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Charlie, thank you so much for this informative video. As a newcomer to the hobby with no previous interest in trains of any type, I was always confused when a fellow youtuber started talking about single and double slips. I am hoping to start a model railway in n scale next year after I have finished two other projects. Thanks again and I wish you and your family a merry Christmas and a happy and youtube full New Year. Ian
Thanks Ian, you’re too kind. Good luck with your layout, it’s all in the planning!
very good explanation of the 2 different slips. and the proper use of them. The wiring you show is a bonus and should make it much simpler, i might just get a couple double slips now, just to expand my yard in the opposite direction. thank you.
Hi Sparky, I’m so pleased that you found it useful.
I think the double slip switch is the best kind of train track ever made. I just love it. Same goes to the three way switch track.
I too love double slips. Regards Charlie.
Hi Charlie,
You're setting me up for a wonderful journey in building my new layout, and your attention to detail is spurring me on to deliver something almost as good, but it won't be - your modelling is superb!! Thank you for all the videos!
What a heartwarming comment Josh and good luck with your project.
This is by way the best explanation I ever came across. Well done!
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Klaus
Hi Charlie, I would just like to add that I believe a single slip will also function as a diamond crossing when set to straight (when used with frog juicers) as opposed to a double slip that will need setting separately for each of the straight directions. Love your videos, and am eager to see your high level section on the new Chadwick complete.
Thanks Barry, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it, I do hope that you have a great Christmas, regards Charlie.
Hi Charlie
Started watching Your videos. Really enjoying them. Thanks very much for explaining single and double slips. Never understood them before you explained it so simply. Thanks Tel
I’m so pleased that you found it useful Terry.
Charlie, thanks for this video, it is the best description that I have seen of the differences between the Double and Single Slip Switches. Barry
Hi Barry, I’m so pleased that you found it useful. Regards Charlie
Very timely. I am in the process of designing a parking area/ fiddle yard and this vid gives more food for thought. Excellent, as always.
Hi Anthony, I’m so pleased that you found it useful.
Many thanks for this. Never appreciated just what were skips or how they were employed, so this video has cleared away a lot of mist !
I’m so pleased that you found it useful Gary.
Thanks for this, I am currently setting up a new layout, and needed some education with regard to double slips.
Big help.
I’m so pleased that you found it useful Peter.
Hello Charlie, i used to used Fleischmann double slips, on a pre-ballasted base that wear a joy to use and wire in.................As I remember I also had some 3-way points, a great space-saver...........now in a residential home, my railways continue courtesy of Auran trainz 2006.........
best wished Howard.
Great comment Howard.
Regards Charlie.
wow you did a fantastic job at explaining everything. i started watching this video not knowing anything and now it feels like i know it all.
Thanks for that.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it
@@ChadwickModelRailway thanks
Thanks Charlie for this video. I am slowly catching up with your layout and found this one especially useful as I was struggling to get to grips with what a single and double slip are. Thanks again
I’m so pleased that you found it useful David
I've been planning my first ever layout for a good few months. Came across your chanel and its helped me to learn about everything from wiring to making trees. Some tutorials on making scenery would be great in the new year.
I’m so pleased that you enjoy my videos Simon. I will produce more scenery videos next year.
Hi Charlie, this is a great video that explains the concepts really clearly, the reasoning behind single slips especially. Thank you very much and I have subscribed!
Glad it was helpful, thanks for letting me know. Stay safe, regards, Charlie
Perfect way of explaining - good job
Thanks mate. Regards Charlie.
Hi Charlie, very interesting video and informative. I’ve been looking at some double slips and this has helped greatly, it also explained to be their use in the real world. Thanks for filming and uploading Clint
Hi Clint, I’m so pleased that you have found it useful.
Wow looking at your comment section,its very nice and peacful with almost no jokes,good job mr charlie!
Yes, I’m very fortunate in attracting some great people and very few “Keyboards Warriors” waiting in the wings. FaceBook however, is a very different environment.
Not sure what (or if) you celebrate in your life any holidays at this time of year but from me to you thanks for all your wonderful videos and Merry Christmas!
And best wishes to you too NW.
This is an excellent video, thank you for the explanation of single and double slips. I just bought one and this will be very helpful when installing it.
Hi Joe, I’m so pleased that you have found it useful.
Hi Charlie, Yes that was a very informative video on single and double slip uses and how to wire them for proper operations. Thank you. Charlie, wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a safe and prosperous New Year. Cheers, Rich S.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Have a great Christmas too.
So are the frogs green coz a frog is green Charlie?! Looool! So simple but so effective. Regards. John
Just my cranky discipline John.
Dcc concepts point wire is actually molded red black and green lol i use this stuff its excellent: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DCC-Concepts-5m-Roll-16-0-2-Triple-Ribbon-Point-Motor-Wire-Red-Green-Black-1st/122524885727?hash=item1c870d62df:g:m44AAOSwrhBZLqFX
Hi Charlie
Having fitted both types of slip on the layout its easy to understand people can get confused with the wiring as it took me a while to get my head around it and as Im using Cobalts and the ESU Ecos, so not as straight forward as I expected until speaking to DCConcepts who sent me a wiring diagram which showed the two options when fitting and wiring the motors to a double slip. I think its worth having a look on their site for wiring guides as they are really good.
The double slip is a great addition to my layout and has allowed me in a small space to put access to a yard and branchline station (both yet to be built), probably not prototypical but it works for me.
Enjoyed your description and fitting guide.
Hope you have a great Christmas and New Year.
Cheers Paul
Hi Paul, I’m pleased that you enjoyed the video. DCC Concepts are a good knowledge resource that folks need to be aware of. Perhaps I should give them a call for their wiring diagrams.
Regards Charlie
It's not just about appearance, they allow the same functionality of a configuration of simple points, but in a shorter length of space! For both the real world and on our layouts :)
Exactly as I mentioned TimberSurf.
Great video now I finally understand slips and double slips!
I’m so pleased that you found it useful.
Hi Charlie, was kindly advised by Paul at Sandling Jct to check out this video as looking for advise re using Peco 100 single/double insulfrogs so you have clarified in an easy answer to use the Peco code 75 slips with converter rails! Thanks Eddie.🤓
I’m so pleased that you found it useful.
new learning curve, great information. Will have to go out to the layout now and investigate lol. Thanks for sharing ~ linda
I’m so pleased that you found it useful Linda.
Interesting... Learn't something today, thanks for the explanation regarding the rationale and application of slips. Have a good holiday Charlie.
Thanks, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Hi Charlie, I have been toying with the idea of installing either a single or double slip (still undecided as to which), so thank you for this video which has given me much food for thought. I have really enjoyed your videos during 2018 and look forward to seeing many more in 2019. Cheers and Merry Christmas to you & yours from Greg in Australia.
Thanks Greg, you’re too kind.
I’ll do my best to keep you amused next year. Have a great Christmas.
Regards Charlie
Terrific video. I finally understand differences
I’m so pleased that you found it useful Charles
Well explained....simple with your pen..great stuff
Thanks David. I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Hi Charlie, I was interested in your explanation of why a single slip was used, to avoid a run up the wrong line in case of point failure. The problem with this is that when coming in the opposite direction from the station, it is possible to arrive on the facing main line. This points to cost and maintenance being the main reason. Points, geddit! Very intersting all the same, thank you
Perhaps it’s a balance of both but safely was always expressed to me.
Regards Charlie
The reason to fit a single slip is to avoid a set of facing points in the running line, NOT the risk of an error when a train is crossing over. As the signals protecting the crossover move will also give protection against a train that is miss routed, unless the driver is completely clueless and fails to notice that he is running bang road. However if the points fail and divert a train intended to run straight through. The crossing move is likely to be made at excessive speed, and there may be no signal protection against a head on collision until the signalman can throw his signals back to danger,
A big help thanks Charlie. Mind you a confusing subject for us beginners
Hi David, it’s confusing for everyone!
Another good article, Charlie. Merry Christmas from me, Nick.
Always trying to please Nick.
Interesting discussion piece. Thanks for sharing, Cheers, Matt.
I’m pleased that you found it useful.
Thanks very much. I finally got the idea
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Once again Charlie, great stuff. Will look into these. Cheers. Peter
Hi Peter,
I’m so pleased that you found your early access video interesting.
Regards Charlie
Hello again fella, great video this and how its installed on your setup is genius! going to a buffer stop is a great idea
I’m pleased that you enjoyed it mate.
Good point, well made.
I'm so pleased that you enjoyed it Jason. Stay safe. Regards Charlie
Phew - I'm glad you explained that! Very well done Charlie and thanks. And a very Merry Christmas and peaceful new year.
Hi Richard, I’m glad that you enjoyed it.
Have a great Christmas too mate.
Happy Christmas Charlie and thank you very much for all of your fabulous tutorial videos of 2018 😁 Looking forward to next years videos. Thanks Stevie. 🎄
Thanks Steve, I do hope that you have a great Christmas too.
Hi Charlie, nice video and very informative thanks for sharing. so all that's left to say is have a good Christmas & happy New Year. Regards George...
Thanks George, and all the very best to you too.
Another great update Charlie I’ve subscribed to the other channel so will watch with great interest thanks
Thanks mate much appreciated.
Excellent explanation of slips - I've got an oval with a point (in N).
Next year I'm hoping to construct a base board and start to build a layout.
Thanks for sharing your layout and experience.
All the best for Christmas and I wish you and Chadwick a happy and prosperous new year.
Regards - Dave - (aka Oscar).
Thanks Dave (or Oskar). Have a great Christmas too.
Thanks Charlie.
You’re welcome Herr Kiwi.
Very informative , thank you for this
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Digger
Have a Happy Christmas and good new year
Thanks Malcolm and the same to you and yours.
Very informative
Thanks Vishnu, regards Charlie
Many thanks again Charlie!!! Very interesting! Cheers Onno.
Hi Onno, I’m so glad that you enjoyed it.
I personally hated these little demons on our club layout when I was in a club. I could never wrap my head around which set of points to move and the other people in the club were no help either. I also cant count the number of times my trains went on the ground because of these things.
Love them or hate them!
Im running 3 doubles in my station area but insulfrog and none of that excess wiring they perform as i want and no stalling etc and yes DCC
That’s great news Brian, regards, Charlie
Charlie, may I ask for your advice on double slips. I think that if you use a double slip with unifrog points then you're left with a short 'dead' rail between the insulated rail joiners and the unifrog. With electrofrog points you don't as the frog extends to the end and powers the rail. I think I'm going to have to feed power to these inch long rails. Does that make sense? Modelling in n gauge means I've got some very fiddly soldering to do if that's right.
No Jon, I’m not too sure that it does make sense.
With my electrofrog double slips, there are two separate feeds to the centre outer rails.
I can’t help with uni-frog, but I’m sure that a phone call to Peco will sort out your issue.
I have two double slips and a scissors crossover on my layout because I have extremely limited space. 6'x2'. N gauge of course. :-)
And does it run well?
My setup is 5ft 6" x 2ft 6" in N gauge, i have yet to buy a scissor crossing, in N gauge they are £65
Thank you Charlie for another informative video. I trying to work out a way off my branch line crossing the two main lines whilst they are in operation. A double slip might be the answer. I will have to review my plan again to see if this will work. Merry Christmas to you and your family and a happy model railway New Year. Martin (Thailand)
Thanks Martin, and seasonal greetings to you and yours.
Can you do a video on the Peco Double Crossover...it's like the double slip but it has a line above and below as well...Can you show how it'd work for Peco point solinoid style motors and for wiring frogs and into the layout? My new layout has 6 of these and I'd like to get it right! Thanks, you explain things so well!
Hi Ron, is that an N Gauge item?
Hi Charlie a very interesting video, well presented thanks for posting. Dave
I’m so pleased that you found it interesting Dave.
Although there has been a lot of criticism about sleeper spacing there is one thing to bear in mind. As the track width is underscale, the sleeper spacing - in order to appear proportionate, needs to be underscale, too, otherwise the rectangular space between rails and sleepers will appear too wide. For the gaps between sleepers to appear accurate relative to the distance between the rails they should be about 8.5mm apart, not the 10mm that would result from 25 sleepers to a '60 foot' (240mm) length. Peco track has the sleepers spaced at about 7mm so the best distance lies exactly between your suggestion and the Peco's!
An interesting point Chris.
This is such a good channel!
Thanks Phillip m, you’re too kind.
Hi Charlie Do you know why Peco no longer make the SL-E90 code 100 electrofrog Double Slip... it is available in the code 75 but not the code 100....why???
To be honest PSB, I think you’re mistaken. I don’t think they have did make one in code 100 it’s always been insul frog. Regards, Charlie.
Hi Charlie, I am about to install two PECO SL-90 code 100 insulfrog double slips, using MP1 point motors. I recall watching a video somewhere, where it was mentioned that, unlike single turnouts, you must not remove the point springs. Is this right, given that I will be using slow MP1 motors? All your videos are a goldmine of information. Thank you for all the time you invest to help us all. UPDATE: Charlie, I have just watched your video 77, where you show you DO remove the springs on the double slip. So I have my answer. Thank you.
The manufacturers do not recommend removing the point springs, however the manufacturers of slow action points would rather you did.
Removing the point springs can cause drift in the switchblades.
I use a small piece of plastic card to stop this drift. Regards Charlie
Excellent description, Charlie. Thanks for explaining this so clearly.
Have you ever had trouble with the crossing rail between the exit rails being close to each wheel-back?
I’m working the logic for a cross-over between OO & OO9, and want to be able to run these on separate controllers (probably one DC & one DCC) so keeping these isolated is quite important... 😉
Happy Christmas to you, and see you on Saturday at WCMRS.
Hi Tom, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. See you on Saturday.
Regards Charlie
Very Informative Charlie, always wondered what the difference was between single and a double slip.Cheers John.
Hi John, I’m so pleased that you found it useful.
Hi Charlie, just wondering how you wire up and add point motors to insulfrog single slips (this might be a very silly question but I can’t find anything anywhere!) as the instructions on the back boggle my mind. Thanks
It's easier than you think. Just view them as two Y points facing each other.
Interesting thanks.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Hello Charlie. Thank you very much for his video. How can I get an assembly scheme for a double slip, for digital? Thanks
All the instructions are provided with the point, regards Charlie
Charlie, You could get lost in the world of double and single slips. If you modelled a track layout before the 1st world war . A visitor to your layout could tell you modelled the Midland railway with no rolling stock in sight just by the track and slip formation. The L.M.S. didn't start replacing track formations with their own use of slips until the early 30's. British rail didn't start until the late 50's. At Paddington, G.W.R. slip formations weren't changed until the early 60's. After Beeching, the big cities as their stations finally got rebuilt old style track formations were replaced.Don't get me started on railchair design.All the best for Christmas and the New Year.Cheers, Chris Perry.
Wow Chris, you certainly know your railway history. Have a great Christmas too.
Excellent as always Charlie. One question, you appear to have 2 red and two black wires going into the double slip. One should be the main power, the other to the point motor for changing the frog. So why not 3 of each because there are two point motors. I think you made this video just for me, as this is exactly where I’ve got to with the hope of having them sorted over Christmas! Regards Brian. And have a great Christmas.
Hi Brian, I’ll clarify this tomorrow when I’ve checked the installation instructions. Regards Charlie
Chadwick Model Railway Thanks. Much appreciated. Brian
Hi Brian, the two feeds (1 red and 1 black) at the bottom are not required. I fitted the double slip after removing a different point arrangement which didn’t really work. Those cables were probably from that.
So connect your track power to the centre feed wires on the point and also feed them, as I have, to the switches for the the frog feeds.
Job done.
Regards Charlie
Must admit, I don't follow protocol, my trains can go every and whichever way, I choose.
To true Sam. I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it, I do hope that you have a great Christmas, regards Charlie.
Can you please do a video of just your trains going around your layout?
Sorry but the new layout is still in build as you will see next week JS.
Thanks again for such a great video! Are these the same as ‘diamond crossings?’ If not, what is the difference. I’m trying to model an X shaped crossover between two parallel tracks and I’m at a loss as to how it’s done.
Teddy
Hi Teddy, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video.
No these are not diamond crossings as they can be switched. Diamond crossings are much simpler to install.
Now can you help me?
I need the name of a couple of popular Facebook railroad modelling sites in the US to spread my wings.
Do you know any?
One makes you twice as likely to fall over?...
At twice the price too!
Regards Charlie
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Hello Charlie, it’s been a while! I’m still watching your videos and I’ve revisited this one as electrics aren’t my thing and I have a question which I’m sure you’ll be able to answer for me. I don’t model in DCC, I use DC and I am trying to work out if it’s possible to use electrofrog double slips and if so, how? Do you need a separate power feed to the double slip section of track and then to use insulated fish plates on every single rail or is there another way? Any help would be really very much appreciated. I hope you’re keeping well? I’m still very much in awe of your modelling. All the best. Chris
Hi Chris, whether you model in DC or DCC the answer is the same.
I believe you still need to use insulated fish plates on the frogs. The full instructions are provided with the slips. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway thanks Charlie! Will give it a shot. All the best to you.
In 1971 or '72, I was working as an estimater for a track contractor. One job we bid on was for a track that ended with a turnout into two tracks. The clowns who designed this project called for a double slip switch where a single left hand turnout was all that was needed. The PE who did this had no more idea what was needed or what was being requested than a square peg in a oblong hole. They finally made an amendment to change it but it sure made them look stupid.
Great tale and thanks for sharing Roy.
Hi Charlie, thanks for yet another first class tutorial. Can I ask why you use code 100 rather than code 75 for the rest of your layout? I’m about to make a decision on that choice and value your opinion. Many Thanks, George
Hi George, Code 75 looks better than 100 but it’s difficult to tell the difference once ballasted and weathered. But, the electrofrog slips are only available in 75. I have loads of 100 and really can’t ignore it. 100 is more robust and is ideal in fiddle yards but clearly the new bullhead track is the best.
Regards Charlie
Thanks Charlie, I am keen on using code 75 (starting from scratch after a 40 year break means no legacy components) and agree with you on the bullhead track. Maybe Peco will expand the range of turnouts and slips in that range before too long with a bit of luck!
Do you use Piko or Peco track?
Mine is all Peco and mainly Code 100.
@@ChadwickModelRailway i use piko, my tracks look the same, is that like an european variant?
Ill say one thing, these points in N gauge are REALLY expensive some of them are £65 each! charlie, do you have an uncoupler in those sidings? could you possibly do a video on it if you do? cheers.
Wow, what a cost. Is that for the scissors cross-over?
My couplings are mainly Kadees and I will make a video in the future.
@@ChadwickModelRailway The scissor crossing, similar principle www.track-shack.com/acatalog/Peco-Streamline-SL-E383F-N-Gauge-Code-55-Scissors-Crossover-Peco-SL-E383F.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-4vDotix3wIVAZztCh3uzwKOEAYYASABEgKL3vD_BwE
Shocking price, but it’s a great piece of engineering.
@@ChadwickModelRailway Oh agreed, especially in N gauge, damn i bet its tiny
Great vid, cheers, is there a company that makes a reversed loop controller for a non digital layout?
Hi Duck Man, I’m pleased that you enjoyed it. Sorry but I don’t know of a DC designed switcher but I will ask around.
Hi Charlie, just wishing you a merry Christmas hope you love your new layout I just finished laying the track on one board now which you would know what I'm talking about if you continued to watch my videos but anyway merry Christmas,
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Cheers Kingston junction,
Thanks KJ, I’ve just checked your latest video. You certainly love plaster!
Good luck with your layout in 2019.
Regards Charlie
Chadwick Model Railway yeah plaster is pretty good in my option my layout is a lot feather complete now, will upload a video soon. thanks for the luck, probably will need it, wish you the same and I'll see you in your next video. ;)
Good morning I think you have explained how to polarize an English deviator the thing I'm very interested in but I do not understand absolutely English could post a picture with the wiring diagram
I’m sorry Renate, but I need a translator. Can anyone help?
Chadwick Model Railway copy the text and simply paste into google translate or similar.
Chadwick Model Railway Good morning I think you have explained how to polarize an English deviator the thing I'm very interested in but I do not understand absolutely English could post a picture with the wiring diagram
The wiring diagram is printed in the instructions on how to instal the double slip.
Regards Charlie
Chadwick Model Railway ok grazie
Very good charlie can you help with a 3way point these confuse the hell out of me thanx
What make and what scale is it Michael?
If it is the peco 3 way. Just treat it as two turnouts. A left handed one and a right handed one. The fact they are compressed together to make a 3 way then becomes irrelevant. The frogs get treated separately in relation to the set of blades that are for left or right.
Just remember that to select to certain routes, one point MUST be switched before the other.
sorry for late reply charlie got flu its n gauge
At 11:48 you comment on another persons channel, but point to thin air as no link appears... :(
It is there Malcolm but you are not watching on RUclips directly. Try this link. ruclips.net/video/0ttRV3jAR-Q/видео.html
@@ChadwickModelRailway@ Malcom Crabbe Tried this link still does not work unless annotations are turned on in settings. (the cog wheel bottom right hand corner of you tube screen) Hope this helps. .....Graham
By the way Charlie love all your videos, watch them all. You have a great way of explaining and demonstrating, you show everything warts and all. Brilliant keep them coming. .....Graham
Hi Graham, I’ve checked and they are switched on. Do you see my links at the end of the video?
@@ChadwickModelRailway The link worked fine for me. Thanks for another great video.
Charlie great video again. After a 60 year gap I am about to start on a small layout which hopefully I shall complete, especially after reading comments when you changed your layout because of crawling under baseboards etc. Yes I started to work backwards through the videos but have now gone to the first ones. My aim is to have newish engines (hopefully for DCC) and older running stock so I can have a go at weathering etc. However, reading one of the comments made and your reply (cannot find which video it was) has put a spanner in the works because it was stated that new engines don't like code 100 points etc, is this right or did I read it wrong, and if I go the other way old rolling stock isn't compatible with code 75. Would welcome your advice on this. Bill
Hi Bill, I think you have your wires crossed, it’s code 75 that older stock doesn’t run well on. Code 100 should be fine. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Do new engines run alright on code 100. Regards Bill
Why are you calling them points? They are called switches for real terms or turnouts in model terms. The points are the part of the switch/turnout that move to diverge the trains onto the other track lines.
Sadly I have to disagree, the railways are invented by the British and we’ve always called them points. It’s other nations that have decided to call them turnouts and switches! Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway No, that's not true. Turnout is a common term in British permanent way, and has been for a very long time, even before "points" was adopted to describe the whole unit. A turnout is the combination of the points (or switch, in both UK and US) and a common crossing or V-crossing (frog in the US). You only have to look in the hand-built track or finescale section of your favourite modelling forum to see that turnout is a common term, and probably regarded as "more correct", or at least, less ambiguous.
Great info Ted, thanks for pointing out the facts. Regards Charlie
it's me or you're showing the single slip saying "double slips" and then the double slip saying "single slips" ?
I can't remember but you decide.