Setting up the Z probe for the PROVerXL 4030 CNC from Sainsmart Genmitsu
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- Опубликовано: 15 янв 2025
- A quick guide on how to setup your Z probe on the ProverXL 4030. We cover the setup for both Candle and UGS.
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And you easily convinced me to upgrade to UGS, a bonus for setting up the Z-probe. Thanks James! Cheers!
I am just starting setup with a Sainsmart 4040 pro machine. This video was very helpful. Thanks for your time and expertise.
Glad to help Jim. Hope everything goes smoothly 👍
Great video! Thank you...
Thanks.
Great video. Does the code you pasted in Candle also work for the 4030 V2 ? Thanks
My Z axis was moving to far IE asked it to move 10mm it moved 25mm, can't get on with candle or ugs, found G-sender works brill and much smother software. used the calibration settings all seams OK now, just need to test out some design software but it looks like most are subscription based, would like buy outright.
Thanks Dean
A lot are unfortunately, its the way of the world at the moment. Vcarve can be purchased, also Estlcam. I've not personally used Estlcam but some people do say its good. Just don't run your machine through it, only use it for the design side
Greetings Sir, New subscriber here... I just purchased my first Machine, the Genmitus 3020 Pro Max. Mostly I'll be creating small parts from aluminum for model r/c cars. Your channel came at the top of my youtube search so you are the first person I watched and so far the only one I've actually subscribed to. I find your videos very detailed and novice friendly. I'm a long time user of 3D Printers and Laser Engravers so most of the terms were familiar. I went with easel but when I started the trial ver the only option was to download the gcode file. Must be an update or is there a different ver I should be looking for. Perhaps the changed the save gcode option to only the paid ver.?
Thanks for the great easy to follow videos. Great channel overall....
Thank you for subscribing. I believe the option to download your gcode is still there but if you're using any of the paid for features then it will not allow you to unfortunately
@@JamesDeanDesigns Thanks so much for the reply & information.
Is it a different process to set up the z probe in easel?
Great video James, as usual. I watched your z-probe 3018 video and you made a diy probe. I would like make a diy corner touch plate that senses the x, y and z (of the front/left corner). Can you point me in the right direction for the code to implement this? I would be happy if the probing needed 3 buttons, but better if all three were in one button and sequential. If I am being overly ambitious, just say :) Thanks again James.
I dont have the code for Candle unfortunately (I'm not that clever 😆) but if you use UGS or Openbuilds Controller then it's inbuilt automatically and no extra code required
@@JamesDeanDesigns Thanks a lot James.
Hi James, thank you for these videos. what size bit did you use in the video?
Great tutorial. When I do mine, I set the XY axis to zero, then move to Z probe location & run probe sequence, return XY to zero & leave bit at Z height as I don't want an errant bit of code fast jogging my bit to start location & bashing my hold town clamps. This relies on the G-Code setting appropriate cutting height once in correct XY start location.
Hello James I love you videos! I have recently been searching and researching non stop for weeks. I have literally went down the 🐇 🕳 😂 . I have a little over 1000 to spend and I want to get into cnc machining. I can seem to make my mind up between the 4040 sainsmart and the 4030. The 4030 seems more rigid and built better. I am willing to upgrade it. So my question is that I want to be able do aluminum pretty easy what would your suggestion be for a cnc. I am willing to go for a different brand . You seem to be the guy who knows about all the cnc machines. Would you please give me a suggestion or do you think I should save my money and go for the 6050? I would also like to do 3d carvings not just 2d. I am willing to upgrade to linear rails or ball screws and a bigger spindle. Aby help would be much appreciated 🙏 thank you for all you time and making these wonderful videos for us
Thanks for the kind words. For aluminium, you want it to be strong and ridged. Yes the 4040 will do it but something like the 4030 or even the 6050 would do it better. Generally speaking the best advice is get the top of what you can afford so if saving up for something like the 6050 (or another machine) is within you grasp then do that.
@JamesDeanDesigns I have been thinking the 6050 but now I'm gonna go with bulkman ultimate bee 500×750 linear rails and ball screws . Do you have any videos on that machine?
I have just obtained. A 4030 and I’m using the machine with Maker using inches instead of mm. My question, how do I set up the probe on the 4030 for when using inches?
Hi All, I'm trying to find the video where you show us how you added the sacrificial wood base to the table on the 3018 pro if you point me in the right direction many thanks, keep the videos coming.
I havent actually got around to making this video yet. If you join the Sainsmart group on Facebook, in the files section there is a guide by Graham Bland who goes through this spoilboard setup
Hi James, Love your videos. I recently bought a 4030. I have a problem since day one with the depth of cut set for the jobs. I used your logo for testing. Candle indicates 10mm as the depth of the cut but the cnc, cuts only at -.2 (displayed in the work area coordinates while the jod id running) and the logo is barely visible. It does the same with other files as well. I have run over and over the same Z-Probe setup as you show in your video but it does does not change anything. I also tried the paper method but had no more success. It's doing the same issue with Candle, GSender and the off-line controller as well. I might be doing something wrong but I don't know what. I tested all axes precision with a ruler and they are dead on. I searched a solution on the Web but did not find any. Would you have any idea what could cause this ?
Aww No !! Hellppp!!! I am dreading this machine, should have bought the oozenest!
I'm having the exact same issue. I've looked over everything I could find and still no solution. I was really hoping the answer to my problem would be found here. Guess I'll keep looking
I know this is an older video, but In any of the "b" versions of candle, there is not a setting for the z probe. I went and put back in the 1.7. Am I missing something?
Forgot to attach the alligator clip and popped a hole in my probe. :( Now it wont 'Home' anymore. I think I messed up the spindle. It still spins and moves back and forward and side to side but not up and down or home.
Mr. dean my command starts then admittedly stops with out ever touching work piece it also does that when ever i first start a project it starts then stops i have to hit the soft command to in Volk the alarm to try again and then it raises up and does cut in air
what would you do if you use open builds free software?
Hello James,
do you have any idea how to set z-probe height settings in easel? When I use the Z-Probe, the cutter moves in the air.
Greetings and thanks for your great videos!
Hi Timothy, I don't use Easel to control the machines as its better to use a standalone program, sorry 😕 there is an Easel Facebook group so I'm sure one of them will know
@@JamesDeanDesigns Thank you! ;)
are you sure this is intended to be a 1mm pocket? i mic it out at 1.38. so is my machin just that far off?
i follow all your guides and for some reason my machine decides to go -10mm deep at start so it just goes in and starts making a huge cut towards the center of the material where my cut is, why is this happening?
If it’s consistently at -10mm you could just add it into the program zero your z 10mm up. But it’s hard to know without more known information
I know this is a very silly question but I purchased a CNC 4540 engraver on Amazon but I have no idea how to hook it up to my computer or to communicate with the program to engrave my designs. I am so confused and missing something entirely. So my question is, because the machine on the left looks much like mine I put together today - how does it comminucate with the software?
Do you have a link to the machine you bought? The setup is the same for most machines so if you look back at my earlier videos like the one below, it walks through all the steps
ruclips.net/video/mUO6d7MaeCA/видео.html
my machine refuses to go past z 21mm so i cant callibrate the height. do you have any idea why?
so i got the zprobe working, that custom script you had however - it moves the machine to the zero x/y/z so when i start a program it hits the limit switches. should i just change the xyz to the middle of the work sheet so i can auto locate there? from center out milling?
i figured it out. there was a step you did not include, i needed to hit zero XY before starting your program. is that normal?
You can do it either way. Usually I get it to where I want to start, click reset zero, then run the z probe
@@JamesDeanDesigns is there a way to set up a static start point? So a point can be set in the model infusion in the machine always knows where that is so you can just drop your material on, send the G-Code and it will go from home to the coordinates in the real world that you have already put into the model? Without having to manually move everything around
@@beardedgaming1337 check out this video and also read the pinned comment with extra advice
ruclips.net/video/UGRPIuuQhMo/видео.html
Can you do it for the offline controller too?
I am using candle 1.1.7 and that button code you suggested using seems to not work as intended. Instead of moving down to touch the material it sort of did a homing jog but faster and did not actually home it. It just moved all the way back to the far back right then shut down to where I have to hit reset to start over.
Just a little confused by that. So for now I think I will manually jog and zero the machine.
same here, absolutely, there should be something wrong with the code he showed
Having issues with this. the part in UGS when i return to zero it tries to punch through the board. There is no light touch. it hits and pushes the bit into the board pretty hard.
By any chance did you run the homing sequence before hand. That custom button goes a bit funky if you've ran the homing sequence
@@JamesDeanDesigns I ran the homing sequence a long time ago when I was playing around with it before I ever used it. Did not run it before trying to configure z probe. When cutting my plaques and signs everything works good as long as I use the paper method when zeroing. When I try to do a cut out, say the wood is 13mm thick and I set it to cut it out. It goes way past 13mm. It actually went over 20mm and cut into the spoilboard. Have not been able to do a cutout yet because it goes way too deep.
@@matthew6674 that's odd. If you used the correct code and entered the correct measurement in for your Z probe it should be fine. Its a fairly simple command.
Have you tracked your Z travel and calibrated it? So for example take your Z axis all the way up, then tell it to move down a specific measurement such as 30mm. Measure how far it actually travels with a ruler or tape.
@@JamesDeanDesigns I just took it all the way up. I set UGS Z step size to 10. I then pressed the button to drop it and it dropped 20 instead of ten.
@@matthew6674 there's the problem! Check your GRBL settings by typing $$ into the console. What ever number is in for setting $102 needs to be halved i believe, so if it 1600, make it 800
i have PROVerXL 4030 V2 can you please make a video for how to install Genmitsu iMaticBox v2 relay for PROVerXL 4030 V2 i try but how connect the trimmer router and the vacuum cleaner and thank you
I tried the z-probe way and when I tried the user command #1 button nothing happens. Then I set the z axis with a piece of paper then ran the program. It when down the right depth right at the 0-0-0 point and diagonally cut through the wood to the center of the circle I programed. Need help please.
I have a 6050 and can't get it right. Keep getting too much pressure second pass
James, great video, as always. On a seperate video, I noticed you 3D printed a handy Z probe holder for your 4030. Do you mind sharing that file? Or, if on Thingiverse, please share a link as my searches have been futile.
Two variations on here. One also holds dust guard www.thingiverse.com/search?q=proverxl&type=things&sort=relevant
@@JamesDeanDesigns Thank you!!
I don't know why but the button command didn't work. Didn't move at all. But the first part went perfectly. What should I change or try?
An important bit of information Ieft out is that if you've homed your machine, the second command will not work correctly 😕
Currently own a 3018 and to my dismay the Z axis only has about 1.5" for workspace. Although I have replaced the motor with a 300 watt to handle .25" drill bits they tend to be much longer then the 1/8" bits. So my question is; how much "Z" workspace can the 4030 provide? This machine is on my shortlist but the price point makes me need to know if it is adequate.
I think I might have just commented on your Facebook post but its has about 110mm of Z axis travel 👍
No I didn't home it. I removed the zip probe put it aside and hit the command and it doesn't do anything. I have done it a couple of times now and it just stays there. Finally figured out what was making so much noise. Roller bearing on y axis bolt. It's still sealed and I'm betting that it's minus at least two ball bearing of the 9 it should have.
James.. great video as always. Question. I seem to have difficulty sometimes with finding zero at bottom left, due to crappy boards. What is the recommendation for an xyz probe rather than just the included z probe?? Have you or do you use one?
I've never used one but its fairly easy to setup within UGS. You can buy them off amazon and ebay but to be honest if you have the 4030 you can probably machine one your self.
Does the 4030 have other inputs for an X, Y, Z probe?
@@BJGoldstein84 Not sure. I have emailed Sainsmart Support to ask.
Does this look right for an Openbuilds XYZ Probe for the ProVerXL.
G38.2 Z-25 F100; G91 G0 Z3; G91 G0 X-50; G91 G0 Z-8.2; G38.2 X30 F100; G91 G0 X-3; G91 G0
Z8.2; G91 G0 Y-50; G91 G0 X50; G91 G0 Z-8.2; G38.2 Y30 F100; G91 G0 Y-3; G91 G0 Z8.2; G10 P0
L20 X34.355 Y-17.255 Z8
Got a question for you James. I have a 3018 and every time i start up the machine and turn on light burn it always lists my position as x-18y-73z0. then i always have to g92x##y##z## before i start, why will this machine not start at 0 like my lm2?
Its the one flaw of lightburn. It was designed for machines with limit switches, and if you don't have them it gets a bit confused. Have you watched my video on lightburn?
i want to use Fusion 360 to design and generate gode. How to I set up my ProverXL 6060 in Fusion360 to make it talk correctly with that machine?
You dont. You basically design in Fusion 360, create the toolpaths and then export the Gcode file. You then run that file in UGS or Candle. Fusion doesnt talk to your machine directly if that makes sense
@@JamesDeanDesigns i was speaking to the post processor. How do I define travel limits of rhe 600x600x 100 (or whatever z travel is) in Fusion 360 so that when I layout parts in F360 it knows what the Axis travel limits are
Hello-
I have a 4030, extremely new to cc. I've watched your videos on RUclips regarding the z-probe. I've measured
the puck with calibers, entered the specs into the offline
controller. When I home and zero the coordinates, start
the carve file, the machine carves at the height of the z
probe puck instead in the material. Can someone help
me understand what I'm doing wrong?
i have the same issue. plz help :D
Hiya, I have downloaded all your videos as I am new to this, however following your advice on this video I managed to smash two bits and damaged the probe following your steps in this video. I am now frightened to do anything in case I damage my machine.
You showed how to find the height of the Z Probe using UGS but not Candle. We need the same thing using Candle. I know you prefer UGS but everything needs to done in both😠
Hi John. There is no need for the angry face. You've commented on several videos now getting negative with me so let's just be clear about a few thing. First, they are my videos made how I feel is best with the software I choose and given how many followers I have accumulated, I must be doing something right. Unless you want to pay me, I do not provide a personalised service. Second, UGS is much better than Candle so why would I always keep showing everything in an inferior piece of software. Candle is not the recommended software from Sainsmart, it is simply just the easiest for them to supply to people. There is major difference here. Third, if you do not like my videos, then stop watching them.
Back to the point in hand, it's pretty much exactly the same process in both pieces of software for working out the height of the Z probe but the truth is this is a work around to the problem which I didnt actually need to show in the first place. The correct method is to use the right tool for measuring the Z probe so I would suggest you start by doing that as opposed to keep getting angry with me
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