Someone just donated a dollar, which means since this is my first time attempting to do a fundraiser we just raised our first donation to a good and cool cause. I have the coolest community, thank you!!
I'm new to your channel (just going around watching different Cody tea) and I really appreciate your intention to do good with this video by attaching a fundraiser. Good on you for actually trying to *do something* to help victims like Tana ❤
Hey Daniel, you’ve probably seen me comment before or the dm I sent you telling you to do the dance moms video. I just want to say, as a teenager, this video was worded amazingly. I hope we can all do something to help Tana, but not just Tana, multiple other victims that have been kept quiet. As a victim of similar ass@últ it can really wear on someone especially if it’s a minor. No bigger mentor should be able to take advantage of smaller (younger) fans. I’m so glad you’re bringing more awareness to the topic and it was done extremely well.
i love the gabbie clip both because its a literal smoking gun buried in all the old content she deleted but also because when she says "oh my god thank you for telling me" its actually a solid cody ko impression
The idea that this is how he (too characteristically not to believe) responded before sleeping with her that night is so disappointing. The existence of a frat boy type with feminist takes and a good head on his shoulder made me question my belief system and gave me some sense of hope and security. Now, not only do I feel the need to doubt the authenticity of content creators (duh, I should've done so all along,) but also I question the authenticity of men who present as trustworthy in general. Because again, benevolence being fake for the fans is valid and not a radical concept, but he ALSO faked benevolence 1on1 at a party to a fellow creator who's known online for lying and gossiping anyway...just, why? ...I mean, is celebrity worship really the MOST important discussion to have if he lies even off camera and his friends seem just as blindsided as the fans? There's no shortage of noncelebrity ivy league frat boys who are just fake in general and get away with this kind of thing continuously because their closest friends on earth swear he'd never do such a thing
@@chloerose1342as a man who despises other men, especially ones like Cody, don't trust men, period. I'm not saying be a paranoid looney, but as a whole we can not be trusted. MOST men, and that's not at all an exaggeration, are sexual deviants and will do vile things as soon as no one is watching. Be careful, be safe, be slow to trust people. We are evil monkeys period, we aren't inherently good. Please for the love of God, never ever just trust a man for any reason.
@@wurmrave6831 Yeah that's true but it's even more harmful to idolise someone who's personality is almost entirely false like celebrities or influencers
@@reesevanhoven6659 I always hate this idea that commentary channels cant do anything wrong just because they expose others. There are some commentary channels that I feel are a little questionable.
6:04 You’re not “too old” to be on RUclips, Cody. One is never really too old for RUclips. You are, however, too old to be hooking up with a 17 year old.
Literally no such thing as too old for RUclips. One of my favorite creators is Life with Sandra Hart, and she is a widow in her 80s. She makes normal content about her youth, grief, and what her life is like today and manages to do it all without being creepy! What a concept.
What's most crazy to me is how people try to say Tana looked older, yet in that old video where she has pink hair she legit looks like a baby. A whole teenager. She did not "look older" she looked like a 17 year old.
The people saying it in bad faith are trying to s’ualize a teenager in public and provide themselves an excuse to do so The people doing it in good faith- I only argue that’s even possible to do bc they would have been her age or younger to think she looks like an adult. Once you get older than that it’s undeniable that she looks like a kid smh
I agree. She definitely wasn’t giving off “mature looking and wise beyond her years” energy people are trying to say she is. I’m 19 and probably would never hang out with someone like 17 year-old Tana bc she’s obviously such a child. The way Cody looks at her in those videos makes my skin crawl tbh
Just bc a victim doesn’t cry or isn’t necessarily traumatized by the situation doesn’t make it any less of a crime. If someone committed an attempted murder and the victim was able to stay strong and move on from the situation and not have trauma, that doesn’t just mean it’s not a crime anymore. A crime is a crime, it doesn’t matter if a victim is traumatized by it or not. Everyone handles situations differently and reacts to things differently, just bc she is can talk about it without crying and isn’t necessarily traumatized does not erase the crime committed. You can’t decide weather something is a crime or not simply by how much a victim is traumatized by a situation. A crime isn’t decided on whether a victim was traumatized or not, a crime is a crime even if the victim isn’t traumatized by the situation.
Also, many victims experience disassociation, denial, and shame during and after the experience. For people to think victims should react a certain way is a form of retraumatization as its shaming and not supportive. It also treats the situation like entertainment instead of the serious matter that it is
Charlie didnt cover anything. he just played D'Angelo's video while adding nothing to the discussion. he only did that to cover his own ass and say he spoke up.
Why are you even surprised? I never trusted straight white guy youtubers with a majority female audience. Nothing against straight whit guys, of course, but the ones who have a majority female audience give off a major "pick me" vibe.
It's disgusting that it falls back into "they wanted it" especially in dynamics of power an Idol has over a fan. The censorship of those that are trying to talk about it really causes a terrifying output to those suffering SA.
Yes, I think it’s completely disgusting too given the power dynamic, and also to add on, Tana wasn’t at the age where she can consent to it. Cody should’ve stopped what ended up happening in it’s tracks right away because he was the adult in the situation.
FR another comment section (where I said that as a 17 year old, 25 is too old for me) and I had people asking me if I was a virgin, and saying that if I wasn't, then I was a hypocrite?? it's gross asf
@@barbecuedsimsbabyyeah this shit is fucking wild. I was hesitant when this first started going around to believe it purely off the chance they might have been false allegations, but it seems with everything that has surfaced, it’s basically proven that he did everything. I, even just being 21, feel that even the thought of me being with a 17 year old is beyond fucking gross and disgusting. I can’t imagine what kind of crooked mind you need to justify being 25 and sleeping with a 17 year old.
I've noticed that a lot of people are feminist *only* when it's convenient for them. They don't realize that they can't live up to their own ideals, but expect others to. It's pretty demoralizing what it says about humanity.
It's more like people are feminist because it's a quick way to build a following and social media career to make money, especially for white men. Most of the men in these progressive/feminist spaces are just grifters.
If people spoke about this when I was a teen I would not have felt as though it was a normal thing. So good to hear people talking about this. Hope all men who hooked up with underage girls are listening..Truth always comes out.
i actually didnt notice that, wow i hope it's a sign he can't run away from this anymore but also i'm not going to get my hopes up he'll say anything ugh
He has a second channel, I don't follow it but someone (Charlie, I think, but I've watched a few videos on the topic and I might be wrong) said he was posting there. He's hiding from it, but he still wants to milk the RUclips cash cow.
@@transsnack the second channel is the one I'm talking about. He used to post daily except I think sundays?? Now it's been like 5 days since his last video
He’s probably looking for a lawyer. Let’s be real here, he needs one. Cody wants to be smart and not pull a Colleen. I just hope that he’ll be honest about everything that’s going on and he’ll address all of this like an actual adult unlike little miss kinder gardner lipstick.
He really didn't go after people for being mysogynist unless they where bad at being predators..... He never covered a high profile predtor or anything, so now looking back it's just him saying "look at these guys doing a bad job at something that I also do".
That “teen slang” bit always gets me. I’ve watched nearly every video youtubers etc have made on this and every time that video of their collab where he says that comes up, it makes me feel incredibly uneasy. I don’t usually immerse myself in controversy to this extent but Cody was one of my all time favourite youtubers, with TMG being the only podcast I listened to, and to learn of his seedy past, where he literally went through with sleeping with a 17 y/o when he was 25 has changed that. I can’t ever look at him the same way. Especially since seeing evidence of him behaving similarly with another 17 y/o when he was 24 and when he and his wife had a 16 year old in their vlogs who they filmed and encouraged to do a vape hit. Both of these extra things I heard about on Reddit.
appreciate the in-depth video. as someone who has experienced trauma as a minor at the hands of an adult. the few times i have spoken up (because of course the judge didn't want to take it to court) remind me how far we have to go. the constant boys club and dismissiveness of women because "he's my friend. he never did anything like that to me" is exhausting and really diminishes any hope i have for justice
I started going to Vidcon as a teenager, I got to go with my friend. I saved up and my parents couldn't even afford to go with me if they wanted to (not that I wanted them to) but they were pretty nervous about me going. They were uncomfortable that I would be so close to young men I idolized. I remember thinking it was so silly. I have a photo from that Vidcon with Tom Milsom who, it was later revealed, was in an abusive relationship with an 15/16 year old fan.
As a girl who has seen and been through some stuff in frat houses on my own campus, I genuinely believe there are two kinds of frat guys. The ones that do the sa and the ones that stay quiet about it to protect their “brother”. I feel dumb for thinking Cody wasn’t like his roots
i think one of the worst parts is the reaction people have had to tana. the amount of victim blaming and minimizing that has occurred just because people dont like her is disgusting. edit: oh my god that podcast clip with her at around 8 minutes is heartwrenching. absolutely agree with the other person that you cant do that to yourself. it doesnt matter how much or how little trauma youve received, or how your trauma compares to others. trauma is trauma, and you have the right to both be in pain and heal from it
I think it sometimes help to think of trauma in the same way you'd think about a physical injury. A paper cut hurts a lot, but only because it's so small an injury it didn't trigger any survival instincts. But you can walk miles on a broken leg if the circumstances are correct. It might never heal right, and it'll ache for years at the site of the break, but in the short term it's manageable. Right up until it crumbles from under you. She's still walking on that broken leg. I'm not sure how much further she can take it though.
The reason why morons aren't treating this seriously is because it's Tana, which full stop is very very stupid. The fact that the internet rallied against her circa 2017-2018 just because of some insecure white guy who wanted to say "the N word" is crazy and the fact that the rhetoric _still_ carries on to this day is even worse.
i was a VERY long time Cody fan before this all came up. i remember him posting the videos with Tana and every single comment was about the sexual chemistry and how they were “definitely doing it”. but people STILL have the audacity to say she’s lying. it’s sick
"I like NIN now but that's besides the point" lollllll the best glow up in music taste of all time. From Marilyn Manson to NIN. Manson wishes he could be as bad ass as Trent Reznor
Okay. Okay. The whole 'she wanted it' thing pisses me off. I wasn't SA'd, it might not have even been grooming, but someone older than me was making strange, romantically and somewhat sexually charged comments to me laced with validation and 'it's okays'. And you know what? Yeah. I did want more, because I didn't get that kind of validation from anyone else, and it felt good. But at the same time I was fucking scared because is this going to escalate? How far was she going to take it? I'm okay, I managed to get away from her, but it was fucking scary. And maybe I did want it. But that doesn't change the fact it wasn't okay.
Hell, I kinda wanted it too, in a really messed up way. It was the only physical contact I'd had with an adult that wasn't meant to scare or hurt me for years at that point. And it never went passed "just touching", so even I thought it was fine at the time, even if it sometimes made me feel hollow and sick in the pit of my stomach. But I was 14, and he was a family member in his 50s, and somewhere I knew it was wrong. But I was starved for love and physically touch that didn't hurt, so I didn't say no. And looking back, I shouldn't have had to. He knew, even if I didn't, exactly what he was doing. It wasn't on me to make or maintain that boundary, the literal law was supposed to do that for me. And the worst part is that I can never come forward about it in my personal life. Because I will never be believed. But I know, and he knows, that I'm watching how he treats other kids. And if he even looks at them sideways, he knows I'll notice, and I'll keep him away from them until one of us dies.
Yeah fr. When I was 13 I made out with like a 25yo (idk his exact age but a full grown man) . I wanted it and at the time thought I was so cool that an older man liked me. I relate so much to tana saying that she doesn't necessarily feel traumatised, but it still fucks you up when you get older and realise.. what the FUCK.
@@transsnack"I shouldn't have had to" THIS is what people need to understand. It doesn't matter if someone wants it when they're a literal child. It's the adults responsibility to say no.
it doesn't matter how much a teen wants an adult, it's always the adult's responsibility to not be a creep. the adult is the one who knows better, not the child. it's not your fault.
thank you for putting words to my feelings as soon as you said "it's a slap in the face to the women that watch him who've survived SA" because that's exactly how it fucking feels I'm ashamed that he had my ass with the performative nice guy shit for so long and it's seriously made me take a look at how I see creators online
As a woman and a sexual assault survivor, I want to say thank you. Men hold so much more power than they realize and using your platform, no matter how many followers, is very impactful. The more men/boys that start to have these conversations or who shut down victim shaming when it occurs, the more that other men/boys become aware of how they view and speak about women and assault. I think truly the biggest impact about this kind of stuff comes when men hold their friends and/or coworkers/acquantices accountable for their actions and words when it comes to women. Thank you for handling this with care and humility and for donating proceeds.
Daniel, this is a very small thing, but I appreciate that you are the only male creator I've seen actually say verbatim, "I hope Tana is okay." Of course, I appreciate that people are defending Tana, but showing compassion towards her is something she explicitly stated she wasn't really getting because of who the perpetrator was. I'm sure she's not watching these videos at this point, but someone on Reddit said that this is bigger than just Tana and Cody, this is about all victims of statutory rape whether recent or now adults coming to terms with trauma. Hearing "I hope Tana is okay" can feel like an extension of, "I hope YOU are okay."
The Marilyn Manson talk was so real. I grew up listening to him because of my dad. I was around 13 (I'm 19 now) when I decided to research aboht him. I was left very shook. Its just so shitty. I dont know how I feel about the 'separate the artist from the music', especially when MM's done some terrible stuff.
This doesn't just go for Cody Ko, this goes for everyone. Don't idolise anyone. Do not put anyone on a pedestal above yourself. Your idols are not who you think they are. It's all a carefully curated image.
This is the best video besides d'angelo wallace's video that ive seen talking on this situation, you didnt just repeat everything d'angelo said in his video and but ACTUALLY added to it and your own take on it, showing that you genuinely gaf, giving advice, like lowkey your response to people defending him really opened my mind even more making me realise the situation is even worse than i thought it was, thank you truly ❤
I remember showing my boyfriend some That’s Cringe videos. He thought it was funny and wanted to see some more vids from Cody. I myself actually didn’t watch Cody in a long while so we both watched a recent couples react and he noticed something I didn’t. “Huh, him and his gf act kinda different nowadays.” He explained that they seemed to act similar to LA influencers that Cody use to make fun of a few years back and now I can’t unsee it.
i have been a fan of cody's for years now and unlike you, i did find him funny and for the worse, wholesome until very recently. it was heartbreaking for me to find out that the person who gave me comfort and hope, in this world, in men, had been the most disgusting version of the very men that he made me gain faith towards (after being a victim of several). your video (much like D'Angelo's) was like a hug to that young person who had the exact same journey as you into finding cody after enduring so much. thank you for making this video. this one meant a lot to me
He just performed a DJ set in Vegas today, and there were tons of people applauding him. He’s probably lawyered up and truly thinks this will go away. Absolutely despicable stuff. Good on you for using your platform to keep the proverbial foot on the gas pedal.
A few years back, my favorite photographer was outed by 50+ women as a predator, racist, and homophobe. It still hurts, but back when it happened, it broke me for a few weeks. The connection I had to his work felt more profound and meaningful to me than most art ever could, does, or will. To this day, I still struggle to understand how such a bad person could create art that spoke to me so deeply. He knew I was his biggest fan, so he privately messaged me, attempt to convince me not to believe anything that was being said, as if there weren't more than *FIFTY* women coming forward, multiple that I personally knew within the photography community, and google drive links with hundreds of incriminating screenshots that spanned over years. I responded by telling him how disappointed and disgusted I was, that I'll no longer be supporting him, that I side with the victims, and then I unfollowed him on all platforms and have never looked back. No matter how much a loss like that hurt, nothing is worth shying away from abuse. This was a great discussion that got me thinking. You have a new sub :)
The beauty you see in the works other people produce and the ways you interpret them speak to your own strengths and creativity. The meaning you got from the art is transmuted through your act of finding it meaningful and forming your own lattices of connection with it. In no way does that reduce the horror and unforgivable nature of what that person has done. You did the right thing. The artist matters far less than the art, and I say this as an artist myself. My work will outlive me and be meaningful to people who may never know my name, at least for me that’s kinda the point. I’ve been incredibly inspired both by works I find genuine beauty in from monstrous people, and by works I find almost endlessly fascinating in their ghoulishness both in subject and in their creators as people. Anyone who has been inspired by things made by ghouls, the humanity and intricacy your interpretation pulls from the works is a testament to you, not the creator. There are entire fields of artistic study about the relationships between a piece and the viewer, that part of the conversation can and often must happen without supporting the artist, with condemning their actions, with advocating for and believing victims. You cannot affect how something once moved you. Good on y’all who don’t find the makers of works you find beautiful to be mutually exclusive with the beauty being derived from the viewer’s interpretation itself.
This was extremely well put, succinct and had great personal insight while also encouraging other young men to take action when they are far too often advised otherwise.
sorry, can I just say as a victim of SA myself, its SO refreshing to hear someone mature enough to SAY rape? Im so sick of the tiktok like self censorships calling it "grape" or even worse "kid diddling" (seriously WTF.) Idk it just feels nice to have someone take it seriously enough to not call it some tiktok-censorship-shit :)
i’m really moved by your heart-to-heart moment with any ‘guys’ watching. “don’t be the reason an abuser still has good friends, despite being a piece of shit.” damn. thank you for contributing and making this video :)
New sub. I LOVE your candid coverage of this. I’ve been scared to watch people I don’t usually watch (and even some I do) talk about this because I am sick of hearing the subtle misogyny that comes with any kind of allegations. I also love that you weren’t afraid to use words that lead to demonetization. I understand why people have to censor or replace words - not just for revenue but also to keep from having the video suppressed. But still I think some exceptions should be made. It’s weirdly comforting to hear you use the words “statutory rape” when nobody else will say it. I just really enjoy how succinctly you go into things and how you’re not afraid to say what you think. It’s a breath of fresh air. 😊
I literally do not care what Cody has to say because i believe he did it and as a survivor myself, i have long since stopped caring what the predator has to say, good or bad. The only person i want to hear talk is Kelsey, tbh. The women around male abusers are always the enablers, in my experience.
Solid video! I hate for her that she went from not feeling a certain way about the whole ordeal to having to process it as a trauma alongside half the internet calling her story bs. Its why soooooo many people never come out with their stories...🤷♀️
I always found tana abrasive, cringeworthy and quite frankly a horrible person on the platform who at the time (when she was still young) i wouldn't have missed if she was deplatformed. That being said. Hearing that she's gone through awful stuff like that (whilst it doesn't excuse her abhorrent behaviour back then) makes it a little more understandable. Someone whose gone through immense trauma tends to either shrivel up or do a complete 180° and ends up an extravert with no filter and can be uncomfortably out there. Especially those who have experienced SA. I hope she can find peace with her past and be happy in the present and the future nobody deserves to go through horrible stuff like that and the fact to her its the tip of the iceberg. Wow. Poor girl.
This video got recommended to me, I've never seen your channel before, but I'm subscribing cause you're speaking up about such an important topic while people in influential power like Cody Ko are so desperately trying to uphold a false facade. I also really appreciate the direct message to men, as they can also greatly help prevent SA happening to others, especially women. Thank you a lot! Your empathetic understanding of why women are afraid of a random man in the woods is so refreshing to see.
Danny and Drew didn’t copy him DIRECTLY, they are actually good people who don’t take advantage of minors. Edit:I have read the replies and you guys are right. I do not know Danny or Drew personally so I do not know what they have done but I doubt they have done anything like Cody has done.
DON'T FORGET...the vast majority of the anonymous internet is teenagers. I'm pretty it's the reason there are SO many commenters defending Cody as if he's being cancelled for chewing the wrong brand of bubblegum. They don't yet realize how young they are (and many of them are in fact offended by the idea that teenagers are naive and still children.) I myself was shocked by the invisible, mental second "puberty" I've sped through between the ages of 19 and 24. There's this idea that once you're 18, you'll never mature quite as fast as you did in middle school. I believe this can only true if you're stunted (and to be fair, many powerful, outspoken people are.)
I’ve been preoccupied with this topic for a week, and it feels weird and out of character for me. But the timing is such that I’m finally processing (in therapy) the trauma of being groomed at 17 by a much older man. We dated for 2 years during which he used me as a therapist for problems WAY over my head and coerced me into doing things I was not even close to being ready for. He and I became friends again after many years; he had grown tf up, took responsibility, and was a wonderful friend after that. I learned so much from that friendship. But I hadn’t fully processed the age thing yet, just the generally toxic nature of the romantic relationship. I’m 35 and just now facing the role that age and experience had in how my adult life turned out. I can’t sleep, I struggle to eat, my stomach is turning all the time - but it’s a vast improvement from the numb, self-destructive non-existence I was living before. And yes, I’m ending that friendship. He’s a different person now, but at the same time he will never not be the person that did that to me. So yeah, I normally don’t get stuck on stuff like this, but this one hits close to home. And hey, it led me to this channel, and I think I’ll subscribe. 🤗 Thanks for putting this together. It’s not just for Tana or to put pressure on Cody, it also helps people like me and others who may be dealing with this weirdly normalized “dating high school girls” thing, past or present. ❤️
I hate liking artists or RUclipsrs or anyone and then finding out they’re bad people. I’m a part of the Minecraft fandom, and we’ve definitely had some people turn out to be really bad and it sucks. :(
Thank you for actually doing something about this through a fundraiser. Just donated! I also really appreciate the original content instead of just reacting to D’Angelo’s video. Keep up the good work! ❤️
i know you may not see this, but if someone does and it helps them that’s all i need. i just want to say, as a 16 year old girl myself, this video not only called out Cody, as well as other content creators who have done similar things like this, but to also not idolize creators you like. it truely blows my mind to think people are even capable of doing things like this, and handle it in such incompetent and cruel ways. this made me want to stand up for myself and also call creators out for their bs, no matter how much i like them. everybody is human, and deserves to speak their truth.
I appreciate your willingness to talk about other videos that came out on the topic. RUclipsrs who cover drama can often get really annoying about basically just constantly freeloading on each other's research, so its always a green flag when theres some transparancy about when youre getting your info from someone else, and when youre trying to add thoughts and ideas of your own to the discussion. great video!
Something ive not seen anyone else consider is that Tana may not associate this experience with trauma now, but what about when she gets to 30, 40 or like me at 48. This shit circles my brain and has done since my mid 20's. The older i get, the more im outraged by what happened to me. No one considers that Tana's early experiences will have played a part in her developing the unlikeable persona she shows online. I genuinely hope she continues to grow and heal. Kody will have to respond eventually but people have short memories and he will bounce back relatively unscathed. My best wish for him is that his wife has a baby girl next. Maybe then there will be a significant change in his attitude.
True. Some people have pointed out that in her earlier videos from when she was starting out on RUclips she was never in her house and was staying at friends houses, etc. She also mentioned her parents were awful and she spoke about the full depth of what they did her father would sue her.
this has been the first video I've seen, that didn't just praise D'Angelo and make excuses for jot covering this sooner, but acctually added to the conversation (and also refered to tana like she is a human being, not some plot device in cody's crimes), thank you
I appreciate you actually using the word rape and not using ridiculous cover words like grape or “r-word” in order to maintain monetization at all costs. I feel like not using the proper words for things like this slightly takes away from the message and makes it feel like a joke or something
if an idol doesnt recognise his actual power over his fans especially younger girls/boys its just blatant excuse either in their head or a manipulative tactic, the very tactic they use to gain more access to young impressionable lives. own up to your responsibilities.
other men condemning him is really bringing me to tears like deangelos video really made me cry and im choking up at yours right now its so refreshing to hear this take instead of those like the comments you showed sayingnoh well she consented overshadowing her experiences , as a victim of SA it is sickening to read things like that and im thanking god right now for those like you and deangelo and hassan for taking a stand with her instead of staying silent because you never had to make this video so thank you
MANY videos about the Cody Ko situation have glossed over Tana's own words so thank you for showing the amount of clips that you did. It's important to show that trauma isn't black and white
For anyone who’s seen Promising Young Woman, Cody Ko is 100% Bo Burnham’s character in the movie. I say that as a recently former Cody fan. He had me fooled
i dont usually comment on videos, but this video is very well laid out. you did amazing at formating this, and im glad theres people laying it out plainly like this.
On the topic of Marilyn Manson, I urge everyone to watch the documentary by Evan Rachel Wood called “Phoenix Rising”. It’s about her gathering all the evidence of his abuse, getting in touch with abuse victims and trying to keep her family safe because Brian is going out of his way to find her. Please watch it, Evan also went through the same thing Tana Mongeau went through since Evan was on the movie Thirteen where she played an easily influenced 13 year old girl.
This is the first I’m hearing about this situation, so even if you’re “late” to this, thank you. Anyone saying something about it helps, since there’s always at least one person who will be hearing about it for the first time, and when it’s serious stuff like this, it’s absolutely important that everyone knows! :D
I’m new to your channel but I think you made a very graceful video, establishing the facts, acknowledging d’angelo but also adding your view and I found that really valuable. I hate learning and relearning that there are no green flags, unless you really know someone, there are no indicators of goodness. What makes someone look like a good guy can be manufactured so easily, that our standards have to be even higher.
You opening this with talking. Abt Marilyn Manson bc that man used to be my hero in every sense of the word but when I found out the type of person he really was I immediately knew the realities of the music scene that they were most likely true
Earlier this year, he released a video covering embarrassing marriage proposals, and regarding one where a woman was put on blast by her partner with the cameras, crowd, and announcers at a ball game and then turned his proposal down, he said she should’ve just said yes while in the spotlight. I saw a lot of people in the comments single it out, calling it a very bad take and that the uncomfortableness of the situation pushes people to say yes. Proud of those who said so, but I thought it was just a fluke in his reasoning at first, and when the allegations dropped his reasoning about that proposal was the first thing I thought about.
i read marilyn manson’s autobiography in high school and i used to think he was so cool. i recall some…off putting moments from the book so it wasn’t surprising that 16 people have accused him of stuff. really good intro to this situation and this is one of the best videos i’ve seen on this topic. gonna be checking out your other stuff!!
Legally, 17 year olds can be with 18 year olds, but only if they were dating before they turned 18. That's the ONE legal avenue that's seen as okay. The dude was 25. People need to get it through their heads that even 18 was only made the legal age, because the government wanted more soldiers during I can't remember which war. Only children who want to be seen as mature or creeps believe that 17 is "practically 18". Gross.
no bc someone under charlie’s video tried arguing with me that everyone’s morals are different so we don’t have a right to say a grown man hooking up with a teenager is morally wrong?? people are really exposing themselves out here
I must say the intro for this video was very impactful. (this comment is more about influence generally) a lot of us who like artists that are alt feel like we can relate to the artist music so we find comfort in them. When I started liking emo music around 13 I found so much comfort in the music and people. and now I am an adult and sat here having to google "[name of band] allegations" because 4 people I used to look up to or find comfort in their content turned out to be horrible people who took advantage of their vulnerable fanbase of some misunderstood teens who looked up to those people, to only have them rip that comfort away once the person exploited the fan. I hope my comment makes sense.
Someone just donated a dollar, which means since this is my first time attempting to do a fundraiser we just raised our first donation to a good and cool cause. I have the coolest community, thank you!!
I'm new to your channel (just going around watching different Cody tea) and I really appreciate your intention to do good with this video by attaching a fundraiser. Good on you for actually trying to *do something* to help victims like Tana ❤
Hey Daniel, you’ve probably seen me comment before or the dm I sent you telling you to do the dance moms video. I just want to say, as a teenager, this video was worded amazingly. I hope we can all do something to help Tana, but not just Tana, multiple other victims that have been kept quiet. As a victim of similar ass@últ it can really wear on someone especially if it’s a minor. No bigger mentor should be able to take advantage of smaller (younger) fans. I’m so glad you’re bringing more awareness to the topic and it was done extremely well.
$117 now :)
@@garyrobinson5655 $153 now!
I can’t donate any money right now, but is there any other way I can contribute?
i love the gabbie clip both because its a literal smoking gun buried in all the old content she deleted but also because when she says "oh my god thank you for telling me" its actually a solid cody ko impression
it really is. i can just imagine him saying that in that exact way
The idea that this is how he (too characteristically not to believe) responded before sleeping with her that night is so disappointing. The existence of a frat boy type with feminist takes and a good head on his shoulder made me question my belief system and gave me some sense of hope and security. Now, not only do I feel the need to doubt the authenticity of content creators (duh, I should've done so all along,) but also I question the authenticity of men who present as trustworthy in general. Because again, benevolence being fake for the fans is valid and not a radical concept, but he ALSO faked benevolence 1on1 at a party to a fellow creator who's known online for lying and gossiping anyway...just, why?
...I mean, is celebrity worship really the MOST important discussion to have if he lies even off camera and his friends seem just as blindsided as the fans? There's no shortage of noncelebrity ivy league frat boys who are just fake in general and get away with this kind of thing continuously because their closest friends on earth swear he'd never do such a thing
@@chloerose1342as a man who despises other men, especially ones like Cody, don't trust men, period. I'm not saying be a paranoid looney, but as a whole we can not be trusted. MOST men, and that's not at all an exaggeration, are sexual deviants and will do vile things as soon as no one is watching. Be careful, be safe, be slow to trust people. We are evil monkeys period, we aren't inherently good. Please for the love of God, never ever just trust a man for any reason.
Lmao I was just going to say the same thing, I can absolutely picture Cody Ko saying it that way
it tickles me every time i hear it bc man, it’s so spot on
I think the moral of the story that we keep seeing over and over is don't idolise people you don't know
I don't think you should idolize anyone in general. If you put people on a pedestal, it's not a healthy way to look at people in general.
@@wurmrave6831 Yeah that's true but it's even more harmful to idolise someone who's personality is almost entirely false like celebrities or influencers
Good advice.
@@reesevanhoven6659 I always hate this idea that commentary channels cant do anything wrong just because they expose others. There are some commentary channels that I feel are a little questionable.
@@eko9554Which other commentary channels are you thinking about?
fun fact: the Cody Ko subreddit is now unmoderated. the last of his active moderators quit. it’s a free-for-all over there right now.
Yeah, there’s a whole thread there blowing up about him dating another high schooler around the same time, with receipts
Emma Chamberlain hanging around Cody Ko and Kelsey Krüppel at age 16 👀
@@gauner1312you saw the juul clip too😅
@@Chucanellinow i know where I’m going next yikes
oh good!
6:04 You’re not “too old” to be on RUclips, Cody. One is never really too old for RUclips. You are, however, too old to be hooking up with a 17 year old.
LOUDER BECAUSE CLEARLY HE DOESNT GET IT !!!
Totally agree with you.
Literally no such thing as too old for RUclips. One of my favorite creators is Life with Sandra Hart, and she is a widow in her 80s. She makes normal content about her youth, grief, and what her life is like today and manages to do it all without being creepy! What a concept.
@@wmhfv992 Two others that come to mind is Cooking with Lynja and Cooking with Fred. Such sweet souls! RIP Lynja.
@@ThePixelatedWarrior2008 Ugh, Lynja! It still feels SO recent. Absolutely love her and so glad her memory lives in on the content she made.
What's most crazy to me is how people try to say Tana looked older, yet in that old video where she has pink hair she legit looks like a baby. A whole teenager. She did not "look older" she looked like a 17 year old.
And also how gabbie directly told kody that she's a minor
Fr like ffs it’s probably the whole “brain underdeveloped” thing at play here guys
Her voice even sounds young too 😢
The people saying it in bad faith are trying to s’ualize a teenager in public and provide themselves an excuse to do so
The people doing it in good faith- I only argue that’s even possible to do bc they would have been her age or younger to think she looks like an adult. Once you get older than that it’s undeniable that she looks like a kid smh
I agree. She definitely wasn’t giving off “mature looking and wise beyond her years” energy people are trying to say she is. I’m 19 and probably would never hang out with someone like 17 year-old Tana bc she’s obviously such a child. The way Cody looks at her in those videos makes my skin crawl tbh
Just bc a victim doesn’t cry or isn’t necessarily traumatized by the situation doesn’t make it any less of a crime. If someone committed an attempted murder and the victim was able to stay strong and move on from the situation and not have trauma, that doesn’t just mean it’s not a crime anymore. A crime is a crime, it doesn’t matter if a victim is traumatized by it or not. Everyone handles situations differently and reacts to things differently, just bc she is can talk about it without crying and isn’t necessarily traumatized does not erase the crime committed. You can’t decide weather something is a crime or not simply by how much a victim is traumatized by a situation. A crime isn’t decided on whether a victim was traumatized or not, a crime is a crime even if the victim isn’t traumatized by the situation.
Also, many victims experience disassociation, denial, and shame during and after the experience. For people to think victims should react a certain way is a form of retraumatization as its shaming and not supportive. It also treats the situation like entertainment instead of the serious matter that it is
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Yeah when I heard both D'Angelo and Charlie covered it I immediately knew, he hit a career ender
Exactly right.
Charlie didnt cover anything. he just played D'Angelo's video while adding nothing to the discussion. he only did that to cover his own ass and say he spoke up.
@@lunoodles4609I also got this vibe ngl, like he saw the video and rushed to make his, his video felt like he was rushing to get to the point.
@@shanel4294 yup so people trying to put him next to D'Angelo is aggravating to me. he didn't even do the bare minimum.
That’s like a lot of Charlie’s content lmaoooo. See sssniperwolf situation
It’s time for him to sell the DJ equipment and time for him to invest in a ukulele. Cause it seems like he’s not answering when we are Colleen.
So true!
how does it feel to be the funniest person here
Hate that he had me fooled with the performative feminism.
Girl hes a frat boy like what-
same smh
I feel so scammed
Why are you even surprised? I never trusted straight white guy youtubers with a majority female audience. Nothing against straight whit guys, of course, but the ones who have a majority female audience give off a major "pick me" vibe.
I always thought that Noel was the misogynistic one. but i wasn’t particularly surprised hearing all of this about cody
It's disgusting that it falls back into "they wanted it" especially in dynamics of power an Idol has over a fan. The censorship of those that are trying to talk about it really causes a terrifying output to those suffering SA.
Yes, I think it’s completely disgusting too given the power dynamic, and also to add on, Tana wasn’t at the age where she can consent to it. Cody should’ve stopped what ended up happening in it’s tracks right away because he was the adult in the situation.
It really makes it hard to speak out.
@@LisaHarvey16 that it does, it really makes it feel kinda pointless.
@@blond-s7o But, people have to keep on trying for the sake of humanity.
@@LisaHarvey16 that we do, each step forward is progress for the future
"Tana was close enough!" Those people need their hard drives looked at.
Yes.
FR another comment section (where I said that as a 17 year old, 25 is too old for me) and I had people asking me if I was a virgin, and saying that if I wasn't, then I was a hypocrite?? it's gross asf
@@barbecuedsimsbaby WHAT THE HELL!?😨😨😨
@@dorathefake ikr :(
@@barbecuedsimsbabyyeah this shit is fucking wild.
I was hesitant when this first started going around to believe it purely off the chance they might have been false allegations, but it seems with everything that has surfaced, it’s basically proven that he did everything.
I, even just being 21, feel that even the thought of me being with a 17 year old is beyond fucking gross and disgusting. I can’t imagine what kind of crooked mind you need to justify being 25 and sleeping with a 17 year old.
I've noticed that a lot of people are feminist *only* when it's convenient for them. They don't realize that they can't live up to their own ideals, but expect others to. It's pretty demoralizing what it says about humanity.
EXACTLY! like how are you able to claim you’re a feminist or believe in all victims and then proceed to defend it when it’s someone you look up to?
THIS!
It's a cool term for many people but that's it :I
It's more like people are feminist because it's a quick way to build a following and social media career to make money, especially for white men. Most of the men in these progressive/feminist spaces are just grifters.
If people spoke about this when I was a teen I would not have felt as though it was a normal thing. So good to hear people talking about this. Hope all men who hooked up with underage girls are listening..Truth always comes out.
The truth always surfaces eventually.
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The ones listening (at least most of them) aren’t going to be guilty of that unfortunately. Just the regular dudes.
Why is no one talking about the fact he hasn't posted since D'Angelo's video came out? Even though he posted daily for months before that??
i actually didnt notice that, wow i hope it's a sign he can't run away from this anymore but also i'm not going to get my hopes up he'll say anything ugh
He has a second channel, I don't follow it but someone (Charlie, I think, but I've watched a few videos on the topic and I might be wrong) said he was posting there. He's hiding from it, but he still wants to milk the RUclips cash cow.
@@transsnack the second channel is the one I'm talking about. He used to post daily except I think sundays?? Now it's been like 5 days since his last video
Not one person close to him has posted either
He’s probably looking for a lawyer. Let’s be real here, he needs one. Cody wants to be smart and not pull a Colleen. I just hope that he’ll be honest about everything that’s going on and he’ll address all of this like an actual adult unlike little miss kinder gardner lipstick.
He really didn't go after people for being mysogynist unless they where bad at being predators..... He never covered a high profile predtor or anything, so now looking back it's just him saying "look at these guys doing a bad job at something that I also do".
The pot calling the kettle Black!
@@LisaHarvey16 he just called it bad pot but we didn't realize that he was also a pot...
@@cookingwithsilence Exactly.
@@LisaHarvey16 the pot look at another pot and go *ping
real lmao
Been getting a lot of smaller commentators in my feed. This is def one of the better ones
I'm even smaller. This was a great video.
That “teen slang” bit always gets me. I’ve watched nearly every video youtubers etc have made on this and every time that video of their collab where he says that comes up, it makes me feel incredibly uneasy. I don’t usually immerse myself in controversy to this extent but Cody was one of my all time favourite youtubers, with TMG being the only podcast I listened to, and to learn of his seedy past, where he literally went through with sleeping with a 17 y/o when he was 25 has changed that. I can’t ever look at him the same way. Especially since seeing evidence of him behaving similarly with another 17 y/o when he was 24 and when he and his wife had a 16 year old in their vlogs who they filmed and encouraged to do a vape hit. Both of these extra things I heard about on Reddit.
She literally fed the nic stick to Emma and called her a “baby bird” I’m not with the people who think Kelsey didn’t know
Not only that, but his ACTUALLY criminal friend. i didn't know about this but him staying friends with such a terrible guy made my stomach turn
big ups for an actual take on this subject. everyone else just point to deangelo wallace's video and im serious man this was a good video
Totally agree.
appreciate the in-depth video. as someone who has experienced trauma as a minor at the hands of an adult. the few times i have spoken up (because of course the judge didn't want to take it to court) remind me how far we have to go. the constant boys club and dismissiveness of women because "he's my friend. he never did anything like that to me" is exhausting and really diminishes any hope i have for justice
i don’t know you or your story, but i believe you
I started going to Vidcon as a teenager, I got to go with my friend. I saved up and my parents couldn't even afford to go with me if they wanted to (not that I wanted them to) but they were pretty nervous about me going. They were uncomfortable that I would be so close to young men I idolized. I remember thinking it was so silly.
I have a photo from that Vidcon with Tom Milsom who, it was later revealed, was in an abusive relationship with an 15/16 year old fan.
As a girl who has seen and been through some stuff in frat houses on my own campus, I genuinely believe there are two kinds of frat guys. The ones that do the sa and the ones that stay quiet about it to protect their “brother”. I feel dumb for thinking Cody wasn’t like his roots
i think one of the worst parts is the reaction people have had to tana. the amount of victim blaming and minimizing that has occurred just because people dont like her is disgusting.
edit: oh my god that podcast clip with her at around 8 minutes is heartwrenching. absolutely agree with the other person that you cant do that to yourself. it doesnt matter how much or how little trauma youve received, or how your trauma compares to others. trauma is trauma, and you have the right to both be in pain and heal from it
I think it sometimes help to think of trauma in the same way you'd think about a physical injury. A paper cut hurts a lot, but only because it's so small an injury it didn't trigger any survival instincts. But you can walk miles on a broken leg if the circumstances are correct. It might never heal right, and it'll ache for years at the site of the break, but in the short term it's manageable. Right up until it crumbles from under you.
She's still walking on that broken leg. I'm not sure how much further she can take it though.
The reason why morons aren't treating this seriously is because it's Tana, which full stop is very very stupid. The fact that the internet rallied against her circa 2017-2018 just because of some insecure white guy who wanted to say "the N word" is crazy and the fact that the rhetoric _still_ carries on to this day is even worse.
@@transsnack honestly fantastic analogy. thank you for sharing
I feel so bad for her.
He victimized her once and him staying silent and allowing people to attack her is victimizing her yet again
i was a VERY long time Cody fan before this all came up. i remember him posting the videos with Tana and every single comment was about the sexual chemistry and how they were “definitely doing it”. but people STILL have the audacity to say she’s lying. it’s sick
The Marilyn Manson to nine inch nails pipeline is a pure and holy journey
Facts, been there done that. The fact that it’s a real thing and not something I individually experienced 😭
I was literally about to comment this. Welcome into the light 💕🥺
I felt called out with that lol. I had so much Marilyn Manson and little NIN. Now I have zero Marilyn Manson and tons of NIN.
NIN supremacy
i went the other way around 😭 i think mostly cuz i assumed the guy was dead idk if thats true
"I like NIN now but that's besides the point" lollllll the best glow up in music taste of all time. From Marilyn Manson to NIN. Manson wishes he could be as bad ass as Trent Reznor
Okay. Okay. The whole 'she wanted it' thing pisses me off. I wasn't SA'd, it might not have even been grooming, but someone older than me was making strange, romantically and somewhat sexually charged comments to me laced with validation and 'it's okays'. And you know what? Yeah. I did want more, because I didn't get that kind of validation from anyone else, and it felt good. But at the same time I was fucking scared because is this going to escalate? How far was she going to take it? I'm okay, I managed to get away from her, but it was fucking scary.
And maybe I did want it.
But that doesn't change the fact it wasn't okay.
Hell, I kinda wanted it too, in a really messed up way. It was the only physical contact I'd had with an adult that wasn't meant to scare or hurt me for years at that point. And it never went passed "just touching", so even I thought it was fine at the time, even if it sometimes made me feel hollow and sick in the pit of my stomach. But I was 14, and he was a family member in his 50s, and somewhere I knew it was wrong. But I was starved for love and physically touch that didn't hurt, so I didn't say no.
And looking back, I shouldn't have had to. He knew, even if I didn't, exactly what he was doing. It wasn't on me to make or maintain that boundary, the literal law was supposed to do that for me. And the worst part is that I can never come forward about it in my personal life. Because I will never be believed. But I know, and he knows, that I'm watching how he treats other kids. And if he even looks at them sideways, he knows I'll notice, and I'll keep him away from them until one of us dies.
Yeah fr. When I was 13 I made out with like a 25yo (idk his exact age but a full grown man) . I wanted it and at the time thought I was so cool that an older man liked me. I relate so much to tana saying that she doesn't necessarily feel traumatised, but it still fucks you up when you get older and realise.. what the FUCK.
@@transsnack"I shouldn't have had to" THIS is what people need to understand. It doesn't matter if someone wants it when they're a literal child. It's the adults responsibility to say no.
it doesn't matter how much a teen wants an adult, it's always the adult's responsibility to not be a creep. the adult is the one who knows better, not the child. it's not your fault.
Ugh just awful. Predators are really good at muddying the waters. No excuse.
Unfortunately very true.
thank you for putting words to my feelings
as soon as you said "it's a slap in the face to the women that watch him who've survived SA" because that's exactly how it fucking feels
I'm ashamed that he had my ass with the performative nice guy shit for so long and it's seriously made me take a look at how I see creators online
As a woman and a sexual assault survivor, I want to say thank you.
Men hold so much more power than they realize and using your platform, no matter how many followers, is very impactful. The more men/boys that start to have these conversations or who shut down victim shaming when it occurs, the more that other men/boys become aware of how they view and speak about women and assault. I think truly the biggest impact about this kind of stuff comes when men hold their friends and/or coworkers/acquantices accountable for their actions and words when it comes to women.
Thank you for handling this with care and humility and for donating proceeds.
Yes. ❤
Well & beautifully said.
Daniel, this is a very small thing, but I appreciate that you are the only male creator I've seen actually say verbatim, "I hope Tana is okay." Of course, I appreciate that people are defending Tana, but showing compassion towards her is something she explicitly stated she wasn't really getting because of who the perpetrator was. I'm sure she's not watching these videos at this point, but someone on Reddit said that this is bigger than just Tana and Cody, this is about all victims of statutory rape whether recent or now adults coming to terms with trauma. Hearing "I hope Tana is okay" can feel like an extension of, "I hope YOU are okay."
The Marilyn Manson talk was so real. I grew up listening to him because of my dad. I was around 13 (I'm 19 now) when I decided to research aboht him. I was left very shook. Its just so shitty. I dont know how I feel about the 'separate the artist from the music', especially when MM's done some terrible stuff.
I read his autobiography then burned it (and I kive books). MM is a totally untalented narcissistic twat.
This doesn't just go for Cody Ko, this goes for everyone. Don't idolise anyone. Do not put anyone on a pedestal above yourself. Your idols are not who you think they are. It's all a carefully curated image.
Doesn't matter if she was sleeping around at a young age that time. If you are a decent adult, you will avoid sleeping with a minor.
This is so important. "Slut shaming" keeps lot of underaged victims from coming forward, when PREDATOR SHAMING should be the norm.
how long will it take for people to realize that minors can’t consent? a minor shouldn’t be blamed for something an ADULT does to them.
This is the best video besides d'angelo wallace's video that ive seen talking on this situation, you didnt just repeat everything d'angelo said in his video and but ACTUALLY added to it and your own take on it, showing that you genuinely gaf, giving advice, like lowkey your response to people defending him really opened my mind even more making me realise the situation is even worse than i thought it was, thank you truly ❤
I remember showing my boyfriend some That’s Cringe videos. He thought it was funny and wanted to see some more vids from Cody. I myself actually didn’t watch Cody in a long while so we both watched a recent couples react and he noticed something I didn’t. “Huh, him and his gf act kinda different nowadays.” He explained that they seemed to act similar to LA influencers that Cody use to make fun of a few years back and now I can’t unsee it.
I watched a lot of videos about this topic, but I think you brought up the most important points. Thank you for that!
i have been a fan of cody's for years now and unlike you, i did find him funny and for the worse, wholesome until very recently. it was heartbreaking for me to find out that the person who gave me comfort and hope, in this world, in men, had been the most disgusting version of the very men that he made me gain faith towards (after being a victim of several). your video (much like D'Angelo's) was like a hug to that young person who had the exact same journey as you into finding cody after enduring so much. thank you for making this video. this one meant a lot to me
He just performed a DJ set in Vegas today, and there were tons of people applauding him. He’s probably lawyered up and truly thinks this will go away. Absolutely despicable stuff. Good on you for using your platform to keep the proverbial foot on the gas pedal.
Wowww he’s still living as normal and ignoring itttt 😮😮😮.
It’s crazy we watched him project onto incels for so long
Also good on you for throwing your hat in the ring to talk about this because you felt strongly ❤
A few years back, my favorite photographer was outed by 50+ women as a predator, racist, and homophobe. It still hurts, but back when it happened, it broke me for a few weeks. The connection I had to his work felt more profound and meaningful to me than most art ever could, does, or will. To this day, I still struggle to understand how such a bad person could create art that spoke to me so deeply. He knew I was his biggest fan, so he privately messaged me, attempt to convince me not to believe anything that was being said, as if there weren't more than *FIFTY* women coming forward, multiple that I personally knew within the photography community, and google drive links with hundreds of incriminating screenshots that spanned over years. I responded by telling him how disappointed and disgusted I was, that I'll no longer be supporting him, that I side with the victims, and then I unfollowed him on all platforms and have never looked back. No matter how much a loss like that hurt, nothing is worth shying away from abuse.
This was a great discussion that got me thinking. You have a new sub :)
The beauty you see in the works other people produce and the ways you interpret them speak to your own strengths and creativity. The meaning you got from the art is transmuted through your act of finding it meaningful and forming your own lattices of connection with it. In no way does that reduce the horror and unforgivable nature of what that person has done.
You did the right thing. The artist matters far less than the art, and I say this as an artist myself. My work will outlive me and be meaningful to people who may never know my name, at least for me that’s kinda the point. I’ve been incredibly inspired both by works I find genuine beauty in from monstrous people, and by works I find almost endlessly fascinating in their ghoulishness both in subject and in their creators as people.
Anyone who has been inspired by things made by ghouls, the humanity and intricacy your interpretation pulls from the works is a testament to you, not the creator. There are entire fields of artistic study about the relationships between a piece and the viewer, that part of the conversation can and often must happen without supporting the artist, with condemning their actions, with advocating for and believing victims. You cannot affect how something once moved you.
Good on y’all who don’t find the makers of works you find beautiful to be mutually exclusive with the beauty being derived from the viewer’s interpretation itself.
@@Lucifersfursona wow, this felt like a warm hug. Thank you so much for sharing. You see me, and thus you free me
This was extremely well put, succinct and had great personal insight while also encouraging other young men to take action when they are far too often advised otherwise.
sorry, can I just say as a victim of SA myself, its SO refreshing to hear someone mature enough to SAY rape? Im so sick of the tiktok like self censorships calling it "grape" or even worse "kid diddling" (seriously WTF.) Idk it just feels nice to have someone take it seriously enough to not call it some tiktok-censorship-shit :)
nvm since after you semi-implied only women can be victims of SA.
i’m really moved by your heart-to-heart moment with any ‘guys’ watching. “don’t be the reason an abuser still has good friends, despite being a piece of shit.” damn. thank you for contributing and making this video :)
New sub. I LOVE your candid coverage of this. I’ve been scared to watch people I don’t usually watch (and even some I do) talk about this because I am sick of hearing the subtle misogyny that comes with any kind of allegations. I also love that you weren’t afraid to use words that lead to demonetization. I understand why people have to censor or replace words - not just for revenue but also to keep from having the video suppressed. But still I think some exceptions should be made. It’s weirdly comforting to hear you use the words “statutory rape” when nobody else will say it.
I just really enjoy how succinctly you go into things and how you’re not afraid to say what you think. It’s a breath of fresh air. 😊
I literally do not care what Cody has to say because i believe he did it and as a survivor myself, i have long since stopped caring what the predator has to say, good or bad. The only person i want to hear talk is Kelsey, tbh. The women around male abusers are always the enablers, in my experience.
Solid video! I hate for her that she went from not feeling a certain way about the whole ordeal to having to process it as a trauma alongside half the internet calling her story bs. Its why soooooo many people never come out with their stories...🤷♀️
I always found tana abrasive, cringeworthy and quite frankly a horrible person on the platform who at the time (when she was still young) i wouldn't have missed if she was deplatformed.
That being said. Hearing that she's gone through awful stuff like that (whilst it doesn't excuse her abhorrent behaviour back then) makes it a little more understandable.
Someone whose gone through immense trauma tends to either shrivel up or do a complete 180° and ends up an extravert with no filter and can be uncomfortably out there. Especially those who have experienced SA.
I hope she can find peace with her past and be happy in the present and the future nobody deserves to go through horrible stuff like that and the fact to her its the tip of the iceberg. Wow. Poor girl.
This video got recommended to me, I've never seen your channel before, but I'm subscribing cause you're speaking up about such an important topic while people in influential power like Cody Ko are so desperately trying to uphold a false facade. I also really appreciate the direct message to men, as they can also greatly help prevent SA happening to others, especially women. Thank you a lot! Your empathetic understanding of why women are afraid of a random man in the woods is so refreshing to see.
Danny and Drew didn’t copy him DIRECTLY, they are actually good people who don’t take advantage of minors. Edit:I have read the replies and you guys are right. I do not know Danny or Drew personally so I do not know what they have done but I doubt they have done anything like Cody has done.
True, it was just a silly joke that aged like milk giving the current situation :(
i hope you realize this is how people felt about kody ko lol
cody with a c wow even worss
Just piping in to say that e don’t know any of these people and so shouldn’t go around confidently extolling their virtues.
😂😂let's not say that just yet.........given more and more allegations keep coming out.
In that case lemme put this video on repeat while I sleep
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Great idea.
DON'T FORGET...the vast majority of the anonymous internet is teenagers. I'm pretty it's the reason there are SO many commenters defending Cody as if he's being cancelled for chewing the wrong brand of bubblegum. They don't yet realize how young they are (and many of them are in fact offended by the idea that teenagers are naive and still children.)
I myself was shocked by the invisible, mental second "puberty" I've sped through between the ages of 19 and 24. There's this idea that once you're 18, you'll never mature quite as fast as you did in middle school. I believe this can only true if you're stunted (and to be fair, many powerful, outspoken people are.)
I’ve been preoccupied with this topic for a week, and it feels weird and out of character for me. But the timing is such that I’m finally processing (in therapy) the trauma of being groomed at 17 by a much older man. We dated for 2 years during which he used me as a therapist for problems WAY over my head and coerced me into doing things I was not even close to being ready for.
He and I became friends again after many years; he had grown tf up, took responsibility, and was a wonderful friend after that. I learned so much from that friendship. But I hadn’t fully processed the age thing yet, just the generally toxic nature of the romantic relationship.
I’m 35 and just now facing the role that age and experience had in how my adult life turned out. I can’t sleep, I struggle to eat, my stomach is turning all the time - but it’s a vast improvement from the numb, self-destructive non-existence I was living before. And yes, I’m ending that friendship. He’s a different person now, but at the same time he will never not be the person that did that to me.
So yeah, I normally don’t get stuck on stuff like this, but this one hits close to home. And hey, it led me to this channel, and I think I’ll subscribe. 🤗 Thanks for putting this together. It’s not just for Tana or to put pressure on Cody, it also helps people like me and others who may be dealing with this weirdly normalized “dating high school girls” thing, past or present. ❤️
I wonder if he thinks if he says something he'll end up in a Tobuscus situation and doesn't want his career to end that way
You mean go off the edge and become a right wing nutjob?
It could still end if he stays silent. Sponsors don't like this kind of thing.
@@LisaHarvey16he takes BetterHelp sponsorships still, with their code of ethics they’d sponsor Jared Fogel.
i never really watched cody cuz he just wasn't funny to me
Real.
💯💯 Too real.
Never knew he existed.
Same, I only learnt about him today
Yep.
Thank you for covering this. Truly means everything to speak up about abuse 🙏
Lot of respect for you voicing your take, thank you
This is the first video of yours that I have seen. You’ve earned a sub from me. Thank you for being a real ally to women and to victims everywhere.
I hate liking artists or RUclipsrs or anyone and then finding out they’re bad people.
I’m a part of the Minecraft fandom, and we’ve definitely had some people turn out to be really bad and it sucks.
:(
Thank you for actually doing something about this through a fundraiser. Just donated! I also really appreciate the original content instead of just reacting to D’Angelo’s video. Keep up the good work! ❤️
i know you may not see this, but if someone does and it helps them that’s all i need. i just want to say, as a 16 year old girl myself, this video not only called out Cody, as well as other content creators who have done similar things like this, but to also not idolize creators you like. it truely blows my mind to think people are even capable of doing things like this, and handle it in such incompetent and cruel ways. this made me want to stand up for myself and also call creators out for their bs, no matter how much i like them. everybody is human, and deserves to speak their truth.
earned my sub lol. glad to see more people talking about the cody ko situation! it's a good video
the 'idgaf' movement you felt from marilyn and goth music is what i felt with hardcore punk rock as a kid lol. good ass video man, im subbing for sure
I appreciate your willingness to talk about other videos that came out on the topic. RUclipsrs who cover drama can often get really annoying about basically just constantly freeloading on each other's research, so its always a green flag when theres some transparancy about when youre getting your info from someone else, and when youre trying to add thoughts and ideas of your own to the discussion. great video!
Something ive not seen anyone else consider is that Tana may not associate this experience with trauma now, but what about when she gets to 30, 40 or like me at 48. This shit circles my brain and has done since my mid 20's. The older i get, the more im outraged by what happened to me.
No one considers that Tana's early experiences will have played a part in her developing the unlikeable persona she shows online.
I genuinely hope she continues to grow and heal.
Kody will have to respond eventually but people have short memories and he will bounce back relatively unscathed. My best wish for him is that his wife has a baby girl next. Maybe then there will be a significant change in his attitude.
True. Some people have pointed out that in her earlier videos from when she was starting out on RUclips she was never in her house and was staying at friends houses, etc. She also mentioned her parents were awful and she spoke about the full depth of what they did her father would sue her.
Fascinating! I’m glad i live under a particular rock! I had never heard of Cody Ko until this week
Same here.
Same here, only heard of him
because of this video
this has been the first video I've seen, that didn't just praise D'Angelo and make excuses for jot covering this sooner, but acctually added to the conversation (and also refered to tana like she is a human being, not some plot device in cody's crimes), thank you
I appreciate you actually using the word rape and not using ridiculous cover words like grape or “r-word” in order to maintain monetization at all costs. I feel like not using the proper words for things like this slightly takes away from the message and makes it feel like a joke or something
I assumed this was just gonna be another drama / tea video, but this was so much more. Great video!
if an idol doesnt recognise his actual power over his fans especially younger girls/boys its just blatant excuse either in their head or a manipulative tactic, the very tactic they use to gain more access to young impressionable lives. own up to your responsibilities.
Really loved this video, bro. First video I've seen from you. Enough to get me to subscribe.
"Later I became enlightened and awesome, and I like NIN now." HA! Words to live by.
you are so well spoken im so glad i gave this video my time
thank you for sticking up for her i love her !! so much all victims deserve a voice
other men condemning him is really bringing me to tears like deangelos video really made me cry and im choking up at yours right now its so refreshing to hear this take instead of those like the comments you showed sayingnoh well she consented overshadowing her experiences , as a victim of SA it is sickening to read things like that and im thanking god right now for those like you and deangelo and hassan for taking a stand with her instead of staying silent because you never had to make this video so thank you
This is my first videos of yours seeing. As a survivor myself, thanks so.much for making this and for the fundraiser you're raising donations for. ❤
i really admire men who have a mindset like yours. thank you for voicing your opinions and talking about this
MANY videos about the Cody Ko situation have glossed over Tana's own words so thank you for showing the amount of clips that you did. It's important to show that trauma isn't black and white
For anyone who’s seen Promising Young Woman, Cody Ko is 100% Bo Burnham’s character in the movie. I say that as a recently former Cody fan. He had me fooled
i have so much respect for you . thank you for speaking out about this
You having this go to a fundraiser says all I need to know about your morals. You got a supporter and subscriber in me
i dont usually comment on videos, but this video is very well laid out. you did amazing at formating this, and im glad theres people laying it out plainly like this.
On the topic of Marilyn Manson, I urge everyone to watch the documentary by Evan Rachel Wood called “Phoenix Rising”. It’s about her gathering all the evidence of his abuse, getting in touch with abuse victims and trying to keep her family safe because Brian is going out of his way to find her. Please watch it, Evan also went through the same thing Tana Mongeau went through since Evan was on the movie Thirteen where she played an easily influenced 13 year old girl.
Yes! I urge any one to watch it. Evan Rachel Wood is inspiring
This is prob the best coverage of it. Used to watch Cody, never will again.
your voice is important, no matter the subscriber count! thank you for speaking up, i hope to see you go far dude.
This is the first I’m hearing about this situation, so even if you’re “late” to this, thank you. Anyone saying something about it helps, since there’s always at least one person who will be hearing about it for the first time, and when it’s serious stuff like this, it’s absolutely important that everyone knows! :D
You're right 😢. I'm never meeting you
I’m new to your channel but I think you made a very graceful video, establishing the facts, acknowledging d’angelo but also adding your view and I found that really valuable.
I hate learning and relearning that there are no green flags, unless you really know someone, there are no indicators of goodness. What makes someone look like a good guy can be manufactured so easily, that our standards have to be even higher.
New subscriber its good to see more channels speaking on cody and tana thank you.
You opening this with talking. Abt Marilyn Manson bc that man used to be my hero in every sense of the word but when I found out the type of person he really was I immediately knew the realities of the music scene that they were most likely true
Also, the company you keep, could put other women in danger if they trust you and your judgement
Damn, good point
Earlier this year, he released a video covering embarrassing marriage proposals, and regarding one where a woman was put on blast by her partner with the cameras, crowd, and announcers at a ball game and then turned his proposal down, he said she should’ve just said yes while in the spotlight. I saw a lot of people in the comments single it out, calling it a very bad take and that the uncomfortableness of the situation pushes people to say yes. Proud of those who said so, but I thought it was just a fluke in his reasoning at first, and when the allegations dropped his reasoning about that proposal was the first thing I thought about.
i read marilyn manson’s autobiography in high school and i used to think he was so cool. i recall some…off putting moments from the book so it wasn’t surprising that 16 people have accused him of stuff. really good intro to this situation and this is one of the best videos i’ve seen on this topic. gonna be checking out your other stuff!!
Legally, 17 year olds can be with 18 year olds, but only if they were dating before they turned 18. That's the ONE legal avenue that's seen as okay.
The dude was 25.
People need to get it through their heads that even 18 was only made the legal age, because the government wanted more soldiers during I can't remember which war.
Only children who want to be seen as mature or creeps believe that 17 is "practically 18". Gross.
Thinking about the age gap it’s almost a whole decade apart when she is 25 he would be 34 or 33 that’s such a huge difference in life
meaningful contribution to the conversation, taught me things and offered additional perspective, thank you and good work~!
no bc someone under charlie’s video tried arguing with me that everyone’s morals are different so we don’t have a right to say a grown man hooking up with a teenager is morally wrong?? people are really exposing themselves out here
you are my lunch youtuber now
The section where you addressed men and what they should look out for in situations like this should be a PSA in itself. It was well said.
first time watching your videos, amazing take- new sub thank you for speaking out
This is the best video I’ve seen on this topic.
I must say the intro for this video was very impactful. (this comment is more about influence generally) a lot of us who like artists that are alt feel like we can relate to the artist music so we find comfort in them. When I started liking emo music around 13 I found so much comfort in the music and people. and now I am an adult and sat here having to google "[name of band] allegations" because 4 people I used to look up to or find comfort in their content turned out to be horrible people who took advantage of their vulnerable fanbase of some misunderstood teens who looked up to those people, to only have them rip that comfort away once the person exploited the fan. I hope my comment makes sense.