Driving my ELECTRIC CAR from The Lakes - Leeds COULD you do this for LESS in a PETROL or DIESEL CAR?
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- Driving my ELECTRIC CAR from The Lakes - Leeds COULD you do this JOURNEY for LESS in a PETROL or DIESEL CAR?
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It was brilliant to meet you at the charging stop, Lee! You got yourself a new subscriber! Thank you for the shoutout! It would be fantastic to reach the 1000 subscribers on our channel. We just filmed a range of new videos awaiting release (from EV, charging to battery insights) and hitting that milestone could motivate the team and me to release them more frequently (chapeau on the daily uploads). Might catch you at one of your upcoming charging stops and I would be delighted to host you in Munich! Stay charged, Simon
Your English is better than Lee’s haha
Very interesting chat between Lee and yourself Simon. I'm not and probably never will be sold on EV but good to here the views of someone with your knowledge.
Hey Simon! it was an absolute pleasure to meet you. Keep in touch. I will have to come over and visit Munich.
Hi Simon enjoyed your chat with Lee. I'm not an EV fan. However I found your opinions interesting and informative I will subscribe to your channel. Thankyou😁
It will be a long time before I am convinced that EBs are the future.
They can invent as many of fast charging, high capacity, cost effective batteries as they want. But where is all the electricity to charge them going to come from?
Ssssshhhhhh, you’ll ruin their little fairy story dream with talk like that. lol 😂
iceland ,norway , france ,denmark, holland , we dont produce any in britain
Powerstations.
@@stephenballantyne 😂I see Captain Obvious has entered the building. Let me rephrase the question... where is all the ENERGY going to come from?
@citizenpb wind, solar, hydroelectric, nuclear and a bit of gas as a backup for a while.
Last week, I drove down to Weston-Super-Mare and back to the Midlands, 220 miles total, on one tank of petrol that cost me £45. Car is saying that I still have another 120 miles left before I need to refuel again
Isnt that the whole truth.😳👍
220 miles one overnight charge £4 or even less if its solar topping the battery up.
Pro rata about £30. I just did a 280 mile trip and my overnight charge + 15min charge at an extortion fast charger still worked out @ less than £20
to fill up a 80kWh tank in 10minutes would need a 540kW station. To replace an average petrol station of 8 bowsers with 8 rechargers, would need 4GW drawn off the grid - at a peak of about 8 hours per day that's 32GWh .. as much as juice as 30,000 average home draws --- make sure you do a real environmental study of the impact of rolling that out everywhere
To add further context. A gigawatt is 1 billion watts or 1,000,000,000 watts. So a 4GW (10minute) EV filling station with all 8 chargers in use at once would be the same as 1.5 million houses all switching on their electric kettle at the same time for just 8 cars.😂
Who needs to put 80kWh into a car in 10 minutes?! Someone that wants to drive 650 miles (10 hours of driving) with only a 10 minute rest stop?
It would need 4MW not 4GW, you're a factor of 1000 out.
It's not just how much it costs to do the journey, but you also have to put a value on your time as well.
Agreed. The minimum amount for your time could be considered to be the minimum wage. Plus, don't forget about the tea/coffee etc. purchases would need to be added as well.
It is the time and frustration factor that the EVs must consider. I am way far worse than Lee and will kick the machines.
I have a self-charging petrol hybrid (Honda Civic) and came back from Lyme Regis to my home in North Somerset and averaged 68mpg, yes really, so the answer to your question is definitely yes, hybrids well self-charging ones and not the plug-in variety are the way to go the best of both worlds.
Out of all the cars in the pictures of the Porsche dealers open day, I think I’d definitely have the “TVR” 😂😂😂
It's not clean when the vast majority of the electricity used to charge an EV in the UK comes from a none renewable source such as a gas fired turbine.
All that's happening in the UK is we are shifting pollution over from a car exhaust to a power station chimney.
In 2020, 43% of UK power came from renewables....plus EVs are, as the German guy said, 90% efficient compared to 30% for ICE... so, less pollution overall.
Furthermore, how many are charged at home using solar panels?
For the year so far, fossil fuels have provided 32% of the UK's energy.
Yes, I could have done it cheaper in my small Toyota petrol car, and considerably quicker too. At the age of 87, what cost do you put on time, when you have not much to spare🤔
I think that you will find.
That it is less stressful and more economical to have a diesel or petrol engined vehicle.
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indirectly funding Saudi Arabia, whenever yer fill up, knocks that idea on the head.
I have just done 475 miles from Belgium to a destination in France. Left with a full tank, filled up at destination with a total of 63 euros, ( £54,00 ) for diesel. I would like to see an EV beat that. 🤗
A Tesla model S would easily if they charged at home on a cheap rate and perhaps once again at a tesla charger.
@@dps615 Does that include the tyrecwear and massive depreciation?
So 11.3p per mile? I've just returned from a trip from UK, down through France, Switzerland, Italy back up through Germany, Belgium.
2039 miles, £218 which is 10.70 per mile and that's my worst case scenario. The other 8000 miles for the rest of the year are between 2p to 4p per mile.
So yup, soundly beaten.
The diesel and petrol drivers go to places, all you do is drive between chargers so you lost already.
My Crv 1.6 Tech. £60 to fill tank 650 to 720 mile range depending on load ,conditions and traffic.
Yep,who wants to keep checking their next charge and how many people are ahead of you.Are the toilets shut,is there any coffee machines,does the card scan or do I need an app...the list goes on! Petrol/diesel, stop for a few minutes,fill tank,use garage facilities if wanted, drive on with radio playing fav songs 🥰
Couldn't be bothered waiting for a car to charge. Sucking the life right out of you. And imagine if we all had them?? It would be chaos.
Fascinating conversation with the German gentleman, . He's not wrong that electric cars will become future. Maybe not at the moment, but the progress in battery technology will only get better with time. And will become the better choice compared to ICE equivalent cars.
Plus of course an ICE will be less journey time.
When you take into account how much you've lost in depreciation, is it a serious question? 😁
Everyone has priority at petrol stations Lee 🤫❤. You like me are turning into Victor Meldrew. True story.
Sorry Lee but even if I had to pay twice as much,that hanging around is really doing my head in! So much time wasted...and do we really know if all this pushing people to drive EVs is going to make any difference to ,"saving the planet"! I am yet to be convinced.
It’s content for him that fills a lot of his RUclips videos that earns him a living and I don’t think it’s anything more than that !
@@knownpleasureswell that’s silly - he was obviously having to wait!
Planet doesn’t need saving
@@conspiracytheorist1092 only from humans.
@@conspiracytheorist1092 except from humans
Can't wait to watch that road trip to Benidorm with Geoff going to be epic 👍
Great video and glad you included the chat with the German guy. He was so pro EV's and adamant batteries are getting better. To all your haters,it would have been easy for you to not include the footage with Simon. 👍
Wouldn't have had to stop at all to refuel with my 900 mile range. My heart goes out to you, Mac.
Wow. 900 miles. What are you driving?
@@bendeleted9155 Something with a 900 mile range. 😁 I hope I’m not on the same bit of road after they have driven 899 miles without stopping, with the state of our roads that’s probably 15 hours+
Cost difference between ICE and EV per mile is irrelevant to me, however, time wasted charging is THE big issue. I'll be sticking with the total convenience of ICE for the rest of my driving years.
Remember to add in the 2 pounds per miles depreciation that you have had so far. I think Geoffs depreciation will be zero.
Probably less than zero as knowing Geoff he will sell it on after for a profit 😆
I got a rental Polestar at Gatwick in december. Free upgrade from the "economy" class corsa i booked. Totally great upgrade
One of the benefits of battery vehicles is this, your car is using battery tech that is available today, in 10 years if that battery in your car is done for the battery tech will be better, there is no justifiable reason for that car not to simply swap out that battery and put in a much better up to date new battery which may increase the range and speed of charge for that old car.
Which will mean in 10 years time that car could be running better than new if bought today.
The batteries could have better delivery of power, better charging capability, more stable and so on, so you wouldn't need to buy a new car just a new battery.
Assuming they still make parts for it, which will be a whole other issue.
Keswick to Leeds. £28 in petrol 3.0 litre Jaguar. 2 hours 50 minutes journey time. No stops or waiting.
Lee's and other RUclipsrs videos help me get me through my days.. thank you to him and the other RUclipsrs 🙏♥️
I have a dyson cordless vacuum ive bought dysons for at least 20 years but never again, ive had it for 3 years and battery has finally given up, £80 for a new battery or £86 for a brand new electric vax vacuum with much better suction , no contest, i say stick your battery power
Correct.Just thinking of all the battery driven items I have had over the years... initially things are ok but very soon all are discarded..
Cost: EV vs ICE. Cost comparison can lose a great deal of relevance when comparing dissimilar items, e.g. EV vs ICE - the “disregarded” time as a factor of the cost proves that because “time is money” (14:42). A purely empirical approach simplifies the cost comparison. The cost to produce the electricity vs the cost to produce the gasoline to move the EV or the ICE vehicle the same distance - again ignoring time. Electricity production uses significantly more infrastructure and processing stages. Energy density for batteries is 7-15 times less than that of gasoline/ diesel. Qualitatively, EVs lose on this cost calculation every single time. And regarding that thing we ignore - “time” is, oh by the way, priceless in that once expended it can’t be recovered. 🤨
The “genius” battery dude is a legend in his own mind. He has to speak highly and well of EVs and the batteries that power them. As he hopes for “advances in battery and charging technology”, he is ignoring the limitations of physics and chemistry. But I’m not surprised he would so highly esteem the future of EVs because, the future of EVs and batteries are directly related to his “future”. 🤨
One final tidbit of info. Recently I entered the market to purchase a zero-turn mower. Compared electric with gas -powered models. “Similar” capability models were compared and the battery-operated model $3,000 more. Its moving was slower and its mowing versatility (cutting heights, acreage, etc) were all inferior to the $3,000.00 less gasoline model. Researched the cost deference a bit and found the electric mower required six 10 amp-hour batteries to achieve similar mowing capacity of the gasoline mower. Each of those batteries retail for $600 each. A simple calculation means $3600 of the electric mower cost was in the batteries or $3600 of the $6000 price tag. Battery-powered cars and heavy duty outdoor equipment cost more (time and money), is functional inferior and cannot attain to the performance level of gas-powered comparatives, and does not make for a “more environmentally friendly” solution by the stretch of any imagination.
A horse is cheaper and more eco friendly to run than both
@@leer798 and if the priceless element of “time” is excluded, there are likely additional less costly modes of operation.
It is a good point at the start - destination charging is for sure the most inconvenient aspect of driving an EV
Don’t forget to add your drink sandwich and crisps to your total😉😉
Obviously it's cheaper to run a diesel mpg is always going to be better. But the government aren't getting there cut. We all know it's about screwing as much money as possible.
I did a run up to Colwyn from Telford and back in a 1.8 MGZT petrol put £35 in for 187 miles no time wasting stops no expensive coffee and I did it in a Red MG 😍😂
Ok…here goes….you made me do maths.
2020 Civic Type R GT. 320BHP 2litre turbo petrol.
Without too much thrashing and driving nicely as you seem to do I get 26.9-28.4 MPG. I’ll use 28mpg for easy maths.
46 litre tank 45 (10 gallon approx) useable as u never want to run it that close to dry.
£71 to fill the car (shell V-power @ 159ppl as that’s all I ever put in it) gives about 280 range so 121 miles to go would cost about 30.53 rounded to 31 quid for the 121 mile trip.
I also think my FK8 is a more fun driving experience overall and cost 36K brand new (I could not come close to buying a Taycan) and has only lost about 6K in over 3 years of having it. I have low mileage as it’s a bit of a toy but is my only car.
If you ever want a road trip challenge let me know. 😊
I did 240 miles last week in my Niro EV air con on, rural mainly but a little bit of motorway driving, luggage, dog and a passenger.
I used 66% of my battery and charging at home on OVO Charge Anytime cost me £2.57 for 36.8kw of electricity.
IF you can charge at home on a cheap rate it’s an absolute no brainer financially to have an EV.
If like I used to, you have to use public charging you’re looking at £31.28 for the same charge and you have to sit and wait for it to charge.
I have a 1.2 petrol Yeti, nothing really special although I love it. Last Monday I filled it for £70, and the range on the dash was just over 500 miles. From the Wirral, had a break in Anglesey, for a couple of days, back and forth to work, running around for shopping and family, today went for lunch in Taporley, then down to Nantwich, back to Chester and home. Still have 120 miles of range, and that wasn't hanging about, we had air con on, auto driving lights as it was dull today.... I also passed many, many petrol stations I didn't need to stop at but could have done. Why in the name of f@@k would I want a milk float?
Let's look at the claims of the battery guy 1 by 1 objectively:
* 130 for 5 days to rent Polestar 2 EV - £26 a day? -- where??
* He doesn’t own an EV. Do with that what you will.
* Says drove up past Cambridge to Lake District and charged once? - I mean that's a 4 hour drive, about 240 miles - quarter of a tank of diesel. On the motorway with heating or cooling on, these cars do around 180 miles when new 0-100% or around 125 miles using the more realistic 10-80%. Pain in the ass.
* 10% per year improvement, no… 2012 Model S and 2022 Model S have more or less the same battery. Biggest breakthrough cost? no, quotes for batteries are £14k for a repaired 60khw, not good, more for new. Prices if anything went up the past 4 years due to supply chain issues caused by COVID.
* Chinese vehicles are not THAT cheap, £30k heavily subsidised by Chinese government and huge tariffs coming in. America announced 100% tariffs so prices are doubling, we are expected to do 50-60%. Prices are going up not down.
* 1000 miles or km range in an EV? - both false. Elon said 1000km back in 2016, still no product and that requires 200kw or 1.5 tons in batteries alone.
* Mentioned LFP is cheaper and more stable. False, more expensive (as it's 30-50% heavier), less stable in the sense that you don’t know the charge level, you need to frequently discharge it (weekly at least) or it can’t show range which leads to premature failures. Also super slow to charge in winter (2 hours is common). Also provides a lot less power and energy density. When you take out cobalt, a key component in lithium ion batteries, turns out you make a much worse battery.
* You could get a lot of range today? Well maybe but the weight of the vehicle you’d need a trucker's driving license… and it will be very expensive.
* 10 minute charging was 20-70%, it’s not good for the battery and there are no public chargers that can do this. This isn’t anything we are likely to see in the next 50 years as you’d need to build a power station for every 10 vehicle charge station. Every one of those will be drawing as much power as a small city...
* Battery swapping was promised by Elon back in 2012, still nothing, very impractical and yeh you end up with poorly cared for batteries with questionable range/reliability. Since there’s no standard either don’t expect this to be a thing for the next few decades if ever.
* His confidence that electric cars are the future is because of emissions. Well... vehicles in the UK are responsible for around 0.2% of global emissions out of 1% total CO2 emissions we produce in the UK. If we all switched to diesel it would be 0.13% as it has far less CO2 emissions. So considering you need 60k miles to break even on manufacturing emissions, and these are really best case scenario numbers comparing a compact EV vs a large petrol car assuming identical lifespan, you get very different numbers in the real world. If you compare a more realistic double or 20 year lifespan of a diesel vehicle, with a more efficient engine, you are talking barely any difference in lifetime emissions, if not a win for the diesel - and you don't have to destroy the planet mining lithium/cobalt and a bunch of rare earth minerals.
The german guy will say batterys are future cos he works in battery industry. Ice is future
Exactly
LOL ask a man who works for the battery industry if batteries are getting better and if electric cars are the future.
What d'ya THINK he's gonna say?
Chinese manufacturer NIO has announced it is rolling out the first generation of solid state batteries into its EV range. Range quoted is from 930 to 1000km and being solid state removes much of the fire risk of Lithium batteries. Charging times will reduce too.
If it catches on then the resale of current electric cars will be zero, so even less reason for jumping in right now!
Strangely enough, I was going to mention to Lee about the new developments of solid state batteries, which would be a huge game changer any of these EVs, which I noted the German guy never mentioned🤔
My Audi 2ltr diesel averages 63mpg so would cost just shy of £14 - about 11p per mile. It also has a range from 100% of 625 miles and takes 3 minutes to charge.
The waste of time is the killer for me. Your tyres look shot to pieces as well, how many miles have they done?
If i'd spent £120k on a Taycan and went to a dealer to charge it and i had to wait for a tesla I'd be steaming.
Last week I did a trip there and back at 170 miles in my 2011 vw golf diesel for a total of £20.00.
Yeah I concur, my 2007 Volvo v50 diesel would do around 160-170 dual carriageway and motorway miles for £20 of diesel
Sad to say this, but that Randy Boffin, was rather interesting. Heck!!! - I may be batting for the otherside soon😅😅😅
Me again! Had to comment as I charged at a Tesla supercharger site yesterday in my e208. One of the Elon lovers started filming me, as I'm guessing he thought I wasn't able to charge there 😂 What an odd experience, definitely had a dogging feel with all the Tesla cars around 😂 Still, 40p kWh and very fast. ONE OF US.
Australia Tesla chargers are all 15p per kw or 30 cents aud. We pay 4p at home off peak. So the max cost would be 6.30 pounds in Australia.
It was nearly like that in the UK until a few years ago (Tesla averages now around 20p-50p, others 70p), Im still on 4.5p overnight at home, alas my deal runs out at the end of this month. Lee uses ionity which was partially funded by VAG, hence he gets 30p at these chargers.
The only arguments I ever see coming from the people saying "just charge at home" is "90 percent of trips are only like 15 mins" or "plan your journey" or "buy a second car".... Why don't I just buy one car and make it petrol or diesel then and save money? How is buying a second car more "green"? Also not everyone can charge at home, all the new builds I see barely have driveways now. Besides you then have to spend loads of getting one of those chargers installed cause coming from a standard plug takes too long. So weird to me cause they act as if no one goes out on the weekend with the family, what if I want to go 200 miles to Alton Towers? Well those ten percent of journeys do not matter :S Of course 90 percent are short distance, most people go to work every day or to the shop, it doesn't mean you shouldn't count what you do on the weekend. Let's lock ourselves down again shall we and not go anywhere! And why do I want to stress about planning my journey everywhere when I can just not and buy petrol or diesel? I can see a couple having two cars and one of them is electric and it works fine for them..... But we're not all in that situation. None of this would be a problem if it wasn't being forced on us by the middle classes that think no one else exists.
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You started with 32% and ended with 77%. You added 41% (21 to 62) and 53% (24 to 77) = 94% in total. So you only used 41 + 53 - (77 - 32) = 41 + 53 - 45 = 49% for your journey from start of the video to the end. So of your total cost of around £30 just over half of this (49/94) was attributable to the journey from the lakes. £15 isn't too bad, in a more efficient car like a Tesla Model 3 you'd get about 4 miles per kWh rather than 2.5--3 in the Taycan so even cheaper.
You kind of make the case for electric cars because your Porsche seems to never let you down. Except for long charging times and ur screen going off, I don't think you ever had to have it towed. I'm now thinking of switching to EV. Thanks Lee.
France has fairly low taxes on diesel and Spain has fairly low taxes on diesel and petrol so you might not out-price Geoff.
Diesel and petrol about €1.40 per l depends where you go that was saturdays price when i filled up the wifes car in Catalonia
Thankyou Lee really enjoyed that again . ❤😂🎉😊
Lee "Do you think electric cars are the future?"
Battery expert "Ja"
Lee, "Do you own an electric car?"
Battery expert "Nein" 🤔
Thanks for your comment. I thought I would clarify that I don’t own a car at the moment. It’s not really needed when living in Munich and when I need one I rent one (some great car sharing options in Munich as well). If I would own a car, it would be electric ⚡️ I also look forward to the EV costs coming down further in the future. Simon
Hey Simon, quick question, how does fast charging affect the batteries? Are they working on a way so it's not damaging?
@@TheMacMaster excellent question! Yes, companies are working on it. Fast charging tends to be a trade off currently between convenience and battery degradation. The startups I mentioned in Cambridge are working on battery anodes (component of the battery) which is more robust and can handle the faster charges better. If we want faster rates repeatability we usually choose power cells (for example for an electric drill). Those being optimised for power over energy density. If we care more about range (as in EV) we use energy cells. Power vs. Energy for energy storage systems can be compared easily visually on a Ragone plot. The C-rates (charging and discharge rate) during driving in an EV are not that high (simplified around 1C, 1 C stands for full discharge in 1h). The C rates in charging can be quite a bit higher (for example 2C would be 30 min, 6C 10 minutes). LFP batteries currently growing in popularity (even thought a bit less energy dense than NMC) can be a nice compromise as they tend to have longer cycle life than NMC cells and even with fast charging have more cycles than most people will need in the EVs lifetime. I would be happy to go in more depth either here or in Munich :) Simon
@@BatteryAssociates fair enough👍🏻
Lee, unfortunately 10 minutes recharging will never be possible due to several factors. A) High rate cells have about 200 cycles, so no good for EVs. B) You can have a 1,000 mile range today except there would only be space for the driver and the car would be verrrrrry heavy. C) You'd need a power station at every house here to recharge in under 10 minutes because the National Grid would not be able to cope with the huge demand and would probably short-out. Hope this has been helpful to you. 👍
Simon was really really interesting. I know he wont go to the toilet in his own back garden so to speak. He is in the battery industry. However he put forward a convincing argument regarding batteries and battery driven cars. You must check Cambridge out(Correct me if i'm wrong he did say Cambridge) Lee at some stage please. 😊 This was a chance meeting not arranged yea? ❤
I wonder how long those subsidies will last?
When the only option is electric and they do not have to incentivize you to buy one.
There are tax breaks for company car drivers. This is creating cheap 2nd hand buys. It a strategy as most people don’t buy new cars. By the time 2035 comes around most people will have benefited. Road Fund Licence kicks in next year. Despite making shedloads of money the oil industry gets subsidies too. That are also manipulating prices to keep them high. Pros and cons for everything.
Hi Lee
To do 122 miles I would use 18 Litres @ £1.699 per litre for super unleaded, price as of yesterday morning. On average 30 mpg.
"Quick vlog today" - 43mins 😁
Why would you wait for a charger when there are other chargers a couple of miles away while you still have about 50 miles of range?
How long will the subsidies last here today and gone tomorrow
If I did that 122 mile journey in my Kia Stonic which I had filled at my local Morrison's fuel station where it is £1.45 per litre, then the total fuel cost would be around £14.48.
What's more, on a full tank of petrol I could do that same journey around 3 1/2 times before having to stop to get more petrol.
Great video and was interesting to hear that guys view
One (of many) thing(s) that would put me off EV’s is the uncertainty of the prices. It’s like having a car that does 50mpg on one fill up but only 15mpg on the next (or anything in between). My car does about 55mpg but it always does that, so it’s always about £50 to fill the tank (a bit more on a motorway) and it always does about 425 miles on that fill up. Yours is more like spinning a roulette wheel.
But you're not a dipstick are you? You won't seek out the highest priced chargers. You'll use the extensive open to all Tesla network and the few times a year you need to charge away from home you'll pay 30-50p/kWh (which at the top end is less than a diesel car doing 50mpg and much less if buying diesel on the motorway). You might even treat yourself to Tesla membership and save even more.
@@stephenballantyne That assumes I get the choice as to where to charge. In a petrol car I’m never going to have to wait that long to refuel so any open petrol station will do and all of them take every card I carry and cash. With an electric it might well be a two hour wait for a cheap one but a much shorter wait on an expensive one. Or I might not have the cards for some types. Or I might be down to the last few miles and an expensive charger is all that’s still in range. In any of those cases that’s not much of a choice.
@@pogglefishii6807 does indirectly funding mass Mosque building projects in the UK,
every time you fill up with Saudi petrol /diesel, put you off owning an ICE ?
This alleged 10 minute battery charge is nonsense. They charged a preconditioned battery from 30% to 70% in just over 10 minutes. It wasn't a full charge.
There are no great breakthroughs in battery technology. If you want a car you can refuel to 100% in 10 minutes, you need a petrol or diesel car. And 10 minutes is enough time to fill up, pay for it, have a cigarette, and use the jet wash.
Not to mention you need a dedicated power station for every EV charging station as that level of energy can power a town… these people live in a fantasy world. If we had 10% year on year improvements the Model S batteries that are all dying right now would cost £5k and have double the capacity, instead we now have LFP batteries that are 30-50% heavier and cost more like £20k.
Look at EV specs 5 or 10 years ago vs now, look at headlines from 10 years ago for battery tech, what this guy was saying was in the headlines every year for a decade now and we’re still waiting on progress.
Hi lee, we can get from Morecambe to wick and back to Perth for £80 so it would cost £18 to do 122 miles in my vauxhall eco flex estate diesel
Looks like a royal pain in the ass. Picked up my diesel car from Leeds and drove back to Southend on sea for £20.
Factor in the cost of the car and depreciation and there is no contest.
Who ever bought a brand new car to make money?
Wow that german guy taught you a lesson....
Lee please put the link up for his RUclips Channel 👍
www.youtube.com/@BatteryAssociates
I can't agree with Simon from Germany that EVs are the future 100%. For some people they are perfect. But for so many (including me here in Australia) they just can't do what is needed in a practical way. I rent my home, so I can't get a home charger and I do 700km trips every week or so.
Battery swapping at the moment is a no go due to the various cooling systems that are attached to the traction battery packs. The other point to mention you will be playing Russian roulette when it comes to the swapped battery degradation.
Geoff's gonna win, pal. Probably on both time and cost. Only question is by how much? Good luck, anyway.
about the egg and cress ..we used to use damp face flannels and grown it on them .then just cut it off with scissors once grown..we learnt that at school back in the 70s!
You guys can crack on with these daft electric cars. I really couldn't be bothered with all that waiting around. Happy knitting you lot🤣
At the moment my Jaguar XE2.0i Prestige petrol E10 ,2018 31,000 miles. 34 mpg. 20p per mile. average. Tesla should be Testicular, it looks like a ball bag.
Were watching this space. You enjoying all this mileage in a beautiful electric car. Of course you'll buy another one Lee. You know how good they are. Even if they cost a fortune to buy new. Enjoy your new new PorschA whilst others just watch on 😂
Bosch brought out it's cordless hammer drill in 1984. By 2004 it had upgraded to lithium ion, meaning lithium Ion is 20 year old technology
LFP batteries are not much younger.
The delay to bring out new batteries is partly because supply chains are so full of existing chemistry that unless there are compelling reasons to change we're going to be stuck with lithium chemistries for years
I love your story keep up great job 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Lee, the only way to do a fair cost comparison of EV v ICE is to pick a model, say yours v a petrol Porsche? Purchase price, cost of fuel/Electricity, servicing, tyres, depreciation, based on the same mileage say over 12 months. That would be a fair comparison
Hi Lee. I drive a 4.0litre 6 cylinder Ford Falcon here in Australia. Converting from miles to Kms and dollars to pounds, your trip in my car would have cost £15.80 without stopping to fill up and the air conditioning on full blast. 😊 onwards!
Great video Lee, just talking to a chap on Facebook I’ve told him bro start knitting while he charges his car lol , sounds like a EV Supporter.
Hi Lee I did Bradford to Bowness on Windermere on Sunday in my Porsche Cayenne 4.2 V8 diesel and back for £45.00 around 225 miles and still had over 300 miles left in the tank
Forton is where the M6 ended when I was first driving. My brother wrote my MG1100 off near there and it ended up in a scrap yard near by. Used to go for supper at Charnock Richard services after the pub. No police about then.
The only problem with petro, diesel, is the taxes on it.
If you include the car insurance it would be more expensive in the electric car.
I pay £450 for a Audi A4 35tfsi 20 years no claims low risk area a tesla model 3 quoted £525 and its a much quicker car
Lol, lol, lol, Polestar is NOT named after an exotic dancer it's named after the actual Pole Star that was used for navigation purposes for centuries- aka Polaris
Forget the cost, of petrol/ diesel or electric, had anybody asked, companies about paying for their reps to be sat in food court's,while the great electric car chargers? Companies are going to go bust or products are going to go through the roof price wise.
Regarding queuing, perhaps a ticket machine like at old-style cheese counters. Though I suppose it'd be yet another soddin' app. Macrame, make macrame owls while you wait. Or one of those rug kits. 'I think you'll find' these wonder batteries work well in the lab but not in the real world. Meanwhile China will have put European brands out of business.
Ribbena and Vimto are 2 totally different drink mixtures.
Hi Lee, my petrol car would have cost £14.50 or less for that journey with no waiting 😁
I actually enjoyed watching this video , a bit of sensible debate for once.
“…the new Porsche Taycan… watch this space…” Does my crystal ball predict you’ve got one on order in Pencil Grey? Mmmm, let’s go onwards to Porsche Nottingham my friends.
My 2.0L diesel Tiguan will easily do 55-60mpg on journeys, even at the lower figure of 55mpg @ 6.84 per gallon £1.50 per litre at my local garage 12/05/24 that’s 12.5p per mile.
Lee, I can remember us growing bean seeds in a Jamjar lined with BLOTTING PAPER....Spot of water in the bottom. The Beans were set between the glass and the paper halfway up the jar........🙄😳🇬🇧
Panamera Turbo S is the best Grand tourer and the car you should have bought Lee i cannot believe you chose the Taycan as its exactly the same car as a Panamera but with an Electric battery , You might get lucky one day maybe someone will do a swap ?
I think I mentioned this to you before. I have a Nissan Leaf which I charge at home and only drive around town. At this stage of the game with EVs, I won’t be traveling outside of the city I live. The infrastructure is not to where I would feel comfortable. That, I feel is improving. Things are improving with battery technology providing longer range and faster charging. If I plan to go out of town, I rent a gas car. This arrangement works well for me. I love my EV which doesn’t cost me a great deal to operate.
If you can, get yourself a 2nd hand Tesla long range. All the negative press gas driven down prices. You can drive anywhere.
@@EwanM11yes, that’s a good idea, but I’ll have to wait until my wallet gains a bit more wait. 😊
Baptism of fire for me. I got an EV and went on holiday round the UK (Scotland and Wales) I had zero issues over 2000 miles, apart from the longer times it takes to charge rather than "splash and dash" of course but I was on holiday so who cares.
LEE,,,,do a vlog on how much servicing and tyres how much they cost to run
Yes they are the future…..sadly i will be dead before it is perfected to the extent that i would consider it as a daily driver.
Ha, well there’s your first mistake, you skimped on the home charger by not getting the one with the upgraded 400 mile cable.😁
But if everybody had one, imagine tryng to untie the knot! 🙂
Haverthwaite to Leeds is 120 miles via the motorway - a 240 mile round trip which is well within range for your car. Maybe you should have charged your car before setting off. That journey would cost £48 in our Caddy Maxi at 20p/mile for diesel.
The journey is within range of our ID3 and would cost £4.50 @ 7.5p/kWh for downloaded electricity @ 4 miles per kWh. However, as we have solar panels and Octopus pay us 15p/kWh for export, they effectively pay us to drive our ID3.
New ID3s are now cheaper to buy than their nearest rival in performance and size, the Golf GTI.
An entertaining vid as usual Mac but maybe it's time to invest in a calculator.