A Near Perfect Finale | Shogun 1x10 Reaction & Review | FX, Hulu & Disney+
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"Let your hands be the last ones to hold her." is also a callback to what Mariko says to Fuji in the first episode, when she comes for her baby. ;)
The scene where Blackthorne and Fuji spread the ashes was filmed in the same Vancouver bay where James Clavell's family spread his ashes.
Why did they burn him? Why not feed him to a school of fish?
Do you remember when Yabushige said the exact same line to Omi before?
"Why teach the future to dead people?"
In the first episode, the two discussed whether to report to Toranaga about the weapons from the shipwreck brought from overseas.
At the last minute, Yabushige realized that Toranaga knew about it.
“Why tell a dead man the future?"
Then they smiled back at each other 😀
In this drama, the same lines are uttered by different characters, such as Mariko-sama and Fuji-sama's line, ``In the end, let's hold you in ○○'s hands and do ○○,'' and the refrain expresses deep feelings, giving viewers a deep impression. It's inspiring.
it's also interesting in the line
“no translater“
KIKU taught her assistant
“you see where the flask is no longer.
presence is felt the most keenly absence.“
DEEP
"nice call back" They literally stated they remember with that statement. #facepalm
"Why tell a dead man the future?" basically confirming to Yabushige that Toranaga knew everything going on around him and that he wanted to be Shogun. When Yabushige smiled and Toranaga smirked back seconds before he was killed, it acknowledged he guessed what the plan was. For the entire series Yabushige has wanted to know what Toranaga had planned but was kept in the dark until the very end, moments before he died.
From Episode 3
Yabushige "One of these days I'd like to know your plan before it happens"
Toranaga "I'll keep it in mind"
Everything you said is true, although I think there was a second meaning to that smile: Toranaga was holding back the killing stroke for several extra seconds, and Yabushige was thankful for the chance to savor his pain. Toragana was respecting his vassal's bizarre fixation.
Fun fact from the official podcast: That is the same bay that James Clavell's ashes was scattered.
It was a finale that didnt abandon what the show has been about from the beginning to chase some big cool as fuck battle sequence.
I was torn by the end because it's so hard to be on Toranaga's side because of all of the deaths and sacrifices in his name that hurt and feel like you dont know if its necessary, that theres not another way. Meanwhile even though you understand Yabushige deserves his death and hes a shit person you kind of don't want to see him die either. He was just wanting to stay alive and his desperation to come out on the side that keeps him alive is what gets him killed.
But back to Toranaga, you realize that even though the death and sacrifice hurts and you dont know how to feel about him, he avoids full scale war and avoids way more unnecessary death than were committed in his name. But without these complicated characters and feelings this show isn't as good as it is. It was phenomenal.
Well, his plan lead to Japan in WWII...
The thing about Toranaga is he was the patient one. He took his time and let Ishido destroy the council and so provided him a way actually win. If the Heir had taken the field it would have made Toranaga’s fight illegitimate, and therefore he could have never won. By waiting, and delaying, he let the situation at Osaka ferment. Mariko did more with her one life than all of Toranaga’s army could have done.
「鳴かぬなら 殺してしまえ ホトトギス 織田信長」
「鳴かぬなら 鳴かせてみせよう ホトトギス 豊臣秀吉」(太閤:taikou)
「鳴かぬなら 鳴くまで待とう ホトトギス 徳川家康」(虎長:toranaga)
これは、「信長」、「秀吉」、「家康」の3人の戦国武将の性格を端的に表していると言われている有名な言葉です。
(^-^)
I absolutely adored this finale. It was beautiful and subtle and very moving. The perfect way to close out the series in my opinion
Where did you buy your low standards?
@@PROVOCATEURSK I don't have low standards. Perhaps you have read the book and disliked this adaptation? I haven't read the book.
If not, tell me what in this finale was below your standards? If you complain about the lack of a battle, I will completely disregard your opinion.
@@sVieira151 あなたに同意します。PROVOCATEURSKは虎長（家康）が第二次世界大戦を導くことになるといった戯言を書くような人間です。相手にしないほうがいい。
There will be no second season. The show ends where the book ended.
Hiroyuki Sanada said they can use real history for more seasons.
Only if the numbers are high.
So you're saying there is a chance?
Have not read Gia-jin, but that is the closest. Set couple hundred years later with the descendants of Toranaga.
@hawkthorn33 If they do a Season 2, pretty sure they(FX/Disney and producers) wouldn't get rid of these characters just yet.
If there will be a second season, it will be an original story or they will have to use Clavell's other books but those wouldn't involve the same cast reprising their roles.
今後、関ヶ原の戦い、大阪冬、夏の戦い、江戸幕府の構築、カトリックの追放、変わってオランダとの交易、島原の乱とスペクタルな展開が待っている。これで終わりではもったいない
"Let your hand be the last to hold one" is the phrase Mariko told Fuji when Fuji's baby was passed down to other men before seppuku. "Why tell a deam man the future" is the phrase Omi told Yabushige when they caputured Blackthorn's ship. OCHIBA means Fallin' Leaves in Japanese. Then you will know what Mariko's poem really meant to Toranaga. Muraji, a male spy translator was from Azuchi Prefecture where is the territory of Mariko's father. And Yabushige's actor, Tadanobu Asano has an American grandfather who was born in MN.
I totally agree.
Some stories don’t need big fighting scenes at the end.
Shogun is definitely one of them.
Thank you.
In the book Toronaga says "I need a friend" rather than "He makes me laugh" but I guess dogs are friends too.
No battle in the book! No Battle in the original miniseries! In the original Fuji dies but in the miniseries Fuji changes her mind and stays with John!
The book and the 1980 miniseries finished at the same point in the story
Such a shame, some people have no respect for their audience.
It's also interesting to think of Torunaga letting the falcon go free as his own personal way to "let go" of Mariko. If you rewatch episode 1, what he says about the falcon in his introduction scene is him essentially revealing/foreshadowing Mariko's story.
The flash forward doesnt happen, it's just a dream/potential future Blackthorne envisioned but ultimately decided to let go when he decided to commit sepukku.
Personally, I preferred this placement of the attempted seppuku over where it is in the book, it feels more earned. In the book it’s way earlier and in protest of the villagers being punished if he is not sufficiently fluent in Japanese, different vibe.
i think the flash forward was poorly exicuted and just unnecessarily. It killed the suspens of the almost seppuku for me as i was thinking that we already know he survies and grows old in england. The sinking of Marikos cross then reveled the "flash forward" as a dream, but again, while seeing the flalhforward i didnt realize that it was marikos cross. The amont of people and reactors who thought till the end blackthorn dies in england is not supprising to me.
@@Scharrer23 it only killed suspense for you because you lack media literacy
@@Scharrer23 I'm sorry it did for you, though it worked perfectly for me. Loved the finale and the show overall.
@@suddenimpulse030 lol i beg to differ. Shogun was not a Buffy like series where it was to be expected to see imagenary dream szenes^^
Mariko was Crimson Sky! 😢 she did more than an army could achieve
Sun Tzu's: The Art of War, lays out the truth of Toranaga's tactics. The best general is not one who wins 100 victories in 100 battles, it's the one who wins without fighting at all. Toranaga could have tried to cut a bloody swathe across the country. He could have had Blackthorne sink the Black Ship and bombard the ports and fortresses of every town. He could have done what we all (including Blackthorn) expected him to do in order to win, but instead he crushed the enemy alliance by playing innocent and sending one woman in to undermine their unity.
Yup. Rather than sacrificing hundreds of enemies and his own people, he sacrificed 3 people very close too him. His son, Hiromatsu, and Mariko each death (sacrifice) played a pivotal role in ensuring victory with the least amount of lives lost. All 3 would most likely still have died at some point had he chosen to directly go to war as his generals wanted him to.
Toranaga- master of the trolly problem
A few hundred kings, dictators and emperors do not agree with this.
When Torunaga let that bird go and said 'go bear many daughters' it was kinda like him saying goodbye to Mariko who was very useful to him but also symbolic cos she never 'hunted' before until Torunaga invited her to one and she marvelled at the 'steel bird' in a way its like he's releasing her from her duty and is mourning in his own way.
I love the use of poems in this show to reveal a person's inner heart/secret heart. Mariko's words are always lauded as unbeatable and in her poem Ochiba asked her son how he would continue it. The Heir's words show his innocence - he sees the possibilities of fruits and flowers. But Ochiba ocntinues with the Wind. When Toranaga talks with Yabu about commandingthe wind you realise that she's speaking of him and that is when she reveals her secret alliance with him. I guess that the poem Mariko wrote and her continuation was what she wrote to Toranaga and is enough to state her intent of their alliance, given that he spoke the poem Mariko said to him and he wept in his own silent way. Yabu's poem was also simple, short and to the point. He wants to be useful even in death in so far as he can try to fight but if he loses (relevant to John's first words to Toranaga) then he is simply meat for hungry dogs.
In John's seppuku he speaks the words Mariko said in her last breath, showing that he not only learns language fast but also that he has taken her lesson to heart - Life and Death are the same and both can be used as weapons and not useless at all. John can make Toranaga do what he wants but either way, he gets to die and join Mariko in death. He contemplated that future - dying old and alone clutching unto the memories but decided 'fuck it'
In that whole scene, we know later that it was Toranaga who burnt his ship understanding that Mariko bargained for his life. And yet Toranga insisted on punishing the village to test John and his resolve. He claimed he had given up his war when the very reason he is alive is cos his witty response to Toranaga amused him so much he kept him around. And yet he is willing to give up his life for this small petty reason as the village same to how Toranaga found his depression around the gardeners death petty and small - John calls the whole religious war with the Portugeuse 'small' contrasting ep 2 where Toranaga's conflict with the regents seemed small in comparison to this new larger global threat John revealed to them about the Spanish-Portuguese treaty.
In the scene where John and Fuji sat together, you can see the lessons that Kuki the courtesan taught in the WIllow World - the empty space beside John framing him and Fuji as they sit is highlighting that the empty space is an absence that can be seen and felt, t he absence of Mariko in their lives.
I love the scene Omi takes his gun and sword - mirroring the conflict in early episode down to Fuji behind him but this time they're both so broken by their losses and trials there's no other for fighting anymore - which is a mirror to the entire conflict as a whole: to fight without fighting, to win before the war even starts. Toranaga won before they fought at Sekigahara.
Also the poetry of just Yabu almost dying on a cliff to being executed on a cliff. Mariko's words that Fuji used to say 'let your hands be the last to hold her'
I'm Japanese.
If you are going to explain such lengthy please do not mistakenly call TORANAGA with Toranaga,
@@user-up4gb6jt3d what's the difference between TORANAGA and Toranaga besides it being in all caps?
@@user-up4gb6jt3dI'm Czech.
If you are going to whine about a typo, please do not compose your own comment of grammar nonsense you silly little man.
Something that I almost missed when I was watching this episode...during a scene where Blackthorne is playing through a lot of audio cues/memories on screen he hears some of the dialogue from that opening scene which to me means that he was just imagining that scene. This is only added to by the fact that at the beginning he had Mariko's cross as an old man, but we see him drop the cross in the water.
The official podcast confirmed this, when he said fck it , he's giving up his potential future.
最後に虎長の左手にネックレスが握られています。これは捨てたはずのネックレスなのか。。
@@kkkennnttti yes, that's why the future he saw dies with that act. It also fits with the episode title, 'a dream of a dream'. そう、だから彼の見た未来はその行為によって滅ぶのだ。エピソードタイトルの「夢の中の夢」にもぴったりです。hope google translate got that right :)
@@richardd5645 and of course it flew by their heads
@@kkkennnttti 誰かのコメントで鷹を繋付いてた紐みたいだとありました。
They wanted to drag the hull of the Erasmus out of the bay because the ship could only be burned to the keel, and since gunpowder was used to sink it, its more likely that it breached the hull and it simply sunk straight down. The ship is certainly in rough shape but if the plan is to replicate a European style Galleon (Which was a favourable opponent to Portuguese Carracks, which were the design of the Black Ships) they could reverse-engineer from the wreck and build something that could compete with the Christian lords allies and defeat them at sea. With Blackthorne's input (as a successful raider of Spanish and Portuguese bases and ships) Toranaga had everything he needed to enforce the naval blockade he'd need to properly defeat in detail the Christian lords after he'd reclaimed his Shogun position.
That is pure speculation and nonsense, it´s not in the book or in the tv show, how dare you. /s
IIRC in the book, Blackthorn mentions that during his apprenticeship to become a pilot he was trained in shipbuilding (which was a particular quirk of his master), and knows enough to build an English war ship himself (given access to the resources and labor). But the less you have to build the better, and as you note most of it should still be whole. Most importantly, if the masts survived, salvaging them would be very high priority as the right sort of trees were not easy to find.
Without Yabashuge getting Mariko killed the whole plan would have failed, so he didnt "fuck everything up", Crimson Sky required she died in Osaka for Ochiba to switch sides, he never wanted or meant to kill her, they never told him the plan that she went there to die, Torinaga had turned her desire of a wasteful death into something useful at least. They both put Yabishuge in this position to get this outcome as they knew how it would play out better than him.
Mariko is the fallen flower and Yabashuge was the wind.
Speaking of the scene in order. The shot the show in order. So that last scene with Mariko was the last she shot. The first scene of Toranaga riding into Osaka was the first he shot.
While I think this show should get all the Emmys, (even ones it would not qualify for like best musical) I think the math works out to 13 max.
I really liked the moment whenn Toranaga said ''Why tell a dead man the future'' it was a reference to what Yabushige said about Toranaga to Omi in the early episodes, which could only mean Omi was working for Taoranaga from the start. Amazing short reference.
So glad I got to see this show, so sad it's over.
“Live by the cliff die by the cliff”
Yabushige
You have a talent for poetry!😂
There are a lot of great documentaries and reenactments of the Battle of Sekigahara, so if you want to see what happens next check one of those out. I did, just to finish the story in my head.
I think the repeated seppeku was necessary to get the western audience to understand the Hiramatsu scene and then Mariko attempting it.
Without the .. maybe 3 before it, we wouldnt think they’d actually go through with it- same with John trying it in the finale
Funny thing is that there is a movie called Sekigahara that focus on the fight, and Takahiro Hiro who plays Ishido in Shogun plays Ishido top general Sakon in the movie. Also the old Toda Hiromatsu actor plays an advisor to the council of regents in the first act. The movie is all in Japanese and is on DVD so it should be able to stream as well ... Sekigahara ... The movie.
There is no chance of a Shogun Season 2.
It ends exactly the same as how the book did. Show's phenomenal doesn't need a season 2.
Raise your standards.
「オーガは、彼が足元に花を押しつぶした瞬間に、彼の貴重な葉のない枝を失いました。結局のところ、姉妹」
“The Ogre lost his precious Leafless Branch the moment he crushed the Flower underfoot; sisters in the end, after all” For the first time in the entire series, Ochiba sama looks directly to Ishido while talking to him; in all other episodes, she glances at him but looks away. That was the most subtle, passive-aggressive death stare I have seen on screen to date.🫣
Yabushige and Toranaga smirking at each other in the end was awesome, too. Yabushige got the best end he could have gotten, considering all he has done: realizing that whether he knew it or not, he has served his Lord Toranaga excellently. And maybe, just maybe, lightening the burden in his conscience a bit, afterall: a future Toranaga victory will never come to pass if Mariko did not die INSIDE of Osaka. Goodbye to our favourite sociopath.
Blackthorne kills a possible future version of himself-an old man, filled with regret, clutching on to Mariko’s crucifix-by mirroring Mariko (literally doing a ritual su!c!d3 like a woman [a blade through the heart] instead of seppuku [slicing his belly open] like a samurai would) in order to protect Ajiro: the first completely selfless thing he has done in the show; and also by letting that exact same crucifix go into the water along with the ashes of Fuji-sama’s family. And to think he did all those things mostly as an act of kindness to Fuji-sama… she deserves the best. 🥹🥹
"I forcced fate to gaze upon me so that I can pluck its eyes out"
-Ochiba no Kata
Also, the fact that Anjin used the word 詰まらない【つまらない】 (tsumaranai) when he said “my war is small” can also be translated to “my wars are petty/trivial/silly/worthless” in reference to his ambitions and designs for England and his war against the Catholics. That was him letting go of his personal ambitions for something greater.
The entire show was one giant setup for Toranaga-sama to be in a position to win the final battle. The broad strokes were revealed, but the details of the plan (Including the last few political manoeuvres to finally flip the Lords and Regeats whose opinion of Ishido have soured; who flipped and who stayed loyal to who) and how the battle ensued are still hidden.
So who is ready for a “new/separate” mini-series, titled “Sekigahara”?
Ohhh, and what was Toranaga holding in his left hand just before it cut to the title card?
Thank y’all for doing this show. I wouldn’t have watched it otherwise and it was truly a masterpiece
Cool tidbit: The lake where they shot the scene for when Blackthorne takes Fuji to spread her husband & son's ashes is the same lake that Shogun author James Clavell had his ashes spread in.
You guys might find the 2008 movie _Okuribito_ (English title 'Departures') interesting. It was the highest-grossing movie in Japan that year and won Film of the Year, then was the Japanese submission to the Oscars, where it won Best Foreign Picture. It's about a cellist who loses his job and must return to his home village, where the only job he can find is apprenticing as a _nōkanshi_ , or Shinto ritual mortician. Because of social taboos concerning people who handle the dead, despite the necessity, he experiences prejudice from his wife and friends when they find out what he's been trying to hide. Initially embarrassed, he comes to find satisfaction in the beauty of the ritual and the comfort it brings to families of the deceased. It's really a lovely experience to watch.
I enjoyed every reaction you made about this beautiful show, you're a beatiful duo, I wish you the best.
You know it’s a good episode when it can actually get tears out Claroos
Toranaga was never really THE good guy. But he was what the realm needed. Same as historical Tokugawa Ieyasu he was based on.
It lead to Japan in WWII, so it failed miserably.
@@PROVOCATEURSK You do realize that his shogunate gave Japan peace and stability for 250+ years right? WWII happened like 70 years AFTER the dissolution of the Tokugawa shogunate.
Toranaga's chief motivation for sure was to become Shogun. But at least in the books it's been hinted that he firmly believed in the greater good. You have to understand prior to the Taiko, Japan was constantly at war with various busho's doing various mini wars. The normal people were always the ones that paid the price while the nobles fought for more lands. So call it hubris, or vanity but Toranaga firmly believed that not only could he establish a strong shogunate but actually considered himself smart enough to govern it so it had a lasting peace. History showed that Tokugawa (Toranaga's real life char) was right and the Tokugawa shogunate lasted 260 years after his battle at Sekigahara. Just like Octavian Ceasar ushered a golden age for Rome, Tokugawa did the same for Japan.
This isn't to say he didn't sacrifice a great deal of people in order to achieve his goals. But I do believe he was a firm believer of this Machiavellian approach, unlike various rivals who either wanted the tile for street cred, or were just not competent enough to have a lasting shogunate.
I think in this latest version he also had a genuine desire for a united, peaceful Japan free from foreign control. We can't really take Yabushige's judgement on him as the definitive take on his character. After all, Yabushige occasionally boils people alive, so his outlook is a bit warped. I think Toranaga's entire arc throughout the series should be the way we judge him. Sanada himself said Toranaga initially didn't want to be Shogun, but circumstances changed his outlook. ( Although who can honestly say what the real life Tokugawa felt ). He probably believed only he was capable of achieving the desired outcome. Ishido would probably get overthrown by the Christian reagents & Japan would become a puppet of the Portugese and Catholics.
合戦が描かれ石堂が敗北した様を見て得られるカタルシスよりも、何度でも見返す価値あるエピローグでした。
The Tokugaawa Shogunate was hardly a golden age. It started strong and the expulsion of foreigners was probably the right move, but then it resulted in Japan being horribly backwards a couple hundred years later when they got set in their ways. Plus numerous famines due to the population boom yet no foreign trade or innovation.
I just found it funny that Yabushige mixed up his death poem with his will. There may have been some tribial brain dabblage from that blast.
Excellent show. One of the best I've ever seen. 9.5/10. My favorite characters
1. Mariko
2. Yabushige
3. Fuji
I was one of the first to see your General's reaction video. First your wife? was beautiful, like the character she presents as a princess on a parade car at Disneyland in Japan (are you in the entertainment business?).
This time I cried with her when I saw them having a funeral on the boat. It was a beautiful scene.
My name is Mariko, the same as Mariko in the play, and when she said "Akechi Mariko" before she died in the explosion, I had a strange feeling like I was ready to die the same way (lol).
I thought Hiroyuki Sanada was better in the role of "Twilight Samurai" than in the role of the Shogun. He is better suited to the role of a good person. That said, his performance as the Shogun was also excellent.
The Japanese Ieyasu Tokugawa (Toranaga Yoshii) is ridiculed as a raccoon dog (an animal that bewitches people in Japanese lore). Still, he did a great job of making Japan a peaceful world for 250 years and allowing both culture and population to flourish.
ブラックソーンが虎長の武士道を理解しているか試されているシーン
ちょっとね、ちょっと…
日本語がかわいかった💜
真面目にみている皆さんごめんなさい😊
よかった、侍になったな〜と思った。
そして、イギリスに連れて行ってと命乞いしてみたり、遺言の内容が明らかになった藪重、最後まで笑顔をもらいました😂
字幕の多いこのドラマを海外の多くの視聴者が固唾をのみ集中して鑑賞してくれていた事に驚いています。
私は10話の最終回まで観終わり今でも余韻が覚めません。1話〜9話までの人々の行動や言動が10話に変化しているのが興味深かったです。安針を嫌っていた文太郎までもが変化していて胸を打たれました。
15.
I have watched at least 15 reactions to this episode and your post-episode analysis of the cliff talk and the boat scene were by far the best content of any of them.
Well done you two- always a pleasure.
The writers said a second season is still a possibility.
They also said it was unlikely
I guess it's an artistic choice, but I would not have expected so much laughter while reacting to this.
The actual hero-martyr here is Lady Mariko. Blackthorn is just a red herring used by Toronaga to confuse his enemies.
What an amazimg series! Watchinh this and replaying Shogun 2: Total War was a cool experience.
The elegant victory is defeating your opponent using their own strategy. The ending is the show defeating the viewer’s strategy. We expect a bloodbath, battle, etc. Then the show reveals its secret heart and shows the elegance of Toranaga’s grand strategy. It reminds me of how Joker subverted the audience, not just making us identify with Fleck, but also being slowly drawing us into his reality. We stared at our reflection, and we didn’t notice that we had stopped looking at the mirror and stepped into it.
As others have said, there won't be a second season of Shogun. The first season encapsulated the entire book and given the reverence the show clearly has for the book, I doubt they would try to do something on their own. There are several other books in the series (The Asian Saga) but this is the only one that deals with Japan in this time period. So they definitely have material to go on with if they want. But this is the end of Blackthorne and Toranaga's story. Although he does get a brief apocryphal mention in the book Noble House by a possible distant Japanese relative. Also, Nerdy, that shirt is an absolute banger.
1600年頃、日本国には500,000 guns があり、全欧州よりも多かった。 全て made in JAPAN だ。ポルトガルが植民地を断念した理由だ。
このドラマは絵画のようだ
最終話はその絵画の額縁に隠れた
余白をほんのりと感じさせてくれました
いわゆる、侘び寂びの境地です
Must watch tv start to finish imo
in real life, some of Blackthorne's men actually became samurais. i would live to see a spinoff series focused on them becoming samurai warriors.
Blackthorne built a better ship designed for war and he named it "The Lady" in honor of Mariko.
The war happened in Sekigahara in the book.
Great series. Thanks for sharing your reaction videos with us.
Perfect! 10/10
Bros talking so much he missed half the episode 😂😂
Torunaga was playing 5D chess, Ishido was playing checkers.
Kashigi Yabushige really wanted that Kakihara death 😂😂 if you don't know Tadanobu Asano played kakihara in ichi the killer.
"I will chose Japan over you" Holy shit !!!!!!!!!!
I can't believe you say that....
I think we only see toranaga swing a sword twice. When he was twelve and in the last episode. Taking heads.
@11:45 If the school of angry fish includes ill-tempered sea bass, he should meet his end tout de suite.
I think they could definitely make a season 2 if they wanted.
its more ore less based on the life of william adams and tokugawa leyasu, it would make an awesome series.
What was that you were saying about callbacks? 😊😢
Torunaga’s mastermind skills make Palpatine look like a goof
someone hasn't watched the clone wars tv series
@@suddenimpulse030 I did and all the movies. His supervillain plans were created an Empire that lasted for 24 years; Torunaga (Tokugawa) created one that lasted for about 260 years.
It took them 11 years to write and make this. There is no season 2. This is the story.
i know we all were looking forward to a battle scene but throughout the whole show toranaga wanted to avoid war as much as possible. it reminds me when he told his son why are those eager to go to war, never the ones who were in it.
That is a nice shirt, where ys get that?
Unfortunately, there won't be another season. Maybe it's for the best.
This show has always been ambivalent about Toranaga. E.g. it was Toranaga who told Mariko the reason for marrying her off to Buntaro, not her father. There was no proof that was her father's intention. It could be as well just because her father had simply loved her so much and wanted her to survive. Her survival for a purpose suddenly is quite strange when she had wanted to die for 14 years and Toranaga never intervened to protect his "Crimson Sky" from commiting suicide.
On the other hand, we don't know that Toranaga never intervened. For all we know, it could be Toranaga who drove Father Martin Alvito to Mariko. That said, wanting to die for 14 long years might make it more secure that she would not back down once she's on her way to death.
With all the eyes and ears Toranaga had, he should know what was between Mariko and Blackthorne, especially when she was such an important part of his plan. It took a lot for him not to kill Blackthorne. As any Asian child would know, if you're your parent's favourite and they don't want to admit it, it's because you're silly and make them "laugh". That way, nobody can accuse them of laughing and smiling only when you're around.
笑う所が我々とは違う。
Many people give a lot of flak on the Shang Chi few CGI battle. I think once when you lock the son and father in a mortal combat, it's really hard to come out of it. The appearance of a common enemy most probable is an easy solution. The problem I see is the lack of emotional highlights in the final battle. To me, there are 4 points particularly lacking (SPOILER ALERT):
1. When Shang Chi's aunt met his father, how did she feel? Did she blame him for her sister's death?
2. What is the internal struggle Wenwu had when he sent his son to the bottom of the lake? Did he think that his wife would forgive him after she was released?
3. How Wenwu felt when the creature he saved was not his wife but a monster?
4. How Shang Chi and his sister felt when they looked back onto their father's body?
Ngl, I would love to see a show of Yabushige and Blackthorne exploring England (without a translator of course) :D
It was in this reaction i find out shes on of. After watching since covid. Not my thing but hey go get that money girl
Correction: It wasn't near perfect...It was perfect.
Damn, this is a heckin' educational comment section!
Y’all missed more this episode than all the rest combined. Tough finish.
Please watch/react to the original miniseries. I would love to see your take on it.
Your Illuminati shirt is 🔥
No season 2. The writers said the book ended where they ended the show.
Wow, so no story can´t be continued, ever? What is this backwards thinking?
@@PROVOCATEURSK It's called knowing when to quit to preserve the quality of a story, instead of letting in turn into shit that has run too long and too thin.
This is how the book ends. There are no plans for a season 2 as far as I know.
But, there's a chance. Here's an excerpt from an interview. Source is linked below
*Here’s the inevitable season two question. Is it going to happen?*
*MARKS* I don’t know. I keep saying it’s like we want to let everyone be on the same page when it comes to the book. And hopefully now the TV audience and the book audience are on the same page with what the story is and where it resolves. I think if we had a story, if we could find a story, we would be open to it. But I don’t think that anyone ever wants to be out over their skis without a roadmap and everything. And it’s also just about, do people want more of it?
*Yes. The answer is yes.*
*MARKS* But it’s also about, not even topping the book, but, how do you even equal the roadmap that Clavell laid out? And I don’t know if it’s possible. I don’t know if Clavell could have done it either. That’s probably why he moved on to other books too, right? He knew what he had done. Yeah, it’s a tough one.
www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/shogun-finale-season-two-1235878683/
Sanada explicitly said no though.
@@lucasbelmonte2832 Which article did he say that. That is not the case at all. In the variety interview he said he would come back if the exec producers and writers could do a sufficiently quality story.
所々 小バカにする様なリアクションが日本人の持つ感性とは大きく違うのが良く分かる。
Shogun for Book club?
No season 2
Clarus so pretty
「わたくしの戦、つまらぬ戦（My war…small war）」――The religious wars for the sake of genocide and the feud between the Portuguese + Jesuits, who trade slaves in Asia, and the British navigators, are really ridiculous. Tokugawa Ieyasu won the Battle of Sekigahara and became shogun, establishing the Tokugawa shogunate and establishing an era without war for more than 260 years.
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Wow. Y’all missed too much to enjoy it properly. Watch it again.
1.How is Mariko in one piece.2
When they showed him as a old man in beginning i knew he wouldn't kill himself then he toss crucifix in water i realized that was a dream he wanted. Excellent acting I really felt his pain of losing marko
react on hi nanna trailer or movie pls
Hands down worst e10 reaction...great job laughing through Father Alvito's heartbreaking reveal.
I loved this show but hated that we never saw his actual war, only what could be a war. Where is Toranaga/Tokugawa’s conquering, takeover, and unification of Japan and the start of the Shōgunate and Edo Period?
The show ends where the book ends.
@@lucasbelmonte2832 And then 424 years of IRL history that this was inspired by.
@@samfisher6606 But the show was an adaptation of the book not real life history.
@@lucasbelmonte2832 So? There are so many series that go beyond their source material. Plus, Shōgun has a sequel book set in the 19th century.
@@samfisher6606 Exactly, the 19th century 200 years later. If they wanted to make a series about that fine, but not as a sequel to shogun. Also shows going off of their source material rarely if ever works, just look at game of thrones and Rings of power, games of thrones ran out of source material and tried to go on its own and failed spectacularly and rings of power decided to ignore the source material and ended up a mass garbage pile, going off or ignoring source material never goes well. Also this is something people need to learn to stop doing, let a show end at a high note rather then force new seasons that gradually get worse and worse, walking dead and many other top tier shows fell victim to this.
The story is half finished, they need to continue it.
Episode 10 sucked ass. All season, they kept saying there would be war, but what we got was Tarrnaga sitting on a rock, doing future narration of the war. Badly done.
Blame the book then.
Lol he prevented war with just 1 trick, stop being so American
@@alexgram1276 Did you not hear about WWII? The Japs literally started it.
I had to stop at the 9-minute mark. Your husband is a jerk. Is he really watching Sho-Gun? This is one of the best series every product for tv and he is making it a comedy. Bye.
I agree. Watching the other reaction videos, why are the people talking, questioning, or saying what they think is going on while watching the episode and getting it wrong. Comments should be made after watching the full length and giving your opinion based on what you just saw. To put it simply, it's like somebody is in the back seat of you in the theater talking to their friend of what they're watching, talk about irritating.
@@waynefujihara1903 Watch the show on your own. Why watch reaction content if NOT to hear their commentary?
@@waynefujihara1903 you're looking for a review, not a reaction then.
@@waynefujihara1903 thats not what reaction channels are you clown
Her husband is a jerk while she wears an OF shirt? Clown world!
Attack on titan is better
The main issue with Shogun 2024 is that it does not know when it should be a Thrones like and when to not, aka when being simple is much more effective than overcomplicating everything with intrigue and such aka characters playing the game of thrones. For example, Lady Ochibas sudden turning against the Ishida which btw did not happen either in the book or in real life inspiration. Makes very little sense, her basically getting rid of only person stopping Toranaga from one day usurping her son the heir. Just so that the on X and Instagram to have their "epic girl powa moment". Oh and in case ya defend this through her doing it because wanting to avenge Mariko, one, there would have been plenty of changes in the future for her to do so without endangering the future of her son, and two, don't ya think it is quite sexist to say that a "strong woman" which is what her portrayal has been all about, is controlled by her emotions?
35:00 exapt in this version of the story which is more focused on the Japanese side of thing unlike the older mini series or the source material itself, it makes much more sense to show the battle since so many characters on the Japanese side would have their arcs comes full circle, I bet that this is why they killed Hiromatsu and Nagakado whose arcs would have benefited the most, just so that they would have less reason to show the battle.