What is the Canon Path in Epic Mickey?
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- What is the CANON Path in Epic Mickey? A question that I have heard a few times before. Now it's finally time to answer it, but it might not be as simple as you might think...
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Mickey ordering a hit on his phone being canon is fucking hilarious
Well at least him and moody ended up recovering, it’s also possible Prescott was already fed up with the phone and decided to destroy it even after Mickey decided to do the right thing since he is one of the outliers of the Gremlin race, meaning he might do something like that on his own.
They wanted to stay true to the brand
Usually you'd order a hit on your phone, but mickey just inked different- he order a hit ON his phone.
Mickey: Smartphones are better. Destroy it.
9 year old me is loving this. I like this idea a lot, always love to piece canon paths together in games like this. I think this works quite well, especially since the Thinner “bad” choices made sense plot wise and are relatively explainable:
-Clock Tower: Mickey is still new to Wasteland. He’s still scared and confused about his surroundings. He doesn’t realize the potential of paint yet, so when the enormous, psychotic clock robot wants to kill him, Mickey chooses thinner out of fear for his own life, something he knows will destroy the tower.
-Moody: I think simply, this was an accident. Mickey, mischievous as he is, would take an easy solution like Thinner without a second thought. He looks pretty unaware to Moody being there in the loading screen art. I think this works character development wise too. We know Mickey isn’t a stranger to using the brush like a toy to awful consequences, so something like this would really compel Mickey to respect the power of Thinner and to use it only when necessary. Also it’s hilarious to think such a blatant “bad” choice is canon
-Telephone: I feel either Mickey didnt understand what Prescott meant by “getting his wrench back” and unknowingly gave him permission to take it by force, or he saw through Prescott’s threat and denied him entry, but later, after Mickey left Wasteland, Prescott went back and tore the telephone apart on his own. It would explain why Gus “never hears the whole story” and why Mickey wouldn’t know. Prescott did it after Mickey and Gus left him be. Plus, this definitely feels like something EM2 Prescott would do
-Skull Island: ignore/jam is definitely non canon. I’d say Paint would be canon solely cause I feel the dialogue in EM2 implies more pirates are out there than we see, and also, it would fit better narratively. The last time Mickey jumped to using thinner to solve a problem, he made a safe fall on an innocent pirate, greatly injuring him, so I think Mickey as a character would trust that Paint would save the pirates and get it done right.
-Hook: I would imagine, as hard as we have to squint, the “Thinner/Free Sprite” path is canon. Knowing Hook is missing in EM2, the Paint path is very unlikely to be canon. Otherwise, I feel Hook would still be around, plus Pete Pan would still be busy fighting Hook up until Mickey returns to Wasteland. Knowing neither is the case tells me Mickey defeated him, disassembling him on board the ship so his clothes are recoverable.
-Pipe Organ: I’ll have to see it in its entirety, but I took Rolly’s dialogue as taking place when the Pipe Organ initially forced the ghosts out of the manor before Mickey arrived, not Mickey further enraging him. I can’t speak for whether or not fixing/enraging the Pipe Organ is canon tho. I’d assume fix?
As for some other stuff:
-I’d say side quests like Ortensia’s Locket are super subjective in which path you take and we can’t really nail down either or. They have little bearing on the plot or events in EM2, so it’s pretty personal. My guess, most of them are Paint, since many of those choices are very cut and dry. Examples being give the grieving toon his dead wife’s locket back or keep it for yourself/sell it for a measly profit. Knowing who Mickey is in the sequel, it’s pretty unlikely he does Thinner in most/all of these.
-Given that he’s allowed to work on the projectors, I’d imagine Mickey canonically found Small Pete’s ship log, but I have a feeling he held a grudge of some sort. Knowing he’s willing to help whatever plan the Pete’s were plotting in the cliffhanger, I think it’s either Small Pete never truly befriended the Gremlins, or he did, but soon had a falling out with them. Perhaps they accused him of sabotaging the projectors?
-I think Mad Doctor fight can go both ways, but I feel Thinner is a little more likely to be canon, solely cause I feel Mickey saved all the Gremlins in canon, and as such, those he saved in Lonesome Manor would help him during the fight. As such, Mickey thins out the machines. It also fits the situation. There’s no merciful, redemptive outcome using paint here, no reason to show restraint. Thus, Mickey goes out of his way to trash the doctor’s abominations to the fullest with thinner. Not to mention his own personal experience as one of the doctor’s victims.
-I can’t imagine the Throne Room not being Paint. This choice has direct result on Oswald’s last words to Mickey before the cutscene where the Blot rips him and Gus away for the final boss. It’d be pretty inconsistent if, in one moment, he’s telling Mickey off for being the destructive, selfish person he always knew he was, and the next, he’s swallowing his pride to accept Mickey and start over.
-I think Shadow Blot Thinner is canon for two reasons. One, Mickey looks very disappointed after winning with Thinner, like he was convinced beyond any doubt that there was no other option, and at this late in the game and with the experience he’s had with the brush, id assume he’s probably right. And two, it makes narrative sense. Mickey had every intention of destroying the blot, and since he believed the shadow blot was indeed the true blot before Oswald told him otherwise, I think he’d opt to destroy it. Plus, the redeemed Shadow Blot is nowhere to be found in the time between EM and EM2, as well as during the entire plot of EM2. I find it unlikely a friendly Shadow Blot would ignore Wasteland when it needed help, plus I have a feeling the Mad Doctor would seek him out to control or capture him, and from what we know, he doesn’t at all. Thinner makes the most sense.
Just my two cents. Good job!
I'm really glad you mentioned the fact that Hook can just be broken into pieces instead of fed to the crocodile. I'd hoped FungusNitrogen would mention it in the video as a possibility, but maybe he just didn't know you could do it that way. I agree with you that it's way more likely they'd be able to recover his clothes if they're just laying on the ship as opposed to being at the bottom of the thinner sea, even if both endings involve the clothes being thinned out
extremely good insight on the game here. i never even thought about Pete Pan being in EM2 implying that Hook's path was Thinner. also, i chose not to do some other side quests like Ortensia's locket because most of those side quests would just be based on "did Mickey do it or not?" those quests are optional but i wanted to do the ones where the player is forced to make two (or more) different choices
@@dilloncooper600 that's a good point, i did know you could destroy Hook by smashing him against the walls over and over. i mentioned this briefly by saying that there's 3 ways to go about his boss fight while showing the cutscene for Hook falling apart
@@PleasantGr8ient Oh shoot, you're right. My bad. I skimmed through that section again before commenting to make sure, but I completely missed it
There is a good possibility that when Paint path is chosen to for Captain Hook yet Hook may be dead from being a victim to the quake.
Canon% speedrun would go hard
I remember in my first playthrough accidentally getting the phone killed because I didn't understand the situation and being surprised by its dissapearance, blood was in my hands
It's ok bro it was a cannon event
I really like that they didn’t just go “oh he’s a good guy the whole time” but rather he’s done a little both and made mistakes, it’s cool how they confirm that in the second game
Yeah I agree
Like here 1:40
In epic mickey 2 if you go to north street it shows the pool as green even if you did the paint path
Fun fact, in the comic, Mickey defeats the clock tower with thinner, but then afterwards he breaks the phonograph playing the song that drove it mad. Mickey and Gus have an exchange about how it would drive ANYONE mad, and then Mickey says maybe he should have redeemed the tower instead of...well...and then they get the hell outta dodge without another word.
yea it’s shown at 1:49
@@PleasantGr8ient True, but you didn't bring it up, so I figured I would.
yea the ones i always thought for sure were cannon thinner path were the Clock tower, Moody, Hook, and the Pipe organ. i used to get sad over them but now i just find it morbidly hilarious that one of the paths you can do in EM2 is tricking Smee into going on a wild goose chase looking for Captain Hook knowing full well that he’ll never find him cuz he’s dead, like it’s really funny how despicable Mickey has to be to look Smee dead in the eye and say NOTHING when Smee proclaims his quest to go find hook when he’s the one who killed him💀💀💀
My urge to watch this video to learn because it sounds interesting vs the urge to not watch it because when rebrushed come out I wanna have the full, somewhat blind experience is insane rn
Even though we don't have any installments after EM2 to cement which choices are canon, I still think it'd be super cool to have a video discussing and speculating which choices are most likely to be canon for the second game's story-line. I know the graphic novelization was never officially translated from the original Italian to English, but fan translations exist here and there
i think the shadow blot was spared and it's just living at the top of mickeyjunk mountain
I think that too, he just Live on that mountain helping People with his friendly brothers that were in Fact created from the Blot because The others Were working for mad doctor, etc. So i think all those painted enemies Were spared and now lives on that mountain with a workshop
@@Sombra_zxThe mountain fell into the void, though.
@@PiesZdzislaw oh
Im still glad theres a small community that care about this game!
I love how mickey canonicaly dropped a safe on someone 😂
Prescot could have totally taken the phone apart after Mickey returned to his world, so I think it's more up in the air as to which path is true.
I was about to comment the same thing. If I’m remembering correctly I think Animatronic Goofy mentions that Prescott was looking around the house, so he 100% could have broken in.
I’m pretty sure right after Rolly says “Well the pipe organ was fixed”
4:08. The Prescott Villain arc.
Schrodingers pump: I will not know if the pumps are full of paint or thinner until I look at them.
4:10 Geez Prescott was a menace even before he became emo in the second game. Bro will destroy you if you get on his bad side. Wonder why he switch his outfit from Blue to Purple in the second game?
I wonder why Prescott and Jamface are twins.
@@BtncIsMyOldGameIg apparently it was due to the developers, at the very beginning of making the second game they had Prescott created in blue outfit, for some reason they changed it to purple, now he matches with Jamface I believe.
@@Sanimatez7865 nah bro, I came up with a theory, there’s a blue gremlin in mean street south the entirety of epic Mickey 2, what if, just what if, that’s actually Prescott, the purple one is a new gremlin created to be a new Prescott, I know it’s not the case, but it’s still a cool theory.
Cool concept, never considered there was enough material in the games/extra media to confirm certain events
ostown brings out the worst in mickey
Ostown is very depressing
Nice! And your logic seemes sound throughout the video
It's also worth noting Mickey thinning the Clock Tower is also in the junior novelization
For this game, I always went full Good Samaritan. I know it’s just a game, but I’d feel terrible for doing any ill towards anyone in this game
Me too one, time when I was younger I accidentally did a thinner quest and I felt so bad. And didn’t play the game for a week.
It was always very easy to feel bad about the world considering Mickey was directly responsible for it being so terrible in the furst place. Anything less than Mickey cleaning up his mistake would just not sit right.
Well, I know my next playthrough of epic Mickey now
same
Same and I haven’t played it yet
Really good video! I loved this game when I was little so it's cool seeing it went through again!
I was always thinking that the paint path is canon to the Captain Hook fight where he just dissapears between the event of the first and second game in a event that was never show
Horrace: “the inner machinations of my mind are an enigma…”
For the ones that you're not sure are paint or thinner canon I'm just going to go with the paint option for those ones.
Considering one of the ghosts is trying to help make the blots nice, and clarabelle has a garden of spatters she keeps around, I'd assume the paint path would be Canon for the blot fight, allowing the blotlings to be more friendly thanks to mickey reforming the major form of the blot.
As for dark beauty castle, i don't imagine mickey would want to make the castle even more unstable then it already is during that part of the story, so he'd repaie the murals to keep the stability (and as a psudo apology to oswald).
Although, the state of disrepair from the earthquakes of 2 could also justify the thinner path, so maybe they're both Canon
It could be argued that the Teddy Bear screeching Sam took is Scurvy Pat’s. The bear is identical which while it could just be another one of that same bear I don’t see why it can’t be the same, which would imply Mickey got the bear for him.
I also think it’s safe to assume Hook was fed to the crocodile and that the clothes you find were just an extra set, as it would be unlikely he’d only have one set of clothes.
Great video idea honestly, I remember a comic having the death of the Clock Tower canon when I always saved it by default, so I was always curious bout other details like that
Also heck yeah Id love to see canon events for the other Epic Mickey games!
This game should have had a neutral path
Why do I feel like that’s gonna be a thing when it finally comes out for The Nintendo switch
@@CatKun-2000 mabye
There's a problem with considering the Thinner path for the phone to be canon... Gus is there with Mickey. Had that choice been taken, Gus would _know._ But he "never got the full story"? Clearly "the incident" was something else.
neither Mickey or Gus were in his house when Prescott disassembled the phone so they wouldn't know, also when you go back in and get the gear from the phone's corpse Gus says something like "i wonder where the phone went, but it left this gear" like he's oblivious to the fact that the phone was disassembled
i actually find that all the events you listed as the thinner paths being canon can also be explained by the recent earthquakes. thats how i understood all those points to go.
9:17 😂 OH YEAH MR KRABS!
(Epic Mickey fans when Epic Mickey Rebrushed is announced)
Wow, this was very thorough. Very well made video! I would love to see one on 2.
Well, honestly, I think that the Shadow Blot was thinned, seeing that is pulled Mickey into Wasteland, and Mickey has seen what the Blotlings are capable of, so he thinned the Blot thinking it was the real one.
You might have missed the quest in bog easy to access the projector to the lonesome manor
By the way, are there any signs of wich choise Is Canon?
I mean the Epic Mickey 2 Intro cutscene revealed it I guess.
If Epic Mickey 2 ever gets a chance at getting remastered like the first game, I think it'd be cool to have certain events change depending on the save data from the first game.
Yes, i would love to see the next part Fumgus Nitrogen !
9:42 THERES A COMIC?? Woah
About Moody getting the safe dropped on him being cannon... He has always had a hard time remembering things, which was part of the mission to paint in his house, so to say that Mickey dropping the safe on Moody is not cannon...
mickey did fix the pipe organ. in epic mickey 2, rolly tells mickey that the pipe organ is fixed!
I haven't thought about this game in years! I wish I could play it again
You cannot fix robo daisy with the pumps active. smee holds a piece of her and will only hand it over if you thinner the machine
if you missed any of Daisy's parts you can buy the missing ones from Tiki Sam's shop for 1000 E-Tickets a piece
What the hell I had no clue you could even give Tiki Sam two of the masks. They were so easy to find that I just assumed he wouldn’t hand the wheel over unless you brought all three to him.
Finally a normal video lol (not hating Just saying finally something About EM)
I find it funny as hell that mickey walked into oztown and when he realized Oswald was living in his house, dropped a safe on a pirate and assassinated his telephone
I’d love to see a video on EM2
whichever one leads him to being a keyblade master training under yen sid is the canon one
Awesome vid I’ll use this for my run
But since shadow blot is never seen again unlike the rest of blot monsters who did return in epic Mickey 2. I’m gonna say shadow blot died
The good ending path.
I like doing the paint path as much as possible so some of those things on the thinner choice I may alter to fit in with the game. Maybe the quake in epic Mickey 2 caused the pipe organ to break along with causing moody to get hurt That's my opinion anyway.
And maybe the phone got damaged from the quake as well. Who knows. I just like doing the paint path because the thinner path is kind of mean.
Em2s canon is going to be hard for you fungus
Lore of What is the Canon Path in Epic Mickey? Momentum 100
dude it's obviously thinner route
4:55 this is the only modern Tron themed thing that is actually good...
Well knowing How evil Disney is the thinner path is obviusly canon
I went Paint Path in the Original Epic Mickey
I think its safe to say that neither paint OR thinner is canon but a neutral path is Canon
i like to make Hook and his Machine's paint path route canon
You forgot about the mad doctor boss fight with on the manor but I think it didn’t matter
Lmao, love the bloopers
What if... Hear me out, the stuff on the thinner path Really did happen after mickey left, in the Paint ending?
Okey, you genius
so he did the neutral route i see
What are the canon paths in Awesome Edition
i don't know honestly lo i guess if we ever get around to AE2 then we'll probably have to figure out what's canon in AE1 so the events of AE2 actually make sense
Where did you get the Captain Hook animation from
it’s from a demo reel from Powerhouse, the studio that made the 2D cutscenes for the Epic Mickey games
@@PleasantGr8ient is it possible for you to send me the link to it
ruclips.net/video/6Z7yYAcR6dg/видео.html
canon path is paint cuz petetronic in epic mickey 2
Neat
Oh
What about small Pete?
good idea, i forgot to mention him. i feel like Mickey didn't give him his ship log since he's working by himself in Rainbow Caverns which might imply that he was banned from working at gremlin village or anywhere that has a lot of gremlins, which Rainbow Caverns doesn't. also he's very abrasive towards Mickey and Oswald which could also be evidence that Mickey never brought him the ship log even though he asked him to
For me personally, it is the Paint Path. The people of Wasteland has suffered enough, why make more?
stop, being, woke! 😂😂😂
what
Get a load of this guy
This was really cool and I've never even played the games
hop on ‼
So the paint path is the most cannon, but but it's not the true paint ending, because he used on a few choices thinner