The reason it seems that the Real farmers haven't directed their frustration towards corporate land owners is because it's yet another case of Billionaires convincing millionaires that tenant farmers and small holdings are going to be adversely affected.
Jeremy Clarkson. The indestructible floater in Britain’s cultural toilet, forever circling the bowl of controversy. From Meghan Markle rants to tax-dodging tractors, he’s the gift that keeps on giving-if your idea of a gift is something that stinks and refuses to disappear.
When he said it was for “shooting”, you could just see it in his eyes how stupid he thought that comment was. I think he does represent the people that aspire to be him, a bit like the talking points of the daily mail. I was watching Jeremy Vine earlier (don't ask why), but it did seem like there was also a bit of resistance towards him, too. I'm not sure if that was because Owen Jones was on, but I think people are questioning his wealth and with the amount of bile he's spewed, it does start to stack up. Again, not inherently representative of the population and his shows are very popular. The press just needs to stop treating him like a hero!
My dad and stepmum ran a small organic farm for years, you’re absolutely right about supermarkets, they have put huge numbers of smaller farms out of business, causing a lot of suicides. I absolutely loathe how socially corrosive Clarkson has been his entire career
I really feel for the smaller family farmers. It’s bludy hard work and then to have flipping buffoons like Clarkson and Farage as spokespeople. It’s a double edged sword. I was a bit agog when you said “nationalise supermarkets” I’ll have to mull that over. Radical man! 😅
Most farmers wont even be affected by this change! They aren't marching to protect "small family farmers" - they are marching to protect wealthy, non-farmers like Clarkson who only bought the farm to avoid inheritance tax.
@@DrJoeLovelace Not my sausage surely :( it's only a small chipolata lol. But beyond that I'm all for new ideas in food retailing. In some cases they're not really that new after all, as the co-op was originally a good model for an ethical co-operative model of food and grocery supply which still retains some of it's original ethos even if it has been battered by 50+ years of free market price gouging bollocks. Still the only bank that gets my money (however little that may be lol)
Why people wont find out for themselves what this inheritance tax is all about is beyond me. I have absolutely no sympathy for the mainly brexit-voting farmers who have basically reaped what they have sown. Only affects farms worth more than £3 Million, they have to pay half of what anyone else liable for inheritance tax have to pay, and they get 10 years interest free to pay. I have never seen a skint farmer. Where was the outcry when disability benefits were being cut, or when income support was cut straight after covid? It seems to me to be a case of "F**k you jack, I'm OK" until I'm not OK.
Farmers are paid far less on average than nurses. Whatever you think of the changes in IHT, these guys grow and rear the food on your table. The contempt for them shown by the left because they voted differently to you is disgusting.
I don't know how I entirely feel about this debate. I support the independent farmers and want them to succeed but I'm not sure inheritance tax is the best root to tackle. I'd rather Labour goes after the supermarkets and corporate farming as they are killing the industry.
I see what you mean. It does seem like this inheritance tax will hit the corporate farming industry, as James Dyson is one example where he will have to pay a decent amount. The question is that number of smaller farms. Both groups are playing a bit of the misinformation game, so we can't determine how many farms will be affected. Is it the best route to go? Maybe not. I still want it in as its going to hit those who have the most money the hardest. However, I also think the primary focus should be on the supermarkets and their supply chains. They have completely gotten away with it!
One video I'd really love to see is a discussion of the various leftists orgs in the UK, and the pros and cons of each. I really struggled to find any advice when I came to pick between them myself. That would (hopefully) also encourage people to take that first step.
I shall give it a go! There will be a video coming out over the weekend slightly detailing my political journey, but I think its good to break them down. I try to be careful not to slander the left too much, as I think we are better united than divided but there are some groups I think highly of, and others to stay far away from 😂 great suggestion! Thank you.
Oh yeah! My dad was very active in the militant and the socialist appeal, but I also know ex-SWP. It may be slightly biased based on which side of the split (dad was a supporter of Grant, and in turn so am I 😂). But I'll try to be fair.
@@DrJoeLovelace There was a big difference fundamentally with SWP and Militant which led to all the in fighting.Many on the outside could not figure the difference between Marx and Trotsky, we should have all just gone back to Russia as I was often told when explaining this😂
There are so many it's overwhelming. The main issue with all of them is sectarianism. My personal advise is to pick one with meetings near you and connect with he people there. They will likely chat shit about the other groups which fuels sectarianism. Don't become sectarian. Please.
We could call it Blightyton Farm and have a nice flag on the label. Socialism maybe but if we can spin it as a form National Socialism surely everybody will be on board? You may say I'm a dreamer...
The inheritance tax is a bad idea, it will make corporate farming worse. It will give them a leg up on family owned farms as a corporation doesn't have to worry about inheritance. This tax is bad for family farms full stop.
Is your reasoning for nationalising farms purely ideological? Would you go a step further and advocate for collectivism? I'd like to believe that nationalising corrupt industries is usually a preferrable option, but not sure how to argue in favour of it. PS: Great video from a small channel, hope to see your content and audience grow :)
There is an ideology, of course. But it's also reasonably practical for small farms. A term I had in the script before being cut is *big farmer* and the supermarket class makes small farming unsustainable. Once it's in public ownership, we must immediately move towards collectivism as a transition so that the benefits can be felt for small farms. We would work hand in hand to get goods produced whilst also relying more on small farms to produce and holding off the big farms, only to give them the resources small farms need to be sustainable. I forgot to mention in the video that their subsidies far outweigh them making a profit. It has become unsustainable for farmers at the moment. That's why giving them the chance, whilst putting regulations in place so they cannot become big farms themselves, is the best way to keep going and maintain a living. I have no idea if any of that makes sense, but I ultimately agree with what you are saying.
@@DrJoeLovelace Hmmm. I can't say I am convinced of your argument to "nationalise the farms so that we can immediately implement collectivist farming" given that only 1 or 2 countries have had success with that style of farming, and many countries were led to famine by blindly applying ideology to industry like that. There’s no getting around the inefficiencies of collective farming, it seems. Vietnam is a great case study, it had the backing of the Soviet Union and the CCP to implement a communist economy but still dropped collectivism within 10 years of its implementation due to a growing food shortage, which quickly changed into a food surplus after the “Doi Moi” reforms were introduced.
@@tomekjz america had collectivist farming for all their 'freedom' the gave free land to white settlers to do the farming and paid them for the crops, even in the 80s Reagan had 'government cheese' initiative to do something with all the government subsidised milk. I support nationalising large industrial farms, subsidising small farmers so people get access to real food but I dont support nationalising supermarkets, as long as there is competition and break up any monopolies that stop competition/mergers that would stop competition
I’m curious if you have any thoughts on the roles and rights of the animals in conversations around farming? Farmed animals globally outnumber humans and wild animals larger than a mouse, which is a lot of lives brought into existence in order to suffer before being ultimately cut short. Particularly with the negative impact that the expansion of industrial meat production and consumption is having on the environment and health in developed countries, I think this is an important topic to unpack and really think through, and I feel like many people on the left are kind of averse to the conversation.
I agree. Though I think again, much of this has to do with mega-farms creating an industry where a mass amount of animals are slaughtered for profit. I am pretty hostile to the meat industry. I wouldn't oppose small farms doing livestock, but the meat industrial complex should be gone. They are the biggest polluter of them all and also highly exploitative not only of the animals but also of other humans as they pay migrant workers such little wages and are pretty abusive towards them (as mentioned towards the latter end of the video). I should have discussed it in this video. I started to run a bit out of time. I will say that the agricultural writing of scholars and analysts has been relatively weak regarding data. Partly because much of the industry is hidden, I also think we don't talk about agriculture enough on the left!
@ gotta say, I really appreciate your thoughtful response here. I consider myself an advocate for animal rights as well as human rights, and I personally feel like the idea that we have the right to own and exploit the other innocent beings we’re share to share the planet with actually lies at the root of a lot of peoples problematic and reactionary thought patterns. If you like reading, I really recommend “Eternal Treblinka” and “The Sexual Politics of Meat” to get into this stuff a bit more, but it’s well worth learning about. IMO, animal rights is a fundamental missing plank in a lot of leftist and environmentalist discourse - most people have very ignorant and untrue views about animals, how they’re treated, and how they’re different from us.
So the UK is risking wiping out 28%-34% of UK farms? As conglomerates don't pay inheritance tax, this seems like it'll reduce the number of small to medium farmers but not affect large businesses and conglomerates
The farmers brought themseves down. They voted overwhelmingly in favour of Brexit, after being told the consequences. It's a bit of bad luck. As for inheritance tax, that only existed since the 1984. Why should farmers be exempt when others are not? It's just a tax haven for the likes of Clarkson and co. Either fund your public services, or don't tax farmers.
The farmers should realise that many people would be lucky to own assets to that value particularly the young these farmers are landed gentry in our eye the issue is the price of land and property must be forced down
@@stevenpeaketrainsandstuff3682 I remember reading a statistic that went something like "the general population voted 52% in favour of brexit, farmers voted 53% in favour". It wasn't overwhelming compared to the rest of the population.
The reason it seems that the Real farmers haven't directed their frustration towards corporate land owners is because it's yet another case of Billionaires convincing millionaires that tenant farmers and small holdings are going to be adversely affected.
Small holdings will be affected. You clearly don't understand the value of land.
Ironically Mr Clarkson made most of his wealth out of the BBC and in turn TV license fees
I will never understand how people can never see they're being played by these corporate overlords, celebrities, and politicians.
You're being played. Starmer is at a land grab. He wants to sell the land to his mates at BlackRock.
Jeremy Clarkson. The indestructible floater in Britain’s cultural toilet, forever circling the bowl of controversy. From Meghan Markle rants to tax-dodging tractors, he’s the gift that keeps on giving-if your idea of a gift is something that stinks and refuses to disappear.
The guy from top gear? I’m American so I’m not so familiar with him but his top gear clips were always funny
It absolutely amazes me that so many people can't see through Clarkson. He's been caught out in so many lies.
When he said it was for “shooting”, you could just see it in his eyes how stupid he thought that comment was. I think he does represent the people that aspire to be him, a bit like the talking points of the daily mail.
I was watching Jeremy Vine earlier (don't ask why), but it did seem like there was also a bit of resistance towards him, too. I'm not sure if that was because Owen Jones was on, but I think people are questioning his wealth and with the amount of bile he's spewed, it does start to stack up. Again, not inherently representative of the population and his shows are very popular. The press just needs to stop treating him like a hero!
It doesn't matter about the lies, they like the characters/agree with their views, so they don't care...
My dad and stepmum ran a small organic farm for years, you’re absolutely right about supermarkets, they have put huge numbers of smaller farms out of business, causing a lot of suicides.
I absolutely loathe how socially corrosive Clarkson has been his entire career
Tyson Paul rematch on Clarkson’s Farm?? Winner gets Jezza’s inheritance!
With how much he might have to pay now, I think both will try to concede 😂
This guy gets it, why is the rest of the media landscape having so much trouble?
I really feel for the smaller family farmers. It’s bludy hard work and then to have flipping buffoons like Clarkson and Farage as spokespeople. It’s a double edged sword.
I was a bit agog when you said “nationalise supermarkets” I’ll have to mull that over.
Radical man! 😅
I’ll nationalise everything. Even the sausages 😂
Most farmers wont even be affected by this change! They aren't marching to protect "small family farmers" - they are marching to protect wealthy, non-farmers like Clarkson who only bought the farm to avoid inheritance tax.
@@DrJoeLovelace Not my sausage surely :( it's only a small chipolata lol. But beyond that I'm all for new ideas in food retailing. In some cases they're not really that new after all, as the co-op was originally a good model for an ethical co-operative model of food and grocery supply which still retains some of it's original ethos even if it has been battered by 50+ years of free market price gouging bollocks. Still the only bank that gets my money (however little that may be lol)
Who else is speaking for them? The left clearly isn't.. the left wants them taxed.
Mr Dyson is now "hoovering" up the farming industry
Why people wont find out for themselves what this inheritance tax is all about is beyond me. I have absolutely no sympathy for the mainly brexit-voting farmers who have basically reaped what they have sown. Only affects farms worth more than £3 Million, they have to pay half of what anyone else liable for inheritance tax have to pay, and they get 10 years interest free to pay. I have never seen a skint farmer. Where was the outcry when disability benefits were being cut, or when income support was cut straight after covid? It seems to me to be a case of "F**k you jack, I'm OK" until I'm not OK.
Farmers are paid far less on average than nurses. Whatever you think of the changes in IHT, these guys grow and rear the food on your table. The contempt for them shown by the left because they voted differently to you is disgusting.
I don't know how I entirely feel about this debate. I support the independent farmers and want them to succeed but I'm not sure inheritance tax is the best root to tackle.
I'd rather Labour goes after the supermarkets and corporate farming as they are killing the industry.
I see what you mean. It does seem like this inheritance tax will hit the corporate farming industry, as James Dyson is one example where he will have to pay a decent amount. The question is that number of smaller farms. Both groups are playing a bit of the misinformation game, so we can't determine how many farms will be affected.
Is it the best route to go? Maybe not. I still want it in as its going to hit those who have the most money the hardest. However, I also think the primary focus should be on the supermarkets and their supply chains. They have completely gotten away with it!
One video I'd really love to see is a discussion of the various leftists orgs in the UK, and the pros and cons of each. I really struggled to find any advice when I came to pick between them myself. That would (hopefully) also encourage people to take that first step.
I shall give it a go! There will be a video coming out over the weekend slightly detailing my political journey, but I think its good to break them down.
I try to be careful not to slander the left too much, as I think we are better united than divided but there are some groups I think highly of, and others to stay far away from 😂 great suggestion! Thank you.
@@DrJoeLovelace can't wait..will you be talking about Militant and the SWP during the heyday of the 80's left activism?
Oh yeah! My dad was very active in the militant and the socialist appeal, but I also know ex-SWP. It may be slightly biased based on which side of the split (dad was a supporter of Grant, and in turn so am I 😂). But I'll try to be fair.
@@DrJoeLovelace There was a big difference fundamentally with SWP and Militant which led to all the in fighting.Many on the outside could not figure the difference between Marx and Trotsky, we should have all just gone back to Russia as I was often told when explaining this😂
There are so many it's overwhelming. The main issue with all of them is sectarianism. My personal advise is to pick one with meetings near you and connect with he people there.
They will likely chat shit about the other groups which fuels sectarianism.
Don't become sectarian. Please.
We could call it Blightyton Farm and have a nice flag on the label. Socialism maybe but if we can spin it as a form National Socialism surely everybody will be on board? You may say I'm a dreamer...
The inheritance tax is a bad idea, it will make corporate farming worse. It will give them a leg up on family owned farms as a corporation doesn't have to worry about inheritance. This tax is bad for family farms full stop.
If there is ever a more meaningless criticism of this change its that its gonna make 'corporate farming worse.'
Is your reasoning for nationalising farms purely ideological? Would you go a step further and advocate for collectivism? I'd like to believe that nationalising corrupt industries is usually a preferrable option, but not sure how to argue in favour of it.
PS: Great video from a small channel, hope to see your content and audience grow :)
There is an ideology, of course. But it's also reasonably practical for small farms. A term I had in the script before being cut is *big farmer* and the supermarket class makes small farming unsustainable. Once it's in public ownership, we must immediately move towards collectivism as a transition so that the benefits can be felt for small farms. We would work hand in hand to get goods produced whilst also relying more on small farms to produce and holding off the big farms, only to give them the resources small farms need to be sustainable.
I forgot to mention in the video that their subsidies far outweigh them making a profit. It has become unsustainable for farmers at the moment. That's why giving them the chance, whilst putting regulations in place so they cannot become big farms themselves, is the best way to keep going and maintain a living. I have no idea if any of that makes sense, but I ultimately agree with what you are saying.
@@DrJoeLovelace Hmmm. I can't say I am convinced of your argument to "nationalise the farms so that we can immediately implement collectivist farming" given that only 1 or 2 countries have had success with that style of farming, and many countries were led to famine by blindly applying ideology to industry like that. There’s no getting around the inefficiencies of collective farming, it seems. Vietnam is a great case study, it had the backing of the Soviet Union and the CCP to implement a communist economy but still dropped collectivism within 10 years of its implementation due to a growing food shortage, which quickly changed into a food surplus after the “Doi Moi” reforms were introduced.
@@tomekjz america had collectivist farming for all their 'freedom' the gave free land to white settlers to do the farming and paid them for the crops, even in the 80s Reagan had 'government cheese' initiative to do something with all the government subsidised milk. I support nationalising large industrial farms, subsidising small farmers so people get access to real food but I dont support nationalising supermarkets, as long as there is competition and break up any monopolies that stop competition/mergers that would stop competition
I’m curious if you have any thoughts on the roles and rights of the animals in conversations around farming? Farmed animals globally outnumber humans and wild animals larger than a mouse, which is a lot of lives brought into existence in order to suffer before being ultimately cut short. Particularly with the negative impact that the expansion of industrial meat production and consumption is having on the environment and health in developed countries, I think this is an important topic to unpack and really think through, and I feel like many people on the left are kind of averse to the conversation.
I agree. Though I think again, much of this has to do with mega-farms creating an industry where a mass amount of animals are slaughtered for profit. I am pretty hostile to the meat industry.
I wouldn't oppose small farms doing livestock, but the meat industrial complex should be gone. They are the biggest polluter of them all and also highly exploitative not only of the animals but also of other humans as they pay migrant workers such little wages and are pretty abusive towards them (as mentioned towards the latter end of the video).
I should have discussed it in this video. I started to run a bit out of time. I will say that the agricultural writing of scholars and analysts has been relatively weak regarding data. Partly because much of the industry is hidden, I also think we don't talk about agriculture enough on the left!
@ gotta say, I really appreciate your thoughtful response here. I consider myself an advocate for animal rights as well as human rights, and I personally feel like the idea that we have the right to own and exploit the other innocent beings we’re share to share the planet with actually lies at the root of a lot of peoples problematic and reactionary thought patterns. If you like reading, I really recommend “Eternal Treblinka” and “The Sexual Politics of Meat” to get into this stuff a bit more, but it’s well worth learning about. IMO, animal rights is a fundamental missing plank in a lot of leftist and environmentalist discourse - most people have very ignorant and untrue views about animals, how they’re treated, and how they’re different from us.
So the UK is risking wiping out 28%-34% of UK farms?
As conglomerates don't pay inheritance tax, this seems like it'll reduce the number of small to medium farmers but not affect large businesses and conglomerates
Thank fuck I enjoy binge watching 👀
Favourite socialist theorist?
Have a guess.
@@DrJoeLovelace Marx or Trotsky
Both. Though I think Engels was a better writer than Marx.
@@DrJoeLovelace Engels was a better writer for sure yeah
What about yourself?
Clarkson is awfull but I agree with Stewart Lee that Richard "the hamster"Hammond is even more disgusting
Yeah, I don't like Hammond either. He's got a bad track sheet.
@DrJoeLovelace yeah and he's not really a hamster
The farmers brought themseves down. They voted overwhelmingly in favour of Brexit, after being told the consequences. It's a bit of bad luck. As for inheritance tax, that only existed since the 1984. Why should farmers be exempt when others are not? It's just a tax haven for the likes of Clarkson and co. Either fund your public services, or don't tax farmers.
The farmers should realise that many people would be lucky to own assets to that value particularly the young these farmers are landed gentry in our eye the issue is the price of land and property must be forced down
What the hell are you on about. They didn’t overwhelmingly vote for brexit
@@sionhughes9044 The farmers living in England did.
@@stevenpeaketrainsandstuff3682 I remember reading a statistic that went something like "the general population voted 52% in favour of brexit, farmers voted 53% in favour". It wasn't overwhelming compared to the rest of the population.