I'm confident that by Ryzen 8000 apus, most triple A titles will be able to run off of 5w tdp at around 720p 40fps. 5wtdp + maybe an extra 5w for rest of system power, you'd be looking at like 4-5 hours depending on battery size. Won't really be seeing more than that until solid state batteries
Re: panels the hardest part is *sourcing* the panels. You can't even get switch OLED panels from Samsung display. They'd be perfect for a lot of these machines.
I was just going to say this. Nobody makes an AMD tablet. I really want something to replace my Surface Go 2 with an AMD product that has better iGPU. The Onexplayer is still chunky, but still it can be a tablet.
Personally i feel that most games do well on even the smallest displays for handhelds, especially how a lot are console optimised and made to not throw a lot of small information on the screen, nor feature rich menus/prompts. For me the more important part is the ability to throw out HDMI to an external monitor and to take a bluetooth controller or mouse/keyboard (and the ability to take full plugged in power and great thermals). I still want to be able to have a richer gaming experience when i do decide to sit down, but to still be able to just unwire and take it with me in a sinch when i want to roll out.
Probably will unlike some handheld who keep making more and announcing new ones after one just launched asus been updating etc.. to really get performance and stuff and not making new ones they might make a budget one but I doubt they gonna stop supporting especially since they competing mainly with steam deck and deck has amazing software and support so it only makes sense for asus to keep supporting
They will since the egpu is available on it and the whole Flow series is nothing but a success this device will be supported for at least the next 5 years but am not sure about an upgrade since this technology is advancing in a slow manner
I will be deff holding out on a SteamDeck2. I have the OG one and as much as I love it it still lacks a bit of power and screen to unlock its full potential, was thinking on selling it and getting an Ally yet I feel this handheld devices are still in testing stages for what they need to be in power to battery ratio. their next iterations will probably get most things sorted out with better chip, faster SSD, Hall Sensors, hopefully an oled display and better battery life.
you do know that Valve said the next revision steam deck will most likely have the same APU as the current one? They want to keep on RDNA2 with those current low tdp performances.
The Ally could be the way to go with bestbuy 2yr warranty. You'll probably get a free upgrade within in 2yrs😅. I like the VRR benefit that the experience will always be smooth. The plus for the Ally is having Gamepass and anti cheat games. Keep the deck for what it is great at. Both are awesome in their own right.
@@tomoprime217 my friend has an Ally and he says that sometimes it feels unresponsive and sometimes it works flawlessly. probably needs an armored crate version of windows like the Windeck is doing for SteamDeck. I could get an ally just feels like the moment I get it a new version for any of this will come out with way better features. id deff sell the Steam deck, I don't need to handheld pc tbh. do you own one or both?? how do you like the Ally??
@@Quiqueleal85 tbh I game on a 16" rtx 2080mq laptop. I also have a 3060 ti desktop. Atm I stream xbox and pc games to a 6.8" S23 Ultra to get more portable. I am saving up for a Valve Deckard or potentially getting a meta quest 3. Now and then I am totally drawn to getting a handheld but these seem to get replaced by newer hardware that has even worse battery life. I can see the fomo appeal here but my practical side (wallet) says to wait. I dipped my toe into VR a while back (PSVR, Rift S, Reverb G2 V2) and my mind is a split decision away going handheld or vr. A part of me wonders if Valve Deckard will figure out a handheld mode for 2d gaming inside VR. I have a feeling the current steamdeck will have an even longer life if it hits retail. Valve takes forever to refresh hardware. The Ally is currently the best bang for the buck vrr screen wise. Plus you can remote stream your games off a more powerful PC at 120hz 1080p and extend the local battery life. I might at least wait to see how the newer $599 base Z1 launch goes. Even that is a step up above the deck. Note rumor has it Gamestop will be selling refurbished steamdecks. Probably means they will sell and buy decks going forward.
yes this is the type of video i was waiting for...i wish we got a rank in order of which has the best display, then perhaps controls, best performance, best features, and so on...like a checklist of sorts with all of them lined up and actually compared side by side, kind of like you did with the battery
Would be interesting to see comparisons of some of these devices running with DDR5 6400 vs 7500. Not just in terms of performance but also power usage, to see whether the FPS increase is worth the cost in battery life, especially with smaller handhelds like the Air 1s.
seems to give a couple fps boost, but then i also read the reason some don't go with 7500 or lock theirs to 6400, is because 7500 has compatibility issues, but yeah definitely should be compared properly, we need videos actually comparing the devices side by side, really showing the screen differences and other features, not each device segmented off in separate clips
I picked up the Aya Neo 2 second hand for about 500 and it has blown me away with just how powerful these handhelds are. It can run all my games and I can't wait to play PS2 and GameCube games on it too!
@@SuicidalSummerSnowWoman I bought it on offer up. I would use offer up, Mercari, eBay, and FB marketplace to look for one. Only buy from established accounts and not brand new 0 stars ones. I would also recommend recording yourself opening the shipped box if you do get it shipped for proof if they try to scam you. The reason he sold it so low was that the SSD light was flashing red in the back and he didn't know what it was. I swapped out the SSD and it's good as new.
@@7ssav the Ayaneo 2 is definitely powerful enough for modern games. Don't expect anything crazy but I can play Starfield and BG3 on it without any issues.
Definitely the Onexplayer 2 pro. All in 1 device that can replace my laptop, tablet and steam deck. And 8.4" is the perfect size IMO, very pocketable with the joycons detached and at the same time has a relatively large screen. I just wish they could release a standard version with a lower price point. I don't really need 32gb ram and 1tb SSD.
Have ya seem the AyaNeo Kun?? I'm praying that one is more affordable at least . But 8.4in w/ 1600p , dual touchpads , 75Wh battery it probably will cost as much. But glad to see another with touchpads
The Ally is a monster playing RDR2 at and almost constant 60 fps 1080p is great. No complaints from me. The ROG ally has been worth the money in my experience.
@@dirkwood4544 I've been able to play most games on the ally at 1080p and ultra settings and still get 60 fps. some I drop to 720p but still ultra, not a huge difference between the 2. since the last update I run most of them at 15 watts and my temps are about 60 c consistently
The ROG Ally XG port sucks not just because it's propietary and locks you to Asus, it's virtually impossible to get one outside of the USA. I've been looking for one in Spain since I got my Ally to no avail.
@bipbop3121 yea I'm surprised that the ally was his favorite out of all them. I've spent time with the ally and I wasn't "Wowed" by it but for the money it's a great device. I will admit that the screen quality and VRR make the experience much better.
I really did love the Ally, everything just seemed brilliant until they hit a couple of hurdles. If I had the money spare I would have kept it as Id already installed a 2tb drive. But a new sd card died, was unrecoverable, slot didn't work great after. They offered a new unit but I chose to take my cash and wait for revisions. If money was no object, I would have kept it and just not used the slot at all. Back on the trusty steam deck currently, does what it does phenomenally.
Im really happy with the performance of the ally after bios 323. Its night and day better from 12-25ish watts. Starting to really believe those claims about the z1 being more efficient at lower tdps now! They clearly rushed this product out, but its going to age like a fine wine as they improve the drivers and bios even further. Also, no sd card issues on my end
Hopefully there will be a way to tell with a new tech refresh on the SD card trouble. I believe the Z1 has better tdp lows than the stock 7840U which is a mobile apu by design. The question is will we see other Z handhelds in the future?
Gpd Win4 has a 6" slide up display not 7 😂 5:21min. Rog Ally has a 40 watt hr battery not a 45. It also has a VRR display which supports freesync 9:17min.
didnt expect the Ally to come out as your favourite here to be honest, with such a great selection i thought something else would pip it but as an owner of the Ally you are right, it does still have that 120hz display, the VRR, and the updates are certainly going in the right direction, slow progress if you ask me but solid progress when it happens, been really enjoying the Ally, long may that support last, lets hope.
I think people are so cautious with Asus and whether or not they’ll keep consistent. A lot of people seem to think they’re just gonna drop it. I hope not because I love mine and all the updates are working as they should.
@@cody3335 yeh Asus certainly does not have the track record to back them like valve for example… I think people are hoping asus also does not go the same way as ayaneo and start dropping handhelds left and right so the ally gets outdated before it’s really got out of it’s crawling stage. Like you say though asus is doing ok so far, the updates are coming and are making positive changes so let’s hope it keeps going, if it does then I’ll be happy to buy a ally 2 if they choose to do one next year or something.
I hope these will continue to flourish. I already have a steamdeck so i dont need any of these... yet. But a few years down the line, i know ill be looking for a replacemnt for it. By then i hope we get even better selection!!!
I think the first Steam Deck was just a test-balloon for Valve to see if there's a market and how the community reacts. Turns out they just hit the right spot and you can assume that they're already working on an more potent update to grab more market share - and this will probably not take too long, since they know the competitors are already there
He said that ally is his favourite among those handhelds, means he still love it more than other for his use case despite the problems. Everything has their own problems actually
@@LETSGETITINGAMING what do you expect from someone who is spend his every hour testing things editing and publishing the content if not for financial benefit. i am not sure that you want to spend your time for more than 40 working hours per video like him then just to be paid a litttle. just be wise and manage your expectation for these kind youtube business
I tried the air myself, the screen is just too small to truly enjoy. I found myself adjusting my normal playing position with the screen almost in my face just to play.
It is really awesome that we can now get such strong performance in such a portable package. Exciting times for PC gaming. Now if Microsoft can get off their duff and provide a handheld UI for windows we'll really be rolling. Until that happens though I'll be sticking to the units that have built in track pads (and a kayboard is still nice too).
Considering they failed at properly adapting Windows to smartphones and tablets, besides basic touchscreen navigation, I doubt they'll go out of their way for handhelds. Maybe in 7+ years time, but don't expect anything soon. Windows 11 is still packed full of so many legacy menus and things; they're not going to suddenly update all of that for these recent handhelds. The best thing is to hope that Steam Deck continues to sell well and be the market leader, so that most of these anti-cheat issues start to become a thing of the past. The more Steam Decks on the market the more incentive for developers to fix their anti-cheat.
Actually waiting on the Aya Neo Kun. I'm an FPS player mostly so to me the trackpads and back buttons are a must, which rules out most of the handhelds. Still I think I'll be skipping this generation. I'm thinking Steam Deck 2 will be the one to go, whenever that lands.
Battery life is a major drawback with those... Would be interested to see a comparison how well the 7040 series holds up against 11th Gen i7. Also: are those devices bootable from an USB SSD. Having a CAD station for "to go" would help me a lot, so the winmax would be closest to what I could make use of
Older gen i7s are really no competitors to the 7040U. My 1160G7 scores less than half of my 7840HS tuned down to 35W (matching 7840U), and its fan screams (One X Player 1 Pro).
@@bskull3232 I hear you; yet my interest (was) purely in PS3 emulation since 11th gen run better than the following; generally the 7040 series is an interesting piece of tech, but we are another ten weeks from when the video premiered and closer to potentially Ryzen 8000 APUs; time runs so fast these days :)
Speaking of the 8050 series. I'm keen to know just how much of a boost those 33% more cores and half step achitectural improvements provide overall. Especially undervolted.
@@creaturecore13How did we go from dual core to 8 cores? Or, from 8 Vega CUs, to having 12 RDNA3 CUs? It's faster, more power efficient hardware. Takes less to do more.
I love how aya neo doesn't fudge around with screen ro body ratio and no du.bass borders hate that so much on my ally other than that love the display it's beautiful playing chrono trigger on that bad boy so beautiful and fun
i look 6 things in everyhandheld: - Preformance (Atleast must be able to run all PC games at +60FPS on Middle graphics ) - Batterylife (Must be able to run atleast 5hrs) - expected to be mini PC running WIndows - Comfortable grip - Must content touch-pads & few extra buttons for more keybinding options for some AAA games (eg: WOW...) - Console must fit within the dimension of 28cm x 14cm
Like I keep asking all my favorite handheld creators: Which one makes the best all in one Switch? What's the one that's the most fun, easy to set up, looks good and works best from one's TV >and< works well just to pick up take on the go for more gaming? And what are the best accessories to make it happen? Bonus Question: How much is it worth it just to spend the same price or less to get as powerful or more powerful than these by going with just a laptop or mini-PC? I have fallen in love with the freedom of PC gaming, but I'm still from console roots. What's the coolest way to get the PC Console gamer experience?
I have a ayaneo 2 so I think I qualify to have a opinion, I’m sure most people will agree with me. Battery life is a deal but not a dealbreaker, for me I rather performance & more wattage with minimum 60 frames and heat management, other then that 1080 screen or 720 is well enough for these little screens. If you agree feel free to like my comment
I WOULD CHOOSE THE STEAM DECK. Why? Because it seems to be the only TRUE portable, meaning it can easily last more than 3 hours and up to 6 hours on the go at 8-10 Watts adjusting some quality settings in games. Lets not forget it crushes the Ally at 8-10 Watts in fps with AAA games that still look amazing even after adjusting quality settings. So many people complained about the Steam Deck not having 1080p and 120Hz ....etc. Valve knew this would effect the battery and its power draw too much. The Steam Deck was optimized for portability from the start in an amazing feat by the AMD and Valves team up.
Valve still hasn't released Steam OS publicly yet, but it sounds like they eventually want to work with other handheld PC companies to get Steam OS working on their devices.
thanks for the comparison. OneXPLayer looks promising. so disappointing only the ROG Ally has remappable back buttons though. How can all these makers miss such a crucial feature
ROG Ally has 40Wh battery, not 45Wh, which is pretty much the only reason I didn't get it. Got an Ayaneo 2S instead, but cried after looking at my bank account after.
Not a bad decision but I would say I have more trust in batteries provided by a company like asus than indie companies. Too many battery providers in China rework disposed off batteries and thus may get wear faster. I've had the ally for 2months and charge only till 80%, there hasn't been any wear yet. The ally technically has around 44kwh even though it advertises less.
That’s bc the ASUS shouldn’t have launched with those bios. They boasted 50-100% performance boost which was a total lie at launch. Maybe next year when they update drivers ect.
My dream pc would be a, Pocket sizeed pc that runs cool so it doesnt get hot, silent and have a long lasting battery life. Basicly a nintendo DS but a PC. It will be a while until its possible but im looking forward
I think for my personal situation I would choose the Ally for the overall performance being the same it's the cheapest. If money wasn't an issue it would be the onexplayer. Crazy awesome theme and detachable controllers make portable play even more versatile.
what's your thoughts on Lenovo legion go ? same z1 extreme chip but the RAM is faster with 7500 MHz and a 1TB storage variant just for 50$ more than Ally?
The onexplayer 2 Pro is a beast, I got the onexplayer 2 when it came out and wish I'd waited for the 2 Pro. Only handheld that I'm very looking for is the new Lenovo legion go with a 8.8 inch screen which could be the best handheld out this year can't wait...
The One X 2 Pro looks IMPRESSIVELY compact for its overall size and battery capacity. I was looking at the Legion Go because of the nice screen/decent battery life, detachable controllers, and very decent accessory support (one thing that really bums me out about the Aya Neos) but it’s just so massive and I have small hands and already have problems with my steam deck. I might just have to opt for this one. How is accessory support though? That is something that is really important to me and is a pretty big deciding factor, also super bummed the One X doesn’t have RGB like its Fly variant and AOK cousin.
Which one did he say was his favorite? I missed it apparently.... I like the onexplayer pro 2 best for several reasons like the battery size for one. I had a onexplayer with the 4800u for awhile and it was almost identical looks wise, loved it.
ETA Prime can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he said his favorite was the last one, the Asus Rog Ally. If you don't mind that they disabled the AI features at APU level, it's the best bang for the buck. Coming in at hundreds less than the others. I wonder how difficult it is to modify/upgrade the internals yourself
Bought the Ally since it might be the cheapest one out there with these kinds of specs and they got the official warranty in my country so it would be much easier if I need to claim it
Never thought I would be pricing handhelds, a lot on the market, big ranch, I only "Think' I want one for retro gaming, PS2, GC, XB, with Linux, but maybe I set my bar to high.....Edit.... If I buy one I think it's going to be the Powkiddy RBG10 Max 3, it won't play all PS2 or GC at full speed, so I setting the pole a little lower, the RBG10 (older) is support by Batocera, so if their's an issue with the OS I can still fellow that path.
Damn! I had no idea there were so many! Nintendo definitely is , if not anything else, they truly are trendsetters! Even though they started the trend, these other companies are doing it better
AOKZOE A1 pro for me 32Gb is great for these APUs, it has 7500 RAM too with latest BIOS but its a double edged sword high bandwidth but worse latency that 6400 so perf benefit is mixed. Battery life is great to with 65kwh battery, still feels portable, I'd quite like something in the 10" region 8.4 still feels a little small for somethings.
@@randerins I too had concerns but it works well, I havent had any issues with misdirection, though I onky use it for the odd retro game so light use, tend to mostly use twin sticks.
@@adpbobcat It is locked at the moment but you can flash the release BIOS on to the device to get 7500 RAM, anyone with 6400 is pre release, apparently they will release a further update that will unlock the ability to set VRAM buffer size, though 6Gb seems a dcent amount.
I love the look of the win4 pro but it's so tiny compared to the other so I am leaning towards the Rog Ally as it's also a lot easier to come by, but the Rog Ally is just missing a few things that would make all the difference like a better dpad and more ports so I'm conflicted and will probably just wait for the 8-9000 series.
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This man is single handedly subsidizing the entirety of the handheld PC market. Much respect to you, sir.
Nope. Didn’t even mention the one EVERYONE knows. Steam deck
@@JosephIrvin-pm4crdid you even read the title dude? 7000 series is not Steam Deck
I think the 2 biggest challenges for these handhelds are increasing battery life and reducing bezels for bigger screens
I'm confident that by Ryzen 8000 apus, most triple A titles will be able to run off of 5w tdp at around 720p 40fps. 5wtdp + maybe an extra 5w for rest of system power, you'd be looking at like 4-5 hours depending on battery size. Won't really be seeing more than that until solid state batteries
The hardest part would be bigger battery without making the devices too big because the bezel-less display is simple, it just costs more.
this might be an unpopular opinion, but bezels are good actually
@@elnkr2603 I love bezels. Keeps my vision and FOV grounded. And when done right, can even be aesthetically pleasing
Re: panels the hardest part is *sourcing* the panels. You can't even get switch OLED panels from Samsung display. They'd be perfect for a lot of these machines.
The new bios update made me use my ROG ally with confidence. No problems so far
if i could choose one, i'd pick the onexplayer 2 eva edition. the detachable controllers plus the bigger screen is really enticing.
I was just going to say this. Nobody makes an AMD tablet. I really want something to replace my Surface Go 2 with an AMD product that has better iGPU. The Onexplayer is still chunky, but still it can be a tablet.
Personally i feel that most games do well on even the smallest displays for handhelds, especially how a lot are console optimised and made to not throw a lot of small information on the screen, nor feature rich menus/prompts. For me the more important part is the ability to throw out HDMI to an external monitor and to take a bluetooth controller or mouse/keyboard (and the ability to take full plugged in power and great thermals). I still want to be able to have a richer gaming experience when i do decide to sit down, but to still be able to just unwire and take it with me in a sinch when i want to roll out.
@@sfhawkeyeROG Flow has AMD variants.
controller is not really detachable like the switch joy con, you will need an adaptor to get it working.
Why are these handheld devices called x86 instead of x64? Does anyone know the reason for this?
Love my Ally. Let’s just hope Asus keeps supporting it down the road.
Probably will unlike some handheld who keep making more and announcing new ones after one just launched asus been updating etc.. to really get performance and stuff and not making new ones they might make a budget one but I doubt they gonna stop supporting especially since they competing mainly with steam deck and deck has amazing software and support so it only makes sense for asus to keep supporting
They will since the egpu is available on it and the whole Flow series is nothing but a success this device will be supported for at least the next 5 years but am not sure about an upgrade since this technology is advancing in a slow manner
@@lxDastanxl I doubt it's gonna be 5 years, 2 years kinda, 1 year likely
May luck be with you ally owners 🙏 let's hope your sd reader servives
@@satoshiuchiha931 mines fine, do your research.
I will be deff holding out on a SteamDeck2. I have the OG one and as much as I love it it still lacks a bit of power and screen to unlock its full potential, was thinking on selling it and getting an Ally yet I feel this handheld devices are still in testing stages for what they need to be in power to battery ratio. their next iterations will probably get most things sorted out with better chip, faster SSD, Hall Sensors, hopefully an oled display and better battery life.
you do know that Valve said the next revision steam deck will most likely have the same APU as the current one? They want to keep on RDNA2 with those current low tdp performances.
Could be several years
The Ally could be the way to go with bestbuy 2yr warranty. You'll probably get a free upgrade within in 2yrs😅. I like the VRR benefit that the experience will always be smooth. The plus for the Ally is having Gamepass and anti cheat games. Keep the deck for what it is great at. Both are awesome in their own right.
@@tomoprime217 my friend has an Ally and he says that sometimes it feels unresponsive and sometimes it works flawlessly. probably needs an armored crate version of windows like the Windeck is doing for SteamDeck. I could get an ally just feels like the moment I get it a new version for any of this will come out with way better features. id deff sell the Steam deck, I don't need to handheld pc tbh. do you own one or both?? how do you like the Ally??
@@Quiqueleal85 tbh I game on a 16" rtx 2080mq laptop. I also have a 3060 ti desktop. Atm I stream xbox and pc games to a 6.8" S23 Ultra to get more portable. I am saving up for a Valve Deckard or potentially getting a meta quest 3. Now and then I am totally drawn to getting a handheld but these seem to get replaced by newer hardware that has even worse battery life. I can see the fomo appeal here but my practical side (wallet) says to wait. I dipped my toe into VR a while back (PSVR, Rift S, Reverb G2 V2) and my mind is a split decision away going handheld or vr. A part of me wonders if Valve Deckard will figure out a handheld mode for 2d gaming inside VR. I have a feeling the current steamdeck will have an even longer life if it hits retail. Valve takes forever to refresh hardware. The Ally is currently the best bang for the buck vrr screen wise. Plus you can remote stream your games off a more powerful PC at 120hz 1080p and extend the local battery life. I might at least wait to see how the newer $599 base Z1 launch goes. Even that is a step up above the deck. Note rumor has it Gamestop will be selling refurbished steamdecks. Probably means they will sell and buy decks going forward.
yes this is the type of video i was waiting for...i wish we got a rank in order of which has the best display, then perhaps controls, best performance, best features, and so on...like a checklist of sorts with all of them lined up and actually compared side by side, kind of like you did with the battery
Good idea
I wish I had them all lol
Man. I want that Air 1S as a long-term emulator and Indie game beast. Play most things at 10W and under.
Would be interesting to see comparisons of some of these devices running with DDR5 6400 vs 7500. Not just in terms of performance but also power usage, to see whether the FPS increase is worth the cost in battery life, especially with smaller handhelds like the Air 1s.
Btw, a1 pro is 7500 not 6400
@@RichardServello yup only pre-release are 6400.
@@adhsmith1601 even that can be fixed by updating the bios
seems to give a couple fps boost, but then i also read the reason some don't go with 7500 or lock theirs to 6400, is because 7500 has compatibility issues, but yeah definitely should be compared properly, we need videos actually comparing the devices side by side, really showing the screen differences and other features, not each device segmented off in separate clips
@@melxbwhat kinda issues with 7500mhz option?
I wish you also included price tag besides the name of handheld for easy to choose cheaper handheld device like me who are low on budget 😅
I'm trying to be like you one day! Amazing devices!
Loving my Ally So far! Waiting for my 1T SSD TO ARRIVE
Pls how do you deal with bat3? Want to sell my steam deck oled as it doesn’t play AAA games I want
I picked up the Aya Neo 2 second hand for about 500 and it has blown me away with just how powerful these handhelds are. It can run all my games and I can't wait to play PS2 and GameCube games on it too!
where did you get it for that price?? i wanted one too ...why did the previous owner sell it??
@@SuicidalSummerSnowWoman I bought it on offer up. I would use offer up, Mercari, eBay, and FB marketplace to look for one. Only buy from established accounts and not brand new 0 stars ones. I would also recommend recording yourself opening the shipped box if you do get it shipped for proof if they try to scam you.
The reason he sold it so low was that the SSD light was flashing red in the back and he didn't know what it was. I swapped out the SSD and it's good as new.
Definitely getting this one
@@7ssav the Ayaneo 2 is definitely powerful enough for modern games. Don't expect anything crazy but I can play Starfield and BG3 on it without any issues.
Is the battery okay?
This guy uploads a video everyday! Who is editing this stuff??? Much respect
Definitely the Onexplayer 2 pro. All in 1 device that can replace my laptop, tablet and steam deck. And 8.4" is the perfect size IMO, very pocketable with the joycons detached and at the same time has a relatively large screen. I just wish they could release a standard version with a lower price point. I don't really need 32gb ram and 1tb SSD.
Same exact thoughts ... Give us 12-16GB Ram with 256-512GB SSD at least. Idk why I'd even need 32Ram on this .
Have ya seem the AyaNeo Kun?? I'm praying that one is more affordable at least . But 8.4in w/ 1600p , dual touchpads , 75Wh battery it probably will cost as much. But glad to see another with touchpads
That and I'm sure they sell the joycons separately incase stick drift happens
16GB is kinda on the low side considering you lose lots to vram
This format is great, keep it up 😃
The Ally is a monster playing RDR2 at and almost constant 60 fps 1080p is great. No complaints from me. The ROG ally has been worth the money in my experience.
Is that at medium settings?
@@dirkwood4544 I've been able to play most games on the ally at 1080p and ultra settings and still get 60 fps. some I drop to 720p but still ultra, not a huge difference between the 2. since the last update I run most of them at 15 watts and my temps are about 60 c consistently
That purple onexplayer 2 pro looks really beautiful and powerful handheld, Asus Rog ally and Aya neos are awesome too. 🔥🔥
This basically shows nintendont how its done for next time. It's a xxl switch with pc capabilities.
I like the duck Ayaneo
@@tgm.nabam101 ive seen it in aya neo store and it looks cute
The ROG Ally XG port sucks not just because it's propietary and locks you to Asus, it's virtually impossible to get one outside of the USA. I've been looking for one in Spain since I got my Ally to no avail.
The question is, since you've had time with all them, which is seems to be your go your to at this point in time?
He said the Ally was his favorite currently in the video
he said his personal favourite out of the bunch is the Ally. (8 min 40sec)
Ahh must have missed it
@@AnotherRichEXPit was easy to miss
@bipbop3121 yea I'm surprised that the ally was his favorite out of all them. I've spent time with the ally and I wasn't "Wowed" by it but for the money it's a great device. I will admit that the screen quality and VRR make the experience much better.
Great video as always, one little thing: it would be nice if you included prices, as a comparison
I appreciate the battery life chart at the end, battery life is always the biggest question for me
I really did love the Ally, everything just seemed brilliant until they hit a couple of hurdles. If I had the money spare I would have kept it as Id already installed a 2tb drive. But a new sd card died, was unrecoverable, slot didn't work great after. They offered a new unit but I chose to take my cash and wait for revisions. If money was no object, I would have kept it and just not used the slot at all. Back on the trusty steam deck currently, does what it does phenomenally.
How easy us it to replace the SSD on the SteamDeck?? I want to grab the base model & just wait for AMDs 8000 models.
Im really happy with the performance of the ally after bios 323. Its night and day better from 12-25ish watts. Starting to really believe those claims about the z1 being more efficient at lower tdps now! They clearly rushed this product out, but its going to age like a fine wine as they improve the drivers and bios even further. Also, no sd card issues on my end
Unfortunately it can’t age like fine wine with a broken sd card reader. I love it as well, but the SD deal is a huge oversight
Same, no issue with me
@nicklen6873 mine has been fine, it's not been resolved yet but I imagine asus is looking into a proper fix
No issues with mine, loving it, it is amazing, no SD card issues on my Samsung pro 512Gb either and I use it basically daily
Hopefully there will be a way to tell with a new tech refresh on the SD card trouble. I believe the Z1 has better tdp lows than the stock 7840U which is a mobile apu by design. The question is will we see other Z handhelds in the future?
Gpd Win4 has a 6" slide up display not 7 😂 5:21min. Rog Ally has a 40 watt hr battery not a 45. It also has a VRR display which supports freesync 9:17min.
I love the 2B artwork in the thumbnail ❤
Awesome vid! Can we have a video showing the fan noise level for 15w across some of the devices as well? That would be really useful!
didnt expect the Ally to come out as your favourite here to be honest, with such a great selection i thought something else would pip it but as an owner of the Ally you are right, it does still have that 120hz display, the VRR, and the updates are certainly going in the right direction, slow progress if you ask me but solid progress when it happens, been really enjoying the Ally, long may that support last, lets hope.
I think people are so cautious with Asus and whether or not they’ll keep consistent. A lot of people seem to think they’re just gonna drop it. I hope not because I love mine and all the updates are working as they should.
@@cody3335 yeh Asus certainly does not have the track record to back them like valve for example… I think people are hoping asus also does not go the same way as ayaneo and start dropping handhelds left and right so the ally gets outdated before it’s really got out of it’s crawling stage.
Like you say though asus is doing ok so far, the updates are coming and are making positive changes so let’s hope it keeps going, if it does then I’ll be happy to buy a ally 2 if they choose to do one next year or something.
@@jinx20001 well said and fingers crossed
Steam deck is mostly in the US
I hope these will continue to flourish. I already have a steamdeck so i dont need any of these... yet. But a few years down the line, i know ill be looking for a replacemnt for it. By then i hope we get even better selection!!!
yeah. steam deck is probably going to be a 5+ years iterative device so its great to have something in between just in case...
I think the first Steam Deck was just a test-balloon for Valve to see if there's a market and how the community reacts. Turns out they just hit the right spot and you can assume that they're already working on an more potent update to grab more market share - and this will probably not take too long, since they know the competitors are already there
7840u chips with the 7500mt RAM are great performers but I'm Waiting for the 8000 series with better performance and battery life.
thats not till Q2 next year
@@geonade3419but it’s coming? If so I’m willing to wait with my 6800u don’t you think? I’m which case the upgrade will be more profound
@alexrodriguez9565 yes trust Me wait I've jumped ship twice and regret it wait till chip can do at least 50% more performance than your current
@@zayfear6763 I figured, thanks for the input guy 🤟🏻
Thanks for making the video was looking for this
1st Onexfly, 2nd ayaneo 2s and 3rd rog ally
If you get the aokzoe a1pro now, the ram was updated to 7500 just before they released it.
Yup. I have one. He’s clearly working with preproduction hardware and never updated.
Wow, wtf...lol
The indigogo version too right?
kinda disappointed you didn't mention the Ally's list of potential issues that Asus has yet to address properly (especially the micro SD card reader)
He said that ally is his favourite among those handhelds, means he still love it more than other for his use case despite the problems. Everything has their own problems actually
Means he’s on his knees cause the company sponsors his channel wise up
@@LETSGETITINGAMING what do you expect from someone who is spend his every hour testing things editing and publishing the content if not for financial benefit. i am not sure that you want to spend your time for more than 40 working hours per video like him then just to be paid a litttle. just be wise and manage your expectation for these kind youtube business
Coming from the ROG Ally, wouldn't mind getting my hands on the Ayaneo Air 1s. Looks interesting despite the small battery.
I tried the air myself, the screen is just too small to truly enjoy. I found myself adjusting my normal playing position with the screen almost in my face just to play.
@@datpspguyjust hook up xr glasses.
@@patrickroza3073 those are pixelated, not compatible with all people and it's not like Apple $3500 are compatible or accessible to the masses.
It is really awesome that we can now get such strong performance in such a portable package. Exciting times for PC gaming.
Now if Microsoft can get off their duff and provide a handheld UI for windows we'll really be rolling. Until that happens though I'll be sticking to the units that have built in track pads (and a kayboard is still nice too).
Considering they failed at properly adapting Windows to smartphones and tablets, besides basic touchscreen navigation, I doubt they'll go out of their way for handhelds. Maybe in 7+ years time, but don't expect anything soon. Windows 11 is still packed full of so many legacy menus and things; they're not going to suddenly update all of that for these recent handhelds.
The best thing is to hope that Steam Deck continues to sell well and be the market leader, so that most of these anti-cheat issues start to become a thing of the past. The more Steam Decks on the market the more incentive for developers to fix their anti-cheat.
@@gdot1803 oh I totally agree. I'm not holding my breath. I guess it is just that hope springs eternal!
They need to start making all of them devices with SIM card slots so that they can really be portable.
Actually waiting on the Aya Neo Kun. I'm an FPS player mostly so to me the trackpads and back buttons are a must, which rules out most of the handhelds. Still I think I'll be skipping this generation. I'm thinking Steam Deck 2 will be the one to go, whenever that lands.
Battery life is a major drawback with those... Would be interested to see a comparison how well the 7040 series holds up against 11th Gen i7. Also: are those devices bootable from an USB SSD. Having a CAD station for "to go" would help me a lot, so the winmax would be closest to what I could make use of
Older gen i7s are really no competitors to the 7040U. My 1160G7 scores less than half of my 7840HS tuned down to 35W (matching 7840U), and its fan screams (One X Player 1 Pro).
@@bskull3232 I hear you; yet my interest (was) purely in PS3 emulation since 11th gen run better than the following; generally the 7040 series is an interesting piece of tech, but we are another ten weeks from when the video premiered and closer to potentially Ryzen 8000 APUs; time runs so fast these days :)
Speaking of the 8050 series. I'm keen to know just how much of a boost those 33% more cores and half step achitectural improvements provide overall. Especially undervolted.
You mean the next gen AMD APU?
How are you going to power 12 cores at low wattage?
@@creaturecore13How did we go from dual core to 8 cores? Or, from 8 Vega CUs, to having 12 RDNA3 CUs? It's faster, more power efficient hardware. Takes less to do more.
Solid State Batteries?
All of these other handhelds come in Black but are way too expensive 😭
I love how aya neo doesn't fudge around with screen ro body ratio and no du.bass borders hate that so much on my ally other than that love the display it's beautiful playing chrono trigger on that bad boy so beautiful and fun
I prefer ROG Ally, it's easy to buy relatively cheaper, easy to return, continuous updates from the company etc.
If you had to choose only one, which would it be ETA? I have a steam deck so I’m not in the market for another portable. Great video as always.
WATTBA in the handheld gaming space. ****Small correction bruh. AOKZOE A1 PRO SHIPPED WITH 7500 MT/s RAM, unlike the ROG Ally which is 6400 MT/s.****
i look 6 things in everyhandheld:
- Preformance (Atleast must be able to run all PC games at +60FPS on Middle graphics )
- Batterylife (Must be able to run atleast 5hrs)
- expected to be mini PC running WIndows
- Comfortable grip
- Must content touch-pads & few extra buttons for more keybinding options for some AAA games (eg: WOW...)
- Console must fit within the dimension of 28cm x 14cm
A price comparison would also be helpful.
The Onexplayer Eva edition looks incredible
Why average battery life table only have 8 7840u handheld ? Should be 9 7840u handheld
I'm kinda surprised on the battery life of the Air 1s. It's 38mah and its battery is only 10 mins less than the ROG Ally.
Like I keep asking all my favorite handheld creators: Which one makes the best all in one Switch? What's the one that's the most fun, easy to set up, looks good and works best from one's TV >and< works well just to pick up take on the go for more gaming?
And what are the best accessories to make it happen?
Bonus Question: How much is it worth it just to spend the same price or less to get as powerful or more powerful than these by going with just a laptop or mini-PC?
I have fallen in love with the freedom of PC gaming, but I'm still from console roots. What's the coolest way to get the PC Console gamer experience?
Did he mention the prices at all? I don't know about anyone else, but that is the number one factor for me.
the ally is 740ish after taxes, when i was shopping, the rest i was interested in varied from 1100 to 1400. if that helps a bit
I have a Rog Ally and I love it. Will probably buy the next rog ally if they make one.
Loving my Ayaneo 2s! :D
Any cons so far?
I love my A1pro. The 8 inch screen, 16:10 ratio and battery life are awesome!!!
I have a ayaneo 2 so I think I qualify to have a opinion, I’m sure most people will agree with me. Battery life is a deal but not a dealbreaker, for me I rather performance & more wattage with minimum 60 frames and heat management, other then that 1080 screen or 720 is well enough for these little screens. If you agree feel free to like my comment
I got a Loki Max, I'm just waiting for USB4 gen 2 with that 80gb USB4.
I WOULD CHOOSE THE STEAM DECK.
Why? Because it seems to be the only TRUE portable, meaning it can easily last more than 3 hours and up to 6 hours on the go at 8-10 Watts adjusting some quality settings in games. Lets not forget it crushes the Ally at 8-10 Watts in fps with AAA games that still look amazing even after adjusting quality settings.
So many people complained about the Steam Deck not having 1080p and 120Hz ....etc. Valve knew this would effect the battery and its power draw too much. The Steam Deck was optimized for portability from the start in an amazing feat by the AMD and Valves team up.
Between all of those handhelds, i will choose AyaNeo Geek 1S, for the price and Specs
Same! Design for me is also the best
@@Froggboii69 it's a balance handheld between quality, performance and price, that's why choose AyaNeo Geek 1S, but sadly I'm ultra poor 😅
The Win4 Pro is an amazing piece of harware, maybe of we had 30 minutes extra of battery life it would be perfect.
I really liked the first thumbnail you originally had.
I'm still waiting for one of these companies to be brave enough to use SteamOS or another Linux-based OS
IIRC, the actual SteamOS is still closed-source, so it'd have to be their own distro/GUI mod.
Valve still hasn't released Steam OS publicly yet, but it sounds like they eventually want to work with other handheld PC companies to get Steam OS working on their devices.
I was non-consciously waiting for this vid
I was unconscious when I thought of your reply.
@@Woodwerker and I was...nevermind
This is the kind of video Ive been waiting for, Thanks!
7 inch screen is still small for 3A titles. Wish they could use 8-9 inch as a standard by trimming down the bezels
So onexplayer 2 is the best handheld, the battery life is 2 hours on average at max performance, a bit better than a steam deck at max power
I almost get that with my Aokzoe
Wow, look at all these things i will never ever have HAHAHHAHAHA. Nice vid man, technology evolving more and more every day
thanks for the comparison. OneXPLayer looks promising. so disappointing only the ROG Ally has remappable back buttons though. How can all these makers miss such a crucial feature
The winmax 2 has remmapable buttons at the back.
ROG Ally has 40Wh battery, not 45Wh, which is pretty much the only reason I didn't get it. Got an Ayaneo 2S instead, but cried after looking at my bank account after.
Not a bad decision but I would say I have more trust in batteries provided by a company like asus than indie companies. Too many battery providers in China rework disposed off batteries and thus may get wear faster. I've had the ally for 2months and charge only till 80%, there hasn't been any wear yet. The ally technically has around 44kwh even though it advertises less.
Amazing video as always, great that you provided the graph comparing the battery life of these handhelds! Keep up the great content :)
What about every other relevant comparison like fps at different wattages, fan noise, temperature, heat on handheld, comfort, software.
EVA is a beast, as you said the best looking, I wish to have AYA space
I'm on Onexplayer and the support has been lacking. Seems lik ASUS devices are well supported with all of the updates.
That’s bc the ASUS shouldn’t have launched with those bios. They boasted 50-100% performance boost which was a total lie at launch. Maybe next year when they update drivers ect.
8000 is gonna be crazy.
Hoping to get an ITX/portable built when it drops.
My dream pc would be a, Pocket sizeed pc that runs cool so it doesnt get hot, silent and have a long lasting battery life. Basicly a nintendo DS but a PC.
It will be a while until its possible but im looking forward
I never tought that products like that were possible
Which have FreeSync? Which have FreeSync with VRR 120Hz screen?
I think for my personal situation I would choose the Ally for the overall performance being the same it's the cheapest. If money wasn't an issue it would be the onexplayer. Crazy awesome theme and detachable controllers make portable play even more versatile.
what's your thoughts on Lenovo legion go ? same z1 extreme chip but the RAM is faster with 7500 MHz and a 1TB storage variant just for 50$ more than Ally?
The onexplayer 2 Pro is a beast, I got the onexplayer 2 when it came out and wish I'd waited for the 2 Pro. Only handheld that I'm very looking for is the new Lenovo legion go with a 8.8 inch screen which could be the best handheld out this year can't wait...
The One X 2 Pro looks IMPRESSIVELY compact for its overall size and battery capacity. I was looking at the Legion Go because of the nice screen/decent battery life, detachable controllers, and very decent accessory support (one thing that really bums me out about the Aya Neos) but it’s just so massive and I have small hands and already have problems with my steam deck. I might just have to opt for this one. How is accessory support though? That is something that is really important to me and is a pretty big deciding factor, also super bummed the One X doesn’t have RGB like its Fly variant and AOK cousin.
The price is the most important factor
Which one did he say was his favorite? I missed it apparently.... I like the onexplayer pro 2 best for several reasons like the battery size for one. I had a onexplayer with the 4800u for awhile and it was almost identical looks wise, loved it.
ETA Prime can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he said his favorite was the last one, the Asus Rog Ally. If you don't mind that they disabled the AI features at APU level, it's the best bang for the buck. Coming in at hundreds less than the others. I wonder how difficult it is to modify/upgrade the internals yourself
I have 2 handhelds , the steam deck and the one xplayer ... the steam is way lighter than 1xplayer , that made the difference for me
I think about onexfly and ayaneo 2s they have god screen and the size of his so good to me ❤
Just waiting on Ally? Haven’t been this impressed by a handheld gaming machine in years.
Can we get some more benchmarks? Temps? Clock speeds? Real world game frame rates?
Bought the Ally since it might be the cheapest one out there with these kinds of specs and they got the official warranty in my country so it would be much easier if I need to claim it
Never thought I would be pricing handhelds, a lot on the market, big ranch, I only "Think' I want one for retro gaming, PS2, GC, XB, with Linux, but maybe I set my bar to high.....Edit.... If I buy one I think it's going to be the Powkiddy RBG10 Max 3, it won't play all PS2 or GC at full speed, so I setting the pole a little lower, the RBG10 (older) is support by Batocera, so if their's an issue with the OS I can still fellow that path.
For your next video caN you do a personal tier list? Thank you!
Damn! I had no idea there were so many! Nintendo definitely is , if not anything else, they truly are trendsetters! Even though they started the trend, these other companies are doing it better
With Zen 5 right around the corner I'm going to wait till next year. The specs for next gen AMD APUs look really promising
Happy with the Asus. Will wait and see what the next few years have for us
I would love to get my hands on the oxp 2 pro the color is fantastic
I chose the rog ally due to availability and price as i live in Australia the ayaneo stuff was more expensive for what i was going to use it for
Nice video! Would you suggest me buying a handheld amd this year?
That OneXplayer 2 Pro deserves a better kickstand.
So I'm little confused are these handhelds still don't have official drivers
What don't they have a driver for? The screens, controllers, etc are all operational via drivers.
AOKZOE A1 pro for me 32Gb is great for these APUs, it has 7500 RAM too with latest BIOS but its a double edged sword high bandwidth but worse latency that 6400 so perf benefit is mixed. Battery life is great to with 65kwh battery, still feels portable, I'd quite like something in the 10" region 8.4 still feels a little small for somethings.
I'd pick the same console, but that D-Pad seems pretty bad.
@@randerins I too had concerns but it works well, I havent had any issues with misdirection, though I onky use it for the odd retro game so light use, tend to mostly use twin sticks.
Yeah, the dpad has been fine for me
Wait...I thought the bios are locked
@@adpbobcat It is locked at the moment but you can flash the release BIOS on to the device to get 7500 RAM, anyone with 6400 is pre release, apparently they will release a further update that will unlock the ability to set VRAM buffer size, though 6Gb seems a dcent amount.
I love the look of the win4 pro but it's so tiny compared to the other so I am leaning towards the Rog Ally as it's also a lot easier to come by, but the Rog Ally is just missing a few things that would make all the difference like a better dpad and more ports so I'm conflicted and will probably just wait for the 8-9000 series.
It look small but it's not small at all. It's around the size of a Nintendo Switch but twice as thick.
The next Nintendo console is gonna be AMD powered. There is no way Nintendo haven't noticed the uptake in manufacturing of these AMD powered handhelds
Ally is good, I wish they reduce footprint by a bit because it's huge.