As a person who never got a problem with amd I was shocked with how many people have problem with amd drivers and so on. Unfortunately, now I have built a pc for my girlfriend and we have a problem with the RAM. I am slowly losing my hair as Im trying all the settings. I have bluescreens even at stock 4800mhz. I'll try to run your settings and start again from there. Let's hope it will be finally fine. We have the same config expect the gpu - I bought 7900 XTX From pulse.
if motherboard has: • 1DPC 1R Max speed up to 8000+ MHz • 1DPC 2R Max speed up to 6400+ MHz • 2DPC 1R Max speed up to 6400+ MHz • 2DPC 2R Max speed up to 5400+ MHz Can i still get 2 6600MHz or 6400MHz and select the pre-set overclocking profiles at those speeds and still be fine ? and not get blue screened
I wasted almost 2 months and I used all settings possible. I gave up and bought new ram with default clock at 6000Mhz. Now i overclocked it at 6400mhz and I have absolutely no issue. It turned out I just got faulty RAM
I really hate DDR5, the illution of speed...Hardware unboxed (with the help of Builzoid) showed with optimized timings even at 5200mhz your best bet is to get good cheap sticks and tweak them yourself to get the extra 5-10% preformance.
I got corsair 6000mt c30 ..didnt liked voltages ..downclocked it to 5600 mt c30(buildzoid timings without trefi) mem at 1.225v and SOC arized just a bit over stock to 1.05v (stock is 1.022v ) ..btw im on 9700x so yea i do see benefits ..and got it for 290 eu
Much thanks for simplifying issues of AM5 systems, gained info from your last video on this, watch for your video's, thanks for your effort which shows your desires to spread the word and actually help others!
Thanks for your videos regarding the AM5 ramspeed, very informative. Have a new build with the 7800x3d and a 7900XT and had some crashes in games and short audio blackouts most of the time after 2 or 3 hours of gameplay even with the new bios that should be able to run these high ram speeds. I turned the ramspeed down from 6000mhz to 5200mhz and the system is rock solid since then. As I play in 4k it doesnt really make any difference an coming from a 4790k from 2014 I am really happy with my AMD build. Back to AMD for CPU and graphics after 15 years and I am more than satisfied. Greatings from Belgium
Could you tell me if you felt a big difference in fps between 6000 MHz and 5200 MHz RAM speeds ? Hello from France (si tu parles français, au passage, je suis preneur XD)
I don't understand why anyone would attack you for saying such obvious things XD what sort of education are new pc builders getting if they don't know that RAM OCs are not guaranteed? It says it on the store pages for these RAM kits. I feel like anyone that didn't already know this shouldn't be recommended to try PBO offsets. Voltage is too easy to mess up if someone's experience is that minimal. Something can "feel" stable, but won't be.
This is the perfect I needed! Thanks so much ! My new build (3 days old) was giving me problems with power cycling I moved the RAM speed from 5600 to 5200mhz, Now it runs to perfection! Really appreciate it ☺
I think what a lot of people's complaints are when it comes to what companies say is their max supported speed is the fact that all of their benchmark numbers will be with that sweet spot overclocked speed that they don't guarantee. Nobody wants to feel like they're getting less than what was advertised on the slides in the press material that the company released. If they want to guarantee only a certain speed then their benchmarks should all max out at that supported speed so that everybody knows what the 100% guaranteed speed performance will be. Also you seem to forget that ram speeds don't affect x3d chips as much since they can pull from the large l3 cache before having to go to system ram unlike the non x3d chips. It was the same when they benchmarked the 5800x3D on AM4
I have just build a system with Ryzen 7 7800X3D , Corsair vengeance 16x2DDR5 on a ASUS ROG B650E-F wifi Mobo. Even if i change EXPO 1 in bios, i only see 3600MHZ in task manager. Any one has faced this issue?
just switched to a ryzen 7 7800x3d and got two 16gb ddr5 sticks 6000mhz and i get memory errors so ging to reduce the speed to 5200mhz and run it againg
When I enable expo for 6000mhz I have seemingly smooth gameplay and no crashes but it makes my initial boot time almost a whole minute each time is that normal?
Great video! It's really good to hear someone really get into depth about AMD DRAM expectations and how to really temper expectations when trying to get a system up and running. Coming off of the end of DDR4 with such a high level of expected (XMP/DOCP) profile performance to DDR5 which is relatively so new that anything could happen, this will be good for people to hear. Hopefully Ryzen 8000 will have more predictable and stable higher performing DDR5 EXPO performance.
Just built my 7800X3D system last night. Msi B650 Tomahawk. 32GB Corsair Vengeance 6000mhz C30. RTX 4080 FE. Ran BIOS Flash before installing CPU. First attempt didn’t post, no RGB on RAM. Cleared CMOS and reseated RAM. Booted up fine. WOOT Updated all the things, drivers etc. checked stability for a night. Good to go. Enabled EXPO this morning. 4hr test and everything is running great! Super stoked haha
I may be a dunce, but this is the first video I've come across to address the single/dual rank RAM issue that made sense. And I've searched for a simple explanation. I run 4X16gig sticks of Corsair 6000 ram at 4200 stable. Yes, I am that dude that does prioritize the look as well as the performance. Like my 4 sticks for my story mode game playing, tyvm.
I have 4 sticks also, crashed my system all down to 5200Mhz so far, hoping its stable there, but one more crash and its going to go to 3600, not messing about anymore, computer is supposed to be a tool, not a pain in the harris!
You have a very aggressive curve optimizer offset, did you get crashes when running DDR6000 while running the CPU at stock settings? Just wondering as I'm curious to know if lowering the curve too far can effect max ram speed.
I'm at work in a meeting while reading the comments and have not watched this video just yet. But figured I'd comment. This might be totally irrelevant so if so I apologize. I just built my pc 2 weeks ago. I have 7700x on gigabyte b650. The ram I purchased is trident z5 neo. 32gb. 6000mhz with timing 30-38-38-96. When first setting up the computer ran it at 4800mhz without expo enabled. Once enabled it moved to its assigned cas and timing being the 6000mhz etc. I have not OC it, changed voltage, or timing yet. It is more than sufficient, but the test I saw on another video teared an assortment of ddr5 for am5. The ram I purchased had the most fps untuned. Then slower standard speeds when tuned performed at par or better depending on their factory mhz speed. Essentially the 6000mhz with as low of timing and cas as you can get is the fastest option then you can tune it as well.
I love how you brought up binning. It's going to be wildly variegated, even with the same CPU. *_Especially_* with the LGA switch, they are gonna have some pretty big tolerances.
I'm using 4 sticks 16gb each (64gb) at 6000mhz dual rank on a 7950X3D on Asus rog strix x670e-e gaming WiFi motherboard but I had assistance from a professional computer shop that does it all the time, they tested it over and over and its had no problem It's team group ram btw
I bought a AM5 motherboard with Ryzen 9 7900 just a couple of weeks ago with four ram cards (64GB in total) and I can only get 3800mhz at most to get it working. Since I only use the computer to create music this is working fine for me, the M2 ssd are very fast.
Never worked with expo so this might be a dumb question but If you enable expo can you still manually set speed or is it going to default to max memory speed. So could I have 2 sticks of 5600 but still tone it down to 5200?
Yes to all your questions lol. Default out of the box is 4800 MHZ. Once you enable EXPO, it’s 6000 or whatever the max rated speed is on your RAM kit. So I take it you have a 5600 MHz kit? Then yes you can manually lower your speed to 5200 MHz. That’s what I did. It has worked great since.
I would like an opinion. I dropped the ball on my ram purchase. Ive got 7800x3d and i bought gskillz 6400mhz 2x16gb sticks. Xmp not expo. Is that going to be an immediate no no? Everything runs i enabled xmp. I just want to know if im losing out on something
Its fine, just two tools to do the same job, they both read memory and dump those timings in the bios, and from what I can tell, ignore what processor you have, so its effectively just two ways of collecting timing info from the memory, if anyone disagrees, let them post here.
If I understood correctly here 12:51, your 4080 is at 100% utilisation, so you're not going to see much difference in the CPU performance because the card is already doing all the lifting it can, no?
I have R9 7900x with a Asus motherboard and with expo ddr5 at 6000 cl 40 runs without any issues but boot takes about 38 seconds, once I change this to expo but 5200 cl40 now it boots in just 9.8 seconds, huge difference and the system feels like more responsive overall so I’m sticking with 5200 thanks for the info.
@@xav10 they do seems to work fine till this day I don’t have any issue, I’ll see in the future if I can find a white set of ram with lower cl they are a rare unicorn right now.
MegaTransfers not Mhz. And the Latency is a HUGE component. 5200 c28 is generally better than 6000 c36. Additionally, HU showed that the tRC timings had a big impact. 6000 30-38-38-38-96-96 beats 6000 30--36-36-36-76-112 on the 7700x. And 5200 30-38-38-38-96-96 beat 5600 28-34-34-34-89-123....
@@ErockOnTech Rgr thank you. I've given up on the Asus X670E-A board and returned it for a refund. Network adapter issues, expo issues, GPU issues. Utter disaster of a board. Getting a Gigabyte board instead.
I have a 7800x3d too, lovely CPU. I'm running it with 64gb CL30, 6000mhz, 4x16gb Corsair Dominator ram. All running beautifully smooth at 6000mhz Expo 1. It's always good to win the silicone lottery lol. I can get it up to 6400mhz and stays stable
@@Chrissage-Gaming thanks man! My 7900 XTX arrived today. I'm excited and anxious at the same time. This will be my first time building a PC. I've had a prebuilt for a while now and I have swapped out CPUs, coolers and GPUs over time, but I've never built one from scratch myself
This is amazing info that I wish I would have come across sooner!! What are the recommended settings for intel?? Thinking I want to go with a 13700k and wondering now what settings I should change for the recommended settings for intel.
Thank you 🙏 I appreciate it. To my knowledge, here’s all you need. Intel CPU. DDR4 or DDR5 ram as both are supported with the 12th and 13th gen Intel processors. Just make sure you buy the correct motherboard for the RAM. Yes, enable XMP for sure. 100%. Lastly, make sure you purchase a contact frame for your CPU.
I got 7800x3d with MSI b650 tomahawk and Kingstone Fury Beast 2x32GB 6000MHz CL36, i cant post with either expo settings, so i just set it manualy to 5200 (apparently its max JEDEC tested value on AMD site for 7800x3d) and set the timings to be like the EXPO profile and it booted and survived OCCT memory test without crash or BSOD. So i will probably leave it at that.
the only issue i have is very slow boot to windows.if i enable expo 6000mhz cl 30 .take 1 minute and 40 seconds to open.if i had stock 4800mhz open very fast.what do you think i can do?in games i dont have any blue screen with expo enable.only slow boot.
I did the same thing and I don't know what triggers my bdod, it's never happened when gaming for hours at a time, only when doing light stuff like web browsing or doing homework
Bought the Gigabyte microcenter bundle with the Gskills 6000Mhz and it runs great at 6000MZ on XMP. Bought the bundle(CPU,Mobo,ram) for $450 so I can't complain got 32GB of RAM for free
First of all, great video and thank you for the great explanations. I do have one question I don't believe was made clear (and if it was, my bad!). You were primarily focused on 5200 and 6000. I'm working with the 7800X3D, so I totally understand those numbers. However, the 7800X3D's recommended settings for 4 sticks are 3600 (not 5200). With that said and if I wanted to use 4 sticks, does that mean I should replaces all references in your video of 5200 with 3600 and 6000 with 4400? You're probably catching on to what I'm saying, but if the recommended number for 4 sticks is 3600, which is 1600 less than 5200 for two sticks), does that mean I should also lower the 6000 by 1600? I'd like to use 4 sticks (more interested in cosmetics) and I don't mind bumping them up a bit (to maybe 4400 instead of 3600), but at the same time, I don't want to assume I can still push for 6000 and blow something up. Hopefully that makes sense.
Bought a 6000 cl30 64GB kit with XMP and it ran ok on AM5 after enabling XMP in the bios on ASUS MB. But then I applied the Buildzoid settings for Hynix based ram and then it went super responsive in win11. Go check his guide for the next step up and it’s very stable… not even overvolting the RAM.
@@ErockOnTech what would count as "high end board"? The asus x670 tuf or the asus prime would already work? I sadly dont know which settings would be needed yet and would like 64 gb
@@DiverseGreen-Anon g.skill trident z5 with 7950x3d and asus x670e proart, all works fine but i was not impressed about Asus bios tuned settings so following some bios guides did improve things. Also undervolting :)
Thanks. I will be test comparing 128gb 5200 vs 96gb 6000; 2 Simms vs 4. When I can get my hands on the (2x48). For Blender, Solidworks and Assassin Valhalla.
I definitely won the silicone lottery, I'm running 4x16gb, 6000mhz, CL30, Corsair Dominator ram, 2kits of 32gb for a total of 4 sticks and 64gb. All running at EXPO 1, runs like a dream, not had a single crash. Can go a bit higher too and it stays stable. Glad I can run 4 sticks because it's much more aesthetically pleasing to the eyes, hate seeing those two empty dimm slots.
I was planning on building a AM5 setup using these, AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D MSI PRO B650-P WIFI Kingston FURY Beast 64GB (2x32GB) 6000 Mhz ASUS DUAL Radeon RX 6650 XT OC 8gb But seeing these issues i wonder if i should just build it or hold off for a while, or if i should go for an intel build instead? 🤔🤔
@@strelives I was thinking about replacing my old 1070TI with the relativly "cheap" RX 6650 XT OC 8G and then upgrade the gpu again in a year or two. i know the 8 gb Vram is low but i was thinking of it as a temporary card until intel's next gpu drops and then using that in my old pc as an emulator pc where the Vram requirement isn't as high
Build it but that card is pretty poor for a 3d , really the 6800xt or higher . At least get a 6700xt at least you get sensible vram but will still be highly gpu limited
@@donnyjenni4092 Try gradually increasing it from bios use XMP Settings try at 5200 , 5600 then 6000mhz + plus on amd website it says 5200mhz is recommended and works on all devices .
@@donnyjenni4092 Default setting on bioses on most ram is 4800mhz for All DDR5 RAM , try gradually increasing it and see how your pc performs , however the best default settings for Ryzen 7000 Series is at 5200Mhz as recommended on amds website, if it works for you without any issues above 5200mhz then use that setting if at 5600mhz or 6000mhz , if you experience any issues , you can just reset the expo settings back to 4800mhz or 5200mhz or above, whatever works best for you.
I have 2 questions: 1- if you use a regular stick (non-expo) faster than 5200 and sets its limit as '5200' in the bios would you get a blue screen? 2- if you use 4 sticks of 5200 would it crash too if you dont change it for 3600?
I installed 6000 megahertz and everything worked fine, once a month my PC did not start until you reset the bios. I installed EXPO 5200 and my PC started running more stable.
Try again now with higher ram speed. New bios versions improved stability a LOT. Like my brother had to previously run at 4800mhz, because every time we tried 5600-6000mhz, it would eventually be unstable after a few weeks. Now runs flawlessly at 6200c30 with barely any effort. Will try 6400mhz later.
I guess I won the lottery. I ran EXPO 2*16 Corsair Vengeance 6000 CL30 and gamed without issues. I needed 2 sticks more and I get 5000 stable (4*16gigs). 5200I had little errors when doing memtest. 5400 I got blue screen or Windows froze.
I appreciate every new PC hardware channel out there as an option to base our buying decisions on. Your videos (amongst other channels) convinced me to wait a couple of extra months before I finally build an AM5 rig. I keep bumping into so many incompatibility issues, slow boot times, and some CPUs flat-out burning, etc. that I just didn't want to be part of the beta testing period for AMD. When things settle down a bit and the jump is more reliable, you bet I'll join the party with a top-tier rig since I am really happy with my AM4 setup.
what is your opinion on me (hahah) building my first ever pc. I'm in need of a pc for professional architecture work (Not thaat pro). I'm between AM4 (ending but stable, but no upgrade option) and AM5 (Don't know what to expect). I've seen a lot of videos and i'm aware of that it could be hardwork to config a AM5 PC but i don't want an "obsolete" PC either. So far, i'm aiming to buy (maybe today) The R7 7700 (non X) over the R7 5800x3d
For gaming, there is nothing wrong with AM5 now. My 7700 with PBO + 200MHz & curve optimizer set to negative 30, makes the chip SUPER efficient in the fact that it now boots higher than a 7700X (p95 stable). Of course you need a decent mid range board or higher with good VRM capability. But don't focus on past events with AM5, they have been sorted with the latest bios & AGESA updates.
Thanks for the advice on those BIOS settings. It proved to be very useful in an AM5/RX7000 system I’ve been tinkering with as of late. Once completed, it’ll have a 7900X with a very efficient cooler, and a 7900 XT reference model, along with a couple bells and whistles like a sound card and an up-to-date network adapter. If this system proves to be resilient, especially with an updated BIOS that prevents the CPU from overloading, I think I’ll start incorporating this generation of hardware into some e-commerce business ventures that involve semi-customizable computers built from scratch.
@@ErockOnTech You’re welcome, I’ve been very interested with formulating the best price-to-performance hardware/software configurations ever since stumbling across e-commerce business. I’ve assigned the names “Neptune” and “Mars” to my duo of configurations - Intel/Nvidia & Ryzen/Radeon.
@@ErockOnTech If Intel’s innovation with new hardware keeps up, my configurations might turn into a trio eventually. “Orion” would probably be a good name for an Intel/Intel configuration, since the Orion constellation is well known for its bright blue stars - it has a blue giant called Bellatrix, and a blue supergiant called Rigel.
Is there any real benefit to going over 6000 on a seven series? Running a 7950x. Got some G.Skill CL-30-38-38 6000 single rank 2x16 being shipped today
I don't believe he answers questions after the video is older than a week or month. Answering questions helps get subs. We are here for help. I don't get why creator's make videos in the beginning to help people. Once they get big they stop helping people in the comments. Please don't be like the rest. Most viewers are here because they need help. Questions/comments is part of the work of being a creator. I found this 1 mechanic who will answer you as long as he is a wake. I see why he has so many subscribers. He made my day. I help everyone. Once in a while I need help. Seem Noone cares. We all need help sometimes
I Purchased Ryzen 7 7800x3d and pre ordered a Corsair Dominator Platinum 6200 Mhz CL36 to upgrade my Am4 system to Am5. but lately I discovered that the Ram I bought was for Intel, SKU: cmt32gx5m2x6200c36w Question is: Will it work? or what will happen if I combine these two? I hope to get answers from you! Big Thanks!
ive heard different RAM brands perform differently too. Im building an MSI AM5 system and have been told that Corsair RAM is a no-no. Either G.Skill or Kingston (6000Mhz) are the most stable (for my chosen motherboard)- I went with Kingston...granted, im yet to buld yet and find out for myself, but at least from the MSI forum, this is what ive heard.
For a streaming set up, I bought the msi rtx 4070 ti gaming trio. What MSI board for a blackout build would you recommend? It's sad that there's no more Unify line up...
Man this explains a lot, a friend and I built our PCs at the same time, with almost the same parts (he bought an Asus motherboard and I bought a MSI). He can use his PC at 6000 MHz without problems all day, while I have the same problems that you mention that happen to you when you use it at 6000 MHz, I will try lowering the speed of the rams to 5200 MHz. thank you
Thanks for this information. I have a Ryzen 7 7800X3D, I had stuttering audio and video during windows just because I was OC-ing RAMs to 6000MHz , had to lower to recommended max speed to perform OK.
It started a bit slow but hey 👋 you are bringing the action and STRAIGHT to the point. I'll follow u, Moore's law, Hardware Unboxed and it's this fay guy.... Gamermeld. Shoot for the stars!! What cam do you use?👋👽🤖👻
And you didn't understand the video he is telling that 5200mhz is good and going more then 6000mhz is bad. Open your ears . Next time if you dont want to lose your cpu and mb
@@SHIELD_BRAHbro i still didn't understand 😅 Should I buy 6000mhz ram or 5600 MHz ? I will just overclock them at there actual MHz like if I buy 6000 then I will just overclock till 6000mhz only
My rig is a 7950x3D, RTX 4090 Founders Edition. Kept vanilla. No overclocking. I am running 4 channel RAM 4x16GB (A1,B1,A2,B2) GSkill Trident Z5 CL32-39-39-102 1.40V @6400Mhz. Motherboard is an ASrock x670E Taichi. I first XMP'd my ram to 6400Mhz originally cause I'm a novice. But looked into the Vcache CPU issues so I started playing with my settings. I force my RAM to 6000Mhz and put vSoc at 1.250V. (ASrock thank god cap's you at 1.3V, so no danger of frying). The system ran for a year with infrequent Blue Screens of Death, Maybe once a week, even under heavy usage. But now looking at this video. I'll keep the XMP timings, but change my system to 4800Mhz for my Quad Channel RAM. I'll see if the blue screen disappears (After a month at this speed) and then bump it up to 5200Mhz and go from there. 6000Mhz is too much for my system so I figured I'm probably at 4800-5600Mhz in stable operation range. Will do some testing to see where I can't push past. Thank you so much for this video. I must have gotten very lucky to be operating at 4 channel @ 6000Mhz with only minor blue screen inconvenience once and while.
Could I possibly request you making a HOW-TO video that shows you where you can find the settings you are talking about and how to adjust them. Now, I do not know if you make any voltage changes or timing changes but if you did, could you please show us this too.. For people new to AMD, Computer building, BIOS changes and the likes this would give us more confidence of getting our system to work at "peak" performance.. It has been 17 years since I last worked with AMD systems and are planning to have/make 2 of them for me and my wife. I would really appreciate it if you would consider this..
That's completely ridiculous, why would anyone compress all this highly relevant information into one convenient place instead of 400 different forums.
Omg, i wish I found this video sooner. I got a 7800x3d and had an issue with the pc crashing with a black screen due to EXPO turned on. When you're selecting a particular memory speed, does it matter if Expo is on or not? I currently have EXPO on, but using EXPO 2 instead of 1 since 1 seems to be the one causing the instability issue.
what alot of the things he isnt telling you, your motherboard vendor example Asus...has a QVL list in which ram kits have been tested and is compatible with the motherboard you purchased. Big hint buy ram thats named brand stick to Corsair.
@@alexleon8406 dont enable xpo just run at stock not the xmp or xpo settings to see if that works. if it keeps crashing test with one ram stick at a time. what brand did you buy
I really had some bad luck... although I chose RAM that is explicitly suitable for EXPO and should be compatible with the mainboard... my system only runs stable with the stock clock of 4800 MHz CL40. The system worked stable for a month at 6000 MHz CL32, long enough to be out of the refund period. Because I don't have the time, nerves and money to buy and test different RAM kits right now... I'll leave it at, it's just a Rysen 5 7500F. I want to switch to an X3D CPU in the future, so RAM speed and latency won't play a major role anyway.
I found you're Video as I was Searching for Information about a MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Mainboard because I want to Build a new PC. If you have the Time can you get me some Tipps about my Planed Build? I have knowledge about PC's and Building one but I'm not a Pro. My Planed Build was the Mentioned B650 Board, a AMD Ryzen 9 7950x or 7950x3d with 64GB of DDR5 RAM with 5200 - 6000 MHz. Do you think I can ran into the same issues you had with you're 3dx Build?
Any updates after 5 months ? Cause the gskill ram is cl30 at 6000 and cl40 at 5200 and thats not a small difference that i can ignore . Dont you think so ?
I applied all core negative 30 for ryzen 7700 non-x what should I do for per core where can I find best settings. I know silicon lottery issue. It looks normal but what should I do is it stable or not?
Can you show us what build you have to run the Am5 on much appreciated. I'm trying to find what a good build is for a new comp. I haven't come accross anyone in a past few days if AM5 is working. And buy the way I like the Asrock X670e motherboard seems to be rock solid. (pardon the pun)
FINALLY I understood what all the issues with RAM and ryzen 7000 are. Finished a build and did not figure out why the pc won’t post after enabling amd expo. THANK YOU
I am planning on getting a 7600+MSI A620+crucial 2x8GB(single rank) 4800CL40. is the ram okay? or will gskill 6000 CL36 do better? but 32gig is totally not necessary and this is a very tight budget build
At the beginning of the year, i had a large sum of cash where I bought and built myself and friends computer. My full rig: 7950x cpu with a 4080, 1000w msi psu, and an asrock b650 pg lighting mobo with 32 gigs of ddr5 ram at 6000mhz inside a fractal air xl case. My rig originally was running all 4 dimms at that 6000 mhz speed, but changed it to 2 dimms for stability. I handed the previous kit to my friend. My friend's rig: 13900k with a 4080 on a z790 asrock pg riptide board with ddr5 5200 mhz ram inside a really nice msi case he picked out (cant remember the name). Now I got him the 5200 ram because the 13900k reccomended it on its box. When I sent my spare 6000mhz kit, the highest he could go regaurdless if he went 2 dimm or 4 dimm was 3600/4800. The 5200 kit works just fine. I went with Kingston for all the kits, and so far found them to be infinitely more copesetic with amd cpus rather than intel. So brand matters apparently when pairing ram with a cpu. but at the same time his problems tell me that my cpu ended up getting better quality control than his, or even over ALLOT of other ryzen 7/9 owners. I won the silicon lottery on my 7950x. And especially after what all I've seen about the 13900k, his cpu should be performing muuuuch better than mine, especially where memory is concerned. Ive seen 13900k rigs hitting 7000 or 8000 mhz. I havent seen many ryzen builds go anywhere near that level of speed. So yea, just sharing a story that correlates to what you said in your video. You need good silicon, and you need to research what brand ram is working with your cpu the best at the time of your building, and what configurations are working best for what you have planned. Most controllers of any cpu out now is going to only be able to handle 2 dimms. If you can handle 4 dimms beyond stock speeds, you got yourself an exceptionally well built cpu. I didn't know anything when I built our rigs, I was learning as I went. Figured out pretty much everything st the end of it and became a tech nerd. I have my cpu undervolted and my gpu has profiles for bother overclocking and underclocking for certain games, its pretty cool.
I accidentally bought the wrong RAM without NEO AMD Expo (G.Skill Trident Z5). I want to ask if it's worth replacing them and enabling expo? There's a slight difference in timing, but both are CL30.
So with 2x16GB 32GB ram the recommended speed is 5200 and with 4x16GB 64GB ram will need to be 3600? And do I need to optimize the curves or is that optional? I don't know much about the technical parts so I might run 5200 and when I get my other kit with 32 GB I can put it on 3600 and run fine right?
Honestly, we are fighting over 5fps improvement, I would take stability over 5fps any day, so knocking my 4 dimms down to 3600, its not worth the hassle of crashed systems, might be ok if all you do is play games on your PC, but not when it could cause you to lose work. Thanks for highlighting this, shame on AMD for being DDR5 compatible yet only supporting the low speeds, its false marketing that not only P's off the consumer, but costs them money buying 6000Mhz memory as well as all the time wasted trying to fit a square peg into a round hole!
If I turn on expo I can get 6000, but the soc voltage is at a constant 1.3, how concerned should I be about that? If I tried to manually lower it, I get bsod, weird win 11 issues. So what should I do here?
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The Max Memory Speed is referring to mega-transfers per second, not Megahertz.
As a person who never got a problem with amd I was shocked with how many people have problem with amd drivers and so on. Unfortunately, now I have built a pc for my girlfriend and we have a problem with the RAM. I am slowly losing my hair as Im trying all the settings. I have bluescreens even at stock 4800mhz. I'll try to run your settings and start again from there. Let's hope it will be finally fine. We have the same config expect the gpu - I bought 7900 XTX From pulse.
if motherboard has:
• 1DPC 1R Max speed up to 8000+ MHz
• 1DPC 2R Max speed up to 6400+ MHz
• 2DPC 1R Max speed up to 6400+ MHz
• 2DPC 2R Max speed up to 5400+ MHz
Can i still get 2 6600MHz or 6400MHz and select the pre-set overclocking profiles at those speeds and still be fine ? and not get blue screened
I wasted almost 2 months and I used all settings possible. I gave up and bought new ram with default clock at 6000Mhz. Now i overclocked it at 6400mhz and I have absolutely no issue. It turned out I just got faulty RAM
just test 8000mhz its still push fps and 1%lows in games on am5
I really hate DDR5, the illution of speed...Hardware unboxed (with the help of Builzoid) showed with optimized timings even at 5200mhz your best bet is to get good cheap sticks and tweak them yourself to get the extra 5-10% preformance.
I got corsair 6000mt c30 ..didnt liked voltages ..downclocked it to 5600 mt c30(buildzoid timings without trefi) mem at 1.225v and SOC arized just a bit over stock to 1.05v (stock is 1.022v ) ..btw im on 9700x so yea i do see benefits ..and got it for 290 eu
Much thanks for simplifying issues of AM5 systems, gained info from your last video on this, watch for your video's, thanks for your effort which shows your desires to spread the word and actually help others!
Thank you! I appreciate you saying that!
Thanks for your videos regarding the AM5 ramspeed, very informative. Have a new build with the 7800x3d and a 7900XT and had some crashes in games and short audio blackouts most of the time after 2 or 3 hours of gameplay even with the new bios that should be able to run these high ram speeds. I turned the ramspeed down from 6000mhz to 5200mhz and the system is rock solid since then. As I play in 4k it doesnt really make any difference an coming from a 4790k from 2014 I am really happy with my AMD build. Back to AMD for CPU and graphics after 15 years and I am more than satisfied. Greatings from Belgium
Could you tell me if you felt a big difference in fps between 6000 MHz and 5200 MHz RAM speeds ?
Hello from France (si tu parles français, au passage, je suis preneur XD)
I don't understand why anyone would attack you for saying such obvious things XD what sort of education are new pc builders getting if they don't know that RAM OCs are not guaranteed? It says it on the store pages for these RAM kits. I feel like anyone that didn't already know this shouldn't be recommended to try PBO offsets. Voltage is too easy to mess up if someone's experience is that minimal. Something can "feel" stable, but won't be.
I agree. Thank you for this comment. Well said!
This is the perfect I needed! Thanks so much ! My new build (3 days old) was giving me problems with power cycling I moved the RAM speed from 5600 to 5200mhz, Now it runs to perfection!
Really appreciate it ☺
Leave pc gaming it's trash move on to consoles or cloud gaming instead
@@Noob._gamer yeah nah, but thx pal
@@Noob._gamer user name checks out
@@Noob._gamer Dude... do you have a life at all? Is all you do to go around tech channels saying the same baseless moronic thought?
@@Noob._gamer nice, congratulations on that helpful comment! Will get a ps5 now and render 3D animations, cut videos and sometimes game on that!
I just built a system on an Asus B650 Prime Plus, 7700X with 32gb Gskill Flare X DDR5 6000 with Expo enabled. It's on the QVL.
Awesome. Sounds good.
Very informative. Im a new pc builder and have been having expo memory errors. I didnt know this. Ill start with lower settings and see how it goes
How did it go? What errors/issues were you having?
@robdog979 I'm here for that also
I think what a lot of people's complaints are when it comes to what companies say is their max supported speed is the fact that all of their benchmark numbers will be with that sweet spot overclocked speed that they don't guarantee. Nobody wants to feel like they're getting less than what was advertised on the slides in the press material that the company released. If they want to guarantee only a certain speed then their benchmarks should all max out at that supported speed so that everybody knows what the 100% guaranteed speed performance will be.
Also you seem to forget that ram speeds don't affect x3d chips as much since they can pull from the large l3 cache before having to go to system ram unlike the non x3d chips. It was the same when they benchmarked the 5800x3D on AM4
I have just build a system with Ryzen 7 7800X3D , Corsair vengeance 16x2DDR5 on a ASUS ROG B650E-F wifi Mobo. Even if i change EXPO 1 in bios, i only see 3600MHZ in task manager. Any one has faced this issue?
Sometimes Windows does incorrectly report this. Try reseating your RAM and load default settings and then reapply Expo.
@@ErockOnTech also i forgot to mention, I've checked the RAM speed on ASUS BIOS settings on advanced mode screen
You really do a great job. Objective and clear. It will definitely grow a lot!
Very informative and straight to the point. Will be using this as a reference for my next AM5 build. Thanks!
just switched to a ryzen 7 7800x3d and got two 16gb ddr5 sticks 6000mhz and i get memory errors so ging to reduce the speed to 5200mhz and run it againg
I see this is 2 days old. Any luck? Does it work now?
@@ErockOnTechinswitched to expo ram and so far no problems
@@leogaming83Great!
When I enable expo for 6000mhz I have seemingly smooth gameplay and no crashes but it makes my initial boot time almost a whole minute each time is that normal?
whats was the boot time without expo?
Great info, thanks for the video
Thank you!
Great video! It's really good to hear someone really get into depth about AMD DRAM expectations and how to really temper expectations when trying to get a system up and running. Coming off of the end of DDR4 with such a high level of expected (XMP/DOCP) profile performance to DDR5 which is relatively so new that anything could happen, this will be good for people to hear. Hopefully Ryzen 8000 will have more predictable and stable higher performing DDR5 EXPO performance.
The info here is exactly what I was looking for, theres so many videos but most of them dont just tell it straight like this. Thank you!
if i get a 6000mhz it will run at 5200mhz with no issues right?
RIght, You can always go lower. Maybe even with lower CAS latency.
Just built my 7800X3D system last night. Msi B650 Tomahawk. 32GB Corsair Vengeance 6000mhz C30. RTX 4080 FE.
Ran BIOS Flash before installing CPU.
First attempt didn’t post, no RGB on RAM.
Cleared CMOS and reseated RAM.
Booted up fine. WOOT
Updated all the things, drivers etc.
checked stability for a night. Good to go.
Enabled EXPO this morning. 4hr test and everything is running great! Super stoked haha
Well done for winning the silicon lottery, you now have 5fps more than me in some games ).
I may be a dunce, but this is the first video I've come across to address the single/dual rank RAM issue that made sense. And I've searched for a simple explanation. I run 4X16gig sticks of Corsair 6000 ram at 4200 stable. Yes, I am that dude that does prioritize the look as well as the performance. Like my 4 sticks for my story mode game playing, tyvm.
I have 4 sticks also, crashed my system all down to 5200Mhz so far, hoping its stable there, but one more crash and its going to go to 3600, not messing about anymore, computer is supposed to be a tool, not a pain in the harris!
You have a very aggressive curve optimizer offset, did you get crashes when running DDR6000 while running the CPU at stock settings? Just wondering as I'm curious to know if lowering the curve too far can effect max ram speed.
I'm at work in a meeting while reading the comments and have not watched this video just yet. But figured I'd comment. This might be totally irrelevant so if so I apologize.
I just built my pc 2 weeks ago. I have 7700x on gigabyte b650. The ram I purchased is trident z5 neo. 32gb. 6000mhz with timing 30-38-38-96.
When first setting up the computer ran it at 4800mhz without expo enabled. Once enabled it moved to its assigned cas and timing being the 6000mhz etc.
I have not OC it, changed voltage, or timing yet. It is more than sufficient, but the test I saw on another video teared an assortment of ddr5 for am5.
The ram I purchased had the most fps untuned. Then slower standard speeds when tuned performed at par or better depending on their factory mhz speed.
Essentially the 6000mhz with as low of timing and cas as you can get is the fastest option then you can tune it as well.
I love how you brought up binning. It's going to be wildly variegated, even with the same CPU. *_Especially_* with the LGA switch, they are gonna have some pretty big tolerances.
It’s a big factor. Not enough people cover it or talk about it. It’s always mentioned in passing. We need more exposure on it in my opinion!
@@ErockOnTech maybe the quality control of the obleas should be better so there is minimal differences between cpus.
@@JomarsYT little to no difference between CPUs would be amazing.
Did AMD say the 5200 limit from day one ? Or they changed it later after release ? Why i never heard of it ???
It’s been on their website since day 1. Only tech reviews said to use 6000. And 6000 is the ideal target. But it’s not a guarantee.
I'm using 4 sticks 16gb each (64gb) at 6000mhz dual rank on a 7950X3D on Asus rog strix x670e-e gaming WiFi motherboard but I had assistance from a professional computer shop that does it all the time, they tested it over and over and its had no problem
It's team group ram btw
I bought a AM5 motherboard with Ryzen 9 7900 just a couple of weeks ago with four ram cards (64GB in total) and I can only get 3800mhz at most to get it working. Since I only use the computer to create music this is working fine for me, the M2 ssd are very fast.
Am knocking mine down to 3600, as, like you stability is king, let the kids mess about for 5fps improvement
Never worked with expo so this might be a dumb question but If you enable expo can you still manually set speed or is it going to default to max memory speed. So could I have 2 sticks of 5600 but still tone it down to 5200?
Yes to all your questions lol. Default out of the box is 4800 MHZ. Once you enable EXPO, it’s 6000 or whatever the max rated speed is on your RAM kit. So I take it you have a 5600 MHz kit? Then yes you can manually lower your speed to 5200 MHz. That’s what I did. It has worked great since.
@@ErockOnTech Thanks. I just don't trust AMD doing sensible things so it's best to ask :P
@@Cygnus-Phi Always best to ask!
@@divzed3737 Not necessarily. I’m not sure if this is an AM5/DDR5 only thing. But according to Asus, this is perfectly normal.
Congrats on your channel growth!! You always put out good content!
Thank you! I appreciate it!
Great video. You also recommend to change the CPU pbo setting? If yes what’s a good value?
I would like an opinion. I dropped the ball on my ram purchase. Ive got 7800x3d and i bought gskillz 6400mhz 2x16gb sticks. Xmp not expo. Is that going to be an immediate no no? Everything runs i enabled xmp. I just want to know if im losing out on something
Its fine, just two tools to do the same job, they both read memory and dump those timings in the bios, and from what I can tell, ignore what processor you have, so its effectively just two ways of collecting timing info from the memory, if anyone disagrees, let them post here.
If I understood correctly here 12:51, your 4080 is at 100% utilisation, so you're not going to see much difference in the CPU performance because the card is already doing all the lifting it can, no?
I have R9 7900x with a Asus motherboard and with expo ddr5 at 6000 cl 40 runs without any issues but boot takes about 38 seconds, once I change this to expo but 5200 cl40 now it boots in just 9.8 seconds, huge difference and the system feels like more responsive overall so I’m sticking with 5200 thanks for the info.
I thought cl40s do not support amd expo?
@@xav10 they do seems to work fine till this day I don’t have any issue, I’ll see in the future if I can find a white set of ram with lower cl they are a rare unicorn right now.
ive droped my corsairs from 6000 to 4800, more stable now and fast boots
Had to do it because my CPU starde crashing in games
MegaTransfers not Mhz. And the Latency is a HUGE component. 5200 c28 is generally better than 6000 c36. Additionally, HU showed that the tRC timings had a big impact.
6000 30-38-38-38-96-96 beats 6000 30--36-36-36-76-112 on the 7700x. And 5200 30-38-38-38-96-96 beat 5600 28-34-34-34-89-123....
Can you run at a lower than specified CL IF you lower the memory below its MTs max?
So for the layman. Expo 1, 2 or tweaked?
Expo 1.
@@ErockOnTech Rgr thank you. I've given up on the Asus X670E-A board and returned it for a refund. Network adapter issues, expo issues, GPU issues. Utter disaster of a board.
Getting a Gigabyte board instead.
@@TheSound0fLegendsI wish you better luck with your new motherboard.
Thanks for this video, I was racking my brains on this.
Happy to help!
I bought a 7800x3d, so I don't mind running stock ram speeds if necessary
Yeah apparently the RAM speeds don’t overly affect the X3D chips.
I have a 7800x3d too, lovely CPU. I'm running it with 64gb CL30, 6000mhz, 4x16gb Corsair Dominator ram. All running beautifully smooth at 6000mhz Expo 1. It's always good to win the silicone lottery lol. I can get it up to 6400mhz and stays stable
@@Chrissage-Gaming I hope mine's good. Haven't received it yet
@@JohnnyEMatos got my fingers crossed for you bro. Great CPU, I've been loving life, sure you will be too.
@@Chrissage-Gaming thanks man! My 7900 XTX arrived today. I'm excited and anxious at the same time. This will be my first time building a PC. I've had a prebuilt for a while now and I have swapped out CPUs, coolers and GPUs over time, but I've never built one from scratch myself
This is amazing info that I wish I would have come across sooner!! What are the recommended settings for intel?? Thinking I want to go with a 13700k and wondering now what settings I should change for the recommended settings for intel.
Thank you 🙏 I appreciate it.
To my knowledge, here’s all you need. Intel CPU. DDR4 or DDR5 ram as both are supported with the 12th and 13th gen Intel processors. Just make sure you buy the correct motherboard for the RAM. Yes, enable XMP for sure. 100%. Lastly, make sure you purchase a contact frame for your CPU.
Great Job Breaking These Topics Down!
Thank you!
Awesome amount of helpful information, thanks and cheers mate
I got 7800x3d with MSI b650 tomahawk and Kingstone Fury Beast 2x32GB 6000MHz CL36, i cant post with either expo settings, so i just set it manualy to 5200 (apparently its max JEDEC tested value on AMD site for 7800x3d) and set the timings to be like the EXPO profile and it booted and survived OCCT memory test without crash or BSOD. So i will probably leave it at that.
Бро я сделал также! Для проца 7800x3d нет смысла гнать выше частоту. Да прибудет с тобой сила брат! 👍
the only issue i have is very slow boot to windows.if i enable expo 6000mhz cl 30 .take 1 minute and 40 seconds to open.if i had stock 4800mhz open very fast.what do you think i can do?in games i dont have any blue screen with expo enable.only slow boot.
I did the same thing and I don't know what triggers my bdod, it's never happened when gaming for hours at a time, only when doing light stuff like web browsing or doing homework
This is the ONLY video that has demystified AM5 RAM settings for me, thank you!
You’re welcome! Happy to help!
tru
Bought the Gigabyte microcenter bundle with the Gskills 6000Mhz and it runs great at 6000MZ on XMP. Bought the bundle(CPU,Mobo,ram) for $450 so I can't complain got 32GB of RAM for free
That is a great deal! Yes, AM5 is much better today. It's been over a year. A lot has changed. I just made a new video called AM5 1 Year Later.
First of all, great video and thank you for the great explanations. I do have one question I don't believe was made clear (and if it was, my bad!). You were primarily focused on 5200 and 6000. I'm working with the 7800X3D, so I totally understand those numbers. However, the 7800X3D's recommended settings for 4 sticks are 3600 (not 5200). With that said and if I wanted to use 4 sticks, does that mean I should replaces all references in your video of 5200 with 3600 and 6000 with 4400? You're probably catching on to what I'm saying, but if the recommended number for 4 sticks is 3600, which is 1600 less than 5200 for two sticks), does that mean I should also lower the 6000 by 1600? I'd like to use 4 sticks (more interested in cosmetics) and I don't mind bumping them up a bit (to maybe 4400 instead of 3600), but at the same time, I don't want to assume I can still push for 6000 and blow something up. Hopefully that makes sense.
Great Video. May I know the difference b/w select Profile (such as your video 6000) vs Dram Freq 6000?
Bought a 6000 cl30 64GB kit with XMP and it ran ok on AM5 after enabling XMP in the bios on ASUS MB.
But then I applied the Buildzoid settings for Hynix based ram and then it went super responsive in win11. Go check his guide for the next step up and it’s very stable… not even overvolting the RAM.
Can u share a link?
I’ve seen it. Yeah you need a high end board to use those settings. I only have a B650.
@@ErockOnTech what would count as "high end board"? The asus x670 tuf or the asus prime would already work? I sadly dont know which settings would be needed yet and would like 64 gb
btw.. can you tell me which 64gb kit you are using? i am still looking and configuring for 7950x3d (and thought about using the tuf x670 with that)
@@DiverseGreen-Anon g.skill trident z5 with 7950x3d and asus x670e proart, all works fine but i was not impressed about Asus bios tuned settings so following some bios guides did improve things. Also undervolting :)
Thanks. I will be test comparing 128gb 5200 vs 96gb 6000; 2 Simms vs 4. When I can get my hands on the (2x48). For Blender, Solidworks and Assassin Valhalla.
I definitely won the silicone lottery, I'm running 4x16gb, 6000mhz, CL30, Corsair Dominator ram, 2kits of 32gb for a total of 4 sticks and 64gb. All running at EXPO 1, runs like a dream, not had a single crash. Can go a bit higher too and it stays stable. Glad I can run 4 sticks because it's much more aesthetically pleasing to the eyes, hate seeing those two empty dimm slots.
That’s awesome! That’s amazing actually! Wow.
lucky lucky B! 5fps more than us mere mortals, I bet games look so much better)
I was planning on building a AM5 setup using these,
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
MSI PRO B650-P WIFI
Kingston FURY Beast 64GB (2x32GB) 6000 Mhz
ASUS DUAL Radeon RX 6650 XT OC 8gb
But seeing these issues i wonder if i should just build it or hold off for a while, or if i should go for an intel build instead? 🤔🤔
this gpu is trash, just get 6700 minimum to have 12gb vram
@@strelives I was thinking about replacing my old 1070TI with the relativly "cheap" RX 6650 XT OC 8G and then upgrade the gpu again in a year or two.
i know the 8 gb Vram is low but i was thinking of it as a temporary card until intel's next gpu drops and then using that in my old pc as an emulator pc where the Vram requirement isn't as high
Build it but that card is pretty poor for a 3d , really the 6800xt or higher .
At least get a 6700xt at least you get sensible vram but will still be highly gpu limited
Hi , Great Video Erock, Can you buy 6000mhz and incase it does not work just run it at 5200mhz or 4800?
Hey Bro, my PC runs the RAM automatically to 4800 Mhz, althought it has 6k Mhz RAM speed
@@donnyjenni4092 Try gradually increasing it from bios use XMP Settings try at 5200 , 5600 then 6000mhz + plus on amd website it says 5200mhz is recommended and works on all devices .
@@donnyjenni4092 Default setting on bioses on most ram is 4800mhz for All DDR5 RAM , try gradually increasing it and see how your pc performs , however the best default settings for Ryzen 7000 Series is at 5200Mhz as recommended on amds website, if it works for you without any issues above 5200mhz then use that setting if at 5600mhz or 6000mhz , if you experience any issues , you can just reset the expo settings back to 4800mhz or 5200mhz or above, whatever works best for you.
you are great. Very good and intelligent stuff from you.
Congrats on reaching 8K!
Thank you! I was wondering where you have been!
So regarding OC for the 7800x3d, should I still run PBO with CO negative?
Yes. That’s what I do.
I have 2 questions: 1- if you use a regular stick (non-expo) faster than 5200 and sets its limit as '5200' in the bios would you get a blue screen? 2- if you use 4 sticks of 5200 would it crash too if you dont change it for 3600?
I installed 6000 megahertz and everything worked fine, once a month my PC did not start until you reset the bios. I installed EXPO 5200 and my PC started running more stable.
Excellent!
Try again now with higher ram speed. New bios versions improved stability a LOT. Like my brother had to previously run at 4800mhz, because every time we tried 5600-6000mhz, it would eventually be unstable after a few weeks. Now runs flawlessly at 6200c30 with barely any effort. Will try 6400mhz later.
Ок! Обязательно попробую позже. Спасибо!@@TheJonazas
Thank You for alerting us on AM5 issues. Great videos.
Awesome thank you
You’re welcome! Thank you for watching!
So far 7700x and 5600mhz/cl30 is doing great. I won't even bother with faster ram for a while.
I guess I won the lottery. I ran EXPO 2*16 Corsair Vengeance 6000 CL30 and gamed without issues. I needed 2 sticks more and I get 5000 stable (4*16gigs). 5200I had little errors when doing memtest. 5400 I got blue screen or Windows froze.
Good to know, did you try keeping it at 6000 and raising the CL to 32?, path traces to those extra two dimms causes a couple of latency.
I appreciate every new PC hardware channel out there as an option to base our buying decisions on. Your videos (amongst other channels) convinced me to wait a couple of extra months before I finally build an AM5 rig. I keep bumping into so many incompatibility issues, slow boot times, and some CPUs flat-out burning, etc. that I just didn't want to be part of the beta testing period for AMD. When things settle down a bit and the jump is more reliable, you bet I'll join the party with a top-tier rig since I am really happy with my AM4 setup.
what is your opinion on me (hahah) building my first ever pc. I'm in need of a pc for professional architecture work (Not thaat pro).
I'm between AM4 (ending but stable, but no upgrade option) and AM5 (Don't know what to expect).
I've seen a lot of videos and i'm aware of that it could be hardwork to config a AM5 PC but i don't want an "obsolete" PC either.
So far, i'm aiming to buy (maybe today) The R7 7700 (non X) over the R7 5800x3d
For gaming, there is nothing wrong with AM5 now. My 7700 with PBO + 200MHz & curve optimizer set to negative 30, makes the chip SUPER efficient in the fact that it now boots higher than a 7700X (p95 stable). Of course you need a decent mid range board or higher with good VRM capability. But don't focus on past events with AM5, they have been sorted with the latest bios & AGESA updates.
Thanks for the advice on those BIOS settings. It proved to be very useful in an AM5/RX7000 system I’ve been tinkering with as of late. Once completed, it’ll have a 7900X with a very efficient cooler, and a 7900 XT reference model, along with a couple bells and whistles like a sound card and an up-to-date network adapter. If this system proves to be resilient, especially with an updated BIOS that prevents the CPU from overloading, I think I’ll start incorporating this generation of hardware into some e-commerce business ventures that involve semi-customizable computers built from scratch.
That’s awesome! I’m happy to hear my advice helped! Thank you for sharing!
@@ErockOnTech You’re welcome, I’ve been very interested with formulating the best price-to-performance hardware/software configurations ever since stumbling across e-commerce business. I’ve assigned the names “Neptune” and “Mars” to my duo of configurations - Intel/Nvidia & Ryzen/Radeon.
@@SirChristoferus That sounds awesome!
@@ErockOnTech If Intel’s innovation with new hardware keeps up, my configurations might turn into a trio eventually. “Orion” would probably be a good name for an Intel/Intel configuration, since the Orion constellation is well known for its bright blue stars - it has a blue giant called Bellatrix, and a blue supergiant called Rigel.
Is there any real benefit to going over 6000 on a seven series? Running a 7950x. Got some G.Skill CL-30-38-38 6000 single rank 2x16 being shipped today
I don't believe he answers questions after the video is older than a week or month. Answering questions helps get subs.
We are here for help. I don't get why creator's make videos in the beginning to help people. Once they get big they stop helping people in the comments. Please don't be like the rest. Most viewers are here because they need help. Questions/comments is part of the work of being a creator.
I found this 1 mechanic who will answer you as long as he is a wake. I see why he has so many subscribers. He made my day. I help everyone. Once in a while I need help. Seem Noone cares.
We all need help sometimes
I Purchased Ryzen 7 7800x3d and pre ordered a Corsair Dominator Platinum 6200 Mhz CL36 to upgrade my Am4 system to Am5. but lately I discovered that the Ram I bought was for Intel, SKU: cmt32gx5m2x6200c36w
Question is: Will it work?
or what will happen if I combine these two?
I hope to get answers from you! Big Thanks!
ive heard different RAM brands perform differently too. Im building an MSI AM5 system and have been told that Corsair RAM is a no-no. Either G.Skill or Kingston (6000Mhz) are the most stable (for my chosen motherboard)- I went with Kingston...granted, im yet to buld yet and find out for myself, but at least from the MSI forum, this is what ive heard.
I have a MSI board. I have Corsair RAM. No real issues. 6000 MHz is a bit inconsistent. 5200 MHz runs great.
Gskill neo working without issue
@@PeterEnis69 That’s great!
@@ErockOnTechI know you use Dominator, but do you think the corsair vengeance ddr5 6000 would be just as compatible as dominator?
@@bangleyjelly Yes I think so.
For a streaming set up, I bought the msi rtx 4070 ti gaming trio. What MSI board for a blackout build would you recommend? It's sad that there's no more Unify line up...
Man this explains a lot, a friend and I built our PCs at the same time, with almost the same parts (he bought an Asus motherboard and I bought a MSI). He can use his PC at 6000 MHz without problems all day, while I have the same problems that you mention that happen to you when you use it at 6000 MHz, I will try lowering the speed of the rams to 5200 MHz. thank you
Did it work for u?
@@imansammy yeah, it works
can i rly put XMP on and then manually lowering the frequency? like i have 6400 mhz but i want it on 6000 for my r7 7800x3d
I learned everything i need to buy my next CPU and motherboard, thanks!
So increasing the voltage past 1.35v on the RAM wont help boost the transfer speeds to 6000 if it is only running stable at 5600 or 5200?
I haven’t tested that. So I don’t know for certain.
Thanks for this information. I have a Ryzen 7 7800X3D, I had stuttering audio and video during windows just because I was OC-ing RAMs to 6000MHz , had to lower to recommended max speed to perform OK.
Never had issues with intel XMP, amd is a little more picky.
It started a bit slow but hey 👋 you are bringing the action and STRAIGHT to the point. I'll follow u, Moore's law, Hardware Unboxed and it's this fay guy.... Gamermeld. Shoot for the stars!! What cam do you use?👋👽🤖👻
Currently I have the Z5 rgb Ram kit which does support XMP but no Expo. Is it worth it to refund it and buy an expo kit instead?
the xmp ram will run good ?
I am going to buy g skill trident 16x2 6000mhz xmp
Will xmp runs good on amd ?? With 6000mhz speed at bios ??
Nah you are overclocking. I have amd too
And you didn't understand the video he is telling that 5200mhz is good and going more then 6000mhz is bad. Open your ears . Next time if you dont want to lose your cpu and mb
Get a 2x16 5200mhz and run it smoothly
@@SHIELD_BRAHbro i still didn't understand 😅
Should I buy 6000mhz ram or 5600 MHz ? I will just overclock them at there actual MHz like if I buy 6000 then I will just overclock till 6000mhz only
@@Crenzy-ct9tt buy a 5200mhz ram that is both compatible with ur mb and cpu . What is ur mb .
I just built a AMD5 system and if I knew all this bull I would have just stuck with Intel. Are there any problems like this with Intel builds?
Which OSD are you using in this video? thanks
My rig is a 7950x3D, RTX 4090 Founders Edition. Kept vanilla. No overclocking. I am running 4 channel RAM 4x16GB (A1,B1,A2,B2) GSkill Trident Z5 CL32-39-39-102 1.40V @6400Mhz. Motherboard is an ASrock x670E Taichi.
I first XMP'd my ram to 6400Mhz originally cause I'm a novice. But looked into the Vcache CPU issues so I started playing with my settings. I force my RAM to 6000Mhz and put vSoc at 1.250V. (ASrock thank god cap's you at 1.3V, so no danger of frying). The system ran for a year with infrequent Blue Screens of Death, Maybe once a week, even under heavy usage. But now looking at this video. I'll keep the XMP timings, but change my system to 4800Mhz for my Quad Channel RAM. I'll see if the blue screen disappears (After a month at this speed) and then bump it up to 5200Mhz and go from there. 6000Mhz is too much for my system so I figured I'm probably at 4800-5600Mhz in stable operation range. Will do some testing to see where I can't push past. Thank you so much for this video. I must have gotten very lucky to be operating at 4 channel @ 6000Mhz with only minor blue screen inconvenience once and while.
Could I possibly request you making a HOW-TO video that shows you where you can find the settings you are talking about and how to adjust them. Now, I do not know if you make any voltage changes or timing changes but if you did, could you please show us this too..
For people new to AMD, Computer building, BIOS changes and the likes this would give us more confidence of getting our system to work at "peak" performance.. It has been 17 years since I last worked with AMD systems and are planning to have/make 2 of them for me and my wife.
I would really appreciate it if you would consider this..
That's completely ridiculous, why would anyone compress all this highly relevant information into one convenient place instead of 400 different forums.
Omg, i wish I found this video sooner. I got a 7800x3d and had an issue with the pc crashing with a black screen due to EXPO turned on. When you're selecting a particular memory speed, does it matter if Expo is on or not? I currently have EXPO on, but using EXPO 2 instead of 1 since 1 seems to be the one causing the instability issue.
what alot of the things he isnt telling you, your motherboard vendor example Asus...has a QVL list in which ram kits have been tested and is compatible with the motherboard you purchased. Big hint buy ram thats named brand stick to Corsair.
@@clint1041 I just checked Asus qvl list for my motherboard and my skill memory is on that list, but it doesn't seem stable.
@@alexleon8406 dont enable xpo just run at stock not the xmp or xpo settings to see if that works. if it keeps crashing test with one ram stick at a time. what brand did you buy
@@clint1041 I have gskill trident neo ddr5-6000 2*16gb
@@alexleon8406 you might need to see if you have to do a bios update
nice explain,,, i love your thoughts. thanks
Can i use ddr5 ram corsair 6000mhz optimized intel xmp3.0 on amd and if it will work with same performance qnd speed ?
is it same with intel LGA 1700 cpus and their mobos xmp mode? they also have bsod when they run above 6000 7000mhz? or is this just amd stuff?
5:06 Is this 17oC for real or during booting? Even on booting, it looks too low.
I’m sorry I don’t understand the question. 17oc? I don’t see 17oc on screen at that timestamp. Maybe I’m missing something. My apologies.
@@ErockOnTech, my bad, I referred to the cooling temperature, 17 degrees Celsius, but I was mistaken by the CPU temperature. Thanks.
@@lipschutzNo problem.
I really had some bad luck... although I chose RAM that is explicitly suitable for EXPO and should be compatible with the mainboard... my system only runs stable with the stock clock of 4800 MHz CL40. The system worked stable for a month at 6000 MHz CL32, long enough to be out of the refund period.
Because I don't have the time, nerves and money to buy and test different RAM kits right now... I'll leave it at, it's just a Rysen 5 7500F. I want to switch to an X3D CPU in the future, so RAM speed and latency won't play a major role anyway.
I found you're Video as I was Searching for Information about a MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Mainboard because I want to Build a new PC.
If you have the Time can you get me some Tipps about my Planed Build? I have knowledge about PC's and Building one but I'm not a Pro.
My Planed Build was the Mentioned B650 Board, a AMD Ryzen 9 7950x or 7950x3d with 64GB of DDR5 RAM with 5200 - 6000 MHz.
Do you think I can ran into the same issues you had with you're 3dx Build?
Any updates after 5 months ? Cause the gskill ram is cl30 at 6000 and cl40 at 5200 and thats not a small difference that i can ignore . Dont you think so ?
8k 💯 huge stuff congrats erock
I applied all core negative 30 for ryzen 7700 non-x what should I do for per core where can I find best settings. I know silicon lottery issue. It looks normal but what should I do is it stable or not?
Can you show us what build you have to run the Am5 on much appreciated. I'm trying to find what a good build is for a new comp. I haven't come accross anyone in a past few days if AM5 is working. And buy the way I like the Asrock X670e motherboard seems to be rock solid. (pardon the pun)
FINALLY I understood what all the issues with RAM and ryzen 7000 are. Finished a build and did not figure out why the pc won’t post after enabling amd expo. THANK YOU
No mention of FLCK settings??
I thought all X3D chips benefit most from finding max stable fabric clock then setting DDR to a nice ratio
Thank you for saving my life
Is your computer powering your iron lung?
8:34 casually flexing on us😂 Nerds+Jocks "when worlds collide" 🎶
I am planning on getting a 7600+MSI A620+crucial 2x8GB(single rank) 4800CL40. is the ram okay? or will gskill 6000 CL36 do better? but 32gig is totally not necessary and this is a very tight budget build
For anyone reading this today, AM5 still has the BSOD issues that he mentions.
Congrats on 21k subs
At the beginning of the year, i had a large sum of cash where I bought and built myself and friends computer. My full rig: 7950x cpu with a 4080, 1000w msi psu, and an asrock b650 pg lighting mobo with 32 gigs of ddr5 ram at 6000mhz inside a fractal air xl case. My rig originally was running all 4 dimms at that 6000 mhz speed, but changed it to 2 dimms for stability. I handed the previous kit to my friend.
My friend's rig:
13900k with a 4080 on a z790 asrock pg riptide board with ddr5 5200 mhz ram inside a really nice msi case he picked out (cant remember the name). Now I got him the 5200 ram because the 13900k reccomended it on its box. When I sent my spare 6000mhz kit, the highest he could go regaurdless if he went 2 dimm or 4 dimm was 3600/4800. The 5200 kit works just fine.
I went with Kingston for all the kits, and so far found them to be infinitely more copesetic with amd cpus rather than intel.
So brand matters apparently when pairing ram with a cpu. but at the same time his problems tell me that my cpu ended up getting better quality control than his, or even over ALLOT of other ryzen 7/9 owners. I won the silicon lottery on my 7950x.
And especially after what all I've seen about the 13900k, his cpu should be performing muuuuch better than mine, especially where memory is concerned. Ive seen 13900k rigs hitting 7000 or 8000 mhz. I havent seen many ryzen builds go anywhere near that level of speed.
So yea, just sharing a story that correlates to what you said in your video.
You need good silicon, and you need to research what brand ram is working with your cpu the best at the time of your building, and what configurations are working best for what you have planned. Most controllers of any cpu out now is going to only be able to handle 2 dimms. If you can handle 4 dimms beyond stock speeds, you got yourself an exceptionally well built cpu.
I didn't know anything when I built our rigs, I was learning as I went. Figured out pretty much everything st the end of it and became a tech nerd. I have my cpu undervolted and my gpu has profiles for bother overclocking and underclocking for certain games, its pretty cool.
7800x3d -45 negative curve optimizer ?
I accidentally bought the wrong RAM without NEO AMD Expo (G.Skill Trident Z5). I want to ask if it's worth replacing them and enabling expo? There's a slight difference in timing, but both are CL30.
So with 2x16GB 32GB ram the recommended speed is 5200 and with 4x16GB 64GB ram will need to be 3600? And do I need to optimize the curves or is that optional? I don't know much about the technical parts so I might run 5200 and when I get my other kit with 32 GB I can put it on 3600 and run fine right?
Honestly, we are fighting over 5fps improvement, I would take stability over 5fps any day, so knocking my 4 dimms down to 3600, its not worth the hassle of crashed systems, might be ok if all you do is play games on your PC, but not when it could cause you to lose work.
Thanks for highlighting this, shame on AMD for being DDR5 compatible yet only supporting the low speeds, its false marketing that not only P's off the consumer, but costs them money buying 6000Mhz memory as well as all the time wasted trying to fit a square peg into a round hole!
If I turn on expo I can get 6000, but the soc voltage is at a constant 1.3, how concerned should I be about that? If I tried to manually lower it, I get bsod, weird win 11 issues. So what should I do here?
Thank you for this video, you are the best