It was a good conference that was easy to love until the entitled 3 left for the Big 12. Hard to be excited about the in-conference games for this upcoming season... Tulane, Memphis, SMU and Navy are the only teams with any prestige left in the conference, although I'm biased and include Tulsa in that mix.
SMU has great history back in the day also a good location. It would benefit the acc and pac 12 to align and add SMU. This will be a national conference explanding the acc network national doubling the acc network subscriptions. Also pac need to sell game to prime, ion, cw and already have apple. Each team 1 trip across the country play a Saturday and Thursday game a year would equal 4 games against the other conference. oth acc and pac need to act fast.
The deal with escalator option viability seems questionable, some estimates based of MLS package price on Apple TV+, even if every household in the US got a subscription would still be implausible could generate enough revenue to match the Big 12 media deal.
There will be 3 super conferences but room for G5 school(s) to reach CFP. Mustangs have better chance in AAC than if they join super conference. When / if SMU draws 40k fans at home games, they’ll get promoted. But they are better off in AAC for now. TCU not your friend.
@@blackreign487houston a SEC or Big10 target is funny AF! dude they barely got into the Big12 and those confs would take 8 teams in the Big12 before houston.
SMU just needs to be patient and be glad they did not join the pac 12. SMU need to expand their brand win football games against good times. The future for SMU is bright. i could see them one day go SEC or big 12. The big 12 is safe for a while, but what is happening to Pac could happen to big 12. The big 12 was smart, expanding, and getting a tv contract before pac.
lmao, The Big12 will never add another tx team they barely got Houston in. U can't have a conf with half the teams in 1 state or the other teams will leave. Keep dreaming of the SEC they will take Big12 teams before they take a G5 school. SMU is just crap out of luck.
I’ve been saying this since people thought that this was the only and best move, No it’s not. Why was our fanbase acting like this was a lifeboat worth trying to get in but it turned out we were trying to hop aboard the Titanic. This conference was on death’s door the minute Kliavkoff and the PAC decided not to go after the Big 12 when blood was in the water. It is the PAC 12 and their high academic standards that have done them in, I’m sorry this is a sports conference not academics. Sure that used to be a big deal in these things back in the day but those standard requirements should be dead as now sports at least the ones that are important are all about money. I find it tragic that we’ve done almost all we can yet we’re going to be most likely stuck due to the incompetence of another conference’s administration not ours. The only reason the Big 12 has never been super interested in us is not because of the market overlap or the lack of major wins in the last decade, but because TT, T*U, and Baylor are all scared shitless of SMU genuinely returning to the pony express days but this time it would be all above board and there is no longer the ability to whine to NCAA to kill us again.
The final death blow was when the Big 12 opted to extend their contract early and took the TV deal from ESPN and Fox that the PAC in their arrogance turned down. It just took them a year to realize it.
PAC12 High academic standards? What planet are you residing on? CAL, Washington St. Oregon St. Arizona St, Arizona, as long as you are breathing with a pathetic 2.0 high school GPA you can get in.
they don't have an escalation clause for Oregon and Washington. Oregon and Washington just agreed to half shares to join the Big 10. I think they start out at 30 million a year and it increases 1 million a year for the rest of this contract.
@@amac701 iF THAT IS NOT the definition of escalator clause, I do not know what is... No one had to be asked, it was ALREADY in the BIG10 contract a year ago
As a Tulsa fan, I can say for both schools: the new AAC's constituency is watered down and banal. Charlotte? ECU, Temple, UAB? Rice? SMU is years ahead of those programs. SMU has consistently made TCU dump their shorts for the past 10 years in exciting fashion. Sucks that college football will have a group of "haves" and "have nots" and there's nothing that can be done about it. SMU is merely one of the nicest looking horses in the glue factory that is the AAC / G of 5.
Don't blame Apple. At least they gave the PAC a real deal. Who else was there? You should know the market drives the value. The PAC didn't exactly have a lot of options.
Looking slimmer and slimmer that the Mustangs are not going to get to buy their way into a Power 4 Conference. Neither the brand, attendance or the viewership meets the mark. Take your 220 million and invest it in Apple.
I feel horrible for SMooo. They are finally getting their chance at the big-time again....and the conference is falling apart. Dang it! The Pac leadership is unbelievable. They totally shot themselves in the foot with their lack of urgency and short term greed vs's longterm stability. The Pac should have added SDSU about 4 years ago and done like the Big10 when they added Penn St and went with odd numbers for about 10 years. I am feeling....the SMU should maybe stick it out in the AAC for a while, but the future seems very unstable right now with how many power conferences will be left in a few years.
LOL, no. It was not out of greed. Greed would have been to actually get a deal Years ago when they had the opportunity. PAC failure is sheer unadulterated INCOMPETENCE caused by arrogance. Their finances have been beyond BAD for well over a decade compared to the other leagues. SDSU did not join because the financial incentive was piss poor.
Dude. A Public university with a bigger fanbase who's been more consistent on the field and has a top 5 basketball program. Houston doesnt have any other Big12 team near its metro .........No sir. Buck up you still have the glorious memories of Erick Dickerson and the cheating in the 80s.
@@twomastatop 5 bball program? lmao. U can't say u have a top 5 bball program when u played Mostly D2 schools the whole yr. Houston won't finish in top 6 in the Big12.
@@TimmyPruitt166 more final fours than smu will ever have. Have they had one this century...doubt it. Good luck losing to the Directional State School in the Carolinas.
"So close but yet so far". Perhaps SMU should get a flag made up with this phrase printed on it? Meaning based on the Big 10 now moving toward inviting 4 PAC schools and ASU and Arizona regents finally meeting on 8/3 to discuss pursuing a Big 12 invite or going with this bad Apple deal. The probability of SMU getting into a Power 5 Conference now appears to be somewhere between slim and none. You offer all these lame comments about streaming being the future and how easy it is to do it, but not one time did you comment on how crappy it would be to have to play your games on a week nite or for the time being how negatively it would effect recruitment. Much less the 10 plus million dollar difference in what the Big 12 is going to get over the PAC. Plus ESPN & Fox will carry their games and most of them will be played on Saturdays. The ACC is not an option because when it's all over the Big 1G, SEC and Big 12 will porch their conference. Looks like Coach Dykes knew what he was doing when he dumped SMU for TCU. Any time you want to to see what the big boy table looks like I am sure that TCU will sell you a ticket and have plenty of water on hand for you when you get there.
ACC? Wishful thinking on your part. It's only a matter of time before the top 8 ACC teams either go to the Big 1G or SEC. Teams 9 to 12 most likely go to the Big 12. And forget Big 12 membership because it's just not viable to have 2 Big 12 teams within 33 miles of each other. In the end there will be just 3 Power Conferences. No doubt the Pony's can try to win the AAC on a regular basis but there's little or no prestige in winning it. The Pony's will eventually be just like Boise State. Wins a lot but gets little or no respect. In regards to building up the South End Zone what good is that going to do when you can't put butts in all your seats now.
Uhh, they're currently not only in the ACC but dominating it without a loss as arguably the 2nd or 3rd best program in the conference. This comment aged like fine milk
SMU is where they should be....they should learn to love their conference.
It was a good conference that was easy to love until the entitled 3 left for the Big 12. Hard to be excited about the in-conference games for this upcoming season... Tulane, Memphis, SMU and Navy are the only teams with any prestige left in the conference, although I'm biased and include Tulsa in that mix.
I think SMU’s best chance is win the AAC consistently and get a playoff spot as champion.
I've heard that in order for pac to reach big12 money, the conference would have to be somewhere around 32 million sunscriptions.
There are 131.2 million US households. There are not 32 million households in the US that watch college football!
Wildly unrealistic. Terrible deal.
SMU has great history back in the day also a good location. It would benefit the acc and pac 12 to align and add SMU. This will be a national conference explanding the acc network national doubling the acc network subscriptions. Also pac need to sell game to prime, ion, cw and already have apple. Each team 1 trip across the country play a Saturday and Thursday game a year would equal 4 games against the other conference. oth acc and pac need to act fast.
The deal with escalator option viability seems questionable, some estimates based of MLS package price on Apple TV+, even if every household in the US got a subscription would still be implausible could generate enough revenue to match the Big 12 media deal.
PAC 12 was SMU and San Diego St only chance at power 5, and it looks like the pac is toast
You can’t budget a Athletic budget on subscriptions!! Lol Didn’t go well with the Pac-12 network!! Lol
There will be 3 super conferences but room for G5 school(s) to reach CFP. Mustangs have better chance in AAC than if they join super conference.
When / if SMU draws 40k fans at home games, they’ll get promoted. But they are better off in AAC for now.
TCU not your friend.
Been a while since Tech/SMU has played...would love to see that game again now that SMU is competitive nowdays.
are they competive? they play all teams 1 step away from D2.
SMU will have to wait if another Texas team leaves or demand for them changes.
Lets say the Big10 plucks a TCU or Tech in 10 years. Maybe the SEC takes Okst. Then SMU slides in.
@twomasta if that happens, Big 12 will be in trouble. In 10 years, some people think Houston will be SEC or Big 10 target.
@@blackreign487houston a SEC or Big10 target is funny AF! dude they barely got into the Big12 and those confs would take 8 teams in the Big12 before houston.
SMU just needs to be patient and be glad they did not join the pac 12. SMU need to expand their brand win football games against good times. The future for SMU is bright. i could see them one day go SEC or big 12. The big 12 is safe for a while, but what is happening to Pac could happen to big 12. The big 12 was smart, expanding, and getting a tv contract before pac.
lmao, The Big12 will never add another tx team they barely got Houston in. U can't have a conf with half the teams in 1 state or the other teams will leave. Keep dreaming of the SEC they will take Big12 teams before they take a G5 school. SMU is just crap out of luck.
I’ve been saying this since people thought that this was the only and best move, No it’s not. Why was our fanbase acting like this was a lifeboat worth trying to get in but it turned out we were trying to hop aboard the Titanic. This conference was on death’s door the minute Kliavkoff and the PAC decided not to go after the Big 12 when blood was in the water. It is the PAC 12 and their high academic standards that have done them in, I’m sorry this is a sports conference not academics. Sure that used to be a big deal in these things back in the day but those standard requirements should be dead as now sports at least the ones that are important are all about money. I find it tragic that we’ve done almost all we can yet we’re going to be most likely stuck due to the incompetence of another conference’s administration not ours. The only reason the Big 12 has never been super interested in us is not because of the market overlap or the lack of major wins in the last decade, but because TT, T*U, and Baylor are all scared shitless of SMU genuinely returning to the pony express days but this time it would be all above board and there is no longer the ability to whine to NCAA to kill us again.
The final death blow was when the Big 12 opted to extend their contract early and took the TV deal from ESPN and Fox that the PAC in their arrogance turned down. It just took them a year to realize it.
PAC12 High academic standards? What planet are you residing on? CAL, Washington St. Oregon St. Arizona St, Arizona, as long as you are breathing with a pathetic 2.0 high school GPA you can get in.
Uh, yes, they do have escalators for Washington/Oregon in their contract was what others have said but NOT for CAL/Stanford.
they don't have an escalation clause for Oregon and Washington. Oregon and Washington just agreed to half shares to join the Big 10. I think they start out at 30 million a year and it increases 1 million a year for the rest of this contract.
@@amac701 iF THAT IS NOT the definition of escalator clause, I do not know what is... No one had to be asked, it was ALREADY in the BIG10 contract a year ago
@@w8stral sorry, I thought you meant a pro-rata clause like the Big 12 has with ESPN for P5 teams, where the media deal escalates at full espn value.
As a Tulsa fan, I can say for both schools: the new AAC's constituency is watered down and banal. Charlotte? ECU, Temple, UAB? Rice? SMU is years ahead of those programs. SMU has consistently made TCU dump their shorts for the past 10 years in exciting fashion. Sucks that college football will have a group of "haves" and "have nots" and there's nothing that can be done about it. SMU is merely one of the nicest looking horses in the glue factory that is the AAC / G of 5.
Don't blame Apple. At least they gave the PAC a real deal. Who else was there? You should know the market drives the value. The PAC didn't exactly have a lot of options.
Come on Big 12 get the pony’s
Oregon and Washington have aleady been vented and cleared by the Big Ten , not sure about Cal and Stanford
They want Cal and Stanford just for academics and research money!
@@TimmyPruitt166turns out they just wanted to Oregon and Washington. Stanford and Cal now have uncertain futures, probably independent.
The Pac is going to go down soon , so San Diego State and SMU want to join over.
Looking slimmer and slimmer that the Mustangs are not going to get to buy their way into a Power 4 Conference. Neither the brand, attendance or the viewership meets the mark. Take your 220 million and invest it in Apple.
I feel horrible for SMooo. They are finally getting their chance at the big-time again....and the conference is falling apart. Dang it! The Pac leadership is unbelievable. They totally shot themselves in the foot with their lack of urgency and short term greed vs's longterm stability. The Pac should have added SDSU about 4 years ago and done like the Big10 when they added Penn St and went with odd numbers for about 10 years.
I am feeling....the SMU should maybe stick it out in the AAC for a while, but the future seems very unstable right now with how many power conferences will be left in a few years.
LOL, no. It was not out of greed. Greed would have been to actually get a deal Years ago when they had the opportunity. PAC failure is sheer unadulterated INCOMPETENCE caused by arrogance. Their finances have been beyond BAD for well over a decade compared to the other leagues. SDSU did not join because the financial incentive was piss poor.
We are doomed!
SMU should have gotten into the big 12 over houston
in your dreams
Dude. A Public university with a bigger fanbase who's been more consistent on the field and has a top 5 basketball program. Houston doesnt have any other Big12 team near its metro .........No sir. Buck up you still have the glorious memories of Erick Dickerson and the cheating in the 80s.
@@twomastatop 5 bball program? lmao. U can't say u have a top 5 bball program when u played Mostly D2 schools the whole yr. Houston won't finish in top 6 in the Big12.
@@TimmyPruitt166 more final fours than smu will ever have. Have they had one this century...doubt it. Good luck losing to the Directional State School in the Carolinas.
@@twomasta i'm not a SMU fan moron, u can't play in a weak conf and say u have a top5 program. My team is already in the Big12.
"So close but yet so far". Perhaps SMU should get a flag made up with this phrase printed on it? Meaning based on the Big 10 now moving toward inviting 4 PAC schools and ASU and Arizona regents finally meeting on 8/3 to discuss pursuing a Big 12 invite or going with this bad Apple deal. The probability of SMU getting into a Power 5 Conference now appears to be somewhere between slim and none. You offer all these lame comments about streaming being the future and how easy it is to do it, but not one time did you comment on how crappy it would be to have to play your games on a week nite or for the time being how negatively it would effect recruitment. Much less the 10 plus million dollar difference in what the Big 12 is going to get over the PAC. Plus ESPN & Fox will carry their games and most of them will be played on Saturdays. The ACC is not an option because when it's all over the Big 1G, SEC and Big 12 will porch their conference. Looks like Coach Dykes knew what he was doing when he dumped SMU for TCU. Any time you want to to see what the big boy table looks like I am sure that TCU will sell you a ticket and have plenty of water on hand for you when you get there.
ACC? Wishful thinking on your part. It's only a matter of time before the top 8 ACC teams either go to the Big 1G or SEC. Teams 9 to 12 most likely go to the Big 12. And forget Big 12 membership because it's just not viable to have 2 Big 12 teams within 33 miles of each other. In the end there will be just 3 Power Conferences. No doubt the Pony's can try to win the AAC on a regular basis but there's little or no prestige in winning it. The Pony's will eventually be just like Boise State. Wins a lot but gets little or no respect. In regards to building up the South End Zone what good is that going to do when you can't put butts in all your seats now.
Uhh, they're currently not only in the ACC but dominating it without a loss as arguably the 2nd or 3rd best program in the conference. This comment aged like fine milk
It’s not looking good