC is a different type of brutal. A&S is a gentleman’s course, they treat you like an adult, and there’s no penalty or shame in quitting. No external pressure, all the motivation to continue has to come from within.
Super Marines and superior, seasoned Special Operators of MARSOC Raider Regiment. Special and Elite, Chosen and Unique, World Class and Badass Battlefield Shooters and Special Operators. Semper Fidelis, Spiritus Invictus, Always Faithful Always Forward deployed downrange in action and active Combat Operations over and against all Enemies, both Foreign and Domestic. Ooh Rah United States Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command ( USMC MARSOC)!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🗽🔫⚔️🗡️💥🔥💀
Recon and MarSOC remain two separate entities. Recon is still focused on reconnaissance operations. MarSOC, however, is essentially the Marine version of the Army's Special Forces (aka Green Berets). They do see plenty of combat.
i don't give a shit what you say marsoc is hard. we got the privilege to be on stand by for these guys.
your service is never forgotten
Best recruiting ad ever. Well done
Marsoc are dope! something i would definitely strive for if i were a marine. BUTT!. Army Rangers all the way. 75th Ranger Regiment
" Always Faithful Always Forward Semper Fidelis Spirictus Invictus". MARSOC: " Today Will Be Different Because The Only Easy Day Was Yesterday."
Everybody wants to be a New England Patriot,when in fact, mostly everyone is a Cleveland Brown. Many are Marines, but few can be a MARSOC Raider.
My brother is a marsoc member! I'm really proud of him.
Same
The Army's "Delta Force"(1st SFOD-D) which is an Elite Tier 1 unit get's 75% of it's recruits from the 75th Ranger Regiment which is a part of USASOC. And most Ranger's also have regular Army Infantry experience as well. Ranger's are special Operations and highly experienced and only the best are selected for Delta.
That was a simply hardcore video. God bless.
FR are joined JSOC&SOCOM in 2010 for their mission capability and equipment
MARSOC is the definition of elite of the elite. Ooh-rah!
OOHRAH TO THAT BROTHER
'' Therefore, just as water retains no constant shape, so in warfare there are no constant conditions.'' Sun Tzu
6 years till enilistment. I can't wait. Then I go for my dream job of Marsoc Scout Sniper. Wish me luck in this journey.
Recon start training now
It’s been 2 years can we get an update? 😅
See ya in there
because of Rumsfeld(I am not a big fan of him). in 2010 they did join part of SOCOM-JSOC community playing joint ops and MARSOC doing the great job with Force.
Unfortunately just when The Corps finally gets its DA Unit the good old government starts hitting them with budget cuts. Very unfortunate, but at least it will drive away all the kids who think they can be the next Rambo and who want the latest and greatest tech. Send in the real Spartans!
Respect -From an 82nd Airborne FISTer
Those are the new Crye G3 combat uniforms. Marsoc ordered them in traditional woodland. Same uniform as all the other SOF but just in woodland.
Someone once said " So MARSOC thinks their SEALS now?"
Umm nah homie mark my words MARSOC WILL BE ONE OF THE WORLDS MOST FEARED SF UNITS
I signed up for 0311 infantry, I've done two tours, I wanted my MOS, you can google School of Infantry Marine Corps, and look at the training pipeline for specifics, I'm sure it's changed a lot, especially now that women are allowed, but I highly recommend you read your constitution before swearing an oath to it.
I love how every person who comments knows what the life of a JSOC operator consist of. fucking amazing
SEMPER FIDELIS AND SPIRITUS INVICTUS SUPERINTENSIFIED, MARSOC MAGNIFIED!!🇺🇸🦅🗽🪂💣💥
They had an older video with the stand by me by ki theory over the video. He was a really motivating video
I'm right there with you Gents...
Their is a tier 1 element of marsoc in the pipeline. They are keeping it hush hush. In the publicly released marine spending files, there's a lot of money going to marsoc SMU program. All the units in JSOC are called SMU's special mission units
I wasn't saying that's my opinion, just saying a lot of people love them and will still use em today. I do like the newer FROG suits the best so far. I have a feeling we won't get anything better for a while.
Oliver North did a show in Afghanistan which shed light on a dual command combining Army SF and MARSOC. I've heard Army SF and MARSOC have very close working relationship similar to Army DF and DEVGRU. I can't post the link to the show, but you can search for it easily enough.
Are there exchange tours with Army SF or British SAS? I know the Army Green Berets have been working very closely with MARSOC to help them develop some of their training and support them operationally.
RASP is designed to prepare soldiers, many of whom have just graduated Basic Training, Advanced Individual Training, and Airborne School and are still considered "fresh" for assignment to the 75th Ranger Regiment.
SOI is the second stage of initial military training for enlisted Marines after Recruit Training.Marines with the MOS infantry are trained at the Infantry Training Battalion,all non-infantry Marines are trained in basic infantry combat skills at the Marine Combat Training Battalion.
This is a good debate and one can understand how easy it is to argue to sides. Valid points are that Force SOF organic to the Corps, because Chesty Puller wanted the ability to utilize a unit who was "Special Operations Capable" and who did not operate under the umbrella of SOCOM. When MARSOC is in theatre it operates under the directive of SOCOM. Hence it does not answer to the conventional Marine Corps. Endstate: Force & MARSOC=Special Operations with different missions.
Watching this Video Depresses me,, I always wanted to end up in MARSOC. No other military group quite appealed to me as this one did. I really felt they made a difference. Just something about How new and fresh and innovative this group was just formed in 2006. All through Highschool I was planning on joining the Marines and going through the mmotions to attain membership in this elite group. But I ended up Tearing both My Labrums in my shoulders and ended up not being able to join,,
Keep going. I have a broken ankle and adhd and I was able to get waivers.
Make every recruiter in America tell you know
Make every single approval aithority tell you no before you stop
you have be joined the battalion recon finish 4 year contract recon and you can either applied or marsoc will pick you up mostly
Today will be different...in the jungles of North Carolina!!! Love Marsoc but video looked like it was filmed at Camp Lejeune.
I was just messing around but yes they could film it in hostile territory they are there everyday operating, kicking ISIS in the teeth in Africa currently. That would be much better footage.
True they fureled the flag of 1st and 2nd force recon companies when they drained them to start up MARSOC in 2006. But 1st and 2nd recon battalions are still around and will always be. They even changed the designation of the delta companies in the battalions for "Force" Companies to do extreme long range recon for fleet marine force commanders. Just the direct action and fancy stuff are now MARSOC jobs. Force Recon is back to it's traditional role, deep reconnaissance.
This is what I want for my feature.
no, recon marines were initially recruited to become MARSOC operators when everything was getting started but recon is a separate group
that may possible but they mostly do exchange training not officially recruiting and good thing is now all of SOF's units are exchange training also know hot to play as teamwork with other SOF's unit. ForceRecon working their asses real hard to bring their Recon Indoc (loose of 7 years)
US Army 101st PSD, went on to a cav scout unit later in 09. Nothing high speed, but yes mike, you are not the only vet on youtube lol
it's on their main website. just search marsoc on google and look at the critical skills operators. I know for sure is that they at least want you two serve at least 3 years or underwent 2 deployments. These are seasoned Marines not new boots coming in.
They usually get the high profile missions, therefore more attention.
there are reserve units like any other mos, but if you dont live up to the requirements your contract can always be changed
Thanks to Larry Vickers who was Former Delta Force Operator taught Detachment-One (MARSOC) instagram.com/p/5qjtGaIoH0/
yep right behind MarSoc and Force Recon
Recon is being phased out tho, but a lot of them are making their way into MARSOC units.
also 1st Force Recon are the only individual company that working with other SF units...
Wow beautifully filmed!!
Agreed, fewer and fewer patriot ready and willing to put their lives on the line of our nation. Alas I tried to get into the Corp., had a injury pop up on my screening and didn't get in. Still love the Corp. and any other US Mil though.
I wanted to be in marsoc before but I couldn't swam for a long time or at all I've never walked with a big ass pack on my back. there just toooo hardcore for me so I turned it down a lot and looked at the 0311 rifleman side of things. still I've should have tried but I wanted to get into the military ASAP. never rush in live future marines.
I was reading that force recon and bttn recon are very similar... except towards the end where force recon candidates have to do more running/ rucking/ swimming... i can't remember where I heard that so I may be wrong
Ranger school is just to get in Rangers.75th Ranger is SOF and part of SOCOM.So if I'm not wrong 75th Ranger have a different selection process.
bro before navy seal and DEVGRU and SFOD-D there was Force Recon and they were doing the IHR mission
Your wrong, Force Recon Operators are Marines who do missions primarily for the Marine chain of command. MARSOC operators usually do missions for JSOC.
You dont have to be captain to apply for MARSOC screening,check the Marines website
I read somewhere that marsoc a&s is much like army sf selection, and recon indoc is obviously on surviving the cut, and force recon is something entirely different, i dunno their process
So are Army Special Forces and Airforce PJ's, there are a lot of special forces, they each have different missions and specialties though.
I know I did two pumps to Afghanistan with Force. I was just referring to "Old" Force and what created MSOB. Force still does direct action, and as a MEU Force they still do VBSS. Just not as much funding now.
stone bay, home of the new ricky racoon... i'd hate to have to go through all that traffic to qualify at the range now...
By the way, Merry Christmas brother and Happy New Years.
I know the attitude needed, my father was an Ranger for a while and my grandfather was SF during Vietnam. Sorry for calling you names, I just don't like people telling me what I can and can't be. And as for them being in JSOC, does that mean they'll be Tier 1?
1st force recon did joint special operation with other SOF. force recon has their own league
That depends on what you're looking for in the military. If you have to ask that question, chances are you are looking to join the Army.
driven critical thinkers hmmmm Ive adopted and developed this approach and application to my own thought processors and adaptation to thinking techniques functioning in my mind together with adaptation to the logic functioning of both sequential linguistic formulation and mathematical logic processing.
I am really interested in this, atm doin p90x, and I will be adding the MARSOC short-card schedule to my p90x schedule. I think when I join in January I'll go and apply for Inteligence specialist first, then Marsoc. atm just sharpening my physical endurance and working on my 3rd language (japanese) on my own.
Ok so the Water Stuff, Rappelling, and the Obstacle courses they do in Ranger School (61 days) are already done and out of the way in the Marine Corps bootcamp, so that leaves basic things like land navigation, rucking, running, training on other weapons, and tactics, etc. Which are all done in SOI (59 days). So how is it much harder than SOI considering some of the stuff in Ranger School is done in Marine Bootcamp?
they are part of JSOC bro with force recon
No they are still around there are 2 types of Recon in the USMC
I can't talk to a recruiter apparently, I went there, and the guy there said I have to be at least 17 to talk to them.
Tier one is Delta Force, DEVGRU, and I believe 24th special tactics
Army Ranger school is a secondary MOS, not similar to an SOI school which is part of a basic 0311 infantrymans training. An example of a secondary MOS for a Marine is say Force Recon, Anti terrorism units, MARSOC, ect... Not one Marine Grunt did not graduate SOI prior to being in the Fleet Marine Force Where he can then put in to qualify for a secondary MOS like Recon,Seals, and many others.
nice to see they have accepted the magpul c clamp grip at 3:00
I agree that the Army isn't that tough, but the guys I talk to are Airborne, they by no means take it easy. I guess you have a point though, I just hear stories of guys going in with a lot of muscle and then just losing it all, and it takes them months to get it back. Just stories though.
Marine is a fast small self sufficient force that attacks rapidly, just like the spartans from Greece or Rome, it is expeditionary meaning always sitting close to danger zones and looking for a fight...
NO actually we don't know what they are considered, all we know is that they're new to SOCOM. There hasn't been a lot of news about them. But for now I'm guessing they're Tier-3 with the rest of the SEALs and, army sf (green berets and what not). Tier-2 are actually supporting units of delta and dev-gru such as the 160th SOAR and the 75th rangers. The Tier system really is only there to help allocate funding with Tier-1 getting the most. Tier-1 could be any unit who is most suited for themission
@James Cope marines or navy is the question for me.
Force Recon was special operation unit since back in Marine Raiders and Amphibious Reconnaissance Battalion was special operation force what do you think that ha read the book Fortune Favors The Brave (Col Bruce Meyer who was creating 1st force recon also my father and older brother was former recon marines)
Force Recon is SO-capable, but not actually an SOF. That is why MarSOC was formed.
If you ask me it would be exciting to get into MARSOC or try. Something brand new and exciting. Joining a new group while its still undergoing its evolution.
MFR working really hard to bring their Recon Indoc Program)looses of 7 years) which back in old MFR (separate like Battalion Reconnaissance and Force Reconnaissace Co.)
I really don't know, because infantry/cav/forward observers should already know that stuff, it's a tough course focused on leadership.
I know right, I feel ashamed of myself, all the times the Marines turned the tide of major battles, all the times the Marines came to the Army's rescue, all while using half the budget and equipment the Army has. Us poor Marines will never live up to the great name that is Army...
PJs, Delta Force, Navy Seal, SWCC, MARSOC - anyone else want a special force?
my father is in marsoc. man is a bloody genius
MarSoc for life! Go ahead!
force recon still marine chain of command but they join part of SOCOM and JSOC bro!
Air Force: SOWT and Air Liaisons, TACP
Navy: SEALs, EOD, SWCC, AIRR, Divers
Army: Rangers, Green Berets, Delta
**MARINES**: MARSOC which is MARINE special operations command, anf Recon.
Recon is getting phased out btw, last I heard all the recon marines are making their way into MARSOC units so a recon contract might not be available anymore. Either way the best information you will get is from a recruiter, not youtube.