Basically this - the amount of actual work this guy did is very likely negligible. Just sit there "driving revenue" when people are trying to throw money at you. Put this guy on a typical low budget indie game and his work output will be negative, actively destroying your project.
Yep. Reading between the lines there, he is now slapping away offers for other big studios to show them how to screw consumers even harder with predatory in-game sales.
I wish the game and community the best, but I made the jump and sold my account. I don't agree with the direction the project is going, and have lost faith that CIG is following the vision that was sold to the original backers. I didn't back for a survival craft MMO, but a space sim in a living universe.
Exactly they have no idea how to balance or what they want so they're just doing an amusement park. Really the economy of the space simulation failed at day 1 when they sold real money ships as if they were wow epic rides, while telling people they wouldn't lose them permanently, then started telling people they could get stolen. Then made a bunch of systems like that and decided to call it duping, before even making it even work technically. So the end product is that they're just adding amusement park rides into the world as conent as if it was wow
Careful talking about these things on Spectrum. Received a permanent ban for bringing up the layoffs and pointing out that it must suck to crunch and then get laid off immediately afterwards. I posted a link of some inside gaming article and that was the cited reason behind my ban. “Sharing opinionated and hyperbolic articles” according to CIG-Void-Kobold.
They were right. You went there to stir the pot using hyper-sensationalised tabloids. If I were running a company and someone came into the forums to spread lies, I would ban them too.
Ok Carl Jones left. I partially blame him with the predatory and fraudulent marketing strategy. He probably found a place ( or he is looking for one) where they pay more for this kind of expertise. What interests me is now: who is the next COO then?
Even with 8 extra sales this past year funding was still down from 2023 even in nominal terms not counting high inflation. As a consultant image is everything so it's way better for him to be able to get out and say 'everything was going great while I was there'. The fact he's already working with other companies indicates he chose to leave while the leaving was good.
@@porecemusnox8805 Aye to be fair, and also remember folks this is post 2020 funding levels when funding exploded, in general for the prior 8 yrs they had been running just fine on a budget of 10 to 20 million a year and if funding shrank they would just scale back what they were doing to the level the funding allows, it is a model that is hard to kill, for better or worse.
Ah so he was partly responsible for this predatory system? Don't mind him leaving then. Selling items you cant or have no plan to deliver for over 10 years. Guess he is of to advise EA and other publishers on how to be more scummy. Leaving at what probably is the peak of yearly sales so smart guy i guess.
This guy has a a job place guaranteed in amy company he wants, MF convinced people to buy 100k in JPGs and make them believe the game should never have any polish or gameplay He is the giga chad of marketing 😂
That he had to say all this stuff himself, rather than it being part of a CIG press release about his departure sure makes it sound like he was run out.
Good point, usually big companies do press releases to frame the reasons why a leasing person of the C-level management leaves. Did CIG publish one? They are the masters of communication… lol
Back in 2013 Chris put on a masterclass of hubris and delusion by telling the Games Development Conference (GDC) audience that CIG was 400% more efficient with a budget than traditional games developers going through a publisher to retail. Remember that when judging what little they've completed with 0.8 Billion USD as you really should be judging them as having used 3.2 Billion USD according to Chris. They've also repeated numerous claims about 'open development' which is why they keep hiding the fact they keep struggling with databases, iCache, pCache, SSOCS and so forth all 'not working at scale' until usually a year after it happens and they have a shiny new technology to point at as a future solution. Judge them by their own standards and they come out very poorly.
I'm noticing a trend: it feels like everyone you show - saying things CIG would rather players forget - is suddenly leaving to 'explore exciting new opportunities' or 'spend more time with family' or ''. Everyone except Chris that is. :D
The $1 billion seems about right. Through the end of 2024, CIG sources state $931 million in funding. Pledge store sales: $774 million Subscriptions: $33 million (thru end of Dec 2022) Other Income: $65.6 million (thru end of Dec 2022) Outside investments: $63.25 million (minus $4.8 million in givebacks) Add in the missing 2 years of subscriptions and other income and you're probably over $960 million, which is close enough to $1 billion for LinkedIn.
Subscriptions are the only indicator of "real" support for the game, as in, non-gamified system for people that just want to purely support the game's development. Without all of these scummy tactics, that is the level of funding SC would actually have. The real winners here were the outside investors that got a significant chunk of ownership for relatively small money.
So Carl Jones left a corporate position with a good pay at CIG to act as a Freelance advisor for whoever will contact him? Doesn't seem a career upgrade to me: there must be "other" reasons. 🤔
Hey, at least he now has plenty of experience in how a game shouldn't be developed if it's actually supposed to be released one day. That has to be worth something. Perhaps CIG should consider hiring him. 😁
Even with 8 extra sales this year their funding went down by 1% (more like 5% down counting inflation) so he might very well have chosen to call the top and exit while he can still point to how he was able to milk 0.8 Billion over a decade for not delivering more than a broken pre-alpha. It lets him keep his aura of amazingly abusive monetization.
@@RN1441 I can't hold Carl responsible of how the money got wasted: he brought money in, (A LOT!) and that was his job. I think he's a scapegoat for Chris squandering that left a bad mouth in many of those who used to throw cash at him as the "new game messiah". Carl monetization scheme still was less predatory then those of many triple A companies. You can get rid of stuff and buy other stuff back with your credits, no question asked Being responsible with YOUR money never was Carl's job: it was Chris's responsability!
@@Leptospirosi He still chose to stay on for a decade while it's been obvious that CIG has been horribly led and wasting every dollar brought in. I believe he's only leaving now because he thinks this is a good time to get out.
He’s not moving on to an equivalent or better position (vague consulting work, the announcement said). So he could have been asked to resign. Still, you never really know with these things.
He's been there for a decade helping CIG pioneer exploitative monetization models that not even the scummiest of publishers would have dreamt of and the fact he's already working with other companies tells me he's calling the top and getting out while he can point at the 0.8 Billion raised for a broken pre-alpha that's several years late and hemmoraging sold scope. He'd rather point at that as an example of his ability to milk suckers than to talk much about what might come next for CIG.
100% chance this guy was fired and it was not voluntarily leaving. Too much gravy at the CIG gravy train for anyone in this sort of position to "step away" for other "exciting adventures".
Can the people that decided to take out all the high end components, armour and guns from shops, added more gruelling un interesting time syncs, raised the pricee of everything in game to unrealistic levels nerf peiples purchased ships after selling them for reql money and call it balanceing, and make the game harder and way less fun to play in general quit?🙏i really like the server meshing improvements and I know most Devs are working hard but I want to enjoy the game I backed all these years. thank you! Come on CIG! Make the game fun and less like a hard life. I already live that 🙏
They know that once people have all the high end stuff, only then will they realize it was a treadmill all along, and that there is no actual fun "gameplay" to enjoy at the moment. This is also why ToW was sacked quietly - CIG realized that if people could just play with all the toys in a fun environment, no one would grind and buy ships for real $$ in the PU. So sad.
@@mavor101 They didn't sack Theatres of War. Sean Tracey was literally on SCL last time saying they were working on it and it was coming after server meshing. When people just outright lie what good does it do you? How does it help anything you say when we have proof to the contrary? It just deflates anything meaningful you have to say when you start your comment with a lie.
@@Billy-bc8pk .... lol? Going from "TOW in your hands next month" to 4+ years of nothing and you think "they didn't sack TOW"? Bro, you must be pretty deep in the koolaid.
@@mavor101 They literally talk about it every time Sean Tracey is on SCL. Again straight lying just completely ruins your point. He was on SCL a few months ago with Duncan and talked about what work they've been doing on it leading up to the launch of server meshing, as they had to fix the desync, and Duncan has been working on overhauling and refactoring Arena Commander, and doing a lot of backend work with the networking team to bring it more in-line with the performance they needed for ToW. There are still a few more things they need in place before bringing ToW back, but server meshing was the last big hurdle.
@@Billy-bc8pk Bro, if you think just because they talk about something means they are actively developing it, maybe you haven't been here for the last literal decade+ of development? lol
It's amusing how every goodbye letter from ex-CIG employees praises the studio and it's "products" as "innovative." Sure, anyone can have an innovative idea, but until it's fully realized and in people's hands, it doesn't count. Ask anyone about the most innovative companies-or specifically innovative game companies-and CIG wouldn't come to anyone's mind.
@NL0Gwenster let's say, hypothetically, you were fired. The last thing you want to do it to talk bad about your previous employer in public, even if it is justified, because this will have an influence on getting a new job. No one wants to hire a Karen.
@@Camuraldid they publish a press release? For a 1000 people and 1bn company it is normally the case to publish an info if a c-level person quits. For me a bad sign is that he asks on linkedin that people may contact him to pitch their game ideas. So he moves into the „consultant who uses his contacts“-business. Not a cool exit for a person with such a track record.
@@19iason19 If you want to destroy your own game project, just spend 90% of your budget on his consulting fees and implode when you try implementing his "tactics" that only work on a massive once-in-a-generation project led by an extremely recognizable CEO.
@@Camural While I agree with your point, I wasn’t suggesting anyone should say something negative about their previous employer - and understandably, you shouldn’t, even if justified. That said, if I were writing this kind of letter (as I’ve had to in the past), I wouldn’t go out of my way to heap praise on the company either, which many former CIG employees seem to do. I’d keep it short: express gratitude for the opportunity, thank my direct coworkers for their collaboration, and leave it at that. There’s no need to list accomplishments in such a letter - that’s exactly what my LinkedIn profile is for.
@@idnsure. Yes, he is the marathon guy. We all appreciate. But why quit the marathon at kilometer 37 when you have been co-responsible for doing all this great stuff? According to their of narrative it‘s only another one to two years until they have reached the golden milestone, the finish of their historical run: SQ42 and SC 1.0! With his track record he could do a better exit from CIG and join a cool project or a big investor. Instead he asks people on LinkedIN to contact him and pitch their game ideas? Does not make that much sense.
Quite a few that have made redundant from CIG recently, and some very junior staff that have been promoted directly to senior management positions. Carl was beyond useless, and it's appalling that he was kept so long. Suspect the only reason was him being an early 'super fan' of CR. As an example, The new 'Lead Manager - Strategic Operations' has gone from Executive assistant -> Program manager -> current role in 2 years with zero IT, commerce or management education, nor any previous roles with aligned skills. Highly peculiar. They're still hiring vehicle devs and artists, so no doubt Chris is rushing to get a playable product out before he gets into legal trouble whilst cutting down on the wasteful spending.
I think you're misreading the situation. This guy comes from a background of abusive monetization and has helped CIG ramp that up to extremes that traditional publishers never approached. Know how abusive Chris is to his people he probably gave him a mandate to grow sales year over year every year and even with something like 8 extra sales in 2024 he fell short by a percentage point. An alternative reading since he's already working with other companies means that he saw things coming and decided to leave CIG while he still had a halo of success at milking people for extreme amounts of cash for a broken pre-alpha.
This is unfair: Carl brought the cash in and it was his job. It is not his fault that these massive funding was wasted on petty perfectionism, grandiose studios, outlandish furnishing and pointless eye candy by none other then childish Chris Roberts himself. I can say a lot of bad things on CIG and ship selling, but Carl did not made or nerfed those ships, and the credit scheme is, generally, less predatory then what other triple A companies are doing. As far as I cam allowed to get rid of what I pledged and switch back and forward to othef stuff I may like more, I'm relatively fine, espeecially since I stopped giving Chris fresh money. My view of what happened is that funding tanked in 2024, and Chris used Carl as a ascapegoat for the real reasons, rather then facing the ugly true that his developement scheme is losing breath!
@@Leptospirosi "Perfectionism" isn't a valid excuse when it comes to star citizen. Never have they delivered anything but mocked up demos that were well polished. All of their systems, interfaces, gameplay loops, and so forth are placeholders that are to this day undergoing rework. If they were perfectionists they would have finished some things to a high standard at some point in the previous decade. Consider the proper description of what you see with CIG as 'indecisive dithering and flip flopping' as brother, it's not perfectionism.
Back in 2013 Chris bragged at the Game Developers Conference that CIG was 4x more efficient than those dopey traditional developers, so you can't judge them by the 800 million they've spent for the shaky pre-alpha. You have to judge them as though they have spent 3.2 billion according to Chris.
@@RN1441 Didnt spent. This is how much money they got. How much of that is going into pockets and how much into actual development is a question we should ask.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 I meant that they dont' have a cash horde according to their financial filings, they tend to only hold on to a few million in cash and they have big debts to the investors. All the money put in less a few million has been already spent on 'development' and paying dividends to the shareholders (mostly roberts family and investors).
What kind of strategey did he contribute to? Devalue the ships people already bought and thinking now player will be more incentivised to buy MORE ships after having their investments tanked, or treating whales like shit, making the only thing worthwhile in the already pathetic spending reward available to pretty much everyone then nerf it to the ground? Or was the to suck up to content creators non stop while only listening to the shills but sideline the people who actually spend money to pledge for your game? Perhapds it was all of the above and then you wonder "Oh where did the money went? Why is our funding tanking?" And this is not even to address the huge elephant in the room that is how they actually design balance and flesh out the game in the past 4 years, sure I'm not expecting the game to be balanced or bug free during alpha, but CIG has showed their intention and character with their actions in the past few years.
Any senior/core engineers leaving, especially on the meshing/network side, are a *monumental problem* to this game releasing into a polished "v1.0" within the next decade. Guys like this "revenue driver" are a dime a dozen, but lose your core engineers and your project is *screwed*.
Given the fact that they're putting 'senior developers' on camera who don't look like they're old enough to shave tells me that they're still pursuing the thousand monkies at a thousand laptops approach to game dev. Part of why CIGs throughput with 1100 people is far lower than indy companies with a few dozen is that they never built a core of high capability domain experts. We're in year 13 with nearly a billion USD spent and they arguably havne't finished any of their systems.
It's strange again but also typical. He praises CIG to the skies and says everything he has achieved for CIG and yet he still leaves the company? Sorry something is wrong!
It's extremely unprofessional to start bad mouthing the last company you worked for. It could just be as simple as maintaining a positive and professional image.
@stuartthurstan Exactly this. Even if there were problems, and I am not implying this, one would still praise his former employer. Maybe he needs to find a new job, I don't know, but don't make yourself look like you are a Karen. Again, I am not implying Carl Jones was kicked out.
@@stuartthurstan I think he sees how even with 8 extra sales this year they had a funding downturn so he's exiting while riding high. The fact he's already got one foot into new consulting tells me that he wanted to leave with his reputation intact for 'line goes up'. This way he can say 'everything went great while I was in charge'
@@stuartthurstan @the end nobody of us knows it and for Carl Jones it would be better to say nothing. Best devs? What? Best boss?WTF! The best of the best of the best of the...no, it was completely exaggerated and lied to the "outside world". Why should a man in his age leave the company? If the new company is not completely stupid, they will ask him why he left the old company, if everything was the best. Anyway, he are gone and I wish seriously him all the best.
Slowly dying, slowly, but surely, i was at a point, many years, where i dident want it to fail, but honestly, i take my self with evil smiling now, Chris/Cig have been so full of lies and bullshit for so many years now, AND i still cant see, in 2025, how SC will ever turn out to be a working game, with a point, with anything that makes sense. It just feel like they expand an empty and buggy simulator all the time. And the servers and stability ? 😂 ... Its a sinking ship, if i could fire a torpedo to help it sink a bit faster at this point, i probably would.
We know what the remaining 225 odd million comes from.. besides a small portion being investor money, there is also .. subscriptions and merch.. and we know these do account for a chunk of cash and have done so over the years.. So ending up boasting about a cool billion is easy to get to ;)
I think i will start playing Hitman again as its the only way im going to feel like ive got this urge i have out of my system. But its always good to know who to blame for the predative marketimg. I found his linked in quite sad and interesting that he felt he thought his contribution was a good thing. As a backer of 13 years having sold both kidneys in support of this project one we get little thanks for backing im glad hes gone but im not convinced we won't see more of this bs going forward. For me he came over as complete moron in that video and he did nothing to make me feel a valued backer. A very sad state of affairs CIG.
Escape goat? That's what they keep outside the bank they want to rob in Damascus. The word "scapegoat" means someone who can take the blame. But I love the idea of an escape goat.
I don't really love the stuff Carl was talking about, it sounds like he worked with a lot of the negative aspects of the project like FOMO. Can't really judge him without having the full picture, but I don't really see the bad part about him leaving.
Gonna see even more dumb decisions due to him leaving. Watch the prices go up, or the ccu game be changed… we won’t escape unscathed by a new guy coming in
Average tenure for a C-level employee is less than five years. Jones spent 10 at CIG. In business, the only constants are people join and people move on. Get used to it. CIG has problems, but high employee turnover is not one of them.
People move on. It's not a sign of "alarm". CIG is well known for paying basic devs under the market average, so it wouldn't be surprising to learn that it extends to higher positions. Some people want/need more money, or straight up leave companies all the time for whatever reason, it doesn't necessarily indicate anything.
The fact he's talking about already working with other companies sounds like he decided to call the top on funding and get out while he could. Even with 8 extra sales this year the amount he was able to milk out of people for a broken pre-alpha fell by 1%, so he's probably exiting before the real downturn comes - this way he can say 'line went up the whole time I was there, and only fell when I left'.
We all know these employees have much to say but won’t say shit because it’ll damage their reputation in the industry and then no gam company will hire them so of course these employees who got the boot will be totally professional and nice about it. “Professional” when used that way to me really mean “fake”. Think about it. We all have friends who are “professionals” that is not someone who is an expert at their craft but someone who conducts themselves in a corporate /service providing way. For example we don’t talk during work like we are at the local pub with mates. No instead we use words like “sir” and smile at everyone. But as soon as the customer leaves the professional goes back to being their normal selves. So in essence being professional is basically a facade. So ignore all the “professional” bullshit these guys are saying about being laid off… it’s most likely not how they really feel. With that said I can now move on to my main point. These poor chaps don’t have a platform to ever speak about the industry. Nope not until they’re retired. So if you think about it Camural is doing a great service to these guys. He’s helping by doing the announcing for them and not letting these chaps walk that dusty road unnoticed. They can’t say shit about their dismissal but we sure can! May Camural be their voice. Heck you could create a RUclips channel called “CIG Human Resources” and do nothing but make videos about every developer in CIG, who is still with CIG, their contract term(hard to dig up but if you do then that will be pure gold because then you will know if they get dismissed earlier than their contract term (and I’m sure there’s fine print on the context for early termination/premature dismissal. Etc so it’s not a breach of contract). As long as you keep it civil I think the devs will appreciate this channel and some will fear it. Just as SaltEMike watches CIG development like a hawk keeping CIG on their toes when it comes to development PROGRESS, you can be the streamer who watches the developers treatment. I’m a programmer. C++ with unreal engine but im an amateur. However I’ve been in the development world for 20 years and the one thing you will see more than anything on our threads is how bad we are treated. We get no gratification for our work because no one knows how much effort we put into it. We are underpaid and companies like to pretend we are expendable. But they always learn the hard way that finding good coders is very difficult. We aren’t exactly dime a dozen. Coders get paid well at most companies but that high pay comes with a lot of stress and ridiculous deadlines. I want to conclude that some devs are not upset at all about the dismissal. They worked to their contracts expiration date and loved every minute of it. CIG on a resume will land you and job in game dev. So not all are leaving unhappy or maybe none at all. But we don’t know that hence the need for CIG Human Resource RUclips channel. We are the patrons of this development so essentially we are the Board Members who should have a say in the decision process but we don’t. So this is the next best way to get our foot in the door and say “no I don’t think so. You’re not keeping us in the dark so we’re going to be extra nosey and pushy when it comes to finding out what the heck is going on”. It’s our money that made this experiment possible so we shouldn’t just sit on the sidelines and watch. No we should be a bit more proactive and question everything decision CIG makes. Sorry for the long comment, but love this channel and that’s just how I feel. See you in the verse.
This guy is marketing himself like he is Chris Roberts.... no wait.... like he is the whole company himself 🤣 And this guy helped to create the most predatory money system of all games. Better stay away from game / company he works for.
That level of position is 1.) Paid very well 2.) Not one you leave so easily. The fact he left and is going freelance instead of position at a different company makes me think this was less thought out leaving and more he was eithier push out or saw he needed to leave asap
He's the top money milking man. He was down 1% this year even with 8 extra sales and neglecting inflation and can see the crashing new account numbers the past two years. The fact he's already working with new companies tells me he chose to move on so regardless of what comes next for CIG he can point at his time there and say 'it was going great while I worked there'.
Yeah stay away off of Spectrum, it's a tarnish of a joke, I wont spend anymore money on the game, after my account was suspended for "threats of violence" saying the weapon developer in charge of weapon balance should be "slapped with a wet towel and paid less", after my account was unsuspended, I went onto the concierge chat, and asked everyone if they thought that was a fair comparison to "threats of violence" in which case I was immediately banned. Nightrider is a menace.
Obviously they already got your money and really couldn't care less about banning you because you have no platform on which to speak out against anything they do. Half the point of spectrum is to keep the conversation in a location where their devs have full control over banning/cancelling people... I honestly don't understand why people bother doing anything there.
Well considering how the work flow has been over the past decade its about time they cleaned house at the top positions and put people their that want to see the game progress.
But he was among the best at marketing. CIG has delivered zero games over 12+ years and has used a broken pre-alpha to milk nearly a billion dollars out of suckers. His job isn't to make sure the hundred plus million a year is well spent, his job is to ensure that the milking machine storefront delivers. He already has new clients so he likely stepped out due to the downturn in 2024 (8 extra sales relative to 2023 yet down a percentage point, and new accounts down 30+% and 20+% the last two years for a clear trend in future funding). This way he can point and say that things were great while he was in charge regardless of what happens next with CIG.
@@RN1441So, all of your comments are the iteration of the same 1.5 half-baked opinions? :D Are you bored of your life? Maybe you want to move on and find another job.
nightrider deleted yet another bunch of my comments and is eventually going to get cig sued. They do nothing about the abusive attacks against me, but deletes my posts that are defending myself from them. They are promoting abusive behavior from some and punishing those who stand up for themselves. I am now saying that I truly think that nightrider is a cuck.
Carl Jones' LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/carl-jones-0698789/
This is bad
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😅😅😅😅😂
This is why I don't really look into spectrum.
😂😂 I don't use the forums, haven't for years literally because of this type of thing, you cant even crack a joke at CIG's expense.
Ahahaha good ole cockrider..
Seems like making room for Sandi to come back.
"Hi, I made a 6 or 7 figure income for attending meetings where I told people how to farm gamers. Now I do it from my home office."
Basically this - the amount of actual work this guy did is very likely negligible. Just sit there "driving revenue" when people are trying to throw money at you. Put this guy on a typical low budget indie game and his work output will be negative, actively destroying your project.
Somebody had to make space for the stalking strangler.
Yep. Reading between the lines there, he is now slapping away offers for other big studios to show them how to screw consumers even harder with predatory in-game sales.
I wish the game and community the best, but I made the jump and sold my account. I don't agree with the direction the project is going, and have lost faith that CIG is following the vision that was sold to the original backers. I didn't back for a survival craft MMO, but a space sim in a living universe.
You most likely did well by selling.
how did you sell your account? if you don't mind me asking. since master modes this game just ... well it just sucks these days.
Lucky you. If I could get more back than 25% of my accounts
Exactly they have no idea how to balance or what they want so they're just doing an amusement park. Really the economy of the space simulation failed at day 1 when they sold real money ships as if they were wow epic rides, while telling people they wouldn't lose them permanently, then started telling people they could get stolen. Then made a bunch of systems like that and decided to call it duping, before even making it even work technically.
So the end product is that they're just adding amusement park rides into the world as conent as if it was wow
I wish I could sell my account for a reasonable return but impossible.
You were wise to get out.
Careful talking about these things on Spectrum. Received a permanent ban for bringing up the layoffs and pointing out that it must suck to crunch and then get laid off immediately afterwards. I posted a link of some inside gaming article and that was the cited reason behind my ban. “Sharing opinionated and hyperbolic articles” according to CIG-Void-Kobold.
They were right. You went there to stir the pot using hyper-sensationalised tabloids. If I were running a company and someone came into the forums to spread lies, I would ban them too.
Ok Carl Jones left. I partially blame him with the predatory and fraudulent marketing strategy. He probably found a place ( or he is looking for one) where they pay more for this kind of expertise. What interests me is now: who is the next COO then?
Even with 8 extra sales this past year funding was still down from 2023 even in nominal terms not counting high inflation. As a consultant image is everything so it's way better for him to be able to get out and say 'everything was going great while I was there'. The fact he's already working with other companies indicates he chose to leave while the leaving was good.
The stalking Strangler
@@heru_ur6017 Down for less than 1% after a truly record shattering year - which isn't as bad as people want to present.
@@porecemusnox8805 Aye to be fair, and also remember folks this is post 2020 funding levels when funding exploded, in general for the prior 8 yrs they had been running just fine on a budget of 10 to 20 million a year and if funding shrank they would just scale back what they were doing to the level the funding allows, it is a model that is hard to kill, for better or worse.
@@Nine-Signs Yeah, they still sit on mountains of cash as well, its not like they were losing money even before.
- rodent
- vessel
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A shortfall of 5 million equals layoffs. I'm surprised it's only been 20 or so and not around 80-100
Ah so he was partly responsible for this predatory system? Don't mind him leaving then. Selling items you cant or have no plan to deliver for over 10 years. Guess he is of to advise EA and other publishers on how to be more scummy. Leaving at what probably is the peak of yearly sales so smart guy i guess.
Don’t worry, CR’s wife is also responsible for designing this system and she’s coming back as an active member of the team. Nepotism is awesome
Another one bites the dust
This guy has a a job place guaranteed in amy company he wants, MF convinced people to buy 100k in JPGs and make them believe the game should never have any polish or gameplay
He is the giga chad of marketing 😂
He'd make a good politician
Along with Sandi.
best comment conversation 😂 screw this two demons.
That he had to say all this stuff himself, rather than it being part of a CIG press release about his departure sure makes it sound like he was run out.
Good point, usually big companies do press releases to frame the reasons why a leasing person of the C-level management leaves. Did CIG publish one? They are the masters of communication… lol
"detractors"
anyone with working eyes and brain
i miss the old hud
Yeah, me too big time.
Considering all the regressive changes lately any of the older team members leaving is a bad sign.
"Disrupt the games industry." Heh.
Back in 2013 Chris put on a masterclass of hubris and delusion by telling the Games Development Conference (GDC) audience that CIG was 400% more efficient with a budget than traditional games developers going through a publisher to retail. Remember that when judging what little they've completed with 0.8 Billion USD as you really should be judging them as having used 3.2 Billion USD according to Chris. They've also repeated numerous claims about 'open development' which is why they keep hiding the fact they keep struggling with databases, iCache, pCache, SSOCS and so forth all 'not working at scale' until usually a year after it happens and they have a shiny new technology to point at as a future solution. Judge them by their own standards and they come out very poorly.
It seems rats leaving the sinking ship
I'm noticing a trend: it feels like everyone you show - saying things CIG would rather players forget - is suddenly leaving to 'explore exciting new opportunities' or 'spend more time with family' or ''. Everyone except Chris that is. :D
The $1 billion seems about right. Through the end of 2024, CIG sources state $931 million in funding.
Pledge store sales: $774 million
Subscriptions: $33 million (thru end of Dec 2022)
Other Income: $65.6 million (thru end of Dec 2022)
Outside investments: $63.25 million (minus $4.8 million in givebacks)
Add in the missing 2 years of subscriptions and other income and you're probably over $960 million, which is close enough to $1 billion for LinkedIn.
Subscriptions are the only indicator of "real" support for the game, as in, non-gamified system for people that just want to purely support the game's development.
Without all of these scummy tactics, that is the level of funding SC would actually have.
The real winners here were the outside investors that got a significant chunk of ownership for relatively small money.
So Carl Jones left a corporate position with a good pay at CIG to act as a Freelance advisor for whoever will contact him?
Doesn't seem a career upgrade to me: there must be "other" reasons. 🤔
Hey, at least he now has plenty of experience in how a game shouldn't be developed if it's actually supposed to be released one day. That has to be worth something. Perhaps CIG should consider hiring him. 😁
Even with 8 extra sales this year their funding went down by 1% (more like 5% down counting inflation) so he might very well have chosen to call the top and exit while he can still point to how he was able to milk 0.8 Billion over a decade for not delivering more than a broken pre-alpha. It lets him keep his aura of amazingly abusive monetization.
@@RN1441 I can't hold Carl responsible of how the money got wasted: he brought money in, (A LOT!) and that was his job.
I think he's a scapegoat for Chris squandering that left a bad mouth in many of those who used to throw cash at him as the "new game messiah".
Carl monetization scheme still was less predatory then those of many triple A companies. You can get rid of stuff and buy other stuff back with your credits, no question asked
Being responsible with YOUR money never was Carl's job: it was Chris's responsability!
@@Leptospirosi Predatory marketing and scams should be allowed generally, and for all age groups, because "just be responsible with your money".
@@Leptospirosi He still chose to stay on for a decade while it's been obvious that CIG has been horribly led and wasting every dollar brought in. I believe he's only leaving now because he thinks this is a good time to get out.
So, the boat is sinking and the ones at the bridge jumped first but tell everyone else the ship is still fine.
Eh, it's just another suit, maybe he was getting too expensive. If Rich Tyrer leaves the company THEN we can ring the alarm bells.
He’s not moving on to an equivalent or better position (vague consulting work, the announcement said). So he could have been asked to resign. Still, you never really know with these things.
He's been there for a decade helping CIG pioneer exploitative monetization models that not even the scummiest of publishers would have dreamt of and the fact he's already working with other companies tells me he's calling the top and getting out while he can point at the 0.8 Billion raised for a broken pre-alpha that's several years late and hemmoraging sold scope. He'd rather point at that as an example of his ability to milk suckers than to talk much about what might come next for CIG.
A brilliant plan!
100% chance this guy was fired and it was not voluntarily leaving. Too much gravy at the CIG gravy train for anyone in this sort of position to "step away" for other "exciting adventures".
Can the people that decided to take out all the high end components, armour and guns from shops, added more gruelling un interesting time syncs, raised the pricee of everything in game to unrealistic levels nerf peiples purchased ships after selling them for reql money and call it balanceing, and make the game harder and way less fun to play in general quit?🙏i really like the server meshing improvements and I know most Devs are working hard but I want to enjoy the game I backed all these years. thank you! Come on CIG! Make the game fun and less like a hard life. I already live that 🙏
They know that once people have all the high end stuff, only then will they realize it was a treadmill all along, and that there is no actual fun "gameplay" to enjoy at the moment. This is also why ToW was sacked quietly - CIG realized that if people could just play with all the toys in a fun environment, no one would grind and buy ships for real $$ in the PU. So sad.
@@mavor101 They didn't sack Theatres of War. Sean Tracey was literally on SCL last time saying they were working on it and it was coming after server meshing. When people just outright lie what good does it do you? How does it help anything you say when we have proof to the contrary? It just deflates anything meaningful you have to say when you start your comment with a lie.
@@Billy-bc8pk .... lol?
Going from "TOW in your hands next month" to 4+ years of nothing and you think "they didn't sack TOW"? Bro, you must be pretty deep in the koolaid.
@@mavor101 They literally talk about it every time Sean Tracey is on SCL. Again straight lying just completely ruins your point. He was on SCL a few months ago with Duncan and talked about what work they've been doing on it leading up to the launch of server meshing, as they had to fix the desync, and Duncan has been working on overhauling and refactoring Arena Commander, and doing a lot of backend work with the networking team to bring it more in-line with the performance they needed for ToW. There are still a few more things they need in place before bringing ToW back, but server meshing was the last big hurdle.
@@Billy-bc8pk Bro, if you think just because they talk about something means they are actively developing it, maybe you haven't been here for the last literal decade+ of development? lol
It's amusing how every goodbye letter from ex-CIG employees praises the studio and it's "products" as "innovative." Sure, anyone can have an innovative idea, but until it's fully realized and in people's hands, it doesn't count. Ask anyone about the most innovative companies-or specifically innovative game companies-and CIG wouldn't come to anyone's mind.
@NL0Gwenster let's say, hypothetically, you were fired.
The last thing you want to do it to talk bad about your previous employer in public, even if it is justified, because this will have an influence on getting a new job.
No one wants to hire a Karen.
@@Camuraldid they publish a press release? For a 1000 people and 1bn company it is normally the case to publish an info if a c-level person quits.
For me a bad sign is that he asks on linkedin that people may contact him to pitch their game ideas. So he moves into the „consultant who uses his contacts“-business. Not a cool exit for a person with such a track record.
@@19iason19 If you want to destroy your own game project, just spend 90% of your budget on his consulting fees and implode when you try implementing his "tactics" that only work on a massive once-in-a-generation project led by an extremely recognizable CEO.
@@Camural While I agree with your point, I wasn’t suggesting anyone should say something negative about their previous employer - and understandably, you shouldn’t, even if justified. That said, if I were writing this kind of letter (as I’ve had to in the past), I wouldn’t go out of my way to heap praise on the company either, which many former CIG employees seem to do.
I’d keep it short: express gratitude for the opportunity, thank my direct coworkers for their collaboration, and leave it at that. There’s no need to list accomplishments in such a letter - that’s exactly what my LinkedIn profile is for.
Hmm... IS CIG folding? I still think roberts thinks he is going to make a movie.
🤣🤣🤣
He’s been larping as George Lucas since the start. The SC is just a means to an end (the SQ42 Trilogy)
Not even close to folding. Dude worked there for 10 years. Most people stay at the same place for work for 3.9 years on average.
@@idnsure. Yes, he is the marathon guy. We all appreciate. But why quit the marathon at kilometer 37 when you have been co-responsible for doing all this great stuff? According to their of narrative it‘s only another one to two years until they have reached the golden milestone, the finish of their historical run: SQ42 and SC 1.0!
With his track record he could do a better exit from CIG and join a cool project or a big investor. Instead he asks people on LinkedIN to contact him and pitch their game ideas? Does not make that much sense.
Quite a few that have made redundant from CIG recently, and some very junior staff that have been promoted directly to senior management positions. Carl was beyond useless, and it's appalling that he was kept so long. Suspect the only reason was him being an early 'super fan' of CR.
As an example, The new 'Lead Manager - Strategic Operations' has gone from Executive assistant -> Program manager -> current role in 2 years with zero IT, commerce or management education, nor any previous roles with aligned skills. Highly peculiar.
They're still hiring vehicle devs and artists, so no doubt Chris is rushing to get a playable product out before he gets into legal trouble whilst cutting down on the wasteful spending.
I think you're misreading the situation. This guy comes from a background of abusive monetization and has helped CIG ramp that up to extremes that traditional publishers never approached. Know how abusive Chris is to his people he probably gave him a mandate to grow sales year over year every year and even with something like 8 extra sales in 2024 he fell short by a percentage point. An alternative reading since he's already working with other companies means that he saw things coming and decided to leave CIG while he still had a halo of success at milking people for extreme amounts of cash for a broken pre-alpha.
This is unfair: Carl brought the cash in and it was his job. It is not his fault that these massive funding was wasted on petty perfectionism, grandiose studios, outlandish furnishing and pointless eye candy by none other then childish Chris Roberts himself.
I can say a lot of bad things on CIG and ship selling, but Carl did not made or nerfed those ships, and the credit scheme is, generally, less predatory then what other triple A companies are doing. As far as I cam allowed to get rid of what I pledged and switch back and forward to othef stuff I may like more, I'm relatively fine, espeecially since I stopped giving Chris fresh money.
My view of what happened is that funding tanked in 2024, and Chris used Carl as a ascapegoat for the real reasons, rather then facing the ugly true that his developement scheme is losing breath!
@@Leptospirosi "Perfectionism" isn't a valid excuse when it comes to star citizen. Never have they delivered anything but mocked up demos that were well polished. All of their systems, interfaces, gameplay loops, and so forth are placeholders that are to this day undergoing rework. If they were perfectionists they would have finished some things to a high standard at some point in the previous decade. Consider the proper description of what you see with CIG as 'indecisive dithering and flip flopping' as brother, it's not perfectionism.
@@RN1441 do youunderstand the meaning of "Petty Perfectionism"?
@@RN1441 Copy paste No3.
the issue is not how to get the money but how to spend it
Back in 2013 Chris bragged at the Game Developers Conference that CIG was 4x more efficient than those dopey traditional developers, so you can't judge them by the 800 million they've spent for the shaky pre-alpha. You have to judge them as though they have spent 3.2 billion according to Chris.
@@RN1441 Didnt spent. This is how much money they got. How much of that is going into pockets and how much into actual development is a question we should ask.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 I meant that they dont' have a cash horde according to their financial filings, they tend to only hold on to a few million in cash and they have big debts to the investors. All the money put in less a few million has been already spent on 'development' and paying dividends to the shareholders (mostly roberts family and investors).
The small chuckle at the CCU community lol
The fact that he considers it a "gamified" feature is.. telling
Aw sheet....looks like they pegged us with jpegs and ran 😂
you will see a lot more of this over the next year as the ship starts to more noticeably sink
What kind of strategey did he contribute to? Devalue the ships people already bought and thinking now player will be more incentivised to buy MORE ships after having their investments tanked, or treating whales like shit, making the only thing worthwhile in the already pathetic spending reward available to pretty much everyone then nerf it to the ground? Or was the to suck up to content creators non stop while only listening to the shills but sideline the people who actually spend money to pledge for your game? Perhapds it was all of the above and then you wonder "Oh where did the money went? Why is our funding tanking?"
And this is not even to address the huge elephant in the room that is how they actually design balance and flesh out the game in the past 4 years, sure I'm not expecting the game to be balanced or bug free during alpha, but CIG has showed their intention and character with their actions in the past few years.
I suspect that they're all retiring after a lifetime of working on this game's development.
Ubisoft/EA will hire him in a second.
That is if Ubisoft still exists by the end of the year lol.
Cue the Rick Grimes
So the lead back end / meshing guy left and now this guy in short order.
Any senior/core engineers leaving, especially on the meshing/network side, are a *monumental problem* to this game releasing into a polished "v1.0" within the next decade. Guys like this "revenue driver" are a dime a dozen, but lose your core engineers and your project is *screwed*.
Cutting lots of fat at CIG, is this really bad or are these folks way more ineffective than we thought and they're trimming the right people out?
Given the fact that they're putting 'senior developers' on camera who don't look like they're old enough to shave tells me that they're still pursuing the thousand monkies at a thousand laptops approach to game dev. Part of why CIGs throughput with 1100 people is far lower than indy companies with a few dozen is that they never built a core of high capability domain experts. We're in year 13 with nearly a billion USD spent and they arguably havne't finished any of their systems.
It will be a good thing person that still wants mandatory eating, drinking, and space potty leave.
Also Yogi.
Way more ineffective than we thought. This guy literally could do nothing and people would still be throwing money at their virtual ships.
its a smart move
"surprise and disrupt the games industry" - by not having a MVP after 12 years? I bet the industry is quaking in its boots.
Interesting. Maybe the timing is a coincidence or somehow related to the downsizing back in December.
Strategy: raise a billion dollars, spend 13 years, deliver 0/2 games.
good, hes the reason the marketing team had basically free rein and single handily created this awful system we have now
Oh booi , you're in for a treat once the stalking strangler takes over.
Sssshhhhh....
Everything is fine.....
Relax.....
(A Chris reaches into your pocket)
Everything is going to be fine.....
$1 billion? Why isnt this reflected on the Funding tracker? How much "investment" money came in and how much are they directing the games direction...
After all the bogus marketing and sneaky cash grabs CIG is probably better off without this disingenuous dead weight.
So thats the face of "marketing"
ruclips.net/video/9h9wStdPkQY/видео.htmlsi=YrIhQBFbLLuZIcXJ
It's strange again but also typical. He praises CIG to the skies and says everything he has achieved for CIG and yet he still leaves the company? Sorry something is wrong!
It's extremely unprofessional to start bad mouthing the last company you worked for. It could just be as simple as maintaining a positive and professional image.
@stuartthurstan Exactly this. Even if there were problems, and I am not implying this, one would still praise his former employer.
Maybe he needs to find a new job, I don't know, but don't make yourself look like you are a Karen.
Again, I am not implying Carl Jones was kicked out.
@@stuartthurstan I think he sees how even with 8 extra sales this year they had a funding downturn so he's exiting while riding high. The fact he's already got one foot into new consulting tells me that he wanted to leave with his reputation intact for 'line goes up'. This way he can say 'everything went great while I was in charge'
@@RN1441 Could you explain the funding downturn?
@@stuartthurstan @the end nobody of us knows it and for Carl Jones it would be better to say nothing. Best devs? What? Best boss?WTF! The best of the best of the best of the...no, it was completely exaggerated and lied to the "outside world". Why should a man in his age leave the company? If the new company is not completely stupid, they will ask him why he left the old company, if everything was the best. Anyway, he are gone and I wish seriously him all the best.
Bye Felicia
Slowly dying, slowly, but surely, i was at a point, many years, where i dident want it to fail, but honestly, i take my self with evil smiling now, Chris/Cig have been so full of lies and bullshit for so many years now, AND i still cant see, in 2025, how SC will ever turn out to be a working game, with a point, with anything that makes sense. It just feel like they expand an empty and buggy simulator all the time. And the servers and stability ? 😂 ... Its a sinking ship, if i could fire a torpedo to help it sink a bit faster at this point, i probably would.
there isnt really any justice unless CR ends up a hobo that people refuse to give change.
Innovative jpgs
Bye Carl.
eventually all people who actualy love gaming in this company will leave because the core of CIG is not gaming, is pure money
We know what the remaining 225 odd million comes from.. besides a small portion being investor money, there is also .. subscriptions and merch.. and we know these do account for a chunk of cash and have done so over the years..
So ending up boasting about a cool billion is easy to get to ;)
Actually the 1Billion came from me
Glad he is moving on from a dead end job and project
I think i will start playing Hitman again as its the only way im going to feel like ive got this urge i have out of my system.
But its always good to know who to blame for the predative marketimg.
I found his linked in quite sad and interesting that he felt he thought his contribution was a good thing.
As a backer of 13 years having sold both kidneys in support of this project one we get little thanks for backing im glad hes gone but im not convinced we won't see more of this bs going forward.
For me he came over as complete moron in that video and he did nothing to make me feel a valued backer.
A very sad state of affairs CIG.
Rats abandoning the ship...
😂😂😂😂😂😂 the ending clip
is has been fired as an escape goat. if he hads left he would have found another job already before leaving.
Escape goat? That's what they keep outside the bank they want to rob in Damascus. The word "scapegoat" means someone who can take the blame. But I love the idea of an escape goat.
running out of amock
@@poposterous236''You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky'' -Michael Scott
I don't really love the stuff Carl was talking about, it sounds like he worked with a lot of the negative aspects of the project like FOMO. Can't really judge him without having the full picture, but I don't really see the bad part about him leaving.
Gonna see even more dumb decisions due to him leaving. Watch the prices go up, or the ccu game be changed… we won’t escape unscathed by a new guy coming in
I think they are all getting old and retiring
Average tenure for a C-level employee is less than five years. Jones spent 10 at CIG. In business, the only constants are people join and people move on. Get used to it. CIG has problems, but high employee turnover is not one of them.
Where is the fuckin final product?!
People move on. It's not a sign of "alarm". CIG is well known for paying basic devs under the market average, so it wouldn't be surprising to learn that it extends to higher positions. Some people want/need more money, or straight up leave companies all the time for whatever reason, it doesn't necessarily indicate anything.
It always indicates something. There's always a trigger of one kind or another.
This guy probably didn’t do crap but collect a paycheck
You could argue that this guy was exceptionally good at what he did, i.e. bring in money for CIG.
The fact he's talking about already working with other companies sounds like he decided to call the top on funding and get out while he could. Even with 8 extra sales this year the amount he was able to milk out of people for a broken pre-alpha fell by 1%, so he's probably exiting before the real downturn comes - this way he can say 'line went up the whole time I was there, and only fell when I left'.
@@RN1441 Copy paste No4.
@@porecemusnox8805yuuuup. Don’t worry they’re all from the same Reddit group lmao. Weird bulk of clowns 😂
We all know these employees have much to say but won’t say shit because it’ll damage their reputation in the industry and then no gam company will hire them so of course these employees who got the boot will be totally professional and nice about it. “Professional” when used that way to me really mean “fake”. Think about it. We all have friends who are “professionals” that is not someone who is an expert at their craft but someone who conducts themselves in a corporate /service providing way. For example we don’t talk during work like we are at the local pub with mates. No instead we use words like “sir” and smile at everyone. But as soon as the customer leaves the professional goes back to being their normal selves. So in essence being professional is basically a facade. So ignore all the “professional” bullshit these guys are saying about being laid off… it’s most likely not how they really feel.
With that said I can now move on to my main point. These poor chaps don’t have a platform to ever speak about the industry. Nope not until they’re retired. So if you think about it Camural is doing a great service to these guys. He’s helping by doing the announcing for them and not letting these chaps walk that dusty road unnoticed. They can’t say shit about their dismissal but we sure can!
May Camural be their voice. Heck you could create a RUclips channel called “CIG Human Resources” and do nothing but make videos about every developer in CIG, who is still with CIG, their contract term(hard to dig up but if you do then that will be pure gold because then you will know if they get dismissed earlier than their contract term (and I’m sure there’s fine print on the context for early termination/premature dismissal. Etc so it’s not a breach of contract).
As long as you keep it civil I think the devs will appreciate this channel and some will fear it.
Just as SaltEMike watches CIG development like a hawk keeping CIG on their toes when it comes to development PROGRESS, you can be the streamer who watches the developers treatment.
I’m a programmer. C++ with unreal engine but im an amateur. However I’ve been in the development world for 20 years and the one thing you will see more than anything on our threads is how bad we are treated. We get no gratification for our work because no one knows how much effort we put into it. We are underpaid and companies like to pretend we are expendable. But they always learn the hard way that finding good coders is very difficult. We aren’t exactly dime a dozen. Coders get paid well at most companies but that high pay comes with a lot of stress and ridiculous deadlines.
I want to conclude that some devs are not upset at all about the dismissal. They worked to their contracts expiration date and loved every minute of it. CIG on a resume will land you and job in game dev. So not all are leaving unhappy or maybe none at all. But we don’t know that hence the need for CIG Human Resource RUclips channel.
We are the patrons of this development so essentially we are the Board Members who should have a say in the decision process but we don’t. So this is the next best way to get our foot in the door and say “no I don’t think so. You’re not keeping us in the dark so we’re going to be extra nosey and pushy when it comes to finding out what the heck is going on”. It’s our money that made this experiment possible so we shouldn’t just sit on the sidelines and watch. No we should be a bit more proactive and question everything decision CIG makes.
Sorry for the long comment, but love this channel and that’s just how I feel.
See you in the verse.
This guy is marketing himself like he is Chris Roberts.... no wait.... like he is the whole company himself 🤣
And this guy helped to create the most predatory money system of all games. Better stay away from game / company he works for.
That level of position is 1.) Paid very well 2.) Not one you leave so easily. The fact he left and is going freelance instead of position at a different company makes me think this was less thought out leaving and more he was eithier push out or saw he needed to leave asap
He's the top money milking man. He was down 1% this year even with 8 extra sales and neglecting inflation and can see the crashing new account numbers the past two years. The fact he's already working with new companies tells me he chose to move on so regardless of what comes next for CIG he can point at his time there and say 'it was going great while I worked there'.
@@RN1441 Are you just copy pasting your comment over and over again? Sad.
@@porecemusnox8805I’m glad I’m not the only one noticing what’s going on lol. These guys are weird
1000% he was pushed out.
CIG: THIS IS FINE o.o 🔥🔥
Yeah stay away off of Spectrum, it's a tarnish of a joke, I wont spend anymore money on the game, after my account was suspended for "threats of violence" saying the weapon developer in charge of weapon balance should be "slapped with a wet towel and paid less", after my account was unsuspended, I went onto the concierge chat, and asked everyone if they thought that was a fair comparison to "threats of violence" in which case I was immediately banned.
Nightrider is a menace.
Obviously they already got your money and really couldn't care less about banning you because you have no platform on which to speak out against anything they do. Half the point of spectrum is to keep the conversation in a location where their devs have full control over banning/cancelling people... I honestly don't understand why people bother doing anything there.
If you're new don't buy star citizen, it's a griefers paradise that's void of content and buggy as hell.
i give SC 2 years and then it will be done... just my opinion LOL
Oh no another person who achieved nothing has left? Well apart from hideous macrotransactions 🎉
This company is a total shit show, did they also not realize that Crytek was a failure?
Well considering how the work flow has been over the past decade its about time they cleaned house at the top positions and put people their that want to see the game progress.
Lot of cope in the comments
cultists are the ones coping
The creator of the store front… what a legacy and not in a good way. He created the scam as we know it and never made any gameplay in his entire time.
Does anyone here work for a company that employs more than a few people? Employees come and go and the caravan moves on.
he worked with the best people in th industry.....good joke.
this game is pure trash after 12 years. no content ,terrible tech
But he was among the best at marketing. CIG has delivered zero games over 12+ years and has used a broken pre-alpha to milk nearly a billion dollars out of suckers. His job isn't to make sure the hundred plus million a year is well spent, his job is to ensure that the milking machine storefront delivers. He already has new clients so he likely stepped out due to the downturn in 2024 (8 extra sales relative to 2023 yet down a percentage point, and new accounts down 30+% and 20+% the last two years for a clear trend in future funding). This way he can point and say that things were great while he was in charge regardless of what happens next with CIG.
@@RN1441So, all of your comments are the iteration of the same 1.5 half-baked opinions? :D Are you bored of your life? Maybe you want to move on and find another job.
@@RN1441 Iteration may be far fetched. Copy pastes ... .
nightrider deleted yet another bunch of my comments and is eventually going to get cig sued. They do nothing about the abusive attacks against me, but deletes my posts that are defending myself from them. They are promoting abusive behavior from some and punishing those who stand up for themselves. I am now saying that I truly think that nightrider is a cuck.