Y’know I think it’s interesting, you’re one of the only RUclipsrs I’ve ever seen who endorses his own very old content without calling it weird and cringe. I admire it
@@RaikenXion I mean, by definition it is science fiction. Space operas are a type of science fiction. Just because he wrote it, doesn't mean George Lucas gets to afterwords decide what genre of story it is, that's not how story writing works. If it lines up with the tropes of science fiction, it's science fiction
I genuinely love the idea of a Star Wars "What If?" type series and think it could be very interesting, the only problem I have is that I just don't trust Disney to make it any good. If the series gets made and it turns out to be decent I would be pretty surprised. I've gotten my hopes up only to have them dashed so many times that I don't have any faith in Disney any more.
The EU was always just What-if stories. Just look up Lucas's quotes about them. Thrawn, the Yuuzhan Vong, Mara Jade, Jaycen Solo, none of it was ever canon and no one at Lucas Film said it was Which may be why some fans are so sensitive about this... it just further reinforces that point
I want this, but yea it's a little rough with the current state of things. could be really good, or turn out very poorly (but then again what doesn't these days). I actually own one of the old what if comics which was a collection of OT stories that changed a significant event (such as what if luke didn't land the killing blow on the death star? what if Luke died on hoth? What if Luke stayed on Dagobah to complete his training?... I'm noticing a trend of "what if Luke" lol). They're good reads if you can find them. They would be fun to see as an animated series (because that's probably the best way to handle OT period stories now even if deepfake luke from the Mandalorian is fairly solid, being the focus would probably show the cracks in the system)
@@MrBazBakeold canon was consistent with itself as possible, the only exceptions were the old Comics canon... That was made to F around as what if's, old novel canon was canon except where George wanted to change things, and the YOUNGEST(3-7) kids books were intellect lite and not always true to the canon but rather the learning level.
THIS. Because a "what if" might end up in an "alternate universe", with which Disney just gets the ability to be able to f*** up the original movies or in general f*** up Star Wars TWICE (or again?)...
But that's an issue with Disney, not with the idea of Star Wars what-ifs. No matter what the next Star Wars project was, you'd still not trust them to make it.
My biggest gripe about "what if" is that they have a perfectly good time period that the studio absolutely REFUSES to touch (The Old Repulbic). Why? Fans are clamoring to see Magus, Jace, and Sateele Shan in LA.
My counter argument to that is that The Old Republic is still ongoing. If Disney gets involved it'll muddle the game's story development. And we already have voiced cutscenes of all those characters.
They've been refusing to use literally any timeline that isn't The Skywalker saga until now so It's not just The Old Republic. Since The Acolyte is focusing on The High Republic and a different era for the first time means we're on the right track and I think we're going to start seeing more from now on, especially since The Old Republic is on the official timeline they released.
My one concern with a Star Wars What If, alongside the "what if we had this when Legends was still the main continuity and we were already getting the Infinities stories" feeling, is whether these stories will get the time they might need. Marvel What If? seems to run into this problem where they speedrun through certain key events but sacrifice the smaller details that could make those stories more interesting, and for Star Wars any What If I can think of would almost need more than a typical Marvel What If? episode length.
Dude, you wouldn't watch a what if series without context. And star wars has waaaay less set up than MCU. Also, both are for kids and are understandable by kids. They wouldn't skip anything we wouldn't already know, right?
the fans would still cuss lucas over the prequels. People forget lucas stopped making starwars movies after the fans treatment of the prequels before he sold starwars to disney
I can understand the complaints from the perspective of “why are you making what if scenarios instead of making actual good stories”, like Disney’s track record with Star Wars has been terrible, and making something like a what if series could be a waste of resources instead of making high quality stories in some peoples minds
The What If show sounds like a great idea, but I understand what they mean. The way I see it, it gives us a door into what could have been or lost ideas.
I personally think it's stifling creativity to STICK to the Skywalker saga and just start riffing off it ad infinitum. I much prefer moving onto new territory and characters. Or doing whatever visions did (which i love)
its not the writers that are stuck in the era, its disney, the old execs think the prequels are hated, the sequels are hated, so only 'safe' era is the imperial one.@@shanephillips4011
@@Sondergirl1610 well clearly your sarcasm detector is broken. The High Republic was a failure , both financially and culturally. It didn't stick or resonate with any fans.
@@Sondergirl1610 I disagree: they could have stuck closer to Star Wars Legends and the Solos being more nuanced and have Thrawn appear closer to how he was originally. Sticking the Skywalker saga doesn't stifle creativity when you're writing about future generations: the reasons why the sequels are terrible is because they were intended to be to hate on fans. Besides, there's no reason why you couldn't just have both.
I don’t really mind if we got some stories that are non-canon, some of the best stuff that we got was non-canon, it’s always a good thing to experiment as long as it doesn’t go to far off of the path, it’s always good to have some boundaries, and the perfect path is to always have a balance of both!🙂
Also seems like a great way to involve Ewan and Hayden again for a “what if Anakin didn’t fall to the dark side” story. I’d absolutely love to see that.
@@vsluj3508see a guy in a mask go about killing people and then ultimately getting bitched about by whatever protagonist the story involves. Bit sick of that
Genuinely the best idea. As much as it pains me to say it maybe Star Wars could also end. In my opinion there should only be new Star Wars material if there are new interesting things to do with it, which in my opinion wasn't the case for the sequel trilogy. But Andor had something to say, and Jedi Fallen Order had interesting gameplay ideas to add to Star Wars, unlike the Star Wars Battlefront games. Stop making Star Wars until someone has a great and original idea for it. And if no one does, don't make Star Wars. Its something I've also said about the possibility of another Doom game, and I'm a huge Doom fan.
Remember when Star Wars games and books in the EU were coming out and didn't always fit into canon but were still great things to read/play? that's what i want more of instead of "it has to fit into the Disney Canon" thing
The only canon disney ears has is to trample over the accomplishments of the mainline 6 movies and clone wars series (which has its own issues but is overall decent)
The biggest issue with the Star Wars What if stories is Disney, if Disney wasn't involved I'd fully support this. I don't have confidence in the Disney story writer to make compelling Star Wars.
yeah disney "what if" is more like "what if kylo and luke kissed?" "what if none of the men existed?" instead of "what if 100 Vaders fought 100 Lukes at the same time" which is what fun people want.
I agree. There was a company called west end games that really expanded the starwars universe with there RPG supplements. Funny thing is, most did not envolve Jedi. Some was of it was light hearted, some was as dark as Andor. It would be such a easy low cost way to introduce dozens of new characters and see was fans like and go from there.
@@breakupgoogle every fucking body wants to see what if Thrawn was sucessful and re-organised Empire after Emperor's final demise, but looking at "I shat my pants... just as planned" Disney's version of Thrawn... nah, hard pass on anything not andor-related.
Honestly I don't have strong feelings about many star wars things right now. My only thought is that it seems like a distraction, there is a lot going on and I feel the franchise needs re-focusing. But I generally think less star wars would actually be a good thing, which it seems most people don't agree with. I find it hard to be interested with so many different star wars projects all with varying degrees of quality. I think inconsistency and being spread too thin is star wars and many other franchises biggest problem. That being said I hope people enjoy whatever new stuff does come out.
Right there with you. It often feels like content is cranked out simply for the sake of being cranked out. For me that goes all the way back to the mere announcement of TFA where I thought "As much as I love Star Wars, do I really need another trilogy?"
@@JustVic-92 The Book of Boba Fett could have been a great idea, but watching it felt like they just cranked it out in a month. It was simply there to have more Star Wars content to keep people subbed to Disney +
I agree Star Wars fans need to grow up. They need to grow out of the naivety of being excited for every thing Disney churns out and most importantly, they need to grow up and not put down the fans that (rightfully so) don't have any enthusiasm regarding future projects. Those same fans were cautious and negative about the Kenobi series before it came out and their hunch was right. How many more disasters do we need to get from Disney for the majority of fans to take a step back and draw the line somewhere? So, no Eckhart. I don't need to "grow up" as a Star Wars fan just because my hunch says this will be another one and done, easily forgotten project. And everything I said above, comes with the ultimate respect and love for your content.
Maybe a big problem is that people that make this alternate content try and pass it off as something superior or overriding to the original/canon content? They gotta be like "it's a shame this DIDN'T HAPPEN in the main canon... the Halo fanbase is going through this exact thing with the F#$&+#&Ng TV show right now
6:34 Even though his major Force feats are dwarfed by some of the OP stuff from other eras. Since Luke's first set of students were able to combine their power to launch a FLEET across a Star System and ancient Sith Lords were able to use Force Drain on planetary scales then I can see a Force User being able to REDIRECT an already crashing Star Destroyer. Then for the final boss fights: Starkiller has Force Lightning which is obviously effective against Vader and the novelisation version of Force Unleashed (which I think was an attempt to ground it more in the rest of the universe's scaling) has the Palpatine boss fight last less than 1 PAGE as Palpatine goes straight to the cutscene dialogue after being hit by debris ONCE so it's obvious he was faking it to get Starkiller to fall again.
I wonder if the anger at the notion of "alternate stories" comes from a fear of them devolving into twisted timelines, alternate worlds, cross-overs and other messy 'marvel-like' situations. A sort of, if we allow A, we'll eventually get Z and we don't want Z!
Even in the Lucas days canon wasn’t really a straightforward thing - it was really only in the start of the Disney era that CANON became so concrete, and even Disney has largely moved past that. Creativity is good, weird new stuff is good, it’s good to see new things done with the IP.
It's quite possible to write original great stories while also maintaining Canon. You just have to be a good writer and a good storyteller. It's a ludicrous idea to think you need to break Canon in order to write new stories.
Agreed. And we're not talking about a handful of superheroes in modern times, like the MCU. We're talking about a huge galaxy with a history tens of thousands of years long. There is plenty of opportunity to tell new stories with new characters without breaking canon. Star Wars should move forward and be grander, not stuck retelling the same things over and over. Want to do a What If? Fine, go for it. But at least give us some quality canon stories that expand the franchise at the same time.
It's hard to appreciate something when I hear stuff like this, I'm neutral on a star wars what if, I hope whoever enjoys it is happy. My problem is how Eckhartslatter is so willing to throw away canon as a whole just because 'the story sounds interesting' that's boring to me. Eck used to be so cool until he started talking about things like this, but at the end of the day I wish him well, but after revisiting his channel after unsubscribing 3 years ago I'm I had. I wish you well.
Couldn't disagree with your premise more. The reason the "Star Wars as mythic storytelling" argument exists now is because the continuity has been so poorly handled that Disney is now trying to have its cake and eat it by switching from saying "all of it matters" (circa 2014) to "none of it matters" today. Non/lower tier canon stories have been part of Star Wars since Splinter of the Minds Eye, but the films always used to be one sincere story from start to end. If the last 10 years have taught us anything, it's that more Star Wars definitely isn't better for Star Wars.
i dont think people hate the concept so much they hate disney. look at what has become of the fandom its been ripped asunder by disney and just telling them to get over it is in itself just as childish and lots of Lotr really hate the mordor games
Canon Star Wars fans are like the Jedi Council before and during the Clone Wars. Their rigidity to their code, their in-group, doomed them and the rest of the galaxy.
Why do some fans want a Star Wars What If series? Star Wars has so much potential to go so many different routes. Why not make shows, movies, and video games that aren't related to the main films? Let's have a TV show that's based on the Old Republic, or a trilogy of films based thousands of years after the events of the movies. Just anything that's new, innovative, and can potentially invigorate the fanbase.
Because we ALREADY HAD SW what if stories and now we can see them animated. Again, you don't have knowledge of the comics version of What If so you're just as ignorant as everyone trashing on it. Canon is for chumps!
Yeah, they can do whatever they want with Visions or What Ifs or whatever other ransom idea comes into their heads. Just wish in the meantime they were also making more serious, high quality projects like Andor. For the most part, Star Wars these days has a quality problem. And making a What If series feels like the opposite of addressing that problem.
@@jimdaniels7531 hard to make high quality stuff when majority of SW fans it feels like crave slop, hell im sure you heard some of the people complaining about andor, even I was put of at first from hearing everyone call it boring (still gotta watch it lmao)
@@supersaiyn41 I hear more praise than complaints about it. But I do acknowledge that garbage like Kenobi and Ahsoka are more popular because they’re legacy characters and that’s all they need. But thankfully andor is green lot for one more season and that’s better than having multiple seasons to drag on or fear of cancelation.
@davemac9563 Having watched andor since that comment I gotta say I hope we get other shows like it, that and it was mostly YT comments I saw of people complaining lol
One thing I think many Wha If skeptics are maybe missing is the series might unshackle Disney itself from where it’s at, allow some new creatives and new seeds of stories to take root. Whether or not we cherish the canon or find it restrictive, it seems clear that Disney is in a rut with the material. IMHO, a really good What If series might help get some things back on track. I don’t see it hurting.
The Star Wars Infinites comics were really good so I'm all for a "What If" series ... or even better a Tag and Bink series, another great non canon comic series.
#AskEck What do we know of the development of the Venator? Was it ready at the outset of the Clone Wars or did it enter service sometime after it began? And what did the Republic Navy have before the Venator (and by extension, the Victory) came into service that could stand up to Seperatist capital ships? Lore ship Versus video request: Resurgent vs. Starhawk Tie Striker vs. New Republic V-Wing World Devastator vs. Vong Worldship Tie Silencer vs. X-83 Twintail Tie Silencer vs. Tie Defender (legends version) Keldabe vs. ISD II MC90 vs. Nebula class star destroyer Nebula class vs. Pellaeon class Majestic class vs. Bothan Assault Cruiser EAWX: FOTR’s Mandator II portrayal vs. Subjugator Praetor vs. Subjugator EAWX: TR’s Mediator portrayal vs. Resurgent Starhawk vs. Bulwark MK III Gargantua/Aratech 520 Battle Platform vs. A6 Juggernaut
The venator was developed on the same path as the rest of the GAR's equipment. The kaminoans contracted Rothana, Kuat, and other manufacturers to collaborate, making everything ready for the clones to deploy right away
@@minecrafter3448 talking about Star destroyer sized vessels (1-2 km length). Acclamators were heavy cruisers at 750 meters and were more assault troop transport, not an actual frontline combatant (at least those the Republic had in the beginning of the war, not counting the later acclamator 2’s)
As soon as someone uses the phrase "shackle ourselves to cannon," that's when people get worried. Most of the modern creative space seems to hate playing within any lore or guideline, I think you're missing the larger background as to why people are negative towards a SW What-If.
There's nothing inherently wrong with "What if" stories. The difference in this case is - the ability to stick to A canon is part of the necessary craft of creating a cohesive universe for a series setting. Whoever has been in charge of Star Wars for the last ten years has allowed this skill to atrophy, and they don't need another avenue to excuse this lack of ability.
One Star Wars what if that i would absolutely LOVE is the actual deathtrooper virus to spread throughout the galaxy with the galactic war ending, or at least ceasing because the virus is that bad. It would be an AWESOME game adaptation, it could add a lot to the zombie game genre
'What If' Star Wars. My main issue is a complete lack of trust in the current people making the decisions regarding the SW franchise regarding the characters and what happens. Other than The Mandalorian's first 2 seasons, it seems like the Powers That Be have decided that all main characters will be Boss Babes Mary Sues that have very little personality and a dislike for male characters. If that wasn't a concern, I'd say "Bring on the 'SW What Ifs!!'". But it is a large concern so I say, "Meh. I can't wait to not watch it."
Finally someone mentioned The Star Wars. 6 issue comic for George's original idea for the galaxy far far away. I highly suggest reading them even though the project was never given a sequel. Its still interesting to hear and read the names of characters, but they are in different bodies. The Knights of the Sith were just badass and needed a deep dive
Let me start by saying your point of view isn't wrong - we have gotten some great content over the years by going outside the main storyline. We've even gotten new eras of content thanks to this (Kotor eras being a prime example). But... I think you're missing why people are also correctly upset. You have how many shows teased and cancelled, projects shelved. You have so many nearly blank slate periods within Star Wars that do leave plenty open for interpretation and creativity. People have one or two of those that are dear to so many of them - some of which were teased, then abandoned. So seeing funds go to "let's be creative" when the COULD HAVE gone to "let's be creative" within the era those fans are passionate about just hurts. There's no less room for creativity within said timeline and just having a standalone doesn't GUARANTEE as much meaningfulness from the story for them. Like I loved Clone Wars minus about 3 arcs which I felt betrayed thematics, logic, etc. established elsewhere. But I couldn't get into Rebels. I don't hate it, nor think people can't love the show. It's just with the 2 million other "jedi survived order 66 and starts a rebellion" stories out there - Force Unleashed being 1 of them - and it's more middle school tone early in the series, I couldn't get into it. So it's fine. I don't hate they made it or anything. But I personally would have liked to see something else with the budget - like a Rogue Squadron or Wraith Squadron series... even if they didn't follow any of the legends books beyond having a Wedge Antilles. So it's like that for most people I'd guess. Except even moreso because some other storylines have been teased and then dropped. So you feel like... that series I really wanted to see is being sacrificed to give us little blips that may or may not be cool and don't add to the overall story. That's an understandable point of complaint.
I don't think it's the concept of a "What If?' star wars series that people hate. It's the fact that it's a Disney star wars 'what if?' series that has us worried.
The first tweet is absolutely right, why put the time and effort into making something that isn’t canon anyway, when you could repair the problematic parts of canon?
Because repairing canon doesn't work. Fate of the Jedi tried to fix Legacy of the Force, but it just ended up being a bandaid on a festering wound. It won't change what people hate about the Disney stories.
@@PrinceDaemonTargaryen whats the point of "good stories" if they are in an alternate timeline that doesn't matter? Lets say you yourself can go into another timeline which is better in every way. Why would you care about this world? Its not the one you started with, its meaningless
@cesruhf2605 this alternate world you're talking about is the one we started with. C-canon is the orginal continuation of star wars Post rotj. Its just as meaningless as current canon. I don't understand this obsession with canon restriction you're gonna have fun then when you hear about star wars infinities.
There's a difference between "What If" stories and "Non-canon stories". Something being non-canon just means the creator wanted to create something that ended up incompatible with the original canon, but still had its own merits. The "What If" idea is just cashing in on nostalgia for the original work, like "hey fans, remember this? Now how about 'this but different'!". It also requires a much higher suspension of disbelief, since you're not only accepting the fantasy world, but also the logic that two wildly different scenarios would just happen to result in all the same major plot points. Just make a non-canon story if the original content is constraining you. As an example, having a "What if Anakin never fell to the dark side?" episode could be anywhere from "Sides with Mace and kills Palpatine immediately and the entire OT doesn't exist" to "Is killed by palpatine immediately and the entire OT doesn't exist" but the writers have to choose every series of events that constrain the remaining story to still remain as close to what happens in the original trilogy, otherwise we lose any reference for comparison. It always ends up feeling forced.
I'm sorry, why are people butthurt about a SW "What If?" series? Hasn't the IP basically had exactly this for ages via comics, etc. that told this kind of content? It sounds like they're hung up on the label of "what if?" and what that implies mainly. It's no different than other content we already have within SW that doesn't fit with canon or old EU continuity.
I think for many people, it's the fact so much was left unknown in the canon. There's thousands of years from the Old Republic, to the First Order. There should be no end to the series, movies, and books that could be made; yet Disney would rather sweep it all under and start new. I'm not opposed to seeing more Star Wars on the big screen, but I definitely think Disney could have done way more with current canon before moving on. So many things about the existing universe I wanna know, and now they're moving on to hypothetical stories that have no relation. I'm not mad, just disappointed.
In a perfect world, Star Wars would have been public domain by now. I would love to see Star Wars taken COMPLETELY off the rails of canon and ANYONE make whatever kind of story they want in any media format, regardless of whether or not it steps on the toes of the "official" ones. Alas, I will almost certainly be long dead before then. If you want to be mad at Disney for something, be mad at them for extending copyright laws so egregiously in the name of corporate greed. Also, people forget that all those stories and eras in the Legends continuity took DECADES to fully flesh out. The current canon hasn't even been around for ten full years yet, let alone nearly forty. Patience, Padawans.
“Overly tied to the idea of canon” If a fictional setting lacks canon, it can then be everything, lacking anything approaching realistic limits. In other words, it becomes pointless. I personally am approaching apathy of all Disney Star Wars, and couldn’t care less about a “what if” thing. But Ecks attack on those who defended canon needed to be addressed.
@@PrinceDaemonTargaryenI was addressing that Ecks statement implies heavily that canonicity is irrelevant. Much like the Templin Institute did for their “why there should be female space marines in 40k” video, despite the fact it has been deemed impossible by the rules of the setting. I fear Ecks is going down a path I cannot follow
@slb797 I mean I didn't really pick up on that his main example with shadow of war was more not every story has to be canon rather than canon should be disregarded.
“What If” was never a problem to me. In fact, I think that disgruntled fans should be more in favor of it, because it allows more Star Wars content without the worry of any effect on the original canon.
@@PrinceDaemonTargaryen I just finished the Survivor's Quest audiobook, and it ended with hard foreshadowing that a clone of Thrawn was still alive. I have to imagine that would have been followed up on if Zahn had gotten the chance to write that story. So I'm all on board for it.
The sad thing is, after all the bullshit Disney has fed us, long time fans just don’t have faith in the creators anymore. The first thing we think of is the further degradation the main characters that made this movie great. We would LOVE to see what-ifs if we knew it would be taken care of with the love that the EU created.
All RUclips revenue is down! Patreon is becoming the only source of income. We love you, keep making amazing content! Also, I’m so excited for what if for Star Wars. I don’t understand how people can be mad over a what if story. I think they would be able to make a great story, legends can be such a great outlet for people to tell stories that don’t need to be tied down to cannon. What if is an amazing show and if it’s anything as good as marvels it will be a great watch.
A pretty popular youtube genre are the star wars what if channels. A lot of people have been thinking itd be fun, but since it's disney making them, theyre now complaining about it
The What If stuff sounds like they're running away from the mess they made. I was done giving Disney second chances years ago. If this turns out to be great storytelling, minus The Message, then I'll be the first to congratulate Disney. But I'm not getting excited one bit.
I feel like the negative reaction is a result of Disney selecting their audience. There WAS a space for weird and interesting "what if" stories...it was called 'Legends', but when Disney bought the franchise they went razed earth on that, so the people who liked that part would feel disengaged (and maybe a bit insulted), which just leaves the people that care about the 'canon' story. For you to do that and then go "...Hey? what if we had a Tv series telling a bunch of 'what if' stories" is kind of a slap in the face.
In my opinion I do think 'Canon' is important because that sets the rules somewhat when it comes down to what can and cannot happen. It gives a frame for the story to exist and such where then you can see characters do things and know what they can and cannot do. How the Force works, how a blaster reacts to a lightsaber, certain creatures effect the Force, ect. What I think IS the problem is people are somewhat annoyed at how the previous movies somewhat squandered opportunity to do something new or even utilize the old effectively. This then means they would feel that a focus on an "If" series makes any sort of investment in the 'main' timeline or what have you even lessened because then why does it matter? That timeline is bad and timeline 2 is better! Ect ect. This is at least what I see. TLDR: A love of Canon is fine. I just think IMO fans are more upset at the fumbling of the 'Main Story' and feel that focusing on What If scenarios is iffy when they could put that creative attention on the 'Main Story/Timeline' instead.
I’m interested in Star Wars what if, but it is worrying to see the Marvel-ifying of Star Wars, more so in the Mando movie. To watch that movie, you’ll have to watch all 3 seasons of Mando, to understand the gap of season 2-3 you have to watch Boba Fett, to watch that you have to watch episode 5 and therefore episode 4, and it’s just too much. I’m genuinely quite scared of Star Wars going down the path of marvel, eventually becoming an empty husk just producing garbage for money, and the Mando movie combined with this seems to me like that’s where we’re heading
I’d like to see a What If, but I see where people are coming from. It will be INSANELY annoying if they give us some of the things we’ve been asking for relentlessly in a What If timeline
Sorry Eck, but that entire section of "we shouldn't bind ourselves to canon so we can let our creativity flourish" is exactly the thinking that produced the sequel trilogy and decanonized the EU. "Oh, those 40 years of storytelling? That goes in the trash now so we can do what we want." But what makes you wrong about this, is that it really just takes a bare minimum of effort to have an original, creative vision, and have it fit with canon. The Star Wars galaxy has like 30,000+ years of history to play with, plus anything set in the far future, in a massive galaxy. Most of the Visions stories could all be canon, just set in unknown periods of galactic history. The conceit of "What If" storytelling is making the universe smaller, focusing on these same characters and periods everybody already knows but trying to alter them to recapture faded interest, all while saying "well it doesn't really matter anyway". It's the Marvelization of Star Wars, and people are so negative on it because they see it for the unoriginal corporate cash-grab that it is. By the way you're wrong about The Force Unleashed as well, even releasing so wildly late into the publishing history of the EU (to the point that II left on a cliffhanger and was never followed up on because the game was cut because of the impending buyout) it is referenced elsewhere and didn't break canon - Force Sensitive Clones were already a thing in the EU and could be successful at times.
I'm really proud to see that you're taking such a mature stance. I'm glad I still follow your channel. you're one of the few star wars youtubers who I feel like actually wants the franchise to move forward
By now, we fans are fully aware that any What If alternative version of the lore will not be chosen and made because it's an interesting change for telling a good fresh story, but with the intent of sending a message, preaching to the fans, provoke a reaction by some fans so they can use it for marketing purposes, change things for inclusivity and diversity or just for the sake of changing. Will I give it a chance? Of course I will. But don't ask me to be excited.
KOTOR 1 and 2 should get TV adaptations. Films would force so much of the side missions/crew banter to get cut into a 2.5/3 hour movie that would feel too convoluted if too much is covered for one game's storyline. I played those games when I was around 11 and came back to finish them in my twenties. That's the kind of staying power that's been missing for a while, and if that were captured on TV, it would make for one hell of a run.
The problem I have is that I have zero faith that Lucasfilm can tell a story without it inevitably turning to "And this is how Main Character learns what it really means to be Jedi". I want more, mature, well written and well thought out stories - about people that don't become Jedi. Andor (and Rogue One) was a step in the right direction, but we need to start seeing more. So, I agree - Star Wars needs to grow up. And the first people that need to grow up are the Lucasfilm execs and the writers, directors, and producers they hire.
As someone who's seen Star Wars Theory's What if fan fiction videos, I'd love to see an official series on this, especially since I've really enjoyed the Marvel 'What if' show and so seeing stuff like 'What if Anakin defeated Obi-wan' or 'What if Luke and Leia were swapped at birth' and so on, would be cool and something a bit different. Plus, with Canon currently being a bit of a letdown right now, it would be a nice change of pace, aside from Visions, of course.
I will disagree. I think emulating Marvel has led to a lot of the major issues with Disney Star Wars. In theory, I like a "What If?" storyline. I really want to see a "good ending" to Revenge of the Sith. But I do think Star Wars needs to stick to a single canon timeline. Marvel has lost its appeal to me because there are no stakes any more. We wrote a bad storyline? Oops, Scarlet Witch just lost her mind again and everything got reset!
The thing that makes me mad is that a Star Wars What If show may stifle the story telling ability of all the Star Wars RUclipsrs that have been creating for years. Disney will start head hunting these people and do things that will end the endless amount of content on RUclips.
The SCP universe is a great example of how stories that take place out of canon can be compelling. With such a wide range of articles, characters, and the implications of the authors' writing, it would be impossible to keep everything straight. SCP readers are encouraged to create their own canons and understandings of that universe in a way that makes them happy. I think that applying such a mentality to more media would be neat. Star Wars already has that a little bit, jumping between Legends and Disney canon.
I don't want a Star Wars What If. The reason why, we already have Visions. If the Star Wars What If is a CGI cartoon like how Marvel What if is presented, that would be a major step back. I would much prefer letting the different artists in Visions continue to bring new stories to life through their varied animation styles. TL;DR: Less content more variety.
I do agree, with the caveat that the times that not following canon bother me are the times when it’s unnecessary for the story and hard to picture how it could have come about if the writer of the story cared about what they were doing (I personally think that while this does happen it is very rare)
My big problem is that it seems like they don't know what they're doing with the main stories. At that point, "What-if" feels like an attempt to work on their flawed storytelling version of star wars without incurring criticism, which is, of course, not a thing. There will always be criticism.
Uh, acshuweally, age is a number going up once a year. It is not an experience of “growing up,” but aging. Which are 2 different things. Existing is to be a fan of living and living is to be fan of creations that sparks imagination. Star Wars being one of them.
But isn't 'Star Wars: Visions" already a "What If?" series, more or less? Personally, I don't mind such a series, as long as my 'Real' Star Wars remains unaffected by the 'What If?" episodes (wish the Sequels could be made 'What If?".....yeah, I said it.....😅) They could even do like Marvel 'What If?" is doing, and continue on stories that are popular, but only in that setting (we have seen 'Captain Carter' appear in several connected episodes so far).
As someone who preferred "Legends continuity" I think it's cool, and gives me hope characters that got tossed aside like Darth Krayt, Darth Talon, and others might get more appearances. I think new Thrawn is a bit less rational and imposing, but still happy to see him being a big bad.
I think the what if stories will actual improve the canon stories. They could give canon stories a bit more time to be produced and make up the difference with the what ifs.
Terms like World between Worlds (WbW) generally implies alternate realities, and they have already done that in the new canon with the Rebels WbW episode. And as you said, Star Wars has always had official non-canon and alternate timelines stories. So why now is it OK for Lucasfilm to blow money on non-canon stories and possible alternate versions of new canon, but yet making the old EU continuity officially an alternate timeline essentially for free a bad idea? Meanwhile, according to Lucas, only his movies are canon, everything else being alternate universe as they written by other people and they at Lucasfilm developed the tiered canon system back then with each subsequent lower tier representing an alternate universe that had to fit with the higher tiers in order to be inline with Lucas’ version of canon. It’s like people willfully choose to ignore this.
Think of all the awesome characters, stories, and moments we got from games like Knights of the Old Republic and The Old Republic. Not exactly what if scenarios, but events that were not shackled by the mainline canon. I really want more of that than just every Star Wars story being tied to The Clone Wars, Palpatine, or The Rebels.
Y’know I think it’s interesting, you’re one of the only RUclipsrs I’ve ever seen who endorses his own very old content without calling it weird and cringe. I admire it
He also doesn't take himself or the SW franchise too seriously. We love the universe, but it's still science fiction.
@@RaikenXionIt doesn’t matter what he calls it. It’s science fiction with spiritual commentary.
Why is it not fantasy?
@@mihajlo961xprobably closer to science fantasy. It has elements used in science fiction , but has a more fantasy bent
@@RaikenXion I mean, by definition it is science fiction. Space operas are a type of science fiction. Just because he wrote it, doesn't mean George Lucas gets to afterwords decide what genre of story it is, that's not how story writing works. If it lines up with the tropes of science fiction, it's science fiction
I genuinely love the idea of a Star Wars "What If?" type series and think it could be very interesting, the only problem I have is that I just don't trust Disney to make it any good. If the series gets made and it turns out to be decent I would be pretty surprised. I've gotten my hopes up only to have them dashed so many times that I don't have any faith in Disney any more.
The EU was always just What-if stories. Just look up Lucas's quotes about them. Thrawn, the Yuuzhan Vong, Mara Jade, Jaycen Solo, none of it was ever canon and no one at Lucas Film said it was
Which may be why some fans are so sensitive about this... it just further reinforces that point
I want this, but yea it's a little rough with the current state of things. could be really good, or turn out very poorly (but then again what doesn't these days). I actually own one of the old what if comics which was a collection of OT stories that changed a significant event (such as what if luke didn't land the killing blow on the death star? what if Luke died on hoth? What if Luke stayed on Dagobah to complete his training?... I'm noticing a trend of "what if Luke" lol). They're good reads if you can find them. They would be fun to see as an animated series (because that's probably the best way to handle OT period stories now even if deepfake luke from the Mandalorian is fairly solid, being the focus would probably show the cracks in the system)
@@MrBazBakeold canon was consistent with itself as possible, the only exceptions were the old Comics canon... That was made to F around as what if's, old novel canon was canon except where George wanted to change things, and the YOUNGEST(3-7) kids books were intellect lite and not always true to the canon but rather the learning level.
THIS. Because a "what if" might end up in an "alternate universe", with which Disney just gets the ability to be able to f*** up the original movies or in general f*** up Star Wars TWICE (or again?)...
But that's an issue with Disney, not with the idea of Star Wars what-ifs. No matter what the next Star Wars project was, you'd still not trust them to make it.
"This is insane, we've got Yoda crashing the death star into Coruscant" is not a sentence I was expecting to hear today lmao
My biggest gripe about "what if" is that they have a perfectly good time period that the studio absolutely REFUSES to touch (The Old Repulbic). Why? Fans are clamoring to see Magus, Jace, and Sateele Shan in LA.
Heh I read that as Star Wars characters in Los Angeles
My counter argument to that is that The Old Republic is still ongoing. If Disney gets involved it'll muddle the game's story development. And we already have voiced cutscenes of all those characters.
They've been refusing to use literally any timeline that isn't The Skywalker saga until now so It's not just The Old Republic. Since The Acolyte is focusing on The High Republic and a different era for the first time means we're on the right track and I think we're going to start seeing more from now on, especially since The Old Republic is on the official timeline they released.
Careful what you wish for
@PhoenixLord777 Nope. High Republic is 200 years before the prequels. Old Republic is 3500-5000 years before the prequels.
My one concern with a Star Wars What If, alongside the "what if we had this when Legends was still the main continuity and we were already getting the Infinities stories" feeling, is whether these stories will get the time they might need. Marvel What If? seems to run into this problem where they speedrun through certain key events but sacrifice the smaller details that could make those stories more interesting, and for Star Wars any What If I can think of would almost need more than a typical Marvel What If? episode length.
Dude, you wouldn't watch a what if series without context. And star wars has waaaay less set up than MCU. Also, both are for kids and are understandable by kids. They wouldn't skip anything we wouldn't already know, right?
@@RaikenXion least schizophrenic RUclips comment
I got the perfect idea for a what if: George Lucas never selling Star Wars to Disney
the fans would still cuss lucas over the prequels. People forget lucas stopped making starwars movies after the fans treatment of the prequels before he sold starwars to disney
I can understand the complaints from the perspective of “why are you making what if scenarios instead of making actual good stories”, like Disney’s track record with Star Wars has been terrible, and making something like a what if series could be a waste of resources instead of making high quality stories in some peoples minds
plus those what ifs stories will probably still be trash even with "more creativity"
That is precisely my problem. They haven’t proven they can make good canon. Focus on that.
Video starts at 1:03
Thanks so much
The What If show sounds like a great idea, but I understand what they mean. The way I see it, it gives us a door into what could have been or lost ideas.
like what if the entire sequel trilogy wasn't absolute garbage?
Its a waste of resources that is just used for easy member berry shit.
@@Th3JokerSlaughtThe show hasn’t even been announced bruh what are you talking about
@@chewy99. Whoops wrong video
What if he fell to sand instead?
I personally think it's stifling creativity to STICK to the Skywalker saga and just start riffing off it ad infinitum.
I much prefer moving onto new territory and characters. Or doing whatever visions did (which i love)
its not the writers that are stuck in the era, its disney, the old execs think the prequels are hated, the sequels are hated, so only 'safe' era is the imperial one.@@shanephillips4011
Oh you mean like the High Republic? Yeah, that's a great example right?
@@LtCaveman absolutely. I hope they make more "big" media in it after alcolyte .
@@Sondergirl1610 well clearly your sarcasm detector is broken. The High Republic was a failure , both financially and culturally. It didn't stick or resonate with any fans.
@@Sondergirl1610 I disagree: they could have stuck closer to Star Wars Legends and the Solos being more nuanced and have Thrawn appear closer to how he was originally. Sticking the Skywalker saga doesn't stifle creativity when you're writing about future generations: the reasons why the sequels are terrible is because they were intended to be to hate on fans.
Besides, there's no reason why you couldn't just have both.
I don’t really mind if we got some stories that are non-canon, some of the best stuff that we got was non-canon, it’s always a good thing to experiment as long as it doesn’t go to far off of the path, it’s always good to have some boundaries, and the perfect path is to always have a balance of both!🙂
What do you mean “too far off the path”?
@@chewy99. the roots that makes Star Wars iconic!🙂
@@joshfoustcommunity8928 Ah ok
Also seems like a great way to involve Ewan and Hayden again for a “what if Anakin didn’t fall to the dark side” story.
I’d absolutely love to see that.
Hell no I rather just see more darth vader
@@vsluj3508see a guy in a mask go about killing people and then ultimately getting bitched about by whatever protagonist the story involves. Bit sick of that
Did not say that I like the format they do it in. They'r scripts and protagonsits are trash. Vader tho is cool.@@LMaximus904
Congratulations Disney: you made us "Grow up"
You literally made millions of fans leave Star Wars behind.
Weird, you sound like a cry baby 🤔
Huh, it just made me appreciate Legends. Guess my love for Star Wars was more than those millions.
@@MLPGamer44 Weird you sound like an even bigger cry baby. 🤔
When you literally only read the title and jump right in the comment
@@slimetank394 nah.
Listened to the video.
What if... Star Wars took a break?
Genuinely the best idea. As much as it pains me to say it maybe Star Wars could also end. In my opinion there should only be new Star Wars material if there are new interesting things to do with it, which in my opinion wasn't the case for the sequel trilogy. But Andor had something to say, and Jedi Fallen Order had interesting gameplay ideas to add to Star Wars, unlike the Star Wars Battlefront games. Stop making Star Wars until someone has a great and original idea for it. And if no one does, don't make Star Wars. Its something I've also said about the possibility of another Doom game, and I'm a huge Doom fan.
@@michaelandreipalon359 It's not often I hear G Gundam mentioned in a Star Wars video, just wanted to say I will defend that anime til the day I die.
Remember when Star Wars games and books in the EU were coming out and didn't always fit into canon but were still great things to read/play? that's what i want more of instead of "it has to fit into the Disney Canon" thing
The only canon disney ears has is to trample over the accomplishments of the mainline 6 movies and clone wars series (which has its own issues but is overall decent)
Not wrong@@IRMentat
The biggest issue with the Star Wars What if stories is Disney, if Disney wasn't involved I'd fully support this. I don't have confidence in the Disney story writer to make compelling Star Wars.
same for me
yeah disney "what if" is more like "what if kylo and luke kissed?" "what if none of the men existed?"
instead of "what if 100 Vaders fought 100 Lukes at the same time" which is what fun people want.
I agree. There was a company called west end games that really expanded the starwars universe with there RPG supplements. Funny thing is, most did not envolve Jedi. Some was of it was light hearted, some was as dark as Andor. It would be such a easy low cost way to introduce dozens of new characters and see was fans like and go from there.
Exactly! A legitimate concern to have, and yet Eck just labels that as “SW fans whining and not growing up” for some reason. 😅
@@breakupgoogle every fucking body wants to see what if Thrawn was sucessful and re-organised Empire after Emperor's final demise, but looking at "I shat my pants... just as planned" Disney's version of Thrawn... nah, hard pass on anything not andor-related.
Honestly I don't have strong feelings about many star wars things right now. My only thought is that it seems like a distraction, there is a lot going on and I feel the franchise needs re-focusing. But I generally think less star wars would actually be a good thing, which it seems most people don't agree with. I find it hard to be interested with so many different star wars projects all with varying degrees of quality. I think inconsistency and being spread too thin is star wars and many other franchises biggest problem. That being said I hope people enjoy whatever new stuff does come out.
Right there with you. It often feels like content is cranked out simply for the sake of being cranked out. For me that goes all the way back to the mere announcement of TFA where I thought "As much as I love Star Wars, do I really need another trilogy?"
@@JustVic-92 The Book of Boba Fett could have been a great idea, but watching it felt like they just cranked it out in a month. It was simply there to have more Star Wars content to keep people subbed to Disney +
I agree Star Wars fans need to grow up. They need to grow out of the naivety of being excited for every thing Disney churns out and most importantly, they need to grow up and not put down the fans that (rightfully so) don't have any enthusiasm regarding future projects.
Those same fans were cautious and negative about the Kenobi series before it came out and their hunch was right.
How many more disasters do we need to get from Disney for the majority of fans to take a step back and draw the line somewhere?
So, no Eckhart. I don't need to "grow up" as a Star Wars fan just because my hunch says this will be another one and done, easily forgotten project.
And everything I said above, comes with the ultimate respect and love for your content.
I believe ppl are upset about what if’s cuz Disney will fuck it up as they always do
man u so called fans are deluded
Maybe a big problem is that people that make this alternate content try and pass it off as something superior or overriding to the original/canon content? They gotta be like "it's a shame this DIDN'T HAPPEN in the main canon... the Halo fanbase is going through this exact thing with the F#$&+#&Ng TV show right now
6:34 Even though his major Force feats are dwarfed by some of the OP stuff from other eras. Since Luke's first set of students were able to combine their power to launch a FLEET across a Star System and ancient Sith Lords were able to use Force Drain on planetary scales then I can see a Force User being able to REDIRECT an already crashing Star Destroyer. Then for the final boss fights: Starkiller has Force Lightning which is obviously effective against Vader and the novelisation version of Force Unleashed (which I think was an attempt to ground it more in the rest of the universe's scaling) has the Palpatine boss fight last less than 1 PAGE as Palpatine goes straight to the cutscene dialogue after being hit by debris ONCE so it's obvious he was faking it to get Starkiller to fall again.
I wonder if the anger at the notion of "alternate stories" comes from a fear of them devolving into twisted timelines, alternate worlds, cross-overs and other messy 'marvel-like' situations. A sort of, if we allow A, we'll eventually get Z and we don't want Z!
Even in the Lucas days canon wasn’t really a straightforward thing - it was really only in the start of the Disney era that CANON became so concrete, and even Disney has largely moved past that. Creativity is good, weird new stuff is good, it’s good to see new things done with the IP.
It's quite possible to write original great stories while also maintaining Canon. You just have to be a good writer and a good storyteller. It's a ludicrous idea to think you need to break Canon in order to write new stories.
Agreed. And we're not talking about a handful of superheroes in modern times, like the MCU. We're talking about a huge galaxy with a history tens of thousands of years long. There is plenty of opportunity to tell new stories with new characters without breaking canon. Star Wars should move forward and be grander, not stuck retelling the same things over and over. Want to do a What If? Fine, go for it. But at least give us some quality canon stories that expand the franchise at the same time.
It's hard to appreciate something when I hear stuff like this, I'm neutral on a star wars what if, I hope whoever enjoys it is happy. My problem is how Eckhartslatter is so willing to throw away canon as a whole just because 'the story sounds interesting' that's boring to me. Eck used to be so cool until he started talking about things like this, but at the end of the day I wish him well, but after revisiting his channel after unsubscribing 3 years ago I'm I had.
I wish you well.
Couldn't disagree with your premise more.
The reason the "Star Wars as mythic storytelling" argument exists now is because the continuity has been so poorly handled that Disney is now trying to have its cake and eat it by switching from saying "all of it matters" (circa 2014) to "none of it matters" today.
Non/lower tier canon stories have been part of Star Wars since Splinter of the Minds Eye, but the films always used to be one sincere story from start to end.
If the last 10 years have taught us anything, it's that more Star Wars definitely isn't better for Star Wars.
Time? We’ve all been going to Warhammer 40k. The Heresy is also in full swing, what a time to be alive
i dont think people hate the concept so much they hate disney. look at what has become of the fandom its been ripped asunder by disney and just telling them to get over it is in itself just as childish and lots of Lotr really hate the mordor games
Canon Star Wars fans are like the Jedi Council before and during the Clone Wars. Their rigidity to their code, their in-group, doomed them and the rest of the galaxy.
Why do some fans want a Star Wars What If series? Star Wars has so much potential to go so many different routes. Why not make shows, movies, and video games that aren't related to the main films? Let's have a TV show that's based on the Old Republic, or a trilogy of films based thousands of years after the events of the movies. Just anything that's new, innovative, and can potentially invigorate the fanbase.
Because we ALREADY HAD SW what if stories and now we can see them animated. Again, you don't have knowledge of the comics version of What If so you're just as ignorant as everyone trashing on it. Canon is for chumps!
@@LtCaveman "Canon is for chumps!" says the chump with adhd and no passion/care for star wars
If Emperor Palpatine was a nice guy: a Star wars story.
Recently Andor was the glimmer of hope for Star Wars for me. A new hope we should call it
Yeah, they can do whatever they want with Visions or What Ifs or whatever other ransom idea comes into their heads. Just wish in the meantime they were also making more serious, high quality projects like Andor. For the most part, Star Wars these days has a quality problem. And making a What If series feels like the opposite of addressing that problem.
@@jimdaniels7531 hard to make high quality stuff when majority of SW fans it feels like crave slop, hell im sure you heard some of the people complaining about andor, even I was put of at first from hearing everyone call it boring (still gotta watch it lmao)
@@supersaiyn41 I hear more praise than complaints about it. But I do acknowledge that garbage like Kenobi and Ahsoka are more popular because they’re legacy characters and that’s all they need. But thankfully andor is green lot for one more season and that’s better than having multiple seasons to drag on or fear of cancelation.
@davemac9563 Having watched andor since that comment I gotta say I hope we get other shows like it, that and it was mostly YT comments I saw of people complaining lol
One thing I think many Wha If skeptics are maybe missing is the series might unshackle Disney itself from where it’s at, allow some new creatives and new seeds of stories to take root. Whether or not we cherish the canon or find it restrictive, it seems clear that Disney is in a rut with the material. IMHO, a really good What If series might help get some things back on track. I don’t see it hurting.
I love the idea of a What If series. It could be a lot of fun. The only serious criticism I would have is if they try to do the multiverse thing.
Agreed. What ifs in Star Wars is actually a cool idea and has already happened, but giving it the multiverse tropes I don’t think would work so well.
The ultimate question: What if Anakin didn't turn over to the sith side?
all i’ve wanted forever is a modern version of tartakovsky’s clone wars grievous, i know he’s never getting brought back but at least it’s possible
The Star Wars Infinites comics were really good so I'm all for a "What If" series ... or even better a Tag and Bink series, another great non canon comic series.
A tag and bink series would be so crazy! I loved those comics! There could be so much fun in that!
Saying ramen is "nutritional" is like saying chips are healthy
#AskEck What do we know of the development of the Venator? Was it ready at the outset of the Clone Wars or did it enter service sometime after it began? And what did the Republic Navy have before the Venator (and by extension, the Victory) came into service that could stand up to Seperatist capital ships?
Lore ship Versus video request:
Resurgent vs. Starhawk
Tie Striker vs. New Republic V-Wing
World Devastator vs. Vong Worldship
Tie Silencer vs. X-83 Twintail
Tie Silencer vs. Tie Defender (legends version)
Keldabe vs. ISD II
MC90 vs. Nebula class star destroyer
Nebula class vs. Pellaeon class
Majestic class vs. Bothan Assault Cruiser
EAWX: FOTR’s Mandator II portrayal vs. Subjugator
Praetor vs. Subjugator
EAWX: TR’s Mediator portrayal vs. Resurgent
Starhawk vs. Bulwark MK III
Gargantua/Aratech 520 Battle Platform vs. A6 Juggernaut
We saw it at the first battle of geonosis
The venator was developed on the same path as the rest of the GAR's equipment. The kaminoans contracted Rothana, Kuat, and other manufacturers to collaborate, making everything ready for the clones to deploy right away
@@minecrafter3448 talking about Star destroyer sized vessels (1-2 km length). Acclamators were heavy cruisers at 750 meters and were more assault troop transport, not an actual frontline combatant (at least those the Republic had in the beginning of the war, not counting the later acclamator 2’s)
@@lightspeedvictory oh, I always assumed these were the full sized variants
@@minecrafter3448 It was the acclamator
As soon as someone uses the phrase "shackle ourselves to cannon," that's when people get worried. Most of the modern creative space seems to hate playing within any lore or guideline, I think you're missing the larger background as to why people are negative towards a SW What-If.
There's nothing inherently wrong with "What if" stories. The difference in this case is - the ability to stick to A canon is part of the necessary craft of creating a cohesive universe for a series setting. Whoever has been in charge of Star Wars for the last ten years has allowed this skill to atrophy, and they don't need another avenue to excuse this lack of ability.
We already had a Star Wars: What If... It was called Star Wars: the Clone Wars.
I'd love to see the what if of Luke accepting his father's offer to rule the galaxy as father and son
One Star Wars what if that i would absolutely LOVE is the actual deathtrooper virus to spread throughout the galaxy with the galactic war ending, or at least ceasing because the virus is that bad. It would be an AWESOME game adaptation, it could add a lot to the zombie game genre
I love that force unleashed 2 dlc with Endor. A great example of the fun that can be had with a what if
Star Wars is just one box though... That's what makes it a universe. Each franchise is one single box.
'What If' Star Wars.
My main issue is a complete lack of trust in the current people making the decisions regarding the SW franchise regarding the characters and what happens.
Other than The Mandalorian's first 2 seasons, it seems like the Powers That Be have decided that all main characters will be Boss Babes Mary Sues that have very little personality and a dislike for male characters.
If that wasn't a concern, I'd say "Bring on the 'SW What Ifs!!'". But it is a large concern so I say, "Meh. I can't wait to not watch it."
Finally someone mentioned The Star Wars. 6 issue comic for George's original idea for the galaxy far far away. I highly suggest reading them even though the project was never given a sequel. Its still interesting to hear and read the names of characters, but they are in different bodies. The Knights of the Sith were just badass and needed a deep dive
Let me start by saying your point of view isn't wrong - we have gotten some great content over the years by going outside the main storyline. We've even gotten new eras of content thanks to this (Kotor eras being a prime example).
But... I think you're missing why people are also correctly upset. You have how many shows teased and cancelled, projects shelved. You have so many nearly blank slate periods within Star Wars that do leave plenty open for interpretation and creativity. People have one or two of those that are dear to so many of them - some of which were teased, then abandoned. So seeing funds go to "let's be creative" when the COULD HAVE gone to "let's be creative" within the era those fans are passionate about just hurts. There's no less room for creativity within said timeline and just having a standalone doesn't GUARANTEE as much meaningfulness from the story for them.
Like I loved Clone Wars minus about 3 arcs which I felt betrayed thematics, logic, etc. established elsewhere. But I couldn't get into Rebels. I don't hate it, nor think people can't love the show. It's just with the 2 million other "jedi survived order 66 and starts a rebellion" stories out there - Force Unleashed being 1 of them - and it's more middle school tone early in the series, I couldn't get into it. So it's fine. I don't hate they made it or anything. But I personally would have liked to see something else with the budget - like a Rogue Squadron or Wraith Squadron series... even if they didn't follow any of the legends books beyond having a Wedge Antilles. So it's like that for most people I'd guess. Except even moreso because some other storylines have been teased and then dropped. So you feel like... that series I really wanted to see is being sacrificed to give us little blips that may or may not be cool and don't add to the overall story. That's an understandable point of complaint.
I don't think it's the concept of a "What If?' star wars series that people hate. It's the fact that it's a Disney star wars 'what if?' series that has us worried.
The first tweet is absolutely right, why put the time and effort into making something that isn’t canon anyway, when you could repair the problematic parts of canon?
Because repairing canon doesn't work. Fate of the Jedi tried to fix Legacy of the Force, but it just ended up being a bandaid on a festering wound. It won't change what people hate about the Disney stories.
Who cares about what's canon good stories are good stories
@@PrinceDaemonTargaryen whats the point of "good stories" if they are in an alternate timeline that doesn't matter? Lets say you yourself can go into another timeline which is better in every way. Why would you care about this world? Its not the one you started with, its meaningless
@cesruhf2605 this alternate world you're talking about is the one we started with. C-canon is the orginal continuation of star wars Post rotj. Its just as meaningless as current canon. I don't understand this obsession with canon restriction you're gonna have fun then when you hear about star wars infinities.
If I don't trust Disney with cannon why would I trust them with what If?
This is the reason why I am a fan of warhammer 40k
No cap, you been reading the siege books?
Absolutely brother me too
I mean warhammer fans ain’t that much better
@@Commissar_Eiven you paint/play minis or just read?
Im pretty sure Warhammer fans can be just as if not more immature than Star Wars fans.
There's a difference between "What If" stories and "Non-canon stories". Something being non-canon just means the creator wanted to create something that ended up incompatible with the original canon, but still had its own merits. The "What If" idea is just cashing in on nostalgia for the original work, like "hey fans, remember this? Now how about 'this but different'!". It also requires a much higher suspension of disbelief, since you're not only accepting the fantasy world, but also the logic that two wildly different scenarios would just happen to result in all the same major plot points. Just make a non-canon story if the original content is constraining you.
As an example, having a "What if Anakin never fell to the dark side?" episode could be anywhere from "Sides with Mace and kills Palpatine immediately and the entire OT doesn't exist" to "Is killed by palpatine immediately and the entire OT doesn't exist" but the writers have to choose every series of events that constrain the remaining story to still remain as close to what happens in the original trilogy, otherwise we lose any reference for comparison. It always ends up feeling forced.
I'm sorry, why are people butthurt about a SW "What If?" series? Hasn't the IP basically had exactly this for ages via comics, etc. that told this kind of content? It sounds like they're hung up on the label of "what if?" and what that implies mainly. It's no different than other content we already have within SW that doesn't fit with canon or old EU continuity.
I think for many people, it's the fact so much was left unknown in the canon. There's thousands of years from the Old Republic, to the First Order. There should be no end to the series, movies, and books that could be made; yet Disney would rather sweep it all under and start new.
I'm not opposed to seeing more Star Wars on the big screen, but I definitely think Disney could have done way more with current canon before moving on. So many things about the existing universe I wanna know, and now they're moving on to hypothetical stories that have no relation.
I'm not mad, just disappointed.
gotta say I like that you have opinions on star wars that don't feel like a hivemind
yea same, it’s fresh
In a perfect world, Star Wars would have been public domain by now. I would love to see Star Wars taken COMPLETELY off the rails of canon and ANYONE make whatever kind of story they want in any media format, regardless of whether or not it steps on the toes of the "official" ones. Alas, I will almost certainly be long dead before then. If you want to be mad at Disney for something, be mad at them for extending copyright laws so egregiously in the name of corporate greed.
Also, people forget that all those stories and eras in the Legends continuity took DECADES to fully flesh out. The current canon hasn't even been around for ten full years yet, let alone nearly forty. Patience, Padawans.
“Overly tied to the idea of canon”
If a fictional setting lacks canon, it can then be everything, lacking anything approaching realistic limits. In other words, it becomes pointless.
I personally am approaching apathy of all Disney Star Wars, and couldn’t care less about a “what if” thing.
But Ecks attack on those who defended canon needed to be addressed.
Loads of franchises have storylines that exist outside their official canon and it works pretty well it doesn't destroy it.
@@PrinceDaemonTargaryenI was addressing that Ecks statement implies heavily that canonicity is irrelevant. Much like the Templin Institute did for their “why there should be female space marines in 40k” video, despite the fact it has been deemed impossible by the rules of the setting. I fear Ecks is going down a path I cannot follow
@slb797 I mean I didn't really pick up on that his main example with shadow of war was more not every story has to be canon rather than canon should be disregarded.
“What If” was never a problem to me. In fact, I think that disgruntled fans should be more in favor of it, because it allows more Star Wars content without the worry of any effect on the original canon.
"What if George Lucas Didn't Sell Star Wars" is a concept I've thought of every time I've watched Disney SW.
Looking forward to that episode 💪
My turn: What if Troy Denning was never allowed to be involved with the Expanded Universe.
@@Azure_Fireand Karen Travis
@@PrinceDaemonTargaryen Actually instead let's go with "What if 30-129 ABY didn't happen in Star Wars Legends"
@@Azure_Fire 🗿 then we could have got Timothy zahns adventure series with mara being alive with the rest of the family.
@@PrinceDaemonTargaryen I just finished the Survivor's Quest audiobook, and it ended with hard foreshadowing that a clone of Thrawn was still alive. I have to imagine that would have been followed up on if Zahn had gotten the chance to write that story. So I'm all on board for it.
Star Wars what if would be so cool, I want a reason why from someone doesn’t want it
Grow up? I’m 24 years old… :p
The sad thing is, after all the bullshit Disney has fed us, long time fans just don’t have faith in the creators anymore. The first thing we think of is the further degradation the main characters that made this movie great. We would LOVE to see what-ifs if we knew it would be taken care of with the love that the EU created.
All RUclips revenue is down! Patreon is becoming the only source of income. We love you, keep making amazing content! Also, I’m so excited for what if for Star Wars. I don’t understand how people can be mad over a what if story. I think they would be able to make a great story, legends can be such a great outlet for people to tell stories that don’t need to be tied down to cannon. What if is an amazing show and if it’s anything as good as marvels it will be a great watch.
A pretty popular youtube genre are the star wars what if channels. A lot of people have been thinking itd be fun, but since it's disney making them, theyre now complaining about it
The What If stuff sounds like they're running away from the mess they made. I was done giving Disney second chances years ago. If this turns out to be great storytelling, minus The Message, then I'll be the first to congratulate Disney. But I'm not getting excited one bit.
It's the opposite of what they need to be doing: fixing their quality problem.
I feel like the negative reaction is a result of Disney selecting their audience.
There WAS a space for weird and interesting "what if" stories...it was called 'Legends', but when Disney bought the franchise they went razed earth on that, so the people who liked that part would feel disengaged (and maybe a bit insulted), which just leaves the people that care about the 'canon' story.
For you to do that and then go "...Hey? what if we had a Tv series telling a bunch of 'what if' stories" is kind of a slap in the face.
In my opinion I do think 'Canon' is important because that sets the rules somewhat when it comes down to what can and cannot happen. It gives a frame for the story to exist and such where then you can see characters do things and know what they can and cannot do. How the Force works, how a blaster reacts to a lightsaber, certain creatures effect the Force, ect. What I think IS the problem is people are somewhat annoyed at how the previous movies somewhat squandered opportunity to do something new or even utilize the old effectively. This then means they would feel that a focus on an "If" series makes any sort of investment in the 'main' timeline or what have you even lessened because then why does it matter? That timeline is bad and timeline 2 is better! Ect ect. This is at least what I see.
TLDR: A love of Canon is fine. I just think IMO fans are more upset at the fumbling of the 'Main Story' and feel that focusing on What If scenarios is iffy when they could put that creative attention on the 'Main Story/Timeline' instead.
I’m interested in Star Wars what if, but it is worrying to see the Marvel-ifying of Star Wars, more so in the Mando movie.
To watch that movie, you’ll have to watch all 3 seasons of Mando, to understand the gap of season 2-3 you have to watch Boba Fett, to watch that you have to watch episode 5 and therefore episode 4, and it’s just too much.
I’m genuinely quite scared of Star Wars going down the path of marvel, eventually becoming an empty husk just producing garbage for money, and the Mando movie combined with this seems to me like that’s where we’re heading
Some fan what ifs are pretty good but they have to be well written not just the obvious route and outcome
Honestly i like the idea of Star Wars What If, especially the Star Wars Earth-based fanfiction known as the Terran Alliance series.
They really need to listen to the fans fr
The entire Disney Canon is a what if scenario.
I’d like to see a What If, but I see where people are coming from. It will be INSANELY annoying if they give us some of the things we’ve been asking for relentlessly in a What If timeline
Sorry Eck, but that entire section of "we shouldn't bind ourselves to canon so we can let our creativity flourish" is exactly the thinking that produced the sequel trilogy and decanonized the EU. "Oh, those 40 years of storytelling? That goes in the trash now so we can do what we want."
But what makes you wrong about this, is that it really just takes a bare minimum of effort to have an original, creative vision, and have it fit with canon. The Star Wars galaxy has like 30,000+ years of history to play with, plus anything set in the far future, in a massive galaxy. Most of the Visions stories could all be canon, just set in unknown periods of galactic history. The conceit of "What If" storytelling is making the universe smaller, focusing on these same characters and periods everybody already knows but trying to alter them to recapture faded interest, all while saying "well it doesn't really matter anyway". It's the Marvelization of Star Wars, and people are so negative on it because they see it for the unoriginal corporate cash-grab that it is.
By the way you're wrong about The Force Unleashed as well, even releasing so wildly late into the publishing history of the EU (to the point that II left on a cliffhanger and was never followed up on because the game was cut because of the impending buyout) it is referenced elsewhere and didn't break canon - Force Sensitive Clones were already a thing in the EU and could be successful at times.
I'm really proud to see that you're taking such a mature stance. I'm glad I still follow your channel. you're one of the few star wars youtubers who I feel like actually wants the franchise to move forward
By now, we fans are fully aware that any What If alternative version of the lore will not be chosen and made because it's an interesting change for telling a good fresh story, but with the intent of sending a message, preaching to the fans, provoke a reaction by some fans so they can use it for marketing purposes, change things for inclusivity and diversity or just for the sake of changing. Will I give it a chance? Of course I will. But don't ask me to be excited.
People will slam the idea of a Star Wars What-If, but then hop on RUclips and watch videos that do pretty much the same thing
KOTOR 1 and 2 should get TV adaptations. Films would force so much of the side missions/crew banter to get cut into a 2.5/3 hour movie that would feel too convoluted if too much is covered for one game's storyline.
I played those games when I was around 11 and came back to finish them in my twenties. That's the kind of staying power that's been missing for a while, and if that were captured on TV, it would make for one hell of a run.
Nah, fuck that. It's too brutal for Disney.
It’s less about obsessing over canon and more about Disney not making good Star Wars.
The problem I have is that I have zero faith that Lucasfilm can tell a story without it inevitably turning to "And this is how Main Character learns what it really means to be Jedi". I want more, mature, well written and well thought out stories - about people that don't become Jedi. Andor (and Rogue One) was a step in the right direction, but we need to start seeing more.
So, I agree - Star Wars needs to grow up. And the first people that need to grow up are the Lucasfilm execs and the writers, directors, and producers they hire.
As someone who's seen Star Wars Theory's What if fan fiction videos, I'd love to see an official series on this, especially since I've really enjoyed the Marvel 'What if' show and so seeing stuff like 'What if Anakin defeated Obi-wan' or 'What if Luke and Leia were swapped at birth' and so on, would be cool and something a bit different. Plus, with Canon currently being a bit of a letdown right now, it would be a nice change of pace, aside from Visions, of course.
And you trust Disney?
Star Wars is for children. It's the fans who need to grow up.
That's rich coming from you.
@@blaspemy5398 Lol do I know you?
@@HallyPorter I'm a diehard Star Wars fan for the last 26 years. Peep my name and profile pic. See what I mean now?
I will disagree. I think emulating Marvel has led to a lot of the major issues with Disney Star Wars. In theory, I like a "What If?" storyline. I really want to see a "good ending" to Revenge of the Sith. But I do think Star Wars needs to stick to a single canon timeline. Marvel has lost its appeal to me because there are no stakes any more. We wrote a bad storyline? Oops, Scarlet Witch just lost her mind again and everything got reset!
Its not emulating Marvel, its emulating what was already done with Star Wars comics! Jesus efffing christ how ignorant can you people be?
@@LtCaveman But they aren't doing it because of the *effing* comics now are they, asshole?
We need R-rated Star Wars movies and TV shows. It’s half century of wars and it’s sanitized to sell toys.
The thing that makes me mad is that a Star Wars What If show may stifle the story telling ability of all the Star Wars RUclipsrs that have been creating for years.
Disney will start head hunting these people and do things that will end the endless amount of content on RUclips.
The SCP universe is a great example of how stories that take place out of canon can be compelling. With such a wide range of articles, characters, and the implications of the authors' writing, it would be impossible to keep everything straight. SCP readers are encouraged to create their own canons and understandings of that universe in a way that makes them happy.
I think that applying such a mentality to more media would be neat. Star Wars already has that a little bit, jumping between Legends and Disney canon.
I don't want a Star Wars What If. The reason why, we already have Visions. If the Star Wars What If is a CGI cartoon like how Marvel What if is presented, that would be a major step back. I would much prefer letting the different artists in Visions continue to bring new stories to life through their varied animation styles.
TL;DR: Less content more variety.
I think it'd but a fun trip to do a What If style show. People just initially cringed because of the Marvel comparison
I do agree, with the caveat that the times that not following canon bother me are the times when it’s unnecessary for the story and hard to picture how it could have come about if the writer of the story cared about what they were doing (I personally think that while this does happen it is very rare)
My big problem is that it seems like they don't know what they're doing with the main stories. At that point, "What-if" feels like an attempt to work on their flawed storytelling version of star wars without incurring criticism, which is, of course, not a thing. There will always be criticism.
The New hope infinity was awesome, see a version of it in this new what if would be awesome
Yoda crushing Palpatine with the Death Star itself.
I would LOVE to see Live action Yoda Slam-dunking the Death Star on Coruscant
@@blackore64Yoda's ketamine rampage the movie
Uh, acshuweally, age is a number going up once a year. It is not an experience of “growing up,” but aging. Which are 2 different things. Existing is to be a fan of living and living is to be fan of creations that sparks imagination. Star Wars being one of them.
But isn't 'Star Wars: Visions" already a "What If?" series, more or less?
Personally, I don't mind such a series, as long as my 'Real' Star Wars remains unaffected by the 'What If?" episodes (wish the Sequels could be made 'What If?".....yeah, I said it.....😅)
They could even do like Marvel 'What If?" is doing, and continue on stories that are popular, but only in that setting (we have seen 'Captain Carter' appear in several connected episodes so far).
I think by What If they mean that they'll just devote a season to one story like the original SW What if: Infinities
As someone who preferred "Legends continuity" I think it's cool, and gives me hope characters that got tossed aside like Darth Krayt, Darth Talon, and others might get more appearances.
I think new Thrawn is a bit less rational and imposing, but still happy to see him being a big bad.
There already is a Star Wars What If series. Everything filmed under Disney.
your delusion dont count those are canon get over it baby
What? I loved those star wars Infinity Comics as a kid... why do people dislike the concept?
I think the what if stories will actual improve the canon stories. They could give canon stories a bit more time to be produced and make up the difference with the what ifs.
Terms like World between Worlds (WbW) generally implies alternate realities, and they have already done that in the new canon with the Rebels WbW episode. And as you said, Star Wars has always had official non-canon and alternate timelines stories. So why now is it OK for Lucasfilm to blow money on non-canon stories and possible alternate versions of new canon, but yet making the old EU continuity officially an alternate timeline essentially for free a bad idea? Meanwhile, according to Lucas, only his movies are canon, everything else being alternate universe as they written by other people and they at Lucasfilm developed the tiered canon system back then with each subsequent lower tier representing an alternate universe that had to fit with the higher tiers in order to be inline with Lucas’ version of canon.
It’s like people willfully choose to ignore this.
It could be cool but I think since it's Disney that it would be "what if Luke was female" or something like that
Think of all the awesome characters, stories, and moments we got from games like Knights of the Old Republic and The Old Republic. Not exactly what if scenarios, but events that were not shackled by the mainline canon. I really want more of that than just every Star Wars story being tied to The Clone Wars, Palpatine, or The Rebels.