The Beatles - The Holy Grail
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- Опубликовано: 29 окт 2020
- Beatles historian David Bedford goes behind one of the exhibits at The Beatles Story, Liverpool. This time, it is the recently unearthed acetate that Brian Epstein had made above HMV, which led to him getting in front of George Martin. Discover how The Beatles got their recording contract with George Martin at Parlophone.
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Very cool backstory of how the greatest rock band got their record contract, thanks
As a kid in the early 60s, I really liked reel-to-reel. My dad had one. Records were of course appreciated as well.
My dad had a reel to reel too. Looked great and was amazing for the time.
Fascinating stuff David. I really appreciate these insights, thanks 😃
Thank you
Thank you for taking up these topics.
Destiny in the making. It was going to take the perfect combination of chemistry and people for the magic to happen!
It only takes one person to really believe in you
I never knew this. Well done. Enjoyed the video
Love it... Thank you!
That was interesting, good info video .Thumbs up Mate.
Awsome story David.
Wow, I actually just read this bit in Mark Lewisohn's book, Tune In. The details are spot-on. I'll have to drop in next time I'm in Liverpool. :)
they should put that out as picture sleeve 45 rpm. I would buy it. great post.
Awesome!
Producers signing bands to production deals, then the producer makes a deal with the record company which inserts him in the middle - the artist signed to the producer, the producer signed to the label, was a common thing in the 60s and early 70s and is one of the ways artists got severely fucked. The royalties were paid from the label to the producer, then the producer to the artist (after he takes his hefty cut.) The Beatles made very little money for many years.
George Martin was also screwed by EMI as his fee was a standard salary and nothing for producing all these amazing records with many groups. Power all lies with the record companies who milk the golden calf of bands and then dump them.
@@Liddypool , thanks to both of you (and all others who bring things like this up!). Like most big corporations (and the government itself), despite the services that such monolithic entities provide, there is almost always a huge dark side that doesn't get the same attention . . . !
I remember reading how the usual percentage that artists got back in the late fifties and early sixties was (mjaybe) around 1% (??). I think Bob Dylan was able to increase his to around 3% early on (but Dylan was not a huge seller -- but he was cherished for the prestige he brought by Columbia Records -- and later, another label in the seventies whose that I don't recall).
I think it was the Rolling Stones who broke through the small percentage cediling by hiring Alan Klein(?) as their manager.
Anyway . . . I hope there is a good film online about the history of how recording artists often got screwed. As you can see I know but a smattering, and even that may be flawed.
thank God you were there,,,,or the world might never know this
Would love to go on a Beatles tour. I’m in U.S. and maybe one day I will do it.
You can join me on a Virtual Beatles tour for now. www.liverpoolvirtualtours.com
@@Liddypool I definitely will, and thanks. Will comment after watching.
Not only the tour but you will enjoy Liverpool, in the summer there's always music being played on Saturdays by someone and hopefully the Cavern will be saved and that would be a place to visit, do try and make it.
Fab!
Drummer Robin Bailey from The Phantoms was nearly picked for Australien tour when Ringo was on sickleave! He in later years played with Swedish band Sven- Ingvars
Yes, listen to Sven-Ingvars song"Anita"
The Beatles seemed to be not only gifted but lucky as well. Lucky to have Epstein to manage them. Had he not been so persistent who knows what would have happened.
I think most historians, including the Beatles themselves, agree that, without Brian Epstein, The Beatles would never have got a recording deal and therefore would never have made it. We owe Brian for his vision and belief in them.
@@Liddypool did Brian Epstein say that the Beatles were going to be bigger than Elvis Presley? To my mind If he felt that way about them, he must had tremendous Faith in them.
I used to own a "wooden Apple" Records box....
It's always been known that George Martin made the Beatles by fine tuning them, George and now his son should be acknowledged
He was a genius and just what they needed. He became almost part of the group, he was that important.
I thought the record that they were interested in was Like Dreamers Do.
Yeah because I sat on the desk for a while before anything happened. It was just chance look that they made it. People only knew how close the Beatles came to not making it.
Fantastic
The script to early beatles history is just so perfect. Thank christ it all worked out
Did the Beatles story ever announce who the winner was for the Beatles story 30th anniversary thing from December of 2020
Not sure, sorry
Let us hear it
Unfortunately this story is only partially correct. Read Mark Lewisohn's "Tune In" for the real story.
Is this the audition which was filmed...
@@willzimjohn I'm afraid that is just Kim Bennetts story when told to Mark. In an earlier interview he confirmed the original story was true as did all the other people mentioned.
It is also not true that The Beatles were under contract on 6rh June. In my book, Finding the Fourth Beatle, I dispel those myths having investigated them myself.
I also proved that Pete Best was never sacked in the way we have been told.
For more information on it, go to my website www.thebeatlesdetective.com where I explain what really happened.
Yes this story really needs to be updated, surely it’s not good enough for a Beatles museum. Tune In was published more than 7 years ago so the above video is well out of date.
Hi, I have read Tune In and whereas it is an incredible book, there are some factual errors which my research has uncovered.
@@willzimjohn Thanks for your reply. Although Lewisohn's evidence is in an interview with Kim Bennett shortly before he died, this is completely contrary to his earlier interview which told the original story. Bennetts timescale doesn’t fit either with Brian Epsteins or George Martin's diaries. So actually, we only have Bennetts word for it from his most recent interview.
Also, although it was suggested that the Beatles were under contract on 6th June in Tune In, that wasn't he case. I have qualifications in Contract Law, but got an opinion from the former top lawyer in Liverpool who was unbiased and objective. He confirmed that the Beatles were not under contract on 6th June, which is confirmed by evidence from George Martin, Brian Epstein and the 4 Beatles as well as the documents from EMI, ironically which are displayed in Lewisohn's excellent Beatles Chronicles book.
I also then supplemented my research with Brian Epsteins lawyer who could confirm everything too.
If you want to find more of my research with the evidence, you can check out my book "Finding the Fourth Beatle" or some of my blogs on www.thebeatlesdetective.com
Further proof that there'd be no "Beatles" as we know them without George Martin. Even Paul said at Martin's passing, if there was anyone deserving of being considered the 5th Beatle, it was George Martin. George forged the Beatles from exceptional, yet raw talent.
Actually, there's no Beatles without Brian Epstein... Granted, subsequently, George 'made' the Beatles musically, however, without Brian's initial persistence, all would have never happened - serendipity... I never knew that Brian had such a major part of their record deal. Too bad he passed on so early in his life. He could have put together a great encapsulation of the early years of the Fab Four!
Or Bob Boast, or Sid Coleman or Jim Foy
How many copies of the acetate still exist. Did one sell recently for £77,000?
This was the only one made especially for Brian Epstein.
@@Liddypool Wow. Thank you. 11 people claim to own one of these on Discogs. I guess they are lying or have fakes!
@@Liddypool Was this one the disc that ended up with Freddie Marsden?
I think that as germans did in Leipzig, with "the Bach archives", you should do in Liverpool with "The Beatles archives". Formally, a public foundation under the “Apple corps”. Pratically, an important place in the city center that can house a museum with memorabilia, a security vault with all the original scores and manuscripts, the “refresh” copies of the original master tapes, bounce down mixes and stampers, the private archives of all the members of the band and, finally, all the original records and instruments with "musical sets” organized according to every type of sound and sonority they have been able to invent in the course of the evolution of their style.
We are lucky in Liverpool because we already have two such great places. The Beatles Story at the Albert Dock has a lot of original Beatles memorabilia, plus the new Liverpool Beatles Museum on Mathew Street has some rare memorabilia too.
Sorry I went through the story to hear the records! Later, Z.K.
Well weren't you surprised when the records were't played.
What speed does this acetate play at?
The picture at 1:35 shows a 33 RPM acetate, you can tell by the multiple tracks on each side. But the Beatles acetate has only one song taking up each side so I'm thinking 78. Looks like a 78 record.
I have a few that play at 45rpm.
The “failed the audition” narrative is too simplistic. DECCA (and others) passed for many reasons, not the least of which was that the 1962 record industry was seeking other than guitar-based bands. It was all about solo artists singing with a studio accompaniment, what the industry execs thought would “sell“.
These are asatiates ?
Yes, shellac acetates
From cutting a vinyl LP to todays film making mobile phones, what a jump. Everybody can be the Beatles today ?
Not without George Martin.
Well EMI blew that one!
if I were going to produce such a video, I'd have a lapel mic to produce MUCH higher quality audio AND hire an American narrator so us Yanks can understand him better
Hmm. When provided I generally find the "CC" (closed caption) button for videos (like this one) extremely useful.
mark marchiafava really? If you've got cloth ears then listen harder.
And let me guess, you are American-cause you,guys are the best at everything, right? 🙄
Only an American would be arrogant enough to suggest that a documentary about a BRITISH BAND be narrated by an American. Go wave your flag somewhere else.
@@glengamble526 Audio quality is something EVERYONE producing videos should strive to achieve, has nothing to do with nationality. Is this video watched ONLY in England? Anyone with common sense KNOWS to tailor your product to audience
@@tooge47 learn English!
Just a minor audio whinge....the mic is picking on the "mouth noise" quite clearly. Off-putting trying to listen to subject matter while it's punctuated with what sounds like somebody stirring a bowl of cake mix. 🙉
Really? You really took the time to add that comment?!
Rest in peace James Paul McCartney.
What do you mean?
@@Liddypool Revolver was the last full LP that Paul was on...and one 45 with Rain and Paperback writer. Everything after that is William aka as Paul McCartney...or Beatle Bill to his friends.
@@thorpenator9148 William who? The Conqueror, Shakespeare, Tell, Wordsworth, Wallace, Boyd........? Beatle Bill? 😂😂😂😂😂
@@davidread7492 Haha. Paul's real name is Bill. The replacement Paul. You can find many...many people calling him Bill.
Dana Carvey is just one of many. George Harrison said...Beatle Bill is making a pig of himself.
Not only that, but Bigfoot is an alien and the world is flat.