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Buying a Boat - What to look for and Boat comparison - Warrior, Orkney, Wilson Flyer, Explorer
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- Choosing a fishing boat can be a difficult and confusing process. In this video I compare some of the most common small fishing boats in the UK - A Warrior, an Orkney, a Wilson Flyer and an Explorer Elite; I talk to owners about what they like and what they think about their boats. I discuss new and second hand prices and also compare the vessels capabilities. We discuss engine sizes and performance and also the safety aspects benefits of boat designs.
*Edit - When talking about engine performance I quote "40,000 revs". I actually mean 4,000 revs*
The Warrior walk around is at timestamp 00:45
The Wilson Flyer walk around is at timestamp 05:48
The Orkney walk around is at timestamp 09:47
The Explorer walk around is at timestamp 15:15
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Following on from this here is a short video on things to look for when buying a second hand boat - ruclips.net/video/bCBbmeGec5I/видео.html
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Brilliant. Big thanks to all the boat owners for the tours. Wish you all 'fair winds and following seas'.
Thank you. 👍🏻
OMG. I can't believe it. This is just the video I need. Brilliant. Love the slight change in your format with so much info in them.
I was just trying to find the best way to provide the info. 👍🏻🛥
iv'e no intention of buying a boat , but i found it a very informative and interesting insight !
You never know when this might come in handy. 😉
Even though I’m too green gilled to ever want a boat, I found this interesting and informative......great guide for potential owners. Great job, John. Thanks
I truly hope that people find the video helpful. 😊
I lived in a marina in Sooke for 12 years. Lots of people ( weekend warriors) launched their boats forgetting the drain plug.The boat I have now I replaced the wood in the transom and stringers and I eliminated the drain plug. The little bit of rainwater that finds its way in gets pumped out with electric pump. One less thing to remember.. ( P.S. Nearly all the boats I have towed in had only one engine !!! Be safe! CHEERS from Canada!
Good comment mate. 👌🏻🛥
My heart stay still!!! You just walked by (at 0:30 minutes) the lost twin of my Bayliner!!!
Needle to say, I played these few seconds over and over!
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I can’t wait to see you out there with your new boat congratulations on your new purchase I’m sure you’ll enjoy every minute on it 👍👏
Thank you. 😊
A good Vlog John for anyone interested in buy their own boat. Very informative, pointing out the pro's and cons of each boat.
Thank you Terry, I hope it helps folks out. 😊
Excellent informative video and well shot! Just the type of video I have been looking for for sometime. Looking forward to videos of you fitting out your new boat.
As soon as we get the weather we will get them done. 👍🏻
Congratulations on 200k subs! I'm a far stretch from doing more than dreaming about a boat one day, but still a quality video to watch! Cheers.
You never know mate. 😉👍🏻
Can’t wait to see your new Boat. 🚣♀️
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Very interesting video John. I was thinking "if he's doing 40,000 revs, he's gonna be airborne"! I can't afford a boat but the biggest problem is I don't have anywhere to keep one, but this video will be of great help to lots of folk thinking about buying one. It's also interesting as these four boats seem to be the most popular, and you hear folk talking about this boat & that boat on the forums, so it was nice to see them in the flesh to do a comparison. Thanks mate - stay safe & well. 👍👍
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@@TheFishLocker Yep, I saw that in the description and guessed that was what you meant anyway, but you said it twice in the video so it made me chuckle! 😂😂
The locker of many channels ! who knew ?
Nice one and dont hang around with a comparison video between the 2 . Once again the common sense you show is very very watchable and info appreciated .
Thank you. 👍🏻
John great vid mate on pros and cons of said boats as a retired firefighter of 32 years just one thing to say mate where is your Foam or Co2 fire extinguisher batteries petrol = fire risk could give you vital seconds to escape with your family keep them coming mate love them
Pause at 11:21 and you’ll see the extinguisher. It’s next to the flares. 😉👍🏻
Just found this video,,sold my 17ft fishing boat years ago and fancy another one but talk about scratching my head,,thanx for helping me focus more👍👍
I hope the video helps folks avoid any painful mistakes.
luguña 17 best with 135 hp mercuery
Brilliant video John as usual it’s great to see the different boats .. 👍👍🤙🤙
My pleasure. 👍🏻
@@TheFishLocker good luck with your new boat aswell . I look forward to seeing you out and about with her 🤙🤙🤙
Excellent , unbiased , and honest - great work 👍👍👊
Simple, honest and straightforward content. That’s what I like to see so what I try to make. 😊
Apart from the fact I would watch anything you put up 🙇🙇 that was still very interesting. The drone footage came into its own and gave a fantastic different dimension to this one 🎣
Thank you. The drone footage was a lot of work but I thought it best showed my point. 😊
@@TheFishLocker It was well worth your effort,it did a brilliant job of showing the different hull displacement,not that I know anything about it !!
growing up i had a 15 boston whaler with a 70 yamaha.....man did it move ,but im amazed at the inside room of the 1st boat you showcased!!! amaing! there is room to actually lay down!! my BW was not made like that......that cabin seems huge!!!
great video - thanks and best health to you and family
Considering it was only a 15ft boat they really use the size well don't they. 👍🏻
really enjoyed this new quicker, flowing type of editing (not sure how to explain it) even though im only 19 and in uni I still love to pipe dream about my own boat.... one day.
Thank you. I’m just trying to get the info over in a way that’s straight forward. 😊👍🏻
Don't worry mate I owned a boat at youre age it sunk in the bath.
Well that was very interesting to see the differences I have no intention on having a boat but I do see the benefits of having one it’s because am tight just to old now really enjoyed the video John thanks for that tight lines till the next one
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Great video. Buying a boat especially one that has been used primarily in salt water is a very risky prospect.
I have covered things to look for buying second hand in the video tagged above in the pinned comment. 👍🏻
Very informative video John. I could not believe myself when I have seen the subtitle. Exactly the type of video that we needed because we are planning to buy a boat soon. Many thanks John for your hard job. You must be mad not to like this video.😘
I hope the video has helped people out as I don't imagine many folks would be able to get aboard these boats to compare.😊
If I lived near the coast I would think about buying a boat, my interest is inshore fishing more like the videos you make when you fish in the harbour. I never see myself going further out than a couple of miles maximum. This video was still very interesting but is a class above what I could afford and on top of the cost of purchase you have the maintenance and possibly mooring costs. I am sure this video will help a lot of people out, thanks for posting.
There is no need to go more than a couple of miles if you just want to catch inshore fish. 😉👍🏻
This is the most interesting video I have seen for a long time.
Thank you. 👍🏻
There's pros and cons to everything of course. I'm disabled and find my rib ideal for me, because I can get round the whole boat, get on and off easily, using the tubes to sit on. The tubes also make it very stable at rest. It doesn't move at all, even if someone stands on a tube. Ribs also cope well in rough conditions...if you know what you're doing haha
Negatives.....very pricey, these days. Not laid out for fishing really. A serious fisherman will likely not use a rib. I'm what you'd call a casual fisherman. I mainly just like getting out on the water and enjoying the scenery and wildlife.
Enjoying the channel, great stuff.
I wouldn’t class a RIB as a bad weather boat. But are a lot of fun on nice days. 😊👍🏻
Hello John and congrats on your new boat,now these boats have been around for a few years now,but they are a great boat im from the north and the boats originated from a small village called Croston,when we where younger we raved on about these boats and little has changed,nothing ive seen is better,Great northern design
Good designs don't need changing. 👍🏻
Absolutely brilliant video for us folks that don’t know about boats. Cracking showing us the mods done on the boats too. Cheers John
My pleasure mate. 😊
Was looking into getting a fishing boat myself this has definitely helped on what to look for. Thanks for the upload 👍
My pleasure Wayne.
Right on to the details and no wasting any time...good job man
Simple and honest.😊
My dream boat is a 😍 HARDY PILOT 20 😍 I want to be able to have a nap and a poo , do a bit of fishing and cook them up in the galley and do the odd night at anchor or in a nice harbour with a tidy bit of crumpet . Great vid John.
I can do all those things in mine - well except the crumpet part. 🤣
Excellent video
I’ve been thinking of buying a boat for years , this is good info 👍🏻
My pleasure. 👍🏻
Most informative John - as all your videos are. Thank you very much for putting this all together.
Thank you Mike. I hope the video helped folks out. 😊
That was fantastic for anyone thinking bout buying a boat, well done! The only thing not mentioned was a displacement hull vessel. My Arran 16 does only 6 knots all day like it or not, but a typical full day out uses 3 1/2 litres of fuel & it is the most stable boat I've been in, similar to the original Orkney Longlner, but more stable. Well done again for being the one wearing a lifejacket.
If you had a mate with a Plymouth pilot, that would be great!
The boats I compared are your usual "trailer boats" your displacement boats are usually "mooring boats". If that makes sense.
I love your boat buying guild really useful and when the time comes for me to by a boat I will defo be using all your advice. Thanks mate great vid 🎣🎣🎣
I hope the video has helped folks out. 😊
Great vid, started fishing in a Long Liner the last 25 years a Day Angler. They all have pros and cons👍
Orkneys hold money rather well😉
There are always pros and cons aren't there mate. 🤷🏻♂️
Hi John
You've done it again bud, a very informative video on boat purchases, absolutely spot on and average costs, couldn't go far wrong with that
On the ball as expected now,your a class act brother.
Take care stay safe, regards to Hannah and the youngsters, and keep it lit.👍 my friend
Thank you Stephen, I hope people find the video helpful. 😊
Great video as always. The only thing I don't agree with is having no auxiliary outboard. It takes seconds for a fault to happen. And as I experienced on my last trip out even a brand new outboard comes with faults luckily it was only a fuel problem but it makes you realise how important a auxiliary outboard is.
It is not something I decided on lightly. But weighed up I chose to fish without one. I understand your position.
I don't know what the tides/currents are like there. Would a trolling motor that can clamp to the battery be a viable emergency backup?
Am prity surprised...with, kinde of small boats..you use on a North sea.
Realy informative episode.
In all...your chanel covered....all about fishing...even cooking/on the open&father cooking.
Perfect.
Thank you.
All the best from Cr🌞atia.
Watching your works...on a wey like, watching serious but relaxed documentaries.
Perfect
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I am glad that you enjoy the videos Zoran. 😊
Next level editing brother 👌do a bit myself and its not easy
Haha. No it is not. 😩
Really good info, so professionally presented. Well done, John.
Well wear with the new boat. Looking forward to your next angling trip on the boat
Thank you. 😊
Very nice run through of boats. You should do a vid on what to do when selling one as I have one for sale now.🤣🤣😄😄👍. Can't wait to see the new one!
Haha. I have done one on buying if that helps?
This is the first upload I clicked on and I was hooked from start to finish.. (no pun intended.) Now I see, you guys don't berth your vessels, it's a trailer job every time you go out? I've got the next few days off work to do this and that.. I'll definitely be watching all the others. Cheers John. Stay safe.😃
I love how you guys use smaller boats. I run an old 16ft starcraft and just put a 40hp merc 2020 on it. I have taken that boat out 30 miles off New Jersey for tuna mahi and shark. People over here won't go out of the bay in anything under 20ft. When I come back with 200lb bluefin tuna I get the craziest looks
Haha. I get the same looks when people see what I do in mine. 🤣
Gotta love it. I show people a blacktip feeding frenzy i came across last year and videoed about 3 miles off Atlantic City NJ and they usually can't believe how many sharks there were in one place. I have the video on my channel if you ever get a chance is pretty amazing. Thanks for the videos
My friend bought an Orkney 520 from Falmouth (Moody Blue).We fish out of Plymouth Sound out to Hands Deep, Edystone and around the coast.Great boat but he needs a bigger boat ( famous last words). He did look at upping the HP from an Evinrude 30 but on the 520 spec it recommends 30HP with a max of 35.I have been around boats all my life and my Dad was a marine engineer who taught me to look at the speed you require at 3/4 throttle which gives the best speed to fuel use.
That’s a good rule of thumb. The newer breeds of engines are slightly more forgiving and economical.
Beautiful home in the background
I hear the neighbours are a handful 🤣
Great videos I love my explorer 21years old and still going
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Me Again. One for the total novice like me. When looking at getting a boat and will be storing at home. Shorter boat does not always means narrower and don't forget the width of the trailer. I have seen the same size boat on 2 different style trailers. One where the trailer is wider than the hull (Beam) another where the trailer is about the same width of the hull.
Is there a question in that mate?
Have owned or fished from all 4 and the orkney is and was by far the best in our waters. Surprised how slow you run. We ran ours at 18 to 20 knots all day every day two up with a 30 yamaha. The build quality was superb. Put some rails on it to increase freeboard and buoyed the anchor. None of the boats are truely safe walkarounds, better off to stay safe on the deck!
Bought mine brand new as a package in 2000 for 7500quid, for sale recently for ten grand!!
Stability wise, 2 of us one side lifting pots and tope over 50pound over no problem.
Went on to learn chartering trade on offshore 105, starfish 8 and starfish 10 then a 10m cat. Now looking for a boat for me and me boy to fish from and orkney is only boat on my radar.
They are wonderful aren't they. My decision for the Warrior was to do with what we want the boat for over the next few years. And for the size they have more space inside and run faster. I am very surprised to hear you were regularly getting 20 knots with a 30 with 2 of you onboard. I think mine has done 20 knots maybe 5 times in the years Ive owned her. 😊
Nice new boat looking forward to seeing you in it . Great vid I’d love to get a small boat one day and glad you have reviewed the possibilities. Thanks
My pleasure. 😊
nice John.. Been looking forward to seeing this video. the who's,s what's and why's. cheers another John. Is having a small portable potty important. .especially for the female half. so a raised cabin part also for keeping you dry seems a good idea. .
It’s a video I could have easily made 4 hours long as there is so much detail to go into. 👍🏻
Love it John great video as per usual 👍keep it up🤘
Thank you. 👍🏻
Only two times your happy when you own a boat, is one when you buy it & two when you sell it, a money pit ! Good video.
I have to disagree. A money pit if you buy the wrong boat and don’t consider the costs before hand. And I have been sad every time I have sold a boat.
I have zero interest in boats, but as per usual you make any topic or subject interesting JL. The editing of the opening sequence was like something from the Fast Show.🙂
Haha. “Int milk brilliant!!!”
My fishing partner has just bought a orkney coastliner ....second hand and it's immaculate .......its just shy of 15ft. Its ideal for 2 plus are gear ......
Excellent. 👍🏻🎣
We use a 5.5m Rib with a 90 Etec on it . Cruise at 19knts at 3750 rpm and 31knts at 5600rpm , we like the extra safety of the Rib , you could flood it and empty the whole boat out via the cow horn bailer . Nice and stable if you’ve got anything big on
Awesome video.
I started out with a warrior 150. Good little boat. I upgraded to a 6mtr commercial so I could take family out and dive off it too (shark door makes for easy entry/exit).
I also have a predator 165. I use this when I'm launching by myself as it's a lot easier! 😄
Very, very good and important point made in your other video about having the appropriate driving license for towing trailers over certain weights!
I had to take a separate test for towing a trailer because of changes in the law when I passed my test!
I am the same with the towing license.
Wow its so awesome to cover this kind of stuff. You are awesome.
I hope the video helps folks out. 😊
Thanks John same as the other video really interesting and good solid information. Thanks.
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Thanks for the video. Cool to see the different styles of boat explained because to a landlubber like me they all look alike. Are you saying forty thousand revs for those engines? Surely not, engines I do know :)
Haha. 4000 revs.
Another good vid. Never owned a boat. Decided to get one. Still looking. But I decided to do a power boat 2 and VHF(SRC) course . A) So I know the basics of moving a boat. B) I will know how to call someone if I get it badly wrong.
That is very sensible of you, I recommend that to folks too. 😉👍🏻
Great video John.
Spoilt for choice. Given the sea's off the northeast coast; Berwick, Amble, etc I think it will be Orkney.
Very good choice. 👍🏻
Nice! I'd love to go on a real fishing trip someday!
If you are able to try it, good luck. 👍🏻
great vid mucker i have a bayliner 2360 and it"s a fantastic fishing boat boat to be fare she is drawing her pension but she looks after me and like my old mum i love her.
That is a big part of it mate. I have some fishing tack that is older than my kids. I have better now but still love it. 😊
Brilliant video! So well explained and useful information. Valuable stuff. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
It is my pleasure Ray. I hope it helps folks out. 😊
I just got a wee del quay 13. Needs a bit of work and an engine but hopefully i'll get out a bit in the summer when the weather's fine.
Good luck and tight lines. 👍🏻🎣
@@TheFishLocker thanks John. You might not know it but your now my official mentor. 👍
@@aljonco1 - Oh dear 🤦🏻♂️🤣
@@TheFishLocker seriously, your master classes are second to none. You have the job as my official mentor now whether you like it or not. Nothing you can do about it.
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This is a fantastic video. My boat is a 530 aluminium boat 17.5ft. Perfect size for the family. lighter than fibreglass. Problem is on a windy day i get more drift. It runs really well with the 90hp yamaha. Maximum hp is 100. Don't think i need that much
No mate I think 100 would be a little too much for such a light craft. And pricey to run. 😉
eltritc baylñer ¹75
Looking forward to seeing new boat :). Good video mate
Thanks 👍
Great video (and the channel) but don't agree with not needing a backup motor because "If you can't trust the engine then you shouldn't put out to sea". Agree with that statement itself of course, but even the best cared for and normally rock solid engine can have an unexpected problem one day, or be exposed to something that causes it a problem. Maybe the lower gear casing hits something solid in the water, which is not uncommon, and incurs damage. Things break sometimes. At least you have a Yammy though - solid motors!
Understand if it's causing a balance issue as well, but personally wouldn't want to head out without a little backup motor. to keep away from rocks or get myself home slowly if I ever have an issue. Anything I can do to make sure I never have to call for and use resource of the lifeboat/coastguard is a win for me. You always seem like a sensible & pragmatic fella though so I know you know what you're doing.
Keep up the great work anyway. Mine is an old Coastworker 180 (18foot console boat) by the way. Great boat with a ton of deck space (no cuddy though), and quick, but bangs a bit in a chop!
One other great boat suggestion for people on a budget but willing to renovate is a Teal 16-23' fisher. Same hull as Warrior but built in the 70s & 80s (they have a cuddy but quite low) so more likely to need re-decking or the transom looking at.
Great comment James and good points. 👍🏻
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You can trim your outboard to counter balance the back up outboard . I have been fishing west coast Scotland for over 40 years and only used my backup outboard twice . ( needles to say I have had several boats and outboards ) I still would not advise going to sea without a backup outboard set up and ready to run.
Its each to their own, it is good advise. 👍🏻
Another stunning video John.
Glad you enjoyed it Bryn.
Alaska 500 were very good fishing platforms back in the day, hard to find a good second hand one these days though.
Agreed.
Good stuff! Your vids are very informative and relaxing.
Glad you like them!
Cheers John,useful information mate,I still haven’t found my Orkney spinner,lol.
Found it yet?
@@TheFishLocker hi john,nope,I’m rather to late or,they are to far from Devon,ha,all the best to you and the family.
Great upload, really enjoyed that.👍
Congratulations on your new boat, looks great and you’ve earn’t that, well done.
Thank you very much. I do love the new boat. 😊
Great video as usual.... informative , useful advice , keep it up fella
Glad you enjoyed it Zak. 😊
Smartliner 19 or 21(its classic model) are my choices recently ....their new model 22 does perform well with good speed but its not stable n rocked more ( due to the very DEEP V throughout) when anchored in mid sea compared to the classic model i had mentioned.......
My first boat was a 17feet Dell Quay Dory ( with the optional small cabin) with a Yamaha 85hp two stroke outboard and i had it for 6years from year 1999 to 2005... was a great boat but sold it because the offer was too good to refuse back then, I regretted it later.
Great info Mike. 👍🏻
buy it
Great video John, very informative and I really enjoyed watching it.
Glad you enjoyed it Liam. 😊
Dan could put a folding seat in so he can hook it up out of the way when he needs the space
He does.
Hello pal , excellent idea and well put together . Perfect and concise insight into a good and popular minefield for a first time buyer .
Im sure it answers many questions to a lot of people out there 👍
Well done , best wishes to you and the family .x
Any smoothounds showing off the beaches by you ?
I made this video and the one on the workshop channel in the hope it would help folks out making that first or even second purchase. 👍🏻
Top video as always. Would love a boat but other things have to take priority so a kayak it'll be for me I think
I understand that mate. 👍🏻
lovely informative vid, well thought out mate, when do we see the new 'family' boat?
Have a look at the video pinned at the Tope of the comments. 👍🏻
You love that lobster... you take it everywhere with you ;)
Great video mate, well interesting
He’s famous mate. Been all over that lobster. 😬🦞
@@TheFishLocker have you sold your old boat as yet?
Missed out the mighty Ribs , becoming more popular with anglers up Scotland now 👍
RIBs have their place but they don't compare to a proper fishing boat.
Only you John could have a random pet Lobster on board lololol
It’s my pet trained lobster 😛🦞
@@TheFishLocker What's it trained to do? :)
@@davidsmith6859 - He is my camera man.
I'm waiting for the inevitable trained ATTACK LOBSTER.
@@TheFishLocker Do lobsters get to have clawses in their contracts of employment? "Don't eat me later" might be a sensible one to have.
Thank you for all the info in this great video. I will be looking for a Quicksilver, or similar, when I leave Florida & get back to England next year. I know I'll be struggling with the weather for some time, compared to here. I want a pilothouse, so I can hopefully get the wife out on the water with me. I'm excited to go home, but I know I'll need somewhere to hide, when the temp drops below 15c.
Good luck to you. 👍🏻
I've got a 18ft Bayliner Trophy with a 135 Mariner Optimax. Love the tub cruises at 23 knots and WOT 40 knots .You get out to where you want tout suite!😁😁😁
Lovely boat mate. 😊
buy new bayliner 185 its eltruc 32 kw batery
Great video, it was cery helpful without unnecessary B.S
Thank you, that is exactly what I was hoping for. Simple, honest, no BS.
A good article, howver, the guy with the Wilson needs to check his maths. The Yam 90 burns 34.4lph wot. He quoted as trimmed out, max speed was 27 knots. That means, he’s burning 1.27 litres/mile. Petrol at £1.40/l, means it’s costing him £1.78/mile, more than double what he quoted….
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Absolutely brilliant...
Thank you.
My wishful thoughts are more for access to a super yacht though, unless theres a significant lottery windfall or i could come up with a good business model to get backing it will only be a dream...
Thank you for this video though, much to be learned from it!
I am glad you found it interesting. 👍🏻
Thumbs Up John.... Del..
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Still using my first boat a 14ft CJR with a Mercury 30 2 stroke.
Best thing is its cathedral Hull for stability and its light so launch and retrieval on my own is easy.
Perfectly suited to what you need. 👍🏻
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I've got a 165 and diddnt realise I can walk around the cuddy!
Can you? I haven't been on a 165 in so long I can't remember.
I love the pet lobster you have John lol. It was a very informative video so thank you for this :)
You are very welcome.
Great video Denzel 👍
Cheers mate. 🤣
Good video 👍🏻 I’m going for the Orkney 520
Nice choice. 😊👍🏻
thanks for this been umm and arring for last 3 years looking at a wilson flyer, (still) not sure i'm gonna pull the cord as i'm the furthest you can get from the sea in the UK basically :( a VERY considered purchase for me (or just move house hey lol)
It’s up to wether you can justify it. 👍🏻