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I remember when I first heard The Beatles' surviving recordings with Pete Best - the July 1961 Hamburg recordings with Tony Sheridan and the January 1, 1962 Decca audition - I thought that Pete was a better drummer technically than Ringo but Ringo fit in more with the band. When my then-girlfriend Cat and I first got the bootleg LP of the Decca audition we both thought, "If THIS is what we'd had to go on, we wouldn't have signed them, either!" Once Ringo played those thundering tom-tom parts on "Please Please Me," it was clear he deserved the gig.

1:55 EMI had to my knowlege an Employmentgaranty for their own Sessenmusicians. Thats absolutely Illeagal these days. Don't sighn Contracts with studios, wich replace the bands musicians!

Pete Best is an awful drummer and his personality didn't fit the others. Ringo is one of the greatest drummers of all time with timelessly inventive drum parts and his personality matched the others. One slight change in events could alter the course of history. They might not have made it big with Pete Best in the band. No one would've guessed that The Beatles would be that big. Pete's got nothing be upset about.

Even Paul was playing mostly roots and fifths in the early days. Add rhythm got music.

Doesn't matter because Paul McCartney is a monster bass player.

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Bobby Graham...tuning down money, fame and history...smart move..

The Beatles were the worst band in Liverpool in the beginning. They couldn't get to Hamburg without a drummer. Pete Best accepted to play. They went to Hamburg and the rest is history. So in the end, if it wasnt for Pete, The Beatles wouldn't have made it. Thank you Pete.

Klaus Voorman has in the past spoke of how Stu inspired him to play the bass and that he thought Stu a good bass player.

Pete's mom also had a place to play so

That finally makes sense. I've heard different versions of 'why' & 'what happened '. The contractual thing has a ring of truth. Bands follow the same rules of evolution as we all do biologically; 'survival of the fittest '.

5:20 Too bad that the Merseybeats were a bit too young at that time for Pete to feel comfortable joining them. They eventually had six Top 40 hits. SORROW is my personal favorite song of the Merseybeats.

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Wow, I actually just read this bit in Mark Lewisohn's book, Tune In. The details are spot-on. I'll have to drop in next time I'm in Liverpool. :)

In Lennon's own words, he called Pete a lousy drummer. John's jealousy of Pete's looks was when Epstein was told to fire him. Lennon later said that they all were cowards for not telling Pete themselves. Ringo wasn't any better than Pete and he said so years later. Lots of groups used session drummers of course, the DC5 was one. Dave was in the booth while the songs were being recorded and he knew more about the music industry than most bands did. But as for Pete, Martin should have explained to the band and Epstein what they were doing . I don't think Martin actually had a part in it . I think it was all John Lennon.

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Totally disagree. Ringo Starr was a shit drummer, totally lacking notation/reading skills, basic rudiments (paradiddles, rolls etc). No idea about Pete Best. Probably equally as inadequate. Put Ringo into a Jazz quartet and he'd play like a 3 year old with a kids drum.

The one thing I don’t understand is what happened if Martin didn’t like the other drummer anymore then Pete. That was a huge risk to take when you don’t even know. I think they were tired of Pete and heard this and said yea let’s dump him

Because John Lennon , Paul McCartney and George Harrison were users.

Pete got a drumkit & Ringo got a drum beats........................................

“We never rocked harder or sounded better than the Hamburg gigs” - John Lennon. (Paraphrasing). Pete Best was definitely a part of that “Best Sound” in Hamburg. After Pete Best, they went from a hardcore Proto-type punk/rock band to a highly commercialized (and extremely successful) Pop Band. Yes, absolutely… TWO different bands. You can definitely tell in the way John Lennon sometimes reminisced about the “old days” in Hamburg that he missed that “other” Beatles Rock Band. John was the purest rocker of all 4 Beatles

Beats per minute. Pete was always speeding up and slowing down. Ringo is a metronome.

If Pete was such a great drummer, why did he end up working in a bakery ! There were plenty more bands in Liverpool.

Sounds to me that the interviewer is out to bash Pete and glorify Paul. I don't get it....

The irony of it is that they couldn't hear themselves and became a studio band, Pete was a live performer.People should shut their mouths calling Him, he WAS stabbed in the back regardless.

Ringo s contribution to the beatles is just as significant as the rest of the band

Pete was not a good enough drummer. There's nothing daft about it, and no mystery. There are recordings with him and his playing is dull, unsteady and unimaginitive. For a professional band that's disastrous. Lennon did say they were at their best in those gigs, but he was also irritated to have to go back to Hamburg in '62 before going back to EMI, and in the 70's he said that Pete was a "lousy drummer". He had no reason to talk bad about him and the recordings from Decca support this. About George Martin using a session drummer, yes that was indeed standard practice. So what? It was also standard practice to use a whole band made of session musicians for the backing tracks. But the Beatles were no standard band and they wanted to be the same band on the record as on stage. Because they had that much integrity, and because they were that good.

Just listen to Pete Best on Love Me Do, and make your own mind up. - it's on the Anthology - the 3 versions Pete Best, session drummer and Ringo. Before he joined The Beatles we all knew who he was with Rory Storm. On Love Me Do the main drumming is more like the drummer with Freddie and the Dreamers - all cymbals. Also the first time they recorded for George Martin they used Pete Best and that's when Martin made his mind up as he didn't like Pete's drumming. Martin wouldn't accept Ringo at first, and that's when they used the session drummer, and Ringo, according to Martin, always held it against him. I heard George Martin introducing some Beatles songs and when it came to The Ballad of John and Yoko, only two Beatles were on this: John and Paul. Paul played the drums and George Martin pointed out that it wasn't a patch on Ringo - he just kept the beat, which is the main role for a drummer.

I listened to the whole Beatles oeuvre, including their early years with Pete Best at the drum kit. I ran out and bought the Decca Tapes audition it was released in the 1980s because I wanted to know what Pete sounded like. I've also listened to Pete during his time with the All Stars. I'm not a musician, but anyone with two good ears can hear why the reason The Beatles sacked him. He was serviceable on Like Dreamers Do, but only that. On everything else his timing was chronically off, especially on the bass drum. His work on with the All Stars is a sloppy mess, like dishwater in the ear canals. The Beatles didn't sound like The Beatles until they replaced Pete with Ringo. Pete was holding them back. He was a lousy drummer, and that's the painful truth. If you want to get to the technical details of this, then I refer you to this RUclips video: ruclips.net/video/jU3a1deif-w/видео.html Look, he's lovely guy, a gent with a kind heart. He found his niche with the Civil Service as an employment counsellor at a Job Centre. From what I understand, he was very good at it. He worked at it for 20 years and retired with a pension. He's been married to the same woman for over 50 years and has two daughters and grandchildren. My cousins live in Liverpool, and they tell me he is known and loved by his community. As far as his career and his life goes, he is a very successful man. His strength is working with people. But as a drummer for The Beatles? No, that wasn't his place. You either have the talent for it or you don't, and he didn't and still doesn't.

I heard he quit.

After recently viewing 3 of Bests live performances there are obvious stylistic differences between him and Ringo. Ringo is much steadier, less busy, and consistent, whereas Best plays excessive crash cymbal parts that are not needed and tends to get in the way of the main vocal parts.

This is a fairytale. Pete Best was DEMONSTRABLY an incredibly poor drummer - he struggled to keep time & had minimal talent. Listen to the recordings. Ringo was a machine - tireless, innovative, inventive & yet also able to fit in with the other Beatles. Dumping Pete Best was necessary. He was NOT a great drummer unless you are deaf & incapable of appreciating rhythm.

Ringgit was not top drummer never was lots out there leave him far behind

Shame on them I think Pete was better drummer not only did they sack him snobbed him for life

Hello David. I'm wondering, is it your contention that the Fab 3 were not jealous of Pete?

Great piece David!

The Bobby Graham story is interesting,and it may apply to the other drummers,but when Bobby Graham told George Harrison that Brian Epstein had asked him to join the Beatles,George didn’t know anything about it.Did John and Paul know about it without telling George,if so why?Or was Brian doing something behind all the Beatles backs and again why? According to Tony Sheridan has said that Pete was a vital part of the development of the Beatles because they developed a style of playing necessary to cover Pete’s inadequacies and when Ringo came along it freed them up to become what they became,the greatest entertainment phenomenon ever. We can discuss forever the reasons why John,Paul and George wanted to replace Pete with Ringo but ultimately all that matters is that on the morning of August 16th 1962 John,Paul and George wanted Pete out and Ringo in,it’s as simple as that. P.S.Great book by the way.

Ringo had such a melodic ear, his beats are almost hooks. Not many rock drummers played like that before him, and he fit The Beatles like a glove.

Mr. Liddypool, George Martin is on video saying that Pete Best couldn't keep time very well. The Beatles auditioned for Martin without any session drummer. After Martin heard them is when he decided to use a session drummer. Martin also told Epstein that he didn't care if Best was used when The Beatles were on stage but that he would use a session drummer in the studio. There are 3 other studio producers and engineers that didn't like Pete Best's drumming.....in the studio. B-T-W, I still like your videos. ruclips.net/video/jU3a1deif-w/видео.html

He was too up front and drew attention to the drums but Ringo backed them up.

Big question for me would be...if you didn't know who was on the drums how many people could tell just by "listening" to a beatles track on vinyl or cassette for example...is there a clear distinction and would we as the listening public be really able to tell who was drumming on that session...i do know on some recording sessions even john did a bit of drumming as did george and paul.

He quit because the job wasn't steady enough. Instead he got a job at the Garston Bottleworks.

Great video on the Pete / Ringo saga, alot more informative than Pop Goes The 60's who is of the opinion that any information coming out of anyone from Liverpool is misinformation and is not credible

fantastic podcast guys!

I think there is nothing controversial with Pete being replaced by Ringo. What is controversial is the way it has been done. They've should meet him in person and deliver bad news to him directly, as men and business people supposed to do, instead of cowardly relegating this duty to Brian. There is also no doubt that Pete, despite all shortcomings of his drumming, has played important role in development of early Beatles and this should never been neither forgotten nor underestimated.

What i heard was that Pete could only play one beat and, he wasn't creative like Ringo. Also, Ringo fit in personally. Ringo had a better personality, with his cheeky humor.

Don't think Pete could be the emphasis of Hard Day's Night and Help. They had more than just the music. It clicked with Ringo. Glad to hear Pete made some hefty money from the Anthologies.

What a load of crap. Lots of dancing around the real answer to disguise the fact that John, Paul and George were indeed dissatisfied with Pete's drumming. While it was adequate for the clubs, the three knew full well that he was not good enough to be playing on the records and George Martin's comments just confirmed what they were already feeling. According to John himself, "By then we were pretty sick of Pete Best too because he was a lousy drummer, you know? He never improved and there was always this myth being built up over the years that he was great and Paul was jealous of him because he was pretty and all that crap. The only reason he got in the group in the first place was because the only way we could get to Hamburg was he had to have a drummer." So stop the misinformation dude - you should know better if you wrote a f-king book.

Pete bashed the drums! Ringo played them!