Jonas Vingegaard on Bottle Duties for GC Leader Kuss? Vuelta a Espana 2023 Stage 12
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2023
- Lanterne Rouge presents highlights of Vuelta a Espana 2023 Stage 12.
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people forget because it was so long ago but in his prime jonas was a decent rider
Hey, I'm old enough to remember July 2023.
@@samj1185 Them parents setting up youtube accounts for toddlers.
😂
Haahha😂😂😂😂. That was great lol
This self-reinvention as a steadfast gregario seems to have given him a new lease of life - great to see
Amazing to see vinge do bottle duty, TJV have crazy strong riders but they look even scarier because they work so well as a team.
No egos getting in the way at Jumbo.
Mad respect for Jumbo Visma and their riders. Professional and pure class.
Yeah, this is also why I cheer for them. I'm usually not a fan of dominant teams, but I love watching their team tactics and they way they don't let their egos get in the way (let's be honest, they all have big egos - it's hard to win at that level without some ego).
@@chavonuevo They've definitely taken on this philosophy from Sky/Ineos, like Froome, Bernal & Thomas would always say - "it doesn't matter who wins so long as it's one of us"
@@SamHockingthat was just not their philosophy
Oliveira accelerating smoothly and enabling Molano to keep the wheel into that final bend was a joy to watch. He smashed it.
The speed Groves had even after dropping his chain was damn impressive
It was indeed. Re the chain, looked to me like his right shoe unclipped as a result of the near collision with Van Poppel who was suddenly where he wanted to be. He just said it was a 'mechanical' afterwards but riders always say that.
Ahh AusCycling and developing sprinters. Name a better duo.
@@Gallywomackthats exactly it, unclipped as he moved his bike left to avoid touching wheels.
Hey man, just want to say thank you for your amazing analysis. It’s really insightful for people like me who haven’t raced and are newer to following bike racing.
Jonas, Primoz, Sepp all of these big hitters are humble and they never forget they are there because of the support they have to each other to reach this top rankings. Its team work and humility i suppose.😊
After the race Vingegaard was asked by danish TV2 about the bottle duty. He firstly joked and said he was degraded. Then he replied that he didnt got any sound in his radio for 30 min. As he went back to get the radio fixed, he might as well get some bottles. In other interviews he has stated that he love to help his teammates.
#gckuss more real than ever
the part im most impressed about is not only your content in general but the focus to pronounce the names in their original way, that jonas vingegaard was spot on. (almost :D) 1:26
As always parrick transforming boring la vuelta transition stages into interest ones. Best 8 minutes of my day
Oliveira was absolutely phenomenal in that sprint. Not many lead-outs able to create that big a speed differential in that short a distance. Maybe it's just my own ignorance and many people already knew he was amazing, but I had no idea he was even close to that level
He and his brother are a product of the recent investment Portugal is doing in track cycling. They have been collecting a couple of good results in "Fondo" track races in the last two years.
Obviously UAE is also part of this because that's with whom they train the majority of the time
@@palmajm5333 I knew that stuff, but there's a big gap between "track guy with decent results" and "world class leadout". He looked very much like the latter today.
@@ColinGLogan Just because they won today doesn't make him world class. It only means he was better today than the guy he just beat.
World class means beating van der Poel to the corner there at the Tour de France.
But he only beat Ghys and Planckaert, nobody's idea of world class.
@@andrasszabo1570 His performance today was world class level. Those guys are obviously lower tier, but he utterly annihilated them in the exact way MvdP or Van Poppel would - what matters is not just who he beat, but how much he beat them by.
Is he actually a world class leadout based on that? No, of course not - it's one stage. But today shows his peak level is top quality, which surprised me a great deal. We will have to wait and see if he can repeat it.
And he finished 9th in the ITT, I believe
Kuss drinks watered down champagne during the race to keep it sensible.
It will be epic if Jumbo Visma wins all three Grand Tours this year and each with a different rider.
If you're a Jumbo fan, check out the Tour of Britain.😁
It would be a disaster for the sport.
@@Fecontiflex97why would it be a disaster for the sport? I actually think it's pretty awesome
It should be motivation for Ineos to get their act together, and for UAE to see where they can improve to get up to Jumbo's level.
@@omi1279 Is it awesome for the fans of all the other teams?
Vingegaard got bottles be-kuss he was thirsty
oh, come on man!
@@cjohanning10 kuss off
Does wine come with that cheese?
Chapeau
Funny….but actually he was down by the car to get his radio fixed…
Grande Rui, impressionante o teu trabalho sempre e hoje chegou a recompensa!
In other news, Jumbo Visma so far won all 5 stages in the Tour of Britain. First 4 stages Olav Kooij sprint with lead out by Van Aert. Today Van Aert final kilometer solo win. What an insanely dominant team.
Well, to be fair, it is not taking much this year to dominate the Tour of Britain. TJV might have dominated if they had just sent WVA.
The team is dominant because they currently hold the red jersey in the Vuelta, already won 2 stages in the Vuelta, and simultaneously win all 5 stages so far in the Tour of Britain, and have won the Tour de France, Giro d'Italia, Vuelta a Burgos incl 3 stages, Dauphiné incl 4 stages, Tirreno-Adriatico incl 3 stages, E3 classic, Gent Wevelgem classic, Omloop, Kuurne-Bxl-Kuurne, and so on and so on. Completely insane.
@@Dieterdde They are sponsor hunting, Jumbo is out at the latest end of 2024. It will have to be a monster deal after this season.
@@Dieterdde u are sick fan i am tired of people like u
GC Leader Kuss has a really good ring to it to be honest :)
It really is Sepptember :)
@@pablothecloudmannow that’s good 👍
Sepp baby Sepp baby 1,2,3.
Vingegaards radio malfunctioned. He hadn't gotten anything through in half an hour, so he went back to his car to get it fixed and took some bottles with him, as they all do in those circumstances. So he wasn't picking up bottles as his main thing there... 🙂
I'll be he did so w/ a smile too.
@@samj1185has he said something about race radio previously?
@@HkFinn83 I don't recall. I haven't hung tight w/ Jonas since he started winning so much.
@@samj1185 ok what is your ‘smile on his face’ comment about? What do you know he’s be smiling about
@@HkFinn83 Rather than ask if you're just being obtuse I'll assume you're not familiar w/ the same colloquialisms that I am. 'with a smile on his face' means that he did a requested task w/o any hint of ego fueled complaining. he simply helped out because he's a good teammate. If you require explanation beyond that...I can't help you.
Vingegaard is brilliant if he totes bottles for complaining. Kuss got through the ITT, and they are heading into his kind of terrain and climbs he knows. Vingegaard is being a team player if he does domestique duty. If Vingegaard wants the team to happily him, supporting Kuss now is smart. I would, if I were Vingegaard, to try and not use all my energy, in case Kuss and Roglic lose time, but ....
If TJV is smart, Kuss rides the wheels of Soler and Evanepoel, and Roglic or Vingegaard tries to attack. The Wolfpack would need to cover, and that takes energy. And we know TJV knows how to do this, because that is how Vingegaard won the 2022 TdF.
He was down by the car anyway, changing his radio that had stopped working. It's customary to bring bottels back if you're down by the car anyway, no matter who you are.
Molano has impressed this season. He’s always had the potential to win sprints and we’ve seen it this year.
Was really happy he got it after being really close on Stage 3 and slightly caught out by how far the line extended around the last corner.
He could have been a little heartbroken by now.
Even though UAE is not my favorite team I was so damn excited about that lead out and win by Molano 🇨🇴 💪🏽💪🏽🔥🔥
Rui Olivera absolutely crushing it - speed & positioning.
Patrick, your commentary does for cycling education what Daniel Naroditsky's does for chess education. Thank you ❤
Don't clown Daniel Naroditsky like that.
Great analysis on the sprint tactics. Also hype for GC Kuss!
Beautiful work LR 👍👌👌👌
ElPozo getting some good exposure haha...I even realised that Juan Carlos Ferrero (Alcaraz's coach) has their logo on his shirt at the US Open! Never heard of the company before, so...I guess sponsoring races really does work!
Sepp Kuss 🇺🇸 I'm looking for a huge stage from you tonight bro! Get er done!
"The Eagle of Durango." That has a nice ring to it. Heh.
That’s the beauty of Jumbo and why they are the best team in the world, team work is the dream work, the team is bigger than the racers
Nice one, thank you.
I still think vingegaard is jumbo's main leader and they are still setting the stage for him to win the gc. Doing things like this doesnt mean necessarily that they are discarding vingegaard for the gc and it didnt cause him any disadvantage. It can actually even be strategic by jumbo to fool the other teams who might sleep on vingegaard. Tomorrow might be the day we see their strategy unfold. Looking forward to it!
I'm surprised if they don't try to run with Kuss for as long as he can hang. Which may well be all the way. On current form, It will take effort out of anyone to distance him. And if anyone should still be able to, JV still have two proven aces up their sleeve. They're in a sweet position right now. With no need to rock the boat, unless someone else manages to rock it first.
As weird as it sounds, Vingo is currently the super-domestique (the Kuss role) and Roglic is the 2nd card to be played. Kuss is the leader in RED.
why do you think that? Jonas seems weak after already having his one peak during the tour, he'll drop out of GC tomorrow or the day after
@@bene4577 Why do you think that? Imagine underestimating Jonas already, you never know whether and when he can find his form. How quickly they forget.
@@bene4577 Some of you are literally so hateful that it's very funny, Pogacar fan😂.
He said on danish tv that his radio was broken so he drove back to the car and took some bottles back with him again
Sounds dangerous.
We know. He says this in the video. Try watching the video prior to posting.
Jonas said in a interview he had a problem with his radio so he went back to the car to fix it and while he was there he grabbed bottles. Still a nice thought
lets go Kuss and Jumbo. Make the history
Jonas has just not recovered from the Tour which is understandable, if Sepp holds the lead after tomorrow I would say he will win this Vuelta. Anglru is steeper than tomorrow 's final climb but not by much. I think based on the climb distances and finishing over 2100 meters tomorrow is harder than the Angliru stage.
Not really. Angliru most say is harder b c up down, climbers say can’t get a rhythm so many pure climbers say it’s the hardest climb in all of cycling
What contador says….
FACT: Jonas radio was broken, so he went to the car to get it fixed, and brought back some water... Its just practical ;) He said that in an interview right after the stage.
"The Eagle of Durango". In reference to "The Eagle of Toledo" Federico Bahamontes who passed away recently.
Was amazing to see UAE pounce out of nowhere. Wasted opportunity for Groves, they got caught completely off guard, regardless of a chain or foot slip
We have 3 jumbo riders stronger than Remco in high mtns
We have multiple summit finishes still.
I wonder: we have 3 jumbo riders coming in 1,2,3 holding hands a la 86 Hinault and Lemond on l’alpe
How do you know you have 3 jumbo riders stronger than Remco in the high mountains? We'll see if that's true at the end of today's stage, but given the last 10 days, I would say there isn't much difference between them.
@@l.d.t.6327 you are right. I don’t know. I cd be wrong. He may surprise me.
But I don’t think so. We will see, soon
@@paulsolon6229The anticipation is sky-high ;-)
@@l.d.t.6327 hmmmm
Rogla preparing to bite Remco on the ass.
I love it "the eagle from Durango"
Perfect timing and leadout by Oliveira
Molano wins! Looking forward for
Tomorrow has Vingegaard better legs!?
Don't believe in Remco 😜❤️🔝
It would make a lot sense for Jumbo-Visma to have three different riders winning the Giro, Tour, and Vuelta.
This highlights the team and, by extension, the sponsor over a single exceptional rider.
Plus: While I doubt lead sponsor Visma has much of a US presence: All the team's equipment sponsors, not to mention cycling in general, benefit massively from extra attention in the huge, but very on-off, US market. And Kuss is Mr. Likeable to boot. No way a Vuelta win by him, won't sell kit in America.
Track power lead out … awesome!
Dude I had the same thought- you guys think you’re gonna sit on Philipson’s wheel and then come around him at the line lol.
UAE sittin back just a little and a well timed big smash of speed combined with the fact that no one else really challenged at JP’s train and yeah, train not nearly fast enough and JP gets boxed, panics and unclips as a result…still gets 2nd!
Dude, their sprinter here at the Vuelta is Groves, not Philipsen
Whoops heh CG NOT JP🤣
CG not = JP
i hope that Evenepoel can do something and finish with the red jersey but if its not him...GC Kuss baby...
Roglic & Vingo one - twoing Remco tomorrow on the Spandelles just like TDF 2022. Kuss calmly following Remco's wheel (like G did to Pog)
Big Remco cracks on the Tourmalet.
He said to danish tv that his radio was off. So he was with his ds to fix that
he is a rouleur now, alongside dylan van baarle
yeah @@LanterneRougeCycling
@@LanterneRougeCycling Never heared of that lad Vingegaard, but if he keeps up the good work he might one day take Sepps place and ride for GC himself
Vingegaard is going to win la vuelta regardless of what you say Lanterne, he has saved all his strength to stages 13-14 and 17 🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰
@@jimmyknuth8816 i cringe at people that rule for a rider just because of same nationality 😖biggest npc behavior
Rewatch the overhead again, UAE totally chops the wheel of the Alpecin lead out causing them to stop pedaling and thus killing their momentum, if there was a chain drop, that sudden stop of pedaling probably caused it.
I see nobody finds this problematic. At the same time I am pretty sure if this caused a crash, everybody would find it problematic.
Fortunately it was not too hot and that meant the GC guys had it easier before tomorrow.
I can't be the only one that jumped as Roglic came out of the sprint and narrowly avoided the rider coming past him.
Like, you're favourite for GC Primoz. Stay entertaining but stay safe.
I heard Yawn Us Winger Guard and Road Glitch😂😂😂😂 *died laughing*
A nice piece of PR by Vingegaar I would suggest...done for the cameras
My boys 🥺 Absolute chad behavior
My guess. Remco will not wait to get dragged in to the TJV game they pulled on Pogi at the TDF of 2022. Remco will launch a nuclear attack. All or nothing. Either he succeeds or fails miserable. Can Sepp, Primoz and Jonas follow? The last 2 stages Remco conserved energy, by not attacking. He trained specifically for the Friday and Saturday stages. Hmm. TJV better watch out. Maybe Remco talked to other team's??? Anyway it's going to be very exciting.
I was thinking the same thing, but... Boy were we wrong 🤣
Interesting comment that Jonas has been relegated to water boy!
I think we are forgetting this is also a team sport.
Respect to Jonas to collect and bring water to his teammates.
Go Jumbo Visma 🇩🇰🇺🇸🇸🇮
He was down by the car anyway, changing his radio that had stopped working. It's customary to bring bottels back if you're down by the car anyway, no matter who you are.
@@darkiee69 must have missed that detail 👍
Poor Marc Soler. Second in GC and everyone is just pretending he’s not in the race. It’s GC Kuss. Jonas. Promoz. Remco. Even UAE is Almeida and Ayuso.
Jonas stated in a danish interview that he went back to the team var to fix his radio, and therefore brought water back to the team.
We know. He says so in the video. Try watching the video before commenting.
at around 4:20, the 2nd pink jersey guy is elbowing the guy to his right. any context why?
I didn't notice it watching the stage, but you can see the Alpecin leadout man cursing losing the stage win just after 200m. As good as Ganna and Molano have been when they challenged him without textbook leadouts it was a matter of time before someone beat Groves.
The Alpecin leadout (Robbe Ghys) knew exactly what to do (getting Groves out of that curve first with enough speed), but he said his legs blew up and he knew, the moment UAE overtook him with speed and almost clipped his front wheel, that he messed up the lead-out. He is a DNS today as he has saddle sores (and that's why his legs were tired today), and will get surgery next Monday.
@@l.d.t.6327 Ouch. Good info. That sounds like must be absolutely gutting. Has he been the last leadout man for Groves on his wins? Surely that's a wrench in the works.
gc king kuss 👑 🙌
It's wind turbines
Loving the ronaldo reference
Live watchalong for tomorrow?
Remco will likely drop Sepp on the Tournalet so Roglic needs to start getting time on Remco
I'll take that bet !
I don't think Sepp will get dropped (at least not by Remco), and if Remco wants to prevent Roglic waking up and starting to gain time on Remco, the best thing Remco can do is make this stage into a borefest with no time gaps at all.
This aged well
You got your next video suggestions popping up a little too early and blocking the view of the names in the GC leaderboard.
Jonas knows gc kuss is real
It’s odd, it almost looks like Groves accidentally unclipped when avoiding getting chopped versus a chain drop.
I think he clipped out BECAUSE of the chain skip/drop.
Imagine a 1,2,3 jumbo on vuelta
Like a Gewiss 1, 2, 3 in Fleche Wallonne. That was superexciting and the reason people like cycling.
Getting a lot easier to image 😂
I think it’ll do the team stars some good having to ride for someone else
"Estoy aburrido" or "estoy confundido"? Is he bored, or confused?
Thing is Jonas is not an individualist and a star like Remco or Tadej or Wout, he is a TJV soldier and does what they require from him. I kind of prefer the former, but that’s just me
that wasn't intended bottle duty, just Sepp stealing some of Vingo's aero fairings.
win-gegou 🍼- his great great great uncle in france 👨🎨
Sorry, but can we talk about the finish sprint today but at the tour of Britain??? What was that???????
Yes! Please give us an analysis video of that, that was phenomenal.
Well, we now have a GC leader!
@@icollectstories5702with a huge time gap
Seeing the first couple of stages I had already thought to myself that with WVA doing such a fast leadout for so long it would just take on one of the stages Kooij letting his wheel go and Wout would win the stage and gain time on GC. Something like this was bound to happen imo
Kaden Groves need to learn the Philipsen "Borderline" Deviation Technique
Get better godbless
So no one's gonna talk about Roglic stealing time on his teammate?😁😁😁
Why do you think that, he stole it from Remco. If Kuss is their leader as you are hinting at it doesn’t matter what the distance between them is if this is the case.
@@triariuss If Kuss loses by 1 second, this was it. Maybe Kuss gets knocked off the podium by his teammate.
Yes, I know that won't happen. But there's still time for a lot to happen.
Without the dropped chain that could have been close. Shame
God damn you’re a funny bugger… “how quickly they forget” 🙏🙏🙏
Can u imagine a prime Lance, Wiggins or Froome doing this? LOL!
Froome would crash
@@alaefarmestatesllc Lance would be bringing the syringes up.
@@markdwelchforcongress4456 eye for an eye. No one is clean at the top. Froome was on everything and an inhaler. Image if lance could’ve put on oxygen bottle on his bike.
So why do the all leave their helmets on during the interviews?
Looking at the level of these sprints, shouldn't Soudal Quickstep have sent Jakobsen to the Vuelta? Even without any support and leadout, surely he should be able to win these sprint stages "with the fingers in the nose" , no? Missed opportunity for that team. I guess hindsight is 20/20.
He cant go past the mountains without a team to look after him
That would have been a star move, sending Jakobsen (who has to be shepherded in mountain stages in order not to finish OTL) after not sending Merlier because the whole team is dedicated to Evenepoel. Applications for sports director at SQS are open, go for it!
@@l.d.t.6327 So far the mountain stages have been digestible enough for Jakobsen or Merlier to pass without major help. They could have exited the Vuelta after today as now we hit the serious mountain stages with the Tourmalet, that I agree. It is undeniable that the tier of sprinting so far is way below TdF and for sure some victories have been left on the table by some teams (especially SOQ).
For a whole team dedicated to Remco, it is sad to see only Cattaneo able to help a bit during mountain stages after Vervaeke does his bit in the earlier part. Remco is going to be isolated during the hardest parts of the Vuelta, against 3 Jumbos and 3 UAE riders. Crazy.
@@Dieterdde Why would you bring Jakobsen for 3-4 sprints, without a lead-out, and have him in your team time trial as a burden rather than an asset? And if you didn't watch, Hirt and especially Serry have done tons of work. Ofcourse that wasn't enough to e.g. keep the breakaway with Kuss at a short(er) leash, but at least they worked hard and having Jakobsen in the team wouldn't have helped anything. Jakobsen is moving teams anyway, and he's not the guy who can digest two GTs one after another easily. But I'm not going to try and convince you anymore that bringing Jakobsen is about the worst possible idea. Especially as if they would have brought a sprinter, it would have been Merlier.
@@l.d.t.6327 I'm indifferent to Jakobsen or Merlier, whoever is above the current tier of sprinting @Vuelta, is my point. Tim might have been the better choice since he didn't do TdF.
Could we not envision any alternative scenario where SOQ takes a few sprint victories in this Vuelta, without impacting their hopes for overall GC win ? Imo SOQ is not maximizing their winning potential.
No need for the insults, I don't need to apply for sports director to be able to criticise something. Just like one doesn't need to be a chef to be able to criticise food. We can easily agree to disagree without that kind of rhetoric.
I hope Remco is very good and can take considerable time on his opponents today! I'm Belgian and rooting for him. But if Sepp wins, that would also be amazing for him.
I think Molano was very happy
TEAM JV!
Robbie Ghys??
Yeah also noticed where did that i come from?
I think Dainese is the fastest in this peloton
groves unclipped on accident during sprint
UAE from 10th wheel...Take your shoes of mate and keep counting. They started that sprint lead out from 20th wheel at 400 meters to go! SHOCK AND AWWWW BABY!
I think Rui Oliveira would speak in portuguese
Why?
Why is it always the sprinters who get very mad when they don't win a stage. Every sprint stage there is at least one who throws a fist on their handlebar
Maybe because of adrenalin.
Maybe because the train to win? Maybe because the don’t like losing? Maybe because the feel like they let the team down? Maybe because they are humans with emotions?
@alaefarmestatesllc chill.
I wondered, why it's always the sprinters who do this. It's way more common among sprinters than other types of riders. Gc guys also have
Im fairly certain, that gc guys train as well. If I had to guess, I would say that they don't like losing and don't want to let the team down too.
One could argue that they aren't human and have no emotions, but I'm so sure about that.
So instead of getting mad, you could drink some tea and think why it's so common among sprinters, just like stinetrans7120 did.
Because they ride for six hours, yet everything is won or lost in a fraction of a second. It's the entire Tourmalet condensed into a single mistimed shift or suboptimal leadout. And "someone else" has morediregct influence on them.
GC and breakaway riders would all have broken wrists, if they kept beating their handlebar, for the duration of part the race when they realise they are performing subpar.
To even be a top sprinter, you also need a certain maximum-turned-on personality. They're mentally, as well as physically, explosive.
@@fritzwalter1112 maybe because gc guys accept the loss from farther out? A lot of the time. Where as in sprinting, ur giving it ur all right up until the line so no time to accept ur loss while sprinting? So the emotions come out right at the line where they accept their fate? I don’t see sprinters celebrating with their arms up while crossing the line. Why did he guys do it?
Me when LR doesn't say "Bonies" --> :(
Jonas’s wife is going to be mad
I think Jonas is just taking a small break, so he's doing the easy stuff for now. He cant win everything 🤷♂️
"GC Kuss" :)
Every time this podcast speaks about Vingo… they speak with a bit of hurt…. Perhaps I heard a little a bit of biased…. I don’t know
Do you have an example for that?
@@vaibhavsharma2700 A lot of cycling fans have a natural urge to prefer riders who star in 1 day races, because 'casuals' tend to go more by grand tour classifications.
Sepp Kuss being an exception, since he pretty much only rides in grand tours these days and is still adored by cycling fans.
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Remco will win by 1:30 tomorrow
I'll take that bet.
Lol
@@markdwelchforcongress4456 bro won that buy a whole shop
Some iind of Remciww fanboy xperiezza! I quit :*
They didn’t “quickly forgot about winning the tour de france” it’s simply how the race has played out. He can’t be the leader just because he is a tour winner.
@@vaibhavsharma2700Can he really demand it if two team mates are in front of him in the gc?
@@Knofris I could be wrong but some of it can be contractual right? I don't see him doing it, but maybe with the contract Jonas has he's able to demand help for GC, but frankly I feel like he came here to help Primoz rather than go for GC himself, but then publicly stating he's a co-leader to keep other teams on their toes.
@@pablothecloudman You are just speculating here, no one knows what is in his contract, so we can’t even talk about that. All I’m saying is, he has two team mates who are CURRENTLY (the other guy missed that point entirely) better ranked and so he can’t really expect them to work for him if they are (again: currently) better placed.
@@vaibhavsharma2700 You just didn’t understand my comment. Also, it wasn’t just one day, he was never the best of the three so far. My point is, you seemed to have problems understanding that, that he CURRENTLY has two team mates who SEEM to be in better shape and therefore can’t really demand them to work for him if he can’t show results. And two minutes are actually a lot.
@@vaibhavsharma2700 Also, how do you know if nobody has been ruled out yet, if (as you say) the important stages are yet to come? People like you are speculating too much, like the other guy talking about what’s in Jonas contract.