K24A2 TSX ENGINE SWAPPED INTO K20A2 RSX TYPE S USING STOCK PRB TILL HE CAN GET A HONDATA K PRO
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- K24A2 TSX ENGINE MOTOR SWAP INTO A K20A2 2002 2003 or 2004 ACURA RSX TYPE S 6 speed with Stock PRB ECU COMPUTER until he gets HONDATA KPRO K-PRO. FULL HOW TO K SWAP A K24 into a RSX OR HONDA INTEGRA DC5
I drove my kfrank with a prb ecu for years, but babied it. Finally got around to tuning it several months ago. Feels great
Truly grateful for this video. currently in the process of k24 swapping my 06 type s and this video answered all the questions. Thank you🙏🏼
Good deal! 😁
which kpro can i use for my 06 rsx type s for k24, the 02-04 ecu or 02-04 ecu with adapter harness
have you got your swap done?
Swapping my base with k24a2 this is great info
How did it go
Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video and for all the little details! You've got onother subscriber. Keep up the good work
Thanks for the sub!
Excellent video!👍🏻 Need some Honda content in future videos.
Its so strange to be watching k swap videos and in the test drive see places you recognize. I live in the same are.
I've been driving an '04 SI EP3 with a K24A2 on the stock K20A3 ECU for about 5,000 miles so far, runs just OK, but it seems a bit rich. Maybe, Santa will bring me a standalone ECU.
Wow that’s a big difference between motors. I hope data comes with one 😂 The cam profiles are nothing alike. K24a2 has true vtec on both cams. K20a3 has only 1 vtec cam. You could have drop a k24 from an accord, element or crv and it’d ran the same style head and been pretty good, safe and you’d had more torque. But… you have 2 options to make it run better kpro would be best & easiest or get a stock type s prb from an 02-04 rsx type s and run the k tuned immobilizer or get an ecu with matching key or have your key programmed to it. You will be happier when you get to use the power, hope you were nice not naughty 👿 and maybe someone will get you one
Don't forget to use the standard flywheel bolts and not the automatic ones.
That’s right the short automatic ones have the tendency to back out!
God bless you for this video ! Quick question man, did you throw in the type s oil pump in the k24?
Not in this one, I’m bout to cut one and put in another. I’ve made a video on it and it got corrupt b4 I could upload it.
I've been running my prb for years. Glad to see this video. Do you feel safe confirming that the prb is god enough for long time driving? In you opinion. I'd be very interested to hear
I’m sorry waited a while to respond but I wanted to see how the car did. He has been driving it every day and against my advice he has raced it several times. I don’t think he is gonna get k pro until he turbos it since it’s been running good.
The VTC can’t get to where it needs to be having a 25 degree instead of the 50 degree 37 was the most I saw on the stock prb map. But it wasn’t at the higher rpms. The ecu will still try to give it timing and fuel for the vtc setting it can’t get to and it seemed to run rich. It’s all up to the owners what they want to do. If the stock oil pump is left in the k24a2 I’d shift b4 the rev limiter.
The k20z3 has balance shaft oil pump and the civic si starts flashing to shift at 7500rpm but goes up to 8000ish so I guess it’ll go when it’s gonna go 😂
@@i4boosting328 hi can I run a k24 bottem end on a k20a3 head and ECU and use k20a2 injectors and use k20a2 pistons
@Mc norm, Unfortunately not, the k20a2 pistons are 86mm bore where the k24 is 87mm bore. You can use the accord k24 with the non true vtec with the k20a3 ecu since it’s non true vtec as well. As for putting the a3 head on it…. I’d imagine it wouldn’t benefit since they are similar. I’m not 100% sure since I don’t use those but in stock cars I sell. The k20a2,k20z1,k20z3 and k24a2(from tsx) all have true vtec and similar pistons and can interchange the heads. The k20a3,k24a4 etc are non true vtec with different style pistons. Hope that helps
@i4 boosting who makes, or where did you get that water neck adapter for the PRB intake manifold? It just seals off that passage that isn't there on the K20, no?
eBay has them, jack spania racing, k tuned. No matter the brand they all work pretty good so far
Great videos very informative any tips/tricks i have a 09 civic si motor worn out and bad head gasket 240k looking into replacing motor but also needs smog California 😂
Info helped alot thank you so much!
Man this is a great video and informative. But I have question I just got TSX motor I'm putting in RSX base model five speed. Can I use the K20 flywheel bolts and clutch kit on the K24? Also the intermediate shaft from the K20 does it bolt to the TSX block so I can run the stock K20 axles?
Yes but you will need a Hondata or a stand-alone ecu.,or get a type s ecu and run a k tuned immobilizer box
Ok cool I knew about ecu. Probably send my ecu for kpro
I have a K24 swapped Acura RSX and I'm getting a P0661 code for the intake tuning control valve. I have the intake manifold from the K24 which has no control valve as far as I know. How do I get around that code? Also, are all the mounts just from the RSX except the one from the CRV?
I have this rsx in the video and the previous owner didn't get it tuned. picked it up in alabama and now im located in atlanta. since yall worked on it what steps should i take to get this car tuned
He was supposed to get a k pro, the k24a2 has a 25 degree vtc gear and the k20a2 has a 50 degree vtc gear and that motor has a balanced shaft oil pump and doesn’t need to be beat on hard before tuned. You can get a k pro and have it tuned at EBTEC by James E they are located in the Powder springs, Austell area.
Jessie said you wanted to sell the car, I told him to tell you to hit me up on Instagram @i4boosting
Does the stock front mount bolt up on the k24?
Yes
So when installing the adapter plate for the intake manifold how or what do you do about that vacuum tube it had on the k20 that the adapter eliminates?? That's my last issue I'm having. Thanks in Advance!!
We eliminated it
What was the cost of the swap. Just picked up a type S rsx NON running.
Where are you located?
Im close to Memphis, in Mississippi.
quick question what intake manifold did you use? RBC INTAKE MANIFOLD? and if so what gasket did you use?
We used the stock prb k20a2 intake and gasket. Just used silicone for the water adapter on the k24a2 head. I’ve had to cut k24a2 gaskets cause that adapter doesn’t fit well with it.
very helpful video. i am currently doing a k24 swap on a rsx. im having trouble with the thermostat housing i need the hose fitting to face down just how yours shows, but the k24 faces up. ive done research on the swivel housings but im not to sure about it. any suggestions?
If you get a swivel housing they work fine but apply a decent amount of silicone. We just used the thermostat housing off of the type s k20a2. Gotta use whole housing not just the hose connector cuz bolt pattern is different the k20a3 will work as well.
@@i4boosting328 Thanks for responding. Nice! So the whole housing not just the thermostat outlet. The seal ring for the hose that runs to the top, did you have any leaks?
@@markomartinez4715 no it popped right in and held I think a bolt holds pipe in place just make sure if fitted well. I’ve got to change the one on the mr2 it’s still facing up. I bout a swivel for it
@@i4boosting328 I will deff try that, what kind silicone would you recommend to apply o n the seal ring.
@@markomartinez4715 we didn’t use it on the seal ring on the tube, you can but we used it on the thermostat housing and water neck
What is the RPMs at 70mph with the stock 6 speed tranny now? I am planning on doing the same engine swap.
We don’t have the 6 speed rsx anymore, I have a type s with k24 and 5 speed. But I believe the rpms were the same. You’re just gaining torque from the motor and transmission stays the same.
thanks
How's the iat? I found the intake manifold heat soaks from the hot air from the radiator fan.
I’m not sure he sold the car, my k swaps are turbo and the iat’s are in the manifold
@@i4boosting328 what are the temps like?
Do you have a part number or name for the part that needs to come from the CRV K24? Sorry if its a dumb question.
11910-ppa-000 k24 crv ranges from $40-55 or you can get the aluminum one for $65-85
Bought an Rsx with a k24a and it has KTuned ac&ps delete kit. And I want to put the ac back in and I’m not to worry about the ps since I’ll be getting the KTuned ep3 pulley kit. I ordered the dc5creation ac tuck line kit with condenser with built in dryer. So I’m just worried about my alternator needing the stock pulley cause of the ac/ps delete kit it change the stock alternator pulley. Then my concern is what else do
I need as brackets, bolts, stock tensioner (k20 or k24?) etc… any help is appreciated
I have ran both, I try I try to use all k24 or all k20, water pump housing, etc for alternator. I have had slight variations with alternators as well. Ac does not matter so far and I’ve done them every which way. You can use whichever compressor that you need, like yours is a RSX so you’d use a 1 wire RSX or ep3 compressor. Not the 3 wire in others. Jdm accessories won’t work, must be changed to Tsx or RSX but they probably already did with delete kit. I have use a tsx alt on a rsx water housing and vice versa but it doesn’t fit just right. You got to finagle or use a washer but not the end of world. Just easier to do it right with alternator that matches water pump house and again ac compressor doesn’t matter, use the one you need. Hope that helps, been on vacation sorry for late response
Also ep3 pulley will bolt right up I have k24a2 water housing, ep3 or 2006 si to 2011 pulley (for no power steering) and RSX ac compressor on my mr2, on rsx I put all type s stuff on k24a2
Anyone know if the k20 and k24 use the same auto trans i wanna k24 swap my base rsx but still want it to be automatic
They do but for it to run right, the computer in a base rsx automatic will run a k24 from an accord, element, or crv but not the k24a2 from tsx. The tsx k24a2 has true vtec on both cams like a k20a2,z1,z3. The rsx base k20a3 has the same single vtec cam like the accord element and crv. So is you have a base rsx automatic you can use the 03-07 accord k24, element or crv and the computer will run it pretty good. But it will not run the tsx k24a2 or any true vtec engine properly without the risk of damage. Hope that helps
@@i4boosting328 thank you very much but I have another question for true VTEC would I have to use a different ECU? And would any stand alone work?
@@pedroc9852 I know you can install Hondata on the automatic ecu’s now but I think it is just for manuals. I’m not 100% sure I personally have never done one but you can call Hondata tomorrow and ask. I’m sure a full stand alone can be done with enough inputs but it would cost so much.
As it sits will it pass smog no engine codes ??
As long as you have all sensors working and catalytic converter it should
Question, I’m swapping my k24a2 into my rsx and I’m using my type s oil pump&pan from my k20z1 do I need to take its timing kit from it or can I use the k24a2 with no issues?
Use the k24a2 timing chain components and on the oil pump use the k20z1 oil pump chain components. Pump, chain, windage, tray. I have used both k24 and k20 oil chain guides and tensioners. The oil chain tensioner seem to be same with slight differences from different manufacturers. The k24 oil chain guide and others with balance shaft oil pumps is a little longer. But I’ve been running it like that on my mr2 for 2 years and 2 other RSX. The z1 oil chain guide leaves a little chain slack and then k24 one has 0 slack and can look a little tight😂 DONT FORGET TO PLUG OILING HOLE WITH A BOLT. I have another video on how to modify oil pump and put it on.
If you haven’t bought all new timing stuff at least buy a new timing chain tensioner. I have another video on auto to manual k24 prep for pilot input shaft bushing and since your in that deep you can put your 50 degree vtc on
Was there any check engine light on after with the stock ecu?
Not that I remember, I’ve done several and I have a 06 type s now that I did and it only has one for the o2 sensor that was bad before
@@i4boosting328 I just happened to see your video looking up k24 Rsx’s. I have an original 02 type-s all stock not even lowered. But I just blew my engine bro. I was recommended to Honda Pro in San Bernardino a guy named Luis. I saw your video of getting a k24swap there. I wanted to find a replacement engine. He told he has a K20z1 available from an 05 type s. But he recommended a k24 for the same price. I’m just debating on what to go with. What do you think about it bro?
@@i4boosting328 And if I go with the k24 would I be able to drive it without the kpro? Just with the stock ecu for the time being.
So what wire is the right way u pin out tho
Where did you buy that water neck adapter plate
I bought that one off eBay or Amazon. If you want a name brand one you can order from k-tuned or probably hybrid racing
@@i4boosting328 hey I also got another question I just put my rsx 6 speed tranny on my k24 do I need to find a flywheel cover for it
I have an '03 RSX Base Model Automatic that I am wanting to drop a K24A2 from a TSX into. Where in Georgia can I find you ? Do you have a shop ? Is there a way to contact you by email or phone ?
You can’t put that motor in that car without spending a substantial amount of money. The stock ecu is no where near compatible like the type s rsx ecu. Type s, and tsx are true vtec engines. The one in your car is a single side vtec only on 1 cam. You would have to buy an aftermarket ecu that can run an automatic. A full stand alone or possibly Hondata since they started using the automatic ecu’s but idk what it will actually do once it’s done. You will have to call hondata and see if that’s possible I haven’t checked into it. Just like with the older ecu’s we use them but they no longer control the automatic trans. I’m not sure about the newer ones I’ve never tried or asked since we do not use automatics. You can drop in a k24 from a accord,crv, or element and those are single sided vtec and can work with you stock ecu. They are the same horsepower but have more torque. Hope that helps!
@@i4boosting328 Thank you so much for your reply.
1) - Do you have a recommendation as to which of these 3 vehicles is best for getting a K24A2 for the engine swap ( ie - the Accord, CRV, or Element ) for an '03 Base RSX Automatic?
And does the year and type of transmission matter ?
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2) - Aside from just dropping the engine in, are there any other peripheral parts or services that will need to be performed ?
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3) - It sounds like you are telling me that the K24A2 from the Accord, CRV, or Element have " more torque" on the lower-end of MPH.
Which , if true, would be great for me being that I drive mostly on city / local streets.
Does this mean I will get more " punch " at take-off ?
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3b) - Most vehicles on RUclips mention using a K24A2 from a TSX. But I think that that is because the videos are focusing on this Type-S ( not the Base ) ?
Is my assumption correct ?
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4) - Is there anything else that I need to be aware of ?
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5) - What kind of engine and labor costs should I expect to pay for this project in Georgia ?
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6) - Is it possible to just get a K24A2 out of an Auto Trans TSX to work with the ECU of an Auto Trans RSX ? In other words, what if BOTH vehicles have Auto Trans ?
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Ultimately, I am looking to get more "punch" at take-off during my daily drive in the city.
Thanks in advance.
The k24a2 only comes in the tsx, you can drop it in a base model 5 speed with a hondata ecu, it’s the automatic that’s the problem. I put them in a lot other vehicles. I have one in my civic and my Toyota MR2. Probably bout to put one in my s2000. The closest drop in for a replacement would be a k24a1 and a k24a4 from accord crv or element. You would change the same stuff I did in this video. I’d only do the swap if your engine is broken, those are great daily driver cars but if you want to make more tunable power get a 2002-2004 manual 5 or 6 speed rsx. You can have a hondata which cost ($700-$1000) put on the ecu and add turbo or super charger or whatever you budget allows. A k24a2 ranges from $800-1500 depending on miles and shipping then $700-1200 labor. A k24a1 or a4 is usually $400-900. You can also pick one up in a pull a part for $300
@@i4boosting328
It seems the main hurdle that is holding me back is that I have an automatic.
Here is my email : mikesrsx@pigomultimedia.com
I am not wanting to sell my car, to buy a manual since I have already done too many exterior and interior mods to it.
As far as I know, this leaves me with two options . . . .
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OPTION 1 : To do an automatic to manual conversion. And then to drop in a K24A2 from a TSX.
What is a list of other compatible things that I am going to have to do or purchase if I go this route ( dash harness, mounts, etc ) ?
What would be a ballpark estimate of the cost for the parts and labor ?
What are the positives or negatives if I go this route ?
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OPTION 2 : To keep the automatic trans + drop in a K24A1, K24A3 or K24A4 + a turbo or super charger.
Would this combination work for my auto trans ?
Would I have to get a tune, or could I skip it ?
Would you recommend ( K-Tuner or K-Pro )
Can my stock Automatic Transmission handle a turbo or a super charger ?
Can a K24A1, K24A3 or K24A4 handle a turbo or a super charger ?
If yes, would the turbo be friendly to the engine or would the super charger be more friendly ?
Which specific engine would you recommend for reliability ( This is my daily driver ) ?
What is a list of other compatible things that I am going to have to do or purchase if I go this route ( dash harness, mounts, intercooler, future maintenance, etc ) ?
What would be a ballpark estimate of the cost for the parts and labor in Georgia ?
What are the positives or negatives if I go this route ?
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OPTION 3
Is there an “ Option 3 “ that will get me more torque on Low-End MPH and noticeable WHP ?
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If I could get at least 250 - 280 WHP ( with a super charger or a turbo ), I would be happy.
Please keep in mind that I am not trying to race other cars. I am just wanting to get noticeable torque at the Low-End MPH for that extra “ punch “ at take-off, and for the car to be a bit more zippy and fun.
I have had this car for 16 years. Looks new, sounds good, but is slow.
Please reply here on RUclips if you decide to email me. This way I can look for your email.
mikesrsx@pigomultimedia.com
Thanks in advance.
@@anthonyturner9000 auto to manual swap and be done with it. Lol
I’m in a pinch cause I just blew up my k20a2 (lol) would this setup be able to run reliably for a couple months ? with the rsx base map, are the afr’s “safe” and what’s the redline for this new setup ? Thanks !
If you put the type s oil pump redline will be the same. The 25 degree vtc and oil pump is the difference. The combustion chambers are so close as well as the cams. Unless you get a 06-08 tsx motor and the cams are better. The main this is the redline and vtc. The timing and fuel will be off in the mid range area and will need a k pro ASAP or some other engine management. Several people I know have putted around for months and months with it. The only ones I know that have had problems are the one that end up thinking ehh it’s fine then start dogging on it! I have to advise against it of course but I have ran them on personal vehicles and have swapped k20a2 vtc cam gear and cams into k24 so ecu can have the 50 degree vtc BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT VTC NOT BEING PINNED AND GOING TO FAR! It’s a possibility not saying it will happen. I’ve never experienced it but didn’t race that motor. Whatever you decide it’s at your own risk ⚠️ but I’ve done both with no problems under regular driving
@@i4boosting328 awesome ! pretty much answered all my questions haha. great vid and thanks for replying 😩
I hace my rsx 02-04 with a swap k24A it's work with the stock ECU PRB. In the regular drive. I don't have problem. But i put a Wideband Aem. The AFR in down RPM it's no Good but. You can Drive Whit any problems. I feel just need tune. I have (k24A), RBC, stock TB rsx,full Muffler skund2 mega power, full riel Ktuned, oil pump type S, Vtc 50°, inyecctors typs S. Stock ECU PRB 02-04.
@@jeancarlosortiz3995 did your car throw a p0171 lean code? Mine is currently throwing that code after my k24a swap and stock 06 type s ecu
I just toasted my short block after two weeks and should’ve just waited for a tune smh. Got a k24a2 for sale? lol
I ran stock ECU for 3 years. Were you hammering on your car with a stock ECU and it finally gave up?
What wire harness and ecu did you use
Stock type s from the rsx, it would have been better to put a type s oil pump and 50 degree vtc on the k24 since he didn’t have the kpro to tune it yet but he didn’t have the funds
@@i4boosting328 type s as n a 02-04 wire harness I'm trying 2 k24 swap my dc5
Where yall located?
What header? Stock type s?
Yes
Stock k20 header will fit?
Yes his was stock header but he had an aftermarket exhaust connected to it
In order to swap the k24a2 into my 06 type-s do I really need to swap the type-s alternator and water pump or can I use the k24 stuff ?
We did water pump to add the oil cooler to the back but you don’t have to. Alternator wire and plug are in different location so it was better for the prb intake but does not have to be used:
@@i4boosting328 ok great and am I able to run all my k20z1 harnesses and charge harness, injector harness and all the harness stuff on my k24a2 motor with all k24 Accessories and ktuned swivel neck?
@@ectox472 yeah, just swap the k20z1 crank sensor to the k24a2 and you have to take off the plastic on harness so you can stretch unravel and reroute the water temp plug like I show in video
Is it worth to k24a2 swap a 06 base rsx auto?
Simple answer, no. . It’d cost a good amount of money to do. But… you can drop in a k24a4 from accord, crv, or element. They have the same style cam profile ( 1 single lobe cam, 1 vtec cam) and would be more compatible with stock ecu. You would gain torque but no horsepower power. That’s a decent( better than stock) replacement engine if needed to be replaced. The k24a2 is very similar to the prb ecu and type s motors k20a2,z1 and the k24a4 is similar to the pnd ecu like yours k20a3 and a6. The main difference is the k24’s have a 25 degree vtc gear instead of 50 degree like the k20’s
@@i4boosting328 So is there anyway to get anything out of a k20a3 since everyone says it has no vtec🥲 and since you said I can’t put the k24a2 in it
@@i4boosting328 Or could you take the k24a2 out of a automatic tsx?
What did you guys do for the vss sensor i did a rsx typ s 6speed swap and apparently my vss sensor wont work
Yeah I bought an 02 RSX with a k24 swap stock RSX type S transmission and my speedometer don't work and the speed sensor plug is not plugging in to the transmission it doesn't snap in and fit... I'm kind of stuck too
All vss 02-04 rsx and 02-05 ep3 uses same style sensor on back of transmission above differential).
05-06 rsx and 06-11 si civic use a different one (on front of transmission)
If your not using same style/year transmission you will need a converter from k tuned or rewire how vtec academy shows.
If you are using same year/style then you have a bad sensor, ground, or signal.
@@i4boosting328 I searched and searched on VTech academy is there any way that you could find a video and Link it I would greatly greatly greatly appreciate it. I bought this car for my son and didn't notice the speedometer didn't work and I don't like him driving it without it
I’ll try to figure out how to link it but I went to the RUclips search and put in css to vss and it popped up 1st video. The name of there video is “css or vss it’ll work”
What about the k20a3? The base rsx is it the same? I just gotta swap all the stuff over into the k24?