Milton B I think Victor means over all size is HUGE!. I'm sure if you took the speakers from the Bluetooth and put them in the same box layout as the 3" driver you would have something better than both. :-)
@@mxz2024 How flat/even is the bass response on the Teufel? That's the biggest problem with such a small speaker. You can get a lot of bass with the right enclosure, sure, but there will be huge spikes and drops depending on the exact frequency. Ideally you'd want the response graph to show a perfectly flat line from 25hz up to 100hz, but with such a small cone amplified by such a crazy chamber it turns the graph into a bucking bronco.
@@djhenyo true but i prefer a bit more deep bass since its more fun and for an outdoor speaker its better to have a bit boosted bass Overall teh teufel cross spund good for a portable speaker and is rugged.
I thought the bass part was badly distorted so I googled the original and it turns out the output of your speaker is exactly what the song sounds like. What I thought must have been distortion is the result of how the artist created the song. This was an excellent video showing what can be done with a solid design and made DIY. Nobody would have thought this possible only 20 years ago. Great job!
Using a sealed enclosure requires double the power to achieve the same level of sound so it's very inefficient and mainly used for people that demand small enclosures and don't care about power usage, but it will be very tight bass response.
@@npham54 It's very efficient at damping, hence... Well, any serious high quality of reproduction speaker will be a sealed box. Unless we go into esoteric shit like infinite baffle.
@@NGC1433 what do you mean 'esoteric shit like infinite baffle' Im sorry it may be due to the fact that im not a native english speaker , but i really dont understand what that means exactly
@@baronnashor158 The baffle is the face of the box that the driver is mounted in. The purpose of a box is to keep the sound waves from the back from destructively interfering with the sound coming off the front. A sealed box does this by damping the back wave, but it limits bass response since the sealed air chamber acts like a spring trying to resist movement of the driver. A long tube like this design allows the back wave to come out in phase with the front (at the tuning frequency) which then adds to the front sound wave, making for more bass. The tricky part is to get a broad enough tuning to avoid the huge peaks and valleys in the response which give that boomy one note bass sound. An infinite baffle is really just a giant wall that the speaker driver is mounted in. No box to add damping and limit excursion, and since it is 'infinite' the back wave will never come around the outside and interfere with the front wave. Nor wil it reflect off the inside of the enclosure and push on the cone. Infinite baffles sound amazing, but as you can probably guess are not even remotely affordable, or portable. It's what you do if you can afford to build a house around your stereo.
@@belstain thanks I always wondered what infinite baffle is when I see it on AVS forums and other places but never cared to look it up. Very interesting.
@True WingChun Sounds like you got your cable directions mixed up, better order some more Shunyata Sigmas buddy. All he said was this is real science, there are gains to be had on certain things yes. But most of the super high end audio equipment out there is never worth it. You *can* get gains from cables and other things sure, but that's on the level of like.. making sure you're not buying shitty RCA's from Walmart. Going beyond a certain level is just chasing perfection, and if you're after that level of perfection you might as well hire the band to play in your listening room every time you want to hear them.
@True WingChun Sounds like you've blown thousands of dollars on snake oil and is getting defensive about it. I agree that this 3D printed enclosure doesn't match a good pair of monitors, but it's an interesting experiment. You, meanwhile, reek of having drank the kool-aid. Sincerely, An Audio Engineer
Just imagine the sound bar you could make with two of these and the appropriate mid-range and tweeters. Even without a floor mounted separate sub. Nice work.
TheCgOrion I have been looking into passive soundbars and i think you’re absolutely right! I am looking into making a passive LCR soundbar that you can power with any 5.1 receiver or like you stated, a 2.0 sound bar that will actually sound good when listening to music
@@HexiBase sort of looks like you could create a slot type setup if the wall thickness isn't an issue for strength with that filament. Maybe a little smaller male portion to allow for a good amount of epoxy to ride in the slot and glue the two together. Probably don't need the wave profile if you do the slot.
@@HexiBase If you haven't already, try printing the two halves flat, then lightly sand to knock down any imperfections, then JB weld. You could also attempt plastic welding, certain chemicals will melt the surface of certain plastics, making them 'weld' together; though I'm not sure how effective this would be over that much surface area. Because of the complexity of the inside of the box, if sanding then bonding doesn't resolve the issue, you may have to get more creative in how you print this.
@@HexiBase I'd love to have the plans to print the box even at it's current state. :) Great work! Maybe make it downloadable for a donation or a small fee? :)
If it would've been Printed in ABS, Acetone is a great "seal and bonder" for ABS. I glue my ABS prints primarily with Acetone, as it feels after drying like on solid piece. But great work you did Anyways. Printing that with most normal Printers might be hard, specially warping might be critical. I have a delta, I can't print it, Printbed is round...:D
I saw people mentioning you on the 12VTalk podcast I was on. I don't know why RUclips hasn't recommended more of your videos to me. You're amazing! Your level of knowledge and ability to explain is off the charts to me. Thank you! Subscribed!
For the bass that it handles, instead of JB welding smooth surfaces, I would use the middle 50% of all of the walls to make a tongue and groove. It will increase the area of the adhesion surface, and eliminate any air leaks you may get from separation on smooth surfaces.
This takes me back to the days when me and my friends created sub boxes with wood. We came up with many differant designs and some were very successful. Great fun for an aspiring engenieer back in the day. Awsome technology to play with today.
This is reminiscent of Dr. Bose at MIT. His work in the area of direct reflect speaker design led the way for the entire miniaturization of home audio. It also made him a few bucks in the process! 😉 Noise cancellation was only theoretical before he started experimenting and then he mastered it. I definitely think there is so much possible with 3D printing it should push consumer audio to amazing places just like u have done here! Nice work.
That would actually work great in a car audio application where space is an issue. That box would fit perfectly under my seats or in the back of my 4runner.
Restoring faith in traditional speakers vs. Bluetooth noisemakers. I like the way, even the headphones (plural) are organized in his studio. Thanks for sharing [shake]
The quality of his enclosure and the sub have nothing to do with being wired vs wireless. He could hook this up to a bluetooth receiver and it would sound the same. He actually seems to have the bluetooth "noisemaker" directly wired in. So that's fairly irrelevant.
This is similarly structured to the Bose Wave radio, except they put two bass speakers in about the same sized package. Each speaker has it's own (shorter) tube that converge together, therefore possibly cutting down on the wavelength necessary for supporting the super deep frequency your model seems to hit. Grats on this awesome design!
Or just buy 2 of these. Build 500 Hz crossovers and get 2 inch tech BMR drivers for the mids ands highs. You will get pretty decent bookshelf speakers out of the build.
Gabriel Vieira granted but he was talking about using this as a Bluetooth speaker,unless I misunderstood. I bet it could actually sound really good if you matched it to a full range like David suggested
He was talking about getting the proper sound with the speaker using technology like the 3d printer making it possible to dial in the exact specs and the speaker truly performs to its fullest ability. He sad this was a subwoofer, not a Bluetooth replacement. He was showing the difference in sound vs a Bluetooth for bass response as most Bluetooth speakers has a pair of 2" sometimes larger woofers normally with bass radiator.
Just came here out of curiosity as I do a lot of 3D modeling and printing. Amazing to see what audiophiles are doing with the 3D printing technology. Thank you for sharing and the time & effort in preparing everything. Cheers!
Bravo my man! You put together this video very well from the material to the details, please keep up the great work! I would enjoy seeing more builds like this with different drivers and enclosure types!
Yea, those mass producers "fudge" their numbers to where you don't know what you're truly getting, and what you do get sounds rough and limited in its performance. Massive room for re-design and improvement. This is genius designed and makes those poor mass produced subwoofers feel inadequate, and cry with bass envy, and are in massive need for therapy to work through their inadequacy issues. Some of those mass produced guys turn to alcoholism, break down, and crack their speaker frames introducing a noticeable rattle that makes them feel even more inadequate until one day they end it all and burn up their voice coils. Better to be non existent than be a sub par sub woofer. 🔊))))🎵🎵🎵🎵🎵😃😊😀😎 🔉🎵😧😭😥😞🔫🔇💀
not quite... the other one is a smallbox player/speaker.... compared to a bigbox player/speaker of sony or jbl, the printed one wont be THAT much better dont forget this is just a speaker, nothing more...
Combine this with some Raspberry Pi stuff, a bit of bluetooth, an SDR tuner unit, a small touch screen, about 4 18650 rechargeable lithium batteries, a few buttons and/or quaternary encoder knobs, the right amplifier circuit, and you'd be able to make a completely modern boombox better than you could currently get at the store.
Bro this sounded so freaking cool. I love how you switched between the speakers on the beat. It sounded SOO GOOD. Felt like some sort of lofi mix or something. Lovin the vibes~!
For a better seal you can always make a female/male sides so when you put them together they seal better. With some silicone in the slot around it should have a perfect seal, some screws for added rigidity and longer lifespan would be great as well to avoid the 2 pieces from separating. A Also it sounds very empty. It definetly needs a tweeter or a full range to lift the highs a little. Great box nonetheless
Man, things have changed since back in the day! I used to be a car stereo installer back in the early 1990s. I had a stack of books about sound physics and speaker box construction. Used that with my trusty number 2 pencil, some long math, some MDF wood and a wood shop. I could have used these tools back then :)
I know very little about audio, and most of the terminology is going straight over my head, but I'm really liking these videos, keep up the good work, hopefully I'll catch up in the long run.
I'm barely grasping what you're talking about.. but I love it! Audio is a whole new world for me, but I want to extend my 3D printing project options, thank you!
The measured response is in your room, so not only the speaker produced that result. But it is very low, I would run it through some digital room correction EQ so it sounds flat. Nice job!
Now imagine one of them 20'' subs in one of these cases. (no air leaks included.) That will crack some walls. obviously scaled up since it wouldnt even work without it being scaled up like 6.66x
It'd sound terrible given that the unit alone would be larger than the entire box, absolutely would not fit the 3" mounting hole, and box volume would be waaaaay too small for a unit of that size. Well, you did say _"in that EXACT case"_ ...
This is how they make bass drivers for space limited devices like phones and tablets. If you open one up, you'll see a sealed rectangular chamber, with a similar pattern inside.
This is highly useful. I have a couple of drivers from a Bose wave system that had the mad idea to create 3D printed enclosures for. This is a great proof of concept for my project. Thanks so much for this!
@@erictheboringone5292 Bowers and Wilikins has some to offer like the Zeppelin, Marshall got some, even the JBL Boombox, when dialed in via an equalizer. But hey, you are the sole expert, the best and most knowledgeable in the world, ain't you? So why bother arguing with you? Btw, good luck getting an usable bluetooth functionality in that thing.
Firstly I never once said I was an expert nor even implied it. With that out of the way I have in fact extensively listened to many of the more expensive offerings from the brands you mentioned and apparently categorize as “decent” because of their high price and recognizable brand name as opposed to their actual sound signature. None of the “decent” aka overpriced Chinese garbage have sound that travels any distance and that’s especially so for the bass notes. Oh and we aren’t comparing the sound after having to fiddle with some pitiful excuse of a 3 band EQ. Sound for sound as they are I doubt any are going to compare.
Should have explained what you thought it was equivalent to retail wise. Based on the binaural mic the bluetooth speaker sounds tiny, and the bass on the 3d print is impressive but distorted. Should have included a direct clip of the track for reference as well.
Thanks for the info. Designed and 3D printed my own case. Followed similar straight line approach and got surprisingly excellent response. Fits perfectly in the back seat of my old school 325 convertible with a simple 100watt sub amp.
I admit, I came in, I skipped around, I got to where I wanted... It wasn't until you walked back into the room that I really got perspective on how small that speaker was. That's impressive man, really impressive. I wanted to replace my center console mounted (GM stock) sub in the tahoe, and was thinking on how to improve on the design... this is is. A better thought out enclosure to make best use of the sub, which itself is far larger than what you're working with here. I'd love to have the insight, printer, etc that you have at your disposal there to whip up something as well as you have in this video. Hell, if you're this good with airspace and acoustics, you should get into one off custom enclosure for vehicles. Like Qlogic used to, and likely still does do, but used to be more known for. The remote, custom fit, stock looking options. But yours could have far more going on inside, and 3D printed as to really really really REALLY cut down on manufacturing costs.
if that's your "theater" sub. prob won't sound much like a theater. but sitting outside at a cookout or something... p.s. you can still build your own custom sub (parts express) but i wouldn't go with a 3" driver.
Paused the video where you talked about the glue up to give you a like on this video. Good info, good rationale. I paused again to plug in headphones so I could experience your results and they are jaw dropping. Fantastic video.
Feeling inspired, took me back to my days in car audio/electronics. they sounded like they needed to be played together to get full range.... nice project and thorough .. thanks
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I own a Fiero and the speakers in it are itty-bitty little drivers. 2 3.5 inch in each headrest, a right & left rear channel, then just two front r&l 4X10's in the dash. As far as volume goes, it *seems* pretty loud with the rear channels 4 inches from the ears, but just very tinny sounding. I'm looking to make some very thin wedge-shaped sub-boxes to fit behind each seat, but not be right up against the seats when in the full rear-ward position, or reclined. As a Fiero owner I can tell you that it is easier to get in & out of the drivers seat when it is fully rearward, then I have to pull it almost fully forward to drive it. (LOTS of legroom in such a tiny car) I thought of putting 6X9's in the doors, but I don't want to go hacking on my car. I would rather not have to have a huge amp, but just run them directly from the head-unit. Something like this seems do-able and practical. (in the afore mentioned wedge shape)
You should design a complete 3d printed bluetooth speaker (boombox) with a deep bass. I am convinced that it will sound very good. Greetings from Poland :)
Great video. I made a set of TL speakers with plumbing pipe to use on my workbench. What I found is that the sound improves markedly as the drivers loosen up. Having a single point source with one driver is great for stereo imaging. Something that is impossible to show in a video is the quality of the bass (not just the volume) I sometimes stop working just to enjoy a particular segment of music. TL speakers are fabulous for acoustic types of music (Dire Straits, Pink Floyd etc and also stuff with vocals- Jennifer Warns etc) Not for everyone, but I prefer quality over quantity.
I dont know how I ended up with your video, but I’m glad i did. It is truly an amazing demonstration. I’m an instant fan and subscribing! Obviously I don’t know what you do with these boxes you build. Might i buy the completed speaker from you - if no one has already asked?
Very well done! I see a lot of future into this. Imagine a portable mini sub with a bass chamber like this. Coupled all coupled over Bluetooth using ultra low latency wireless Bluetooth audio. And a pro option with a low latency soundcard in it for producing. A truly portable studio environment for on the go would be so nice.
That is an impressive build. I have one recommendation. If you build another, put a groove in between one of the halves where the two pieces meet. On the other half, instead of a groove, you put in the opposite. This will work as a barrier and prevent leakage and allow you to use CA glue instead of the messy JB Weld.
I would love to see this same principle applied in a three-way box 40-250hz 250-2000hz 2k- 20k with a sub box handling 60hz-40hz and another sub for 40 and below, as low as the 3d printed stuff will let you go
Was expecting to hear the comparison with a regular sub bass box not a tiny Bluetooth radio. Good video and info though, I was wondering if my PLA Bluetooth sound system I'm building would produce good bass.
yeah, not really to my tastes how this sounds. But damn impressive for such a small woofer and box. EDIT: Never mind, that was greatly because of the track used.
@@bassdrumflextime1253 well of course, it has about 5 inches larger displacement than the one in the video. My 10" SVS PB-1000's freq. response goes down to 19Hz ±3dB because of the large enclosure of it.
you just first who make video like this, about concert speakers and other audio system. i have concert speakers and amplifiers. your channel best ever. i from Ukraine
I did this project also now and it sound pretty darn good! Only downside is, that you have some noise when it comes to higher volume through the bassport. Otherwise incredible! Will post pics in thingiverse :-) Tip is also guaranteed! Use it with a pair of Dali Zensor Picos. Greetings from Germany!
Holy mouly. not sure how i landed on your cannel but youtube must have read my mind. Im not an audinerd by Any stretch of the imagination but your Chanel is exactly what i have Been looking for to get in to, and learn about audio system. Gerat content.
Yeah I am thinking of trying to do something like this with an alpine type r 10" I have 2 12" but think the box would need to be a lot bigger. Hell if a 3" can sound like that maybe just knock it down to an 8" or two. My 12's in shitty boxes can hit pretty hard, I wonder how much better they would be with something like this.
Great idea, great work, great execution. My guess is it works well cause of the density of the material used and of course your layout. It does sound muddy as hell though so a interesting experiment would be to remove the top half chamber and close it up with just a thick enough flat lid of the same material, and see if it tightens the bass up without losing your depth.
Nice video! Yea.... we perfected this design 6 years ago with the Minirig Sub. We 3D printed 16 different port designs for this driver before finding the perfect one. We now use our own custom driver which is much better than the TB... Great work though!
#Hexibase Would it be any help to create a lego-like link between the two surfaces to still include an adhesive? Maybe the dowels can serve as a guide and strengthen the link between the two-part enclosure. @Hexibase
First off, this is the first video of yours that I've stumbled across, and MY GOD. Such a great quality video, the work and effort that went into making sure everything was thorough, bravo! Second, the bass you managed to get out of that little guy is insane! Makes me want one!
Just needs a handle molded in somewhere along with some places for feet on the bottom, a small compartment for rolling up and stashing extra speaker wire, and some captive nut slots around the perimeter of the speaker hole so it could be mounted neatly with some hex screws. Then it'd be a pretty finished product.
it took about 1 minute in to realize I don't know shit about audio. Great stuff!
lucky you, it took me ten seconds.
@@MrSenolan 0.1nanosecond.... THE FLASH!
I knew from the thumbnail......
same here
you and me both person you and me both
Holy shit so much bass from such a tiny package. Mind blown.
Tiny?? It's enormous, IMO
Milton B I think Victor means over all size is HUGE!. I'm sure if you took the speakers from the Bluetooth and put them in the same box layout as the 3" driver you would have something better than both. :-)
A teufel rockster cross is smaller i guess and produces more bass😄
@@mxz2024 How flat/even is the bass response on the Teufel? That's the biggest problem with such a small speaker. You can get a lot of bass with the right enclosure, sure, but there will be huge spikes and drops depending on the exact frequency. Ideally you'd want the response graph to show a perfectly flat line from 25hz up to 100hz, but with such a small cone amplified by such a crazy chamber it turns the graph into a bucking bronco.
@@djhenyo true but i prefer a bit more deep bass since its more fun and for an outdoor speaker its better to have a bit boosted bass
Overall teh teufel cross spund good for a portable speaker and is rugged.
I thought the bass part was badly distorted so I googled the original and it turns out the output of your speaker is exactly what the song sounds like. What I thought must have been distortion is the result of how the artist created the song. This was an excellent video showing what can be done with a solid design and made DIY. Nobody would have thought this possible only 20 years ago. Great job!
Thanks for checking.
You need a video of that woofer just in a small sealed cube for comparison.
Using a sealed enclosure requires double the power to achieve the same level of sound so it's very inefficient and mainly used for people that demand small enclosures and don't care about power usage, but it will be very tight bass response.
@@npham54 It's very efficient at damping, hence... Well, any serious high quality of reproduction speaker will be a sealed box. Unless we go into esoteric shit like infinite baffle.
@@NGC1433 what do you mean 'esoteric shit like infinite baffle' Im sorry it may be due to the fact that im not a native english speaker , but i really dont understand what that means exactly
@@baronnashor158 The baffle is the face of the box that the driver is mounted in. The purpose of a box is to keep the sound waves from the back from destructively interfering with the sound coming off the front. A sealed box does this by damping the back wave, but it limits bass response since the sealed air chamber acts like a spring trying to resist movement of the driver.
A long tube like this design allows the back wave to come out in phase with the front (at the tuning frequency) which then adds to the front sound wave, making for more bass. The tricky part is to get a broad enough tuning to avoid the huge peaks and valleys in the response which give that boomy one note bass sound.
An infinite baffle is really just a giant wall that the speaker driver is mounted in. No box to add damping and limit excursion, and since it is 'infinite' the back wave will never come around the outside and interfere with the front wave. Nor wil it reflect off the inside of the enclosure and push on the cone. Infinite baffles sound amazing, but as you can probably guess are not even remotely affordable, or portable. It's what you do if you can afford to build a house around your stereo.
@@belstain thanks I always wondered what infinite baffle is when I see it on AVS forums and other places but never cared to look it up. Very interesting.
I'm a simple engineer. I see a 3D printed enclosure for speakers done by Hexibase I click like.Its that simple!
oh shiiiit im not even into audiophile level equipment but this video was very interesting, cheers mate
This is actually science, not audiophile pseudo-science where most of it is made up to add ridiculous price tags on basically thin air.
the driver has pretty poor frequency response range for high end audio gear, but this is still impressive output for a 3d printed enclosure
@True WingChun Sounds like you got your cable directions mixed up, better order some more Shunyata Sigmas buddy. All he said was this is real science, there are gains to be had on certain things yes. But most of the super high end audio equipment out there is never worth it. You *can* get gains from cables and other things sure, but that's on the level of like.. making sure you're not buying shitty RCA's from Walmart. Going beyond a certain level is just chasing perfection, and if you're after that level of perfection you might as well hire the band to play in your listening room every time you want to hear them.
@True WingChun this should be a copypasta if it isn't already
@True WingChun Sounds like you've blown thousands of dollars on snake oil and is getting defensive about it.
I agree that this 3D printed enclosure doesn't match a good pair of monitors, but it's an interesting experiment. You, meanwhile, reek of having drank the kool-aid.
Sincerely,
An Audio Engineer
Just imagine the sound bar you could make with two of these and the appropriate mid-range and tweeters. Even without a floor mounted separate sub. Nice work.
TheCgOrion I have been looking into passive soundbars and i think you’re absolutely right! I am looking into making a passive LCR soundbar that you can power with any 5.1 receiver or like you stated, a 2.0 sound bar that will actually sound good when listening to music
Anyone else notice that he splits the video *on beat*?? Details covered, my man. Subscribed!
I was so hoping for a download link for the box to print for myself lol
@@HexiBase sort of looks like you could create a slot type setup if the wall thickness isn't an issue for strength with that filament. Maybe a little smaller male portion to allow for a good amount of epoxy to ride in the slot and glue the two together. Probably don't need the wave profile if you do the slot.
@@HexiBase If you haven't already, try printing the two halves flat, then lightly sand to knock down any imperfections, then JB weld. You could also attempt plastic welding, certain chemicals will melt the surface of certain plastics, making them 'weld' together; though I'm not sure how effective this would be over that much surface area.
Because of the complexity of the inside of the box, if sanding then bonding doesn't resolve the issue, you may have to get more creative in how you print this.
@@HexiBase I'd love to have the plans to print the box even at it's current state. :) Great work! Maybe make it downloadable for a donation or a small fee? :)
If it would've been Printed in ABS, Acetone is a great "seal and bonder" for ABS. I glue my ABS prints primarily with Acetone, as it feels after drying like on solid piece.
But great work you did Anyways.
Printing that with most normal Printers might be hard, specially warping might be critical. I have a delta, I can't print it, Printbed is round...:D
You could have a slot on one side with a raised ridge on the other. Fill the slot with epoxy and put em together! Should work to seal any leaks.
I saw people mentioning you on the 12VTalk podcast I was on. I don't know why RUclips hasn't recommended more of your videos to me. You're amazing! Your level of knowledge and ability to explain is off the charts to me. Thank you! Subscribed!
For the bass that it handles, instead of JB welding smooth surfaces, I would use the middle 50% of all of the walls to make a tongue and groove. It will increase the area of the adhesion surface, and eliminate any air leaks you may get from separation on smooth surfaces.
DIY speaker video where the maker actually knows stuff about audio, this is something you dont see often or at all really lol I love this a lot man
Finally a channel with content on audio equipment with a solid technical background. Subscribed
This takes me back to the days when me and my friends created sub boxes with wood. We came up with many differant designs and some were very successful.
Great fun for an aspiring engenieer back in the day. Awsome technology to play with today.
The quality of that mic tripped me out
This is reminiscent of Dr. Bose at MIT. His work in the area of direct reflect speaker design led the way for the entire miniaturization of home audio. It also made him a few bucks in the process! 😉 Noise cancellation was only theoretical before he started experimenting and then he mastered it. I definitely think there is so much possible with 3D printing it should push consumer audio to amazing places just like u have done here! Nice work.
That would actually work great in a car audio application where space is an issue. That box would fit perfectly under my seats or in the back of my 4runner.
CAMYOTA R.C. You wouldn’t get much bass out of the 3 inch though
@@JacobEcret lmao what if you just print a big ass one in pieces and put a sub in THAT
@@joshd7438 use wood. faster and cheaper.
@@digibluh different sound
@@joshd7438 wood almost always sounds better
It is simply amazing how some box can make a 30 watt speaker sound like a 200 watt one, just amazing,btw good job bro
Restoring faith in traditional speakers vs. Bluetooth noisemakers.
I like the way, even the headphones (plural) are organized in his studio.
Thanks for sharing [shake]
The quality of his enclosure and the sub have nothing to do with being wired vs wireless. He could hook this up to a bluetooth receiver and it would sound the same. He actually seems to have the bluetooth "noisemaker" directly wired in. So that's fairly irrelevant.
jbl bluetooth speakers sound good
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This is similarly structured to the Bose Wave radio, except they put two bass speakers in about the same sized package. Each speaker has it's own (shorter) tube that converge together, therefore possibly cutting down on the wavelength necessary for supporting the super deep frequency your model seems to hit. Grats on this awesome design!
defiantly needs a tweeter or small full-range from 500hz up lol
Yes but it is a subwoofer so what do you expect
Or just buy 2 of these. Build 500 Hz crossovers and get 2 inch tech BMR drivers for the mids ands highs. You will get pretty decent bookshelf speakers out of the build.
Gabriel Vieira granted but he was talking about using this as a Bluetooth speaker,unless I misunderstood. I bet it could actually sound really good if you matched it to a full range like David suggested
He was talking about getting the proper sound with the speaker using technology like the 3d printer making it possible to dial in the exact specs and the speaker truly performs to its fullest ability. He sad this was a subwoofer, not a Bluetooth replacement. He was showing the difference in sound vs a Bluetooth for bass response as most Bluetooth speakers has a pair of 2" sometimes larger woofers normally with bass radiator.
bass should be rooted to the front next to sub. 1" apart in the middle
Just came here out of curiosity as I do a lot of 3D modeling and printing. Amazing to see what audiophiles are doing with the 3D printing technology. Thank you for sharing and the time & effort in preparing everything. Cheers!
Bravo my man! You put together this video very well from the material to the details, please keep up the great work! I would enjoy seeing more builds like this with different drivers and enclosure types!
Nothing seemed rushed - super clear and to the point. I liked, and I subscribed.
always impressed with your skills!
I can’t believe I found you again!! You have been amazing me since the tv speaker boxes. You’re amazing!
your 3D printed one sounds way better than a mass-produced one
Yea, those mass producers "fudge" their numbers to where you don't know what you're truly getting, and what you do get sounds rough and limited in its performance. Massive room for re-design and improvement. This is genius designed and makes those poor mass produced subwoofers feel inadequate, and cry with bass envy, and are in massive need for therapy to work through their inadequacy issues. Some of those mass produced guys turn to alcoholism, break down, and crack their speaker frames introducing a noticeable rattle that makes them feel even more inadequate until one day they end it all and burn up their voice coils. Better to be non existent than be a sub par sub woofer.
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yeah but 100times more expensive :D
@@banny123456 its not 100 times more expensive if you already have 3d printer. its only like 5 times more expensive ?
not quite... the other one is a smallbox player/speaker.... compared to a bigbox player/speaker of sony or jbl, the printed one wont be THAT much better
dont forget this is just a speaker, nothing more...
Combine this with some Raspberry Pi stuff, a bit of bluetooth, an SDR tuner unit, a small touch screen, about 4 18650 rechargeable lithium batteries, a few buttons and/or quaternary encoder knobs, the right amplifier circuit, and you'd be able to make a completely modern boombox better than you could currently get at the store.
This is why I love 3D printing. It enables people from every expertise to create and allows others with 3D printers to benefit as well.
real question, can it get as low as lil jon says to?
F*** lil jon, id rather get high!
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Lil Jon, is that someone that knows about bass or something? I see here that he does something called bass boosting...
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@@HexiBase
this video really blew up pete, more people are finally seeing your brilliance
@@HexiBase Lol nice! Btw how low is that? Did anyone check? ))
Bro this sounded so freaking cool. I love how you switched between the speakers on the beat. It sounded SOO GOOD. Felt like some sort of lofi mix or something. Lovin the vibes~!
For a better seal you can always make a female/male sides so when you put them together they seal better. With some silicone in the slot around it should have a perfect seal, some screws for added rigidity and longer lifespan would be great as well to avoid the 2 pieces from separating. A
Also it sounds very empty. It definetly needs a tweeter or a full range to lift the highs a little.
Great box nonetheless
Excellent test. Shows the MASSIVE potential for this type of application.
Can you add a link to download the cad file?
STL* :)
@waffeltek Brasil!
Is it a cad file?
CAD = Computer Aided Design
@@messerschmitt_bf109 blyat its stl...or g-code if you slice it
Man, things have changed since back in the day! I used to be a car stereo installer back in the early 1990s. I had a stack of books about sound physics and speaker box construction. Used that with my trusty number 2 pencil, some long math, some MDF wood and a wood shop.
I could have used these tools back then :)
Finally a yt vid with audio quality that actually does justice to my ultimate ears.
I know very little about audio, and most of the terminology is going straight over my head, but I'm really liking these videos, keep up the good work, hopefully I'll catch up in the long run.
Amazing. Maybe a groove for an o-ring and wholes for screws to hold it together.
Read that as “whores for screws to hold it together”
I'm barely grasping what you're talking about.. but I love it! Audio is a whole new world for me, but I want to extend my 3D printing project options, thank you!
The driver with the 3d printed enclosure sound soooo fine.
The measured response is in your room, so not only the speaker produced that result. But it is very low, I would run it through some digital room correction EQ so it sounds flat. Nice job!
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Max Lindner you funny 😆
Excellent design, there are also interesting ways of increasing the path volume as it gets close to its exit to even get it a bit deeper.
Now imagine one of them 20'' subs in one of these cases. (no air leaks included.)
That will crack some walls.
obviously scaled up since it wouldnt even work without it being scaled up like 6.66x
mmmmm no
@@TheFreesabin
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Or the print
That will crack the plastic
It'd sound terrible given that the unit alone would be larger than the entire box, absolutely would not fit the 3" mounting hole, and box volume would be waaaaay too small for a unit of that size.
Well, you did say _"in that EXACT case"_ ...
That’s wild dude!! Sounds amazing!!
Dang it hits so deep and low and its basically a computer subwoofer thats crazy. I subscribed for sure lol
This is how they make bass drivers for space limited devices like phones and tablets. If you open one up, you'll see a sealed rectangular chamber, with a similar pattern inside.
Just wow. That bass is remarkable in the comparison!
It'd be cool to see a stereo version of this, and with Bluetooth and AUX in. but I know this is the "Beta" version
Thumbs up for all the effort and resisting the temptation to make this vid longer than needed. Good job.
Are you willing to share your .stl or .obj?
i second this
@@juansalcedo2854 I third this! I have this sub already.
I fourth this. I might even buy a better 3DP this time around.
I.... fifth this? Fusion file would be awesome.
Ask AvE to mill you an enclosure on the town pump CNC!
This is highly useful. I have a couple of drivers from a Bose wave system that had the mad idea to create 3D printed enclosures for. This is a great proof of concept for my project. Thanks so much for this!
How about comparing it to a decent Bluetooth speaker, even somewhere close to the same size?
There’s not any “decent” BT speakers that are going to come anywhere close to that sound.
@@erictheboringone5292 Bowers and Wilikins has some to offer like the Zeppelin, Marshall got some, even the JBL Boombox, when dialed in via an equalizer. But hey, you are the sole expert, the best and most knowledgeable in the world, ain't you? So why bother arguing with you? Btw, good luck getting an usable bluetooth functionality in that thing.
@@erictheboringone5292 I'm sure you've experienced every bluetooth speaker on the market, haven't you?
Firstly I never once said I was an expert nor even implied it. With that out of the way I have in fact extensively listened to many of the more expensive offerings from the brands you mentioned and apparently categorize as “decent” because of their high price and recognizable brand name as opposed to their actual sound signature. None of the “decent” aka overpriced Chinese garbage have sound that travels any distance and that’s especially so for the bass notes. Oh and we aren’t comparing the sound after having to fiddle with some pitiful excuse of a 3 band EQ. Sound for sound as they are I doubt any are going to compare.
Have you tried Bose's Soundlink Mini II? I own one and it ticks all the boxes.
Man that’s unbelievable for a 3” speaker! You are the Man! Wow!
Should have explained what you thought it was equivalent to retail wise. Based on the binaural mic the bluetooth speaker sounds tiny, and the bass on the 3d print is impressive but distorted. Should have included a direct clip of the track for reference as well.
francis chow the song has distorted sounding bass which doesn’t help.
Thanks for the info. Designed and 3D printed my own case. Followed similar straight line approach and got surprisingly excellent response. Fits perfectly in the back seat of my old school 325 convertible with a simple 100watt sub amp.
It it quite impressive. Sound wave is so amazing 😍.
I admit, I came in, I skipped around, I got to where I wanted... It wasn't until you walked back into the room that I really got perspective on how small that speaker was. That's impressive man, really impressive. I wanted to replace my center console mounted (GM stock) sub in the tahoe, and was thinking on how to improve on the design... this is is. A better thought out enclosure to make best use of the sub, which itself is far larger than what you're working with here. I'd love to have the insight, printer, etc that you have at your disposal there to whip up something as well as you have in this video. Hell, if you're this good with airspace and acoustics, you should get into one off custom enclosure for vehicles. Like Qlogic used to, and likely still does do, but used to be more known for. The remote, custom fit, stock looking options. But yours could have far more going on inside, and 3D printed as to really really really REALLY cut down on manufacturing costs.
i should build one of those on a larger scale in my subfloor into the basement where my theater room is. omg!
That would be cool as hell! Let me know when you get it done and I'll come over and we'll watch a good movie with some amazing action and bass... JK 😁
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if that's your "theater" sub. prob won't sound much like a theater. but sitting outside at a cookout or something...
p.s. you can still build your own custom sub (parts express) but i wouldn't go with a 3" driver.
Paused the video where you talked about the glue up to give you a like on this video. Good info, good rationale. I paused again to plug in headphones so I could experience your results and they are jaw dropping. Fantastic video.
Of Course it can!!! I've been looking at that sub FOR a while just never could think of any application to use it in
Feeling inspired, took me back to my days in car audio/electronics. they sounded like they needed to be played together to get full range.... nice project and thorough .. thanks
I'm glad for listening this difference on my 5.1 and not on my phone. :-D
Can’t believe how well the bass is playing low so far away at 7:45 from that little driver
Any chance of trying to print an enclosure using the Fibonacci Sequence? In theory, its the perfect shape for sound.
It also makes some rather awesome songs.
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I own a Fiero and the speakers in it are itty-bitty little drivers. 2 3.5 inch in each headrest, a right & left rear channel, then just two front r&l 4X10's in the dash. As far as volume goes, it *seems* pretty loud with the rear channels 4 inches from the ears, but just very tinny sounding. I'm looking to make some very thin wedge-shaped sub-boxes to fit behind each seat, but not be right up against the seats when in the full rear-ward position, or reclined. As a Fiero owner I can tell you that it is easier to get in & out of the drivers seat when it is fully rearward, then I have to pull it almost fully forward to drive it. (LOTS of legroom in such a tiny car) I thought of putting 6X9's in the doors, but I don't want to go hacking on my car. I would rather not have to have a huge amp, but just run them directly from the head-unit. Something like this seems do-able and practical. (in the afore mentioned wedge shape)
You should design a complete 3d printed bluetooth speaker (boombox) with a deep bass.
I am convinced that it will sound very good.
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Great video. I made a set of TL speakers with plumbing pipe to use on my workbench. What I found is that the sound improves markedly as the drivers loosen up.
Having a single point source with one driver is great for stereo imaging.
Something that is impossible to show in a video is the quality of the bass (not just the volume) I sometimes stop working just to enjoy a particular segment of music. TL speakers are fabulous for acoustic types of music (Dire Straits, Pink Floyd etc and also stuff with vocals- Jennifer Warns etc) Not for everyone, but I prefer quality over quantity.
I dont know how I ended up with your video, but I’m glad i did. It is truly an amazing demonstration.
I’m an instant fan and subscribing!
Obviously I don’t know what you do with these boxes you build. Might i buy the completed speaker from you - if no one has already asked?
IslandBoy Slot You could ask someone to print it for you
@@maxs.8146 Klixtra ;)
@@Max-do6yj anyone making the boxes he created to sell ?
Very well done! I see a lot of future into this. Imagine a portable mini sub with a bass chamber like this. Coupled all coupled over Bluetooth using ultra low latency wireless Bluetooth audio. And a pro option with a low latency soundcard in it for producing.
A truly portable studio environment for on the go would be so nice.
That is an impressive build. I have one recommendation. If you build another, put a groove in between one of the halves where the two pieces meet. On the other half, instead of a groove, you put in the opposite. This will work as a barrier and prevent leakage and allow you to use CA glue instead of the messy JB Weld.
Love how u did this great way to compare
I would love to see this same principle applied in a three-way box 40-250hz 250-2000hz 2k- 20k with a sub box handling 60hz-40hz and another sub for 40 and below, as low as the 3d printed stuff will let you go
Huge difference! Really appreciate your approach, that’s some nice equipment and skills to match.
When you finish tweaking the design, can you post up the download link for it? Id be veryy happy to pay for it. Amazing video as always!
Wow , Fred sounds pretty good 😍 very deep bass , kinda distorted still and not much mids and stuff but pretty capable enclosure niiice
Sounds nice (at least through RUclips and my headphones)
Holy crap I didn't realise how small that thing was until you stood next to it with the mic. That's monsterous bass for a tiny little thing like that
Was expecting to hear the comparison with a regular sub bass box not a tiny Bluetooth radio.
Good video and info though, I was wondering if my PLA Bluetooth sound system I'm building would produce good bass.
The bass sounds way better than I expected from the graph
Note to self based on this video: Big box small woofer = Big Sound , Tiny Enclosure Miniature speaker = Lilliputian sound
Wow! That's quite a HUGE difference, amazing! Great work.
Sounds like it's very boomy in the 50Hz range. I'd love for something like this to go down to 35 or even 30Hz
yeah, not really to my tastes how this sounds. But damn impressive for such a small woofer and box.
EDIT: Never mind, that was greatly because of the track used.
@@nimmen Yeah I guess so too. Can't wait for the STL so I can print it myself and try it out.
My 8 inch goes to 40 lol
@@bassdrumflextime1253 well of course, it has about 5 inches larger displacement than the one in the video. My 10" SVS PB-1000's freq. response goes down to 19Hz ±3dB because of the large enclosure of it.
Dang I have my 8 inch in a small enclosure and it goes down to 40Hz
You’re a madman! Nice work!
Damm thats damm impressive! But i see from the woofer design itself..its quite capable to produce good sound quality..
Subbed!
@Apollo Smile literally 😂
double damn
Dann that damn damn!
Your print quality is fantastic!
you just first who make video like this, about concert speakers and other audio system. i have concert speakers and amplifiers. your channel best ever. i from Ukraine
I did this project also now and it sound pretty darn good! Only downside is, that you have some noise when it comes to higher volume through the bassport. Otherwise incredible! Will post pics in thingiverse :-) Tip is also guaranteed! Use it with a pair of Dali Zensor Picos. Greetings from Germany!
U just made your own beat 😂 by shifting the video between two speaker
You work with great professionalism.
I like your seriousness and details.
His passion is a reference
*plays with realtek equalizer* "Yep, sounds good!"
Holy mouly. not sure how i landed on your cannel but youtube must have read my mind. Im not an audinerd by Any stretch of the imagination but your Chanel is exactly what i have Been looking for to get in to, and learn about audio system. Gerat content.
awesome. now for a 4 piece that you can put a 10" in. haha. but thats pretty dang cool
Yeah I am thinking of trying to do something like this with an alpine type r 10" I have 2 12" but think the box would need to be a lot bigger. Hell if a 3" can sound like that maybe just knock it down to an 8" or two. My 12's in shitty boxes can hit pretty hard, I wonder how much better they would be with something like this.
Great idea, great work, great execution. My guess is it works well cause of the density of the material used and of course your layout. It does sound muddy as hell though so a interesting experiment would be to remove the top half chamber and close it up with just a thick enough flat lid of the same material, and see if it tightens the bass up without losing your depth.
An ultra wide, this man understands the greatness of a ultrawide
Nice video! Yea.... we perfected this design 6 years ago with the Minirig Sub. We 3D printed 16 different port designs for this driver before finding the perfect one. We now use our own custom driver which is much better than the TB... Great work though!
www.minirigs.co.uk/speakers/minirig-subwoofer-3
#Hexibase Would it be any help to create a lego-like link between the two surfaces to still include an adhesive? Maybe the dowels can serve as a guide and strengthen the link between the two-part enclosure. @Hexibase
First off, this is the first video of yours that I've stumbled across, and MY GOD. Such a great quality video, the work and effort that went into making sure everything was thorough, bravo! Second, the bass you managed to get out of that little guy is insane! Makes me want one!
Not bad. The comparison is nuts though... the "generic BT speaker" has got 1/10 of the volume maybe. And it includes amplifier, battery, etc ;)
Just needs a handle molded in somewhere along with some places for feet on the bottom, a small compartment for rolling up and stashing extra speaker wire, and some captive nut slots around the perimeter of the speaker hole so it could be mounted neatly with some hex screws. Then it'd be a pretty finished product.
True audio geek shit... i love it.. the ppl who dislike this video just didn't understand the concept... and they never will👍🏾👏🏾🤘🏽
You are awesome dude!
I'll definitely do this.
Thx for sharing your passion and project 🤙🏻