Was Matty Healy Right To Protest On Stage?!
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2023
- Matty Healy has been banned from Malaysia after kissing his bandmate Ross on stage and criticising the governments anti-LGBTQ laws. At first people praised him for standing up for this group, however there are now a huge array of mix reactions, some people saying he has done more damage than good. Is there a place for activism in music or should musicians just keep their mouths shut? What's the right thing to do? Let's discuss this in the comments, but please, be kind and understanding of one another.
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True art is activism the rest is just a condensed form of corrupted currency, the strokes were a massive inspiration for the latest album dropped by awannabe , Chex it out 😎 love you guys, as soon as I work out what ppl use for currency in this timeline and were they hide the music shops I'll restock my strokes collection and see if I can spot any differences
He probably wouldn't have done it at the start of his career, now maybe he's got enough money, he thinks he can do whatever he wants but, unfortunately for them, there are consequences.
I don't have an axe to grind, I've always thought they were shite.
It's funny, I was just having a conversation with another today on almost this exact topic. I just don't understand why some people can't just be decent human beings and accept one another for who they are. While this wasn't they right way to go about things, due to the fact that he was unaware of how it would trickle down onto the people of Malaysia, and drunk or not, ranting and putting down the government of another country whilst in said country, probably wasn't the wisest way to go about things. Just came across your channel the other day, you seem like you would be awesome to sit and have philosophical discussions with! Lol.
@@gingerology better than anything you've done
He's a condescending twit. There will never be any societal acceptance for these sexual perversions the way there is in the so-called West. At most, you can quietly live your preferences on the fringes and most would leave you to it. Never expect Malaysians to elevate sexual perversion the way you have in Britain. With the absence of any sense of what is sacred, in the West, the only thing that seems to be sacred, to this drunken fool, is s0domy. Good luck with promoting that. We see how your societies are slowly disintegrating before our very eyes. Remember pride goeth before a fall.
I think you hit it near the end of the video, Justin -- consult activists in the region you're performing to know exactly what, if anything, you can or should do.
They won’t all agree on one thing..
@@ThatGuyThanustrue, but they will be able to give the local 'temperature' of these subjects more accurately than an outsider. Which could be more useful for supporting the cause intelligently. I think Matty meant well. But it backfired.
Imagine a muslim band make a concert musical in Australia and started expressing their thoughts about gay stuff ... It might take less than a minute to shut them down and got banned from entering Australia, UK.. or any westrn country
What Matty Healy did was dumb.
1. He was drunk - going to a Muslim country and drinking discreetly is one thing, but getting drunk on stage? What a dumbass.
2. Malaysia has become more democratic and activist in the last 20 years. It's made big progress in being able to vote out governments. They managed to keep Anwar Ibrahim, the reformist prime minister - out of office for 25 years but now he just got in, and he's got to win the next election in order to stay in office. And a lot of liberals in Malaysia are very nervous that this could affect their chances. So Anwar Ibrahim is trying to reform the system in Malaysia, and before that he was jailed for years for allegedly committing sodomy. Do you think he's going to go easy on Matty Healy?
3. Cultural context is everything. LGBT rights have made some progress, but it is not the main thing. The main thing is that Malaysia is a good example of a multi cultural society, and the LGBT strategy is to integrate into this society. Malaysia does not have a Margaret Thatcher saying "there's no such thing as society". Malaysia knows what society is, and LGBT people knows that the big plan is to integrate into a pre-existing framework. LGBT rights can make progress with the slowly slowly approach, but Matty Healy has thrown a hand grenade into the picture.
4. Homophobia in Malaysia goes back to colonial days. The anti-gay law was written by the BRITISH, so it's just ridiculous for a British band to come in and lecture Malaysia about homophobia. It's true that Islam has a lot to do with why the anti-gay law was never abolished. But if the British can go to Malaysia and say "why are you so anti-gay", the obvious response is "why are you British people so racist and Islamophobic?"
5. We already know that Matty Healy is Asianophobic. And that's part of why he did that rant.
6. The LGBT community of Malaysia is the party who has the most important voice in this. So what are they saying?
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I'm Thai who flew to KL, attended the festival there 'cause of the eclectic line-up and expecting nicely and lovely crowd there. (Which was great, the energy during the set from NxWorries, Daniel Caesar and Sabrina Carpenter are uplifting)
I watched The 1975 in my country before and I could tell from the beginning of the set in KL that he was furious. Different from the band i used to watch until the speech and the stunt that let me down so bad.
From my perspective, things that Matt Healy said that night was rude and disrespect to the people of Malaysia. "I'll take your money, you can ban me" broke me. This is all ur main perspective, ignore the fans that do living with their rules irl and it cause more damage for the one who struggle here
When I receive the cancellation of the festival the next day. This is the moment that shuts me down completely.
For sure I disappoint that I wouldn't see the acts from the others that I expect such as The Strokes and Porter Robinson. I'm furious with the action against the organizer (which wasn't their fault at all). And as a tourist, this is such a let down the people here that so nicely to me during my trip there.
Hope everything will be sorted out in a way that cure the future of Malaysian live music scene.
Hes setting an example. All people in Malaysia should act like him. The only way to stand up against a government that ignores human rights like sexuality is to riot against it.
@metalpuppet5798 And if you set an example, you must stick by it. The difference here is that he gets to act what he feels and then leave at 3 am. The people of Malaysia couldn't. That is his privilege. Then what is the point of rioting against a government when you have nothing to lose in that country in the first place?
@@sheenabaharudin you have EVERYTHING to lose. They are already restricting everyones free choice of sexuality. Whats will be the next illegal lie they are spreading? Maybe they will prosecute black people, people with different religious believes other than muslim?! They probably are already doing all that and no one knows.
@@metalpuppet5798 Lol what a entitled brat. I bet you've never been to a protest yourself.
@@metalpuppet5798buzzer off he doesnt get a say in a countries internal affairs he shouldn't be in malaysia if he's gonna disrespect their rules.
I'm a Malaysian who went to both his shows in Singapore and was also there during his rant. and i could tell you that, from my perspective, he wanted to cause a problem and didn't want to perform from the start of the set. He just looked like a spoiled brat who was too cranky to perform to be honest. Comparing between the two shows, Singapore was such a great show and I became a fan. However in Malaysia he played only slow songs, even upbeat music were arranged to be a mellow song. I was a fan for almost 4 days hahaha.
If he was angry with the country, there are many ways that he could've delivered the message. Right now, everything related to the LGBT community has been amplified and is causing trouble for most of them. And there's nothing that they can do. Its only going to get worst from them.
He's been here before, performing at the same festival, so he knows how to deliver and respect the audience. Maybe it came from a good place, but how he presented it was disrespectful with no class at all. Organizers, sponsors, vendors, everyone was affected. People had already spent money on hotels, flight tickets. Some even came from neighbouring countries. If he had decided to cancel the set at the last minute, it wouldn't have caused this much trouble for everyone.
They could've just not come if they don't agree. Arctic Monkeys, Beyonce, Rihanna, they all skipped Malaysia on their tours. We're used to that and it wouldn't have affected anyone here.
He went and poke a tiger and ran leaving all the people standing there to be bitten by it and goes on saying he was so brave 😂 that's what he did in this Malaysia incident .
As an artist it is his job to poke tigers and put question marks in ppl's minds. Those laws are dumb af,made by narrow mind little men.
@@douglasbarreto8645 his job is to entertain because people spent money to watch him perform. He could advocate some other time. I agree the laws are dumb af, everyone agrees. Its just some White saviour bullshit honestly
@@douglasbarreto8645 More like the artist unleashed a hungry tiger onto people while he gets to leave and feel superior. He faces no real consequences and leaves people more vulnerable in the wake of his actions. Local lgbtq people don’t get to just hop on a flight and leave the country like he did. He didn’t try to connect with local activists who are more aware of the kind of actions that could have helped in meaningful ways: that’s the critique. Actual activist-oriented artists do the work to understand the best ways to utilize their position, resources, and power. They don’t just stir shit up for the sake of stirring shit up.
lol he made things worse for the local gays...well done@@douglasbarreto8645
Thanks for covering this, Justin! You explored the different sides in a really insightful and respectful way.
I'm from Indonesia, it's very similar to Malaysia and basically has the same values.
What he did not only makes it worse for LGBT people in Malaysia, but reinforces the idea that LGBT people are unruly predators trying to brainwash the youth. He had NO RIGHT whatsoever to do that, not because that activism isn't needed but he is a person who gets to fly off and not face any consequences while on the ground, LGBT people here AND in Malaysia face so much homophobia and this will only increase that homophobia considering the influence he has. This is not America, this is NOT a western country, this is Asia, a super religious place where one wrong thing may or may not ruin your life. It just makes it worse for us and I am absolutely furious. I agree with the message, I think any decent person does but it doesn't mean that doing what in our countries could be deadly for most of us in real life just living life. People outside of Asia may think this set us forward but you have NO IDEA how far it has set us back. Obviously this is an issue very close to my heart and I am very open to listening to different views but over here, there isn't a right to free speech and you have to be increasingly careful about what you say and do, this was callous and cruel to Malaysians and anyone living in Malaysia who happens to be LGBT. Stop treating everywhere like it's America, it's not and American politics have done more harm than good for us in recent years.
Very grateful that you spoke about this, I just wanted to add in my two cents.
Blah blah blah. If 'this is not western country' then why you invite them in the first place??? Because you hypocrites. You wanna use western culture and still stay the same. That's never gonna happen. It doesn't work this way. USA and UK were super religious too. But they changed. Learn some history. You can start right from Stonewall.
well said!
Well said 👍
Very well said
Malaysian here.. thanks for your opinion. Stupid Matt really did more harm than good in our country. He's just a clout chaser...
Malaysian here. Bought Sunday's ticket to go see The Strokes for the first time in Malaysia. Didn't happen. Not a fan of 1975, but I'm a RATM fan and love a little rebellion in music and consider myself a friend to the Malaysian LGBTQ community. Some background: It's state election year, the government currently in power is actually the more progressive wing, but they lost a lot of ground to conservative wing in last federal election, so cancelling the festival is an understandable decision. 1975 probably bankrupted the organizer, and definitely destroyed Malaysians long awaited chance to see other acts live. If 1975 is serious about raising awareness or elevating the community, we would've welcome it. Do it the last day, do it at standalone concert, do it in a more subtle way, etc. But no, he just pissed all over the village well because he didn't like how the water tasted, and left the next day.
So sorry for you :( honestly, what he did has for me a string white seviour vibe, "look, look at me, standing for your rights!"...
He left the very night at 3am. He's lucky the govt didn't press charges or detain him and his bandmates. That's textbook white man privilege.
maybe the government/authorities that threw a tantrum over it needs to be focused on more than what matt healy did or didnt do. (i'm not a matt healy fan, i think 1975 is fairly shit and matt seems like a self-important tool). lets work on getting the dusty old conservatives into the modern age and not waste time on micro-managing an individual's behaviour. this is like how victims operate around their abusers "don't get him mad", "see i told you not to make noise, now they are going to..."
@@852aaron Ok then, now whats your plan for getting the "dusky old conservatives" in Malaysia on side then !!! Give me a break. If only it was that simple. How naive can you be !! Healy show absolutely Zero cultural sensitivity and acted like a drunken entitled British tourist !! He's lucky he wasn't detained. You've got to pick your battles, and that was one he was going to lose !!
@brin57 I try to keep my political language relatively tame online as the country I live in is quite punitive when it comes to such talk but I think I can say that my personal solutions are less about getting them onside and playing happy families and more along the lines of a more progressive generation trying to supplant and phase out that antiquated generation as quickly as possible using whatever means that are required
I'm a Brit living in Malaysia for the last 20+ years. The people in Malaysia are fantastic and there is such cultural diversity. However you do need to respect other people's cultures even if you do not entirely agree with everything. I would highlight the following:
1) The band obviously knew about the counties sensitivities before they agreed to come and play in Malaysia. If they did not like the laws, why did they come here in the first place?
2) Malaysia has recently been more open and liberal in regards to bringing in more "alternative" bands from around the world. By acting like they did, 1975 has set back the likelyhood of more gigs/music/comedy festivals by 20 years.
3) Alot of young Malaysians saved up their hard earned cash to be entertained and a once in a lifetime chance to see some of their hero's. Only to have that taken away by a bunch of selfish individuals.
It's sad to say but I feel embarrassed to be a Brit living in Malaysia now. If you want to perform in someone else's country, you need to be respectful of the cultural differences. Not everyone around the world has the same opinions. Sorry 1975, but you are totally naive and have no class. The worst thing of all is the Strokes did not get to play, which, are a far better band than 1975.
This guys arrogance does not represent anyone apart from himself. What an 💩
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You need help. You lived in the shitty country for 20 years and it did affect your brain. You called 20 years in prison for being gay 'cultural difference'. You called THIS 'culture'. What's next, rasism or antisemitism?
Homophobia is now an "opinion"....
@@ialeixo84just because most people make homophobia seem damning doesn’t mean it is. And it’s not like people hate the people of the LGBT Community. They just don’t support their views or lifestyle but of course anyone that doesn’t support the LGBT community is a homophobe.
Yes u totally right
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this is like getting invited to a friend's house, then start talking shit about their parents, then kissing each other lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣
If your friends parents are racist you are not only allowed to call them out but you should do it. This is the same. The laws in Malaysia go against the human right of choosing your own sexuality
@@metalpuppet5798 Human right ? Come on metalpuppet that's a Western invention, there is no such thing as human right in a real world. You did not realize that yet?
@@slatebook2384 Malaysia has literally signed human rights treaties. Stop being ignorant and intolerant
@@slatebook2384 As if you're the one who can lecture people about what human rights are and what people realized and what not. lmao
@@georg9705 I'm not actually trying to lecture anyone, just reminding or highlighting a simple fact. I don't know why you felt the need to comment that. The way you do it seems to indicate that you have a problem with authority and a huge lack of basic knowledge regarding your own culture. You are probably very young, well I hope you are. It would be embarrassing to have such reaction as an adult. Cheers.
I'm sad, personally, it just felt like he didn't really care about the fans of The 1975 in Malaysia. "I'll take your money, you can ban me" When i heard him say that i was kinda hurt, because i've waited years for them to come back just so i could watch them perform in my home country. I totally understand the message that he was trying to convey but at the same time, the gig should mainly be about performing for their fans who live in the country. Just a personal opinion but, i felt that there was nothing wrong with him kissing Ross on stage as its something that they've done in their shows before. However, if he had wanted to drop a message at the same time, he should've done it at the end of the show .At the very least, both parties (the fans of The 1975 and also the LGBTQ community) would have gladly accepted it.
exactly how i feel about it
Yep. I'm not sure about Matty. Sometimes he seems incredibly self absorbed. P
He seems a bit brash. I think he just reacted emotionally, recklessly in no small part due to being drunk. If he was upset and really wanted to take a stand, he should have stayed within the bounds of what he could have discussed with the community and planned ahead.
If he had time to contact people, he could have asked the most effective thing to do. Or if he'd only heard about the laws at the last minute with no time to reach out, he could have maybe simply expressed solidarity in a tactful way.
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Justin, your a gun, love your discussions and how you treat sensitive topics with an open mind…. Got onto these RUclips clips in 2021 and man they’re always so good. Keep it up
I don’t need to comment on this myself. You nailed it Justin!
Brilliant as ever
I think it's important for people to talk about things. Lots of people didn't know the situation in Malaysia and now they do. It needs to be done in a good way though, not in a drunken state. Why not spend time after the show while you're there meeting with those affected, make a donation from the money earned etc
What situation you want more in Malaysia? Have you been to Malaysia?
The only people that really need to know are Malaysians and we already know. What good does your aWaReNeSs do us? You think our gov gonna listen to you? No. They'll dig their heels in deeper. Local conservatives have long equated liberal values with colonialism and what the 1975 did has strengthened their narrative. You're giving them ammo and making things worse for lgbtq Malaysians
Malaysia heavily banned any lgbtq acts a long time ago.....If they perform any songs they want, they would be fine. Malaysians just want good performance from them thats all
Most Malaysian don’t care your sexual preferences. The temperature here about LGBTQIA+ has been more lowered compared to last 10 years. People in Malaysia has been more tolerant and just minding their own business. Usually this community is subjected as political tools for the conservative. Now they have a progressive government, Matt shouldn’t provoke it and insulting the government like that. Try that on UK government. Let me see how it goes. The best way for you to understand it is by stop judging and understand the reality. Don’t live in your own European bubble.
@Dan_11111 They most certainly do.
Sir Elton John: a LGBTQ advocate and icon performed in Malaysia not once but twice in 2011/12 and nothing bad happen.
Matty Healy: not even gay but still need to act like he is gay, perform their first show in Malaysia, and later got the whole festival blacklisted.
So brave.
... and so stupid.
That was the Malaysian government's choice to cancel the rest of the festival, not his
Great chat thanks !!! Love this review ❤
I lived in Singapore for several years and have visited Malaysia often. Both countries had similarly repressive laws and attitudes towards LGBTQ practices and people back then -- Singapore has loosened up a bit since. I knew and know quite a few LGBTQ people there -- though not, I admit, in Malaysia -- and know something of the situation in both countries.
Based on this knowledge, I think Matty Healy blew a unique, golden chance to speak up for Malaysian LGBTQ folk and draw the world's attention to their plight. His rant wasn't about them at all -- it was about how _he_ didn't like being told what to do by the authorities. It may not have been 'performative', but it was certainly all about Matty. Never mind Beyoncé, Mariah herself couldn't have been any more diva!
If he'd ditched the anger and rudeness (this is Malaysia, man, the home of _amok_ -- your puny rage doesn't impress them) and put a bit more thought into his words and actions, he could have delivered, from that stage, a resonant, compelling message that expressed his solidarity with Malaysian LGBTQ people, eloquently pled their cause and politely embarrassed the repressive authorities for all the world to see. He could even have kissed his bass player then -- made that a part of it, maybe with a bit of humour to drive the point home. It's all about context.
Then, if the 1975's set was stopped afterwards -- and even if the rest of the festival was canned, as it was -- it would have been worth something. As it was, the cancellation was just a kick in the teeth for Malaysian fans who had paid to come and hear some music.
That childish tantrum was exactly what conservative Malaysians consider typically clueless _orang putih_ behaviour. He acted like a package-tourist, a Karen on vacation. His antics made things worse for everyone, in particular for Malaysian campaigners for LGBTQ rights.
He has also (wait and see) killed his own career and his band's. The moneybags who control the entertainment industry will make sure of that, mark my words. He'll be poison in the trade ftom now on.
Thank you, Justin, for providing a forum for discussing this properly. At least some rock stars have functioning heads on their shoulders.
Yeap, this is true, Lorde performed and preached LGBT in 2016 in Malaysia. She did it tastefully and politely before playing Green Light. People don't really mind if you talk about it. Matt was just a nob.
👏👏👏Great post, well said.
You've got a very important point here: After having watched that rant in context, I would also doubt, how much actually was about the topic - versus how much it was about him. I doubt, however, that this will harm his or the 1975's career much...
Agreed. So many more intelligent ways that he could have expressed solidarity. All I saw was a posturing ego with a bottle in one one hand and a mic in the other.
He is tantrum white boys. This band got rejected by the gov initially. The band’s management & the organiser begging the gov to let them in. They all gave assurance & signed agreement to abide the rules. This child show his rebellious antics. It’s nt abt lgbtq at all. It is abt his childish behaviour cannt being told what he can & cant do without thinking abt his fans. It is all about HIM
Music has been a place for politics and activism for ages. Music and politics are often inseparable, unless you've made a song about purely fictional scenarios, and even then it's very common to unconsciously inject your own political beliefs in said fiction. You could write a song about a kingdom fighting dragons and demons, and accidentally end up putting pro-monarchist ideals in there.
I think ultimately if you're expecting any artist to just be apolitical and just play the music, that's destined for failure. Art is inherently going to have someone's beliefs injected in anyway. Music and activism have been tied together for ages. I think the way he went about it was probably more harmful than intended, but I think expecting him to just be apolitical is pointless. Every musician is going to have their beliefs and it will make its way into their art, and when someone tries to silence them, they will inevitably lash out. It would have been good to look into how to do something helpful for the community, but I think just expecting him to shut up and play music isn't ever gonna work for any artists.
I think saying he shouldn't have said anything for fear of the government retaliating is also a fallacy because oppressive governments aren't looking for excuses. They don't wait for white people to come in and give them an excuse to oppress people, they don't NEED an excuse. Again, I think the way he went about it wasn't ideal, but I don't think it means he should just never speak up, or that other artists shouldn't. I think being more educated and learning how to DO this sort of thing in a way that's helpful to the cause is the ideal way to go about it, but he shouldn't "just shut up and play music"
Your'e ALL WET. Out of context misinformed tunnel visioned and dim.
Yup, most South East Asian countries take their nationality proudly that no foreigners should feel entitled enough to lash about their country at all, in some countries there it will mean a ban or jail or simply being beaten by the locals. The scar of colonization still runs deep in those countries especially since it's not that long ago.
The current PM in Malaysia spent years in jail for charges related to homosexuality, the fact is they are far more progressive but there is a balance of power held by conservative islamists so it important that things are maintained in a way that there isn’t a drastic shift toward a more conservative position. This guy was just an idiot acting in a selfish and frankly unintelligent manner.
@@peterbluesman " the fact is they are far more progressive"
Nahhh, they're not progressive, they're just like a lite conservative party. Didn't you just not hear what the PM said about his stand on recognizing LGBTQ rights back in January this year?
@@hammerfall6666 well I don’t live there any more but I know Anwar is far more progressive but any progressiveness needs to be approached very slowly. They are all Muslims after all. It’s centuries if not forever to change that mindset.
Thanks for covering this and creating a space for discussion! I am a Malaysian who attended Good Vibes Festival the first day. To be honest, it is quite tiring as I found myself in an echo chamber of Malaysians who turned their noses on the 1975 who they absolutely adored before this whole fiasco.
Maybe no one will read this, but - I don’t think the concert and whole festival should’ve been cancelled because of 2 men kissing. If anything, it is refreshing to see somebody stand up to our oppressive laws whereas most locals are used to sitting down and being good submissive people.
I wish Matty had been wiser in his conduct, and not agree to sign the contract if he did not intend to follow the laws as well. But as most 75 fans know, he is an outspoken person who doesn’t compromise on his beliefs even if it stirs the pot. Asking him to keep quiet and just play his music is so hypocritical to me - be yourself but not like that?
But ultimately, my heart goes out to the organisers and vendors and bands of the event. Because futuresound (the organiser) had to vouch and even volunteer to bear responsibility if the band acted out. They’re caught between a rock and a hard place. Most attendees don’t care about freedom of speech or a message, they just want their money refunded back.
Well.. that’s just my 2 cents! I hope my country can continue to develop and progress well.
Sex thingy is for inside a room, we dont wnna know what you did in it..
He is a scam artist! Taking our money..got drunk..most probably doing hard drug too ..having white man saviour mentality then runaway wth money no need to perform
I was there, mainly to see the 1975. This issue I had was not about the politics, but the way he did it. Matt Healey was happy to take the money from KL, but not once did he give any money towards lgbt causes in Malaysia. They played half an hour cleared off out of the country as quick as possible. They were happy to play dubai, Singapore with no problems. I got the feeling they didn't want to be there so manufactured a quick and easy way out. He came across as an entitled over privileged spoilt Bell end.
He thinks he’s the next Kurt Cobain, ‘voice of this generation’ but in reality he’s just a twat
U nailed it mate, he did come across like that, paid to play music in a country he had nothing to do with, then starts berating the country for not holding fake liberal western values... stfu and play ur song
Didn't he kiss the guy in Dubai?
I don't know much of the band or the man, but my impression is that he does really care but was blinded by passion and liquor. And as for your impression, that all seems obviously true from a mile off...
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Westerns have to learn the world outside of the West is not your playground. When u enter someone else's home you respect their rules. SIMPLE!
Activism does have a place in the music industry, but this was very clumsy activism that will probably cause more harm than good. LGBT activists in Malaysia think it was a mistake.
Agreed but literally look at what DeSantis & Abbott are doing in FL & TX- if they could ban any musician/ band who publicly didn't agree with their views LFBTQ or otherwise & either of those dudes thought for one second they could get away with it- they absolutely would ban entertainment even through they're premium entertainment audiences. M may have been smashed on stage but if everyone loses their right to free speech- we are all in trouble. For their management/agencies to sign contracts they know are in absolute conflict with their beliefs & not tell the 1975 those details - that's on their management/ business folks back. As a promoter myself, I'd imagine they'll have to answer to promoters top of the food chain & owe them a big one.
It’s a mistake ANYWHERE that doesn’t have freedom of speech laws and/or anti-LGBTQ+ laws. It’s reckless to do it the way Matt did. It not only has repercussions for the people living there, but it also could have gotten him and his bandmates arrested, could start an international situation among governments, obviously will lead to a loss of money and jobs for MANY people who were supposed to work or perform at that festival, will get his own band banned from countries with similar laws because they won’t want to take the risk of having a foreigner stand in their country with criticisms when he’s now done it at a major Malaysian music festival . . . . I can go on and on here.
What he should have done was speak with the band to decide if they still wanted to go on to perform. Maybe it would disappoint some kids that they did not get to see this band live . . . but a) it got the entire festival cancelled, and b) disappointing fans is a much better option than posing potential dangers while on foreign soil and have loads of repercussions. Regardless of whether he would have performed, he still could have aired his feelings once he got home to his country where freedom of speech is a major privilege. He would have still likely been banned from Malaysia, but at least it would have softened the blow somewhat.
We may not all agree, but we are lucky to live in free places. What Matt did was reckless. He may not even get work in free countries too because no promoter wants someone at a show when they might say or do who knows what. If he’s smart, he should go in front of the media and express regrets for his behavior while still making it known that he is supportive of LGBTQ+ rights for everyone worldwide.
The UN has been petitioned to ban one of the partners in this band's record label from doing business in Africa. This is due to human rights abuses (reportedly against children) and environmental destruction... Maybe this guy should direct his activism closer to home if he's that concerned about rights.
As someone who has lived in Malaysia I agree with the lgbtq Malaysian guy. Insulting the Malaysian government was never going to end well and was not going to help Malaysian lgbtq people. Progress is never going to happen this way.
I agree, well said.
Great video Justin
I think you did an amazing job of seeing all sides of this story. Keep up the good work!👍👍
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It was even in the news up here in Scandinavia, a few days ago, I was wondering if you were going to bring it up.
That cap would look great with a propeller on top of it 😂
Extra well handled Justin,... alot of people don't think about the effects of the Malaysian LGBTQ community
Malaysia banned any LGBT acts and community a long time ago...they have they're own religious values against the community
Lol stop
Sure ofc
It hurts the community really bad here. Im a Malaysian
It’s an interesting debate, but the 1975 and Healy should never have gone to Malaysia in the first place.
They had a range of gigs in the area have done the area before. I’m a 1975 fan sometimes I wish Matty would stop speaking out so much but then on the other hand using his platform to create awareness is what artists are pressured to do. It’s like a damned if you do damned if you don’t.
I think in this instance it may have been best as you say for him to have check his tour dates and locations more thoroughly.
His mum’s on Loose Women, can’t expect much from him.
Right I guess most don’t know that tbh
Agree. By going and sounding off, they messed things up for the other acts and the LBGT+ community they were trying to help. Maybe follow his own observation and let the music do the talking.
Yes. And people shouldn't be stupid religious violent homophobic in the first place too.
Boycott or work with activists. Have your songs speak for you. Don’t be a hooligan. Nothing wrong with activism - long-standing tradition of it in music. Just don’t be a jerk about it. Especially if your “help” hurts the people you’re trying to help.
Well said.
Agreed 👍
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I currently live in KL, the Muppet has poked the bear he should have been more aware of local sensitivities before opening his gob, which also included spitting on the audience and destroying an event drone. Even K pop bands will adjust their attire to perform without risk of causing a stir. This is not the west and never will be... Thankfully.
The Beatles stood up to certain US states by refusing to play to segregated audiences.
The funniest thing is, the concert goers in Malaysia comes from very different culture, religion and race backgrounds, with tonnes of LGBTQ people out in drags and such 😂😂 Because it's a MULTI RACIAL and MULTI RELIGIOUS country, the one and only in the world where nobody is being segregated 😂😂
Tried pre-saving on Apple Music the song from the description, Wasted by May The Muse, but it says it’s not available in the US.
I think his heart was in the right place, but there are better ways to bring awareness to it. At the end of the day, he gets to go home and the people of Malaysia are stuck living with the reality of the situation.
We are in the reality. The crowds itself feel ugly the way clumsy matt spreading hate instead of message. Cheers
Not his heart, his hubris was in the place and obviously not the right one.
It's an attention seeking behavior.. a lot people doesn't really care about "human rights" but activism, supporting a cause made them feel "special". He's so "brave" in pushing this cause he quickly left the country afterwards, to avoid the law. What a coward😂
Måneskin did this, too, in Poland where they have a lot of opposition to same sex relationships and it was a great move for them!
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Hi Justin, as a Malaysian fan of yours (who remembered when you came in 2016, and thank you for coming to Malaysia), is it ok if I give my opinion about this issue? I'm quite nervous though.
Just say what you need too...
Justin has been clear that he encourages us to discuss openly in comments here. As long as you're not espousing bigotry, this community will appreciate your perspective.
I think the way in which he did may've been the most effective way to actually raise awareness tbh sometimes you just gotta take that step forward to actually make a difference 🤷♂ cue every single or at least most fuckîng succesful revolutions in the world, just saying, anger ain't really right or wrong perse it's just an emotion that has a function and serves a purpose , and sometimes you've gotta express it in such a way to really get the point across
Saw them in January at the O2, completely blew my mind - was fantastic and like nothing I've ever seen. Saw them recently at Finsbury Park, didn't think it was as good but still a great gig. Did find myself wishing he'd stop talking at times. Won't go into the complexities of the Malaysia gig, but it seems he goes through extreme phases of wanting to provoke which can both increase and decrease people's attraction to the music. The most extreme form of his desire to provoke definitely takes away from the greatness of the music, which is a shame as they make some incredibly interesting stuff. Love your channel Justin, keep it up mate.
Went to both gigs and I agree. His hearts in the right place I think but wish he stop the preaching and just play the tunes.
Did he kiss his bandmate?
@@mohdjamil69why not
@@sathira_anuk5179 Well I'm not religious and rather open minded but someone kissing someone else in public like they did (with tongue and drool) is a bit like wanking in public for me. A small kiss maybe to show that the other is with you if someone try to flirt with, but that's it.
There were handful of bands especially the 70's bands for example Santana, Uriah Heep, Deep Purple, Scorpions, just to name a few played in Malaysia before but those groups were very profesional..no bad attitude, good discipline..and they just delivered their music profesionally and everybody enjoyed their shows...no harm done...this is what the people/audiences want...
Well I don't know if it's quite this simple. Artists have to decide what they want to stand for and what they feel comfortable supporting. I think artists choosing to 'stay out of politics' is cowardly. I think it's good for musicians to use their influence and platform to stand up for what they believe in. But I do agree that they should do it in an educated and mindful way, making sure their activism doesn't backfire and harm the community they are trying to support.
If I was a famous musician I wouldn't feel comfortable playing in a place with anti-LGBTQ+ laws without carefully considering the impact my concert would have. I, for example, wouldn't play in Florida without finding a way to raise awareness of their anti-Trans laws or somehow supporting the local Trans community. If I didn't acknowledge the issue at all I would feel like I was letting down part of my queer community.
I think it's important for artists to educate themselves beforehand, consult with locals who are fighting for the same issues and to come up with a strategy together. Or to simply decide not to play in that country at all.
Lot's of artists choose not to play in certain countries. Whether it's queer musicians boycotting countries that criminalise their identity or sexuality or artists like Ezra Furman boycotting Coachella for having an owner who funds anti-LGBT organisations. Or like the many artists (like Big Thief) deciding not to play in Israel in order to stand in solidarity with Palestinians. It's a complicated and nuanced issue.
But blindly and 'professionally' playing a gig can support a system you strongly disagree with.
I might be biased since I am from Germany and I don't think anyone should ever blindly support anything. I wish people back then hadn't blindly participated in cultural events put on by the Nazi government without carefully assessing the impact their participation had on the situation. The Nazi's were the absolute extreme of course but it's a spectrum and there's a lot of unjust oppression I would not feel comfortable supporting in any way.
@@alexandrareuter327i'm all for whatever the artists beliefs. But i also think that no other person is more qualified to talk shit about a government to their citizen other than the citizen itself. They know the situation very well. What do outsiders know about the issues happening in a particular country? Bringing their ideologies and imposing on other nationals. Like you said, the best way to support your beliefs is by boicotting. Lauv actually cancelled his tour in Malaysia. The repercussion was just angry fans at the event organizer for not giving proper reason to the cancellation. But the fans have been good to Lauv. 🤷🏻♀️ I think people should stop minding other people's business. There's s fine line between advocating and meddling
@@zaffyjay2806 I obviously agree that people of the oppressed group within the country know and understand the situation best. If foreigners feel uncomfortable with the country's laws then their boycott or activism should be informed by the knowledge of locals who are effected by the situation. There are usually charities and organisations within the country that can help with decision making. I am aware that effective activism can look very different depending on the situation and culture.
But that doesn't mean that an artist from another country can't have an opinion on the situation.
It seems like you think playing a concert is neutral or passive, it's not. It is actively making a choice. I'm not saying artists shouldn't play in Malaysia! I'm only saying that if they choose to play in Malaysia they are actively making a choice to work within a certain framework and within certain laws. Whatever they decide to do, it is a political decision.
The same goes for playing in any other city, state or country with other cultural and religious backgrounds.
And I don't think it's fair calling it 'ideologies'. My sexuality is not a political 'ideology' that I decided to support. It's who I am.
I fight for queer rights because I want to be allowed to openly love who I love. And I am well aware that in some places I can't do that. I'm dating someone who is from a country that has criminalised relationships like ours.
As an artists in the public eye you absolutely have an obligation to stand up for the human rights of the people in the country you are playing in. Picking your sexuality is a human right.
I went to Africa 8 years ago. I had to pretend to be straight because it was safer. I also had to steer clear of certain topics. The locals viewed the western world as a place filled with witchcraft and insanity because we’re going forward, accepting others and don’t have laws against things that don’t need laws such as who you sleep with. They are held back and backwards in a lot of ways. I would answer questions that the locals would ask me about living in the western world. I would only answer the questions asked. I wouldn’t push my opinion, just give them facts. The only people that we were allowed to speak about lgbtq topics was in an lgbtq establishment. The way that their faces lit up was amazing. One man was a drag queen and was so down to go to the western world and dance in drag. He also wanted to go dancing with us that night in drag. They wanted the same rights as we had. It was an amazing and eye opening experience. I understand Matt Healy wanted to bring attention to this, help with this issue and use his platform for good and for amazing activism. If you have a big platform and you’re ready for the repercussions, use your platform for activism. Keep in mind that different parts of the world are moving forward or, they view themselves as “moving forward” even though the western world views it as backwards. Good intentions, poorly done
If you came to Malaysia 20 years ago you wouldn't have had to pretend you were straight. You could have a fun time at one of the gay bars (that are still open until now) and partied 'til the morning, when you would come out into the daylight and see trans-prostitutes touching up their makeup at the bus stop, without fear of being arrested or beaten up. Well, at least in the biggest cities such as Kuala Lumpur, Petaling Jaya and Penang.
And it's been like this for years and years and no one cares despite the laws. One law (that is rarely executed except for political reasons) vs the LGBTQ+ community actually getting to live however they want as long as they are respectful of others in society - do we really need to undo this more real progress?
This is why "white saviour" accusations are leveled. You're telling us to move forward... there really isn't a long way to go. However, what Healy did might undo this progress... maybe.... we'll see. My LGBTQ+ friends will, of course, say more can be done, but what we had wasn't so bad.
Activism should be with eyes wide open, be ready to accept the consequences. If they put you in jail for offending their laws, then don't expect your country to bail you out.
Getting drunk and senselessly risking arrest and backlash to grandstand for social justice without any knowledge of the context and implications. I guess this is the quintessential rock star of our generation 😂
I’m Malaysian, not a member of LGBTQ+ community but I do support their fight for their rights. I’m ALL for freedom of expression. And in the spirit of rock n roll; I’m ok with everything that Matt did and said - IF it did not have a negative affect on the local activism fight for LGBTQ rights. White saviour crap nonsense aside, I think he was well-intentioned but rather ignorant to do/say what he did without checking the local climate on this subject. Also, I think if there wasn’t the on stage kiss, none of this would matter. Conservative Malaysians latched on to that image and ran away with it.
Thanks for this level-headed all-sides-of the-coin look at this incident, Justin. You’re right, it’s a very nuanced situation that’s tough navigate.
I'm all for standing up for what you believe in, but in a public forum in a foreign culture it needs to be done with self control, and a deep understanding of the situation and the people who are going to face the potential repercussions. This looks to me like a tantrum and a mess left for others to deal with, even if he had the best intentions.
I blame Geldof, everyone thinks their voice is important and has the potential to make a difference. And everyone just comes off looking like an idiot.
@@HessenUKthe thing is, everyone can make a difference and their voices are important...but people need to turn down the ego and engage their brain meat before making sounds for that to be true.
I don't follow what the 1975 and Matty Healy does, but I do have a trans brother here in the US. This came off as totally cringy and like he just really needs to be stuck in rehab.
Homophobia and radical islam are not a 'culture'. It's an ancient prejudice, that kill people for no reason. Stop calling this bunch of backwards idiots 'culture'.
he's drunk, there's no good intention there
In my opinion, it just seems blindingly obvious that he's a self righteous person. He wasn't doing this for the LGBTQ+ community, he was doing it to feel good about himself. Massive difference
Still. Good to s**t on the stupid Muslims.
Sam Cooke, Nina Simone, Aretha, Green Day, The Clash, The Specials, Bob Marley, Billy Bragg, Bob Dylan, Rage Against the Machine, Woody Guthrie, Riot Grrrl, Public Enemy, John Lennon, Billy Holiday, Sam Smith. Let's face it, this list could get very, very long. Activism has and will always have a place in popular music and quite right too. How artist's wish to use their platform will always be open to debate and conjecture, and clumsy or otherwise this has certainly started a conversation, that for one, wouldn't have otherwise taken place on your platform. Social change rarely comes without casualties, but for me, it will always remain the case that it's worth it.
I came across your tube. I really like the way you handle the discussions. Well I am a Malaysian. First of all, there are actually multi-layered reasons,why this is not accepted by us Malaysians. Not only because of the government legal system, but also culturally, historically and belief related reasons or views of the malaysians. It is not solely the governmental desicions to oppose such behaviour. I as a Malaysian and many like me did not like what he was doing. The ones cheering maybe foreigners and also with the background of not purely natives. So they would not have the cultural recollection of being the home-grown Malaysians. And this was also not only not acceptable to the Muslims, but also the Hindus and Buddhist as well. The cultural being of us too as the Malays, Indians, Chinese and others would not accept such behaviour. If you were to ask me what i think. I would have said that the controversial act portrayed the imperialists at their best. Rude and absurd like the ancestors who came here before. Looks like you guys, the "orang putih", or the white people never change. But it is unfair to have that view, right? So stop pushing the western ideologist to our throats. The Brits or westerners must not know or remember that when they came to the Malay land before, they were not happy moments. They were ugly. You guys were the imperialists pressing us down to your feet. Our rights if there any were supposed to be under your opinions, your approval and your benefits. Your ancestors used us, used our resources and bullied us. Hundreds of years. However, now, we as the new generation of malaysians, were not taught to embroil ourselves with the miseries of the past, so we decide to move forward. And that is the reason why whenever foreigners came to our countries including the Brits, other westerners and all, we are still welcoming with no grudges. But we never forget. We never forget our root and nor that we forget you. We want to be us. We are perfectly fine being us. And finally we gained the right for being us. But when that whatever bloody arrogant group came in like that, like they had the greatest point of view in the world.......reminded us how some of you still do not move on from that rude imperialist behaviour. If they did not agree with Malaysians, then don't come. Look at other more well-known bands or celebrities who came to Malaysia, especially from the Asian countries. Our radio Djs were the ones obsessing the english lyrics musics, when there were options. The rest of the Malaysians, we have choices, many and variety of musics from many countries. Further, when you decided to be musicians who are your audiences? Your fans? If your fans have certain matters that they are not comfortable with, why would you carry on rebuking them. Don't you feel like you need to respect your fans, the ones who support your career. You can just be the alphabet that you want without sending provocation. You guys must understand the indecency act to us Malaysians are not just the gay act, but any other sexual act as well, with different genders, kids, animals and whatsoever. (LOL!) Not only sexual acts but also other rude behaviours. So if the rude behaviour is the embodiment of certain people's art or talent, well, I 'm afraid just hit the road man. Don't come. Go and do that to the place that love those. We opt for real talents here.
I am sorry if my english is not good.
The problem is how he did it. Alcohol seems to be such a big part of the issue, cuz i think he's intelligent enough that he wouldn't have behaved so brashly if he didn't get drunk. It would have been better to ask LGBT communities if and how he could help.
We should recognize what's effective in a given place, and then decisively act to advance people's rights.
Agreed. All we want is to respect our culture & law.
Betul, agree
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Informed advocacy is fine - no issues with the use of celebrity to bring a message that may educate or an advance a cause. It should be done carefully and only after discussion with those actually affected. This was not that. This was at best, misinformed and, at worst, promotional hubris. I believe it was the former so hopefully he can learn from it.
Agreed. He leaves after the gig, those effected have to live there.
Being in a particular industry doesn't make you free from the law.
If the law is openly ignoring human rights ans opressing people then it is WELL worth not following it and to riot against it. All Malaysians should stand up for their humam rights.
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@@metalpuppet5798which human rights would that be
@@akaiyukihana as I said free choice of sexuality is a clear human right. You can freely make any decision regarding your sexuality unless you are committing sex crimes or something. But homosexuality is simply a human need for millions of people. That has nothing to do with a sex crime.
@@metalpuppet5798 no one cares what you choose literally
I'd be curious to find out how the other bands felt after they had their set pulled after Matt Healy's rant? I don't think he did it all in a way that was sensitive to the people of Malaysia, to the other artists performing or to the LGBTQIA+ community. Watching it, it felt self indulgent and Matt centric. I agree with the Malaysian queer people interviewed and trust what they have to say on the matter, due to their lived experience of being a queer person living in Malaysia. While Matt Healy can think and feel whatever he wants about the rights of people in different countries, I think there are better ways of expressing it, that doesn't cause harm to the people he is attempting to defend.
A lot of the artists were upset and angry at the 1975. The Strokes were really looking forward performing in Malaysia, but they’re planning to do something.
The Kid Laroi performed at a hotel he stayed in Malaysia ❤️🫡
It hurts to read how hurt is caused by such a simple kiss
@@Imsickofallyallseeingmynameits more than just kissing. It’s more you challenge the gov, the people, the religions.
@@ilaAlia007 no. That's the whole point. You're missing the whole point. It was a kiss. A kiss shouldn't make people this angry.
@@ImsickofallyallseeingmynameHonestly, one week gone and I am still traumatized by what Matt Healy has done.
I really hope that The 1975 will pay for the relevant damages occured. There is a class lawsuit that will be filed against the band very soon.
I think that sticking to local law and reducing ciritcism to either a comment or a banner during concert or later on social media would be better while playing the show people want to see.
Also, if one plans on doing a thing like this based on their information - getting in touch with local activists who know the situation is definitely a good option.
a simple advice to matt healy, "when in rome, do as the romans", please
Absolutely fucking not. The Malaysian rules are clearly against human rights. We all need to stand up against such governments. Sexuality and picking your sexuality is a human right
You’re always thoughtful and nuanced in your opinions yet the titles would have you think you’re nothing of the sort!
Thank you for your video, cuz I was carrying this confusion with me until today, and I was really upset. I’m upset for my country. And I’m upset for The 1975 too.
Ask Bono, Geldoff, Lennon (RIP), … what they think (thought) about activism in music, or in art in general?
I have the same shirt as Justin? Seems we are both gentlemen of fine taste.
I think reaching out to activists prior is the best way. Refusing to play shows really hurts the fans. I live in a fairly conservative border state. It's gone purple recently. Which in my opinion is good. Tons of bands refused to tour my state when SB1070 was all the rage. It made national news. Because it was the most restrictive anti illegal immigration law on record nationally as of that time. The whole country weighed in on it. Bands made public proclamations that they would not tour here. They kept their word. Even though logistically it made sense to come here. Many of them suffered financially from rerouting their tours around my state. I'm not sure how much that helps anything. It comes off as performative. Because who you're attacking are the fans who don't necessarily agree with the agenda you're against. Sure there's some that do. But you're not really helping. You're broadly punishing the fans, erasing jobs and punishing the people who may not even vote or be politically engaged. You're using your tiny little slice of a state's populous you're not from as a target. Realistically, you're probably not even punishing your intended target. I get the rationale. I get the very loud pushback you'll get from people who do not live in that state/country that think you shouldn't tour there. I can also understand not saying anything about the issue and touring. Especially if you're not willing to research and spend time learning and thinking about it. I get all the approaches. I just think the best route is if you're not a radical centrist, or you passionately disagree with the opposing side. Reach out to the local folks on the ground in that area. Take the time to find the right ones. So you don't get harassed for not approaching the right grassroots organization. Once you've done that, let them educate you and move on from there. It's the only way to make the most people happy.
I was under the impression Matty sorta planned this?? I mean, the kissing part, might not have considered all consequences?? This really IS really hard... 🤔 On one level, how can I not agree with Matty? Buuuut... yes, not listening to the people it actually concerns and what their views are on what is best for them... Not good! I'd say, if you do plan some kind of manifestation, that is what you should try to do.
Goodness, difficult questions.
Generally speaking, though, about artists and celebrities talking. Of course they should be able to use the freedom of speech most of us are able to enjoy. We are not obliged to listen if they say really shitty things, or really don't know what they are talking about, but we can't tell them to just "sing and shut up"!
Okay, you can't shut up AND sing, can you 😆but you know what I meant 😅
I'm commenting as a Canadian, and of the 4 speakers, I agree with the Malaysian man living in the States, and the Malaysian drag queen. The first 2 speakers' opinions were coming from a Western perspective. They live in countries where no one would be punished or persecuted for saying what he said on stage. How much does Matt Healy know about the nuances of Malaysian politics? Did he know what the repercussions of his outburst would be for the LGBTQ+ community in that country? It also drives me out of my mind when Americans talk about freedom of speech, as if it's a universal right. It's very much not...there are countries where people are imprisoned, punished, or simply disappear, for voicing an opinion contrary to the government's official stance on an issue...like LGBTQ+ rights.
I'm no experienced world traveller, but I'm certainly aware that not every country is Canada, and that I can't act the way I do here in certain other countries. If I were going to travel to a country like Malaysia, before going, I would certainly research their cusoms, cultures, and laws so that I knew what behaviours, clothing, and speech are acceptable/unacceptable. That seems like common sense.
I think that Justin's suggestion that, if you're going to perform in a country where they have laws/practices that you strongly disagree with, the best idea is to ask an activist in that country how you can best use your fame/platform to help their cause. Perhaps if Matt had done that, he may have been told that the best thing he could do for the LGBTQ+ community in Malaysia would be to wait until he left the country, and make people in other, more liberal countries aware of the situation there. Sometimes, pressure from other governments is effective in making a country change its more restrictive laws. Or maybe they would have asked him to please just not do or say anything, because of the very precarious situation that community is in right now, especially with an election coming up in Malaysia.
He had the luxury of having his bratty hissy fit, then walking offstage, and leaving the country, with the money from the people there who had paid to see him, and with no consequences for what he said. He left behind the people who will pay the price for his poorly chosen, barely coherent, selfish words.
As I said, I agree with the man from Malaysia...Matt Healy is a f*cking idiot. And he's dangerous. What he said could incite many people to commit violence against the community he claimed to be speaking up for. They didn't ask him to speak up for them...they know how their country works, he doesn't. He should have kept his stupid mouth shut.
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" Sometimes, pressure from other governments is effective in making a country change its more restrictive laws."
As a Malaysian, I will tell you that idea won't happen at all, ever. With that kind of pressure, you just escalated moderate people inclined more towards far-right movement or worse, extremism. As you know, Malaysia has a state religion which is Islam. Any outsiders meddling with their faith and teaching of Islam, Muslims from different political parties would unite together to fight outsiders from meddling in our internal affairs, especially from the West because we had a bad experience with colonialism.
"The first 2 speakers' opinions were coming from a Western perspective. They live in countries where no one would be punished or persecuted for saying what he said on stage." Thank you for this statement. Unfortunately, free speech is not free of consequences. People seems to forget this.
@@hammerfall6666 Since you are Malaysian, you are the perfect person to know what the consequences of my suggestions would be. That was my point. That if he had asked someone from the LGBTQ+ activist community in Malaysia, he would have been told by them what he could best do to help....he may have been told that he should make other people aware of the situation after he left the country, or to try to put pressure on other governments to do something, or to just say nothing. As someone who knows nothing about the politics in Malaysia, he was in no position to know what the consequences of his stupid speech would be. And I have a feeling that had he asked, he would have probably been told to say/do nothing, and, judging by your comment, I assume that is the advice you would have given him. I had no idea either, I just tried to come up with some examples of the kind of advice he might have been given. I can certainly understand how pressure from other governments could make the situation so much worse, and even push people to extremism. Thank you for explaining that to me.
The very worst thing about the whole situation on Healy's part (and something I didn't know at the time I wrote my comment) is that he's done something similar before, so he did have a very good idea of what the consequences could be. I read an article from 3 years ago about a concert they played in Dubai. Before the show, they were told what they could and couldn't say on stage, and it was made very clear that there was to be no gay imagery on stage. During the show, he brought a huge gay pride flag onstage, and kissed a male fan from the audience on the lips. After the show, he was told that he had put the fan in danger because he could have been arrested for kissing Healy. After leaving the country, they went to Japan, and that's where he read articles about the Dubai incident, and what the consequences for the fan could have been. He said that at first he felt irresponsible, then he just thought "f*ck that. I have a voice, and as an ally, I'm going to use it to defend and speak up for the gay community who can't speak up for themselves."
So, he already knew, going in to Malaysia (or any Muslim country) that that kind of behaviour not only wouldn't be tolerated, but could be considered criminal. And, yet, as an "ally" he thought nothing of putting the LGTBQ+ community in danger. And, if you listen to his tirade, I don't even think it was so much about being an ally, as it was about him not liking being told what he could or couldn't do. He says it right out...he doesn't think it's right that someone else can tell him what he can and can't do. Well, damn, every country has laws...every public place you go has rules!! And to just blatantly ignore them and do as you please, because "no one tells you what you can and can't do" is just selfish and inconsiderate at the least, and a crime at the worst. How many times has he done this, or will he do this again, with absolutely no consequences to himself...leaving those he's "defending" to suffer the consequences of HIS actions?? He just comes off as a self-absorbed celebrity.
Tough one, this is. Probably wasn’t the best way to go about it.
If you are a performer 1) Make songs about what you believe, what is important, what will sell 2) have a person inform you of the culture, laws of the places you are booking with 3) don't play at places you believe are inhumane OR if you do, ask the activists what is the best course of action in that place but then play your music (which should have lyrics which already speak your mind on topics) 4) After you play-if you do- make sure to inform the world in interviews, blogs, letters to your fans about the atrocities you see and let the world take action and then 5) give your money to the organizations fighting for what matters to you in those countries and give money to people in politics (if permitted) to change laws you think are inhumane. In the end, PERFORM, that is your gift and job. Stand up for things in your performance, in your music, in your interviews, in your donations. Don't punish the fans. Build them up and inspire them with your music and lyrics to stand up for themselves, fight for themselves and make changes for themselves. If you really can't stand a country's laws, then never go there and give money to activists, inform in interviews....til it changes. But if you go, then be respectful, don't break laws and perform to inspire your fans. Again, if something matters to you, wouldn't you (as an artist) already be writing/singing about it in your music??? Your lyrics should already be "the rant". You should not have to say a thing...just sing your thoughts. My thought is you are much more likely to persuade and change the world with inspiration, artistic empathetic stories and lyrics, emotionally charged music and your own activities outside the venue-like your donations. Well you catch more flies with sugar versus vinegar in the end.
interesting to note that the 1975 are also banned in Dubai from doing the same thing - dunno if this was meantioned
The 1975 just got fined 2mil+ pound within 7 days! Well played!
The world of music and the world in general could use more Justin Hawkins....CHEERS!
Thank you!!
That "reverse out" hand gesticulation needs to be memed immediately 😂
Admittedly when I first heard about this, I wondered if he was trying to copy what Damiano and Thomas from Måneskin did in Poland in 2021.
When after singing their second song on a tv show, Damiano grabbed Thomas' face, kissing him before making a short speech of what they believed in, and how everyone should be able to do so.
The difference though, is that they didn't insult the country, and did so in a Country with a similar culture to their own. So in contrary to Healy's act, the Polish lgbt community actually welcomed their show of support.
I'm Southeast Asian, and though I'm not Malaysian (I'm Filipino), perhaps I can provide some insight here to this incident: Matt Healy's actions and advocacy are misplaced.
ANY Westerner, whatever their beliefs or advacies are, especially White Westerners, will carry the burden of colonialism. Christianity, Liberalism, Atheism, Secularism, etc. it doesn't matter. The only thing people in the region will see when you pull a stunt like this or preach the way Matt did is "here's another white person telling us what to do and how to live our lives."
The best way to support the LGBT community in Malaysia is through grassroots change. Find the actual communities there that do something to forward the movement and help them out. This applies to any movement, ideology, or religion. Otherwise, any effort by Westerners who aren't from that country will just seem like a white messianic act.
Agreed 100 percent
Totally. It's a major discredit that he is an ignorant white foreigner. Like Carmen Rose said in the interview, this will be used as ammo against the LGBT community. Not just because it is getting a lot of publicity, but specifically because the conservative discourse can now blame foreign influence & western (liberal) pop cultures as being responsible for these LGBT ideas, or for imposing them on Malaysians. This allows them to completely write-off, ignore, or bypass the real existing support on the ground for these ideas from actual Malaysian people.
That totally helps the conservative movement justify their agenda. They can look like they are nobly standing up against the persuasion of the powerful colonial/white/foreign evils. Rather than if a popular Malaysian performer did something similar (or if the 1975 gave them the platform instead), then the discourse could be centered around the opinion of Malaysian people, the crowd, the fans, public reaction, etc, about what happened.
As a Malaysian, I agree 100%.
"This applies to any movement, ideology, or religion."
Except Islam. They would never budge their faith for human rights, ever.
In a way this almost comes back to what you were discussing with country singer Miranda Lambert. There is a right way and a wrong way to go about things and perhaps the heat of the moment produces responses that are not always as helpful as considered ones - the heart is in the right place, but the action is misplaced. The 1975 are outspoken on a lot of issues and there is not problem with that. Perhaps going to Malaysia to perform was not the best thing for the group to do in the first place and management should have been a little more aware of cultural etiquette there. If that was not possible, for whatever reason, then rather than a rant full or expletives that helped no one, a well worded statement from the band (perhaps with consultation from local LGBTQ+ groups) would have been a better way to get the point across and help a cause Matty Healy is obviously passionate about rather than hinder it.
Great video Justin!
It's like you come to your friend's house and they asked you to take off your shoes before going in, but then you said, "why should I take off my shoes?". You'll be guaranteed to pissed off your friend by saying that.
That comparison is completely stupid. It is a human right to pick your own sexuality. In ANY country. Local laws do NOT stand over human rights
So people are supposed to stay silent? Not sure how change is going to ever happen.
Wow! High sensitive content today (the huge editing parts show that you struggle to deal with it too😅)
When I hear about topics like this one, or others with also a very strong political component, I always think about the *utopian song John Lennon wrote:
🎶"Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace
Youuuu..."🎶
It saddens me a lot living in a world where there is an increasing lack of respect, and this problem exists everywhere. Even in countries with certain human rights garanteed there is the risk of losing them...
Let's spread the word of John Lennon!!!✌️❤️
I think something a situation like this makes so much more evident is the fact that so often these days people from westernized countries - particularly the US; talk about how western countries are the ‘worst’, ‘most oppressive’, ‘most bigoted’ countries in the world but the truth is that viewpoint is so often held by people with no knowledge of or experience with what’s happening in other parts of the world; those views are often held as a result of context collapse and complete ignorance.
… Then situations like this shine a light on the fact that so many that live in the West with its often unparalleled freedoms are so unbelievably fortunate to do so.
There’s a reason so many people hope and dream of moving to places like the US and the UK - myself included; im a South African living in the US.
That said, I’m NOT saying the west is perfect, I’m NOT saying it is without fault or without room for growth and improvement, it has its problems and pain points, without a doubt that’s true BUT I think there’s a real lack of gratitude in the world today particularly amongst those who live and have only lived in western nations for the freedoms experienced that frankly, people in other parts of the world simply don’t, not least of which the freedoms people within the LGBTQ community are so fortunate to experience! Hard earned freedoms, yes but freedoms that are not always experienced worldwide.
Thank you for talking about this
Crazy... going to see Muse tomorrow in Kuala Lumpur. Hope this one goes well...
Classic anglophone attitude.
"Look poor minions, I'm going to set you free with my truth", phahaha
In Latin America, we standardized the phrase"shut up gringo", for these situations. Mostly towards Americans, but any pesky Brit would have it too.
They think we need to be saved by them. How deluded they are thinking we need their help and budging into our country then insulting us? They still do not change their imperialist mind.
Once again, youve extended empathy to all perpectives and heard them out. I agree, consult with local activists and ask what would be helpful and not endanger them further.
Never expect that your perception of reality is the same as others, it's a good way to avoid costly mistakes.
It’s a shame Matty didn’t say it sober and with prior consultation with groups in the country first, it might have come across better, plus it’s not affected the government just the poor fans at the gig! By the way the video shows it was the bass player that kissed him not the other way round, not that’s important just a fact the media got wrong again!
While the attempt at activism may have been clumsy, it's essential to acknowledge that the LGBTQ community in Malaysia currently lacks many rights. Therefore, it's doubtful that his words would have caused significant damage. In my view, the key lies in embracing free speech as the solution to not only this particular debate but any contentious issue. Allowing all ideas to be expressed fosters an environment where people can openly consider and choose which concepts they support or reject. Admittedly, there could have been more effective approaches to raising awareness for his cause. Nevertheless, the fact that he has initiated a debate is a crucial starting point for discussing and advocating for change
Too bad America is the only country that actually protects free speech, huh?
Before you make a fool of yourself, use the goddamn Google to know what is the state religion in Malaysia first.
Good video. Should definitely do a video on Wunderhorse up and coming band, poppy is a great song has a bit of everything.
How can you respect a countries policies when such policies don't respect their own peoples existence?
If anything it really shows the brutality of the powers that be that the condemned people are afraid of people sticking up and making a stand for once.
Western struggles have had similar responses where people didn't want to fight and would rather hide. I don't blame people for wanting an easy life, we all do, but doing the easy thing is not equal to doing the right thing.
Solidarity is needed in times like these for such communities going through such vilification.
Yeahhhh your words are useless as the country has a state religion which is Islam. All your dreams are a pipe dream.
Good for them. Ray Charles and The Beatles refused to play gigs that segregated audiences. Guess they'd be called woke nowadays, but they were completely right.
Hiya Justin he was also pissed off at the concerts drone that almost hit him his security lad had to punch it down, and hes also very rightly so narked at people calling him a pedofile on a tik tok video of him picking up his friends bairn these all need to be taking in to context of just how angry he was and as it wasn't shown on the video here felt i needed to point it out ❤
I feel like this is a classic case of someone who is trying to be an ally accidentally stepping on the same people they are trying to stand up for. We see this here in America even with communities that are also American (be it the LGBTQIA+ community, the black community, whomever) because of a cultural disconnect or just not understanding that above all else, if you want to stand up for a community you are not apart of CONSULT THAT COMMUNITY. The activists in the community itself know much better than you do the greatest way to go about saying or doing or accomplishing whatever it is you are aiming for.
I read that some in the LGBTQ community in Malaysia felt his behavior will just increase the hatred and hostility directed at them. When I heard this, it made me think that this wasn't the best way to support change in there country. If musicians and artists, want to help they should boycott Malaysia much like they did South Africa in the 80s. I think this would be a more effective way to make a stand.
well said. Having a go at their government, while playing in their country.
Or talk to emancipation groups in that country and ask them what they need.
You can't go to a country,take the money, then go on a rant..and think that you really are doing the people, who this will affect most of all, a favour..effectively he's dropped a bomb and left it to them to deal with, I fail to see how that will help them. But it certainly has got him some publicity.
The best way to deal with it would be to not go its that simple in my opinion.
incorrect. he got the world talking about this idiotic law.
What good does it do if it's talked about while LGBTQ+ people in Malaysia have to live the consequences every day?
Great video. It is not a simple issue and is nuanced, particularly for those living under repressive regimes. There is a point to being respectful of the cultures you visit. I live in Hawaii and it is not the same as the rest of America, but no place or culture is monolithic. There are marginalized people everywhere and they deserve to be defended. I agree that his delivery was perhaps a tad inelegant, but I definitely do not question his sincerity. And, the notion that we all should be quiet and not make waves is capitulating to authoritarianism. I liked your suggestion of reaching out to activists to properly understand how we can engage in effective advocacy in a place we are visiting or performing. Great video, Justin. Love the shirt too! I really want to get the Darkness out to Maui! We just had Dinosaur Jr. play the MACC(Maui Arts and Cultural Center) a couple of months back. It's an excellent venue. I am pining to see you guys play there too! Much love, bruddah!🤘🤙🌺🌈
Agree with you 100%. Great comment
@@sleejay8910 Thanks!
Just a few extra things to throw in to the discussion. There are three things not discussed in Malaysia (the 3 R's) Race, Religion, Royalty (Rulers). There are good reasons for this as it can cause some serious consequences as in the past e.g. race riots
Matty saying he didn't care if "you were religious" will be a bigger issue than some Westerners will realise. And this will be used in upcoming local elections.
Matty being drunk is a big issue as Muslims are prohibited from buying alcohol.
The current PM was convicted of sodomy and spent time in prison - he was mostly likely innocent and was used by political rivals to purge him but there was no discussion of repealing the law after he was elected.
I've spent a lot of time recently in Malaysia and I am very confident that nothing will change here. It will be dismissed as a drunken rant by an amoral person that disrespects Islam. While some may say the young will change things, if anything, I would say the young are getting more conservative.
The young get more conservative by looking at the west. What is a woman? Castrated kids, sex reassignment surgery for minor, drag queen show at school, an@l s3x books at school,1000 genders. Who want that??
What's this got to do with Islam? Are you that dense? Even China and Russia banned this kind of immorality
Oh please. Get back to the real world. Muslims are the same people like everybody else. They drink, use drugs and watching P-Hub
"I would say the young are getting more conservative."
Finally, someone who thinks logically. As a Malaysian, I approve of your observation and it's correct.
Many outsiders think that the young are getting progressive after socializing with them on Twitter or if they came to Malaysia, they make a generalization based on how Kuala Lumpur or Penang people behave.
But it's the opposite as now we live in every information is on our fingers and anything about Islamic teaching is also easy to get access and it's spreading fast too especially on social media.
Facebook is listed as the top most popular social media and this is the place where the conservatives, the majority in this country hang out and followed by Tiktok in the second place, also dominated by the conservatives.
Twitter? pfffttttt......
So, yeah you're right about nothing will change here and its status quo will stay remain here forever, and that's why our PM make a statement in January, saying he wouldn't ever recognize LGBTQ at all.
After he made this statement, he gains a lot of Muslim support as he know, if you change or disturb the status quo, his political career will be the end for him.
@@hammerfall6666 what all the fuzz about then??? It doesn't matter, drunk or sober, in the concert or after, with kiss or without - young religious 🐏🐑🐑🐏🐑 wouldn't listen to him anyway. So he is doing right to do what he wants and how he wants.
I live in SE Asia, it is not the west, conservatives have more power here and act out if they feel their moral control is questioned or threatened. What may be impowering in the west can cause opposition backlash here. Things can get dangerous in ways things dont in the west.
As usual Justin you have approached this in a thoughtful way.
At the end of the day though...come on it was pretty rock n roll, the conservatives were outraged and thats always fun.
I don’t even think the Rant was about LGBT rights initially, he was already ranting and angry about being famous and being accused of being a pedo (in his words). So I think it was almost a build up of anger and then like ‘oh, and another thing…’
Oh no, DOWNFALL!!
Looking around in the time since the incident, I notice that Matty Healy is still getting mileage out of it - as if it really is a joke, something intentionally humorous…
I mentioned elsewhere, that my admiration for a great group of musicians hinged on the feeling that they always represented A Good Time for me: Matty Healy’s misguided rant was stunning in the wrong way, but I don’t feel anger any more: how I feel, is disenchanted - & THAT feels so cold!
🙏🏽💔🙏🏻
Totally understand you. When I realized that my ex-girfriend was an idiot I had the same feeling.
What about yee Justin. What about a video on Sinead O’Connors infamous “Saturday Night Live Show” when she tore up a photo of the ultimate “enabler”, Pope John Paul II saying “Fight The Real Enemy” in a protest to what happened to her in the Magdalene Orphanage where she was abused as a teenager.
After passing away this week she deserves some love for what she did then and highlighting the evils of covering up when no-one else was speaking up against the Catholic Church in 1992 and being shunned, chastised and vilified, but being exonerated when it all was exposed.
Thanks for this
I'm embarrassed and ashamed of so many cowards here. If you truly love the Darkness and believe in a thing called love, you would realize that love and freedom are linked hand in hand. EVERY human being has the unalienable right to love who they want and we must speak out and against injustice everywhere.
Naive much !
Matty Healy specifically highlights having sex. Governments can tell you who you can and can't have sex with and indeed they do. Your government tells you that if you are a 40 yr old, for example, you can't have sex with an 8 yr old. Most people would be thankful that the government does say that.
Governments can and should tell its people who they can and can't have sex with. You just disagree with the Malaysian on this point, rather the government's right to do so, I would assume?
So pedophilia is OK?
There is no such thing as total love & freedom. Everything has boundaries, rules & regulations. Wake up!
@@ilaAlia007 this is incorrect. True love and freedom do exist.
Thanks for doing a nuanced video that shows all sides of this, Jussy. You're right, it's messy and complicated and like a lot of people I think the message was well intentioned but badly executed and reactionary (classic Matty...) - this coming from a massive fan of The Darkness and The 1975 (who's also queer).
Much love and keep up the legendary work 🤘
Dont you DARE refer to Justin as Jussie. Thats a Feminist term. As in "Jussie Smollet" the LIAR and Race Baiter it is.
His name is Justin.
Totally comes across like he hasn't got his way on something he was unaware off and used this as guise to not perform.
Enjoyed this different style.... Your really growing on me
I would say the easiest thing is to perform in those countries, stay within the culture as to not bring the negative attention Matty Healy brought to the situation, but show your allegiance in another way. You can release a statement afterwards, and back it up with charitable donations if you have the money the 1975 do. Or you can make a statement on stage in a much less performative way, as a minimum. It's very difficult but the repercussions of what he did are too bad for it to be considered a good thing. You could also argue attacking these things inebriated is a tad disrespectful, as much as it is his thing it feels like he's being a loud American tourist with big American opinions to share. Just my take though, I think he could have done better. Love the content dude!!
I always loved the way Skunk Anansie came back at the critics who said their music was too political. Skin penned "Yes, It's F@#king Political" as a middle finger to those who only want nice, easy music with nothing to say. Music and politics does mix, it's just up to the individual if they want to listen or not.
I'm not particularly a fan of the 1975 and I think he comes across as a bit of a nob in his delivery but fair play on them for raising the issue.
@@creamwobbly I know but I was being polite.
matt healy is most definitely a bit of a stuck up nob head, and I think he could've raised the issue better tbh
ever been to places where words/political music, not even your own words or music you support can get you killed in a blink? On the daily....regularly? I Bet not...
I agree. Music is art and art is an expression of how people feel. If that’s what they feel pushed to make music about, they absolutely should. I love bands that call shit out. Lamb of god, thy art is murder and tallah have made some great songs about the government
@@laurawallace1346 your point here was NEVER at issue in this video nor the dynamics at play...but well said by someone who more than likely has never had to deal w living in an ACTUAL theocracy where you truly have no rights...and the gov can literally do whatever they like to you when they decide to....and very often does...
Also not every country has the same laws as the one you reside in. VERY worth noting. You want to travel to another country? Make VERY certain you know what you're allowed to do or not do in it. Don't forget, some countries still use the death penalty.
You two should talk to each other. Both traditional rock stars with great insight.
So, counter point, Neil Young, Cosby, Still, and Nash, could include parts of The Beatles and the members solo work, like this list could go on forever and found just about everywhere else when it comes to geners, you gonna tell me Master Of Puppets didn't have some kind of "War is bad!" message in that album??? It belongs in the music, not because you can make a good song out of the matters, but also tell everyone else who doesn't have a clue of the issue
But how does anything change if human rights violations aren't called out in some way? He could have packaged it differently, but that's who he is and now we're talking about it so that's a good thing.
This western artist always crying about fucking ass, let's see his stance on Palestine