@@LoyalMoses I'm wrong! I was thinking the S1.... that's the one reviewers saying bad things about. totally my mistake. (too many products! haha). yes, the t1 has generally unanimous rave reviews. the S1 ... people seem to say it's so fast... but can't even finish a proper bench... unless slowed down to basically T1 speeds.
Great opening. I loved it. I love my Crealite K1 Max AI and my Bambu Labs X1 Carbon with AMS. Both machines have been excellent. Excellent info on a good test for speed and how well these printers performed in their evaluation. Speed is nice, but I feel quality is my 1st priority. You know I think in the next year or two, I think will have both. You are right how fast it is evolving.
The P1S gets my vote for sure. My bambu printers have been mega-reliable. If I needed a budget printer, the A1, which I already have two of (and a mini, and my wife has a mini too). Thanks for the coupon as well! Finally getting some polymaker filament. I haven't been lucky enough to win one of your giveaways on stream yet, but I'll keep tuning in!
Wow! Great choice and that is A LOT of Bambu machines! 🤯 You are fully setup! You are so welcome, and thanks for tuning in! Everyone wins eventually! Keep trying!
Great Video, I agree I would vote for the P1S swell for the same reason as you mentioned, I do happen to own a P1S and I'm so unbelievable happy with it. It does all I want and so much more the possibilities are endless. What I also like about this printer is that the replacement / upgrade parts are very affordable and the options to print with almost every type of filament made it for me the best option.
1000%! So you know exactly what I meant! That P1S is just sooooo good, and yes, parts are priced very well when a lot of people anticipated they’d be outrageous. Thank you, and I appreciate you commenting!
I'm going that direction myself, started printing a couple years ago. Of course started off w/creality printers, figured they worked well enough and cheaper pricing. Always told myself "bambu prints look a little better but not $$$ better. Bought an A1 mini a few months ago, now I find myself printing almost everything on it. While my V3 k1, SE and V2 barely get used. Just bought the P1S and plan on selling my creality printers.... besides my K1 it prints well enough and it's fast.
I've had a P1S for about one year and it works, but I often don't print because I almost always have to fiddle with it to print.It's not as magical as the internet makes it out to be .I recently bought a FLSun T1 and haven't had any problems with it.
Oh, I've had the complete opposite experience. The A1 mini and P1S have been such reliable machines. But, this is why we have options - so we can have the printers that we like and prefer!
Great comparison and video as usual. So far I have a pair of K1C, a K1MAX, and recently added an A1 with AMS that has been awesome. I have a K2 with bells an a whistle pre ordered and naturally hoping it is amazing. Considering the FLSUN T1 or P1S but currently undecided. With consideration of AMS, odds are I'll lean towards Bambu but I'm not in a rush to decide. 100% looking forward to a larger format Bambu so I may just wait and go that route. I enjoy your videos, they're uplifting regardless of topic as well as entertaining and informative. Thank you.
Thank you! That is so very kind! Also… WOW! That is a ton of awesome 3D printing gear! The AMSs were really a game changer for the industry and I’m hoping the CMF from Creality is awesome! Again, thank you for commenting and sharing! I enjoy this, a lot!
Because I already have X1c and bambu A1 mini, purchasing T1 might just be for its Delta ways. looks and size and fits nicely as a corner Art piece. I have not used my Bambu x1c yet for AbS cause I don't have the other hot end.
I have been using T1 for 3 weeks , using P1S for about half a year. If you have multiple color requirements, I recommend you choose P1S, but you must be able to tolerate the waste of consumables. If you are pursuing time saving, I strongly recommend you choose T1.
I wasn't surprised with the results. I would probably call this a real-world test as you were testing the experience of doing prints. All of them looked to be pretty good prints. The TI is a beast for sure. I bought a P1S as my first printer as part of the Bambu Lab's 2nd Anniversary sale last month. Haven't printed any "fun" stuff yet, been printing mostly upgrades and tools to get my 3d printing setup ready for doing more things. It's been pretty reliable and the quality has been really good. Have only used Bambu filaments so far, but got my first order of Polymaker filaments last week, so will be trying out them soon.
Welcome in to 3D printing! Fantastic choice for your first printer, wow! That is an amazing machine, can do ANYTHING!!! Also, smart choice on the filament, you really are setup perfectly!
I feel like this is a video I needed to say as I am interested in getting my first 3d printer. I know everyone is high on Bambu but I kinda like how you explained that FLSUN machine
Thanks! I try really hard to come at it from the perspective of user experience. The T1 is super fast and A LOT of fun, the P1S has a better overall user experience and the V3 is pretty budget friendly!
Unless you feel you want to tinker more with the printer than you print with it, get a Bambu. An A1 mini is a great entry point. If you do want to tinker more, than neither of the 3 presented here are ideal. They are too "closed" for real tinkering and in-depth tweaking. Maybe building your own The 100 might be more for you then ...
I did a Rostock delta about 13 years ago as a frame re-do from my original printer x-y-z printer with a home built frame. I designed my own motherboard based on an STM32F103VBT chip (Creality started using them years later), bios and had both functional. Problem with the delta, more prone to frame missalignment issues, I was always adjusting it. Also, the swivel connections are high load wearing components. I had an FLSUN core x-y kit that I made about 8 years ago, It was OK but the hot end cooling above the heat transition was poor, I ended up making a water cooled top part above the transition to stop fat filament plug-jams, I had no issues assembling the kit but it was around 8 hours assembly + setup, a lot of purchasers gave up though I thought the manual was just fine, there wasn't the same degree of pre-assembly people expect these days, it was a very raw kit. Bearing quality is important for longevity, also effective electronics cooling. An enclosed printer saves time printing large brims and even high skirts where high accuracy is required. I do most of my printing with PLA and some with PETg+, rarely anything else but for enclosed, other options are a lot more practical.
I'd choose the T1 ... The print looked so clean. Print quality and speed has become ubiquitous so the only thing seperating them is VFA and overall print quality. If you can zoom in on VFA that would help enormously.
100% Bambu P1S for me! I’ve had 2 Enders (5 pro and 5 S1) and I just got a Bambu P1S 2 weeks ago and I’m in love!! After using the P1S and not having to worry about my first layer, I’ll never go back to anything else!
@@LoyalMoses Had a "v1" ender 3 pro, that left a bad taste in my mouth so I'm biased against, however seeing the quality these days they're pretty impressive given their history. A huge step forward by Creality.
Just watch your video from the recommendation. I ordered T1 for faster prototyping because I have good experience with QQS pro since I purchased it few years ago. However, I am looking to get a SV08 (or the unleased SV09..?) later to play with COREXY system because I would love to do some tinker with it.
in this price range for flat out speed if you're doing complex models and don't need the size, the anycubic M7 pro is an amazing pick, you get a similar speed for the bolt, but you can print 8 at the same time. (in theory you should be able to print in 35 min in maximum speed on HS resin, and you should probably still be getting similar quality on Z since it's 0.2mm layer height) note that clean up may be more involved since it's resin, but if you're doing multi part batches or models that would have a lot of hops/direction changes, it's still way faster. and you could get the m5s for half the price, it's the one I'm currently using and it's amazing, printing multiple 10cm high models in an hour. also cost isn't really an issue anymore, resin is around the same price as filament nowadays. (though if you are only doing very small models in 1-2 of, the cost of ppe starts to add up.) btw I would advise against high speed resin because it's definitely not a general purpose resin, it prints fast and is extremely rigid, but that's also what causes most of the pain with it, it's relatively brittle (i.e. it will shatter if dropped from 1m+) and it will film up if it's sunny and you open the window or door. also it's almost impossible to print anything requiring flexing. though if you need a prototype in the next hour it'll do that no problem. a better one is ABS-like resin.
FLSUN reps were pronouncing it 'Full sun" on a live stream. My v400 has been impressive but far from perfect and needs an enclosure. Would love to try a T1 or S1, but picked up the A1 mini on sale for the purpose of multi color/material.
i really really really really would love the T1 .. but the klipper software and lack of reviews got there reasons why let it slide, and build limit to but thats specific for delta . so in the end i go back to the P1S as atleast i know that works :D
I would pick any Bambu over the other two. The user experience and ease of use is everything. I would recommend any Bambu to anyone. I even got my gf a a1mini since I got tired of using valuable print hours for hearts and pots and what not
Bambulab is the most round product for me, I would buy a P1S, though I have an X1C and really hate the nozzle cooling solution.... hope there where some upgrades that really really made some improvement. dont know if P1S suffers from the same, would guess yes since they use the same tool head
FL Sun has mixed reviews, creality is OK for beginners wanting to test the water, but PS1 is probably the best overall at the moment. Heard Bambu looking to release larger printer this year?...what do you think Moses please?
Yup, larger printer coming... the FLSUN has been amazing for me, the updated firmware has been great, and I can't discount other experiences, but some creators LOVE the negative clicks and views, it's low hanging fruit.
I would be interested to use T1 or S1 for only for ABS project..I'm not the type to change out nozzles.. just easier to dedicate one printer for 1 type of filament..call me lazy. If not I would just buy another X1C.
@@LoyalMoses thank you.. then I guess I'll go ahead and purchase ABS filament from your Polymaker. The TPU I have from them is awesome , and the kids love how squishy it can be.
I had started with delta 3d printers from the beginning. Real problem is after a few years is getting control board replacement parts. Results have been very accurate.
Kind of figured the Delta to finish first and the other 2 to be close. Now was the shell game on purpose (because you know, they’re nuts) or a happy accident? Another great informative video, sorry you were fired. 😂😂
Great representation of how the technology has come along and capabilities they have. All 3 are good machines, but the AMS makes the deal for top pick. Maybe after seeing the video you'll get your foot back in the door of Polymaker Tower. 🤣🤣🤣
FLSUN's power to print circles is also it's weakness, it's having to do ADVANCED inverse kinematic computations to draw straight lines, getting XY scaling tolerances dialed in on a delta can be impossible if there are manufacturing discrepancies in arm lengths, because XY doesn't even exist! It's 3 wiggly arms in the air, doing advanced motions just to make a straight line, I'm sure it's a beast at vase mode though, and those that it's surface-tells aren't an issue, then the speed makes up for it there. Even as someone who started on an E3, I'd also pick the P1, fully enclosable, future AMS, Core XY motion has too many benefits over bedslinger. That said I just got a A1 mini, because It's a complete AMS solutions for less than the P1 alone. Impressed with it's speed and quality already. Some of the best first layers and I haven't had to tweak a darn thing..just magic.
I think the most amazing thing here is that we have 3 very capable machines producing great results as these speeds. What a time to be in 3D printing!!! Thank you for taking the time to comment! 💜
the formula isn't that complex, it's just square roots and additions/multiplications*, if I'm not mistaken it runs on the rockchip RV1109 which is a dual core at 1.5Ghz, calculating the kinematics is probably at most 50 clock cycles, that means you can do 30M calculations per second, a tmc2209 has a frequency of around 50khz, so 150k calculations is enough to keep up with the drivers. so tl;dr yes it's more complex but it's a non issue to the point that you can run a lot of overhead on top *it's a pain to calculate, but once the calculation is done, the required computation is relatively trivial on any modern processor.
@@satibel I know a reasonable bit about IK, I should have been more careful what words I emphasize. My biggest issue is all the artifacts that get generated trying to turn such an unconstrained system BACK into a planar printer again. It just seems like a waste of core potential to simply go, slightly faster. I'd love to see one of these delta printer companies go ham and build a full stewart platform with slicer support that can tilt and become the defacto for non-planar printing at home.
I would choose the Bambu A1 over the Ender v3. You would be seeing those under extrusion issues with the flow calibrated A1. I want to print, not tinker.
We have a video coming that we are filming right now with the A1 and the Ender 3 V3! Also, you are right, a lot of people just want to print and not mess with their printers.
My first machine was a cheap delta. I never was able to get a good print out of it. Partly because of my inexperience, but also because the machine suked. :) I am considering the Flsun. I really want one that will just print out of the box. But I don't like Bambu because it requires the internet to live up to its full potential. And I don't like the slinger because the design is inefficient. I had an ender knockoff for a while, and it was okay for some things, but it required constant attention to keep it working properly. I like the delta design for its efficiency and speed. The V400 has a direct drive extruder, so that's a plus as well.
I've had so many issues with the Flsun printer I have mainly with getting it dialed in. I have destroyed my bed trying to get it to printer successfully. Selling it. Just not worth the aggravation. I am going wtih Bamboo. We plan on getting an A1 and a P1s.
@@LoyalMoses I have a QQ. I have dialed in the z offset but it looks like every slicer overrides that setting and drives the nozzle into the bed. Wierd. I don't understand it at all.
@@LoyalMoses agreed, but it would’ve been nice to see if the black one fit into the red one and the red one fit into the blue one and the blue one fit into the black one. That would show if the printers are printing accurately which I think is what you were looking for
I remember thinking that when I watched it after it was published... in-fact if you watch the next video I did on the A1 and V3, I literally did that... sometimes we don't see the forest through the trees in the script or edit! I will make sure I do more of it for sure.
Did you slice on the Bambu with Arachne wall generator? That is by far the best choice when printing the circles like that bolt. It would be my choice for that model by far (and most models) The other thing. With Polysonic, you could bump that to Sport mode with no issues at all and speed up the print. I may have to print that same model on my printer with polysonic in sport mode sliced with Arachne and see the speed/quality for comparison.
Try it! See if the quality remains with it being even faster. I sliced it all moderately to ensure they were printing within their respective normal speeds. The delta is just so much fun!
Apologies if i missed it, but did you run the P1S at standard 300mm/s or the "ludicrous" 500mm/s setting? It's advertised as 500mm/s, but that's not what you're getting by default
I have a Bambu X1C that had a heated sensor cable that failed on me. When trying to repair the X1C on my own I may have caused an issue with the plastic plug in housing, (still trying to figure this out). So my "best" performing 3D printer is out of service and I have no way to get it fixed unless I get lucky and do it myself successfully. I am shopping for a 3D printer and am hesitant to buy another Bambu product because I am afraid that I lost a lot of money on my X1C knowing that I may never be able to bring it back into operating condition. I guess it is pretty much the same with all 3D printers, once they break down, you're on your own. So no-one mentions the repairability of 3D printers and I was wondering if you hav e thoughts on the difficulty level of repairs out there, (might make a great video). Any thoughts?
Me personally, I’m not too concerned with repairing something - I can’t repair my PS5 when it breaks… I know that is a concern for some, just not me really. I just hope we keep moving forward and printers get better and better. You have to admit, we are doing so much better than ever before with them right now.
If the print quality is that close together and the Creality is at least $150 cheaper than FL Sun and $250 cheaper than the Bambu Labs, I would take the Creality for the bigger build volume. It's 30% bigger than the P1S and almost twice the size of the T1, ON THE PLATE. Most people hardly ever max out their build height. The FL Sun has a circular build plate which really limits how big of a square you print on it. I don't print near as many large round objects as I do large square or oblong objects. To top it all off, the Creality and the P1S will print larger round objects than the FL Sun. If printing long skinny objects, the Creality can go over 420mm diagonally, the wider the shorter you can print. When it comes to noise levels, the FL Sun is atrocious. It sounds like a jet engine on steroids. The P1S with the cabinet closed is probably the quietest. Speed is nice, but not as big a factor as print quality and price.
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Speed isn’t everything, quality counts more than just super fast printing. I typically slow down my Bambu printers unless I don’t care about loss in quality.
Delta printers are very good for printing round shaped objects like bolts and threads. It is very hard to make any decision by this video. Why not to compare printers by benchy and other standard things... Would like to see noise comparison of this printers too. Not sure if T1 is good for home prints because of many complaints about noise for its parent model
And documentation? BL wiki is comprehensive. I've never got decent support/documentation or my FLSun. And while it was great when new, a short time later it started getting leveling problems (crashes while leveling), inaccuracy leveling and poor consistency of prints. As a result it is no longer used.
@@NickBR57 FLSun has a dedicated wiki and a whole line of youtube videos on a seperate channel, that go over each component replacement and common troubleshooting and tips. They have a heavily active discord and an official facebook group where after-sales engineers respond to each support question and issue. Whatever old FLSun you had, it's quite different today with the T1 and S1. I own the S1.
I think you should have timed the printers with thier native startup routines. I know that the 5 minute startup time of Bambu printers is an issue for a lot of people and it would have made the comparison of the machines more of real everyday use statistics. At this point im feeli that we are seeing the age of Bambu's lineup starting to show. That P1s was the most expensive yet slowest of the 3. Also the top of the Bambu screw had a very nasty print line across it. Neither of the other two had that....Also the V3 is going to be compatible with the new multicolor unit from Creality. That per their annoucement of the k2
@@LoyalMoses But thats the thing. Thier quality is no better and actually not as good as that T1 , i mean your own tests showed that. And other machines are just as easy to use. Look at the Flashforge 5m....$299 and it has better quality on average then the P1P or P1S and theres reviewers that have shown this. Bambu 2 years ago was amazing....Now they are aged out and overpriced compared to other newer printers. That happens with any electronics. You dont modernize or update then you get left behind. The PiP should be $249 the P1S $399 and the X1C with AMS should be $799....
The slicer is the program used to prepare a model for printing, and recently what you use to send a print to a printer over the network if you aren’t going to use a USB stick or SD card. OrcaSlicer is a common one for general use, Bambu Studio is for Bambu Lab printers primarily and there are others like Cura, and PrusaSlicer as well.
Bambu p1s. Already have 2 of them. Run 1000+ hours on all 3 of those machines and the p1s will still be printing great. The creality will give you nothing but headaches. Well at least thats my experience.
Those P1Ss are SOOO nice! I really want more people to experience them. I hear that a lot about Creality of course, but times are changing and Bambu has had a real impact on the industry, driving a lot of these companies forward on the hardware, software and even support.
If only it were that simple. The overall experience is more important than the individual traits. The P1S will produce better prints more reliably and the slicing, management and multi-color experience also put it ahead in all aspects. The T1 is fast, and for prototyping and also just for pure joy at this speed, the T1 is amazing!
@@LoyalMoses I own the S1. It looks like something an alien civilization would leave in the middle of the desert and our primitive ancestors would worship around it. I had to cut the cabinets in my work shop to fit it. Every time I open the door to my shop it's like seeing an entire car parked on my bench, it's shocking. But I do love it :-)
Wow... I didn't know Tr8mp was working for Polymaker 🤣 (have you marked the checkbox on YT about AI being used to portray famous people doing things they never did?) ANYWAYS, I agree with you about the T1: it is a very fun printer to put together and use - and the folks that visited my workshop were mesmerised by how it works - the speed (and the noise is also impressive). I like mine - but the S1 looking unfinished brought a lot of negativity around both the S1 and T1, which is a pity. I liked my T1 a lot.
He fired me! LOL - Yes, definitely clicked that checkbox, I was looking for a reason to do it since they added it! :-) I am loving this T1, especially after the last couple of firmware updates and I agree that the S1 brought a lot of negative attention because S1/T1 are so easily confused. It's just an all around fun machine. Thanks for chiming in!
Okay, about the ender 3 V3, what is the advantage of a core xz system over traditional bedslinger? Having the x motor on the bridge seems to me is not limiting the speed of the machine, because of the limited movement of the z axis. Can anybody explain this to me? Ps: P1S owner here, and never regretted getting one.
P1S is an amazing machine! As for the corexz system... two motors work together rather than one alone, so the movement becomes very efficient, faster and more precise. Additionally, it reduces weight on the x-gantry which helps limit vibrations and wobble. It can also be a cost savings as well depending on how it is manufactured.
Yes, absolutely! I think A LOT of people miss that as an option. We don't have to run these printers are these high speeds all the time. Reducing speed will absolutely increase quality! Appreciate you asking!
I vote for Core XY as the best overall system for current generation of printers. Delta config is too mathematically and mechanically complex for my taste, and I imagine it would be a nightmare to incorporate sophisticated algorithms related to resonance compensation, input shaping, motor noise reduction etc. Besides, just look at the size of this monster. Almost half of its volume is used by the mechanism. Not very efficient use of space, and I also have reservations about reliability (particularly of the links, which require very high long-term precision under stress). As for Core XZ, I don't see the point of having a fast Z axis. 99 percents of the time the printing head needs to move in XY plane, and that's where speed matters. Z is only used when advancing to the next layer, and sometimes for short distance Z-hopping. No need to be ultra-fast on that axis at all. Second point: there are not many filaments which can reliably print at 250 mm/s, let alone 1000 mm/s. I personally don't print from PLA except when I need to test something, as it is too thermally unstable and prone to sagging. As for other, more practical materials, the vast majority of them don't print well at super high speeds, so the Delta here doesn't have an advsntage. And the third printer has open frame so it is also not well suited for such materials (albeit for a different reason). So, between these three, I would choose at P1S without hesitation. Besides, maybe it's just me, but even in this video I like the look of the part it produced more then the other two, despite the author's comments.
CoreXZ isn't just about the motion speed, but also reducing weight and vibration on Z as well - so there is still a small benefit, even if minimal there. As for filaments - I am receiving new PLAs right now that are rated at 800mm/s and this coming week I will have several rated for 1200mm/s - everything is changing, and the recipes for all of these base filaments will soon be high speed. Even Bambu Lab doesn't have "high speed" filament, because ALL of their filament is high speed. But yes, I agree the P1S is just the better general purpose machine. Still LOVE the way the delta moves though, my gosh I love it. Thank you for sharing!
@@LoyalMoses I'm still not convinced about the advantages of Core XZ -- maybe I'll change my mind when variable-Z-layer (forgot the exact term) printing becomes more commonplace than it is now. Until then, I don't think the Z axis matters much as long as it's statically stable and precise. Regarding speeds -- like I said, I don't use PLA for most of my prints, so I guess we have different use cases here. I certainly don't mind waiting a bit longer if at the end I get a quality print with good layer adhesion. For rapid prototyping, I agree that speed matters a lot, and could be a determining factor -- I just don't do much of prototyping, I mostly print functional parts for my electro-mechanical projects, using ASA, PA, ABS, TPU and the likes. In any case, I am about to test my theories soon as my new P1S should arrive in the mail today. I also understand how cool it must be to watch a working Delta. When I was a child, I was mesmerized by electric typewriters -- modern laser printers are so boring in comparison 😀 Thanks for the interesting discussion!
It all depends on your needs and understanding of the technology. If I need multicolor printing, I’d definitely go with the P1S. But if saving time is my priority, I’d definitely choose the T1.
I would not purchase any of these printers because you haven't revealed the warranty or reliability to get parts and support from. Nor did you reveal if its open source or not.
These are great machines and I would choose the T1. I have a V400 and so far, it's working well and I love it.
That is great to hear!!!
Shocked more the t1 good. Every other reviewer said it’s garbage. Glad yours worked well.
I’m so disappointed to hear any of that about the T1! It’s been an awesome machine. Go watch my full video on it, it’s just really good! Thank you!
@@LoyalMoses I'm wrong! I was thinking the S1.... that's the one reviewers saying bad things about. totally my mistake. (too many products! haha). yes, the t1 has generally unanimous rave reviews. the S1 ... people seem to say it's so fast... but can't even finish a proper bench... unless slowed down to basically T1 speeds.
great video and great description of all of those different styles!
Thank you! It’s fun to see these different styles running at the same time.
I bought a flsun sr 3 years ago. It is still working very well and their service support is great. P1S, V3 and T1 are all great.
Awesome! I love to hear stories like that!
If you own T1, you will love this beast
Same. Still rocking the SR, although heavily modified.
Great opening. I loved it. I love my Crealite K1 Max AI and my Bambu Labs X1 Carbon with AMS. Both machines have been excellent. Excellent info on a good test for speed and how well these printers performed in their evaluation. Speed is nice, but I feel quality is my 1st priority. You know I think in the next year or two, I think will have both. You are right how fast it is evolving.
Thank you very much! 👊
Those are great machines! And I can’t wait to see where we’ll be in a couple of years!
The P1S gets my vote for sure. My bambu printers have been mega-reliable. If I needed a budget printer, the A1, which I already have two of (and a mini, and my wife has a mini too). Thanks for the coupon as well! Finally getting some polymaker filament. I haven't been lucky enough to win one of your giveaways on stream yet, but I'll keep tuning in!
Wow! Great choice and that is A LOT of Bambu machines! 🤯 You are fully setup!
You are so welcome, and thanks for tuning in! Everyone wins eventually! Keep trying!
@@LoyalMoses Thanks again Loyal, I used your code to grab a polydryer and a couple rolls of filament. It saved me almost $19. Much appreciated. 🙂
DANG! That is awesome! And Thank you!!!
I agree with you I have an x1 c an a1 mini and 2 a1’s and they are super reliable
Great Video, I agree I would vote for the P1S swell for the same reason as you mentioned, I do happen to own a P1S and I'm so unbelievable happy with it. It does all I want and so much more the possibilities are endless. What I also like about this printer is that the replacement / upgrade parts are very affordable and the options to print with almost every type of filament made it for me the best option.
1000%! So you know exactly what I meant! That P1S is just sooooo good, and yes, parts are priced very well when a lot of people anticipated they’d be outrageous. Thank you, and I appreciate you commenting!
Apple for Apple: A1 for the same price tag! Sold all my Prusa and Creality for 2 x X1C, 1 x A1 & 1 x A1 Mini and will never look back! It just works!
That's so true! People haven't yet experienced them just don't know!
I'm going that direction myself, started printing a couple years ago. Of course started off w/creality printers, figured they worked well enough and cheaper pricing. Always told myself "bambu prints look a little better but not $$$ better. Bought an A1 mini a few months ago, now I find myself printing almost everything on it. While my V3 k1, SE and V2 barely get used. Just bought the P1S and plan on selling my creality printers.... besides my K1 it prints well enough and it's fast.
I'm printing relatively exotic filaments (ABS variants and Amphora) and having an enclosure is relatively mandatory.
I love my T1, it's so fast . I'm not sure why so many people don't like it, but I really like it
It's so much fun!
I've had a P1S for about one year and it works, but I often don't print because I almost always have to fiddle with it to print.It's not as magical as the internet makes it out to be .I recently bought a FLSun T1 and haven't had any problems with it.
Oh, I've had the complete opposite experience. The A1 mini and P1S have been such reliable machines. But, this is why we have options - so we can have the printers that we like and prefer!
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A few years ago, delta 3D printers had quite a few issues. After watching your video, it feels like the T1 is worth giving a try.
I am super happy with it and literally can't stop thinking of things to do with it! It's just REALLY LOUD!
Great comparison and video as usual. So far I have a pair of K1C, a K1MAX, and recently added an A1 with AMS that has been awesome. I have a K2 with bells an a whistle pre ordered and naturally hoping it is amazing. Considering the FLSUN T1 or P1S but currently undecided. With consideration of AMS, odds are I'll lean towards Bambu but I'm not in a rush to decide. 100% looking forward to a larger format Bambu so I may just wait and go that route. I enjoy your videos, they're uplifting regardless of topic as well as entertaining and informative. Thank you.
Thank you! That is so very kind! Also… WOW! That is a ton of awesome 3D printing gear! The AMSs were really a game changer for the industry and I’m hoping the CMF from Creality is awesome! Again, thank you for commenting and sharing! I enjoy this, a lot!
Because I already have X1c and bambu A1 mini, purchasing T1 might just be for its Delta ways. looks and size and fits nicely as a corner Art piece. I have not used my Bambu x1c yet for AbS cause I don't have the other hot end.
Nice machines! And yes that T1 could be art! 🔥
I have been using T1 for 3 weeks , using P1S for about half a year. If you have multiple color requirements, I recommend you choose P1S, but you must be able to tolerate the waste of consumables. If you are pursuing time saving, I strongly recommend you choose T1.
Awesome. Thank you for sharing.
I wasn't surprised with the results. I would probably call this a real-world test as you were testing the experience of doing prints. All of them looked to be pretty good prints. The TI is a beast for sure.
I bought a P1S as my first printer as part of the Bambu Lab's 2nd Anniversary sale last month. Haven't printed any "fun" stuff yet, been printing mostly upgrades and tools to get my 3d printing setup ready for doing more things. It's been pretty reliable and the quality has been really good. Have only used Bambu filaments so far, but got my first order of Polymaker filaments last week, so will be trying out them soon.
Welcome in to 3D printing! Fantastic choice for your first printer, wow!
That is an amazing machine, can do ANYTHING!!! Also, smart choice on the filament, you really are setup perfectly!
Nice comparison! I'll go for T1 because I don't have it yet.
Thanks! Yes, the T1 needs homes!
I feel like this is a video I needed to say as I am interested in getting my first 3d printer. I know everyone is high on Bambu but I kinda like how you explained that FLSUN machine
Thanks! I try really hard to come at it from the perspective of user experience. The T1 is super fast and A LOT of fun, the P1S has a better overall user experience and the V3 is pretty budget friendly!
Unless you feel you want to tinker more with the printer than you print with it, get a Bambu. An A1 mini is a great entry point. If you do want to tinker more, than neither of the 3 presented here are ideal. They are too "closed" for real tinkering and in-depth tweaking. Maybe building your own The 100 might be more for you then ...
YES to all of the motion systems. The more, the option the better!
Heck yeah!
Since I have an X1-C and an A1, I'd go for the FLSun, though I do have a Super Raced with Speeder pad.
Oh wow! You are all setup! Fully loaded with ALL the awesome machines already! Love it!!!
I did a Rostock delta about 13 years ago as a frame re-do from my original printer x-y-z printer with a home built frame. I designed my own motherboard based on an STM32F103VBT chip (Creality started using them years later), bios and had both functional. Problem with the delta, more prone to frame missalignment issues, I was always adjusting it. Also, the swivel connections are high load wearing components.
I had an FLSUN core x-y kit that I made about 8 years ago, It was OK but the hot end cooling above the heat transition was poor, I ended up making a water cooled top part above the transition to stop fat filament plug-jams, I had no issues assembling the kit but it was around 8 hours assembly + setup, a lot of purchasers gave up though I thought the manual was just fine, there wasn't the same degree of pre-assembly people expect these days, it was a very raw kit.
Bearing quality is important for longevity, also effective electronics cooling. An enclosed printer saves time printing large brims and even high skirts where high accuracy is required. I do most of my printing with PLA and some with PETg+, rarely anything else but for enclosed, other options are a lot more practical.
Thank you for sharing!
I'd choose the T1 ... The print looked so clean. Print quality and speed has become ubiquitous so the only thing seperating them is VFA and overall print quality. If you can zoom in on VFA that would help enormously.
I think it is such a cool machine!
100% Bambu P1S for me! I’ve had 2 Enders (5 pro and 5 S1) and I just got a Bambu P1S 2 weeks ago and I’m in love!! After using the P1S and not having to worry about my first layer, I’ll never go back to anything else!
That’s just awesome to hear! Crazy how the printing experience has changed so much already in such a short time!
The E3 V3 is a stunning machine. It’s not the older Enders…it’s super fast & print quality is amazing.
I really like it!
@@LoyalMoses Had a "v1" ender 3 pro, that left a bad taste in my mouth so I'm biased against, however seeing the quality these days they're pretty impressive given their history. A huge step forward by Creality.
P1P for me, I like making my own enclosures and having different options.
P1S. mostly because i already have one with an AMS and like to keep things like troubleshooting/parts on one list/in one bucket.
That’s a great idea! Perfect choice!
Just watch your video from the recommendation. I ordered T1 for faster prototyping because I have good experience with QQS pro since I purchased it few years ago. However, I am looking to get a SV08 (or the unleased SV09..?) later to play with COREXY system because I would love to do some tinker with it.
Awesome! I love that machine too.
in this price range for flat out speed if you're doing complex models and don't need the size, the anycubic M7 pro is an amazing pick, you get a similar speed for the bolt, but you can print 8 at the same time. (in theory you should be able to print in 35 min in maximum speed on HS resin, and you should probably still be getting similar quality on Z since it's 0.2mm layer height)
note that clean up may be more involved since it's resin, but if you're doing multi part batches or models that would have a lot of hops/direction changes, it's still way faster.
and you could get the m5s for half the price, it's the one I'm currently using and it's amazing, printing multiple 10cm high models in an hour.
also cost isn't really an issue anymore, resin is around the same price as filament nowadays. (though if you are only doing very small models in 1-2 of, the cost of ppe starts to add up.)
btw I would advise against high speed resin because it's definitely not a general purpose resin, it prints fast and is extremely rigid, but that's also what causes most of the pain with it, it's relatively brittle (i.e. it will shatter if dropped from 1m+) and it will film up if it's sunny and you open the window or door. also it's almost impossible to print anything requiring flexing. though if you need a prototype in the next hour it'll do that no problem. a better one is ABS-like resin.
Thanks for sharing!
Awesome comparison !!!
FLsun T1 is the way to go for sure...
If you are looking for a delta, this T1 is just sweet!
@@LoyalMoses Absolutely !!!
FLSUN reps were pronouncing it 'Full sun" on a live stream. My v400 has been impressive but far from perfect and needs an enclosure. Would love to try a T1 or S1, but picked up the A1 mini on sale for the purpose of multi color/material.
Haha! They always tell us not to worry. They’ll respond to all the ways we pronounce it over here! 😅
S1 should be here soon!
i really really really really would love the T1 .. but the klipper software and lack of reviews got there reasons why let it slide, and build limit to but thats specific for delta .
so in the end i go back to the P1S as atleast i know that works :D
P1S is really good!
T1 is a super beast !!! I printed a lot of models with it and was very impressed .
100% agree, T1 , super fast
Awesome!
LOL The PolyTrump call was hilarious.
I got fired! 🤣
@@LoyalMoses but not indicted!
I would pick any Bambu over the other two. The user experience and ease of use is everything. I would recommend any Bambu to anyone. I even got my gf a a1mini since I got tired of using valuable print hours for hearts and pots and what not
Isn't that just awesome, that Bambu Lab ecosystem is the best user experience that exists right now.
I would be tied between the FlSunT1 and Bambu, I like the results on the FL but at same time would love to have the multi print ability the Bambu has.
1000% I agree! The T1 is so freaking cool, but the P1S is the most versatile!
100% agree!
T1, you will love this beast . When you use it to print a lot of models, you will understand why I say this
Bambulab is the most round product for me, I would buy a P1S, though I have an X1C and really hate the nozzle cooling solution.... hope there where some upgrades that really really made some improvement. dont know if P1S suffers from the same, would guess yes since they use the same tool head
For sure, it is the best all around machine on the bench if you could only have one.
Such a cool video!
Thank you!
FL Sun has mixed reviews, creality is OK for beginners wanting to test the water, but PS1 is probably the best overall at the moment. Heard Bambu looking to release larger printer this year?...what do you think Moses please?
Yup, larger printer coming... the FLSUN has been amazing for me, the updated firmware has been great, and I can't discount other experiences, but some creators LOVE the negative clicks and views, it's low hanging fruit.
@@LoyalMoses think they'll go with the low hanging fruit with a larger A bed-slinger before popping out a larger core x/y
P1S all the way!
Absolutely! Such a great machine.
Riggachad
Nah f*** that sh**, X1C is better
I love my x1 c
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I would be interested to use T1 or S1 for only for ABS project..I'm not the type to change out nozzles.. just easier to dedicate one printer for 1 type of filament..call me lazy. If not I would just buy another X1C.
You don’t have to change out a nozzle for abs on the X1C! You can definitely use the same nozzles.
@@LoyalMoses thank you.. then I guess I'll go ahead and purchase ABS filament from your Polymaker. The TPU I have from them is awesome , and the kids love how squishy it can be.
There are so many printed cooling upgrades for creality printers you would think they would have caught on by now.
I KNOW! Mrs LM was saying the same thing today while I was editing.
I would have liked to see a switchwire as bedslinger.
That would be cool!
I had started with delta 3d printers from the beginning. Real problem is after a few years is getting control board replacement parts. Results have been very accurate.
Awesome!
Kind of figured the Delta to finish first and the other 2 to be close. Now was the shell game on purpose (because you know, they’re nuts) or a happy accident? Another great informative video, sorry you were fired. 😂😂
I get fired all the time... so far just once this week! LOL
Thank you!
Great representation of how the technology has come along and capabilities they have. All 3 are good machines, but the AMS makes the deal for top pick. Maybe after seeing the video you'll get your foot back in the door of Polymaker Tower. 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks Mark! Also, hoping they’ll take me back! 😆
FLSUN's power to print circles is also it's weakness, it's having to do ADVANCED inverse kinematic computations to draw straight lines, getting XY scaling tolerances dialed in on a delta can be impossible if there are manufacturing discrepancies in arm lengths, because XY doesn't even exist! It's 3 wiggly arms in the air, doing advanced motions just to make a straight line, I'm sure it's a beast at vase mode though, and those that it's surface-tells aren't an issue, then the speed makes up for it there. Even as someone who started on an E3, I'd also pick the P1, fully enclosable, future AMS, Core XY motion has too many benefits over bedslinger. That said I just got a A1 mini, because It's a complete AMS solutions for less than the P1 alone. Impressed with it's speed and quality already. Some of the best first layers and I haven't had to tweak a darn thing..just magic.
I think the most amazing thing here is that we have 3 very capable machines producing great results as these speeds. What a time to be in 3D printing!!! Thank you for taking the time to comment! 💜
the formula isn't that complex, it's just square roots and additions/multiplications*, if I'm not mistaken it runs on the rockchip RV1109 which is a dual core at 1.5Ghz, calculating the kinematics is probably at most 50 clock cycles, that means you can do 30M calculations per second, a tmc2209 has a frequency of around 50khz, so 150k calculations is enough to keep up with the drivers.
so tl;dr yes it's more complex but it's a non issue to the point that you can run a lot of overhead on top
*it's a pain to calculate, but once the calculation is done, the required computation is relatively trivial on any modern processor.
@@satibel I know a reasonable bit about IK, I should have been more careful what words I emphasize. My biggest issue is all the artifacts that get generated trying to turn such an unconstrained system BACK into a planar printer again. It just seems like a waste of core potential to simply go, slightly faster. I'd love to see one of these delta printer companies go ham and build a full stewart platform with slicer support that can tilt and become the defacto for non-planar printing at home.
I would choose the Bambu A1 over the Ender v3. You would be seeing those under extrusion issues with the flow calibrated A1. I want to print, not tinker.
We have a video coming that we are filming right now with the A1 and the Ender 3 V3! Also, you are right, a lot of people just want to print and not mess with their printers.
My first machine was a cheap delta. I never was able to get a good print out of it. Partly because of my inexperience, but also because the machine suked. :) I am considering the Flsun. I really want one that will just print out of the box. But I don't like Bambu because it requires the internet to live up to its full potential. And I don't like the slinger because the design is inefficient. I had an ender knockoff for a while, and it was okay for some things, but it required constant attention to keep it working properly. I like the delta design for its efficiency and speed. The V400 has a direct drive extruder, so that's a plus as well.
Thanks for sharing! Let me know what you choose!
i would go with a p1s ......oh again^^ . i allrdy have one. the overall user exp. from bambu is way better than all my machines befor had
Haha! Awesome! Perfect choice and I agree, user experience is far better!
Great video Loyal! The T1 is impressive. How would you rank its speed against the Sovol SV08?
Thanks! Oh, it's far faster than the SV08 but the SV08 is a more general purpose printer with a much larger build volume.
P1S all day but I think Bambu may need to match that 499 price of FLSUN
Heck yeah! Everything has changed!
IT WOULD BE COOL IF HE CALLED YOU FOR REAL.. KEKS AWESOME!
Hopefully NOT to fire me! LOL
I've had so many issues with the Flsun printer I have mainly with getting it dialed in. I have destroyed my bed trying to get it to printer successfully. Selling it. Just not worth the aggravation. I am going wtih Bamboo. We plan on getting an A1 and a P1s.
Oh no, that's never good to hear. Which FLSUN printer was it? I don't blame you for going with a Bambu machine, they are awesome.
@@LoyalMoses I have a QQ. I have dialed in the z offset but it looks like every slicer overrides that setting and drives the nozzle into the bed. Wierd. I don't understand it at all.
SHOCKED that you didn't check interchangeability. Doh! Nice video other wise
These comparisons are always about print quality, or at least as close as I can get to the user experience.
@@LoyalMoses agreed, but it would’ve been nice to see if the black one fit into the red one and the red one fit into the blue one and the blue one fit into the black one. That would show if the printers are printing accurately which I think is what you were looking for
I remember thinking that when I watched it after it was published... in-fact if you watch the next video I did on the A1 and V3, I literally did that... sometimes we don't see the forest through the trees in the script or edit! I will make sure I do more of it for sure.
Did you slice on the Bambu with Arachne wall generator? That is by far the best choice when printing the circles like that bolt. It would be my choice for that model by far (and most models) The other thing. With Polysonic, you could bump that to Sport mode with no issues at all and speed up the print. I may have to print that same model on my printer with polysonic in sport mode sliced with Arachne and see the speed/quality for comparison.
Try it! See if the quality remains with it being even faster. I sliced it all moderately to ensure they were printing within their respective normal speeds.
The delta is just so much fun!
great vid
Thank you so much!!!
Smh love you LM.. hate the voice you used. Otherwise great video! Still need get me a P1S
Thanks! It was a funny voice! No reason to hate! 😆
wish you could dial them all down to 50 minutes print time and then really check print quality
It's a comparison of experience and quality. If you have to slow some down or speed others up, then it isn't fair at all.
Apologies if i missed it, but did you run the P1S at standard 300mm/s or the "ludicrous" 500mm/s setting?
It's advertised as 500mm/s, but that's not what you're getting by default
I ran them at their "normal" speeds. So it was around 300mm/s for the V3 and the P1S and the T1 was around 600 to 700mm/s
I have a Bambu X1C that had a heated sensor cable that failed on me. When trying to repair the X1C on my own I may have caused an issue with the plastic plug in housing, (still trying to figure this out). So my "best" performing 3D printer is out of service and I have no way to get it fixed unless I get lucky and do it myself successfully. I am shopping for a 3D printer and am hesitant to buy another Bambu product because I am afraid that I lost a lot of money on my X1C knowing that I may never be able to bring it back into operating condition. I guess it is pretty much the same with all 3D printers, once they break down, you're on your own. So no-one mentions the repairability of 3D printers and I was wondering if you hav e thoughts on the difficulty level of repairs out there, (might make a great video). Any thoughts?
Me personally, I’m not too concerned with repairing something - I can’t repair my PS5 when it breaks… I know that is a concern for some, just not me really.
I just hope we keep moving forward and printers get better and better. You have to admit, we are doing so much better than ever before with them right now.
salut , p1s sans hésité , merci pour cette vidéo .......................
Thank you! Merci!
What's that orange and black and white keyboard you have there? I'd like to look it up!
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@@LoyalMoses thanks man!
P1S…. It’s the only one that can do multiple color and it has a great track record… for me at least.
It’s an incredible machine!
If the print quality is that close together and the Creality is at least $150 cheaper than FL Sun and $250 cheaper than the Bambu Labs, I would take the Creality for the bigger build volume. It's 30% bigger than the P1S and almost twice the size of the T1, ON THE PLATE. Most people hardly ever max out their build height. The FL Sun has a circular build plate which really limits how big of a square you print on it. I don't print near as many large round objects as I do large square or oblong objects. To top it all off, the Creality and the P1S will print larger round objects than the FL Sun. If printing long skinny objects, the Creality can go over 420mm diagonally, the wider the shorter you can print. When it comes to noise levels, the FL Sun is atrocious. It sounds like a jet engine on steroids. The P1S with the cabinet closed is probably the quietest. Speed is nice, but not as big a factor as print quality and price.
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Oh and I like them all... even the delta (lol)
Wow! Really?! I had no idea about all of that and the number 33! My reason is way more simple! Nobody has guessed it right yet! 😁
Speed isn’t everything, quality counts more than just super fast printing. I typically slow down my Bambu printers unless I don’t care about loss in quality.
I agree! But not everyone feels the same way.
Are they good for minuatures or still begind resin? I am worried about the toxic fumes but only print out tiny ones.
Resin is still the best option for miniatures. FDM can work, but you just won't have that tiny detail or really smooth prints without post processing.
I now have a favorite printer! All of the above........If only my wallet was as bottomless as the options of Polymaker's filament!!
Haha! I know that feeling! I want them all!
Delta printers are very good for printing round shaped objects like bolts and threads. It is very hard to make any decision by this video. Why not to compare printers by benchy and other standard things... Would like to see noise comparison of this printers too. Not sure if T1 is good for home prints because of many complaints about noise for its parent model
Go watch my T1 Pro video!
yeah but wich one is most relible? easier to repair or maintain ? I think this need to be taken in to consideration to. Tnx for video.
And documentation? BL wiki is comprehensive. I've never got decent support/documentation or my FLSun. And while it was great when new, a short time later it started getting leveling problems (crashes while leveling), inaccuracy leveling and poor consistency of prints. As a result it is no longer used.
@@NickBR57 FLSun has a dedicated wiki and a whole line of youtube videos on a seperate channel, that go over each component replacement and common troubleshooting and tips. They have a heavily active discord and an official facebook group where after-sales engineers respond to each support question and issue. Whatever old FLSun you had, it's quite different today with the T1 and S1. I own the S1.
@@protonus None of which helped with my issues. Reflash the firmware was their only answer and it did nothing
I think this is a GREAT idea for a separate video, I’ll come up with a good format and do it!!! Thanks for sharing!
Documentation along with support are so important, let’s hope they get better at it.
I think you should have timed the printers with thier native startup routines. I know that the 5 minute startup time of Bambu printers is an issue for a lot of people and it would have made the comparison of the machines more of real everyday use statistics. At this point im feeli that we are seeing the age of Bambu's lineup starting to show. That P1s was the most expensive yet slowest of the 3. Also the top of the Bambu screw had a very nasty print line across it. Neither of the other two had that....Also the V3 is going to be compatible with the new multicolor unit from Creality. That per their annoucement of the k2
Bambu is definitely focused on quality over speed and user experience over switches and buttons.
@@LoyalMoses But thats the thing. Thier quality is no better and actually not as good as that T1 , i mean your own tests showed that. And other machines are just as easy to use. Look at the Flashforge 5m....$299 and it has better quality on average then the P1P or P1S and theres reviewers that have shown this. Bambu 2 years ago was amazing....Now they are aged out and overpriced compared to other newer printers. That happens with any electronics. You dont modernize or update then you get left behind. The PiP should be $249 the P1S $399 and the X1C with AMS should be $799....
Shouldnt the thumbnail say “bedslinger” over the Ender?
It’s a CoreXZ, so both terms work! Which do you think would be better, or attract more people?
@@LoyalMoses ohh i didnt see that it was XZ…. My mistake lol im just used to the “bedslinger.” Its fine the way it is lol
Awesome!
Planning to buy a printer. And studying how to use it. What is the program to use for these machines? Is it included?
The slicer is the program used to prepare a model for printing, and recently what you use to send a print to a printer over the network if you aren’t going to use a USB stick or SD card.
OrcaSlicer is a common one for general use, Bambu Studio is for Bambu Lab printers primarily and there are others like Cura, and PrusaSlicer as well.
Completely left out the fact that the V3 is getting a CFS upfit in the not too distant future
Not until it’s tested and working and I can see results first hand.
But it's still a Creality.
Bambu p1s. Already have 2 of them. Run 1000+ hours on all 3 of those machines and the p1s will still be printing great. The creality will give you nothing but headaches. Well at least thats my experience.
Those P1Ss are SOOO nice! I really want more people to experience them. I hear that a lot about Creality of course, but times are changing and Bambu has had a real impact on the industry, driving a lot of these companies forward on the hardware, software and even support.
Spot on.
What do we do with our old enders?
Upgrade the heck out of them!
Still not as good
I know! It’s crazy how good everything is now!
@@LoyalMoses I have a e3 pro and v2 and dont know what to do with them since I have a A1, anyone have any ideas?
That's a great idea! Are you in the discord? Maybe we can give you some ideas!
So the T1 is faster and cheaper and has better print quality than the P1S? I think there is a clear winner. (Unless you count the size as a negative.)
If only it were that simple. The overall experience is more important than the individual traits. The P1S will produce better prints more reliably and the slicing, management and multi-color experience also put it ahead in all aspects. The T1 is fast, and for prototyping and also just for pure joy at this speed, the T1 is amazing!
if I had the spare cash it would be the bambu
Excellent choice! Can’t go wrong with it.
Call ends with, "You're fired", and LM says it was " a good call" interesting.
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Should've threw the SV08 in this too
And had two corexy machines in it?
The size of that FLSun 😂
It's SOOO BIG! and It's not even the S1, which is HUGER!
@@LoyalMoses I own the S1. It looks like something an alien civilization would leave in the middle of the desert and our primitive ancestors would worship around it. I had to cut the cabinets in my work shop to fit it. Every time I open the door to my shop it's like seeing an entire car parked on my bench, it's shocking. But I do love it :-)
Haha! This is SOOOOO awesome! I want one!
Where did you get that Atari shirt?
Amazon I think!
Oh i wish i have gotten p1s instead of p1p. Now upgrade costs 200$
Do you recommend the a1 mini or t1
Vastly different. Mini has multi color option, and is super inexpensive.
Why compare two enclosed printers to one not enclosed? Wouldn't it make sense to have done the K1's instead?
Because people are out there trying to find the right printer for them!
@@LoyalMoses Why not compare it to the A1 then? And other open printers? Just thinking that way it's apples to apples across the board.
Can’t I do all the comparisons? More than 1 video is a thing. 😁
Wow... I didn't know Tr8mp was working for Polymaker 🤣 (have you marked the checkbox on YT about AI being used to portray famous people doing things they never did?) ANYWAYS, I agree with you about the T1: it is a very fun printer to put together and use - and the folks that visited my workshop were mesmerised by how it works - the speed (and the noise is also impressive). I like mine - but the S1 looking unfinished brought a lot of negativity around both the S1 and T1, which is a pity. I liked my T1 a lot.
He fired me! LOL - Yes, definitely clicked that checkbox, I was looking for a reason to do it since they added it! :-)
I am loving this T1, especially after the last couple of firmware updates and I agree that the S1 brought a lot of negative attention because S1/T1 are so easily confused. It's just an all around fun machine. Thanks for chiming in!
Okay, about the ender 3 V3, what is the advantage of a core xz system over traditional bedslinger?
Having the x motor on the bridge seems to me is not limiting the speed of the machine, because of the limited movement of the z axis. Can anybody explain this to me?
Ps: P1S owner here, and never regretted getting one.
P1S is an amazing machine!
As for the corexz system... two motors work together rather than one alone, so the movement becomes very efficient, faster and more precise. Additionally, it reduces weight on the x-gantry which helps limit vibrations and wobble. It can also be a cost savings as well depending on how it is manufactured.
Thanks, that cleares up a lot.
It’s worth buying. It’s crazy fast & super nice print quality. Buy directly from Creality, not Amazon.
P1S
Great choice!
If I slow down T1 to P1S, will the quality be better?
Yes, absolutely! I think A LOT of people miss that as an option. We don't have to run these printers are these high speeds all the time. Reducing speed will absolutely increase quality! Appreciate you asking!
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@@LoyalMoses I can follow directions...
... some times! 🤣🤣🤣
Haha!
Lmao, nice skit
Another way to describe corexz is corexy on its side lol.
What skit? That's how all of my conference calls go! LOL
@@LoyalMoseslmao we need one of those calls on the live streams please 😂
Haha!
I can’t believe trump works for poly maker
Ha
so 349 wins an open bed slinger vs 1k + printers and with a name ender hahahah
Crazy isn’t it?! Everything has changed! Also, think about where we’ll be in a couple of more years with printers and materials. 🤯
I vote for Core XY as the best overall system for current generation of printers. Delta config is too mathematically and mechanically complex for my taste, and I imagine it would be a nightmare to incorporate sophisticated algorithms related to resonance compensation, input shaping, motor noise reduction etc. Besides, just look at the size of this monster. Almost half of its volume is used by the mechanism. Not very efficient use of space, and I also have reservations about reliability (particularly of the links, which require very high long-term precision under stress). As for Core XZ, I don't see the point of having a fast Z axis. 99 percents of the time the printing head needs to move in XY plane, and that's where speed matters. Z is only used when advancing to the next layer, and sometimes for short distance Z-hopping. No need to be ultra-fast on that axis at all.
Second point: there are not many filaments which can reliably print at 250 mm/s, let alone 1000 mm/s. I personally don't print from PLA except when I need to test something, as it is too thermally unstable and prone to sagging. As for other, more practical materials, the vast majority of them don't print well at super high speeds, so the Delta here doesn't have an advsntage. And the third printer has open frame so it is also not well suited for such materials (albeit for a different reason).
So, between these three, I would choose at P1S without hesitation. Besides, maybe it's just me, but even in this video I like the look of the part it produced more then the other two, despite the author's comments.
CoreXZ isn't just about the motion speed, but also reducing weight and vibration on Z as well - so there is still a small benefit, even if minimal there.
As for filaments - I am receiving new PLAs right now that are rated at 800mm/s and this coming week I will have several rated for 1200mm/s - everything is changing, and the recipes for all of these base filaments will soon be high speed. Even Bambu Lab doesn't have "high speed" filament, because ALL of their filament is high speed.
But yes, I agree the P1S is just the better general purpose machine. Still LOVE the way the delta moves though, my gosh I love it.
Thank you for sharing!
@@LoyalMoses I'm still not convinced about the advantages of Core XZ -- maybe I'll change my mind when variable-Z-layer (forgot the exact term) printing becomes more commonplace than it is now. Until then, I don't think the Z axis matters much as long as it's statically stable and precise.
Regarding speeds -- like I said, I don't use PLA for most of my prints, so I guess we have different use cases here. I certainly don't mind waiting a bit longer if at the end I get a quality print with good layer adhesion. For rapid prototyping, I agree that speed matters a lot, and could be a determining factor -- I just don't do much of prototyping, I mostly print functional parts for my electro-mechanical projects, using ASA, PA, ABS, TPU and the likes. In any case, I am about to test my theories soon as my new P1S should arrive in the mail today.
I also understand how cool it must be to watch a working Delta. When I was a child, I was mesmerized by electric typewriters -- modern laser printers are so boring in comparison 😀
Thanks for the interesting discussion!
It all depends on your needs and understanding of the technology. If I need multicolor printing, I’d definitely go with the P1S. But if saving time is my priority, I’d definitely choose the T1.
Trumpmaker filament HAHAHAHAHAHA
Hahaha!
I would not purchase any of these printers because you haven't revealed the warranty or reliability to get parts and support from. Nor did you reveal if its open source or not.
Looks like you can type, so you can look that up yourself!