Josh i can't tell you how much i love getting to hear the story of Billy the Kid in the way only you could tell it!! Your the man so keep em coming and i owe you a coffee or 3
Excellent as always sir! It always has amazed me how Tunstall always has gotten such a pass, when in fact he was just as much of a crook as Murphy and co were. It’s just that Tunstall wasn’t around long enough to implement his plan.
Right? I'm just a nobody who reads a lot, but imho Tunstall was pathological, fixated on his sister among other things, and his parents probably sent him to Victoria to get him out of the house.
Glad ur doing one on the kid I live in billy country.fam been here ranching since 1870. I heard that it wasn't a lightning or a thunder but a rainmaker the unicorn of colt double action. But idk highly unlikely.
@@wadetaylor1299 I know if it did ever show up and could be tied to him it probably be a 2 to 3 million dollar gun. But like I said it highly unlikely.
@@McDanielRanch right it would be a big price tag ya never know could show up but doubt it. Thanks for sharing that again I never heard that had heard he had lighting or thunder sum say a peacemaker also.
If I ever find myself in a situation where I am going to be hanged I am going to spend the last day drinking as much water as I can. When the time comes I’ll request to not to wear a hood and when the trap is sprung I’ll leap vertically. The extra fall combined with the additional water weight will hopefully be enough to pop my head off and give the crowd a show to remember. Yeah. I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about this.
Thanks for the excellent coverage of the Lincoln County NM. Did religious prejudice and hostility between Protestants and Roman Catholics play a factor in the Lincoln County War? Being that many of the players were immigrants or first generation from Ireland and England.
@@WildWestExtravaganza It seems probable to me since McSween is a Scottish surname and Tunstall was English. Dolan-Murphy gang being Irish might have carried hostilities from the old country. It is interesting that they used the name “Regulators” for their gang’s handle. I believe that title comes from the English Civil War where units of the New Model Army used the same name.
Howdy Josh, great episode. Wasn't there a photo of Billy recently authenticated? He appeared to be at a social function. I'll see if I can find it but I remember there being a big deal about it after it was authenticated.
Howdy RD. Thank you! I emailed you back but just to answer here as well, that croquet photo hasn't actually been authenticated...at least not to the best of my knowledge. I'm going to try to put out a short episode this weekend or maybe on Monday that will explain more.
"I'm not sure in what capacity but I'm pretty sure it had something to do with watchin cows sh*t," this is probably my favorite quote from this channel and the funniest way I've ever heard a cowboy occupation described. Stay sober and kudos on the channel. Love your episodes so keep em going. You have a knack for bringing history to life.
U do not have to be good looking to be a lady’s man! Personality, charisma, n reputation go a lot further than looks. Not to mention every woman loves a bad boy n with Billy not only being a G being young while able to handle himself around men twice his age that where hard/battle tested ,well like my late grandmother would of said “ Billy the Kid would have been the cats meow!!!!”
Ok, hear me out. If we're going to entertain the whole vampire thing, I think, considering Billy's close proximity to Roswell we're gonna have to consider whether or not he might have been an ET. Not saying he was an alien, but it would explain the whole small hands thing. 🤔
If Billy got that photo taken at the fort there had to be a photographer there right? So it's not unreasonable to think there could have been a photographer there when he was killed? Yes/no? Even Tombstone had a photographer at the time ..
The population of Tombstone was 2000 verses not even 300 in Fort Sumner. Also, Fort Sumner didn't even have a doctor, much less a photographer. Per Paulita Maxwell, it was a traveling photographer and he took Billy's picture in front of Beaver's saloon.
I don't think we can go off the picture of him, in my experience not to brag especially nowadays! Haha but I've been very lucky when it comes to female company, from my early teens to my late 20s I've had multiple girls tell me how gorgeous I am, weather I was walking out of a store they was walking in or I would be chilling on the block and girls drive by and stop to say something. 😂😂😂 but I say all that to say this. If you have never met me or saw me in person, but saw only pictures of me!! Lmfao. You would think I was slow minded! Haha! Let's just say i would never have any luck on a dating app. 😂😂😂 so I could easily see this happening to me if all that was left of me was a single picture
I wanna know who sold tunstill the land he built his store on in Lincoln..I thought Dolan and Murphy ran shit in Lincoln why would they allow that to happen
Most people don’t know this but New Mexico is the only state in the US that has a bilingual state constitution and all official state laws and edicts have to bilingual as well.
Interesting “Billy” in the picture is not wearing spurs, boots don’t seem dusty either, face does not seem sunburn as would if he wore that hat riding.
@@WildWestExtravaganzawell per your superbly investigated post has detailed, he’s in Las Vegas, a minor celebrity, in a town that had photographers as early as the 1820’s, in a jail, totally open to questioning and photographing by the press. Yet in a smaller town, he, just on a whim, poses for a photo. As well, you’ve found out, the photo does not match descriptions in dress or physical stature. But, as you’ve pointed out repeatedly with this young gun, “the truth is as murky as the red river during spring thaw” . Don’t think you actually said per sec, but I could hear saying that. Cause your in Texas…. A Texan… I think…. 🙄. And you like tacos…. But who doesn’t…. And who the fuc waits for Tuesday?! 🧐
very likely he ate huevos rancheros for breakfast with flour tortillas and beef or chicken tacos for snacks , for sure he ate lots of beans at every meal
As much as I want it to be, its not a thunderer in the picture. It's definitely some type of old army style grip. Billy supposedly had a thunderer when or around the time he was killed and I went and found one just to have the same gun as Billy. Had 50rds of 41 colt brass made so I could load some bkackpowder cartridges and shoot it. Anyway the birds head grip drops away at a pretty fast curve, that gun is way too straight and looks much larger than a thunderer. Also the cartridges in the belt look a little skinny and long for .41colt. But maybe those are for the rifle I guess.
I’ve read that one of them Garrett had acquired for his book to use to present a likeness of him… seems the thinking was that Garrett threw it away afterwards. Can’t remember who’s copy that was supposed to be… Deluvina, and Dan Dedrick, were also who I’m aware through my research that got copies… also have read that one was destroyed in a house fire as well. The world may never know for sure!😁
I always thought that Billy looked like he was a mouth breather, so possibly had a lot of allergies. If you are a mouth breather, you end up getting a very small arc of teeth and your jaw gets long. And there is a popular photo out there with a few men playing cards and some wonder if the young guy with the top hat is Billy the kid, he has a big long jaw also... I have zero opinion on that but I think that it is possible
Actually the idea that he was born or even from NYC is unproven. It's a decent guess but nobody truly knows where Billy lived prior to Indianapolis in the late 1860s. Interestingly enough, when Billy first officially pops up on the radar it's in a protestant church. The First Presbyterian Church in Santa Fe, New Mexico to be exact where his mother, Catherine, married his stepfather William Antrim. This is the fist time Billy's name is found in print - Henry McCarty. He and his brother are listed as witnesses to the wedding.
@@WildWestExtravaganza really? You have just blown my mind sir. I have always heard him and his brother’s names were found in a baptismal registry in a NYC Catholic Cathedral.
What a great sense of humor you your self have.
Thanks for another great instalment of the kids epic tale. Always a pleasure to here your voice. You sure do spin a great yarn.
Thanks for listening
Josh i can't tell you how much i love getting to hear the story of Billy the Kid in the way only you could tell it!! Your the man so keep em coming and i owe you a coffee or 3
Thank you Jon!!!
Thorough and entertaining as we have come to expect.
Thanks Danny
@@WildWestExtravaganza spoiler alert. In young guns Terence Stamp was 50. John Tunstall would’ve been 25. Quite the age gap
Shhhhh....intro to next episode
@@WildWestExtravaganza oops
Another well done presentation. Keep up the great work!
Thank you kindly!
Excellent as always sir! It always has amazed me how Tunstall always has gotten such a pass, when in fact he was just as much of a crook as Murphy and co were. It’s just that Tunstall wasn’t around long enough to implement his plan.
Right? I'm just a nobody who reads a lot, but imho Tunstall was pathological, fixated on his sister among other things, and his parents probably sent him to Victoria to get him out of the house.
Looking forward to the rest of the Kids coverage here! Nice presentation Josh!👍
Once again great show Josh
Thank you sir
Another awesome episode
Thank you, Scott
Thank you, dude. I've got a boring job, and your Billy the Kid shows made tonight fly by.
Thank you fine Sir for yet another amazing production of wild west extravaganza
Thanks for listening
Love your podcasts! I didn't know they made double action revolvers around Billy the Kid's time
Yeah, they did!
brilliantly reserched, im a big fan.of the Wild west extravaganza! ,,liked.and subbed mate ,MAX..Liverpool England
Hello England!
in the 1880 census, the census taker did not ask the person's age but put the age they thought the person looked.
Source?
Glad ur doing one on the kid I live in billy country.fam been here ranching since 1870. I heard that it wasn't a lightning or a thunder but a rainmaker the unicorn of colt double action. But idk highly unlikely.
Rainmaker ?
@@wadetaylor1299 32 colt double action around 300 made.
@@McDanielRanch o alright I have heard of it didn't know he may used one thanks bud and for refreshing my memory on that piece 👍
@@wadetaylor1299 I know if it did ever show up and could be tied to him it probably be a 2 to 3 million dollar gun. But like I said it highly unlikely.
@@McDanielRanch right it would be a big price tag ya never know could show up but doubt it. Thanks for sharing that again I never heard that had heard he had lighting or thunder sum say a peacemaker also.
If I ever find myself in a situation where I am going to be hanged I am going to spend the last day drinking as much water as I can. When the time comes I’ll request to not to wear a hood and when the trap is sprung I’ll leap vertically. The extra fall combined with the additional water weight will hopefully be enough to pop my head off and give the crowd a show to remember. Yeah. I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about this.
Haha
Brilliant!
Fun and informative as always! Thank you Josh! 🤠
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for the excellent coverage of the Lincoln County NM. Did religious prejudice and hostility between Protestants and Roman Catholics play a factor in the Lincoln County War? Being that many of the players were immigrants or first generation from Ireland and England.
Nothing I found pointed toward this so I'm not sure. Maybe though
@@WildWestExtravaganza It seems probable to me since McSween is a Scottish surname and Tunstall was English. Dolan-Murphy gang being Irish might have carried hostilities from the old country. It is interesting that they used the name “Regulators” for their gang’s handle. I believe that title comes from the English Civil War where units of the New Model Army used the same name.
Do you have any documentaries or podcasts that help me understand the psychology of people at the time?
Hmmm, not off the top of my head
Howdy Josh, great episode. Wasn't there a photo of Billy recently authenticated? He appeared to be at a social function. I'll see if I can find it but I remember there being a big deal about it after it was authenticated.
Howdy RD. Thank you! I emailed you back but just to answer here as well, that croquet photo hasn't actually been authenticated...at least not to the best of my knowledge. I'm going to try to put out a short episode this weekend or maybe on Monday that will explain more.
"I'm not sure in what capacity but I'm pretty sure it had something to do with watchin cows sh*t," this is probably my favorite quote from this channel and the funniest way I've ever heard a cowboy occupation described. Stay sober and kudos on the channel. Love your episodes so keep em going. You have a knack for bringing history to life.
Thanks! I stole it from Larry McMurtry
@@WildWestExtravaganza well, original or not. I'll remember it from you. It's a good one 👍
U do not have to be good looking to be a lady’s man! Personality, charisma, n reputation go a lot further than looks. Not to mention every woman loves a bad boy n with Billy not only being a G being young while able to handle himself around men twice his age that where hard/battle tested ,well like my late grandmother would of said “ Billy the Kid would have been the cats meow!!!!”
The people protested so much they hung him! Why am i thinking of Monty Python? 😂👍🇬🇧
I love all the “Young Guns” references
Ok, hear me out.
If we're going to entertain the whole vampire thing, I think, considering Billy's close proximity to Roswell we're gonna have to consider whether or not he might have been an ET.
Not saying he was an alien, but it would explain the whole small hands thing. 🤔
Honestly I thought it was just a given
@@WildWestExtravaganza 😂
i saw a .41 thunderer at the town of lincoln museum. who it belonged to i couldnt say but it was a beautiful piece and i now want one badly
I love listening to your podcast at night to go to sleep to. And I am happy you get plenty of adds, but dang there's a lot in this one!!
Bonney means attractive or dashing in Scottish use. Maybe that was appealing to young Billy?
Where can I find the episode on on Old Jim Miller
Patreon
@@WildWestExtravaganza ok
he prob liked a sugar loaf because he was small. It would make you look taller.
According to the records he wasn't that short for the time. 5'7 or 5'8 if I recall. He may have picked it up from his old friend Sombrero Jack
If Billy got that photo taken at the fort there had to be a photographer there right? So it's not unreasonable to think there could have been a photographer there when he was killed? Yes/no? Even Tombstone had a photographer at the time ..
The population of Tombstone was 2000 verses not even 300 in Fort Sumner. Also, Fort Sumner didn't even have a doctor, much less a photographer. Per Paulita Maxwell, it was a traveling photographer and he took Billy's picture in front of Beaver's saloon.
@@WildWestExtravaganza ok, got it, thanks
No prob
its a war of land & egos, have we not learned anything ? in war we all loose, we al loose
Lose. Not loose like a bolt.
I dont know if its true or not but some years ago I read that the kid was goofing off when the tin type was taken
Nobody knows but he probably was. Or the flash caught him off guard.
I've always wondered how you can label someone an outlaw when the whole state was corrupt.
Probably by then breaking the law
Oooh yeah.
OK, you've won me over. I'll subscribe. I'll just have to get over your pronunciation. If you just pronounce Washington correctly I'll be satisfied.
It has an R in there somewhere
I don't think we can go off the picture of him, in my experience not to brag especially nowadays! Haha but I've been very lucky when it comes to female company, from my early teens to my late 20s I've had multiple girls tell me how gorgeous I am, weather I was walking out of a store they was walking in or I would be chilling on the block and girls drive by and stop to say something. 😂😂😂 but I say all that to say this. If you have never met me or saw me in person, but saw only pictures of me!! Lmfao. You would think I was slow minded! Haha! Let's just say i would never have any luck on a dating app. 😂😂😂 so I could easily see this happening to me if all that was left of me was a single picture
I wanna know who sold tunstill the land he built his store on in Lincoln..I thought Dolan and Murphy ran shit in Lincoln why would they allow that to happen
Can we get some video with all these ads?😂 holy shit
Without? Absolutely! There are a few ways to listen completely ad free
Most people don’t know this but New Mexico is the only state in the US that has a bilingual state constitution and all official state laws and edicts have to bilingual as well.
I didn't know that, very cool
Corrupt in two languages,wow
Interesting “Billy” in the picture is not wearing spurs, boots don’t seem dusty either, face does not seem sunburn as would if he wore that hat riding.
By your quotation marks I would assume you don't believe that it's "Billy" in the photo?
@@WildWestExtravaganzawell per your superbly investigated post has detailed, he’s in Las Vegas, a minor celebrity, in a town that had photographers as early as the 1820’s, in a jail, totally open to questioning and photographing by the press. Yet in a smaller town, he, just on a whim, poses for a photo. As well, you’ve found out, the photo does not match descriptions in dress or physical stature. But, as you’ve pointed out repeatedly with this young gun, “the truth is as murky as the red river during spring thaw” . Don’t think you actually said per sec, but I could hear saying that. Cause your in Texas…. A Texan… I think…. 🙄. And you like tacos…. But who doesn’t…. And who the fuc waits for Tuesday?! 🧐
@@JohnSmith-gb5vg So because there's no known photo of him from Las Vegas the one from Fort Sumner is fake?
Does anyone know what Billy ate?
Lead, Pat Garrett fed it to him.
Food.
I would guess Mexican food..he loved the Latinas so I'm sure they were cooking for him
very likely he ate huevos rancheros for breakfast with flour tortillas and beef or chicken tacos for snacks , for sure he ate lots of beans at every meal
@@El-American-USA I don't think tacos were around yet
Robert Casey is my grandfather
As much as I want it to be, its not a thunderer in the picture. It's definitely some type of old army style grip. Billy supposedly had a thunderer when or around the time he was killed and I went and found one just to have the same gun as Billy. Had 50rds of 41 colt brass made so I could load some bkackpowder cartridges and shoot it. Anyway the birds head grip drops away at a pretty fast curve, that gun is way too straight and looks much larger than a thunderer. Also the cartridges in the belt look a little skinny and long for .41colt. But maybe those are for the rifle I guess.
Ah thanks!
@@WildWestExtravaganza anytime. So there were 3 more tin types out there somewhere or they came in 4 packs so to speak? Time to hit the garage sales!
There were 4. One is owned by a collector, one destroyed (I think in a fire?) and no idea about the other two. Good luck! $$$$
I’ve read that one of them Garrett had acquired for his book to use to present a likeness of him… seems the thinking was that Garrett threw it away afterwards. Can’t remember who’s copy that was supposed to be… Deluvina, and Dan Dedrick, were also who I’m aware through my research that got copies… also have read that one was destroyed in a house fire as well. The world may never know for sure!😁
that said, enough land
I always thought that Billy looked like he was a mouth breather, so possibly had a lot of allergies. If you are a mouth breather, you end up getting a very small arc of teeth and your jaw gets long. And there is a popular photo out there with a few men playing cards and some wonder if the young guy with the top hat is Billy the kid, he has a big long jaw also... I have zero opinion on that but I think that it is possible
Lol, Owen Wilson
hi
20:22 Doucheland? 😂
The Secret Life of Billy the kid. By Julia Lonergan Rodriguez
Billy was 5'2" red curly hair.
Wrong again
Did he owe the money?
Who?????
But Josh Sam Jackson has a stutter and he is as cool as cool gets.
Billy the Kid was an Irish Roman Catholic from 5 points NYC so I highly doubt he had an Protestant ancestry
Actually the idea that he was born or even from NYC is unproven. It's a decent guess but nobody truly knows where Billy lived prior to Indianapolis in the late 1860s. Interestingly enough, when Billy first officially pops up on the radar it's in a protestant church. The First Presbyterian Church in Santa Fe, New Mexico to be exact where his mother, Catherine, married his stepfather William Antrim. This is the fist time Billy's name is found in print - Henry McCarty. He and his brother are listed as witnesses to the wedding.
@@WildWestExtravaganza really? You have just blown my mind sir.
I have always heard him and his brother’s names were found in a baptismal registry in a NYC Catholic Cathedral.
Latina chicks like lottsa thing's.😁
Program j listened to said McSween
Used the $10000 to build his house
What was the program?
@@WildWestExtravaganza if I remember it was on one of All Things Billy The Kid.
I'd love to know their source
Billy was a woman .
lol no he wasn’t
Another awesome episode