The reason they have half height PSD's and are longer than the trains is because the line between Chatswood and Epping was converted to metro after opening as a traditional heavy rail in 2009, while the rest of the M1 has full height PSD's at underground stations. And the reason the platforms are longer than the train is because they've future proofed them to accommodate longer 8 car sets in the future
The cloudiness of the upstairs windows on the Tangara is most likely because they're triple glazed windows and a bit from the plastic layer they have on the inside
The Metro line between Chatswood to Sydenham will officially open for service tomorrow morning (19-08-2024) after so many delays. Excellent video Daniel, thank you very much.
Great video exploring Sydney’s trains, although you should have shown the Eastern Suburbs line through to Bondi Junction from Central. The stations on this line are awesome 70s era designs. The line also transitions from tunnel to viaduct and again to tunnel and viaduct, It’s so retro futuristic ❤
Great review hope you enjoyed your time. As you mentioned the V sets are being replaced by the long delayed NIFs (which you probably filmed) and the Explorers and XPTs are being replaced the the new Regional fleet which is just starting to arrive.
The reason the Chatswood to Epping section has longer platforms (& the rest of the metro network but I digress) is because the Epping to Chatswood section used to be part of the Sydney trains network until it was closed in 2018 to convert to the new Sydney metro. Secondly the metro trains can eventually be extended to 8 cars if needed in the future. Tallawong only has platform 2&3 but no platform 1 but this can be built at a later date so it can be extended to St Mary's to link up with the new Western Sydney airport metro which will run from St Mary's to aerotropolis which will be named bradfield. Re the USB ports, that are only at the end of each carriage and are slow charging. The new NIF (New InterCity Fleet also the D sets) sets which will replace the v sets and h sets will not have traverse sets and will come with USB ports at each seat
Furthermore the NSW government has announced the metro will be extended to Sydenham from tomorrow, Monday 19th August 2024. Also not all the T sets have reversible seats. You need to look out for the ones that used to be G sets (Google t and g Sydney trains sets) the ex G sets now T sets at the front have the bottom half slanting inwards to the front boogies) these are the only seats with reversible seats. The non-reversible seats are mainly on the original T sets. The M sets or M-Bugs are due to also have a refurb to bring them up to new standards such as replacing the led pids with LCD screens internally like the B sets. This is also occurring on the H sets which will be cascaded to Sydney trains once all the new d sets are in service
Also the T sets are getting an upgrade to extend their life. As part of this refurb this will include the PIDs and speakers (believed to be auto announcements)
3:22 there are longer platforms at every station for whenever Sydney Metro decides to extend the train length from 6 to 8 cars to increase capacity when needed.
V sets and H sets are together in the same "intercity" banner. As too are the diesel endeavour and hunter trains, though they operate on different routes.
3:33 Usually, the reason why a train network would have platforms longer than trains is futureproofing so the trains could be extended in length should demand ever justify it. That is what happened on the Jubilee line when it was extended in 1999, and eventually the trains got extended from 6 to 7 cars in 2005.
A few things. The current metro (the M1) has 6 car train sets, expandable to 8 car sets in future; hence the longer platforms than currently needed. It's currently running at only about a third of its potential capacity during peak times. It has partial height platform doors in above-ground sections and in tunnelled stations converted from earlier Sydney Trains operation. The new tunnelled stations (such as through the harbour city) have full height doors. The platform doors (especially the full height versions) are not just for for safety, but also have a ventilation/air conditioning role in underground stations. The currently under construction Western Sydney Airport Metro (M2 ?) is a 'light metro', with 3 car sets (Siemens Inspiro), expandable to 4, with both above ground and below ground sections and stations. It will initially be 23 km long to form the first part of a dedicated north-south employment/residential/airport transport spine for Western Sydney (which is already more populous than the rest of Sydney, but hardly known to tourists). It will be extended to other western population centres further north and south later, to probably be around three times as long. A third metro (M3 ?) is also under construction, doubling the connection capacity between the 'harbour city' and Parramatta (the 'river city' - which is also the centre of population for Greater Sydney). Train type and length not yet announced. It is 24 km long, but will likely be extended to about twice that, to the new Western Sydney Airport (much larger than the current cramped Sydney Airport, with an eventual capacity similar to Heathrow). This isn't needed until after about the 2030s as the new airport becomes busier and attracts more and more 'East-Enders' as well as the locals..
On the M1, the new, unconverted underground stations from Crows Nest to Waterloo have full height platform doors and are long enough to accommodate current six plus an extra two carriages.
The section between Epping (platforms 5 and 6) and Chatswood (platforms 2 and 3) used to be run by 8 car double decker Sydney Trains which is why the platforms are longer than the Metro trains, the very last double decker Sydney Trains service was Tangara trains T74 and T53 which were the very last Sydney Trains double decker services to run across the ECRL, North Ryde, Macquarie Park, Macquarie University, Epping 5 and 6 and Chatswood 2 and 3 were previously operated by Sydney Trains and then handed over to Sydney Metro for conversion in September 2018
Great Video. I was in Australia including Sydney in 2008 so well before the opening of the metro. Did you ride on the Sydney Monorail? The one that takes you around the city centre.
I did! I was a little kid so I barely remember it, but they’ve got some preserved monorail cars in the Powerhouse Ultimo. Unfortunately I didn’t get to see those on my trip since the museum is being refurbished but they’re there. Also, the station at Darling Harbour remains basically untouched since the closure, I’m not sure why but it’s still there, with signs saying “Farewell Sydney” still at the abandoned platform, which you can see from Pyrmont Bridge, but that is very cool! ~ Daniel
@@thetflthree That's sad, I hadn't realised it had closed, was going strong when I was there in 2008 and seemed very popular. Do you know when it closed?
Sydney Monorail closed in 2013, although the light rail is probably the closest you’ll get to a spiritual successor. I understand that there’s many logistical and infrastructure issues with monorails compared to conventional trains, trams, or buses, but I’ll miss the Sydney monorail at least. ~ Daniel
The monorail is no more. Service ended in June 2013 to allow for the redevelopment of the convention centre but also to allow the new tram network (or Light Rail as we call it) which goes from randwick to circular quay (L2) and juniors Kingsford to circular quay (L3) which compliments the existing L1 central to dulwich hill line
@@AlexDennismiracleboi The video covers the Sydney Trains fleet, which would include the V set after Sydney Trains took over non ticketed Trainlink services. Even though yes, the K sets are obviously the oldest suburban sets
@@shawnd-v1660 true I agree but the V sets where only transferred service wise to Sydney trains effective 1st July 2024. Prior yes they were maintained by Sydney trains they were technically operated by NSW trains (aka NSW train link) All electric InterCity sets where transferred to Sydney trains ownership and management along with operational services from 1 July 2024. The v sets will be missed though tbh (the seats are air con is far better than the Sydney trains sets hands down)
I was going to give the metro its own review, along with the Sydney Metro extension on the 4th August. Unfortunately for me, that got delayed so I have now missed it, so I decided including the metro in this video would be better than no video at all. ~ Daniel
16:53 lucky you didn't get in the front car there because from memory the interior of that one is pretty messed up. Every surface coated in half-removed graffiti. Sydney trains has a bit of a problem at the moment...
The reason they have half height PSD's and are longer than the trains is because the line between Chatswood and Epping was converted to metro after opening as a traditional heavy rail in 2009, while the rest of the M1 has full height PSD's at underground stations. And the reason the platforms are longer than the train is because they've future proofed them to accommodate longer 8 car sets in the future
The cloudiness of the upstairs windows on the Tangara is most likely because they're triple glazed windows and a bit from the plastic layer they have on the inside
The Metro line between Chatswood to Sydenham will officially open for service tomorrow morning (19-08-2024) after so many delays.
Excellent video Daniel, thank you very much.
Nice to see you doing the railways in Sydney Australia. I do like their trains including the XPT.
Great video exploring Sydney’s trains, although you should have shown the Eastern Suburbs line through to Bondi Junction from Central. The stations on this line are awesome 70s era designs. The line also transitions from tunnel to viaduct and again to tunnel and viaduct, It’s so retro futuristic ❤
Sydney is an incredible city and I really would like to go there one day. I might actually go there next year. Their trains are so nice and reliable.
Great review hope you enjoyed your time.
As you mentioned the V sets are being replaced by the long delayed NIFs (which you probably filmed) and the Explorers and XPTs are being replaced the the new Regional fleet which is just starting to arrive.
The reason the Chatswood to Epping section has longer platforms (& the rest of the metro network but I digress) is because the Epping to Chatswood section used to be part of the Sydney trains network until it was closed in 2018 to convert to the new Sydney metro.
Secondly the metro trains can eventually be extended to 8 cars if needed in the future.
Tallawong only has platform 2&3 but no platform 1 but this can be built at a later date so it can be extended to St Mary's to link up with the new Western Sydney airport metro which will run from St Mary's to aerotropolis which will be named bradfield.
Re the USB ports, that are only at the end of each carriage and are slow charging. The new NIF (New InterCity Fleet also the D sets) sets which will replace the v sets and h sets will not have traverse sets and will come with USB ports at each seat
Furthermore the NSW government has announced the metro will be extended to Sydenham from tomorrow, Monday 19th August 2024.
Also not all the T sets have reversible seats. You need to look out for the ones that used to be G sets (Google t and g Sydney trains sets) the ex G sets now T sets at the front have the bottom half slanting inwards to the front boogies) these are the only seats with reversible seats. The non-reversible seats are mainly on the original T sets.
The M sets or M-Bugs are due to also have a refurb to bring them up to new standards such as replacing the led pids with LCD screens internally like the B sets. This is also occurring on the H sets which will be cascaded to Sydney trains once all the new d sets are in service
Also the T sets are getting an upgrade to extend their life.
As part of this refurb this will include the PIDs and speakers (believed to be auto announcements)
1:45 No way! Awesome video too. Nice to see some international content.
3:22 there are longer platforms at every station for whenever Sydney Metro decides to extend the train length from 6 to 8 cars to increase capacity when needed.
5:23 That is a YET. Glasgow are planning to retrofit them onto the Glasgow Subway in the future.
V sets and H sets are together in the same "intercity" banner. As too are the diesel endeavour and hunter trains, though they operate on different routes.
3:33 Usually, the reason why a train network would have platforms longer than trains is futureproofing so the trains could be extended in length should demand ever justify it. That is what happened on the Jubilee line when it was extended in 1999, and eventually the trains got extended from 6 to 7 cars in 2005.
A few things.
The current metro (the M1) has 6 car train sets, expandable to 8 car sets in future; hence the longer platforms than currently needed. It's currently running at only about a third of its potential capacity during peak times. It has partial height platform doors in above-ground sections and in tunnelled stations converted from earlier Sydney Trains operation. The new tunnelled stations (such as through the harbour city) have full height doors. The platform doors (especially the full height versions) are not just for for safety, but also have a ventilation/air conditioning role in underground stations.
The currently under construction Western Sydney Airport Metro (M2 ?) is a 'light metro', with 3 car sets (Siemens Inspiro), expandable to 4, with both above ground and below ground sections and stations. It will initially be 23 km long to form the first part of a dedicated north-south employment/residential/airport transport spine for Western Sydney (which is already more populous than the rest of Sydney, but hardly known to tourists). It will be extended to other western population centres further north and south later, to probably be around three times as long.
A third metro (M3 ?) is also under construction, doubling the connection capacity between the 'harbour city' and Parramatta (the 'river city' - which is also the centre of population for Greater Sydney). Train type and length not yet announced. It is 24 km long, but will likely be extended to about twice that, to the new Western Sydney Airport (much larger than the current cramped Sydney Airport, with an eventual capacity similar to Heathrow). This isn't needed until after about the 2030s as the new airport becomes busier and attracts more and more 'East-Enders' as well as the locals..
I was one of the first to catch it from Sydenham to tallawong
I love the flip seats they look amazing
On the M1, the new, unconverted underground stations from Crows Nest to Waterloo have full height platform doors and are long enough to accommodate current six plus an extra two carriages.
The section between Epping (platforms 5 and 6) and Chatswood (platforms 2 and 3) used to be run by 8 car double decker Sydney Trains which is why the platforms are longer than the Metro trains, the very last double decker Sydney Trains service was Tangara trains T74 and T53 which were the very last Sydney Trains double decker services to run across the ECRL, North Ryde, Macquarie Park, Macquarie University, Epping 5 and 6 and Chatswood 2 and 3 were previously operated by Sydney Trains and then handed over to Sydney Metro for conversion in September 2018
When it comes to travelling on Sydney’s double decker trains, I’m definitely a Top, not a Bottom❤ And the innuendo is definitely on purpose
27:26 It's most likely broken. I was on one that said "Stopping at welcome aboard" for the entire duration of my journey on the T8.
Brilliant video sir!
We now need the NSW Transport Three
Great Video. I was in Australia including Sydney in 2008 so well before the opening of the metro. Did you ride on the Sydney Monorail? The one that takes you around the city centre.
I did! I was a little kid so I barely remember it, but they’ve got some preserved monorail cars in the Powerhouse Ultimo. Unfortunately I didn’t get to see those on my trip since the museum is being refurbished but they’re there. Also, the station at Darling Harbour remains basically untouched since the closure, I’m not sure why but it’s still there, with signs saying “Farewell Sydney” still at the abandoned platform, which you can see from Pyrmont Bridge, but that is very cool! ~ Daniel
@@thetflthree That's sad, I hadn't realised it had closed, was going strong when I was there in 2008 and seemed very popular. Do you know when it closed?
Sydney Monorail closed in 2013, although the light rail is probably the closest you’ll get to a spiritual successor. I understand that there’s many logistical and infrastructure issues with monorails compared to conventional trains, trams, or buses, but I’ll miss the Sydney monorail at least. ~ Daniel
The monorail is no more. Service ended in June 2013 to allow for the redevelopment of the convention centre but also to allow the new tram network (or Light Rail as we call it) which goes from randwick to circular quay (L2) and juniors Kingsford to circular quay (L3) which compliments the existing L1 central to dulwich hill line
The sydney monorail was great for tourism but it wasn't really functional as a form of public transport.
All of the trains looked like they had dreadful legroom if you're sitting opposite someone, or even in general. Is this accurate?
I hope you enjoy your trip
When the Glasgow Subway gets it's platform edge doors, they will be half-height
28:43 K sets are walk-through. Just open the door and walk
Do a fleet review for Scotrail
Are the k sets the oldest sets
In the video, yes, the oldest trains in the entire fleet thought are the V sets which are 45+ years old
@@shawnd-v1660v sets are the oldest followed by the K sets. V sets are InterCity only. K sets are suburban only
@@AlexDennismiracleboi The video covers the Sydney Trains fleet, which would include the V set after Sydney Trains took over non ticketed Trainlink services. Even though yes, the K sets are obviously the oldest suburban sets
@@shawnd-v1660 true I agree but the V sets where only transferred service wise to Sydney trains effective 1st July 2024.
Prior yes they were maintained by Sydney trains they were technically operated by NSW trains (aka NSW train link)
All electric InterCity sets where transferred to Sydney trains ownership and management along with operational services from 1 July 2024.
The v sets will be missed though tbh (the seats are air con is far better than the Sydney trains sets hands down)
The T sets with the announcements are like uk train announcements
Technically sydney metro is not on the Sydney trains network. Its shown together for convenience thats all.
I was going to give the metro its own review, along with the Sydney Metro extension on the 4th August. Unfortunately for me, that got delayed so I have now missed it, so I decided including the metro in this video would be better than no video at all. ~ Daniel
Same gate line, integrated fares, different operator.
Does the average PT user know or care who their bus is actually operated by.
Does London have driverless metro trains?
We have the DLR, which is indeed driverless! ~ Daniel
Welcome :)
16:53 lucky you didn't get in the front car there because from memory the interior of that one is pretty messed up. Every surface coated in half-removed graffiti. Sydney trains has a bit of a problem at the moment...
Bro really didn't do any research before making this video :)
You might want to do a little research before reviewing a new transport system next time.
my one complaint is you getting aboard a quiet carriage and then continuing your talking
Heading to Melbourne. A much more varied assortment of suburban trains, including Australia's best train, the Comeng set!