Great, detailed review of the two tyres. I’m following the same path as you, V11 to Sherman S, but with far less miles on the clock so far. Ironically your review actually made me go for the stock Kenda as no train tracking and stable in a straight line on road is what I was after. Can live with the dull feeling as I’m not a carver plus am still gaining experience.
Hey Steve, It's a good EUC path! I'm glad you went with the tyre that works for you. I tried to present the benefits of both tyres but found it challenging since i'm so biased towards the street tyre! what PSI are you on the Kenda? Ta, Jono
thank you for making this video. I actually just did this change on my shermanS last night (i had the kenda road). and it took perhaps one block of riding to love it lol
Oh are you in the area!? hang on I saw someone riding V11 alongside their kid a few months ago, I wonder if that could've been you :) It's enough weight to feel the high gyroscopic forces at cruising speeds. It gave the sensation of power surging over bumps.
I have seen a few riders in the area. I have destroyed my bolts to the motor in my v11 trying to do a tyre change, so I'm not riding atm. I'm waiting on tools to help remove them and if that fails I will have to look for another wheel. It abit rough as I lost my v10f and eplus in floods in nsw and now no v11. I think I cruise way slower than you do.
One of the best euc videos I've seen so far. Thanks for the detailed feedback and explanations. I'm using a Michelin City pro on my S22 and I love it. I also bought the Sinko 244 that I'm about to try.
Jon, at closer to the end of your video I noticed your tire was on backwards, & you explained why, but I guess it works on light wet surfaces but on heavy wet surface it has nowhere to displace that water so there is inconsistent grip. I ride on different surfaces, like metal plates for road construction, manhole covers, wood street markings, are slippery when wet, & the proper orientation matters in those situations.
Hi Kat, I'm not 100% sure which way you mean is backwards (wrong orientation vs mounted in a rear wheel orientation / position for a motorcycle) I think you're suggesting that a front orientation (with the V profile pointing upwards when viewing the tyre from the front) clears water better? I've used this tyre both ways in heavy rain and haven't noticed a difference. I'd love to talk to a tyre expert / representative to clarify the points in my video if possible! ta, Jono
Great info mate. I've got a Michelin City Pro initially for my Sherman but decided to save it for my Sherman S I'm planning on getting later this year. I feel with the centre channel of the City Pro it'll just cut through the wet like butter. I know it's definitely not as easy tyre change so was thinking of just bringing the rim to tyre store to get them to mount and balance. I'll watch your tyre change video and decide from there!
Igree i am one of pioners who discover city pro for EUCs and medialise in forums great tire. Good choice is heidenau K66 very good nimblenes and good all terain tyre.
hi Jon, i just got my sherman s. the kenda is on t i assume u are using the original tarmac. I do have the michelin tyre, the tyre is a tubeless tyre. I m assuming u are using the tube inside? im concerned abt the rims as the michelin is really hard. Also what psi u using? thanks
Hey mate, yea I'm using the tube inside. Mathieu tech moto has a tubeless conversion video. He said he loses several psi per week. The stiffer Michelin helps protect the rim! I run the Michelin Pilot Street 2 at 30PSI for my riding weight of 80kg.
I don't think I'd be able to go with a street. The knobby gives me grip everywhere I need but it also SCREAMS when riding which sounds amazing and also makes everyone get out of the way.
happy to hear it! nice How's the ShermS compared to S22? I'd like a smaller wheel for jumps and offroad. Even thought about the S22 instead of the ShermS. Happy with my choice for my main EUC b ut still curious.
Well done! I have the Michelin on an RS and the stock Kenda on a Sherman Max and the latter is less playful and "zippy" feeling than the wheel with the Michelin. Interesting bit about the high-siding. While out on a 60-mile ride on the Max recently and noticed that seemed like a possibility on the Kenda. I do think the RS is more prone to wobble with the Michelin (vs the original stock CST), but that could be in part because I switch between wheels a lot recently and am not used to the technique required with the new Michelin tire. You briefly mentioned "rear" orientation with regard to clearing rain. In all my reading/watching about the Michelin, I have not heard anyone mention front and rear orientation. When I first mounted mine, I think I used the rear orientation and it looked "wrong", so I switched it to the front. I didn't feel much difference. It would be interesting to know the differences/pros/cons of each orientation.
You're not wrong, I reckon the Michelin can wobble (from bumps or sitting / standing) a bit more but I find it corrects itself really quickly. Yeah the high-siding feels bad. I didn't explain it too well. Definitely due to the side tread pattern locking in, the tyre then is planted and stable on that tread and doesn't want to come back up! Re tyre orientation, James but a massive comment on my V11 Michelin video. Quote below for reference! Un-verified validity but seems to know his stuff. ruclips.net/video/RRl6XX6Sj_8/видео.html " @JamesMcClellan 4 months ago (edited) @John Purcell I would definitely advise turning the tire around to its proper forward direction. Just because it's a single wheel and just because a motorcycle has a front wheel that does the majority of the braking doesn't mean you should do as motorcyclists do. You don't have the mass to take advantage of the gripping power you're speaking of. As well, motorcycles front wheels aren't drive wheels. Which your EUC is. Drive wheels stay warmer and front wheels stay cooler. Front wheels only get warm when cornering at high speeds. Hell the front tire on a motorcycle being driven hard is only there to direct the bike. Reversing the wheel helps them get warm because it increases friction. But because the compound is laid directionally you're actually increasing excessive shear and causing failure to occur earlier. Why does it increase friction, because of the tread pattern and increased shear due to reversed compound direction. You see tires have no need to resist shear moving in reverse. You're never going fast enough in reverse. What happens in reverse is you release quicker, release being the moment of failure, understand? Especially in wet weather when the tire is coolest. As well the compound is laid down to both heat up for more stickiness but directionally be less resistant. This is a like magic science being both sticky but having low rolling resistance. You are actually increasing your vertical tire patch and decreasing your lateral tire patch. How it works is the longer the tire patch the more rolling resistance, the wider the patch the more lateral grip you have. Optimal resistance to grip ratio is a squared patch theoretically. But there are factors that can effect a preferred higher width over length. There are studies about how this works. But the easiest way to learn about this science, partially, is to go to bicyclerollingresistance.com and pick a couple of the racing tires and observe the test data for those tires and you'll glean much. But those are bicycle tires. Directional tires are meant to be used in the direction stated on the tire. You can even have tires that are meant to be front wheel or rear wheel. For motorcycle high performance tires such as yours you must consider the purpose of the tires. At cruising speed there are no worries other than rolling resistance. But sport bike tires are designed with acceleration and deceleration in mind. Remember, when racing, these tires never cruise. They accelerate all the way to the beginning of a corner and then decelerate under extremely hard braking with over 400 lbs of combined mass that of course multiplies from very high speeds. Your tire is designed for these purposes. The heat involved is high and the tire actually needs high heat to perform at it's optimal level. The mass of the bike and rider and the speeds under acceleration and deceleration provide that heat. Cornering also provides heat from the energy released from lateral friction at high speed. Currently a EUC and rider with it's combined mass and speeds will never quite get the tire to it's optimal tire temperature. And I mean ANY tire. They simply weren't designed with EUC's in mind. Lowering pressure can offset this a little, but you can only go but so low before you run into punctures and pinch flats. But the nature of that tire you have there especially as a driven tire can gain you some heat. But not if you have the tire facing the wrong way. You're actually deterring the tire from heating to optimal condition which lowers performance both in braking and grip. So you're basically increasing rolling resistance, lowering your failure threshold and lowering your braking grip. All at the same time. Turn your tire around."
@@jonoeuc Thanks. Most informative and also a bit above my level of comprehension beyond the concept of "heat helps with adhesion". When he concludes with "turn your tire around", which direction is he suggesting? When viewed from the front of the wheel, what appears "normal" is that the treads are shaped like a "V". Is he suggesting an inverted V? I think there are arrows on the tire that face opposite directions - one is labeled "front" and the other "rear". If memory serves (and it may well not be serving this morning), mounting with the rear arrow in the "correct" orientation would result in the inverted "V" tread pattern - ie, the one that doesn't look right.
Awesome video, Sherman S is my dream wheel :). Now I have Inmotion V12 HT with some kind of an hybrid tire. Someone hates it, some love it. For me it is guite good, very interesting tire for sure.
@@jonoeuc V12HT is extremelly smooth and you can configurate how soft the pedals should be. Inmotion has SW on another level. The torque is very good, could be better. But still it conquers any hill I found very easilly. Built quality is top notch, great mudguard, light, waterproofing and stand. With honeycomb pedals and powerpads this wheel is very finished product, perfect oposite to Begode prototype wheels 🤣
I like your feedback about those tires. I haven’t tried the Michelin. I don’t like the Kenda. Well I like some Kenda, the dual compound type, but they don’t make them in our sizes. I ride Japanese tires. I use both knobby and street: IRC TR-1 in the winter, and IRC NR77 for the summer. They are very different of course, just as different as the tires that you reviewed. both are pretty light weight as compared to yours. The TR-1 has the same Trials thread as the Shinko 241, only 1.6 Kg and 19’’ OD. It is 2.85’’ wide at 35 psi. I think softer gum too, cause it sure wears faster. I ride it from October to May, starting with the Autumn mountain trails, then snowy/slushy streets, and the dirty springtime trails and streets. As soon as the streets are clean, I switch to the NR77. Soft gum too. It’s 2.68’’ wide at 32 lbs, 19’’ OD, 1.4 Kg. Nimble and zippy. It’s my summer fun, and survival because I ride in a very crowded and challenging Urban environment. That tire sticks like eraser gum, and very responsive. Very good on wet pavement. Not so good on grass. It’s OK for the hard pack, well maintained summer trails in our small mountain, but not for rainy days because we have small wood bridges and skeletons that are soapy slippery when wet. That’s it. I wish you have a chance to try Japanese tires some day. 👍
Very helpful video! I just swapped my CST stock tire on the EX30 to a Michilen Stree 2 and couldn't figure out why the wheel wants to "stand up" through the corner. I'm not sure I prefer this riding style... yet. I have about 100 miles on the Michilen. It's great in many ways, but it is definitely a different riding style than the stock CST.
I agree 100% when you talk about the wheel wondering on you. It's a really strange feeling when it happens and really scary. I got a commander on clearance an it came with a knobby tire. I didn't hate it but I kind of hated it. As soon as I changed to the Pilot Street 2 my wheel came alive. Now I love Commander. It's going to take a lot to get me to try a knobby again.
Oh great to hear it's not just me or some SS defect causing the wondering wheel. It hasn't really been discussed much from what i've seen. Hsiang (sean) mentioned it in his SS review video but blamed gusts of wind from memory. love this "I didn't hate it but I kind of hated it." can relate to that. I've been pointed towards the Heidenau K66 as a hybrid option. Looks solid.
Great vid, I was suffering from the same things you were pointing out on V13's original tire and switching to the Street Tire 2 80/90-16 (48S) Reinf was the best thing I did. What a great tire! Where are you finding all info on compatible tires? Maybe next years tire will be hybrid you pointed out.
Happy it worked out for you! Generally I look for the sizing such as 80/90-14 for the ShermS. The other style of searching based on diameter alone can work as well. The various facebook groups have often found the best tyres already.
@@motorizedpedestrian It is the aspect of the tyre. 80mm width and the height is expressed as a percentage of this width. 90% in this case. Therefore the height = 80mm x 0.9 = 72mm.
Oh i'm sure it'll be nice and different! Mounting on the SS? I'm curious how much you feel the Multi radius contour (V-Profile). If that translates to a more angled EUC through turns. Rear orientation? agh good luck with the patching! Ta, Jono
@jonpurcell6838 yes this is the way I'm mounting it. At first the angel looks really wide, I didn't think it would fit, but once those stiff walls come together, for a really nice curvature. Yesterday I tried a friend's v13 out he just got it. The brand name of the tire was strange, the tread is identical to what's sold on Sherman's. When I tried it out it felt as you described It felt as though I was riding that tall beast on a razor thin line, and was a battle like no other to fight it side to side.
@@pacochawa2746 Oh what do you like about it? I heard from one rider that they had a lack of traction on concrete footpaths. Chattering as the it had micro losses of traction while cornering.
Amazing video, so much information to get from this. I am still on the edge for the Sherman S, as i am pretty short/lightweight (5'8" /165lbs with gear). I wonder how tired I would get from stop & goes in city riding. Gives me thoughts about trying the street tire for my OG v3
I reckon it'd refresh the OG nicely for some street carving! You're right to be hesitant about the Sherman S for city riding. I find it's heavy to stop start all the time. Although Hsiang (Sean) was planning to get an SS for himself in new york.
I'm 5'5 150lbs and the Sherman S is no problem, but there is an adjustment period, and I also use Clark biopads which are really locked in. Rode 50 miles last weekend, seating and standing, no problem.
How about the gyro effect compared to Kenda? How am I doing at high speeds and has that weird uncontrollable turning you mention in the video at 7:25 gone. I'm asking because I also have a strange turning right without control on Kenda
Hey Tec, The Gyro is noticeably less on the Street tyre. When riding at higher speeds I could feel the knobby tyre surging due to gyro and over bumps in the road. The turning control loss was the worse while seated. It happened a little standing but much easier to rein in. I haven't had it happen on the street tyre.
I'll put this tire in the summer on the master, knobby is really only important in mud. I was able to get grip offroad on any surface with a street tire on my v12hs but damn it if it rains and you are in the woods on a street tire, it's over.
nice, enjoy haha yeah agreed with the rain + offroad = ice skating! I've been pointed to the Heidanau K66 hybrid which I may try if I need more offroad.
Cool vid. I am fed up with cars so I opted to go off roading yet my skills are not up to spec yet for that. I whent for the shinko 244 on the master. Cst was horrible and like you said it just dropps in corners. As new to faster wheels that feeling is horiblle. With the shinko I dont get that any more. I would have loved a street tire but cars and trucks here will just run you over, they constantly ride on the bike lane. Thus trying to get ready for off road trails. So far shinko 244 is good in the parkinglot. I would suggest dumping stolk tires too.
thanks! Glad you found the 244, did you consider the Heidenau K66? It shouldn't be a surprise that the tyre makes such a *huge* difference but I was surprised! That sucks about the bike lanes, where abouts is that?
Any additional thoughts on the 241 for sherman s from any of you? :) I've had my sherman s for 1700km so far, stock tire :( still no joy.. contemplating selling it and buying a patton instead.. but i'm curious about the 241 on it since i tried a friends s22 with a 241 & really loved the feel & sound of it! Any thoughts apprechiated!
I found out that the stock foot plates slipping issue was mainly due to the protruding screws of the adjustable extension. I grinded the screws about 1.5mm and it improved the grip tremendously. For good measure I also grinded the screw head 0.5mm also put some loctite for good measure as I found out some screws were a bit loose from the box.
I'll probably try out the Pilot 2 down the road for quietness sake, but in the meantime, I'm going for the Shinko 244 since I have a tendency to "find" myself into trails without thinking 😂.
If you have the time can you elaborate? Curious if it rolls / carves from side to side easily. More stability? Weight/gyro comparison? and anything else, cheers!
@@jonoeuc i had the opportinity to compare between my Sherman S with Kenda 262 vs someone else Sherman S with Shinko 244. The shinko is waaaaay better in turns, not even comparable. Didnt had the chance to try it at high speed though.
@@jonoeuc No problem! I feel a lot more stable at all speeds between 1-50. I prefer the way the tire turns...I am not really sure how to explain the difference other than that it feels more natural. The tire feels softer to me, I am not sure that it actually is though. I run 35 psi on the 244 and it feels amazing, the Mich just wasn't happy with anything above or below 40 for me and it just wasn't great. On street I would give the Mich a 6/10 and the 244 a 9/10. On trail, I would give the Mich a 5/10 and the 244 an 8/10. The grip and control always feels better on the 244 imo.
I put the pilot street 2 on my sherman s, and so far the tire makes the Sherman S more nimbler. Im enjoying it at the lower speeds under 30mph. It is very easy to carve and doesn't take much effort to do any turning with. However, the only thing i'm having a hard time adjusting to is how nimble it makes this heavy wheel feel and doesn't feel as stable as the Kenda (for now). I have the tire at 28psi and that still feels quite squirrly! lol I feel i have to relearn how to ride this wheel again. The wheel does like to stay straight up during turns which does require extra effort. Breaking requires some extra micromovements to stay stable as it feels different . I'm sure everything will be fine with enough practice, and giving the tire a break in period.I didn't realize how much of a difference this tire would make. It feels like a completely different wheel which needs practice with. I know this sounds like im complaining, and in fact it feels a whole lot better than the Kenda in terms of unlocking the stiff feeling Kenda. The wheel is playful and unlocked from its stiff nature the Kenda gave. Good video Jon, you have some of the best and detailed content out there for the EUC hobby.
Hi Wil, it's a huge change! Definitely suited for street cruising which the ShermS is best. I agree the nimbleness feels dangerous for the first few rides. I went offroad on it yesterday and managed nearly everywhere, single track double track grass. It can be extremely slippery! Only had to push through deep sand, mud and a creek crossing which I wouldn't ride with a knobby anyway. thanks for the summery of your experience with this tyre. Hopefully it'll help others trying to decide.
supreme video, I also changed my kenda to a contiscoot and its another wheel . On another note, I believe the brake wobbles also has something to do with the tube sizing, If I use the 18x3 tube, the tire for the most part balances all right but quite difficult to get it 100%, but on the 18x2.50 tube it feels perfect with minimal tweaking. The Nylonove plates are amazing, but get a disconnection feel rather than metal foot plates, nothing bad per se, but to consider when doing both upgrades on the shermie s.
Does the Contiscoot feel like and corner like a round profile? it looks that way. interesting note on the tube. Oh I get what you mean with the NyloNove, I'd guess it's the slight flex which also dampens the feel. I'll add that to the footplate video, cheers jono
@@jonoeuc have the contiscoot on my max and S, and its quite difficult to corner hard on the S with it, have to knee lean quite a bit, its fun tho lol. Still playing with pressures to find the sweet spot, coming off the knobby to the conti is a different experience, so lively and twitchy at first but taking time to adjust to gain more confidence on hard corners
Thankyou Mike! If I had one, I'd get spiked footplates and power pads. swap out the CST tyre. Probably with a knobby or hybrid if you're hitting trails. The water proofing is excellent but i'd inspect it during the tyre change. It has a tough rim so the tyre pressure can be a tad lower. This improves the ride according to Chooch. Chooch was the main advocate for the V12 so it's worth seeing his videos. Cheers!
@@jonoeuc They are just tires on EUCs and I know they can make a significant difference in a ride. But I'm thinking should have been a 10min vid to get the main points across IMHO. Cheers
@@jonoeuc i disagree with this random person, anyone can do 10 min video and lots of people have, but the more interesting and hugging videos are the longer indeph ones. thank you that you dont just do boring 10 min videos. i really likes the comparison videos shown to Illustrate your points btw. i have the s22 with stock tire, and i agree with everything you described to be bad about the nobby (having 1600km on it). but opposite to you, i went with the shinko 244 because besides the better street performance, i also wanted better mud capability. itll arrive in 1 week hopefully.
Yes! my buddy Mathieu has a video on that. It requires minor modifications. He has reported a pressure loss of about 2 to 3psi every week. I'm concerned of cornering too hard and having the tyre 'burp' losing pressure. not sure if that would happen? ruclips.net/video/P00W9dnxTtQ/видео.htmlsi=OZjU7PsN-1_2Fh9J
i've now done about 300km with the Shinko 244 on the Sherman-S, i'd say that it's a very good compromise between the Michelin and Stock Kenda tire, it corners better than the kenda but not as good as the Michelin, the Shinko 244 noise level is about the same as the Kenda but with a lot lower pitch so a lot less noticeable, think of this like a hoard of mosquitos vs Bees It would be tempting to reinstall the Michelin but offroading on EUC's is so much fun, I'll do a review video this week !
hey thanks for the update! sounds solid. In your review, Can you touch on the roundness/progressiveness/linearity when cornering and how to centre the tyre when installing (if you were able) cheers!
@@jonoeuc Thank you for the idea, will do my best, i'm converted to tubeless so i think that's the reason that the tire is so well centered, All i did is to put a lot of lubricant on the bead when inflating, then the tire centered itself, that is more a problem when installing with tubes
Hi Maca, here is the link where I bought it from if you're in Australia --> www.bikebiz.com.au/products/michelin-80-90-14-46s-pilot-street-2-front-or-rear-tyre translation for others "Hi friend I wanted to know if you have a link to buy it? please thank you"
as a cyclist, i know a lot about rolling resistance and ride quality. Curious to hear more about range. That new tyre should give you more range, not less, it's strange. I wouldnt upgrade for a tyre that gives me less grip, is less of an all rounder, and reduces my range: that would feel like a downgrade. I have a Veteran Sherman with the stock knobby tyre.
Hey Pier, good points and I see the apparent contradiction. I'll see if I can work through them. Primarily changed because the street is far more enjoyable and suits the majority of my riding which is on paved surfaces. Range is extremely variable. With the Michelin I'm so comfortable which means I accelerate and ride harder, higher top speeds. This highly impacts the range. The tyre pressure is at 30psi vs 35psi on the knobby. So perhaps a retest is needed. Grip: most of my riding is on paved surfaces so the traction is improved. Although wet grass is death. Are you looking or tried a different tyre on your sherman? Hope that clears things up a bit! Cheers jono
@@jonoeuc thanks. Have only used the stock tire. I try to avoid upgradeitis. I use the wheel in mountain areas and it needs to be able to handle snow, as i don't want to change twice a year. Would be curious to try a street tire though for sure.
@@jonoeuc I was pretty sure it was the good orientation but now i'm pretty confused lol i'd need to deep dive and make slow motion videos rolling in water to see the real effects of direction
I'm sure riding such rough conditions provides plenty of excitement! That second hybrid tyre I show Jon using is in snowy conditions too. Definitely pick the right traction for your conditions, zero snow here in QLD. Cheers
i've ridden in snow and blizzard so bad that the wind literally stopped (and i have over 7000 km in my legs of EUC riding). I can attest the Sherman w stock tyre grips snow. I did also wipe out on ice in a turn on a mountain pass, but when i got up i couldn't even walk on that road, it was just slippery AF, the tyre was grippier than my shoes.
Thanks for the tip, I love the look of the k66. more street oriented than the Shinko. It does look difficult to get in AUS but possible for around $200aud shipped for anyone curious. I'd try that once the Michelin runs out... after maybe a year lol www.racing-planet.com/tire-heidenau-k66-80-90-14-46p-tl-reinforced-p-391885-1.html
search for 80/90-12 the 12 inch last part is the smaller rim diameter for the smaller 16" eucs. looking at www.michelin.com.au/motorbike/tyres/michelin-pilot-street-2?tyreSize=12 they only have 90/90-12 which means the diameter is 10mm larger and the width is 9mm more. So it could easily rub if you don't have enough space. The 16" size is very restrictive for street tyres from what i've seen. Try the forums / facebook for your euc model. cheers!
Yes! The only issue was when I was forced into a low spot corner on a bike path. There was silty build up that was slippery as ice. The tyre slid but luckily I didn't go down. Not sure how much a knobby would've helped there.
On the few occasion's that you need real grip i think it's worth having a knobby tire over the street, as we can all agree most riding consist of 90% road riding and 10% off-road as up a steep dirt hill, muddy grassy areas, a park or even sand at the beach where a knobby tire would save you from a face-plant😁🤣
that looks excellent! more street oriented than the Shinko. It does look difficult to get in AUS but possible for around $200aud shipped. www.racing-planet.com/tire-heidenau-k66-80-90-14-46p-tl-reinforced-p-391885-1.html
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Great video man! Awesome HD angles!
I love your in depth reviews Jon. Thanks for another great video.
Glad you like them :)
next up Sherman S comprehensive!
Great insights and observations Jonno, many thanks for your making this video. Cheers from Scotland!
Love the series type videos you are making and your video editing is on point.
I appreciate that, ta
I'm really liking the knobby tyre on my t4, gives me a confidence offroad that iv never had before
good to know. what tyre did you have on the T4 before?
A knobby on it would pair well since it's such a good trail wheel!
@Jon Purcell think it sais topsn 300-12
Great, detailed review of the two tyres. I’m following the same path as you, V11 to Sherman S, but with far less miles on the clock so far. Ironically your review actually made me go for the stock Kenda as no train tracking and stable in a straight line on road is what I was after. Can live with the dull feeling as I’m not a carver plus am still gaining experience.
Hey Steve,
It's a good EUC path! I'm glad you went with the tyre that works for you. I tried to present the benefits of both tyres but found it challenging since i'm so biased towards the street tyre!
what PSI are you on the Kenda?
Ta, Jono
I pick it up Monday and it has the Kenda on it. Going to give it a few months and see how it goes
I've just put an order in for the Sherman s also! 66lb.
Coming from a v11, 😂
thank you for making this video. I actually just did this change on my shermanS last night (i had the kenda road). and it took perhaps one block of riding to love it lol
so good, enjoy!
It's fun to watch someone riding in the same area I do. You are riding a fair amount faster than I do on the v11.
Sherman s looks fun.
Oh the off-road tire is taller. The extra weight is not a big issue when you stay at cruising speed. It's my guess.
Oh are you in the area!? hang on I saw someone riding V11 alongside their kid a few months ago, I wonder if that could've been you :)
It's enough weight to feel the high gyroscopic forces at cruising speeds. It gave the sensation of power surging over bumps.
I have seen a few riders in the area. I have destroyed my bolts to the motor in my v11 trying to do a tyre change, so I'm not riding atm. I'm waiting on tools to help remove them and if that fails I will have to look for another wheel. It abit rough as I lost my v10f and eplus in floods in nsw and now no v11.
I think I cruise way slower than you do.
One of the best euc videos I've seen so far. Thanks for the detailed feedback and explanations. I'm using a Michelin City pro on my S22 and I love it. I also bought the Sinko 244 that I'm about to try.
Cheers!
The city pro seems very similar and i'd love your thoughts on the Shinko 244.
ta, Jono
I heard the 244 is quite the heavy tire. Anyone know what the weight is?
Thanks for the detailed video! I was looking to try out a street tire on the T4 (also from E-Riderz), and you've convinced me to try out a Michelin 😀
oh nice, e-riderz are great.
that'll be a big change, enjoy!
Jon, at closer to the end of your video I noticed your tire was on backwards, & you explained why, but I guess it works on light wet surfaces but on heavy wet surface it has nowhere to displace that water so there is inconsistent grip. I ride on different surfaces, like metal plates for road construction, manhole covers, wood street markings, are slippery when wet, & the proper orientation matters in those situations.
Hi Kat,
I'm not 100% sure which way you mean is backwards (wrong orientation vs mounted in a rear wheel orientation / position for a motorcycle)
I think you're suggesting that a front orientation (with the V profile pointing upwards when viewing the tyre from the front) clears water better? I've used this tyre both ways in heavy rain and haven't noticed a difference.
I'd love to talk to a tyre expert / representative to clarify the points in my video if possible!
ta, Jono
Great info mate. I've got a Michelin City Pro initially for my Sherman but decided to save it for my Sherman S I'm planning on getting later this year. I feel with the centre channel of the City Pro it'll just cut through the wet like butter. I know it's definitely not as easy tyre change so was thinking of just bringing the rim to tyre store to get them to mount and balance. I'll watch your tyre change video and decide from there!
The city pro should be very similar.
Good plan, save yourself the hassle!
although I like to be able to work on the wheel myself.
Igree i am one of pioners who discover city pro for EUCs and medialise in forums great tire. Good choice is heidenau K66 very good nimblenes and good all terain tyre.
@@jansvoboda9778thanks for the suggestion, the K66 looks really solid
hi Jon, i just got my sherman s. the kenda is on t i assume u are using the original tarmac. I do have the michelin tyre, the tyre is a tubeless tyre. I m assuming u are using the tube inside? im concerned abt the rims as the michelin is really hard. Also what psi u using? thanks
Hey mate, yea I'm using the tube inside. Mathieu tech moto has a tubeless conversion video. He said he loses several psi per week.
The stiffer Michelin helps protect the rim! I run the Michelin Pilot Street 2 at 30PSI for my riding weight of 80kg.
I don't think I'd be able to go with a street. The knobby gives me grip everywhere I need but it also SCREAMS when riding which sounds amazing and also makes everyone get out of the way.
I bought a used Sherman S and it has this tire on it, it's great. Been riding my kingsong s22 with off road tire this whole time
happy to hear it! nice
How's the ShermS compared to S22? I'd like a smaller wheel for jumps and offroad. Even thought about the S22 instead of the ShermS. Happy with my choice for my main EUC b ut still curious.
I was looking at thes two tires and you review helps me a lot
Well done! I have the Michelin on an RS and the stock Kenda on a Sherman Max and the latter is less playful and "zippy" feeling than the wheel with the Michelin. Interesting bit about the high-siding. While out on a 60-mile ride on the Max recently and noticed that seemed like a possibility on the Kenda. I do think the RS is more prone to wobble with the Michelin (vs the original stock CST), but that could be in part because I switch between wheels a lot recently and am not used to the technique required with the new Michelin tire.
You briefly mentioned "rear" orientation with regard to clearing rain. In all my reading/watching about the Michelin, I have not heard anyone mention front and rear orientation. When I first mounted mine, I think I used the rear orientation and it looked "wrong", so I switched it to the front. I didn't feel much difference. It would be interesting to know the differences/pros/cons of each orientation.
You're not wrong, I reckon the Michelin can wobble (from bumps or sitting / standing) a bit more but I find it corrects itself really quickly.
Yeah the high-siding feels bad. I didn't explain it too well. Definitely due to the side tread pattern locking in, the tyre then is planted and stable on that tread and doesn't want to come back up!
Re tyre orientation, James but a massive comment on my V11 Michelin video. Quote below for reference! Un-verified validity but seems to know his stuff.
ruclips.net/video/RRl6XX6Sj_8/видео.html
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@JamesMcClellan
4 months ago (edited)
@John Purcell I would definitely advise turning the tire around to its proper forward direction. Just because it's a single wheel and just because a motorcycle has a front wheel that does the majority of the braking doesn't mean you should do as motorcyclists do.
You don't have the mass to take advantage of the gripping power you're speaking of. As well, motorcycles front wheels aren't drive wheels. Which your EUC is.
Drive wheels stay warmer and front wheels stay cooler. Front wheels only get warm when cornering at high speeds. Hell the front tire on a motorcycle being driven hard is only there to direct the bike.
Reversing the wheel helps them get warm because it increases friction. But because the compound is laid directionally you're actually increasing excessive shear and causing failure to occur earlier. Why does it increase friction, because of the tread pattern and increased shear due to reversed compound direction.
You see tires have no need to resist shear moving in reverse. You're never going fast enough in reverse. What happens in reverse is you release quicker, release being the moment of failure, understand? Especially in wet weather when the tire is coolest.
As well the compound is laid down to both heat up for more stickiness but directionally be less resistant. This is a like magic science being both sticky but having low rolling resistance.
You are actually increasing your vertical tire patch and decreasing your lateral tire patch. How it works is the longer the tire patch the more rolling resistance, the wider the patch the more lateral grip you have. Optimal resistance to grip ratio is a squared patch theoretically. But there are factors that can effect a preferred higher width over length. There are studies about how this works. But the easiest way to learn about this science, partially, is to go to bicyclerollingresistance.com and pick a couple of the racing tires and observe the test data for those tires and you'll glean much. But those are bicycle tires.
Directional tires are meant to be used in the direction stated on the tire. You can even have tires that are meant to be front wheel or rear wheel. For motorcycle high performance tires such as yours you must consider the purpose of the tires. At cruising speed there are no worries other than rolling resistance.
But sport bike tires are designed with acceleration and deceleration in mind. Remember, when racing, these tires never cruise. They accelerate all the way to the beginning of a corner and then decelerate under extremely hard braking with over 400 lbs of combined mass that of course multiplies from very high speeds. Your tire is designed for these purposes. The heat involved is high and the tire actually needs high heat to perform at it's optimal level. The mass of the bike and rider and the speeds under acceleration and deceleration provide that heat. Cornering also provides heat from the energy released from lateral friction at high speed.
Currently a EUC and rider with it's combined mass and speeds will never quite get the tire to it's optimal tire temperature. And I mean ANY tire. They simply weren't designed with EUC's in mind. Lowering pressure can offset this a little, but you can only go but so low before you run into punctures and pinch flats. But the nature of that tire you have there especially as a driven tire can gain you some heat. But not if you have the tire facing the wrong way. You're actually deterring the tire from heating to optimal condition which lowers performance both in braking and grip.
So you're basically increasing rolling resistance, lowering your failure threshold and lowering your braking grip. All at the same time.
Turn your tire around."
@@jonoeuc Thanks. Most informative and also a bit above my level of comprehension beyond the concept of "heat helps with adhesion". When he concludes with "turn your tire around", which direction is he suggesting? When viewed from the front of the wheel, what appears "normal" is that the treads are shaped like a "V". Is he suggesting an inverted V? I think there are arrows on the tire that face opposite directions - one is labeled "front" and the other "rear". If memory serves (and it may well not be serving this morning), mounting with the rear arrow in the "correct" orientation would result in the inverted "V" tread pattern - ie, the one that doesn't look right.
Awesome video, Sherman S is my dream wheel :). Now I have Inmotion V12 HT with some kind of an hybrid tire. Someone hates it, some love it. For me it is guite good, very interesting tire for sure.
thanks :)
That's a fun EUC, awesome torque?
@@jonoeuc V12HT is extremelly smooth and you can configurate how soft the pedals should be. Inmotion has SW on another level. The torque is very good, could be better. But still it conquers any hill I found very easilly. Built quality is top notch, great mudguard, light, waterproofing and stand. With honeycomb pedals and powerpads this wheel is very finished product, perfect oposite to Begode prototype wheels 🤣
I like your feedback about those tires.
I haven’t tried the Michelin. I don’t like the Kenda. Well I like some Kenda, the dual compound type, but they don’t make them in our sizes.
I ride Japanese tires. I use both knobby and street:
IRC TR-1 in the winter, and IRC NR77 for the summer. They are very different of course, just as different as the tires that you reviewed. both are pretty light weight as compared to yours.
The TR-1 has the same Trials thread as the Shinko 241, only 1.6 Kg and 19’’ OD. It is 2.85’’ wide at 35 psi. I think softer gum too, cause it sure wears faster. I ride it from October to May, starting with the Autumn mountain trails, then snowy/slushy streets, and the dirty springtime trails and streets.
As soon as the streets are clean, I switch to the NR77. Soft gum too. It’s 2.68’’ wide at 32 lbs, 19’’ OD, 1.4 Kg. Nimble and zippy. It’s my summer fun, and survival because I ride in a very crowded and challenging Urban environment. That tire sticks like eraser gum, and very responsive. Very good on wet pavement. Not so good on grass. It’s OK for the hard pack, well maintained summer trails in our small mountain, but not for rainy days because we have small wood bridges and skeletons that are soapy slippery when wet.
That’s it. I wish you have a chance to try Japanese tires some day. 👍
Very helpful video! I just swapped my CST stock tire on the EX30 to a Michilen Stree 2 and couldn't figure out why the wheel wants to "stand up" through the corner. I'm not sure I prefer this riding style... yet. I have about 100 miles on the Michilen. It's great in many ways, but it is definitely a different riding style than the stock CST.
exactly! good to hear that it handles just the same on a different EUC. The tyre is soo important.
Hope you get the hang of it, cheers jono
I agree 100% when you talk about the wheel wondering on you. It's a really strange feeling when it happens and really scary. I got a commander on clearance an it came with a knobby tire. I didn't hate it but I kind of hated it. As soon as I changed to the Pilot Street 2 my wheel came alive. Now I love Commander. It's going to take a lot to get me to try a knobby again.
Oh great to hear it's not just me or some SS defect causing the wondering wheel.
It hasn't really been discussed much from what i've seen. Hsiang (sean) mentioned it in his SS review video but blamed gusts of wind from memory.
love this "I didn't hate it but I kind of hated it." can relate to that.
I've been pointed towards the Heidenau K66 as a hybrid option. Looks solid.
Great vid, I was suffering from the same things you were pointing out on V13's original tire and switching to the Street Tire 2 80/90-16 (48S) Reinf was the best thing I did. What a great tire!
Where are you finding all info on compatible tires? Maybe next years tire will be hybrid you pointed out.
Happy it worked out for you!
Generally I look for the sizing such as 80/90-14 for the ShermS. The other style of searching based on diameter alone can work as well.
The various facebook groups have often found the best tyres already.
@@jonoeucwhat’s 80/90 measure?
@@motorizedpedestrian It is the aspect of the tyre. 80mm width and the height is expressed as a percentage of this width. 90% in this case. Therefore the height = 80mm x 0.9 = 72mm.
Wow the edting of your videos has gotten really good !
Looks like a great tire. I lean towards the pirreli angel tire myself i and currently mounting it. Pinched my tube sadly got to patch it 😪 try again
Oh i'm sure it'll be nice and different! Mounting on the SS? I'm curious how much you feel the Multi radius contour (V-Profile). If that translates to a more angled EUC through turns. Rear orientation?
agh good luck with the patching!
Ta, Jono
@jonpurcell6838 yes this is the way I'm mounting it. At first the angel looks really wide, I didn't think it would fit, but once those stiff walls come together, for a really nice curvature. Yesterday I tried a friend's v13 out he just got it. The brand name of the tire was strange, the tread is identical to what's sold on Sherman's. When I tried it out it felt as you described It felt as though I was riding that tall beast on a razor thin line, and was a battle like no other to fight it side to side.
I really want to try pirreli.
@@pacochawa2746 Oh what do you like about it?
I heard from one rider that they had a lack of traction on concrete footpaths. Chattering as the it had micro losses of traction while cornering.
Amazing video, so much information to get from this. I am still on the edge for the Sherman S, as i am pretty short/lightweight (5'8" /165lbs with gear). I wonder how tired I would get from stop & goes in city riding. Gives me thoughts about trying the street tire for my OG v3
I reckon it'd refresh the OG nicely for some street carving!
You're right to be hesitant about the Sherman S for city riding. I find it's heavy to stop start all the time. Although Hsiang (Sean) was planning to get an SS for himself in new york.
I'm 5'5 150lbs and the Sherman S is no problem, but there is an adjustment period, and I also use Clark biopads which are really locked in. Rode 50 miles last weekend, seating and standing, no problem.
How about the gyro effect compared to Kenda? How am I doing at high speeds and has that weird uncontrollable turning you mention in the video at 7:25 gone. I'm asking because I also have a strange turning right without control on Kenda
Hey Tec,
The Gyro is noticeably less on the Street tyre.
When riding at higher speeds I could feel the knobby tyre surging due to gyro and over bumps in the road.
The turning control loss was the worse while seated. It happened a little standing but much easier to rein in.
I haven't had it happen on the street tyre.
Love the technical detail, keep it up 😉
Thanks, will do!
very nice video, great tire!
cheers! Good to see your esk8con racing video, is it with this tyre?
@@jonoeuc I use the contiscoot it's a bit more of a hybrid tire as it's decent offroading and on
It also wears out the trailing siping edge when the tire in mounted backwards.
thanks for the info
I'll put this tire in the summer on the master, knobby is really only important in mud. I was able to get grip offroad on any surface with a street tire on my v12hs but damn it if it rains and you are in the woods on a street tire, it's over.
nice, enjoy
haha yeah agreed with the rain + offroad = ice skating!
I've been pointed to the Heidanau K66 hybrid which I may try if I need more offroad.
Cool vid. I am fed up with cars so I opted to go off roading yet my skills are not up to spec yet for that. I whent for the shinko 244 on the master. Cst was horrible and like you said it just dropps in corners. As new to faster wheels that feeling is horiblle. With the shinko I dont get that any more. I would have loved a street tire but cars and trucks here will just run you over, they constantly ride on the bike lane. Thus trying to get ready for off road trails. So far shinko 244 is good in the parkinglot. I would suggest dumping stolk tires too.
thanks!
Glad you found the 244, did you consider the Heidenau K66?
It shouldn't be a surprise that the tyre makes such a *huge* difference but I was surprised!
That sucks about the bike lanes, where abouts is that?
Nice video 🙂 just looking for a new tire for the SS, thanks!
Glad I could help!
@@jonoeuc which size of the Kinetic Pads 2.0 would you recommend?
I wonder if you'd enjoy the shinko 241 more then the 262
it seems like it'd have the same characteristics just from eyeballing it. The Heidenau K66 hybrid has really caught my attention.
@Jon Purcell it is definitely wider than the 262 though
@@Mpower31 oh that might help, i'd have to try it. I'm not sure about the tube sorry. I'd try ebay, bike shops and E-Riderz shop myself.
Any additional thoughts on the 241 for sherman s from any of you? :) I've had my sherman s for 1700km so far, stock tire :( still no joy.. contemplating selling it and buying a patton instead.. but i'm curious about the 241 on it since i tried a friends s22 with a 241 & really loved the feel & sound of it!
Any thoughts apprechiated!
I found out that the stock foot plates slipping issue was mainly due to the protruding screws of the adjustable extension. I grinded the screws about 1.5mm and it improved the grip tremendously. For good measure I also grinded the screw head 0.5mm also put some loctite for good measure as I found out some screws were a bit loose from the box.
Thanks for the tips, i'll add it to the footplate video cheers
ps i swapped them out for the 10mm grub screws and noticed an improvement too.
I'll probably try out the Pilot 2 down the road for quietness sake, but in the meantime, I'm going for the Shinko 244 since I have a tendency to "find" myself into trails without thinking 😂.
Had both and 244 is far superior on the Master anyways. On and off road as well.
If you have the time can you elaborate? Curious if it rolls / carves from side to side easily. More stability? Weight/gyro comparison? and anything else, cheers!
@@jonoeuc i had the opportinity to compare between my Sherman S with Kenda 262 vs someone else Sherman S with Shinko 244.
The shinko is waaaaay better in turns, not even comparable. Didnt had the chance to try it at high speed though.
@@jonoeuc No problem! I feel a lot more stable at all speeds between 1-50. I prefer the way the tire turns...I am not really sure how to explain the difference other than that it feels more natural. The tire feels softer to me, I am not sure that it actually is though. I run 35 psi on the 244 and it feels amazing, the Mich just wasn't happy with anything above or below 40 for me and it just wasn't great. On street I would give the Mich a 6/10 and the 244 a 9/10. On trail, I would give the Mich a 5/10 and the 244 an 8/10. The grip and control always feels better on the 244 imo.
I put the pilot street 2 on my sherman s, and so far the tire makes the Sherman S more nimbler. Im enjoying it at the lower speeds under 30mph. It is very easy to carve and doesn't take much effort to do any turning with. However, the only thing i'm having a hard time adjusting to is how nimble it makes this heavy wheel feel and doesn't feel as stable as the Kenda (for now). I have the tire at 28psi and that still feels quite squirrly! lol I feel i have to relearn how to ride this wheel again. The wheel does like to stay straight up during turns which does require extra effort. Breaking requires some extra micromovements to stay stable as it feels different . I'm sure everything will be fine with enough practice, and giving the tire a break in period.I didn't realize how much of a difference this tire would make. It feels like a completely different wheel which needs practice with. I know this sounds like im complaining, and in fact it feels a whole lot better than the Kenda in terms of unlocking the stiff feeling Kenda. The wheel is playful and unlocked from its stiff nature the Kenda gave. Good video Jon, you have some of the best and detailed content out there for the EUC hobby.
Hi Wil, it's a huge change! Definitely suited for street cruising which the ShermS is best. I agree the nimbleness feels dangerous for the first few rides.
I went offroad on it yesterday and managed nearly everywhere, single track double track grass. It can be extremely slippery! Only had to push through deep sand, mud and a creek crossing which I wouldn't ride with a knobby anyway.
thanks for the summery of your experience with this tyre. Hopefully it'll help others trying to decide.
supreme video, I also changed my kenda to a contiscoot and its another wheel .
On another note, I believe the brake wobbles also has something to do with the tube sizing, If I use the 18x3 tube, the tire for the most part balances all right but quite difficult to get it 100%, but on the 18x2.50 tube it feels perfect with minimal tweaking.
The Nylonove plates are amazing, but get a disconnection feel rather than metal foot plates, nothing bad per se, but to consider when doing both upgrades on the shermie s.
Does the Contiscoot feel like and corner like a round profile? it looks that way.
interesting note on the tube.
Oh I get what you mean with the NyloNove, I'd guess it's the slight flex which also dampens the feel. I'll add that to the footplate video, cheers jono
@@jonoeuc have the contiscoot on my max and S, and its quite difficult to corner hard on the S with it, have to knee lean quite a bit, its fun tho lol. Still playing with pressures to find the sweet spot, coming off the knobby to the conti is a different experience, so lively and twitchy at first but taking time to adjust to gain more confidence on hard corners
Where do you get the 2.5 tube?
Love your videos so informative was wondering if you had any suggestions for a v12 ? Peace and Happy Riding Always GMM
Thankyou Mike!
If I had one, I'd get spiked footplates and power pads. swap out the CST tyre. Probably with a knobby or hybrid if you're hitting trails.
The water proofing is excellent but i'd inspect it during the tyre change.
It has a tough rim so the tyre pressure can be a tad lower. This improves the ride according to Chooch. Chooch was the main advocate for the V12 so it's worth seeing his videos.
Cheers!
I found this vid very tiring 🤣
Great info, I can understand why this is very important to with this being your main mode of transportation.
Cheers
oh no! did it seem too long or information overload?
Cheers Jono
@@jonoeuc
They are just tires on EUCs and I know they can make a significant difference in a ride. But I'm thinking should have been a 10min vid to get the main points across IMHO.
Cheers
@@jonoeuc i disagree with this random person, anyone can do 10 min video and lots of people have, but the more interesting and hugging videos are the longer indeph ones. thank you that you dont just do boring 10 min videos. i really likes the comparison videos shown to Illustrate your points btw. i have the s22 with stock tire, and i agree with everything you described to be bad about the nobby (having 1600km on it). but opposite to you, i went with the shinko 244 because besides the better street performance, i also wanted better mud capability. itll arrive in 1 week hopefully.
Pense tu qu'on peut faire du tubeless avec la sherman s ?
Yes! my buddy Mathieu has a video on that. It requires minor modifications. He has reported a pressure loss of about 2 to 3psi every week. I'm concerned of cornering too hard and having the tyre 'burp' losing pressure. not sure if that would happen?
ruclips.net/video/P00W9dnxTtQ/видео.htmlsi=OZjU7PsN-1_2Fh9J
i've now done about 300km with the Shinko 244 on the Sherman-S, i'd say that it's a very good compromise between the Michelin and Stock Kenda tire, it corners better than the kenda but not as good as the Michelin, the Shinko 244 noise level is about the same as the Kenda but with a lot lower pitch so a lot less noticeable, think of this like a hoard of mosquitos vs Bees
It would be tempting to reinstall the Michelin but offroading on EUC's is so much fun, I'll do a review video this week !
hey thanks for the update! sounds solid. In your review, Can you touch on the roundness/progressiveness/linearity when cornering and how to centre the tyre when installing (if you were able)
cheers!
@@jonoeuc Thank you for the idea, will do my best, i'm converted to tubeless so i think that's the reason that the tire is so well centered,
All i did is to put a lot of lubricant on the bead when inflating, then the tire centered itself, that is more a problem when installing with tubes
So you used the exact same michelin pilot street tyre with the SS as with the V11?
Yes! The comments are very similar between the videos too. Except the SS power is better able to handle the tyre.
@@jonoeuc Damn…i pulled the trigger and bought one yesterday. The tyre change seems like such a pain in the ass tho.
Salut l'ami je voulais savoir si tu avais un lien pour l'acheter ? stp merçi
Hi Maca, here is the link where I bought it from if you're in Australia -->
www.bikebiz.com.au/products/michelin-80-90-14-46s-pilot-street-2-front-or-rear-tyre
translation for others "Hi friend I wanted to know if you have a link to buy it? please thank you"
as a cyclist, i know a lot about rolling resistance and ride quality. Curious to hear more about range. That new tyre should give you more range, not less, it's strange. I wouldnt upgrade for a tyre that gives me less grip, is less of an all rounder, and reduces my range: that would feel like a downgrade. I have a Veteran Sherman with the stock knobby tyre.
Hey Pier, good points and I see the apparent contradiction. I'll see if I can work through them.
Primarily changed because the street is far more enjoyable and suits the majority of my riding which is on paved surfaces.
Range is extremely variable. With the Michelin I'm so comfortable which means I accelerate and ride harder, higher top speeds. This highly impacts the range. The tyre pressure is at 30psi vs 35psi on the knobby. So perhaps a retest is needed.
Grip: most of my riding is on paved surfaces so the traction is improved. Although wet grass is death.
Are you looking or tried a different tyre on your sherman?
Hope that clears things up a bit! Cheers jono
@@jonoeuc thanks. Have only used the stock tire. I try to avoid upgradeitis. I use the wheel in mountain areas and it needs to be able to handle snow, as i don't want to change twice a year. Would be curious to try a street tire though for sure.
@@pierrex3226 Solution: (2) wheels, and no waiting to change tire.
I did about 30km with my Michelin street 2, i agree that it should have come from factory this way
100% or at least an option to choose.
I bet you have a good reason for orientating the wheel in the 'Front' position. Could you share?
@@jonoeuc I was pretty sure it was the good orientation but now i'm pretty confused lol
i'd need to deep dive and make slow motion videos rolling in water to see the real effects of direction
Kenda 262 might be dull and boring, but it works very well in snow and even on ice because of that lamelled pattern.
I'm sure riding such rough conditions provides plenty of excitement!
That second hybrid tyre I show Jon using is in snowy conditions too.
Definitely pick the right traction for your conditions, zero snow here in QLD.
Cheers
i've ridden in snow and blizzard so bad that the wind literally stopped (and i have over 7000 km in my legs of EUC riding). I can attest the Sherman w stock tyre grips snow. I did also wipe out on ice in a turn on a mountain pass, but when i got up i couldn't even walk on that road, it was just slippery AF, the tyre was grippier than my shoes.
Great video!!😎 thanks brother!!🙏
O man, leaning the sherman so close to a river... you are a risk taker ;P
I triple checked the stability! (I was still nervous)
ps the SS kickstand is super stable, particularly vs the V11
Leave the Shinko to the side, try the heidenau k66 snowtex 80/90-14, if you can get it down under, and you're all set.
Thanks for the tip, I love the look of the k66.
more street oriented than the Shinko.
It does look difficult to get in AUS but possible for around $200aud shipped for anyone curious.
I'd try that once the Michelin runs out... after maybe a year lol
www.racing-planet.com/tire-heidenau-k66-80-90-14-46p-tl-reinforced-p-391885-1.html
Do they have any in 16
search for 80/90-12 the 12 inch last part is the smaller rim diameter for the smaller 16" eucs.
looking at www.michelin.com.au/motorbike/tyres/michelin-pilot-street-2?tyreSize=12
they only have 90/90-12 which means the diameter is 10mm larger and the width is 9mm more. So it could easily rub if you don't have enough space.
The 16" size is very restrictive for street tyres from what i've seen. Try the forums / facebook for your euc model.
cheers!
Is it safe in rain?
Yes! The only issue was when I was forced into a low spot corner on a bike path. There was silty build up that was slippery as ice. The tyre slid but luckily I didn't go down. Not sure how much a knobby would've helped there.
Michelin tire likes to be at max psi to have predictable turning
Классный обзор, думаю шашки на лысую поменять
enjoy
On the few occasion's that you need real grip i think it's worth having a knobby tire over the street, as we can all agree most riding consist of 90% road riding and 10% off-road as up a steep dirt hill, muddy grassy areas, a park or even sand at the beach where a knobby tire would save you from a face-plant😁🤣
Knobby tire is only better for off road. Motorcycle rd tires are far better on the street.
A street orientated hybrid like the Heidenau K66 80/90-14 46P is probably what i'd try next. This Michelin will likely last for about a year though!
@@jonoeuc I run the K66 80/80 on my S18 & the K66 90/90 on my S22. Very happy with them 👍
Knobby tire is only better for off road, an all terrain is better all around but if you only ride street get a street tire.
@@hatemale1609knobby wins on wet leaves too. Less contact area so it presses harder.
Why every video made is full of it
Can you elaborate?
244 is far better, just my opinion after having both.
Hey I'd appreciate an elaboration if you have the time.
Ps commented the same on the other post.
Heidenau k66
I find this a great duel purpose tire. It performs like a road tire but grips great off road. 👍
that looks excellent! more street oriented than the Shinko.
It does look difficult to get in AUS but possible for around $200aud shipped.
www.racing-planet.com/tire-heidenau-k66-80-90-14-46p-tl-reinforced-p-391885-1.html