How to ride your motorcycle FASTER! Sportbikes, Trackdays, or Racing
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Want to learn how to ride your motorcycle faster? This is the video for you! Whether you ride sportbikes on the street, do trackdays, or race - this video shares unique perspectives and riding techniques that GoGo uses to get around a racetrack FASTER, SAFER, and wth more CONTROL.
Learn better bike control. See proof of countersteering via data acquisition. And realize that going slower here, is a critical part of going faster there.
Want to improve your 1290 Superduke R, RR, or EVO - go to superduked.com/
Where I buy all my KTM bikes and parts: mach1motorsports.com
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Timestamps
0:00 - Intro
1:43 - Many Riding Styles
4:31 - Proactive VS Reactive riding
5:54 - Becoming Conscious
9:24 - Counter Steering
18:48 - Searching For Speed
31:49 - Go Slow to go Fast
39:14 - Get it In, Get it Turned, Get it Out
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I instructed Hundreds of Track day Fellows in Taupo New Zealand many years ago, sometimes up to 180 riders a day in some cases with actual National Champions as guest coaches for help with the numbers. Anyway my standard guarantee was to any track guy, street rider, beginner Racer if you hired me for 4hrs I'd cut 10 seconds off your best lap time or no Charge. I don't believe in Classroom Bullshit, I could trick my students into going so far out of their comfort zone without them noticing, first just gaining their confidence and just me watching every move they made weather they were following me or them. When they started to realize that they could stay up with me I'd dial it up ever so gently over laps with them following me they'd find a new comfort zone without noticing. By the end of the 4hrs it was always more than 10 Seconds Hahaha 🏴☠️🏁
Teaching well is a gift. Nice work
Hi fred, do u still do it, or recommend someone else, cheers
@@swarn303 Na Mate Sorry 😑
Two time world super bike champ Fred Merkel, it would have been awesome to go through your class.
amazing
I only started riding motorcycles late in life - at age 50, 4 years ago. I’ve now worked my way up to fast group at our GP track and I try to do at least one track day or training course per month. Absolutely love videos like this which allow me to progress so much faster than just trial and error, or even worse, just doing the same thing over and over every time.
"over and over the same way every time" Boy did you just nail that one squarely on the head. I call it "riding lazy". Happens to so many of us. I leave the track way more satisfied when I enter it with an attitude to go places I've not been before.
This video is pure gold! To all the young guys wanting to skip a level - watch it again!
I still remember one day in the pool at the Thunderhill Hotel. You told me something that helped me get faster immediately. I pondered this all night because it didn’t make sense at first but you told me “you’re using the brakes too much. Brakes only slow you down” you brought me to my greatest revelation of racing: Use as light and as little brakes as possible to achieve the perfect apex and perfect exit. Still haven’t got it perfect, but much closer! Great video GoGo
Although it goes back almost 40 years, the book "A Twist Of The Wrist" is still a good read.
100%
It must've been a sign for the motorcycle gods that I landed on your video. I've been riding now going on 4 years, with 2 of those on the track as well. I can see now that I've been going at 100% each session, each turn and hearing what you are saying about counter steering and purposfully going slow, makes sense and I hope to remember your words and apply them to next track season. I look forward to more of your videos
Thank you for joining the conversation @thejollimotopino. And for watching. Together Everyone Achieves More. 👊
Love this video! Great to see you and Derek! Looking forward to the next one.
I love how you add pnboard photage as examples! Awesome learning as allways! Thank you Eric!
Stumbled upon your video and as a newer track rider myself I thoroughly enjoyed it! Your stories and commentary added a great touch. I’m a student of YCRS and really enjoyed how you broke down some of the concepts. Thanks for sharing. Subscribed for more 👍🏻
This is a great format, learned a lot this video. Please make a more detailed video about how to turn the bike quickly, like the way you talked about consciously pushing the bike underneath and applying the pressure on the bar while releasing the break simultaneously.....many thanks, cheers
OK I will do this. Promise
Thanks GoGo and also huge thanks for taking one for the team Derek! 😁 This a great topic and it's a video I'll come back to as the new track day season approaches. I've been trying to go faster through bends in exactly the wrong way... just as you've described it.
More to come my friend. Promise. Thanks for watching and contributing with inspiration for the next episode
That's a new chapter Eric. Unexpected one but ohhh so welcome. Still 4 months before the first trackday. Please please give us some more 😊
Loving the concepts you shared here GoGo, it's easy to get caught up in going 100% all the time and 'dealing with it when it happens' but the real wisdom comes with knowing what will happen (if you strategize properly) and what needs to happen. I recently launched my own channel to keep track of my improvements as a track rider (and future racer) and despite making a lot of improvement I still feel like a complete newbie. Subscribed and looking forward to learning more.
Weekend track rider here, you freaking nailed it on the head. I’d say 80% of my track sessions I’m just going 100% and being reactive to just about everything. This was a great discussion that we all needed to hear. I ride and am just constantly trying to push the limit causing me to be late on entry and then late on braking for the next corner.
I'm right there with you brother. Or, I was right there with you. "There is a better way." Stoked the effort struck a nerve. Now think about it, like I do. ...Always
This is all gold!!!trackday rider here for 30+ years, been a track instructor, not the fastest guy but do ok. Love the style of the video, I’m sure very helpful to all that view. 👍👍
Respect
Love seeing a new video from you. Good stuff.
Incredible value, proactively choose the point to where to go slowest, also the paradigm with the raw talent was gold. Havent seen anywhere (in utube vids) the data graph with the steering input, breaks, lean angles, another good one how Derek was losing the apex.
Really useful information, I hope there will be usage of those things in next episodes too! Greetings from Greece.
Thanks especially for the raw talent reference. I doubt myself a lot, concerned maybe I shouldn't go off on tangents like that. But I feel value in them. Glad you did as well. I'm happy you enjoyed the efforts and find them valuable. More to come. Promise
Ready for part two, love the information
Fantastic vid! Really enjoyed it looking forwards to part 2!
Stumbled across this. GoGo, that single year of racing in 2010 with the SuperDuke and that TriValley team was the pinnacle of everything I did in 40+ years of riding. I remember your one piece of advice/demand; “Don’t come back to the racetrack with that DOT front tire.” That Michelin V slick front changed everything. That, and the Super RJL Vesrahs.
Glad to see you are still going at it. I miss the camaraderie of the paddock more than anything.
I miss you brother (animal). :-)
Watching from South Africa. Just bought my first trackbike. I havent been on track in a year and just finished my first 8 hour endurance race. Trial by fire but I loved it. This coming year I will be focusing on getting alot of practice laps and getting faster to prepare for my first season in 2025. So this series couldnt have come at a better time for me. Thank you please keep them coming. I subscribed and all ears😁
Thanks for contributing, and great job on your race. I promise, more to come. Soon.
Great video so much to learn 🙌
Gogo, thank you for this channel and all this amazing information!
Thanks for watching and I'm glad you got something out of it. More to come
You cant be a champ if you dont keep looking at what can make you faster, great vid again Gogo
This is the first time I clearly understood what slowing down to go fast truly means. You can literally blow corners so minutely you dont really realize it. All because you didnt let the bike finish turning.
That's the way I understand it too (now). But I didn't always. In fact just hearing Kenny Roberts say that so long ago kind of pissed me off even. Because it made no sense to me then. But it does now.. Thanks for your time Fred.
Nice vid. I've come back to bikes from karts and every single one of your points is valid for both. Racing is racing and you've got to respect the vehicle as it contends with the laws of physics
This is interesting, your karts comment. Bunch of roadracers and me went indoor karting and of course I was trying too hard to go too fast, everywhere. I was sideways all over, going in, through, and coming out. Really working hard and getting nowhere. Finally I slowed down and went straight to the top of the board.
This video is awesome! More riding tips videos please. Cheers
Before getting my licence and my Ninja 250, one of my fellow employees who raced motocross talked about putting weight on the outside peg to get around the corner faster. I think it was a way to get more tire connected to the dirt but I could see it being a way also to turn without leaning as much; avoiding that low siding.
Thanks, I enjoyed that talk.
I used to be a Cross country ski racer and was quite familiar with guys passing me and just shaking my head.
I hear you on the getting passed thing. Also on the weighting the outside peg thing. It's just a matter of when.. Like everything else. It's never easy is it
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and years of experience from your mistakes so we can benefit! Life, motorcycles, and racing are a journey and a fun one at that!!
Top quality advice
This was awesome! I'm a rookie racer, just finished my 2nd season and this was some great advice! I take this with me for the next season!
There you go! 👊
Glad I found your channel!
Thank GoGo! Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast!
Great video, I can’t wait for next one 👍 ,Derek is lucky to get coaching from you.
Sometimes being a punching bag can have perkes
The best advice I’ve heard in a while and haven’t heard before is choosing where the slowest part of the turn will be. I think it’s going to be a game changer for me, can’t wait to try it out! Subscription earned.
You just made my day brother. Thank you.
Many disciplines can benefit from the slower is faster methodology. Excellent tip. Thank you
Thank you Sir! I know now, more than ever, I have been doing many things wrong for decades. I learned so much during this one video!!!!
So glad to hear this Alex. Thanks for watching
This is fantastic. Love the discussion of proactive versus reactive. At over 50 years of age, riding (more or less) since I was 7, I've only in the last few years started riding more proactively. It is a game changer.
Same here Curtis. I get what you're saying - 100% game changer.
Appreciate your take on explaining the process of riding the most efficiently= speed. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Perfect video to end 2023! It's a talent to just sit down and talk and engage an audience for 40 minutes... you have that talent (I am jealous! :-)) - please keep using it! Wonderful insights. It is funny that you picked Laguna Seca to explain what happens during counter steering because turn 1 taught me that insights after years after riding. If you can't control your bike through turn 1 you can never get a decent laptime at LS (fun fact: Jonathan Rea was asked what the most intimitating turn on the WSBK Super bike calendar is and his answer was: "turn 1 at LS!"). I wish you and your loved ones a great and fast 2024!!!
The thing about Laguna's turn 1 is, the faster you go the worse it becomes...
hii from Bulgaria 🎉just started watching until this guy with that amazing humor said its 3 o'clock and I turned my eyes to the clock and hey its 3;15 lol😮😅 cant wait 2hear what this brother has2 offer ❤
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Great video Eric
Thanks!
At 41:00 you perfectly described my first crash at NJMSP Thunderbolt. Not done turning but now have to get on the gas....oh sh!!!t
After that I started doing Keith Code trackdays almost 14 years ago. Being a former flight test engineer/pilot it was always about the data. Cobbled a data recorder onto a bike and asked him, his instructor Coby and his son Dillon to walk me through the data with video. Cutting edge back then.
You make a great point that a lot of people spend a lot of time trying to go faster, without objective data understand what was really going on around the track.
"Oh shit..." only God knows how many times I've yelled that into my helmet from 12 feet in the air.. I"m sorry brother, I felt, I feel, and I will continue to feel your pain (which is also my pain). "There is a better way". Thanks for watching. More to come
Top job 💪💪💪💪💪💪
Great insight and overview! I think it can all be too easy to get caught up in the details but the data brings a whole new level of understanding. Would love to see an onboard with your narration and data. My biggest problem is spending too long on the side of the tyre which might be fine on a 250cc but not on a 1000cc! Would love to hear your views (and probably more relevant to the counter steer discussion) on how to get it turned better.
Keep up the great work
I'm on it Alex. Soon. Thanks for watching
Excellent explanation of moving the bike out opposed to muscling the bike over when counter steering
You can tell watching riders go through switchbacks, who is counter-steering purposefully, and who is not. Purposefully, the bike jumps side to side beneath them. Not, they slowly bend side to side like a sailboat tacking on a warm summer day. ...I obviously need a tropical getaway
Amazing video Great tips THANK YOU so much 🎉
Thank you! :)
@superduked33 No thank you very much getting better lean Angles
Eric is spot on here and I can say I’ve also done everything mentioned in this video when I was racing as a Novice and even today as an expert. This sport has challenged me more than anything else in life mentally and physically! I can also say that I’ve passed GoGo during a race a couple times albeit short lived by the end of the race 😅. Cheers to you Eric! I hope this series does well. AFM#77
Awesome. 77 in the house.. Thanks for passing (I mean contributing). Nothing makes racers faster than being passed. :-)
Excellent video
Thank you very much!
I trained few times with Simon Crafar and Troy Corser. The big difference is not that they are miles faster than most other instructors, it wouldn’t probably make a difference in my case, but you get this trust package, you know they won’t get you in trouble when you push your limit and follow them faster than ever before. Simon is a fantastic dude as well.
I have been riding im not the fastes but i think i had potencial.Thanks for all of this explenations finaly some one have smart talk and aproache to what ridign meens .Before this a lot of things didnt so clear for me keep up the good work 🙂
More to come my friend. Thanks for watching
🍻 thank you for sharing yr knowledge.....
My pleasure Jim. Thanks for joining the conversation
@superduked33 I been a subscriber since you has probably 250 subs.....haven't missed a single episode.. when u were running gen2 were u running stock ecu?
@@jimjim753 yes, for two seasons it was stock ecu with power commander bullshit piled on top of it. Then I had Shiv tune it on a dyno out here for my third season on it. I’m not sure the power commander kit did anything. I haven’t let anyone touch my gen3
@superduked33 I been rippen stock ecu... 55k 30+trackdays....I recently bump up to advanced group....stock tune vs the other superdukes in advanced.....they eat me up.. ..
Ok Gogo I did what you asked. Liked and subscribed. 2023 My first year on track on the east coast. Thank you for this video i have watched it a few times Learned and laughed a lot! PROACTIVE
Good deal Sean. More to come, and thanks for watching
@@superduked33 Gogo just checking in coach .
good insights here! when my financial ship comes in, I'll be at nearby VIR for every trackday and take every lesson possible. your discussion about the lines is helpful. there may be no best line for everyone. your point about how we are all built differently is important. i've always been very stiff and if i didn't take yoga, i'd not be able to ride sportbikes. funny how so many people remark that us older riders are unexpected on sportbikes, probably because most americans don't maintain a sports physique.
I hadn't done a trackday for too many years when I went out last year on the full course. i realized that i was riding like on the street; making sure the turns were clear! of course they were! instructor said i was riding in "safe mode", LOL. I ride quickly on the street but try to leave a margin in case of the unexpected. this is something every street rider should do, of course. the best thing about one's first trackday is realizing how dangerous the road is. i suspect everyone slows down on the street after then.
All true, well said. For me, riding on track calms me on the street. Gets the intense out of your system. More appropriate, safer. Both have their time and their place.
I didn’t Al Pacino raced motorcycles. I swear you sound like Pacino in the movie heat. Lol. Anyhoo, awesome explanation, awesome video. Thanks so much.
You just explained my first track day. 😂 great work bud.
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Yo E! Great vid. What are the boxes you’re sitting on?
The amount of good advices in this video is unbelievable, i have still the feeling that when you speek with other riders and start to talk about counter steering they watching you like you are a conspiracy theorist with aluminium hat 🤣🤣🤣 is crazy how everyone tell you different things and you get your mind mixed and you don't understand gow to ride faster, how to enter the corner, what to do when you are in and how to exit , this is the main secret of riding fast on track, is unbelievable that nobady say this plain straight like is a secret
I have to say as a former racer in his 50s this is a great vid. I guess I got lucky, as my dad wouldn't let me have a tricycle when I was young. We were to broke so I started out on a little kids bike at 2 and some change. So counter steering just came natural, but I could see how that would mess alot of people up. BTW , you should do a vid on brake feathering into a corner. When I learned that and the rear brake , it lets you really dial in the corners. Bigger bikes I not sure if its a thing but it sure was on my 125s,250s , 400cc and 600cc'S. Well anyways great video!!
PS.: I also wanted to second your experience on the Superduke. I am your age and riding my whole life. But I have learned more about riding in the last 3 years on the Superduke (with your guidance) than all the decades before. The bike was a huge challenge to get dialed in but now I love it (and I still feel being a little bit better than the bike :-))!
Fantastic brother. I am so glad to hear this. I also felt lost on the Gen3 in the beginning. Really made me question my ability. Glad to hear sharing the results of my struggles helped you too. Motorcycles are people glue
Great way of explaining counter steering - moving the wheels over to create lean. I've never seen this demonstrated better than Rossi vs Marquez at Philip Island if I remember correctly. Marquez was being aggressive as usual and ended up in a position tight on the outside next to Rossi - and Rossi went for the turn (probably a bit early...maybe intentionally) and took Marquez out when the wheels moved over. I forgot which season it was, but I'm guessing 2014.
100% I remember and agree Samanta. Vinales is a very deliberate countersteer-er too. Sometimes violently enough to crash, which he did do once years ago. I don't remember the track but it was through a chicane, all by himself. No one mentioned countersteering in the commentary but it was obvious what had happened. Like my Dad used to say, "Too much of a good thing can turn it into a bad thing."
This is avesome.
I do track days and I suck at going fast so this is extremely interesting.
We all suck at going fast, relative to those who don't. Be kind to yourself. Words matter. One step at a time. One proactive step at a time...
@@superduked33 My big problem is lack of patience.
I go to the track thinking this time I'll slow it down a little and try to work on certain parts of riding.
3 laps later... Full gass, on the brakes as late and as hard as I dare and just trying to grind out fast laps with Zero regards to actually learning or improving.
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@@wiwwee1 I can relate to that. Did it that way forever. The thing is it's really hard to improve that way, because you never get to refine your craft. It's more like you're navigating your way through a 47 car pileup on the highway just trying to survive out there. Tough way to learn, anything. ...Also, without a bike that has it's chassis in the right place for YOU, it's doubly hard to refine your craft.
Please do more of these
These videos are just packed with secret knowledge
Great video and what a lucky bugger Derek is receiving 1:1 tuition from you! I’ll volunteer if you cross the pond 🇬🇧
I'm IN
When I was racing 1993 to 1996 rgv250 production motorcycle, slight mods from stock , jetting , suspension , external gearing , tyres and pressures, looking back I wish I had access to the kind of info that is about today the only thing I learned was that at the max pressure I was running was the max I could use before the tyres became slippery I never went lower , I just followed the norm of all the other bikes by lowering it over the forks a bit , never raised the rear or had the front at stock ride height , gearing was not to difficult , but a few more combinations may have been better , the biggest thing I found was that my bike was a street bike that I doubled with and I unknowingly took all the rear sag out by winding preload onto the rear spring , that unloaded the front made for some really unnerving front slides , I had one big slide on the front at amaroo park in sydney , got talking to an a grader he looked at my bike told me to wind the rear spring off, never told me why so I still didn’t know , no measurements, the more I wound the rear spring off the better the front stuck to the point I was able to change my riding style to suit the bike , wasn’t till only a few years ago that I got to understand about rear sag settings , my 1098s Ducati has given me an e-Ducati-on small changes can make massive diffferences to how a motorcycle can change
Looser is faster, to me, because you can influence the bike with your body. Good job on the Ducati I miss them
Thank you for the great video. Just subscribed. Do you prefer flat bars to clip on's in terms of steering input ?
I prefer WIDE, be they clip-ons or bars. Think abou it - the wider they are the more they move (so the more warning you get) when you lose the front.. PRICELESS
Awesome video . I hope you do more content. I am a new track Day Rider . I got a few questions on what's the best place to get some of your gear for your motorcycle any input that you can give me would help me along . I would greatly appreciate it. God bless you and I hope you have a great race year ahead of u
If by "gear" you mean the race parts that improve the Superduke, go to Superduked.com. If by gear you mean leathers, to go Vansonleathers.com They are my favorite by far.
The 3 takeaways I am writing so that I remember them: 1) Don’t be reactive, be proactive. Flat out forces your hand, slow down. Notice your breathing, tenseness. 2) Be conscious of what you are doing. Eg. Think about the counter steer. 3) Use speed strategically, i.e. going slower into a turn will help you get the bike turned sooner so you can get on the throttle. Note to self this also sets you up better for the next turn. It also avoids a crash in the apex.
Just from watching the videos I could see this in action. Superdukes bike was always turned on the apex sooner and he was back on the throttle sooner. There were no reactive moves.
Snowmobiles perfect counter steering🤘🏽
please make a video about set up for 990 super Duke 💪
Interesting.
Glad you think so!
Hello Superduked, hope this message finds you well. I am curious if you have any experience with the 890R by any chance? I see you have a vast amount of experience with the 1290 r. O have been riding since I was 19 y.o. now in my early 30's but havent been riding much at all for the past 3-4 years, lofe getting in the way haha. My reason for asking if you have experience with the 890r is I am looking to getting back into riding. I currently have a 600RR but wanted to get into something slightly more upright. I would love a 1290R or the new 1390R but I think thats alot of bike for me personally. I will be doing mostly street riding would like to start going to track days but have no experience as of yet on the track. I would like to hear your thoughts on the 890R if you have any experience with them if not what are your thoughts on the 1290R, if possible could you lend a suggestion. Thank you for your time and excellent videos thus far.
Hey! I’ve been doing track days for a few months now and I’m signed up for afm racing this summer. I was wondering if you ever ride in California because I would love to meet you. I have little guidance and I’m only 18 but I have a lot of passion and a lot of speed. So I would just like to meet you and ppl like you who have such great advice!
I do ride in California, but only on racetracks. I get a little too stupid to ride on these roads, they're a little too inviting for my throttle hand if you know what I mean. Let's meet at a trackday and ride together.
@@superduked33 Sounds awesome! I’ll be looking out for a fast superduke!
Nice picture with Scott Greenwood, another FAST old guy....
What kind of seat/tail section does your bike have? Is it custom? It looks like its gives more support during acceleration because it is higher
I made that seat actually. It fastens just like the OEM seat, but is made from carbon fiber and you are correct - my favorite part of the design is it keeps my ass from sinking into the seat while accelerating. Also I get better feel and feedback on drives. I should make some
Hey dude, I love this video. I have a question for you: what do you do for a living? How do you get to afford these sweet bikes over the years?
Many of my racebikes were owned by the teams or manufactures, for example Ducati North America in 05 and 06. Or the dealerships that I raced for. Lately though I own them, one at a time, quite humbly. I eat a lot of peanut butter and jelly. I am a carpenter, a videographer, and I now design / build /sell suspension parts for the KTMs I race at Superduked.com
@superduked33 wow, thanks so much for telling me all of this. I love it. How did you get in touch with dealerships to race for?
@@chromaticnomadic For me it's been mostly about eyes. Regional racing is a hard sell. Only a few spectators are there, and usually to watch their own racers - not you. So telling a dealership you won three races last weekend in front of six people who don't care, is not going to light a fire under their ass to support you. So you have to, especially today, find other ways to reach "eyes". By eyes I mean attention - be it in person at events for them, helping them sell bikes or drum up service work, doing online work promoting, etc. Josh Herrin spends a lot of time promoting his sponsors online - it's like his full time job. And he's factory supported. Things are different now than they used to be. Used to be waaaay easier to get support for regional racing. Boots gloves helmets oil fuel bikes canopies whatever. Now it's crickets. Which gives me an idea - I'm calling a pet store tomorrow! Just kidding. Kind of.
@superduked33 thanks again for the info.
I had a great laugh at Gavin’s expense!
I haven't shared this with him yet I'm scared
Time in between trying something is probably the biggest improver when your at a very low level of competency, ie stand up paddle boards with balance, guitar playing , your fingers doing what you need them to do without needing to force them by needing to think about them , muscle memory , driving a non synchromesh gearbox, coordinating your feet in a car brake clutch/motorcycle , and being smooth with a throttle, a big v twin makes you need to be smooth picking up the throttle from closed exiting a corner lol
I wish I could play guitar
When you're not a "Natural", to be the best, you have to study all the steps to accomplish that. I have some innate abilities
Jeesus i thought i was the only one that thought of leaning like this. I explain it like when this as well or like balancing a bat on your finger. The bottom of the bat is like the tires on the bike. Another reason i try to get people to get their kids stryder bikes not tricycles.
Well said and I agree 100%. And now I wish ball season wasn't over..
Getting a message from the future. Kinda feel like Marty
🤣. I love that
Whats up with the pros that drift into a turn then point shoot and out !! As if they dont really turn much at all...
Everybody turns, we just do it differently right? Drifting the rear can be part of turning also. But thats another level again. "Get it in, get it turned, get it out" is oversimplified on purpose. Each task is critical, and it's really helpful (and safer) to focus on these major elements one at a time. But there is another level to these tasks. Another world if you will. And that world exists between these elements - which I believe is what you are referencing here. Thanks for engaging. More to come
@@superduked33 Like uhhhh HELLO ??? Your totally suppose to tell me how to go flying into a turn sideways and magically slide out the exit and looking super RAD !!
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HA ! Thanks for the response and input. Oversimplified and just honest. When I was in Novice group seeing the crazy speeds of the Advanced guys. I thought "No way in hell". Then one day I got pumped up to A group. Once I calmed down for a min focused, I was actually catching up and passed a couple bikes. Needless to say, I've got a ton to learn still. (in time)
Don’t the bars turn in a countersteering motion naturally anyway? I was under the impression that you should trail brake to the apex, by which point you’re at full lean, and at that point any steering input could be an issue. Perhaps I have misunderstood your explanation about this.
Everybody's different but the only time you see me trail braking at full lean is when I'm on my chin. To me trail braking takes place as you bend it in, but not when you're really turning. And countersteering is how you lean the bike, which you have to do before you turn. So trail braking ends one instant before the more aggressive step of countersteering, which initiates the more aggressive learn angle, that you need to make the most aggressive part of the turn.
@@superduked33 Thanks. I wasn’t talking about trail braking while at full lean - doing anything at full lean other than maintenance throttle would seem like a potentially bad idea. Use of countersteering after trail braking would presumably mean that you wouldn’t be trail braking particularly deep into a corner as you wouldn’t want to aggressively countersteer while at a significant amount of lean? Perhaps your suggestion is to brake hard with the bike more upright for longer, but you then have to turn the bike quicker, hence the countersteering, and then get it up quicker to get on the gas sooner? In other words, it’s a litre-bike technique that you are describing and aggressive countersteering is being used to facilitate being at full lean for less time so you can use the bike’s strengths?
@@sp00ky1969 We are talking about similar things with subtle differences. In my mind anyway. For me (as I understand it based on what I feel myself doing, and now what I see proof of in my data), about three feet after my front brake lever is released, my countersteering gets 3-4X more aggressive, which leans the bike the farthest on its side very quickly. At that point the bike "lands" at full lean, and so does my knee. For the next few meters I am still off the gas, still slowing down, as the front pushes laterally, trying to gain enough grip to turn. Once I feel the bike actually starting to turn, the throttle cracks back on - like you say. But not until the front gains positive traction. This moment, between letting off the brake, pushing the bike down, and drifting into a turn - is just about the most beautiful experience, for me at least, to have on a motorcycle. Sliding the rear is fun, wheelies are great, switchbacks so quick people's head spin - they're all great fun. But pushing the front into a turn is otherworldly. And that's where this happens. In that space between the end of "arcing" into a turn hard on the brakes, just after letting go of the lever and countersteering aggressively enough to throw the bike down, where you just go quiet on the bike and wait for it to find it's way.. That's the point of beauty.
@@superduked33 Interesting. I often feel the bike drop quickly as the brakes are released, which would presumably show as countersteering even without proactively doing it. Aggressively countersteering at the point you are talking about is not something I’ve seen mentioned before. What are the usual or maximum angles of lean you would see on the data at the point where you have proactively and aggressively used countersteering as described? Obviously at a certain point it’s not going to be wise to have any input into the bars if you don’t want to lose the front. Data really is invaluable for understanding and improving technique. Thanks for an interesting discussion. 👍
Slow is Fast😜
Do you think a lot of riders don’t counter steer or don’t realise they are doing it ?
Excellent question, and this is my point about riding proactively. It's a little bit of a chicken or the egg thing - which comes first. But in this case it's which HAS to come first. In order to maintain your pace, you need to do the same things the same way you've been doing them. In order to go faster, you need to do things differently. Quicker, in less time, and more deliberately. This is where positively countersteering can help us so much. Having the ability to change the bike's lean angle, direction, attitude - quicker - means in less time, in less distance, or at a higher rate of speed. So the answer is, you need to know how and why and when to countersteer more aggressively, BEFORE you can go faster. Because if you go faster without that knowledge or skill, you will simply miss the turn and tense up and have to back out of it, and then wick it back up harder because you fell behind.... and then you highside
Yes you fall into doing the exact same things even when you go out with good intentions to change ..
Amazing. You unlearn a lot and clear a lot of BS from your old stale riding habits..
OMG old stale riding habits... 100%. It's the craziest thing but it happens to all of us - sometimes we ride lazy, we don't think or try new things enough. We just do laps after laps after laps, and then moan about not going faster...
All you guys are missing is a fireplace and a purring cat on a rug…
OMG I'm throwing up now.. 😆
While sitting on Milwaukee packouts
Best track toolboxes ever
@@superduked33 yea a bit pricey though us electricians like those packouts
You might see someone going faster and think you're slow...
Rest assured, I'm slower
OMG 😂 That's hysterical
It's 2024 already now? You're from the future? 😱
Patience my friend. It's coming
Ra urus
Moto for dummys 😂 Lol I still don't understand are you leaning left for the turn and steer to the right?
@Fooootrider, would it benefit you if I dedicated a video to just countersteering? I've always wanted to because it is fascinating, can be confusing, and is always critical - whether we realize we are doing it or not.
Yeah I think that would help me to understand, It's got alot to do with psychics I think 🤣 I always worry about the potholes on turns
24 minutes in and Im still waiting to learn how to ride faster. 34:15 Still havent learned anything. Im out Blah, blah, blah
People are by far my favorite part of motorcycling.
2024 huh?
in 5 days it'll all make sense
2 minutes in and nothing has been taught. Just 2 minutes of hot air. Why waste time?
Did I miss the part where there was any tangible advice to justify the title ? This is just blokes sitting around telling stories about riding and who they know ..
Sorry you couldn't hang in there long enough to learn something new. Most others did.
more us Bs
No way u are faster than when u were younger, u had crappier machines back then but now u are older, just not possible to overcome age and be faster on a motorcycle, this is not car racing where old bad in shape rich playboys can be competitive :D
He is unlike me, the older I get the faster I was!🏍
You obviously underestimate how slow I used to be
GoGo. You have a talent for pointing out the most important stuff that others can't articulate.. what goes on between the ears. Being aware and conscious of our actions.
When you young you think you fast, when you old you know you fast(or not)...main reason is as you get older you learn to think very analytically so instead of using force and applying your big balls you use finesse and your brain and you go slower to go faster... a fast young guy is fast because he has an old wise guy in his corner ( think moto gp paddock) and has the ability to listen wich translates into fast...you can apply the same principle to everything in life ...find yourself a smart old guy and stop being a wise ass...
Eh, go mountain bike for a couple of years and learn corner entry. Everything else is cake...
Downhill mountain bike... Not XC
Not the same. I’ve done a lot of DH and the focus to body position is the same effort but, not the same to motorbikes “position”.
I appreciate your connection but my cake weighs 400lbs, and at 150mph the sugar can be overwhelming if you know what I mean :-)
@@Chickenstrips77 Not sure what kind of DH trails you predominantly ride, but the ability to simply tell what the thing you're on is doing without a) thinking too much about it, and b) maintain focus on the forward momentum without panic and subtly shifting your bodyweight to mitigate the issue is fantastically helpful. Out here in Utah, in a few cases, there are trails that go for dozens of miles and never let you lose concentration with extremely high consequences in case of failure. My MC riding improved drastically directly because of MTB riding (and not only because of improved fitness). Also, slackline. Slacklining has absolutely improved my sense of balance and being able to adjust things without even thinking of them...
@@Andrei_K1G1K Yes, I would agree that the body position focus needed to perform the task is similar however you can say that for just about any sport. Your initial comment was pretty vague insinuating that DH MTB would give you the skills needed to race motorcycles or at least that’s the way I took it.