You helped the dealer near me with this video. Traded in my 17 Tacoma TRD off road for a new 24 Forester Wilderness. Thanks for your videos Subaru - Looking at the comment section in your videos shows I'm not the only one. Maybe Subaru should be giving you a free car at this rate.
After I had hip replacement, I was told that Forester was recommended by an orthopedic association for ease of getting in and out. That is truly an asset for older drivers along with the visibility aspects. Maybe this isn't a useful endorsement for the younger and sportier crowd. However I just had a second replacement of a hip, but I wouldn't replace my Forester!!
Excellent comparison. And we just drove home in our 2025 Outback Premium with package 13. I'm not a sunroof fan, and it looks like the Android Auto map program is better than the factory TomTom map program. The car rides quiet and smooth, and my boy racer days are over, so I didn't need the turbo version. Thanks again for all you do for us Subaru enthusiasts.
I thought I would add my experience on this in the hopes it helps someone considering these two cars...Up until last month (Nov 2024), I owned a 2020 Forester - well, it was my wife's primary vehicle. (I currently drive a 2024 Accord hybrid). However, my local Subaru dealership reached out to see if I would be interested in the new 2025 Forester. One of the big grips my wife and I both had with our current Forester can be a bit loud on the highway. I was telling her that was one criticism the 2025 Forester addressed. I also did suggest to her to also consider looking at the Outback. I reached back out to the dealer and asked if my wife and I could test drive both the Outback and Forester. We first set off in the Outback, my wife drove, and while I was sitting shotgun, I kept it to myself, but I quickly knew how much more refined the Outback's ride was over the 2020 Forester. After getting on the highway, it was obviously a quieter and more car like vehicle. After getting back to the dealer and waiting to bring the 2025 Forester up for the test, I told my wife I really liked the Outback, and she agreed. After climbing into the 2025 Forester, it had basically the same ride as the 2020 and it was a little quieter, but no contest the Outback was to me the better vehicle. My wife felt the same and we were discussing it if we were simply going from 2020 to the 2025 Forester - it would have been no deal, and we would have kept the 2020 Forester. After all, we have a little over 50K on the odometer and no issues at all with the car. I am not putting down the new Forester so don't get me wrong, the 2025 Forester is quite nice, and I think it was improved over the 2020. Just not enough to move on to the new generation. TBH, pricing is a problem. Granted all automobiles are way to high post COVID but I think the Forester priced too high. And if I am being honest, every other vehicle on the road being an SUV is getting boring. If it is not obvious, we went with the Outback Touring trim, and it was a bonus the preferred color was available (blue with black interior). For perspective, it is the 2.5 NA and not the XT. Is it a little slow; maybe. Under normal driving no issues in town and getting on the highway, once you are up to speed, the non-turbo is adequate. I will state it again what I like better with the Outback over the Forester, is more cargo space and that it rides and handles more like a car, hence the Outback is a lifted wagon and not a full-blown SUV. To me that is a major positive in the Outback's favor and not a negative. As for the future of the Outback, since Subaru is dropping the Legacy and the spy photos of 2026 looking more like an SUV, is that going to hurt future sales of the Outback? Is the car-like ride going to radically change? I am sure the prices will also go up. It seems like Subaru is moving away from what made the Outback, the Outback and it could be just another box on wheels SUV.
I just purchased the Outback, based on watching many of your videos. Thank you. You made the decision easier. I absolutely love my Outback. I just finished a trip involving 1000 miles while towing a trailer with 1500 lbs. it was great but because of the trailer I lost 10 MPG, which was expected but still adverged 28 MPG.
The 2025 Subaru Forester is a very comfortable vehicle to drive, sort of reminds me of a Cadillac it's so comfortable. I really like it, very comfortable vehicle, beautifully made seats and interior. I love the visibility. What I hate is the Auto Start/Stop, I absolutely hate it. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. Another thing, the Forester is beautiful, it's a fine looking vehicle. Not a fan of 'moon/sun roofs' though. Another thing, the gas gauge is backwards, Full is where Empty would be at the top of the gauge, it's like a backwards gauge located under the speedometer. The gas cap is also on the passenger side. Which is weird. lol If Roomy is what you like, then the Forester is for you, because it's got some room to it. You won't feel claustrophobic in a Forester.
I chose the Forester over rhe outback because of the seating position and roomy feel of the cabin over the Outback. Im both big and tall and the Forester suits me better. Im looking forward to the hybrid.
I drove an Outback Touring XT for two weeks as a loaner from the dealer. I ended up buying the 2025 Forester Sport. The visibility and driving postion is much more comfortable in the Forester. I loved the power in the XT but I didn't like the actual ride. Visibility on the driver front quarter is quite bad due to the roof pillar and the seating angle. Both are fine vehicles.
Hey! Took a test drive of both the Forester and Outback, and generally liked them, but there are a couple of things I can’t quite figure out or decide on for myself. As someone with more experience, did you ever feel like the steering is too light and sensitive, almost like you’re losing control at times? And how are the seats on long drives? they felt a bit narrow and firm to me... Do your legs and back get tired after a while? Would love to hear your thoughts on these :)
Right now I have a 22 Forester Sport and I love it what sucks about the 25 is I need a trailer hitch so I wouldn't be able to get the foot sensor so now I'm going to have to look at the Outback that's equivalent in price to the Forester Sport still undecided.
My wife likes her Lexus RDX’s higher seating position. She is sure to prefer the higher seating position in the Forester…we are about to try both Subarus. Unless she strongly prefers the added space of the Outback, my guess is the Forester will be living at our house. I get to inherit the Lexus to replace my Tacoma so it will have a trailer hitch installed to be the family utility vehicle.
Hi Alex. Thanks very much for your content. I’m going to be picking up my third Forester limited this month and am looking forward to the new driving dynamics you are speaking of. I was very close to getting an Outback xt limited. Your video helped reinforce my decision by showing how the seats are mounted between the two. This something one would not ordinarily pick up on. Thanks again.
Alex, awesome video and timing is perfect as my wife is wrestling with the decision of trading her 2019 Subaru Ascent she's had for 6 years for either a 2025 Forester or Outback. Please correct me if I'm mistaken but for fuel economy as long as I stay away from the Wilderness or XTs the gas mileage is similar between the Forester and Outback. I appreciate your in depth explanation of the seating scenarios between both cars, especially coming out of the Ascent. She's looked at both in the showroom and the next step is to test drive them. Heck, I couldn't get her interested in the Honda CRV Hybrid what we test drove with 38-40MPG, she didn't like the way it felt sitting in the driver's area compared to the Ascent, and felt much more comfortable with the Subarus she looked at. Any other helpful tips would be great, we are looking at the Limited and Touring packages for both, but I also stumbled across the Outback Onyx that looks really nice. Thank you so much!
Thank you! You're correct, the Outback and Forester with the standard 2.5L will have similar mpg. If she hasn't already, I'd suggest test driving the 2.5 and the 2.4T that comes in the Outback. She might like the turbo option since she is already used to that in her 2019 Ascent. I've found the mpg is only about 3 mpg less on the turbo Outback compared to the NA versions. Hope this helps!
The most important difference for me is the Outback is built in America while the Forester is still built in Japan. The American built Subarus have had build quality issues. The Forester has been bulletproof for years. Mine has 52,000 miles with no problems. I’d buy another one with no hesitation.
The vast majority of commenters for a car enthusiast or otherwise someone interested in cars video recommends the Outback XT for a good reason. Most people who are into cars recognise the 2.5L H4 engine to be a true slug when used to drive a 4 ton vehicle. In the Impreza, sure, although it's still not as peppy as the older 2000's Subbie engine/transmission combos. I'm happily driving the Outback Limited XT as my daily driver and it uses pretty much the same amount of gas as my old 2007 Impreza naturally aspirated 2.5L. Perfect.
I'm 6'2". After driving a 25 Forester for 3 days, I think my 23 Outback has more comfortable seats. I think my bicycle would fit in the Forester better. I like the crossbars on the Outback, but prefer the sunroof of the Forester. I also prefer the overall style of the Outback. Pretty close, honestly... But I still love my Outback.
The choice is obvious for me since I bought the 2024 Outback Onyx Edition XT instead of Forester (or anything else for that matter). That 2.4 Turbo Boxer is a game changer. 0-60 in 5.5-5.8 secs while still being able to make 25 MPG in the city. Plus Outback is simply prettier. Beautiful car with sexy design inside and outside.
@@Scybren That's exactly what makes the Outback XT so special - 260 HP on a REGULAR GAS! It's a WRX engine tuned up for 87 Octane that makes this Outback as quick as WRX itself (if not quicker in most occasions). Isn't that cool?
Hey Alex, thanks for the great review, one of the best I've seen! I’m stuck between these two models, both have things I like but I’m not sure how they actually feel in real life. I love the higher driving position and visibility in the Forester, but does it really feel noticeably narrower than the Outback? And in general, which one do you think handles better or feels more comfortable to drive? Thanks a lot!
Due to the upgraded screen in the Forester, I’m glad I bought the 24 model. I also wish there was an option to get 5he limited edition forester without a moonroof. I never use mine.
One thing not mentioned is cabin space for driver. Height is more than just a sitting position, it also affects surroundings. I'm a bit wider than average, so I notice the difference pretty much immediately - in Outback it feels way too cramped, in Forester I can seat comfortably for hours. Test drove both because at first Forester test drive wasn't available (car was already out and test driver was late to return, so dealer offered to drive Outback instead of waiting), it was also in winter with winter coat on, which made me even wider. Returned Outback in 15 minutes because I couldn't comfortably seat in it, sat in Forester and immediately noticed difference. Ended up buying even older SJ Forester from dealer, love it.
I live in an older i garage house and getting my 2024 outback in is VERY tight. I have resorted to backing in extremely slowly. Im also only 5 ft 3 so the Forester has appeal - gives me 2 more inches and a higher seat😊
I got a question. bought a used 2022 outback on feb 23 2024. battery died today. tried going to subaru dealership where i bought it from guy at the service center says theres no warranty coverage on the battery with the gold coverage whatever it is that i got for the car when i bought it. got home and looked at the battery closer and see a 12/23 circle sticker on it and the subaru 30month free replacement decal. Am i able to show them that to get a free battery replacement?? its hast even been a year yet and the battery pooped out on me.
Hey Alex. Really enjoy your videos. My choice is the Outback. Have owned both a Forester and an Outback and to me the Outback wins hands down! I am eagerly awaiting the announcement of the 2026 Outback! Any new info on when that may happen??
I have a 22 Forester Wilderness and I love it, I just wish it had a turbo option, so I’m considering an Outback Wilderness next. Also, I really don’t care for the 2025 exterior redesign on the Foresters.
Alex! Thank you so much for these helpful videos! I have finally decided to purchase a 2025 Outback. I am still undecided about submodel. It's between Premium with OP 13 and Onyx/XT. I have test driven both. I would like to test the Onyx Edition so I can compare to the XT. I didn't see any videos on Onyx on your channel. What do you think about the differences between the 3 submodels?
That's a tough choice! I have the Onyx non-turbo so mine is right in between the Premium trim and the Onyx XT. I'm a huge fan of the way the Onyx looks with the black wheels. I also wanted something with interior that was easy to keep clean. Naturally, the Onyx interior is going to be easier to clean than the Premium. I chose the Onyx non-turbo because I thought the mpg would be significantly better but it's really not much different than the XT option (roughly 3 mpg difference). If you intend to pull any kind of weight and you like the the additional hp/torque, I'd go for the Onyx XT. You also get the full size matching spare with the Onyx XT, which I think is a nice add.
@@alexpmo Thanks Alex! We bought the 2025 Onyx XT in Cosmic Blue Pearl! We had to order it from a dealership in Sioux Falls, SD (we are in Omaha, NE) but it was worth the wait
Ascent vs Outback vs Forester. Need advice for Cargo space 2nd row down. Can you do the measurements between the Wheel Wells left to right in inches. And cargo opening height up to down in inches? And length from passenger 2nd row control centre in the center to the cargo door opening length in inches? For all the cars?
forester got the upgrade i want looking for.. FYI 2009 2014 2024 forester owner... was thinking to move over to 2025 for the hybrid on Forester/ Outback... now... i'm staying... (wilderness will do the job fine... dont need that extra length on the outback
we've had our 2025 Forester for a few weeks now. Things I love are too long to list (comfort, height, screen, etc) but the things I don't like are just two. First, stupid cupholder location. What the actual duck is Subaru thinking??!! Second is the inability to not have the radio come on as soon as the engine does. There's a few little other things but nothing to the point I grumble each and every time I get into the car.
I am interested in both the forester and outback, but I need to know which one will better suit my family of 4 and be comfortable for my husband because he is a big guy. We currently have a 2018 Hyundai Elantra, and he has to put the seat all the way back to drive comfortably, but it's uncomfortable for when my children have to seat behind him because there's no leg room.
I can see most of your videos tend to be associated with the Outback, or Forester, but please can you sometimes do a video, or comparison with the Ascent. I don’t seem to see many of your videos covering the Ascent. I have a 2023 Ascent and I’d like to know how things have changed over the last couple of years with the Ascent. Have there been any noticeable differences lately? Thanks for your channel.
Hi I don't know how else to leave a message but can you do a video about the nationalwide shortage on subie windshield...ETA is unknown and others before me have been waiting for months....is there a comparable alternative and what do I jeopardize if I go with alternative I'd hate for another peddle to drop 😢 and shatter the glass completely
I owned a 2019 outback until recently. I've bought a 2025 Outback Premium. I'm noticing when I'm driving at 30 to 45 mph no stress on the engine then apply power there is a definite jolt. My 2019 did not do this. Could I possibly have a transmission issue. About 3800 miles
Outback because the roof rail system is beautiful. I had to drive my LL Bean Outback with those goofy crossbars permanently installed for over 18 years. Also it's easier to wash with the lower roof. Yeah, I wash my cars because I'm a tightwad who doesn't go to the Super Auto Wash for 20 bucks a pop.
I really wish the towing capacity on the forester were higher. I also wonder why they can't put the hand sensor in the door emblem on the liftgate of the forrester if you get a hitch.
@@Slurpcat1 the Forester won’t have a hybrid option until the 2026 model year. The Outback doesn’t currently have a hybrid option but we’re hoping to get that after the Forester hybrid is released. If you meant to say turbo option like the Outback, the Forester isn’t likely to get that either
I have the 2025 Forester Touring model. My biggest disappointment is that this model doesn't have Home link. This is my third Subaru Forester and they always had home link. Even the dealership was not aware of this. I didn't know until I took the car home and tried to set up the garage door opener. Now I have to use 3 garage and gate openers. With all the crazy stuff they now have in this car they discontinue something as useful as home link.Shame on you Subaru!
You mean the Touring has No ability to garage door open? I just got a 2025 Forester Sport and mine has what appears to be 3 options. I do have one button synced for my garage, which is a nice option.
@@MaggieChasse-e3n here you go! Be sure to use your original garage door opener. After market remotes won’t work on the newer model Subarus. ruclips.net/video/QpWzHUpmJ98/видео.htmlsi=t4uNN3BEdQaNHa8L
Are you able to give me/us, some idea of the longevity and maintenance of the CVT unit in the ‘24 Outback XT, when used for occasional towing (1.2 tons), please, as I am waiting on delivery of an Australia-spec Outback Touring XT this month?
I'm driving my 3rd Subaru Outback 2021 Limited and the lease ends in December. I don't like the looks of the newer Outbacks because of all the black accents they've added. It just looks ugly to me. I've considered going back to the Ascent that I had before this Outback. And of course it's only my opinion, but the Wilderness models with that orange accents is pretty ugly as well. I am a big fan of Subaru's. And I always enjoy your reviews.
Im actually pretty worn down after I took the car in and they said it would cost $600 to look at warranty issues like the dcm, nav update and transmission. Kicked out of anthother dealership! Heres what I'm asking, send me the truth of all the times I went to the dealerships for help that aren't on the service records. The service record doesn't have the 3 hour wait for no update from Carlsbad or the last attempt as instructed by Glen to see if the car battery would not go dead. If you really wanted to be a champion and take down the Subaru mafia, you could send me all the phone conversations including the one that the cvt is not part of the drivetrain. I said I was worn down and I am I have one last gasp after I hear or don't hear back from you and the above information would be helpful. I always look at things how they read on the front page of the paper. SUBARU WON'T COVER CVT AS IT IS NOT PART OF THE DRIVETRAIN! SUBARU ADVOCACY SAYS" have the dealer check the dcm" DEALER TELLS CUSTOMER $200 TO CHECK EACH WARRANT ISSUE. 56,000 MILES THREE BATTERIES, TWO TRANSMISSIONS, CLASS ACTION NAVIGATION SYSTEM, FUEL PUMP RECALL, REPLACED BAD DCM'S WITH BAD DCM'S "FEEL THE SUBARU LOVE". CUSTOMER WAITS FOR THREE HOURS FOR NAVIGATION FIX ON SUBARU AND THE DEALER DIDN'T EVEN UPDATE IT. TOM TOM NO LONGER THE PATHETIC NAVIGATION SYSTEM ON SUBARU OUTBACKS, CLASS ACTION SUITS CONTINUE!! I wouldn't pardon Subaru if it was may child after all the mistakes. The CEO should be aware that people are just getting lip service and products that are pathetic to the point that the dealers charge $200 to look at warranty issues. Fading fast, one last gasp! Hope this day finds you well and you end up with the power and ability to be transparent about you cars and customer service. Remember I'm fading fast but the time and cost for both of us will continue to far exceed what doing the right thing would have. Listen to my remedies in the old phone calls.
The biggest thing that scares me away from Subaru are the transmissions. I do maintain my vehicles, but not so religiously as to spend tons of money on trans service every few years lest it falls apart.
Why don't they put the XT option back in the Forester? Personally, I'll never buy another Subaru without the Turbo engine. It's just drastically underpowered without it. So the Forester can never compete with any Outback XT, thus the Outback XT wins. I also like the longer cargo space and the better roof racks on the Outback. I don't like the lower seating, but it can be overcome by raising the seat. Forester has much better overall visibility. I'm on my 4th Subaru, 1st Outback (due to XT), and love these vehicles.
Can you address the problem that Subaru has, 2017-2020, with the battery drain. (StarLink, back hatch). There is a lawsuit against Subaru for the battery drain. Thanks
Honestly, none. With the removal of the XT from Forester, I'll pass. It's honestly one of the reasons I spent 6mo hunting for a 17 Forester XT Touring.
I don't even own a Subaru and I enjoy watching these videos.
As someone with knee issues, that higher ride is something I’ve always liked in the forester. But, that crossbar feature is nice on the Outback!!
You helped the dealer near me with this video. Traded in my 17 Tacoma TRD off road for a new 24 Forester Wilderness. Thanks for your videos Subaru - Looking at the comment section in your videos shows I'm not the only one. Maybe Subaru should be giving you a free car at this rate.
Outback Wilderness 2025, bought it 2 weeks ago and I love it
What did you pay for it? Any exceptional deals out there?
After I had hip replacement, I was told that Forester was recommended by an orthopedic association for ease of getting in and out. That is truly an asset for older drivers along with the visibility aspects. Maybe this isn't a useful endorsement for the younger and sportier crowd. However I just had a second replacement of a hip, but I wouldn't replace my Forester!!
That's a great point! And in the 2025 model year Forester they worked with medical experts to make the seat design more comfortable.
I have a 2022 Outback & wife has 2020 Forester. Your comments are spot on from my experience of driving them both.
Excellent comparison. And we just drove home in our 2025 Outback Premium with package 13. I'm not a sunroof fan, and it looks like the Android Auto map program is better than the factory TomTom map program. The car rides quiet and smooth, and my boy racer days are over, so I didn't need the turbo version. Thanks again for all you do for us Subaru enthusiasts.
Very good! I drive a 24 model Forester with E-Boxer engine in Germany and its my third and my best Subaru ever. I love your channel
Thanks! How are you liking the e-boxer? We don’t have those here in the us but we’re getting a hybrid variant this time next year
I thought I would add my experience on this in the hopes it helps someone considering these two cars...Up until last month (Nov 2024), I owned a 2020 Forester - well, it was my wife's primary vehicle. (I currently drive a 2024 Accord hybrid). However, my local Subaru dealership reached out to see if I would be interested in the new 2025 Forester. One of the big grips my wife and I both had with our current Forester can be a bit loud on the highway. I was telling her that was one criticism the 2025 Forester addressed. I also did suggest to her to also consider looking at the Outback. I reached back out to the dealer and asked if my wife and I could test drive both the Outback and Forester. We first set off in the Outback, my wife drove, and while I was sitting shotgun, I kept it to myself, but I quickly knew how much more refined the Outback's ride was over the 2020 Forester. After getting on the highway, it was obviously a quieter and more car like vehicle. After getting back to the dealer and waiting to bring the 2025 Forester up for the test, I told my wife I really liked the Outback, and she agreed. After climbing into the 2025 Forester, it had basically the same ride as the 2020 and it was a little quieter, but no contest the Outback was to me the better vehicle. My wife felt the same and we were discussing it if we were simply going from 2020 to the 2025 Forester - it would have been no deal, and we would have kept the 2020 Forester. After all, we have a little over 50K on the odometer and no issues at all with the car. I am not putting down the new Forester so don't get me wrong, the 2025 Forester is quite nice, and I think it was improved over the 2020. Just not enough to move on to the new generation. TBH, pricing is a problem. Granted all automobiles are way to high post COVID but I think the Forester priced too high. And if I am being honest, every other vehicle on the road being an SUV is getting boring. If it is not obvious, we went with the Outback Touring trim, and it was a bonus the preferred color was available (blue with black interior). For perspective, it is the 2.5 NA and not the XT. Is it a little slow; maybe. Under normal driving no issues in town and getting on the highway, once you are up to speed, the non-turbo is adequate. I will state it again what I like better with the Outback over the Forester, is more cargo space and that it rides and handles more like a car, hence the Outback is a lifted wagon and not a full-blown SUV. To me that is a major positive in the Outback's favor and not a negative. As for the future of the Outback, since Subaru is dropping the Legacy and the spy photos of 2026 looking more like an SUV, is that going to hurt future sales of the Outback? Is the car-like ride going to radically change? I am sure the prices will also go up. It seems like Subaru is moving away from what made the Outback, the Outback and it could be just another box on wheels SUV.
Just got my 2025 Subaru Forester and I love it! Perfect family car!
Great video, Alex. Thank you! Which one would I choose? The outback. Atypically, I'm perfectly happy with the non-turbo, too.
Great video!!
I just purchased the Outback, based on watching many of your videos.
Thank you. You made the decision easier.
I absolutely love my Outback. I just finished a trip involving 1000 miles while towing a trailer with 1500 lbs. it was great but because of the trailer I lost 10 MPG, which was expected but still adverged 28 MPG.
The 2025 Subaru Forester is a very comfortable vehicle to drive, sort of reminds me of a Cadillac it's so comfortable. I really like it, very comfortable vehicle, beautifully made seats and interior. I love the visibility. What I hate is the Auto Start/Stop, I absolutely hate it. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. Another thing, the Forester is beautiful, it's a fine looking vehicle. Not a fan of 'moon/sun roofs' though. Another thing, the gas gauge is backwards, Full is where Empty would be at the top of the gauge, it's like a backwards gauge located under the speedometer. The gas cap is also on the passenger side. Which is weird. lol If Roomy is what you like, then the Forester is for you, because it's got some room to it. You won't feel claustrophobic in a Forester.
I chose the Forester over rhe outback because of the seating position and roomy feel of the cabin over the Outback. Im both big and tall and the Forester suits me better. Im looking forward to the hybrid.
I drove an Outback Touring XT for two weeks as a loaner from the dealer. I ended up buying the 2025 Forester Sport. The visibility and driving postion is much more comfortable in the Forester. I loved the power in the XT but I didn't like the actual ride. Visibility on the driver front quarter is quite bad due to the roof pillar and the seating angle. Both are fine vehicles.
Hey! Took a test drive of both the Forester and Outback, and generally liked them, but there are a couple of things I can’t quite figure out or decide on for myself. As someone with more experience, did you ever feel like the steering is too light and sensitive, almost like you’re losing control at times? And how are the seats on long drives? they felt a bit narrow and firm to me... Do your legs and back get tired after a while? Would love to hear your thoughts on these :)
Got a 2024 Outback Wilderness and love it! Thanks for your videos, always very helpful!
Congrats on the Wilderness! 🎉
I have a 2019 Forrester sport. Solid well built, comfortable for 4 adults 30 mph. I like the cross bar and extra cargo space on the outback,
Hey Alex I love your channel! Can you please do an ascent vs Outback video please?
Yes!!
Right now I have a 22 Forester Sport and I love it what sucks about the 25 is I need a trailer hitch so I wouldn't be able to get the foot sensor so now I'm going to have to look at the Outback that's equivalent in price to the Forester Sport still undecided.
I’m new to your channel and would love to see some videos on the Ascent.
My wife likes her Lexus RDX’s higher seating position. She is sure to prefer the higher seating position in the Forester…we are about to try both Subarus. Unless she strongly prefers the added space of the Outback, my guess is the Forester will be living at our house. I get to inherit the Lexus to replace my Tacoma so it will have a trailer hitch installed to be the family utility vehicle.
Hi Alex. Thanks very much for your content. I’m going to be picking up my third Forester limited this month and am looking forward to the new driving dynamics you are speaking of. I was very close to getting an Outback xt limited. Your video helped reinforce my decision by showing how the seats are mounted between the two. This something one would not ordinarily pick up on. Thanks again.
Great review! Keep up the good work
I'm looking at the Outback for sure, now that I have seen this vid. I want to car camp and it seems to check all the boxes, plus towing capacity.
Very interesting observation about seat height!
Good comparison !
Alex, awesome video and timing is perfect as my wife is wrestling with the decision of trading her 2019 Subaru Ascent she's had for 6 years for either a 2025 Forester or Outback. Please correct me if I'm mistaken but for fuel economy as long as I stay away from the Wilderness or XTs the gas mileage is similar between the Forester and Outback. I appreciate your in depth explanation of the seating scenarios between both cars, especially coming out of the Ascent. She's looked at both in the showroom and the next step is to test drive them. Heck, I couldn't get her interested in the Honda CRV Hybrid what we test drove with 38-40MPG, she didn't like the way it felt sitting in the driver's area compared to the Ascent, and felt much more comfortable with the Subarus she looked at. Any other helpful tips would be great, we are looking at the Limited and Touring packages for both, but I also stumbled across the Outback Onyx that looks really nice. Thank you so much!
Thank you! You're correct, the Outback and Forester with the standard 2.5L will have similar mpg. If she hasn't already, I'd suggest test driving the 2.5 and the 2.4T that comes in the Outback. She might like the turbo option since she is already used to that in her 2019 Ascent. I've found the mpg is only about 3 mpg less on the turbo Outback compared to the NA versions. Hope this helps!
The most important difference for me is the Outback is built in America while the Forester is still built in Japan. The American built Subarus have had build quality issues. The Forester has been bulletproof for years. Mine has 52,000 miles with no problems. I’d buy another one with no hesitation.
I chose a 25 OB Wilderness but I think the 25 Forester is really nice as well.
Can't go wrong with either!
Definitely the outback for us.
The vast majority of commenters for a car enthusiast or otherwise someone interested in cars video recommends the Outback XT for a good reason. Most people who are into cars recognise the 2.5L H4 engine to be a true slug when used to drive a 4 ton vehicle. In the Impreza, sure, although it's still not as peppy as the older 2000's Subbie engine/transmission combos. I'm happily driving the Outback Limited XT as my daily driver and it uses pretty much the same amount of gas as my old 2007 Impreza naturally aspirated 2.5L. Perfect.
The 2025 Outback on the 2.5L engine still has the dreaded TCV valve.
The 2025 Forester does not and went back to tried/true 👍
i heard it went back to it by mrsubaru1387
I'm 6'2". After driving a 25 Forester for 3 days, I think my 23 Outback has more comfortable seats. I think my bicycle would fit in the Forester better. I like the crossbars on the Outback, but prefer the sunroof of the Forester. I also prefer the overall style of the Outback. Pretty close, honestly... But I still love my Outback.
The choice is obvious for me since I bought the 2024 Outback Onyx Edition XT instead of Forester (or anything else for that matter).
That 2.4 Turbo Boxer is a game changer. 0-60 in 5.5-5.8 secs while still being able to make 25 MPG in the city.
Plus Outback is simply prettier. Beautiful car with sexy design inside and outside.
I traded in my 17 wrx for a 23 forester. I wanted to get away from having to use premium gas.
@@criticalthinker1868 I’m a favor the Outback also! Some days I wish I had the 2.4T though
@@Scybren That's exactly what makes the Outback XT so special - 260 HP on a REGULAR GAS! It's a WRX engine tuned up for 87 Octane that makes this Outback as quick as WRX itself (if not quicker in most occasions). Isn't that cool?
very good Alex, thank you 👍
Thank you!
Great Subaru info- consider me subbed.
Hey Alex, thanks for the great review, one of the best I've seen! I’m stuck between these two models, both have things I like but I’m not sure how they actually feel in real life. I love the higher driving position and visibility in the Forester, but does it really feel noticeably narrower than the Outback? And in general, which one do you think handles better or feels more comfortable to drive? Thanks a lot!
Thanks for your videos. Nice comparison but since the 2025 Outback is the current generation vs next generation Forrester it not even close. 🤷♂️
Due to the upgraded screen in the Forester, I’m glad I bought the 24 model. I also wish there was an option to get 5he limited edition forester without a moonroof. I never use mine.
The seat kinda sold me on forester between the two. I’m leaning towards it but gonna be checking out forester limited vs Outback limited xt
One thing not mentioned is cabin space for driver. Height is more than just a sitting position, it also affects surroundings. I'm a bit wider than average, so I notice the difference pretty much immediately - in Outback it feels way too cramped, in Forester I can seat comfortably for hours.
Test drove both because at first Forester test drive wasn't available (car was already out and test driver was late to return, so dealer offered to drive Outback instead of waiting), it was also in winter with winter coat on, which made me even wider. Returned Outback in 15 minutes because I couldn't comfortably seat in it, sat in Forester and immediately noticed difference. Ended up buying even older SJ Forester from dealer, love it.
Great job
Thank you so much for this type of review and comparison.
I still like the fob design even after all these years. It not huge but it has a solid weighty feel.
The outback with the 2.4 turbo. I have one it's great.
Outback liked our 23 forester but the deal was to good to pass up getting it monday👍
Do the back seats lie flat on either model?
I live in an older i garage house and getting my 2024 outback in is VERY tight. I have resorted to backing in extremely slowly. Im also only 5 ft 3 so the Forester has appeal - gives me 2 more inches and a higher seat😊
The rear seats in the Outback can recline a bit, which isn't offered in the Forester.
I just saw a review stating they do recline, but the button is located in a weird spot- down where your butt hits the seat
I got a question. bought a used 2022 outback on feb 23 2024. battery died today. tried going to subaru dealership where i bought it from guy at the service center says theres no warranty coverage on the battery with the gold coverage whatever it is that i got for the car when i bought it. got home and looked at the battery closer and see a 12/23 circle sticker on it and the subaru 30month free replacement decal. Am i able to show them that to get a free battery replacement?? its hast even been a year yet and the battery pooped out on me.
Hey Alex. Really enjoy your videos. My choice is the Outback. Have owned both a Forester and an Outback and to me the Outback wins hands down! I am eagerly awaiting the announcement of the 2026 Outback! Any new info on when that may happen??
I have a 22 Forester Wilderness and I love it, I just wish it had a turbo option, so I’m considering an Outback Wilderness next. Also, I really don’t care for the 2025 exterior redesign on the Foresters.
Alex! Thank you so much for these helpful videos! I have finally decided to purchase a 2025 Outback. I am still undecided about submodel. It's between Premium with OP 13 and Onyx/XT. I have test driven both. I would like to test the Onyx Edition so I can compare to the XT. I didn't see any videos on Onyx on your channel. What do you think about the differences between the 3 submodels?
That's a tough choice! I have the Onyx non-turbo so mine is right in between the Premium trim and the Onyx XT. I'm a huge fan of the way the Onyx looks with the black wheels. I also wanted something with interior that was easy to keep clean. Naturally, the Onyx interior is going to be easier to clean than the Premium. I chose the Onyx non-turbo because I thought the mpg would be significantly better but it's really not much different than the XT option (roughly 3 mpg difference). If you intend to pull any kind of weight and you like the the additional hp/torque, I'd go for the Onyx XT. You also get the full size matching spare with the Onyx XT, which I think is a nice add.
@@alexpmo Thanks Alex! We bought the 2025 Onyx XT in Cosmic Blue Pearl! We had to order it from a dealership in Sioux Falls, SD (we are in Omaha, NE) but it was worth the wait
Ascent vs Outback vs Forester.
Need advice for Cargo space 2nd row down. Can you do the measurements between the Wheel Wells left to right in inches. And cargo opening height up to down in inches?
And length from passenger 2nd row control centre in the center to the cargo door opening length in inches? For all the cars?
I really really just want to see the sunroof… the difference between sunroof… ❤
forester got the upgrade i want looking for..
FYI 2009 2014 2024 forester owner...
was thinking to move over to 2025 for the hybrid on Forester/ Outback...
now... i'm staying... (wilderness will do the job fine... dont need that extra length on the outback
Great video Alex. Can you tell me the weight limits for the roof rack on a 24 Outback? Thanks.
we've had our 2025 Forester for a few weeks now. Things I love are too long to list (comfort, height, screen, etc) but the things I don't like are just two. First, stupid cupholder location. What the actual duck is Subaru thinking??!! Second is the inability to not have the radio come on as soon as the engine does. There's a few little other things but nothing to the point I grumble each and every time I get into the car.
I am interested in both the forester and outback, but I need to know which one will better suit my family of 4 and be comfortable for my husband because he is a big guy. We currently have a 2018 Hyundai Elantra, and he has to put the seat all the way back to drive comfortably, but it's uncomfortable for when my children have to seat behind him because there's no leg room.
I can see most of your videos tend to be associated with the Outback, or Forester, but please can you sometimes do a video, or comparison with the Ascent. I don’t seem to see many of your videos covering the Ascent. I have a 2023 Ascent and I’d like to know how things have changed over the last couple of years with the Ascent. Have there been any noticeable differences lately? Thanks for your channel.
I am 5' 4" tall. Which vehicle provided the better visibility through the front window?
Which is better for long drives and more comfortable? Also which is more reliable? I hear Subarus have oil leak issues.
Hi Alex, do you have any news about hybrid model of Forest and Outback? When will they be on the market?
@@RockDavid2 not sure on the Outback but the forester hybrid will be here this time next year (summer 2025)
@@alexpmo Got you. Thank you.
Hi I don't know how else to leave a message but can you do a video about the nationalwide shortage on subie windshield...ETA is unknown and others before me have been waiting for months....is there a comparable alternative and what do I jeopardize if I go with alternative
I'd hate for another peddle to drop 😢 and shatter the glass completely
I owned a 2019 outback until recently. I've bought a 2025 Outback Premium. I'm noticing when I'm driving at 30 to 45 mph no stress on the engine then apply power there is a definite jolt. My 2019 did not do this. Could I possibly have a transmission issue. About 3800 miles
Alex, I’m about 6-4 and a big guy. Which model would you recommend? Outback or Forrester?
Outback. My dad's 6' 3", no issues.
Outback because the roof rail system is beautiful. I had to drive my LL Bean Outback with those goofy crossbars permanently installed for over 18 years. Also it's easier to wash with the lower roof. Yeah, I wash my cars because I'm a tightwad who doesn't go to the Super Auto Wash for 20 bucks a pop.
You're not the only one!
When will the new forester wilderness come out
Thanks
You're welcome!
Forester for me. Like the extra height in the cargo area.
I really wish the towing capacity on the forester were higher. I also wonder why they can't put the hand sensor in the door emblem on the liftgate of the forrester if you get a hitch.
Will the 2025 Forester eventually have a Hybrid option similar to the Outback?
@@Slurpcat1 the Forester won’t have a hybrid option until the 2026 model year. The Outback doesn’t currently have a hybrid option but we’re hoping to get that after the Forester hybrid is released. If you meant to say turbo option like the Outback, the Forester isn’t likely to get that either
24 Outback Touring XT in Maroon pearl. Love it
Best color ever.
is length or width more important?
I'm 6'2" tall, 230 lbs, which would you recommend for me and why?
Thank you for telling us about how the trailer hitch will mean removing the kick sensor 🥲
How is gas mileage in turbo outback? Not económical?
I have the 2025 Forester Touring model. My biggest disappointment is that this model doesn't have Home link. This is my third Subaru Forester and they always had home link. Even the dealership was not aware of this. I didn't know until I took the car home and tried to set up the garage door opener. Now I have to use 3 garage and gate openers. With all the crazy stuff they now have in this car they discontinue something as useful as home link.Shame on you Subaru!
Hopefully Subaru will come out with an updated mirror that can retroactively be added. I agree this was an area Subaru fell short!
You mean the Touring has No ability to garage door open? I just got a 2025 Forester Sport and mine has what appears to be 3 options. I do have one button synced for my garage, which is a nice option.
Homelink is a double edged sword. Park your car outside for some reason and junkies break your window and open your garage. Happened to us.
Nice
Outback 💯%
How do you sync garage door opener and a 2024 Subaru Outback Limited to the rear view mirror??
@@MaggieChasse-e3n here you go! Be sure to use your original garage door opener. After market remotes won’t work on the newer model Subarus. ruclips.net/video/QpWzHUpmJ98/видео.htmlsi=t4uNN3BEdQaNHa8L
Forester to me for bigger and higher view.
Are you able to give me/us, some idea of the longevity and maintenance of the CVT unit in the ‘24 Outback XT, when used for occasional towing (1.2 tons), please, as I am waiting on delivery of an Australia-spec Outback Touring XT this month?
i got the 2024 outback premium
Yes. I had a2013 and2014. Forester. And a light when you stepped on the gas you had like a. I hesitation a jerk do the 2025 oysters have that still
I'm driving my 3rd Subaru Outback 2021 Limited and the lease ends in December. I don't like the looks of the newer Outbacks because of all the black accents they've added. It just looks ugly to me. I've considered going back to the Ascent that I had before this Outback. And of course it's only my opinion, but the Wilderness models with that orange accents is pretty ugly as well. I am a big fan of Subaru's. And I always enjoy your reviews.
Outback with base engine noticeably slower than the Forester because of extra weight?
Outback Touring XT if it was available in UK, currently have '22 Outback Touring just now.
On my 2020 Outback in front of you on top of the dash next to the windshield are 2 orange lights that flash when I’m driving, Why?
Forester definitely. New colors?
25 forester now has the river rock pearl. It’s a new lighter gray color
Im actually pretty worn down after I took the car in and they said it would cost $600 to look at warranty issues like the dcm, nav update and transmission. Kicked out of anthother dealership! Heres what I'm asking, send me the truth of all the times I went to the dealerships for help that aren't on the service records. The service record doesn't have the 3 hour wait for no update from Carlsbad or the last attempt as instructed by Glen to see if the car battery would not go dead. If you really wanted to be a champion and take down the Subaru mafia, you could send me all the phone conversations including the one that the cvt is not part of the drivetrain. I said I was worn down and I am I have one last gasp after I hear or don't hear back from you and the above information would be helpful. I always look at things how they read on the front page of the paper. SUBARU WON'T COVER CVT AS IT IS NOT PART OF THE DRIVETRAIN! SUBARU ADVOCACY SAYS" have the dealer check the dcm" DEALER TELLS CUSTOMER $200 TO CHECK EACH WARRANT ISSUE. 56,000 MILES THREE BATTERIES, TWO TRANSMISSIONS, CLASS ACTION NAVIGATION SYSTEM, FUEL PUMP RECALL, REPLACED BAD DCM'S WITH BAD DCM'S "FEEL THE SUBARU LOVE". CUSTOMER WAITS FOR THREE HOURS FOR NAVIGATION FIX ON SUBARU AND THE DEALER DIDN'T EVEN UPDATE IT. TOM TOM NO LONGER THE PATHETIC NAVIGATION SYSTEM ON SUBARU OUTBACKS, CLASS ACTION SUITS CONTINUE!! I wouldn't pardon Subaru if it was may child after all the mistakes. The CEO should be aware that people are just getting lip service and products that are pathetic to the point that the dealers charge $200 to look at warranty issues. Fading fast, one last gasp! Hope this day finds you well and you end up with the power and ability to be transparent about you cars and customer service. Remember I'm fading fast but the time and cost for both of us will continue to far exceed what doing the right thing would have. Listen to my remedies in the old phone calls.
The biggest thing that scares me away from Subaru are the transmissions. I do maintain my vehicles, but not so religiously as to spend tons of money on trans service every few years lest it falls apart.
My spin outback = station wagon forrexter= mini suv.
Why don't they put the XT option back in the Forester? Personally, I'll never buy another Subaru without the Turbo engine. It's just drastically underpowered without it. So the Forester can never compete with any Outback XT, thus the Outback XT wins. I also like the longer cargo space and the better roof racks on the Outback. I don't like the lower seating, but it can be overcome by raising the seat. Forester has much better overall visibility. I'm on my 4th Subaru, 1st Outback (due to XT), and love these vehicles.
Can you address the problem that Subaru has, 2017-2020, with the battery drain. (StarLink, back hatch). There is a lawsuit against Subaru for the battery drain. Thanks
Do me a favor? Send that green outback wilderness to Jersey please?
Why choose? Get one of each!
Honestly, none. With the removal of the XT from Forester, I'll pass. It's honestly one of the reasons I spent 6mo hunting for a 17 Forester XT Touring.
Once you drive the turbo, it is hard to go back. I would gladly trade though for a (Toyota) hybrid powertrain…2026??