Just because FIDE agreed does not mean it is not match fixing- it can be the case where the players proposed the idea of joint winner but internally they(Magnus and Ian) could have discussed about match fixing even before the match started and an idea to show it up as a gesture of sportsmanship in the name of joint winners.
@@SreeramReddyB it's impossible to prove. They should have insisted atleast one more game at that time. only thing FIDE can do henceforth, keep knockout system in world champion event.
FIDE should learn from this. Make the rules clear. And if players don't agree then they are free to not join any FIDE event. There are other players who deserve the prize money. It's not like FIDE should beg players like Carlsen, Nepo, and Nakamura. This is an opportunity to discover new talents. Even if they are not around fans will still watch the event. And the previous candidates and WCC is proof of that
@@anksssssssss its funny that those 2 finalists are so weak, that they rather accept 50% title instead of a fight and defeat. they tell themselves that they both won? they brainwash themselves that not losing is better than winning. but in the end its like saying 8 billion people are world champion, if we all agree that we are, since we are human and we love chess.. so lets all be champion! .. oh damn, its not worth anything now? well right, sharing a title this way actually means, that both were finalists.. not less, not more.
@Alexander-dt2eq it's a cheating for chess fan who wanna see good chess , they simply refused to show more chess , due to their inner insecurities , which is totally unethical .
The proof is overwhelming. No need for accusations. The two clowns swindled FIDE, the fans, the game of chess and even Ju Wenjun and Le Tinge. It is UNFAIR to the two ladies who fought till a champion won
It's just that fide is a group of morons who can't think beyond ..y they can't see the possibility of multiple draw ..simple tie breaker Armageddon which should have introduced .now crying is foul ..
The integrity of chess is not at stake, but the rules of FIDE. Remember the first WC match between Karpov and Kasparov? FIDE had to stop it and start a new one later due to it went on without a winner. Maybe Magnus is more right than most people will admit that the format of championsship games should be changed. (Armageddon game??)
@@erikskov8759 FIDE need to go through it's rule book , to adapt new reality. Increase Popularity physical chess in era of online gaming. Make classical chess more fast.
What Magnus said after game number seven was not good enough to suggest Match fixing. Both of them having played seven games between them as well as earlier matches must have been very tired at the end of the day and probably it must have been stated as a hypothetical possibility and exposing the provisions without application of mind. More over expecting the finalists to play indefinite number of tie breaker games is very cruel and not befitting to the world championship.
Exactly. He's siding with Hans which is a joke. Hans freakin cheated countless times in Titled Tuesdays and this reported is drawing parallel of that in this situation or Dubov/Nepo situation of last year. I'm amazed why these reporters that have obvious bias are selected to report. Anyone who watched all matches can see all matches were basically dog fights and not quick draws.
Wow, match fixing is the stupidest thing I’ve heard in this case. I thought chess was a game of intelligent people. In Chess, the draw is an option and there were no rules to stop a draw from being an option so the match ended in a draw! It’s simple!
No it's not. In any other sport it's specially called match fixing. Chess having option to draw. It has option to draw on board where game can't go any further. The choice of draw can't be allowed to have even before the game is being played. There should be strict action against magnus. Can't have him just breaking all the rules, if he doesn't like it he should not play.
In other sports draws are only "an option" in quarter finals for example, because they can no longer influence the course of the championship. If you allow draws to happen everywhere, you allow multiple players to collude, they can for example manipulate the matches in such a way that player A will never face off with player B. Draws are just a really bad idea in general, they leave a competition open to collusion.
It seems like it was completely unnecessary from Magnus to say that stuff - "We will play out short draws" to Ian. I mean FIDE too is the culprit here. If they have this rule to play tie breakers to determine winner, then they should have continued with the games and if the above conversation came into their notice, quick and prompt action should have been taken.
@@anksssssssss That is what I have mentioned that they should have continued with the tie breakers as it is the rule. Nothing should be left open then.
Does it really counts as match fixing ...bcoz they didnt played afterwards ...and also if u see previous wc 23 where maxime and magnus making joke of drawing in 10 moves ruclips.net/user/shortshbw2DwYZlYQ?si=RcTKsgWp191mAB3R
It was probably a joke. I think almost the whole chess world would have supported a double disqualification if that happened, and a suspension of both players.
I don’t know why but after a Gukesh’s win , every random chess fan from India is ready to pounce on Magnus and others . We can’t even imagine playing 1 game at their level but somehow want them to continue playing like superhumans.😢
Cricket team also fix , otherwise how can team loses chasing 140 runs in mumbai test against NZ Lost by 20 runs , nz whitewash India. Loosing bring in more dowry dough 😅
In any case joint winners is a bad idea - FIDE should be strict with their rules and if rules are not clear then make the rules clear and make it in such a way that there is always only 1 winner.
When I first heard the conversation, I was smiling because I knew they are just joking just to ease some pressure but I didn't expect that the people will take it out of context and try to accuse of "Match - Fixing" ! Also that conversation was after the game no. 7 which was ended in a draw and after that no game happened. So how did they fix the match ? People are going mindless just to hate someone ! There could have been a rule determining the number of games they have to play for example 10 and then after that , it goes to armageddon ! They have been playing for 6 hours and also it's new years eve, everybody has to go home (even the spectators) and celebrate with the family. I understand there can't be two blitz world champion but for now it is the reality ! Magnus asked Nepo he said "YES" to share the prize , then they asked Chief Arbiter and then asked to Fide's President/Vice president before coming to a conclusion. Learn a lesson and the make the rules clear the next time about what happens if they get to certain number of draws ..
Magnus is bullying FIDE but, technically, FIDE which is the governing body, is the one liable here for not pushing the tournament to conclusion. This tournament is an unfinished business and now we have no champion, only two finalists.
fully agree! and what people forget. Rules are in place to protect players! such that they do not have to think about what to do in an extreme situation. This can only backfire for both finalists now. Personally i lost respect for Magnus. will not watch his games any more. Rules are actually in place to protect players from these moral fights... but Magnus does want them. so he is getting them now! be prepared!
Yes. Magnus and Nepo are guilty of match fixing. I have been observing that since Gukesh won World Championship, Magnus is restless and can not take it. If he wants his crown back, then he can play the candidates and come into championship cycle. But he can not do this kind of cheap tricks. And he should remember that he is damaging his own reputation.
How the fk they fixed the match if no other match happened after the conversation. Also people need some common sense to understand that they were joking to ease up some pressure! Guess what, two friends can't even chat in public ! People are going insane just to hate somebody. Also where were you when India and Russia shared the gold medal for olympiad ??
@@shivajoshi6012bro these fans are new to chess, they started following chess because gukesh became the wcc, which is good actually as chess will get more support but they just dont know anything. Leave them be
Carlsen is good for chess. You cannot deny that. Who watches a event without Carlsen ? But it seems Carlsen era will end soon as the new gen is impressive. and that is not a bad thing.. FIDE should also be a strong body and should not bend its rules to pacify the top player.
FIDE needs to be disbanded....first they had the audacity to trouble magnus for wearing jeans.....now they want to get back at him.....its sick....magnus should just start his own organization....a lot of players disgusted with the bureaucrats have done it....history repeats itself here yet again
People say Indians are just targeting Magnus, but in fact, it’s Magnus who’s been targeting Indian chess legend Vishy, who probably tried his best to help Magnus in jeans incident. Magnus has made fun of Garry, insulted Vishy, and criticized commentators when he is also human with some imperfections. While it’s undeniable that Magnus is a great chess player and a good person to his fans, it's important to remember that no one is above respectful conduct. It’s one thing to express frustration or disagreement, but targeting others, especially when you're unsure of the full picture, isn't the way forward.
That is why Armageddon games were created. Imagine if in the World Cup the 2 finalists decide they both want to win the WC title and agree to share it. Penalties were created to stop that from happening (even though it might seem unfair to lose the WC to penalties) ... and Armageddon was created for the exact same reason in chess. A winner needs to be crowned. I don't blame the players, I blame the rules that allow such a thing to happen.
This is a polarising issue for sure. Personally I believe it was the right decision all things considered. It was an oversight that FIDE hadn't seen this situation becoming a possibility and will now shore up the rules.
blame it on FIDE, they always have the right to deny carlsen's request. if they play short draws then warn them that they could face disqualification if they continue to do so.
Asking why the women's finalists played their games is not logically relevant. You would only have a point if they WEREN'T allowed a joint championship after asking. In the video idk if magnus says "we can" or "we should". Either way there is room to intrepret. Was he trying to matchfix or just simply stating the obvious flaw of having no proper tie-break? In chess it's very easy to draw at the highest lvls. A perfect example can be seen in this tournament itself. In the Open section when there were multiple players all on 8 points and right after, the vast majority effortlessly made draws in just a few moves, in multiple games. Regardless, Magnus should not have made that comment. Imo he should also have played more rounds before suggesting the sharing title.
There is no world, were tournament rules can be changed during the tournament. So it wouldn't have crossed the women's mind that sharing the title might be an option. As it probalby didn't cross Dubov's and Naroditsky's mind to ask if they could have a 10 players final.
Lol those who have not watched the games live only can make such claims ..magnus was leading 2-0 .if it was fixing it would have been draw..they both were fighting for win here..the tie breaker is supposed to be tie breaker and not keep playing multiple matches again then what's the point of having 4 games to start with if tie breaker again need 4 games lol
Nah. It's an organization discovering it has been played by their number 1 ranked player and found itself in a potential PR diaster where the 2 players sanctioned for dress code violations are making new demands. FIDE meekly complies and hopes it will all go away. Not!😅
Before anyone says anything just know that Magnus is the most decorated champion ever in the history of chess and currently the richest chess player. He's the GOAT.
I think the comment by Carlson was a joke. FIDE should have simply refused. The arbiter or whoever made the decision to allow it is the main culprit. At the same time I can’t say I’m at all a fan of Carlson’s antics.
Playing to a quick draw is not quite the same as cheating. In the last round of the swiss portion of the blitz tournament all 4 top boards made a quick draw (3 of them by playing Berlin), with Hans playing one of those draws, for strategic reasons. Players thought that a draw gives them better chance to advance to knockout rather than trying to win and thus opening oneself to the possibility of a loss. Was this wrong? The Dubov - Nepo draw was punished for the perverted form in which it was made, not for the draw as such. The play the same Berlin opening - nothing happens.
Magnus may have joked about repeated draws, but that didn’t even happen in the final round! And if draws equals match fixing then all top 8 players would be guilty from the previous round.
If FIDE didn't make controversy on jeans clothing, I am sure MAGNUS would have won the title alone(as the controversy definitely affected his ability and go for sharing the title)
which rule have they broken? Can't they draw the matches? is it illegal? Even had Carlsen had whispered in Nepo's ear and nobody had this audio, what then? Did you see the matches on the first day of blitz. Once many players were in the top eight after 11 rounds, everyone was playing for a draw except those who were not in the top 8. What is a tie breaker? Can't they draw. Everyone will play only defense in the situations. so, unless rules change, and the rules are enforced and you don't punish irrelevant infarctions of rules like jeans etc. by disqualifying a player for an entire round, FIDE's events will always be shrouded in controversy.
Today (2nd Jan) All over the world players - American, Russian, Indian, Ukranaina and Norwegian (!) have strongly condemned the sharing . Norwegian newspaper VG which supports Chess and covers all world events LIVE has severly attacked Carlsen yesterday and today (2nd). Heading says 'Shameful" (Shammelig in NOrwegian) Carlsen replied saying he doesn't fix draws and both players deserve the Blitz Title - which indirectly shows his state of mind - which I was critical the other day. The man is going through a confused state of mind ... He seems to think he has achieved everything ... nothing left to achieve - but he has not achieved peace of mind or stability of mind. AS 90 year old Clint Eastwood said :" Luxury is being able to play with your grandchildren. Luxury is gaving your paraents alive.. Luxury is what money cannot buy!"
As of now they no longer should be saved by the benefit of a doubt. Next time anything only remotely similar to this "joke" is observed: ban them for a year or two.
WOW FIFA just adopted new rules for the World Cup finals. If a match ends in a tie and the PKs go to 3-3, the coaches can agree to stop the match and declare both teams as Champions!!! . . . After all both teams are playing high quality futbol and both teams deserve to win.
RUclips and social media making it out to be more of a controversy than it is. Firstly it’s blitz, not classical or even rapid. A joint-winner won’t throw the earth out of its axis. Secondly, if two GMs want they can theoretically draw every game unto eternity in every format. This flaw is inherent to chess. Only possible way to break a tie when two players are colluding is through armageddon which didn’t exist until few years ago. Now imagine two players colluding in the classical championship and a world champion gets decided by armageddon. If you don’t have a problem with a classical champion being decided by such a ridiculous method, you should not have a problem with a joint winner in blitz. Nothing to see here.
As Christian said in the c squared podcast with Fabi, play stupid games win stupid prizes. Let them play till eternity without food breaks and see how soon they fall in line.
Players intentionally draw matches all the time, often in quite an obvious way! I’m not happy that FIDE agreed to let them share the title, but that was FIDE’s decision.
Is it really surprising that professional chess players would try to game the system? After all, it's this very drive to find every possible edge in even positions that propels super GMs to greatness.
Both Magnus and Nepo should have been disqualified from the tournament for hinting to play out short draws until FIDE gives up. As simple as that. This is clearly match fixing, end of story!
@dontvoteforanybody3715 Well, just like any other sport, if evidence of cheating is available after the awards are given, the awards are taken away, as simple as that. Many precedents in sports!
And if they actually did play 30 draws without making any verbal statements? One way of viewing it is that Magnus was stating facts, because there were no rules to prevent it from taking place
I think game fixing is not the word because the short draws did not happen. The more appropriate word might be rules fixing. 🤣 Anyways, I think most of you are being harsh on Magnus, FIDE had the final say, you should question FIDE for making this possible not Magnus.
It seems like they all accused Hans Niemann because of themselves being a top level cheaters. We could go for Armageddon as an ultimate tie breaker system.
whatever Magnus explain, he can't change the reality that he break the rules and control the end of the game. Not a "joke" allow him escape from this incident! If FIDE doesn't do something right now, it's really disappointed to all players after that. The famous and top GM will do whatever they want after this......and then this will really a "joke"!
Next time, if Magnus dislike or doesn't want follow the rules, FIDE should just let him out......the chess world will not died just because a man. Please look forward, the earth still moving even a man turning back~
Game fixing has some truth to that.This can vindicate Hans Niemann more. Magnus wants he gets. There is only one man who can destroy FiDE that's Magnus Carlsen!
i think since magnus beat fide on the jean thing that he would take it a step farther; by changing the rules right after being allowed to play in jeans, magnus was giving fide the last middle finger, and saying dont mess with me im the great magnus; plus he ian is his friend and magnus wanted him to finally get a gold trophy! so as in chess, magnus made a calculated move and killed two birds with one stone!! they both got paid, they both are blitz world champions; fide didnt spend extra money because title and prize are shared; only real losers are the fans who expected a gud long chess battle!
Let us get this clear. Carlsen says it was a bd joke. Besides, when he spoke that to Ian did the latter too agreed? Not at all. Then, how can one player’s statement ( not action ) alone can make it a match fixing? Both Neimann whose ego was badly bruised by the loss he suffered at the hands of Carlsen, crying hoarse that ethics committee must look into it AND the Sports Today reporting this must introspect, please. 🙏
I dont think is match fixing by Magnus, but rather abusing rules, cause fide its just bunch of jokers. Fide needs to be reformed, and players have to play by the rules. This rapid/blitz chess championship showed that fide in deep menagement crysis.
It's a clear case of game fixing. No matter what the fanboys of the two clowns say. They think they can get away with everything. Which does not set good example to younger fans who look up to them
Yeah bruh Magnus won 18 world championships all by fixing right? He also fixed it with Pragg in FIDE World Cup too? Right? Or his 8 Tata Steel wins are also fixing?
Good for him. Wearing Jeans is not a crime, FIDE should have made some rules to make sure someone would win. FIDE being stupid is not his issue, Jeans Gambit worked
There must be consequences. Ban Magnus to all FIDE tournaments for at least a year. (Not sure Nepo should be punished, if he didn't agree with Magnus's plan.)
well you channel sports today, you can dislike the way the blitz champ ended bad ending without clear winner, this is normal dislike & even good one,, BUT accusing the players of match fixing & spreading these nosense, it's not good for your channel nor for chess
Threatening to match fix is not match fixing. Joking about match fixing is not match fixing. FIDE should be clear on its rules and next time don’t allow split championships. In olympics however they do allow two gold medals if tied. So there’s that.
Magnus makes rules and decisions as he goes on. When Magnus is proposing a short draws, it is match fixing. It is not a joke to propose to fix the outcome of future games. Now, we have to suspect all those games he lost to junior players.
Whenever magnus does something wrong, it was a joke. He decides they fought really well and both were deserved winners. He is just a player in the game no matter how good he is at it. A player who plays the game can say but should not decide they are the worthy winners. Should not be given a chance to mock the sports governing body unless they made mistake. Appropriate punishments should be given.
i honestly think the players we're tired. They was ready to get the championship over. It would have been better to give one more rest day and then play until its a win...
Fide needs to make clear rules and still by them. Also make an incentive to force a victor. Just like the jeans thing, they weren't clear. I don't believe they planned what happened. It just happened. They felt, shit this might take hours and i hace a new years party to get to
5 30 they could also said to get joint champion it is not mistake of magnus or lan fide didn't have decisive tiebreak news Sad but reality is when became gukesh world champion many fans came but hate spreaders also came
Carlsen is acting like a PRIMA DONA, He should follow FIDEs rules. Likewise, FIDE should have the strength of authority to impose the discipline based on its constitution.
You are guilty to get some subscribes and likes reporting such information. Chess is a mental game so decisive formats need to be in place. This is not a hockey or football match.
fide has its hands tied because if they take strict actions against someone like magnus who is currently the brand ambassador of chess his fanbase would simply not allow this.. hence the reason that magnus is molding the rules to his liking because he knows he is an immortal position
There are all friends so fide instead of practicing some penalty for fixing they accept this and carlsen to manipulate all the system playing only him with jeans!iam with Hans Niemann on this .when he made some wins against them they fast tried to slander his reputation and accuse for a cheat..these guys are the mafia of chess
Lol stop it at Gukeshs age only magnus was significantly stronger in blitz and bullet, and no way is Gukesh's style better if it was he would be a stronger fast control players and not one dimensional classical player
The world moves ahead w geniuses like Magnus. In India we wd have touched his feet for his chess. How ia God of chess not a God when in jeans. My comment limited only to his chess.
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He proposed some solution and FIDE agreed .
The moment FIDE agreed it's not match fixing. How can FIDE investigate its own action 😂
Just because FIDE agreed does not mean it is not match fixing- it can be the case where the players proposed the idea of joint winner but internally they(Magnus and Ian) could have discussed about match fixing even before the match started and an idea to show it up as a gesture of sportsmanship in the name of joint winners.
@@SreeramReddyB it's impossible to prove.
They should have insisted atleast one more game at that time.
only thing FIDE can do henceforth, keep knockout system in world champion event.
They had no rules to break. There is just no rule. That’s what they are talking about.
FIDE should learn from this. Make the rules clear. And if players don't agree then they are free to not join any FIDE event. There are other players who deserve the prize money. It's not like FIDE should beg players like Carlsen, Nepo, and Nakamura. This is an opportunity to discover new talents. Even if they are not around fans will still watch the event. And the previous candidates and WCC is proof of that
Magnus is to blame for fixing match , he knew fixing match is iilgal in any game
The rules are very clear. But it doesn't help if the arbiter is too weak to uphold the rules and to decline Magnus' request.
Fans sports not fans player 👌
@@anksssssssss its funny that those 2 finalists are so weak, that they rather accept 50% title instead of a fight and defeat. they tell themselves that they both won? they brainwash themselves that not losing is better than winning. but in the end its like saying 8 billion people are world champion, if we all agree that we are, since we are human and we love chess.. so lets all be champion! .. oh damn, its not worth anything now? well right, sharing a title this way actually means, that both were finalists.. not less, not more.
@Alexander-dt2eq it's a cheating for chess fan who wanna see good chess , they simply refused to show more chess , due to their inner insecurities , which is totally unethical .
The proof is overwhelming. No need for accusations. The two clowns swindled FIDE, the fans, the game of chess and even Ju Wenjun and Le Tinge. It is UNFAIR to the two ladies who fought till a champion won
"TILL?" They played only 6 games ! In open section they played 7 games ! People are going insane just to hate someone lol
It is unfair to all those who follow rules. Fixing the outcome before games are played, is called match fixing. It is not a joke, goor or bad.
I think both Lei and Ju would still play if the sixth game was a draw. They would play until each of them lost.
@@kevS433That’s there decision 🤷🏻♂️
It's just that fide is a group of morons who can't think beyond ..y they can't see the possibility of multiple draw ..simple tie breaker Armageddon which should have introduced .now crying is foul ..
The integrity of chess is not at stake, but the rules of FIDE. Remember the first WC match between Karpov and Kasparov? FIDE had to stop it and start a new one later due to it went on without a winner. Maybe Magnus is more right than most people will admit that the format of championsship games should be changed. (Armageddon game??)
@@erikskov8759 FIDE need to go through it's rule book , to adapt new reality. Increase Popularity physical chess in era of online gaming. Make classical chess more fast.
What Magnus said after game number seven was not good enough to suggest Match fixing. Both of them having played seven games between them as well as earlier matches must have been very tired at the end of the day and probably it must have been stated as a hypothetical possibility and exposing the provisions without application of mind.
More over expecting the finalists to play indefinite number of tie breaker games is very cruel and not befitting to the world championship.
It is not unpresented....karpov and Kasparov shared the title of the Soviet Union...the biggest chess event at that time .....after a series of draws.
This guy does not like Carlsen....its obvious
Exactly. He's siding with Hans which is a joke.
Hans freakin cheated countless times in Titled Tuesdays and this reported is drawing parallel of that in this situation or Dubov/Nepo situation of last year.
I'm amazed why these reporters that have obvious bias are selected to report.
Anyone who watched all matches can see all matches were basically dog fights and not quick draws.
If this was say Niemann and Murzin attempting to share the title there is no way FIDE would have complied.
Wow, match fixing is the stupidest thing I’ve heard in this case. I thought chess was a game of intelligent people. In Chess, the draw is an option and there were no rules to stop a draw from being an option so the match ended in a draw! It’s simple!
No it's not.
In any other sport it's specially called match fixing.
Chess having option to draw. It has option to draw on board where game can't go any further.
The choice of draw can't be allowed to have even before the game is being played.
There should be strict action against magnus.
Can't have him just breaking all the rules, if he doesn't like it he should not play.
In other sports draws are only "an option" in quarter finals for example, because they can no longer influence the course of the championship. If you allow draws to happen everywhere, you allow multiple players to collude, they can for example manipulate the matches in such a way that player A will never face off with player B. Draws are just a really bad idea in general, they leave a competition open to collusion.
It seems like it was completely unnecessary from Magnus to say that stuff - "We will play out short draws" to Ian. I mean FIDE too is the culprit here. If they have this rule to play tie breakers to determine winner, then they should have continued with the games and if the above conversation came into their notice, quick and prompt action should have been taken.
If fode doesn't have proper rules does that justify fixing mac3th ??
@@anksssssssss That is what I have mentioned that they should have continued with the tie breakers as it is the rule. Nothing should be left open then.
@@anksssssssss What was unclear about the tiebreak rules? They said, "Play until there is a winner."
Does it really counts as match fixing ...bcoz they didnt played afterwards ...and also if u see previous wc 23 where maxime and magnus making joke of drawing in 10 moves ruclips.net/user/shortshbw2DwYZlYQ?si=RcTKsgWp191mAB3R
It was probably a joke. I think almost the whole chess world would have supported a double disqualification if that happened, and a suspension of both players.
How will magnus know ian gona reach finals🤣
Seriously, we indians are more butt hurt than Hans and Kramanik.
Yes it's really terrible to see actually. Whining like this gives you bad will.
Aren’t we always? Never can take a joke, always see everything so serious, even a job at fkin Tea shop
True😂😂😂
I don’t know why but after a Gukesh’s win , every random chess fan from India is ready to pounce on Magnus and others . We can’t even imagine playing 1 game at their level but somehow want them to continue playing like superhumans.😢
It is clear the players fixed the match. A very sad day for chess...
Cricket team also fix , otherwise how can team loses chasing 140 runs in mumbai test against NZ
Lost by 20 runs , nz whitewash India.
Loosing bring in more dowry dough 😅
In any case joint winners is a bad idea - FIDE should be strict with their rules and if rules are not clear then make the rules clear and make it in such a way that there is always only 1 winner.
When I first heard the conversation, I was smiling because I knew they are just joking just to ease some pressure but I didn't expect that the people will take it out of context and try to accuse of "Match - Fixing" ! Also that conversation was after the game no. 7 which was ended in a draw and after that no game happened. So how did they fix the match ? People are going mindless just to hate someone ! There could have been a rule determining the number of games they have to play for example 10 and then after that , it goes to armageddon ! They have been playing for 6 hours and also it's new years eve, everybody has to go home (even the spectators) and celebrate with the family. I understand there can't be two blitz world champion but for now it is the reality ! Magnus asked Nepo he said "YES" to share the prize , then they asked Chief Arbiter and then asked to Fide's President/Vice president before coming to a conclusion. Learn a lesson and the make the rules clear the next time about what happens if they get to certain number of draws ..
You don't even joke about playing out a string of draws to force FIDE's hand. That's collusion.
These Indian news channels just spreading misinformation and spreading hate towards world class chess players just pathetic. Indians being Indians😂
Magnus is bullying FIDE but, technically, FIDE which is the governing body, is the one liable here for not pushing the tournament to conclusion. This tournament is an unfinished business and now we have no champion, only two finalists.
fully agree! and what people forget. Rules are in place to protect players! such that they do not have to think about what to do in an extreme situation. This can only backfire for both finalists now. Personally i lost respect for Magnus. will not watch his games any more. Rules are actually in place to protect players from these moral fights... but Magnus does want them. so he is getting them now! be prepared!
This could be easily avoided if there is rule of armageddon
@@ashishparmar5045 I agree, some form of armageddon should be played, best one is a chess clock setting without increments.
Excellent suggestion!@@melodychest9020
Yes. Magnus and Nepo are guilty of match fixing. I have been observing that since Gukesh won World Championship, Magnus is restless and can not take it. If he wants his crown back, then he can play the candidates and come into championship cycle. But he can not do this kind of cheap tricks. And he should remember that he is damaging his own reputation.
How the fk they fixed the match if no other match happened after the conversation. Also people need some common sense to understand that they were joking to ease up some pressure! Guess what, two friends can't even chat in public ! People are going insane just to hate somebody. Also where were you when India and Russia shared the gold medal for olympiad ??
@@shivajoshi6012bro these fans are new to chess, they started following chess because gukesh became the wcc, which is good actually as chess will get more support but they just dont know anything. Leave them be
Gukesh is not enough to make Magnus restless. Relax.
U r probably new to chess. Magnus didn’t lose his crown, he gave it away. And also he can’t be jealous of anyone cuz he’s already won everything
@@paradox-x9e don't argue with them bro they're just cricket fans with zero chess knowledge and came to know about chess because gukesh won
Carlsen is good for chess. You cannot deny that. Who watches a event without Carlsen ? But it seems Carlsen era will end soon as the new gen is impressive. and that is not a bad thing.. FIDE should also be a strong body and should not bend its rules to pacify the top player.
Dubov giving Boost to Hans to make
it to the Semifinal felt Suspicious.
I think the Open Section of Rapid
World Championship was Fixed. 😊
FIDE needs to be disbanded....first they had the audacity to trouble magnus for wearing jeans.....now they want to get back at him.....its sick....magnus should just start his own organization....a lot of players disgusted with the bureaucrats have done it....history repeats itself here yet again
The true class in this act are Ju Wenjun and Le Tinge. They showed professionalism and promoted the spirit of competition
Who
People say Indians are just targeting Magnus, but in fact, it’s Magnus who’s been targeting Indian chess legend Vishy, who probably tried his best to help Magnus in jeans incident. Magnus has made fun of Garry, insulted Vishy, and criticized commentators when he is also human with some imperfections. While it’s undeniable that Magnus is a great chess player and a good person to his fans, it's important to remember that no one is above respectful conduct. It’s one thing to express frustration or disagreement, but targeting others, especially when you're unsure of the full picture, isn't the way forward.
If the accusation turns out to be true then they should be stripped of the title. Fairness is king.
That is why Armageddon games were created. Imagine if in the World Cup the 2 finalists decide they both want to win the WC title and agree to share it. Penalties were created to stop that from happening (even though it might seem unfair to lose the WC to penalties) ... and Armageddon was created for the exact same reason in chess. A winner needs to be crowned. I don't blame the players, I blame the rules that allow such a thing to happen.
you're talking about something we'll never know would have happened if FIDE refused the request to split the title
Because Magnus is friendly, he gets accused. Wtf. Let him be Magnus
If they would have played draws after this it would have been match fixing but fide agreed so...
This is a polarising issue for sure. Personally I believe it was the right decision all things considered. It was an oversight that FIDE hadn't seen this situation becoming a possibility and will now shore up the rules.
I both enjoy and dislike chess drama.
This controversy may improve future tournaments if they change the rules to include an armageddon tie break.
blame it on FIDE, they always have the right to deny carlsen's request. if they play short draws then warn them that they could face disqualification if they continue to do so.
Asking why the women's finalists played their games is not logically relevant. You would only have a point if they WEREN'T allowed a joint championship after asking.
In the video idk if magnus says "we can" or "we should". Either way there is room to intrepret. Was he trying to matchfix or just simply stating the obvious flaw of having no proper tie-break?
In chess it's very easy to draw at the highest lvls. A perfect example can be seen in this tournament itself. In the Open section when there were multiple players all on 8 points and right after, the vast majority effortlessly made draws in just a few moves, in multiple games.
Regardless, Magnus should not have made that comment. Imo he should also have played more rounds before suggesting the sharing title.
There is no world, were tournament rules can be changed during the tournament. So it wouldn't have crossed the women's mind that sharing the title might be an option. As it probalby didn't cross Dubov's and Naroditsky's mind to ask if they could have a 10 players final.
Why fide approved this proposal?
I think FIDE was Part of this Fixing.
The supposedly 'short draws' never happened. Even if the intent was not a joke, it was never consummated.
Lol those who have not watched the games live only can make such claims ..magnus was leading 2-0 .if it was fixing it would have been draw..they both were fighting for win here..the tie breaker is supposed to be tie breaker and not keep playing multiple matches again then what's the point of having 4 games to start with if tie breaker again need 4 games lol
Gukesh won during 14 th tie breaking match of classical chess
FIDE only proved they are not serious about their rules
Even now the two may wipe out the shame of bullying FIDE by match fixing, by resuming play. Chess world demands one champion in blitz.
So this is FIDE Approved Match Fixing.
Nah. It's an organization discovering it has been played by their number 1 ranked player and found itself in a potential PR diaster where the 2 players sanctioned for dress code violations are making new demands. FIDE meekly complies and hopes it will all go away. Not!😅
Before anyone says anything just know that Magnus is the most decorated champion ever in the history of chess and currently the richest chess player. He's the GOAT.
And he's a "fixer"
Also a CLOWN🤡
@@uurk5lo4did he fix he's classical world championships too?
This worship mentality is why chess community has no respect lmao. His fanbase is a cult and doesn't even like chess
@@haxor-rex5705 Action speaks louder than words.
I think the comment by Carlson was a joke. FIDE should have simply refused. The arbiter or whoever made the decision to allow it is the main culprit. At the same time I can’t say I’m at all a fan of Carlson’s antics.
None sense accusations, leave Magnus alone
There was a rule that says they will not stop playing until someone wins a game.
Well it seems that FIDE did not enforce that rule
Playing to a quick draw is not quite the same as cheating. In the last round of the swiss portion of the blitz tournament all 4 top boards made a quick draw (3 of them by playing Berlin), with Hans playing one of those draws, for strategic reasons. Players thought that a draw gives them better chance to advance to knockout rather than trying to win and thus opening oneself to the possibility of a loss. Was this wrong?
The Dubov - Nepo draw was punished for the perverted form in which it was made, not for the draw as such. The play the same Berlin opening - nothing happens.
Magnus may have joked about repeated draws, but that didn’t even happen in the final round! And if draws equals match fixing then all top 8 players would be guilty from the previous round.
Nothing wrong to share trophy after 7match fight and still tie
Where is ut written that its ok after 7 matches? This is simply unfair to every player in the tournament and especially lei and ju.
7 matches... of 3-minute Blitz? 21 minutes of work is too much for a World final?
@@michaelcook3816 Apparently yes. Even for players who have given more than 30 years of their 34 year life. Interesting right.
Nothing wrong with it since FIDE agreed. 😂
If FIDE didn't make controversy on jeans clothing, I am sure MAGNUS would have won the title alone(as the controversy definitely affected his ability and go for sharing the title)
which rule have they broken? Can't they draw the matches? is it illegal? Even had Carlsen had whispered in Nepo's ear and nobody had this audio, what then? Did you see the matches on the first day of blitz. Once many players were in the top eight after 11 rounds, everyone was playing for a draw except those who were not in the top 8. What is a tie breaker? Can't they draw. Everyone will play only defense in the situations. so, unless rules change, and the rules are enforced and you don't punish irrelevant infarctions of rules like jeans etc. by disqualifying a player for an entire round, FIDE's events will always be shrouded in controversy.
Today (2nd Jan) All over the world players - American, Russian, Indian, Ukranaina and Norwegian (!) have strongly condemned the sharing . Norwegian newspaper VG which supports Chess and covers all world events LIVE has severly attacked Carlsen yesterday and today (2nd). Heading says 'Shameful" (Shammelig in NOrwegian)
Carlsen replied saying he doesn't fix draws and both players deserve the Blitz Title - which indirectly shows his state of mind - which I was critical the other day. The man is going through a confused state of mind ... He seems to think he has achieved everything ... nothing left to achieve - but he has not achieved peace of mind or stability of mind. AS 90 year old Clint Eastwood said :" Luxury is being able to play with your grandchildren. Luxury is gaving your paraents alive.. Luxury is what money cannot buy!"
As of now they no longer should be saved by the benefit of a doubt. Next time anything only remotely similar to this "joke" is observed: ban them for a year or two.
WOW FIFA just adopted new rules for the World Cup finals. If a match ends in a tie and the PKs go to 3-3, the coaches can agree to stop the match and declare both teams as Champions!!! . . . After all both teams are playing high quality futbol and both teams deserve to win.
RUclips and social media making it out to be more of a controversy than it is. Firstly it’s blitz, not classical or even rapid. A joint-winner won’t throw the earth out of its axis. Secondly, if two GMs want they can theoretically draw every game unto eternity in every format. This flaw is inherent to chess. Only possible way to break a tie when two players are colluding is through armageddon which didn’t exist until few years ago. Now imagine two players colluding in the classical championship and a world champion gets decided by armageddon. If you don’t have a problem with a classical champion being decided by such a ridiculous method, you should not have a problem with a joint winner in blitz. Nothing to see here.
As Christian said in the c squared podcast with Fabi, play stupid games win stupid prizes. Let them play till eternity without food breaks and see how soon they fall in line.
Players intentionally draw matches all the time, often in quite an obvious way! I’m not happy that FIDE agreed to let them share the title, but that was FIDE’s decision.
Is it really surprising that professional chess players would try to game the system?
After all, it's this very drive to find every possible edge in even positions that propels super GMs to greatness.
Well, I think the "repetition draw" needs to go.
Both Magnus and Nepo should have been disqualified from the tournament for hinting to play out short draws until FIDE gives up. As simple as that. This is clearly match fixing, end of story!
Except that the video didn't appear until after FIDE made its decision. Punishments are called for.
@dontvoteforanybody3715 Well, just like any other sport, if evidence of cheating is available after the awards are given, the awards are taken away, as simple as that. Many precedents in sports!
There is no rules against agreeing to draw. In the last round all the top 18 players had quick short draws. Don't blame the players, blame the rules.
And if they actually did play 30 draws without making any verbal statements? One way of viewing it is that Magnus was stating facts, because there were no rules to prevent it from taking place
If they are disqualified who would win? So and Duda?
I think game fixing is not the word because the short draws did not happen. The more appropriate word might be rules fixing. 🤣
Anyways, I think most of you are being harsh on Magnus, FIDE had the final say, you should question FIDE for making this possible not Magnus.
It seems like they all accused Hans Niemann because of themselves being a top level cheaters.
We could go for Armageddon as an ultimate tie breaker system.
whatever Magnus explain, he can't change the reality that he break the rules and control the end of the game. Not a "joke" allow him escape from this incident! If FIDE doesn't do something right now, it's really disappointed to all players after that. The famous and top GM will do whatever they want after this......and then this will really a "joke"!
The simple answer is add an Armageddon if you don’t want draws.
Next time, if Magnus dislike or doesn't want follow the rules, FIDE should just let him out......the chess world will not died just because a man. Please look forward, the earth still moving even a man turning back~
Game fixing has some truth to that.This can vindicate Hans Niemann more. Magnus wants he gets. There is only one man who can destroy FiDE that's Magnus Carlsen!
i think since magnus beat fide on the jean thing that he would take it a step farther; by changing the rules right after being allowed to play in jeans, magnus was giving fide the last middle finger, and saying dont mess with me im the great magnus; plus he ian is his friend and magnus wanted him to finally get a gold trophy! so as in chess, magnus made a calculated move and killed two birds with one stone!! they both got paid, they both are blitz world champions; fide didnt spend extra money because title and prize are shared; only real losers are the fans who expected a gud long chess battle!
Let us get this clear.
Carlsen says it was a bd joke.
Besides, when he spoke that to Ian did the latter too agreed? Not at all. Then, how can one player’s statement ( not action ) alone can make it a match fixing?
Both Neimann whose ego was badly bruised by the loss he suffered at the hands of Carlsen, crying hoarse that ethics committee must look into it AND the Sports Today reporting this must introspect, please. 🙏
This is foolish presentation. Why on earth did FIDE agree?
No He is a champion
I dont think is match fixing by Magnus, but rather abusing rules, cause fide its just bunch of jokers. Fide needs to be reformed, and players have to play by the rules. This rapid/blitz chess championship showed that fide in deep menagement crysis.
It's a clear case of game fixing. No matter what the fanboys of the two clowns say. They think they can get away with everything. Which does not set good example to younger fans who look up to them
17 time champion fixing the game. Go on hating him
Yeah bruh Magnus won 18 world championships all by fixing right?
He also fixed it with Pragg in FIDE World Cup too? Right?
Or his 8 Tata Steel wins are also fixing?
If the two clowns still think they did nothing wrong then their morals towards the game and maybe even life itself is questionable
This was not matchfixing. And Niemann will always want revenge - and is neither balanced or wise - as yet🥰
Magnus being magnus..new rules for me..I will do whatever I want , wear jeans, change title rules etc 😂😂😂
Good for him. Wearing Jeans is not a crime, FIDE should have made some rules to make sure someone would win. FIDE being stupid is not his issue, Jeans Gambit worked
@ To be honest Magnus was scared of loosing that is why he didn’t want to play one more match.
There must be consequences. Ban Magnus to all FIDE tournaments for at least a year. (Not sure Nepo should be punished, if he didn't agree with Magnus's plan.)
well you channel sports today, you can dislike the way the blitz champ ended bad ending without clear winner, this is normal dislike & even good one,, BUT accusing the players of match fixing & spreading these nosense, it's not good for your channel nor for chess
Threatening to match fix is not match fixing. Joking about match fixing is not match fixing. FIDE should be clear on its rules and next time don’t allow split championships. In olympics however they do allow two gold medals if tied. So there’s that.
Magnus makes rules and decisions as he goes on. When Magnus is proposing a short draws, it is match fixing. It is not a joke to propose to fix the outcome of future games. Now, we have to suspect all those games he lost to junior players.
Whenever magnus does something wrong, it was a joke. He decides they fought really well and both were deserved winners. He is just a player in the game no matter how good he is at it. A player who plays the game can say but should not decide they are the worthy winners. Should not be given a chance to mock the sports governing body unless they made mistake. Appropriate punishments should be given.
The lowest rated Player (Ian Nepo here) should be declared the winner as the Highest rated player Magnus could not defeat Ian Nepo.
i honestly think the players we're tired. They was ready to get the championship over. It would have been better to give one more rest day and then play until its a win...
I guess you don't understand what cheating is in chess
Fide needs to make clear rules and still by them. Also make an incentive to force a victor. Just like the jeans thing, they weren't clear. I don't believe they planned what happened. It just happened. They felt, shit this might take hours and i hace a new years party to get to
5 30 they could also said to get joint champion it is not mistake of magnus or lan fide didn't have decisive tiebreak news
Sad but reality is when became gukesh world champion many fans came but hate spreaders also came
Done with Magnus the most moment he used the jeans incident to do what he wanted all along: bully fide and break away"
Fanboys can still watch Carlsen and Nakamura stream their games on lichess if they refuse to join FIDE events
Holding back tears 😂😂😂
But would fide afford that now?
We all see how the sponsors and fide immediately held meeting and almost begged to get him back
Carlsen is acting like a PRIMA DONA, He should follow FIDEs rules. Likewise, FIDE should have the strength of authority to impose the discipline based on its constitution.
It can be match fixing.
No. Otherwise dozens of Players long before the final where guilty of that.
Great reporting. My new chess channel now.
Magnus- Nakamura tried to destroy career of Hans Neiman after getting ass kicked
he calls it joking now that hes caught on video
Magnus is the best player in history.
You are guilty to get some subscribes and likes reporting such information. Chess is a mental game so decisive formats need to be in place. This is not a hockey or football match.
fide has its hands tied because if they take strict actions against someone like magnus who is currently the brand ambassador of chess his fanbase would simply not allow this.. hence the reason that magnus is molding the rules to his liking because he knows he is an immortal position
It’s clear that Carlson is getting arrogant. Refused to budge on his jeans matter. So temperamental.
There are all friends so fide instead of practicing some penalty for fixing they accept this and carlsen to manipulate all the system playing only him with jeans!iam with Hans Niemann on this .when he made some wins against them they fast tried to slander his reputation and accuse for a cheat..these guys are the mafia of chess
Niemann is a self admitted cheater
This could be decided by toss.
I think Gukesh has potential to become stronger. His style is more exciting than Carlsen
Lol stop it at Gukeshs age only magnus was significantly stronger in blitz and bullet, and no way is Gukesh's style better if it was he would be a stronger fast control players and not one dimensional classical player
The world moves ahead w geniuses like Magnus. In India we wd have touched his feet for his chess. How ia God of chess not a God when in jeans. My comment limited only to his chess.
😂😂😂
Both players should be stripped of their titles and the champion goes to the 3rd player who is ....
Amazing that chess is covered like this