@@funnylawre his powers are almost definitely at their prime the moment he came into the world but his mental maturity is definitely not, his thought processes changed pretty dramatically in the short amount of time he was alive due to experience and interaction with others.
@@Jay9966 yeah u're right He's not that far from his prime but these people talking like he's a baby being 40days old He'll at the most be twice stronger than his present self I think
It's not quite true because he is the result of the best crossbreeding of all species in NGL, include Nen User. So that 40 days insect has the strength or potential talent of million years of evolution.
Im tired of living in a world where people use the same jokes over and over again just for the sake of gaining validation from fellow retards. Please consider using an original joke in your next comment good sir... :)
To be fair, he only didn't raise Gon because Gon's aunt whatshername got custody of Gon and told him to stay away. He was planning to leave him with her for 3 years and then come back originally.
Hypothetically, Hisoka can use texture surprise to transform himself into Komugi, ultimately beating Mereum. Also, let’s not forget that Bungee Gum has the properties of both rubber and gum.
@Hu3 what in the goddamn unholy abomination- well… he’s sure not above doing that so if he is as… creative as you and thought that this would be a good strategy, then he would do that tbh
You honestly believe he’s not gonna notice the difference between the only person he has feelings for and hisoka plus you’re making it seem like hisoka can 1 shot him or he wouldn’t notice his aura
@@loturzelrestaurant Physical brawler is a big understatement, Meruem is basically Uvogin in a much bigger scale, and did you see what happened to the whatever Mafia guys that got killed? Meruem is also definitely smarter than Uvogin.
Keep in mind netero didn't bring the strongest hunters he brought the smartest and most strategic there are still powerful hunters who roam freely and do what they want
It's mostly because the ants Wer too damn powerful that a royal guard was stronger than Netero (nen wise) so their option was to pick the best abilities rather than pure strenght since most would lose. Knov freaking out and being traumatisé has deffinetely crippled their plan abit
@@jamjambo351 yeah. I felt they had to write him off fast cause his power was legit Op in ways. If he managed to get a portal around a royal guards limb, its gone. So they had him be in a state of zetsu for to make him go away
Kurapika could anyway if meruem had a singular heart like people do, judgement chain can be used on anyone (he used it on himself to set the conditions for chain jail) it’s just chain jail that’s limited to spiders
@@matheusv.1367 and kurapika himself doubt that his Chains could restrain no nen kurtopi. His current limit is Uvogin , but since meruem is clearly stronger that no nen pitou who jumps 2 kilometers with little effort , something Way beyond anything Uvogin could have done without nen. I'm decline to think he cannot pierce meruem.
@@loturzelrestaurant the rose would still kill him cause the rose is not normal poison it's a genetic poison a cimera would never be able to counter that.
Togashi accidentally introduced too many powerful abilities in the ant arc, which is why he had to take out Knov. because if Knov wasn't taken out, the raid would be too easy when he combines with Mereoleon.
He tanked netereos "zero" after getting clapped by the 1000 hand buddha so many times. Camaleon would not be able to kill him with any move or poision, because pouf would heal the poision or pitou.
@@michaelabreu700 He probably meant that Knov would kill him the way he killed the ant in the castle, he just made the head disappear and knowing hxh that's 100% a way that would work
@@ratongolzache5624 i know but it takes time for know to react and set up another portal, mereum is not a fodder ant, he would realise his nen as soon as he enters, remember nobounaga en he said he can count the leaves falling off a tree
@@LeKoliasl I mean, he would put up a good fight, but realize this. The adult gon we saw had the mentality of child gon, meaning no experience or battle strategy that he would have learned if he actually trained for that long until adult gon’s age. Also, it was never confirmed that it was his prime, sure he said that he would use everything, but that might be the limit for which he can sacrifice his life for. He could train until fake adult gon’s age, then train afterwards.
Meruem was an inappropriate being in a world full of people, it's existence only existed to give us an amazing love story. Meruem could have taken everything thrown at him if he had survived.
I mean, his death is more the fact that despite being vastly superior to everyone by such an enormous landslide, he still was insignificant compared to humanities malice, as a simply easily mass produced and cheap bomb could take him out
That's incorrect, he was defeated because humanity's malice is even greater than the ants' potential through evolution, humanity's malice being incarnated in the form of a poisonous bomb. Meruem's internal conflict between his beast and human side was the central theme to his character's development, but not to his ultimate demise.
I think that Pitou's dialogue about Gon in the manga makes an even stronger argument for Gon being able to kill Meruem. Pitou has the features of a cat, and all felines rely on kill shots when hunting prey by using their fangs to target vitals. So the statement "As I feared, his fangs might even sink into the king!" would most literally mean that Gon cannot only harm Meruem but also kill Meruem if done successfully.
his aura still has its limits, i remember a dialouge where if phinks rotated his arm more than what his aura could achieve, his arm will blow up or be disabled
@@drinkwaterreminderformenot919 If that's true, it's one of the worst powers in the whole series lol. the condition of having to rev it up is a cost, and allows the boosting of power, maybe he can only put as much aura as he has into it, but he can continue rotating to actually boost the power? like it's a multiplier not a straight aura to aura boost?
This video really highlights what sets Hunter X Hunter apart from pretty much every other Shonen anime. In Hunter X Hunter, *everyone* is a threat. Even characters that appear to be weak on the surface have abilities that can, depending on the situation, make them an extremely valuable asset. As a result, Gon and Killua can't just punch/fireball their way out of every situation they're in. They need to form alliances and develop clever strategies. It's sad because I don't think we'll ever see a show like it again. Even the ones that have shown promise in recent years tend to go off the rails and fall victim to power creep after two or three seasons. Togashi is truly in a tier of his own when it comes to world building.
Yeah u're totally right, HxH isn't just about "who beats who", it's full of variables and actually makes it look like the fights are using everything in their possible use to win, like when they turned of the lights to kidnapp Chrollo cause it would slow 1 sec of reaction of the Spiders. Or when Kaito realizes Pitou's power and instantly send Gon and Killua to gtfo cause they hadn't 1% of chance to win. It's a world which in you *almost* can never resort in good guy's protagonist power to solve problems, or sudden transformations in the middle of battles that destroy the consistency of technical battles. Not everyone is made only to duel 1v1 like crazy like in other shonens. Basically if a character say fuck it and go all in agaisnt almost anyone in HxH without a strategy or technical thinking, he is prob going to lose/die. That's years and years ahead of main characters screaming and raising power level/gaining new powers to overtake some threat.
In terms of clever battle systems, I'd say Jojo is on par with HxH, arguably even better. Especially the last two manga parts. If only HxH was actually still being written consistently, it'd probably be my favourite manga, because the worldbuilding/fantasy aspect is phenomenal. It was very enjoyable to read HxH after Jojo, because you can see how nen abilities get influenced more and more by stands in each passing arc.
I agree with everything except us not seeing another shounen like HxH. I think JJK is taking that legacy rn. Spoilers ahead: Even Gojo, the objectively strongest person in universe as of rn, got captured by some good planning and clever usage of techniques. And yuji, the MC who is exactly the person trying to punch his way through life, gets clapped by most of his allies and a good chunk of the enemies in the series.
He probably can't hit more aura than he has in total. Unless he can recharge aura while using it which over a few days sure maybe. But knuckle when explaining nen further to gon did mention a "potential nen output" which is the max aura you can send out at once so he might have a hard limit.
@@xavmanisdabestest In this case, the rotation of the hand acts as a condition of ability and creates a risk, so that Phinks may well exceed his own limit.
I feel like HxH naturally resists that 1v1 style internet bloodsports debate on its own. Biscuits speech to killua about fights between people at different levels of combat abilities emphasizes it. Situation is everything.
Situation is everything, but Bisky's speech emphasizes on only one or a few parts of the battles. Even Morel's speech to Killua about aura quantity doesn't cover it all. If you notice Bisky only talks about somebody's physical, mental state and their combat abilities, while Morel talks only about aura. There is plenty of other stuff they don't even mention.
Nah I'd say it only matters if you there isn't a huge power difference. No way leorio is ever winning against meruem with any scheme. Power still matters unless you have literal hax like aizen or yhwach. It doesn't resist the 1v1 there is barely any fights that don't happen to have the main cast present. Therefore we never get to see many fighters at maximum output or near death fights. Hell we haven't seen many of the spiders in a REAL fight. But half of them are dog water noncombatant anyway. Situation really isn't everything. A 1v1 is a 1v1. Power has been a very consistent thing in hunterxhunter. The whole point of meruem was that he was so op they had to nuke his ass.
Yeah, netero literally picked the worst spot to fight Meruem. If he fought him in a spot where Meruem couldn't bounce from pillars and create different angles, Netero could have stood a chance since in theory, netero netero could infinitely countered him and punch him.
@@manormanman7092 lmao what meruem didn't need the pillars to win who said this? Not only that meruem literally wasn't even serious against him. He wanted to know his real name so he didn't' just kill netero on the spot. Were you even watching the anime or reading the manga??? lmao
@@55thstreet66 very interesting you mention this as this was one of meruems thoughts at one point, mentioning that the raw power of violence , absolute strength trumps every other talent. He realizes how someone with a gifted talent even much greater than his in some other aspect can be easily killed by his hand. I think the whole situation played the bigger role here, an ominous being who couldve probably killed 1/3 (or more) of the human population before dying grew to think that he was born for the moments he shared with komugi, a giant turned by an ant. At a point he also recognized their own pitfall, that they are part human. What I mean to say is that no one thing *won* here, not power not random circumstances, they both played out as they did.
Tonpa does not actually use nen as it would distract him from using his true power. he uses a completely different power system known as flavorless laxatives where he can force feed people orange juice to make them poo their pants. this worked on meruem who does not even wear pants.
I find the whole discussion pointless because the final point of Meruem in the story is that there are actually tons of humans who could have killed him easily. In the end he got done in by a small device that a very large number of humans could easily mass-produce. And none of his strength or ability to evolve could do shit about it.
That is the point of netero's statement on his death, not the point of meruem'e existence. Meruem is one if not the best written villain in anime and he has more depth than what ur talking about
I just realized ging is basically the shanks of hxh. We know he is powerful and among the top best nen users in the series but we haven't really seen him fight seriously and really know what he is capable of.
We don't know exactly how Camilla's ability works on a condition clearing level, though. Sure, we know the cat nen beast materializes if she is physically killed but what happens after that isn't completely clear. Does the cat actually have to quickly catch the killer with it's claws in a speed blitz? If so, than it would seemingly be possible for a fast enough target (which Meruem probably is) to evade it's attack and come out unscathed. Or is capture of the target just guaranteed by the strength of Camilla's death condition, meaning the target is either compelled not to escape through manipulation or the cat can match the target's speed or teleport to wherever they go indefinitely? Perhaps even more importantly, what does it actually DO to the target? By which I mean; is the target's body immediately converted into life-giving spirit energy once enveloped by the cat's paws? Or, does the cat have to physically crush their body to kill them first? If it's the latter, Camilla probably doesn't have enough aura output to form a creature strong enough to overpower and then crush Meruem to death. And I think it's questionable that even nen after death could bridge a gap that big.
Or for example: if you cath her somewhere and let her die of hunger, will cat telleport to you, it is count or not? Or if you throw her in the water with something havy, or manipulator like Illumi use nidleman to kill her, wich live cat would suck or tries to suck. Is this cat immortal or you could break it... Weird ability.
I soooo agree with you... Since also... Camila has a cat... How many lives does a cat have? Ig 9... Maybe.. Just a theory.. She has a limited amount of lives.. And like you said. Maybe the cat has to catch someone quickly.. Or.. Has to defeat the killer of camila.. Or maybe like you said.. A physical murder is the condition to awaken the cat.. So many questions. But i theory. Yes she can.. Also... I dont think phinks need 100k spins. Like be read.. The spins double his attack power. I think. So I'd say in 15 spins he'd do as much damage as neteros first hand.. And ley me make something clear.. You know about the pa scale right? Soo ib theory.. Phinks's attack hits with as much force right?? Buttt.. The pascal scale says that it has to be force and square meter.. Sooo.. It might have as much power as neteros attack.. One of them.. Butttttt... It has less area damage... My point is that phinks would do more damage to meruem. Waaay more. Cuz its ig a sharper attack? Or less area and same force... Its like swinging a hammer and an axe at the same power... The hammer will do more area damage. But the axe will point all the force in one line. Which is how things cut.. Like axes and knives.. Sorry for the boring explanation of my theory 😅😅.. Soo to sum my argument... I'd say in 30 spins he'd one shot meruem.. Depending if it hits his head or arm... Since one kills and one doesn't..
Her killing intent wont work on individual that figure out the flaw with her ablity like Benjamin. I am sure meruem will fine way to make camila summit without killing her ripping off her limbs.
Quite the refreshing video, I see too many "Hunter x Hunter power level" type discussions out there and every time I just can't help but feel like they're missing the point of nen, even if aura quantity is a factor.
Because the manga clearly shows there are tiers of characters wittin the series, and meruem on especific is supposed to be above anything humams can throw at him , besides a nuclear bomb of course
Just a correction: If Killua is the one making the request to Nanika, the cost will be pretty much a chocolate at most, as long as he is the one to receive her next request, which is the Killua's big secret: He does not get charged heavily for his requests to Nanika, making them together pretty much unbeatable. Which also raises the question: "Couldn't Killua just ask Nanika to restore Gon's Nen?". Still, having Killua rewarded with infinite power after his character progression from former Pro Assassin to the kindest brother in contrast to Gon ending completely powerless after his journey from kind former "escort" to "fuck myself, I am blasting your head because I think you killed my friend that is not actually that and just became a girl instead...". So I like this ending of both characters and honestly cannot think of a proper way to bring either of them back to the story without making it feel forced. Gon had his journey, met his father, which was his goal when becoming a Hunter, finished his journey, lost his powers (which also means that he will not be attracting foes due to the "non-written rule"), and can go back to his peaceful life on the island... Killua learned to find himself, reunited with his most beloved sibling, and will be a great brother after his whole journey with the others so far.
You made a very good point there about how Killua and Gon lost/gained power as their character developed! I'd never thought about that before so thank you 😁 Hope you're doing great
This is the best video I have seen on the subject, I love it when a Manga/Anime fan actually talks in the respective logic that comes within the manga. I fell in love with the concept of Nen exactly because its not some power level thing like other old school Mangas. The Concept of Nen and especially rhe concept of technique and fight IQ makes things complex and yet interesting. I myself thought that the kings guard youpi himself could pose a threat to the king in terms of his power output. Especially when the king once intended to kill pitou and yet she withstood the attack, which surprised the king. Meaning the kings guards themselves had growing potential. But Pitou is a special case, since on one hand his aura was ferious and more of a beast nature, on the other hand in his fight with all the different nenusers he seemed to gain a lot of knowledge on aura and nen usage. Especially his body that shapeshifted into advantageous forms depending on his instincts and what he needed was very interesting.
if he did happen to live longer and wasnt nuked by netero, its probable that he would develop a nen ability like komugi's so that he could beat her in gungi
@@Milwaz34 yes but the only reason that merum ever lost any of his fights was inexperience any other person likely would have realized netero had a plan after he kept fighting to the death knowing he was almost certainly gonna lose. just being powerful doesent matter if it did the ants won that fight hands down since merum could probably behead most of them almost instantly with his tail if there not ready for the attack
That's honestly the most scary nen power, rubber and gum??? Have you seen Luffy? He only has rubber! Hisoka uses cards too and that disguise thingy, uh texture surprise.
The issue with Camilla and Cat's Name is we don't know if the Cat it's self is invulnerable. Being Post Mortem Nen it's no doubt pretty strong but remember Meruem is INSANELY fast and strong, during his fight with Netero he was able to make 16 attacks in a second and after absorbing the powers of Youpi and Pouf it was said by Pouf his speed at least quadrupled, so 64 attacks in under a second... Even if he was cocky and let Cat's Name grab him there's no guarantee he couldn't break free either, Meruem is strong enough to obliterate Chimera Ant heads into a bloody mist with a casual flick of his tail when freshly born. The other question has to deal with how much Life Force Meruem has, Cat's Name revives Camilla by leeching Life Force from her Killer leading to their ultimate death, we know it takes enough to kill a normal Nen wielder but Meruem has a ton of Aura and possibly a ton of Life Force too because of how many lives the Queen poured into making him so we don't know if Cat's Name can siphon that much Life Force off
I know you posted this 4 months ago but I'd like to thank you for stating what was bothering me, people thinking conditional abilities are infinitely powerful when in reality they just become significantly more powerful based on the condition and sacrifice. I don't buy that the "no u" kitty cat could kill meruem, the user just doesn't have the base-line nen.
The issue is that Cat's Name feeds off the life force of the person who triggers it, so that much life force might either overwhelm it or just make it more efficient at bringing her back.
@@hariman7727 ya I said the issues are Meruem might be fast enough to dodge getting grabbed by Cat's Name since it does need to physically grab its victim, Meruem might be able to break free from its hands since the Life Force Leeching process isn't instant and Meruem is insanely strong so its feasible he could just break free from it. The other issue I brought up is we don't know how much Life Force Cat's Name drains or how much Meruem has: since Meruem has had a ton of resources poured into him by the Ant Queen we can assume he's got more than an average person in Life Force, so the question becomes does Cat's Name only drain enough life force to fill it's tail and revive it's user (and that amount happens to be enough to kill most enemies) or does it drain it's victim dry?
I love how much thought goes into your videos. Maybe make one on why hisoka never seemed to focus on getting the opportunity to fight netero, even though he stated that he wants to
there are plenty of strong people Hisoka never fought, like Illumi for example. He would have had plenty opportunities to fight him. Also, Netero would bend Hisoka over and clap his cheeks
@@liamlee7730 I know he does have jujutsu kaisen thats why I watched it in the first place but its just strange because this time last year he made atleast 5 or 6 videos about berserk and now there hasn’t been in a long while
i think one issue with trapping meruem is that he still has limitless aura at that point to escape the room, even if he bumbles around in the room for a full year he has to eventually come up with a hatsu to escape just out of instinct i feel like thats likely to happen in such a hypothetical
I feel like using the word Defeat and not Kill implies it doesn't need to be in combat. Meaning number 1 should be Komugi, who has defeated Meruem multiple times already.
That would be a good video... but i think it boils down too he had little use of nen and if he’d master it and develop a hatsu he probably woulda been untouched by everyone
He would never be accepted by humans, at least in the short term, but i doubt humans will ever cease to challenge his might as long as he is alive. I think he will be able to bring humans to a even greater height under his rule, by the end of his lifespan in the story, he has gained benevolence, kindness and even love. I think Komugi and him will be an excellent pair to rule humanity. But I am sure humans will find some sketchy way to kill Komugi and fill Meruem with hate somehow, as humans do.
@@Jay9966 Very interesting vision, I'd say he would think like the dude from Watchmen and make everyone unite as 1 to defeat him which leads to a worldwide union or something i dont know he's smart
In regards to Phinks, it's worth noting that according to Knuckle there are 3 different numbers that can be called your 'MAX' aura. One of those numbers is pretty much impossible to raise without a process of training, and this just so happens to be the upper number of the three. As far as we know about nen, Phinks as an enhancer shouldn't have any way of raising his M.A.P. (maximum aura power) during a fight, so that should logically be the cap for Ripper Cyclotron. My guess is that R.C. raises either Phinks' A.A.P., P.A.P., or both. The overpowered aspect of the ability would be that it makes his power output cap at his M.A.P., whereas everybody else in the series is basically stuck at their A.A.P.
Ripper Cyclotron is a conditional amplifier, so it increases power with every rotation of the arm. It's possible that the amplification combined with the obviously large amount of experience the Spiders have with Nen would mean that the upper limit might be enough to kill Meruem. Pain Packer MIGHT, but what's his name would need to be buffed/able to survive Meruem's first hits. But... it's better to bypass all of those and strike against the Stand User instead of... oops. Wrong series, but the same principle applies.
I believe that you also have to realize that meruem could only use the basic nen abilities, if meruem got enough time and he would learn to control his nen to the point of him able to use nen techniques he would most likely be unstoppable depending on how much time meruem have on learning nen.
Thx for this. I always hate how ppl just say a character could do this or that based on pure speculation and portrayal alone. Specially in a series like this where battles are mostly decided by how the powers interact. One piece has the same problem when ppl say Dragon/Shanks/Mihawk could beat or do this and that when we’ve seen nothing yet
I really appreciate this video, it’s very rare to hear some grounded theories when it comes to HxH powers. To this day it still bothers me that people treat HxH like your average Battle Shounen. And especially around Meruem, I still see people missing the entire point of the character and the arc (some of y’all are in this comment section) Netero surely crafted a plan for his own amusement, but he was no fool and knew exactly how strong the Royal Guard and Meruem were. Remember that he implanted a bomb into himself as last resort in case he wasn’t capable of handling the job. For how nuts the guy is, if there were a Hunter he knew could do the job easily, he would’ve at least brought him/her along (I don’t think he blew himself up for no reason) Given all of this, sure, there might be some incredible Hunters we yet know nothing about, but when it comes to battle prowess, Netero was surely one the strongest and most seasoned Nen users. Meruem is supposed to be THE strongest character in HxH, or rather the strongest Nen user. He is supposed to be this insurmountable wall that is way stronger than anybody else, because his arc goes to show that: 1) Strength in battle isn’t the only type of strength, and 2) that no matter how strong you are, a nuclear bomb still kills you (and that’s why Chimera Ants are considered just a B level threat) There’s no defeating the guy outright, the only way to kill him is by resorting to “dirty” tricks.
@@ericb8241 Again, the tiers aren’t about power, they specifically rank entities on their likelihood to cause human extinction. This tells us nothing about their power, it only tells us about how dangerous these entities are to human society. Chimera Ants aren’t an A because, as I said in my original comment, it “only” takes a nuke to dispose of them. And again, the rankings talk about the species of the entity we are considering, not the power of singular individuals of the same category. With this in mind, Meruem can still be the strongest living creature in the HxH universe, but when it comes to extinction level threats, he isn’t one. I’m saying this because a lot of people seem to think we’ll find some Nen user stronger than Meruem in the Dark Continent. Remember, in the manga it is said that Netero was looking for a challenge there but he only found an endless quest for survival. This sort of implies how the nature of the threats faced there is different from the one we are currently used to. Which means few to no Nen users, and a lot of mortal creatures.
I honestly feel like rippercyclotron is a really under appreciated ability, it’s way more practical than jajan ken and it’s much more interesting, and the ability makes me ask a lot of questions about it that I’m surprised to see no one else asking
It’s beauty definitely lies in it’s simplicity. Just seeing a side character absolutely decimate an opponent even a higher ranking character struggled with is hilarious in its own right. And it’s not like it’s TOO over powered, if his punch misses then he’s basically screwed. Definitely a great hatsu.
I think it's the opposite. Jajanken is significantly more practical because the condition comes from the charging (hence why Gon could use it WITHOUT an arm). If Phinks loses an arm, is prevented from moving his arms or is massively slowed, the condition can't be fulfilled and he can't do shit. I feel like it goes to show that some of the phantom troupe members have overly simplistic conditions on their abilities that only work because the opponent's they face are often dumb as shit (Zazan letting Feitan sit there, activate Pain Packer and then let loose his mini-sun), overconfident as shit (Shadow beasts refusing to kill Uvogin right away) or weak as shit (most low level hunters/civilians/ants).
The phantom troupe rely on highly refined abilities that came from years of experience to be the best match for the job they're needed for. They have more experience than almost anyone else so naturally they'd have abilities that allow them to match the level of opponents who posses far greater strength.
Hi! First off, thank you for mentioning me in a past video (I'm a reddit user who used to be very active in the HxH community and on the wiki, and the shout-out was very, very appreciated). I really liked you eschewing the easy answers of Ging, Pariston, Beyond, and Super Saygon when it came to this topic and actually putting some thought into it. If you don't mind upping your video's engagement: 1. The monkey paw when discussing Nanika was choice. 2. When it comes to Camilla vs. Meruem, it really depends on how her ability works. Can Meruem kill the cat? Can he dodge the cat's paws? If so, how long does the cat remain in existence,? Can the cat even crush him (i.e. is the ability based on physical strength)? 3. We know for sure that Rihan wouldn't be able to do anything against Meruem, and the reason was given by Rihan himself: Predator is ineffective against simple Enhancement and Emission abilities (c.374), and Meruem is a hand-to-hand combatant. Rihan also added that it attacking Enhancers is even worse because it will target the ability user themselves, who can defend against it (c.388). Even forgetting the enormous power differential between the two characters, the way Predator works actually puts Rihan at a disadvantage against Meruem. 4. When it comes to Knov's Scream, we don't know for sure that the ability has no conditions other than getting the opponent inside Knov's aura. It is possible, to be sure. 5. About Phinks, Ripper Cyclotron would be the only Enhancement ability to create aura from scratch, which feels rather unlikely. Gon's Rock increases his aura output, but doesn't let him pour the entirety of his aura into it or generate more aura. It feels fair to speculate that even Netero's Zero Hand was limited to the entirety of his remaining aura reserves. So, going by precedent, Ripper Cyclotron is presumably not limited by Phinks's maximum aura output, but by his aura reserves. It would still result in an extremely powerful punch, well above Rock even with a few rotations. As for *abilities* that might actually defeat Meruem, I would offer Black Voice (if the antenna can even pierce Meruem's eyes, even assuming he's using Ten and not reacting at all) and, perhaps even above it, Instant Lover. We know that Manipulation abilities fail if the target is already being manipulated, but nothing has ever been said about a gap in aura. It hasn't been stated not to be the case, to be sure, but there may be hints that it would theoretically be possible (e.g. Shikaku).
You look like you know your shit so let me ask a Quick question : If Netero's poor man's rose nearly killed Meruem (probably would have if his guards did not healed him) do you think Feitan Can kill meruem ? I mean the dude litterally spawned a sun so that sounds fair to me that he could beat meruem
@@fresh4106 In all likelihood, no. We informally refer to Feitan's attack as a sun (also because it's called "Rising Sun" lol), but it's "just" a big ball of fire(-like aura). Had it been a real sun, it would have incinerated the whole planet and burned the atmosphere, plus messing with gravity and spreading radiations all around, but its effect against Zazan was limited to only a relatively small portion of the palace. Granted, it was a "weak" one according to Feitan, but Meruem tanked the entirety of Netero's aura transmuted into searing light/fired as a beam and only suffered superficial wounds. So, while I think a dying Feitan's Rising Sun would have injured Meruem, I think it's extremely unlikely it would have wounded him signficantly.
The predator might not be easier to learn Meruem due to him having accelerated learning and with the right circumstances learn more nen and other abilities
To be fair Meruem was only alive for 40 days because of the poison in the rose bomb that Netero used as a last resort, so if Meruem had been immune to poison like the Zoldycks or if Netero's bomb had not went off and released the poison, he would've survived much longer. So all those characters who needed more than 40 days to defeat them, probably could've gotten the time they needed and defeated Meruem.
The biggest thing Liam gets wrong is why Pariston is more likely than the other zodiacs is what he talked about 1 minute before that tangent. It's not about raw power its about weird abilities and Parison is clearly more likely to have a goofy hax ability than too be a brute force. Besides that spot on video as always.
Let's not forget, meruem did not fight netero to kill, did not use nen, only 40 days old, inexperience compared to the veteran netero. Prime to prime I'd still put my $$$ on the ant king. Badass-ness I'd go with netero, he know he would die in that battle but still gives the middle finger to the king.
That’s kinda false. At the start of the arc he stated himself to be about half because he is out of shape. By the king fight he is probably close to up to normal strength after the training and prep
The last one doesn't necessarily make sense. If his arm rotations have diminishing returns, it could be that there is a logarithmic relationship where there is a defined upper limit to his output. Each time he rotated it would get stronger but with an ever decreasing amount that will approach that upper limit but will never reach it. So even if he rotated an infinite amount of times, it would never actually reach that upper limit, just infinitely close to it.
@@prostatus7190 Wouldn't that fulfill the purpose of Killua's mission though? I thought his goal at the end of HxH in the anime (I haven't read the manga after the reveal of the Dark Continent by Ging) was to essentially help Alluka get rid of Nanika for good?
@@Doommaster677 No. Killua learned to love both Alluka and Nanika. So, Killua would never want to see Nanika harmed. There was a moment that in which Killua wanted to remove Nanika. But, when he saw how much attached Alluka was to Nanika, Killua changed his mind.
@@manuelmenchaca4912 Probably not, I think Nanika can just eat up the nen beast thing that gives Camilla that power or whatever. Nanika's powers have been depicted as absolute so far, I don't think anything in the current human world should be able to do anything to her, maybe something in the dark continent?
Honestly, that's a bit of a blindspot. So far, we haven't seen any limits on controlling creatures stronger than you - but we also haven't really seen it attempted. For all we know, it could be a Bleach scenario where Reiatsu crushes Reiatsu, with Meruem's sheer life force allowing him to be practically uncontrollable.
@@goldcobraarima9819 But the thing is, does Nen naturally defend against other aura, or does it have to be specialized to do so? If it can, Meruem would probably be immune to everyone shown thus far. If you punch someone with a fist of aura, the opponents aura will block it. My question - with no answer, is that can specialized abilities (not the type) be blocked with basic aura, or does it have to be excorcism-flavored? Nen can counter nen, but can basic nen counter abilities is the question. We don't really know. Say Killua fires a lightning bolt. Using aura to defend yourself almost certainly helps - but does using aura help you against Illumi?
There's probably a way to make killing the king with Alluka with much less risk. Just make Komugi fail Alluka's four simplest tasks. She'll die alongside Meruem.
@@astamanista9447 only speculation at this point but I'd guess even if Alluka died before the request was fulfilled, the request itself still has the lethal implication behind it.
Re: post rose meruem vs Camilla. Given the rose's effects, and depending on the battle length, is it possible Camilla would end up dying twice? First from a direct kill from meruem and then exposure to the poison. A cruel thought.
"Wish granting is the most powerful ability in the series, especially when wielded by a certain Killua." Which is why I disliked the Nanika arc quite a bit, since the fact that Killua bypasses the rules of Nanika's power pretty much could have made any other threat pointless.
I’d really like to see a video on who you think the best nen users are from each of their own respective categories like who’s the best transmuter, the best enhancer, the best conjurer, etc
Rihan actually said his ability wasnt very good against enhancers because they can typically just overpower the predator. Meruem definitely has the power to go on par with other enhancers
Haha i knew Knov would be here. I instantly thought about him as one of the characters that could beat him. That's probably why they made him have a mental breakdown, to avoid his OP ability
I feel like if meruem was trapped in the pocket dimension. His simple urge to escape said pocket dimension, and his massive talent would create a nen ability to escape the pocket dimension
It's unquestionably an op ability but has some limits that prevent it from competing with the top tiers, getting a fatal hit requires a certain setup that is hard to get with a faster opponent for instance.
@@laurenkirby97 that’s true but it’s one of the few abilities where the primary function isn’t actually combat...it can just be used for combat in some specific situations...and you can see this because knov is most definitely not a combatant (IMO) and was the only person to break down at the thought of having to fight a royal guard
Hear me out: Knuckle’s ability plus any one shot punch kind of ability do kill Meruem if you hit him with Knuckle’s ability and then successfully hide.
About Phinks's Hatsu, my opinion is this: He cannot exceed his maximum aura output - simply because he can't use more aura than he has. However, the Ripper Cyclotron, having a condition and limitation, serves to enhance the efficiency at which his aura is used to deliver the attack. The more times he rotates his arm, the more aura is pooled into it AND the more destructive it becomes. Not just because of more aura, but because the same amount of aura becomes more destructive due to the limitation. So in short, if compared to Uvogin's or Gon's approach, while their destructive power would scale linearly compared to how much aura they pool into their fist, Phinks's destructive power would probably scale quadratically.
What if, this is dumb af but, what if he expends and regenerates the aura put into the rotations? lol as in -1 aura per rotation but also +1 aura every second.
I think that the system of nen conditions is theoretically infinite. As long as the condition is strong enough, someone could probably increase their maximum aura capacity indefinitely. But I don’t know if Phinks’ condition is restrictive enough to increase his aura capacity.
@@sirwatermelon2141 But generally, if your nen power has a strong effect, it will also have a strong restriction. Like Chrollo's book thing and Kurapika's chain jail, extremely broken but also incredibly restrictive.
Another manga ability that I would bring up for consideration is 9th prince Halkenburg's arrow. It's said that it can pierce through any and all defenses, so it could definitely hit Meruem. The problem is that we don't really know whether it kills the target or just suppresses their soul/consciousness, but if it's the former, it could definitely work.
4:28 Assuming the king couldn't easily overpower the cat... Yes post death Nen is many times more powerful but what is many times more powerful of a weak Nen users when compared to the King? And if its the resurrected King... I don't see him struggling at all. Actually I don't think even the Royal guards would struggle to overpower the cat...
2:25 Sort of off topic, but, can we talk about the fact that not only does Alluka love Killua..Nanika is fond of him as well. Thats terrifying and Killua is built different.
I'm shocked that Basho wasn't mentioned. He's a buffoon, but I think it's pretty clear he has the second best chance of taking out Meruem directly after Aluca. He'd have to write a fantastic poem, but it's much more likely than the other possibilities.
I was thinking the same thing. But, as for his poem writing, I imagine he could have a huge armory of poems that do various useful things that he could just whip out whenever he needed, killing Meruem in one fiery punch included lol.
@@branden_bravo I adore that his go-to option is to 'put fire with _______'. Only Togashi-Sensei would give such a ludicrous power to a character that's basically incapable of using it in any mode but the tutorial.
There was a comment i agree with, that tagashi mentally screwed know over, bcaue he realized that h wa capable of deeating meruem, especially with invisible chamelion.
my theory for the last guy the rotations can only go as far as his physical body can handle. maybe at some point he rotates and builds up so much energy if he punched it out hed disintegrate
The theory about gon may be strong enough to go toe to toe with mereum, gets even more complicated in the anime , when netero while being asked if he can fight pitou during the time she was on the tower, netero responded that she is stronger or has a stronger nen than him (his answer wasnt that clear since he simply said that pitou is stronger). So in theory with gon beating pitou it could mean that gon is stronger than netero, so gon would had a better fight with mereum.
@@wojack8272 way stronger just isn't true. Toe to toe Netero could maybe best Pitou if he put everything on the line (zero hand), but he definitely wouldn't come out of it unscathed. Pitou was even smiling during their fight which shows she didn't have much concern.
Gon only beat Pitou cuz of the nen pact. The actual adult gon (when gon naturally becomes an adult) won’t be as strong as the nen pact adult gon unless gon also undergoes the same type training Netero went to surpass his power limit
@@jeevalshivanegowda9280 My guy, if you don't know the correct answer to something, don't comment. If you actually read the manga or read anything Togashi said you'll know that all Gon's nen pact did is fast forward him to an age in which his nen would be the strongest, so If he didn't make the pact he would still become that strong.
@@demetter7936 my guy, I’ve already read the manga, watched the anime, and went through a bunch of HxH discussions on major platforms like Reddit and disqus. Maybe next time link a proof or something which states that nen adult gon power we saw is how Gon will actually be when he becomes an adult.
I don't see how Phinks is "by far the most unlikely of the 5 characters to actually succeed" when Knov is on the list. The draft plan of using Meleoron to sneak up on Meruem should work as well for Phinks as it would for Knov. Great list, nonetheless, love the videos!
Knuckle's ability is super underrated. There are obvious problems, such as how long it would take to drain all of Meruem's Nen as well as the possibility that even without Nen he would still be physically strong enough to win, but given how it was use against Youpi I think Knuckle would have a fighting chance as long as he could get in one hit.
Exactly what I was thinking. He could probably do it with meleoron’s gods accomplice and knov. Just walk up to mereum, punch him, and jump in a portal. Then you just wait.
I have a question about Killua: Why did he not learn Nen from his own family. You could clearly see they are powerfull nen Users. And at what age would you think they would have taught him about Nen ? Would he be Stronger or weaker ?
Well Wing explained that using too much nen at a young age limits your future potential. Its possible that they just wanted to make Killua reach his physical peak first, before teaching him nen
it's a plot hole in my opinion. How does Killua have zero idea what Nen is but instantly recognized his grandpa's dragon dive technique? they haven't seen each other in a while.
Nen was obviously not something that Togashi planned, and its very obvious that he didnt have it in mind during the Hunter exam arc. Theres a bunch of plot holes proving this, its a really common trope in a lot of shonen, especially long running shonen, due to enemies always having to power scale.
@@AKDcrew being the inquisitive child that he was, he would have asked his grandpa to teach him somehow, but as you can see in the heavens arena arc. he was completely clueless of Nen. It's a plothole but it's fine. Shonen is riddled with these. it does not diminish HxH in any way.
Knuckle + Meleoron might also be able to beat the king, using the tactics they we're supposed to use for the royal guards. It's gonna take a while before bankruptcy happens, but it is possible given enough time. The whole proximity thing might be solved by adding knov to the mix. Could possibly just replace Meleoron with knov as well.
@@A2Z2 it won't be too difficult to kill him if he doesn't have nen. Knuckle + Meleoron can probably kill him when he doesn't have any nen anymore. It's the same thing with the royal guards I think.
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Ripper Cyclotron probably acts as an aura multiplier: namely it takes whatever amount of aura Phinks puts into it and multiplies it by the number of windings with there being a limit to the amount he can put in to be multiplied. I assume it's similar to Knuckle's Hakoware, Hakoware takes the amount Knuckle puts into his initial punch and multiplies it every 10 seconds by the interest rate with there presumably being a limit to the amount Knuckle can loan on a single punch
It's different though because the interest is actually taken from the enemy, it multiplies by taking whatever is in the enemy, so the limit is the enemy's max aura. If Phinks' aura is multiplied, where does the increase in aura come from?
@@weribus3569 so Hakoware works like a virus basically. Knuckle injects an initial loan quantity of aura into his opponent which will grow according to the interest rate. His opponent's presumably cannot use the loaned aura for their Hatsu and the aura Knuckle can load into a single punch is also presumably limited, he can't just go loaning out 99% of his aura limit. Hakoware then multiplies the aura loaned inside the opponent until the loan exceeds the opponent's maximum aura at which point it causes them to go Aura Bankrupt for a Month. I compared this to Phinks Ripper Cyclotron because the idea is the same; Phinks puts a little aura into his fist, then the act of cranking his arm multiples the aura in his fist by a certain amount each crank. Both techniques involve investing a little aura then doing certain things to multiply that initial investment for a purpose, either waiting and avoiding getting hit in the case of Hakoware (since enemies can pay back Knuckle's loan by hitting him), or cranking your arm in Phink's case. The pay off and ceiling of the two techniques is different since Knuckle aims to multiply his aura to exceed his opponent's total amount making the target's max aura the maximum amount he can multiply his to but this number can be whatever the opponent's maximum is, like it would have still worked on Youpi if given enough time. Phinks we don't know how much he can multiply his aura using Ripper Cyclotron however I'm guessing he has an upper limit after which he'll start to do damage to his own arm from the intense aura he's channeling though it.
Meruem is 40 days year old, meaning he is a rookie to being alive.
A winning matchup for our resident Rookie Crusher Tonpa.
Insects are always born adults
They can pretty much do everything an adult of that insect species can
@@funnylawre his powers are almost definitely at their prime the moment he came into the world but his mental maturity is definitely not, his thought processes changed pretty dramatically in the short amount of time he was alive due to experience and interaction with others.
@@Jay9966 yeah u're right
He's not that far from his prime but these people talking like he's a baby being 40days old
He'll at the most be twice stronger than his present self I think
It's not quite true because he is the result of the best crossbreeding of all species in NGL, include Nen User. So that 40 days insect has the strength or potential talent of million years of evolution.
hahahaha
Chrollo fans are the same as batman fans "Yo but if he had prep time tho"
Or Rick and Morty fans
Meruem gonna clap Chrollo's cheeks
Well batman proves it everytime
@@alexeiharp7676 Just plot armour tbh
@@chiefakif2739 not really that's the whole point of the character, being able to strategize beforehand therefore adapting to most figure cases
Meruem can barely withstand the property of gum. Add in rubber, he doesn’t stand even stand a chance
@@loturzelrestaurant u don't have to copy paste
I'm weak as hell 😂😂😂😂😂
Im tired of living in a world where people use the same jokes over and over again just for the sake of gaining validation from fellow retards. Please consider using an original joke in your next comment good sir... :)
@@danielakbari3447 it's not a joke it's the truth what is wrong with you
@@danielakbari3447 Calling people re***** just cause they reused a joke is just dumb and immature, please consider thinking before you talk shit :)
I found Ging very frustrating during the show , his strongest power I have seen was Dead Beat Dad Vibe
Leorio punching Ging in the face for being a shitty dad is my favorite moment in anime
@@joym3357 ging making a yuyuhakusho
Pose is my favourite in hxh
I always found it confusing why Gon would go through many obstacles to see Ging when he chose adventure over him.
@@SupernaturalColors the very fact that gone survived was based on luck and last minute intervention.
To be fair, he only didn't raise Gon because Gon's aunt whatshername got custody of Gon and told him to stay away. He was planning to leave him with her for 3 years and then come back originally.
Komogi can and has defeated Meruem
Funny
He never stood a chance
Fax
Oop-
@@crimsonpetal8337 no
"If you can't win, nuke em!" -Netero
“If you can’t beat’em bomb’em” -goku
_”Let’s nuke da bastards!”_
Even without fighting against Netero, Meruem would've died by anyone who would've activated the bomb near him. At the end Humanity was the winner
-General McArthur to Harry S. Truman relating to the Chinese in Korea. circa 1950
Also Deidara ideology
I only say Rookie crusher Tonpa
Poison juice
Meruem is a rookie after all
Jokes aside, what if they can make an orange juice with the rose bomb poison and somehow make meruem drink it, that would save a lot of time
Bro poison killed him so the poison juice totally didn’t work on Killua but he refined it
Hahaha
Hypothetically, Hisoka can use texture surprise to transform himself into Komugi, ultimately beating Mereum.
Also, let’s not forget that Bungee Gum has the properties of both rubber and gum.
height
@Hu3 what in the goddamn unholy abomination- well… he’s sure not above doing that so if he is as… creative as you and thought that this would be a good strategy, then he would do that tbh
I believe that Meruem would kill Komugi (hisoka) if he notices that she's acting weird
This wouldn’t work since Mereum can read nen, and I’m pretty sure komugi and hisoka have a different nen distribution. So hisoka would get killed fast
You honestly believe he’s not gonna notice the difference between the only person he has feelings for and hisoka plus you’re making it seem like hisoka can 1 shot him or he wouldn’t notice his aura
It is just insane how popular HxH still is.. So many fellow masochists.
@Zoltan Odabachian masochist is someone who likes bringing pain on themselves, and it’s pain to wait for more hxh, but us fans bring it upon ourselves
why?, its the best anime. No boring chapters, amazing story, incredible characters, one of the best power base animes in our entire histoy.
@@gaboelexo it's the waiting. And the uncertainty that comes from it, especially considering this is the longest hiatus by far.
HxH? what's that? Hiatus X Hiatus?
@@loturzelrestaurant Physical brawler is a big understatement, Meruem is basically Uvogin in a much bigger scale, and did you see what happened to the whatever Mafia guys that got killed? Meruem is also definitely smarter than Uvogin.
Gon could beat Meruem he has a power called main character and can’t die
Bro just say plot armor
@@JayAve180 “Bro just say plot armor”
@@JayAve180 Main char and cant die
meruem could beat gon without killing him lmao
is he even considered the main character ever since he lost his powers
Keep in mind netero didn't bring the strongest hunters he brought the smartest and most strategic there are still powerful hunters who roam freely and do what they want
We already knew this though. I.e Ging and even Hisoka.
@@Jesuspaid4oursins facts reason I said it because alot of people biased off that 1 mission against the ant army
Plus there abilities we’re versatile and stealthy
It's mostly because the ants Wer too damn powerful that a royal guard was stronger than Netero (nen wise) so their option was to pick the best abilities rather than pure strenght since most would lose.
Knov freaking out and being traumatisé has deffinetely crippled their plan abit
@@jamjambo351 yeah. I felt they had to write him off fast cause his power was legit Op in ways. If he managed to get a portal around a royal guards limb, its gone.
So they had him be in a state of zetsu for to make him go away
The idea of Meruem losing just because he willingly wanders into Knov’s ability due to overconfidence is hilarious-
If Meruem became a spider, Kurapika could then take him out.
Kurapika could anyway if meruem had a singular heart like people do, judgement chain can be used on anyone (he used it on himself to set the conditions for chain jail) it’s just chain jail that’s limited to spiders
@@kayat.9775 I don't think that Kurapika's chains can pierce Meruem's skin
@@matheusv.1367 and kurapika himself doubt that his Chains could restrain no nen kurtopi.
His current limit is Uvogin , but since meruem is clearly stronger that no nen pitou who jumps 2 kilometers with little effort , something Way beyond anything Uvogin could have done without nen. I'm decline to think he cannot pierce meruem.
@White Amerikkka’s Worst nightmare isnt chrollo the seventh physically strongest
@Prom Sun but under the right circumstances he could die to judgement chain maybe even without the help of chain jail
Characters that can defeat Meruem :
1) Tonpa
2) Tonpa Super Saiyan Blue
3) Tonpa Ultimate Adult Form
4) Tonpa One Punch Man Form
5) Elevator Girl
Tonpa with a shotgun
😭 😭 😭 😭 😭
you forgot tonpa with poisoned juice
@@DSeven_27 that’s just tonpa
Don’t forgot Tonpas army of juice cans
These lists never mention Komugi. However she is the only one confirmed to have beat him
@@loturzelrestaurant lol he sure isn’t your favorite character is it?
@@Klipsonyoutube and he commented this everywhere
well the list does say "CAN" defeat meruem, not "HAVE" defeated him
@@loturzelrestaurant the rose would still kill him cause the rose is not normal poison it's a genetic poison a cimera would never be able to counter that.
@@FantasmaNaranja she has, and she can
Togashi accidentally introduced too many powerful abilities in the ant arc, which is why he had to take out Knov. because if Knov wasn't taken out, the raid would be too easy when he combines with Mereoleon.
The sequence when knov does recon on the castle is one of my favorites
Even if that is the case, he took knov out in the best way possible
He tanked netereos "zero" after getting clapped by the 1000 hand buddha so many times. Camaleon would not be able to kill him with any move or poision, because pouf would heal the poision or pitou.
@@michaelabreu700 He probably meant that Knov would kill him the way he killed the ant in the castle, he just made the head disappear and knowing hxh that's 100% a way that would work
@@ratongolzache5624 i know but it takes time for know to react and set up another portal, mereum is not a fodder ant, he would realise his nen as soon as he enters, remember nobounaga en he said he can count the leaves falling off a tree
Here's the real top 5 of who's killing Meruem:
5) Nanika
4) Adult Gon
3) Tonpa
2) Komugi
1) A singular can of raid
Adult Gon aint doing shit
@@LeKoliasl bro he kicked petou like she was a beach volleyball
@@LeKoliasl I mean, he would put up a good fight, but realize this. The adult gon we saw had the mentality of child gon, meaning no experience or battle strategy that he would have learned if he actually trained for that long until adult gon’s age. Also, it was never confirmed that it was his prime, sure he said that he would use everything, but that might be the limit for which he can sacrifice his life for. He could train until fake adult gon’s age, then train afterwards.
@@donkesquared7837 adult Gon still means the adult Gon we know , not some hypothetical adult Gon
@@donkesquared7837 by your logic Meruem is also a literal child
Kurapika: waaaaaaait. So you're like part spider?
Meruem: like 3% of my DNA?
Kurapika: Perfect.
yesir
nah kurapika still gets clapped
Android 16 reference?
Lol
Kurapika: say no more
The whole point of Meruem is that he's defeated by his human side
Meruem was an inappropriate being in a world full of people, it's existence only existed to give us an amazing love story. Meruem could have taken everything thrown at him if he had survived.
Him and Dr Manhattan are similar in that aspect.
The whole point of this video is to theory craft
I mean, his death is more the fact that despite being vastly superior to everyone by such an enormous landslide, he still was insignificant compared to humanities malice, as a simply easily mass produced and cheap bomb could take him out
That's incorrect, he was defeated because humanity's malice is even greater than the ants' potential through evolution, humanity's malice being incarnated in the form of a poisonous bomb. Meruem's internal conflict between his beast and human side was the central theme to his character's development, but not to his ultimate demise.
I think that Pitou's dialogue about Gon in the manga makes an even stronger argument for Gon being able to kill Meruem. Pitou has the features of a cat, and all felines rely on kill shots when hunting prey by using their fangs to target vitals. So the statement "As I feared, his fangs might even sink into the king!" would most literally mean that Gon cannot only harm Meruem but also kill Meruem if done successfully.
Nah, adult gon aint touching meruem lmao
@@sid4579 yeah the mental state and durability are just not there for that fight to go well for Gon.
really a stretch imo
Aura wise, he is probably on par but he seemed to be pretty bad at fighting
@@JoaquinThomasSantillanRo-fz5mhhe asked for power not experience
Couldn’t anyone in the world kill Meruem, provided that they have a poor mans rose?
I would like see how the dragon zoadic that was refer to Netero having strength like him. And there ging freeces
Yes but not everyone would have the connections or ability to get one
@@chrishall5570 true. I guess not anyone in the world, just anyone with enough money or political connections.
No
@@marceloring788 why not? Th poor mans rose did kill meruem
ok imagine Phinks, but with netero training. He could wind his arm up like a million times a minute lol
Freaking propelled himself into the void in the process, literal helicopter
Seriously though if Phinks grew up under the right circumstances, he could easily be on Netero's scale
his aura still has its limits, i remember a dialouge where if phinks rotated his arm more than what his aura could achieve, his arm will blow up or be disabled
@@old4ever thanks I almost died of laughter at 3 in the friking morning 🤣
@@drinkwaterreminderformenot919 If that's true, it's one of the worst powers in the whole series lol. the condition of having to rev it up is a cost, and allows the boosting of power, maybe he can only put as much aura as he has into it, but he can continue rotating to actually boost the power? like it's a multiplier not a straight aura to aura boost?
Don't forget Tonpa :-The Rookie crusher😀
Buggy the Clown of Hunter X Hunter
Technically Meruem is a rookie
@@joshiffy
LMFAO
with about 40 days of life meruem should be considered a super rookie
@@nevergonnagiveupuntilibeco5690 that comparison is super off and makes zero sense.
This video really highlights what sets Hunter X Hunter apart from pretty much every other Shonen anime. In Hunter X Hunter, *everyone* is a threat. Even characters that appear to be weak on the surface have abilities that can, depending on the situation, make them an extremely valuable asset. As a result, Gon and Killua can't just punch/fireball their way out of every situation they're in. They need to form alliances and develop clever strategies.
It's sad because I don't think we'll ever see a show like it again. Even the ones that have shown promise in recent years tend to go off the rails and fall victim to power creep after two or three seasons. Togashi is truly in a tier of his own when it comes to world building.
Yeah u're totally right, HxH isn't just about "who beats who", it's full of variables and actually makes it look like the fights are using everything in their possible use to win, like when they turned of the lights to kidnapp Chrollo cause it would slow 1 sec of reaction of the Spiders. Or when Kaito realizes Pitou's power and instantly send Gon and Killua to gtfo cause they hadn't 1% of chance to win.
It's a world which in you *almost* can never resort in good guy's protagonist power to solve problems, or sudden transformations in the middle of battles that destroy the consistency of technical battles. Not everyone is made only to duel 1v1 like crazy like in other shonens. Basically if a character say fuck it and go all in agaisnt almost anyone in HxH without a strategy or technical thinking, he is prob going to lose/die. That's years and years ahead of main characters screaming and raising power level/gaining new powers to overtake some threat.
In terms of clever battle systems, I'd say Jojo is on par with HxH, arguably even better. Especially the last two manga parts. If only HxH was actually still being written consistently, it'd probably be my favourite manga, because the worldbuilding/fantasy aspect is phenomenal. It was very enjoyable to read HxH after Jojo, because you can see how nen abilities get influenced more and more by stands in each passing arc.
So you guys are talking about Naruto.
@@akatsukimi Midruto
I agree with everything except us not seeing another shounen like HxH. I think JJK is taking that legacy rn. Spoilers ahead:
Even Gojo, the objectively strongest person in universe as of rn, got captured by some good planning and clever usage of techniques. And yuji, the MC who is exactly the person trying to punch his way through life, gets clapped by most of his allies and a good chunk of the enemies in the series.
Just have Phinks rotate his arm for a few days.
Haha arthritis go brrrrr
LMFAO
Edit: You predicted the Video
He probably can't hit more aura than he has in total. Unless he can recharge aura while using it which over a few days sure maybe. But knuckle when explaining nen further to gon did mention a "potential nen output" which is the max aura you can send out at once so he might have a hard limit.
@@xavmanisdabestest Unless he creates a restriction for more aura and power
@@xavmanisdabestest In this case, the rotation of the hand acts as a condition of ability and creates a risk, so that Phinks may well exceed his own limit.
I feel like HxH naturally resists that 1v1 style internet bloodsports debate on its own. Biscuits speech to killua about fights between people at different levels of combat abilities emphasizes it. Situation is everything.
Situation is everything, but Bisky's speech emphasizes on only one or a few parts of the battles. Even Morel's speech to Killua about aura quantity doesn't cover it all. If you notice Bisky only talks about somebody's physical, mental state and their combat abilities, while Morel talks only about aura. There is plenty of other stuff they don't even mention.
Nah I'd say it only matters if you there isn't a huge power difference. No way leorio is ever winning against meruem with any scheme. Power still matters unless you have literal hax like aizen or yhwach. It doesn't resist the 1v1 there is barely any fights that don't happen to have the main cast present. Therefore we never get to see many fighters at maximum output or near death fights. Hell we haven't seen many of the spiders in a REAL fight. But half of them are dog water noncombatant anyway. Situation really isn't everything. A 1v1 is a 1v1. Power has been a very consistent thing in hunterxhunter. The whole point of meruem was that he was so op they had to nuke his ass.
Yeah, netero literally picked the worst spot to fight Meruem. If he fought him in a spot where Meruem couldn't bounce from pillars and create different angles, Netero could have stood a chance since in theory, netero netero could infinitely countered him and punch him.
@@manormanman7092 lmao what meruem didn't need the pillars to win who said this? Not only that meruem literally wasn't even serious against him. He wanted to know his real name so he didn't' just kill netero on the spot. Were you even watching the anime or reading the manga??? lmao
@@55thstreet66 very interesting you mention this as this was one of meruems thoughts at one point, mentioning that the raw power of violence , absolute strength trumps every other talent. He realizes how someone with a gifted talent even much greater than his in some other aspect can be easily killed by his hand. I think the whole situation played the bigger role here, an ominous being who couldve probably killed 1/3 (or more) of the human population before dying grew to think that he was born for the moments he shared with komugi, a giant turned by an ant. At a point he also recognized their own pitfall, that they are part human. What I mean to say is that no one thing *won* here, not power not random circumstances, they both played out as they did.
Tonpa when he unlocks the full form of nen can easily just take on the entirety of the dark continent itself.
Just one sip of his legendary juice is enough to take down everyone
I think you forgot that Tonpa Sama created Dark Continent
Plot twist: Tonpa was actually the real author of HxH
They're all rookies, he could ROFLstomp them in base.
Tonpa does not actually use nen as it would distract him from using his true power. he uses a completely different power system known as flavorless laxatives where he can force feed people orange juice to make them poo their pants. this worked on meruem who does not even wear pants.
I find the whole discussion pointless because the final point of Meruem in the story is that there are actually tons of humans who could have killed him easily. In the end he got done in by a small device that a very large number of humans could easily mass-produce. And none of his strength or ability to evolve could do shit about it.
The game was rigged from the start.
That is the point of netero's statement on his death, not the point of meruem'e existence.
Meruem is one if not the best written villain in anime and he has more depth than what ur talking about
@@laughingd4518 nahh i disagree with the best written villain stuff, he's just average. there are many villains like him.
@@Fx_Explains Examples.
@@cheloxmv hitler
I just realized ging is basically the shanks of hxh. We know he is powerful and among the top best nen users in the series but we haven't really seen him fight seriously and really know what he is capable of.
More like Dragon cuz both are shitty fathers
@@TDHOFBAMA Yeah you're right lol
i feel like shanks has a bigger similarity to kite in terms of plot tho
Kite is the Shanks. Comes on early into the Protagonist's career, shows him a way forward, loses his arm to save the protagonist.
@@TwoToneShoes same voice actor also
We don't know exactly how Camilla's ability works on a condition clearing level, though. Sure, we know the cat nen beast materializes if she is physically killed but what happens after that isn't completely clear. Does the cat actually have to quickly catch the killer with it's claws in a speed blitz? If so, than it would seemingly be possible for a fast enough target (which Meruem probably is) to evade it's attack and come out unscathed. Or is capture of the target just guaranteed by the strength of Camilla's death condition, meaning the target is either compelled not to escape through manipulation or the cat can match the target's speed or teleport to wherever they go indefinitely?
Perhaps even more importantly, what does it actually DO to the target? By which I mean; is the target's body immediately converted into life-giving spirit energy once enveloped by the cat's paws? Or, does the cat have to physically crush their body to kill them first? If it's the latter, Camilla probably doesn't have enough aura output to form a creature strong enough to overpower and then crush Meruem to death. And I think it's questionable that even nen after death could bridge a gap that big.
Or for example: if you cath her somewhere and let her die of hunger, will cat telleport to you, it is count or not? Or if you throw her in the water with something havy, or manipulator like Illumi use nidleman to kill her, wich live cat would suck or tries to suck. Is this cat immortal or you could break it... Weird ability.
Another issue is that that Meruem can take her ability by using ‘Aura Synthesis’ if he finish her off by eating her and be able to counter her ability
I soooo agree with you... Since also... Camila has a cat... How many lives does a cat have? Ig 9... Maybe.. Just a theory.. She has a limited amount of lives.. And like you said. Maybe the cat has to catch someone quickly.. Or.. Has to defeat the killer of camila.. Or maybe like you said.. A physical murder is the condition to awaken the cat.. So many questions. But i theory. Yes she can.. Also... I dont think phinks need 100k spins. Like be read.. The spins double his attack power. I think. So I'd say in 15 spins he'd do as much damage as neteros first hand.. And ley me make something clear.. You know about the pa scale right? Soo ib theory.. Phinks's attack hits with as much force right?? Buttt.. The pascal scale says that it has to be force and square meter.. Sooo.. It might have as much power as neteros attack.. One of them.. Butttttt... It has less area damage... My point is that phinks would do more damage to meruem. Waaay more. Cuz its ig a sharper attack? Or less area and same force... Its like swinging a hammer and an axe at the same power... The hammer will do more area damage. But the axe will point all the force in one line. Which is how things cut.. Like axes and knives.. Sorry for the boring explanation of my theory 😅😅.. Soo to sum my argument... I'd say in 30 spins he'd one shot meruem.. Depending if it hits his head or arm... Since one kills and one doesn't..
@@vampiranya9939 Or what if you make a trap and it kills her, or you produce a gun and someone shoots her?
Her killing intent wont work on individual that figure out the flaw with her ablity like Benjamin. I am sure meruem will fine way to make camila summit without killing her ripping off her limbs.
Quite the refreshing video, I see too many "Hunter x Hunter power level" type discussions out there and every time I just can't help but feel like they're missing the point of nen, even if aura quantity is a factor.
Because the manga clearly shows there are tiers of characters wittin the series, and meruem on especific is supposed to be above anything humams can throw at him , besides a nuclear bomb of course
of course if you talk about strategy and everything there are many scenarios, still if we talk about the "strongest" meruem is it.
REFRESHING? THIS VIDEO IS ALL INCORRECT. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WHAT A DUM VIDEO
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Just a correction: If Killua is the one making the request to Nanika, the cost will be pretty much a chocolate at most, as long as he is the one to receive her next request, which is the Killua's big secret: He does not get charged heavily for his requests to Nanika, making them together pretty much unbeatable. Which also raises the question: "Couldn't Killua just ask Nanika to restore Gon's Nen?". Still, having Killua rewarded with infinite power after his character progression from former Pro Assassin to the kindest brother in contrast to Gon ending completely powerless after his journey from kind former "escort" to "fuck myself, I am blasting your head because I think you killed my friend that is not actually that and just became a girl instead...". So I like this ending of both characters and honestly cannot think of a proper way to bring either of them back to the story without making it feel forced. Gon had his journey, met his father, which was his goal when becoming a Hunter, finished his journey, lost his powers (which also means that he will not be attracting foes due to the "non-written rule"), and can go back to his peaceful life on the island... Killua learned to find himself, reunited with his most beloved sibling, and will be a great brother after his whole journey with the others so far.
You made a very good point there about how Killua and Gon lost/gained power as their character developed! I'd never thought about that before so thank you 😁 Hope you're doing great
@@davidphelan2520 thanks! Glad you liked it!
Gon still needs to fight hisoka
@@gabrielgherman87 Ofc 😁 Ty!
@@degeneratedeuterium5164 Hisoka still needs to fight Gon, not the other way around. Only Hisoka is obsessed with fighting strong opponents.
He was defeated several times in the story by a Single character, komugi.
5 characters who can defeat Meruem:
Togashi
Togashi
Togashi
Togashi
Togashi
bonus: plot
yes
No it's the special nen ability which is hiatus
@@lawrencegutierrez9261 😀
Togashi has been defeted by nothing
hiatus kun
I always thought that Phinks needs to be “in battle” to actually do the arm rotations as this risk is what gives it the power
Dog water power. He gets speed blitzed by top tier characters in no time. Perfect example netero would swat him like a fly.
@@55thstreet66 plus its a no limits fallacy
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 fr I don't think people understand nen users have a nen supply they literally run out of juice.
His arm will explode
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 you dont know what a no limits fallacy is.
This is the best video I have seen on the subject, I love it when a Manga/Anime fan actually talks in the respective logic that comes within the manga. I fell in love with the concept of Nen exactly because its not some power level thing like other old school Mangas. The Concept of Nen and especially rhe concept of technique and fight IQ makes things complex and yet interesting.
I myself thought that the kings guard youpi himself could pose a threat to the king in terms of his power output. Especially when the king once intended to kill pitou and yet she withstood the attack, which surprised the king. Meaning the kings guards themselves had growing potential. But Pitou is a special case, since on one hand his aura was ferious and more of a beast nature, on the other hand in his fight with all the different nenusers he seemed to gain a lot of knowledge on aura and nen usage. Especially his body that shapeshifted into advantageous forms depending on his instincts and what he needed was very interesting.
imagine meruem lived long enough to actually develop his nen ability
A beast but dark Continent prolly has some even more deadly opponents
Man what a masterpeice shonen hunter x hunter is 😓✊🏿💯 i miss it
its prolly wouldnt be anything to different he was born at the max as it was stated correct me if im wrong though
if he did happen to live longer and wasnt nuked by netero, its probable that he would develop a nen ability like komugi's so that he could beat her in gungi
@@Milwaz34 yes but the only reason that merum ever lost any of his fights was inexperience any other person likely would have realized netero had a plan after he kept fighting to the death knowing he was almost certainly gonna lose. just being powerful doesent matter if it did the ants won that fight hands down since merum could probably behead most of them almost instantly with his tail if there not ready for the attack
@@ChildOfIslamSadiq are there characters who can beat him please tell me who and why
Let us not get distracted from the fact that bungee gum posseses the property of both rubber and gum.
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And yet hisoka would get destroyed by being too much of a pedo I mean cmon MERUEM IS ONLY 44 YEARS OLD so yeah hisoka would not stand a chance
@@Cam1la.8 you meant... Days?
Prolly Hisoka, with his Nen Ability of both Rubber and Gum he'll definitely win.
That's honestly the most scary nen power, rubber and gum??? Have you seen Luffy? He only has rubber! Hisoka uses cards too and that disguise thingy, uh texture surprise.
I mean bungee gum DOES have the ability of rubber AND gum
@@Jay9966 katakuri had sticky and stretch and he lost to rubber only
@@garrettjohnson5768 Mochi is nothing! rubber and gum are the real shit.
@@Jay9966 meruem will chop hisokas head in an instant
The issue with Camilla and Cat's Name is we don't know if the Cat it's self is invulnerable. Being Post Mortem Nen it's no doubt pretty strong but remember Meruem is INSANELY fast and strong, during his fight with Netero he was able to make 16 attacks in a second and after absorbing the powers of Youpi and Pouf it was said by Pouf his speed at least quadrupled, so 64 attacks in under a second... Even if he was cocky and let Cat's Name grab him there's no guarantee he couldn't break free either, Meruem is strong enough to obliterate Chimera Ant heads into a bloody mist with a casual flick of his tail when freshly born. The other question has to deal with how much Life Force Meruem has, Cat's Name revives Camilla by leeching Life Force from her Killer leading to their ultimate death, we know it takes enough to kill a normal Nen wielder but Meruem has a ton of Aura and possibly a ton of Life Force too because of how many lives the Queen poured into making him so we don't know if Cat's Name can siphon that much Life Force off
I know you posted this 4 months ago but I'd like to thank you for stating what was bothering me, people thinking conditional abilities are infinitely powerful when in reality they just become significantly more powerful based on the condition and sacrifice. I don't buy that the "no u" kitty cat could kill meruem, the user just doesn't have the base-line nen.
The issue is that Cat's Name feeds off the life force of the person who triggers it, so that much life force might either overwhelm it or just make it more efficient at bringing her back.
@@hariman7727 ya I said the issues are Meruem might be fast enough to dodge getting grabbed by Cat's Name since it does need to physically grab its victim, Meruem might be able to break free from its hands since the Life Force Leeching process isn't instant and Meruem is insanely strong so its feasible he could just break free from it. The other issue I brought up is we don't know how much Life Force Cat's Name drains or how much Meruem has: since Meruem has had a ton of resources poured into him by the Ant Queen we can assume he's got more than an average person in Life Force, so the question becomes does Cat's Name only drain enough life force to fill it's tail and revive it's user (and that amount happens to be enough to kill most enemies) or does it drain it's victim dry?
He could probably eat it and gain the ability for himself lol.
@@todo9633lmao that would be hilarious
I love how much thought goes into your videos. Maybe make one on why hisoka never seemed to focus on getting the opportunity to fight netero, even though he stated that he wants to
there are plenty of strong people Hisoka never fought, like Illumi for example. He would have had plenty opportunities to fight him. Also, Netero would bend Hisoka over and clap his cheeks
@@goldenboy140
And Hisoka would definitely love that
i’d assume it’s because he realized netero would destroy him.
Next video is going to be "All characters that can't defeat Meruem".
3 hour long video 😂
I would love a weekly recap of Jujutsu Kaisen chapters in the lines of the ones you do for One Piece! They are really great and enrich te experience!
I would love if he talked about the future of berserk and or about the authors death but I guess thats not happening either
@@patrickwhipple3097 the new world review has videos on jujutsu Kaisen already, berserk on the other hand...
@@liamlee7730 I know he does have jujutsu kaisen thats why I watched it in the first place but its just strange because this time last year he made atleast 5 or 6 videos about berserk and now there hasn’t been in a long while
i think one issue with trapping meruem is that he still has limitless aura at that point to escape the room, even if he bumbles around in the room for a full year he has to eventually come up with a hatsu to escape just out of instinct
i feel like thats likely to happen in such a hypothetical
Dude needs to eat and drink water, he's an insect human hybrid, he ain't got a year lol
He'll die before then
I missed these kind of videos, they're always fun
I feel like using the word Defeat and not Kill implies it doesn't need to be in combat. Meaning number 1 should be Komugi, who has defeated Meruem multiple times already.
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By defeat he means kill it seems prett obvious come on bro
@@dagan8659 whoosh
@@Burning_the_toast also woosh, but louder
Exelent point koala
Make a video on Meruem's potential future, like what if he managed to live. How strong and what will he do with is kingdom!
That would be a good video... but i think it boils down too he had little use of nen and if he’d master it and develop a hatsu he probably woulda been untouched by everyone
he already strongest ever in hx h wake up...
He would never be accepted by humans, at least in the short term, but i doubt humans will ever cease to challenge his might as long as he is alive. I think he will be able to bring humans to a even greater height under his rule, by the end of his lifespan in the story, he has gained benevolence, kindness and even love. I think Komugi and him will be an excellent pair to rule humanity.
But I am sure humans will find some sketchy way to kill Komugi and fill Meruem with hate somehow, as humans do.
His potential was practically limitless with his ability to consume nen
@@Jay9966 Very interesting vision, I'd say he would think like the dude from Watchmen and make everyone unite as 1 to defeat him which leads to a worldwide union or something i dont know he's smart
In regards to Phinks, it's worth noting that according to Knuckle there are 3 different numbers that can be called your 'MAX' aura. One of those numbers is pretty much impossible to raise without a process of training, and this just so happens to be the upper number of the three. As far as we know about nen, Phinks as an enhancer shouldn't have any way of raising his M.A.P. (maximum aura power) during a fight, so that should logically be the cap for Ripper Cyclotron. My guess is that R.C. raises either Phinks' A.A.P., P.A.P., or both. The overpowered aspect of the ability would be that it makes his power output cap at his M.A.P., whereas everybody else in the series is basically stuck at their A.A.P.
Ripper Cyclotron is a conditional amplifier, so it increases power with every rotation of the arm.
It's possible that the amplification combined with the obviously large amount of experience the Spiders have with Nen would mean that the upper limit might be enough to kill Meruem.
Pain Packer MIGHT, but what's his name would need to be buffed/able to survive Meruem's first hits.
But... it's better to bypass all of those and strike against the Stand User instead of... oops. Wrong series, but the same principle applies.
I believe that you also have to realize that meruem could only use the basic nen abilities, if meruem got enough time and he would learn to control his nen to the point of him able to use nen techniques he would most likely be unstoppable depending on how much time meruem have on learning nen.
Thx for this. I always hate how ppl just say a character could do this or that based on pure speculation and portrayal alone. Specially in a series like this where battles are mostly decided by how the powers interact.
One piece has the same problem when ppl say Dragon/Shanks/Mihawk could beat or do this and that when we’ve seen nothing yet
I really appreciate this video, it’s very rare to hear some grounded theories when it comes to HxH powers. To this day it still bothers me that people treat HxH like your average Battle Shounen. And especially around Meruem, I still see people missing the entire point of the character and the arc (some of y’all are in this comment section)
Netero surely crafted a plan for his own amusement, but he was no fool and knew exactly how strong the Royal Guard and Meruem were.
Remember that he implanted a bomb into himself as last resort in case he wasn’t capable of handling the job. For how nuts the guy is, if there were a Hunter he knew could do the job easily, he would’ve at least brought him/her along (I don’t think he blew himself up for no reason)
Given all of this, sure, there might be some incredible Hunters we yet know nothing about, but when it comes to battle prowess, Netero was surely one the strongest and most seasoned Nen users.
Meruem is supposed to be THE strongest character in HxH, or rather the strongest Nen user. He is supposed to be this insurmountable wall that is way stronger than anybody else, because his arc goes to show that: 1) Strength in battle isn’t the only type of strength, and 2) that no matter how strong you are, a nuclear bomb still kills you (and that’s why Chimera Ants are considered just a B level threat)
There’s no defeating the guy outright, the only way to kill him is by resorting to “dirty” tricks.
No he isnt lol. He’s literally said to be B tier after the dark continent arc became a thing.
@@ericb8241 Again, the tiers aren’t about power, they specifically rank entities on their likelihood to cause human extinction. This tells us nothing about their power, it only tells us about how dangerous these entities are to human society. Chimera Ants aren’t an A because, as I said in my original comment, it “only” takes a nuke to dispose of them. And again, the rankings talk about the species of the entity we are considering, not the power of singular individuals of the same category.
With this in mind, Meruem can still be the strongest living creature in the HxH universe, but when it comes to extinction level threats, he isn’t one.
I’m saying this because a lot of people seem to think we’ll find some Nen user stronger than Meruem in the Dark Continent. Remember, in the manga it is said that Netero was looking for a challenge there but he only found an endless quest for survival. This sort of implies how the nature of the threats faced there is different from the one we are currently used to. Which means few to no Nen users, and a lot of mortal creatures.
In the subtitles when he says meruem it spells out marijuana, deaf people must be confused lol
Yeah! and it's every time he says it, great lmao.
I honestly feel like rippercyclotron is a really under appreciated ability, it’s way more practical than jajan ken and it’s much more interesting, and the ability makes me ask a lot of questions about it that I’m surprised to see no one else asking
It’s beauty definitely lies in it’s simplicity. Just seeing a side character absolutely decimate an opponent even a higher ranking character struggled with is hilarious in its own right. And it’s not like it’s TOO over powered, if his punch misses then he’s basically screwed. Definitely a great hatsu.
Respectful but if we are talking abilities tht beat meruem...no it's not a contest my boy
@@tumbles19911 not straight up.. but meruem has shown that he'll just sit down and wait patiently in a fight
I think it's the opposite. Jajanken is significantly more practical because the condition comes from the charging (hence why Gon could use it WITHOUT an arm). If Phinks loses an arm, is prevented from moving his arms or is massively slowed, the condition can't be fulfilled and he can't do shit. I feel like it goes to show that some of the phantom troupe members have overly simplistic conditions on their abilities that only work because the opponent's they face are often dumb as shit (Zazan letting Feitan sit there, activate Pain Packer and then let loose his mini-sun), overconfident as shit (Shadow beasts refusing to kill Uvogin right away) or weak as shit (most low level hunters/civilians/ants).
The phantom troupe rely on highly refined abilities that came from years of experience to be the best match for the job they're needed for. They have more experience than almost anyone else so naturally they'd have abilities that allow them to match the level of opponents who posses far greater strength.
Hi! First off, thank you for mentioning me in a past video (I'm a reddit user who used to be very active in the HxH community and on the wiki, and the shout-out was very, very appreciated). I really liked you eschewing the easy answers of Ging, Pariston, Beyond, and Super Saygon when it came to this topic and actually putting some thought into it. If you don't mind upping your video's engagement:
1. The monkey paw when discussing Nanika was choice.
2. When it comes to Camilla vs. Meruem, it really depends on how her ability works. Can Meruem kill the cat? Can he dodge the cat's paws? If so, how long does the cat remain in existence,? Can the cat even crush him (i.e. is the ability based on physical strength)?
3. We know for sure that Rihan wouldn't be able to do anything against Meruem, and the reason was given by Rihan himself: Predator is ineffective against simple Enhancement and Emission abilities (c.374), and Meruem is a hand-to-hand combatant. Rihan also added that it attacking Enhancers is even worse because it will target the ability user themselves, who can defend against it (c.388). Even forgetting the enormous power differential between the two characters, the way Predator works actually puts Rihan at a disadvantage against Meruem.
4. When it comes to Knov's Scream, we don't know for sure that the ability has no conditions other than getting the opponent inside Knov's aura. It is possible, to be sure.
5. About Phinks, Ripper Cyclotron would be the only Enhancement ability to create aura from scratch, which feels rather unlikely. Gon's Rock increases his aura output, but doesn't let him pour the entirety of his aura into it or generate more aura. It feels fair to speculate that even Netero's Zero Hand was limited to the entirety of his remaining aura reserves. So, going by precedent, Ripper Cyclotron is presumably not limited by Phinks's maximum aura output, but by his aura reserves. It would still result in an extremely powerful punch, well above Rock even with a few rotations.
As for *abilities* that might actually defeat Meruem, I would offer Black Voice (if the antenna can even pierce Meruem's eyes, even assuming he's using Ten and not reacting at all) and, perhaps even above it, Instant Lover. We know that Manipulation abilities fail if the target is already being manipulated, but nothing has ever been said about a gap in aura. It hasn't been stated not to be the case, to be sure, but there may be hints that it would theoretically be possible (e.g. Shikaku).
Great write up!
@@qwery486 Thanks!
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You look like you know your shit so let me ask a Quick question :
If Netero's poor man's rose nearly killed Meruem (probably would have if his guards did not healed him) do you think Feitan Can kill meruem ? I mean the dude litterally spawned a sun so that sounds fair to me that he could beat meruem
@@fresh4106 In all likelihood, no. We informally refer to Feitan's attack as a sun (also because it's called "Rising Sun" lol), but it's "just" a big ball of fire(-like aura). Had it been a real sun, it would have incinerated the whole planet and burned the atmosphere, plus messing with gravity and spreading radiations all around, but its effect against Zazan was limited to only a relatively small portion of the palace. Granted, it was a "weak" one according to Feitan, but Meruem tanked the entirety of Netero's aura transmuted into searing light/fired as a beam and only suffered superficial wounds. So, while I think a dying Feitan's Rising Sun would have injured Meruem, I think it's extremely unlikely it would have wounded him signficantly.
Meruem: *Slaps Killua*
Meruem: Why do I hear Dark Souls Boss music?
Alluka/Nanika: I *pop*
Meruem: [gets popped like a zit]
The predator might not be easier to learn Meruem due to him having accelerated learning and with the right circumstances learn more nen and other abilities
I want hxh to continue for 2 main reasons. #1, I love it and I want to see more of it. #2, It'll allow NWR to make more amazing anime content
To be fair Meruem was only alive for 40 days because of the poison in the rose bomb that Netero used as a last resort, so if Meruem had been immune to poison like the Zoldycks or if Netero's bomb had not went off and released the poison, he would've survived much longer. So all those characters who needed more than 40 days to defeat them, probably could've gotten the time they needed and defeated Meruem.
What do you thing how much stronger he would get over time ?
The biggest thing Liam gets wrong is why Pariston is more likely than the other zodiacs is what he talked about 1 minute before that tangent. It's not about raw power its about weird abilities and Parison is clearly more likely to have a goofy hax ability than too be a brute force. Besides that spot on video as always.
Let's not forget Netero says due to his age, his nen power is half or even a little less than half
Let's not forget, meruem did not fight netero to kill, did not use nen, only 40 days old, inexperience compared to the veteran netero. Prime to prime I'd still put my $$$ on the ant king. Badass-ness I'd go with netero, he know he would die in that battle but still gives the middle finger to the king.
If half of netero's strength barely scratches meruem I doubt him in his prime would make much of a difference
So you're saying Prime Netero gives Meruem a slightly duller ache?
That’s kinda false. At the start of the arc he stated himself to be about half because he is out of shape. By the king fight he is probably close to up to normal strength after the training and prep
half and still cant put a scratch on meruem, nah netero will still lose ( he still needs the bomb)
The last one doesn't necessarily make sense. If his arm rotations have diminishing returns, it could be that there is a logarithmic relationship where there is a defined upper limit to his output. Each time he rotated it would get stronger but with an ever decreasing amount that will approach that upper limit but will never reach it. So even if he rotated an infinite amount of times, it would never actually reach that upper limit, just infinitely close to it.
What if someone made a wish to Alluka to kill Camilla would her nen ability activate and kill Alluka?
that's actually super interesting, I guess if it's not specified in the wish maybe or maybe it'll just kill the nanika part, a lot of ways it can go
@@prostatus7190 Wouldn't that fulfill the purpose of Killua's mission though? I thought his goal at the end of HxH in the anime (I haven't read the manga after the reveal of the Dark Continent by Ging) was to essentially help Alluka get rid of Nanika for good?
@@Doommaster677 No. Killua learned to love both Alluka and Nanika. So, Killua would never want to see Nanika harmed. There was a moment that in which Killua wanted to remove Nanika. But, when he saw how much attached Alluka was to Nanika, Killua changed his mind.
I don’t think this can be answered
@@manuelmenchaca4912 Probably not, I think Nanika can just eat up the nen beast thing that gives Camilla that power or whatever. Nanika's powers have been depicted as absolute so far, I don't think anything in the current human world should be able to do anything to her, maybe something in the dark continent?
Imagine how powerful those ants would have gotten if they lived longer, it is scary to think about
What about some manipulator abilitys that, when active, can command Meruem to kill himself?
This is assuming they are able to hit them, and pierce his shell
@@NeoBoneGirl who says thats the only way to activate the ability?
Honestly, that's a bit of a blindspot. So far, we haven't seen any limits on controlling creatures stronger than you - but we also haven't really seen it attempted.
For all we know, it could be a Bleach scenario where Reiatsu crushes Reiatsu, with Meruem's sheer life force allowing him to be practically uncontrollable.
@@atenbobi no, because hxh power system is tiers above bleach and other anime
@@goldcobraarima9819 But the thing is, does Nen naturally defend against other aura, or does it have to be specialized to do so?
If it can, Meruem would probably be immune to everyone shown thus far.
If you punch someone with a fist of aura, the opponents aura will block it. My question - with no answer, is that can specialized abilities (not the type) be blocked with basic aura, or does it have to be excorcism-flavored?
Nen can counter nen, but can basic nen counter abilities is the question. We don't really know.
Say Killua fires a lightning bolt. Using aura to defend yourself almost certainly helps - but does using aura help you against Illumi?
There's probably a way to make killing the king with Alluka with much less risk. Just make Komugi fail Alluka's four simplest tasks. She'll die alongside Meruem.
"Hey Meruem can you babysit this child real quick"
"Give me your duodenum"
@@taterthepenguin Meruem uses Tail Whip. It's super effective!
@@astamanista9447 only speculation at this point but I'd guess even if Alluka died before the request was fulfilled, the request itself still has the lethal implication behind it.
Or just make a wish to teleport Mereum into space. It technically is a simple request, so it wouldn't have too many consequences.
Re: post rose meruem vs Camilla. Given the rose's effects, and depending on the battle length, is it possible Camilla would end up dying twice? First from a direct kill from meruem and then exposure to the poison. A cruel thought.
You’re a monster for showing off the most tearing scene and making me wanna cry in the end
"Wish granting is the most powerful ability in the series, especially when wielded by a certain Killua."
Which is why I disliked the Nanika arc quite a bit, since the fact that Killua bypasses the rules of Nanika's power pretty much could have made any other threat pointless.
@@inoerinoblu6521 if you look at both wiki and episodes, Killua ends up having basically no restrictions.
@@inoerinoblu6521 killua can wish without any restrictions because nanika loves him
Exactly but I'm guessing it's just for content
Exactly but I'm guessing it's just for content
@@SavyYTshorts not sure I get what you mean.
I’d really like to see a video on who you think the best nen users are from each of their own respective categories like who’s the best transmuter, the best enhancer, the best conjurer, etc
Finally new hxh content, creativity 100
Rihan actually said his ability wasnt very good against enhancers because they can typically just overpower the predator. Meruem definitely has the power to go on par with other enhancers
I think phinks generates aura like an actual cyclotron generates elecrticity. His shoulder rotations are actually an aura production source
Haha i knew Knov would be here. I instantly thought about him as one of the characters that could beat him. That's probably why they made him have a mental breakdown, to avoid his OP ability
Dang I thought Liam was gonna bash CBR lol
I feel like if meruem was trapped in the pocket dimension. His simple urge to escape said pocket dimension, and his massive talent would create a nen ability to escape the pocket dimension
Amazing video, always going into depth with the abilities :)
Ayyy 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
First person I’ve seen out respect on knov/his abilities
It's unquestionably an op ability but has some limits that prevent it from competing with the top tiers, getting a fatal hit requires a certain setup that is hard to get with a faster opponent for instance.
@@laurenkirby97 that’s true but it’s one of the few abilities where the primary function isn’t actually combat...it can just be used for combat in some specific situations...and you can see this because knov is most definitely not a combatant (IMO) and was the only person to break down at the thought of having to fight a royal guard
Nobody: here's my HxH video
Liam: imma stop you right there...
Hear me out: Knuckle’s ability plus any one shot punch kind of ability do kill Meruem if you hit him with Knuckle’s ability and then successfully hide.
About Phinks's Hatsu, my opinion is this:
He cannot exceed his maximum aura output - simply because he can't use more aura than he has.
However, the Ripper Cyclotron, having a condition and limitation, serves to enhance the efficiency at which his aura is used to deliver the attack. The more times he rotates his arm, the more aura is pooled into it AND the more destructive it becomes. Not just because of more aura, but because the same amount of aura becomes more destructive due to the limitation.
So in short, if compared to Uvogin's or Gon's approach, while their destructive power would scale linearly compared to how much aura they pool into their fist, Phinks's destructive power would probably scale quadratically.
What if, this is dumb af but, what if he expends and regenerates the aura put into the rotations? lol
as in -1 aura per rotation but also +1 aura every second.
@@Jay9966 if that was somehow doable, he could obliterate anything. Ever.
@@casteanpreswyn7528 If I ever chose a character to have the ability to do so it would be Phinks
I think that the system of nen conditions is theoretically infinite. As long as the condition is strong enough, someone could probably increase their maximum aura capacity indefinitely. But I don’t know if Phinks’ condition is restrictive enough to increase his aura capacity.
@@sirwatermelon2141 But generally, if your nen power has a strong effect, it will also have a strong restriction. Like Chrollo's book thing and Kurapika's chain jail, extremely broken but also incredibly restrictive.
Another manga ability that I would bring up for consideration is 9th prince Halkenburg's arrow. It's said that it can pierce through any and all defenses, so it could definitely hit Meruem. The problem is that we don't really know whether it kills the target or just suppresses their soul/consciousness, but if it's the former, it could definitely work.
4:28 Assuming the king couldn't easily overpower the cat...
Yes post death Nen is many times more powerful but what is many times more powerful of a weak Nen users when compared to the King? And if its the resurrected King... I don't see him struggling at all.
Actually I don't think even the Royal guards would struggle to overpower the cat...
2:25
Sort of off topic, but, can we talk about the fact that not only does Alluka love Killua..Nanika is fond of him as well. Thats terrifying and Killua is built different.
Komugi could also beat him, i mean she can beat him through gungi, and Meruem tore his own arm off in one game, so like she could beat him, in a way
sorta like King beating Saitama .. right?
I'm shocked that Basho wasn't mentioned. He's a buffoon, but I think it's pretty clear he has the second best chance of taking out Meruem directly after Aluca. He'd have to write a fantastic poem, but it's much more likely than the other possibilities.
I was thinking the same thing. But, as for his poem writing, I imagine he could have a huge armory of poems that do various useful things that he could just whip out whenever he needed, killing Meruem in one fiery punch included lol.
@@branden_bravo I adore that his go-to option is to 'put fire with _______'. Only Togashi-Sensei would give such a ludicrous power to a character that's basically incapable of using it in any mode but the tutorial.
There was a comment i agree with, that tagashi mentally screwed know over, bcaue he realized that h wa capable of deeating meruem, especially with invisible chamelion.
I think the fact that we always had a way to kill Meromen and all the chimeran ants is why they are only a B on the threat level
my theory for the last guy the rotations can only go as far as his physical body can handle. maybe at some point he rotates and builds up so much energy if he punched it out hed disintegrate
The theory about gon may be strong enough to go toe to toe with mereum, gets even more complicated in the anime , when netero while being asked if he can fight pitou during the time she was on the tower, netero responded that she is stronger or has a stronger nen than him (his answer wasnt that clear since he simply said that pitou is stronger). So in theory with gon beating pitou it could mean that gon is stronger than netero, so gon would had a better fight with mereum.
Netero is wayyy stronger than pitou, he was just being humble
@@wojack8272 way stronger just isn't true. Toe to toe Netero could maybe best Pitou if he put everything on the line (zero hand), but he definitely wouldn't come out of it unscathed. Pitou was even smiling during their fight which shows she didn't have much concern.
Gon only beat Pitou cuz of the nen pact. The actual adult gon (when gon naturally becomes an adult) won’t be as strong as the nen pact adult gon unless gon also undergoes the same type training Netero went to surpass his power limit
@@jeevalshivanegowda9280 My guy, if you don't know the correct answer to something, don't comment. If you actually read the manga or read anything Togashi said you'll know that all Gon's nen pact did is fast forward him to an age in which his nen would be the strongest, so If he didn't make the pact he would still become that strong.
@@demetter7936 my guy, I’ve already read the manga, watched the anime, and went through a bunch of HxH discussions on major platforms like Reddit and disqus. Maybe next time link a proof or something which states that nen adult gon power we saw is how Gon will actually be when he becomes an adult.
Why is nobody talking about 8:25 “it’s a long shot. A looonggg shot” bruh I’m wheezing someone get my inhaler 😭🤣🤣🤣
I don't see how Phinks is "by far the most unlikely of the 5 characters to actually succeed" when Knov is on the list. The draft plan of using Meleoron to sneak up on Meruem should work as well for Phinks as it would for Knov.
Great list, nonetheless, love the videos!
6:09 Hold up... you're telling me that Zeno's father is Garou from OPM
Yes
Knuckle's ability is super underrated. There are obvious problems, such as how long it would take to drain all of Meruem's Nen as well as the possibility that even without Nen he would still be physically strong enough to win, but given how it was use against Youpi I think Knuckle would have a fighting chance as long as he could get in one hit.
Exactly what I was thinking. He could probably do it with meleoron’s gods accomplice and knov. Just walk up to mereum, punch him, and jump in a portal. Then you just wait.
@@kingovenV can't jump in a portal... he has to be nearby for the counter to tic. something that even Youpi noticed.
@@jonathanblair5920 o dang, I must’ve forgotten
@@kingovenV don't feel bad, i've watched hxh 2 or 3 times now and i still find new things everytime xD
@@jonathanblair5920 he can jump to portal for meleoron to take a breath, then back with him to stay close to king...
I have a question about Killua: Why did he not learn Nen from his own family. You could clearly see they are powerfull nen Users. And at what age would you think they would have taught him about Nen ? Would he be Stronger or weaker ?
Well Wing explained that using too much nen at a young age limits your future potential. Its possible that they just wanted to make Killua reach his physical peak first, before teaching him nen
it's a plot hole in my opinion. How does Killua have zero idea what Nen is but instantly recognized his grandpa's dragon dive technique? they haven't seen each other in a while.
Nen was obviously not something that Togashi planned, and its very obvious that he didnt have it in mind during the Hunter exam arc. Theres a bunch of plot holes proving this, its a really common trope in a lot of shonen, especially long running shonen, due to enemies always having to power scale.
@@nhojleahcim47 He didn't know what nen was but he's seen his family's techniques. Yes he recognizes them but it doesn't mean he knows what it is.
@@AKDcrew being the inquisitive child that he was, he would have asked his grandpa to teach him somehow, but as you can see in the heavens arena arc. he was completely clueless of Nen. It's a plothole but it's fine. Shonen is riddled with these. it does not diminish HxH in any way.
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I always thought Phink's wind-ups became more and more difficult to do after each one, like a spring toy
Knuckle + Meleoron might also be able to beat the king, using the tactics they we're supposed to use for the royal guards. It's gonna take a while before bankruptcy happens, but it is possible given enough time.
The whole proximity thing might be solved by adding knov to the mix. Could possibly just replace Meleoron with knov as well.
if knov is into the mix, there is no need for knuckle.
But isn’t meruem also very strong physically, they still need to kill him to win
@@A2Z2 it won't be too difficult to kill him if he doesn't have nen. Knuckle + Meleoron can probably kill him when he doesn't have any nen anymore. It's the same thing with the royal guards I think.
@@brickstonesonn9276 Neteros zero hand barely damaged Meruem, what makes you think Knuckle and Meleoron could kill Meruem?
@@lexoll. knuckle can take away the king's nen.
Meruem couldn’t hold a candle against Cheetu.
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Ripper Cyclotron probably acts as an aura multiplier: namely it takes whatever amount of aura Phinks puts into it and multiplies it by the number of windings with there being a limit to the amount he can put in to be multiplied. I assume it's similar to Knuckle's Hakoware, Hakoware takes the amount Knuckle puts into his initial punch and multiplies it every 10 seconds by the interest rate with there presumably being a limit to the amount Knuckle can loan on a single punch
It's different though because the interest is actually taken from the enemy, it multiplies by taking whatever is in the enemy, so the limit is the enemy's max aura. If Phinks' aura is multiplied, where does the increase in aura come from?
@@weribus3569 so Hakoware works like a virus basically. Knuckle injects an initial loan quantity of aura into his opponent which will grow according to the interest rate. His opponent's presumably cannot use the loaned aura for their Hatsu and the aura Knuckle can load into a single punch is also presumably limited, he can't just go loaning out 99% of his aura limit. Hakoware then multiplies the aura loaned inside the opponent until the loan exceeds the opponent's maximum aura at which point it causes them to go Aura Bankrupt for a Month.
I compared this to Phinks Ripper Cyclotron because the idea is the same; Phinks puts a little aura into his fist, then the act of cranking his arm multiples the aura in his fist by a certain amount each crank.
Both techniques involve investing a little aura then doing certain things to multiply that initial investment for a purpose, either waiting and avoiding getting hit in the case of Hakoware (since enemies can pay back Knuckle's loan by hitting him), or cranking your arm in Phink's case.
The pay off and ceiling of the two techniques is different since Knuckle aims to multiply his aura to exceed his opponent's total amount making the target's max aura the maximum amount he can multiply his to but this number can be whatever the opponent's maximum is, like it would have still worked on Youpi if given enough time. Phinks we don't know how much he can multiply his aura using Ripper Cyclotron however I'm guessing he has an upper limit after which he'll start to do damage to his own arm from the intense aura he's channeling though it.