Panthers Asst Coach & NFL Vets GO OFF On Hip-Drop Tackle Rule
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Carolina Panthers assistant coach Daren Bates, NFL veteran cornerback Jalen Collins, former Eagles and Chargers offensive lineman King Dunlap, and 2023-24 Rec League playoff participant and Board Game champ Alex Sweet discuss the NFL's new rule that bans the hip-drop tackle. Full Raw Room episode "#202 Blue Zushi" • Raw Room - Ep 202 - Bl...
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*15 players injured from “Hip drop” - Take it out of the game. 50 players pop ACL because of Turf- buy more turf, fine players for speaking about the injuries from turf fields… 🧐*
pin thius
DAAAAAAAM!!! 🏆 🏆
This was spot on, Great point.
THANK YOU!!!!!
Facts. Tru facts. You spitting rn. Get rid of turf. Turf toe is a thing because of Turf. I neva heard of Grass toe? Lol. Mud, snow, bring back grass fields
If you never played football especially defense people have no clue how hard it is to tackle a another grown man let alone the beat of the best in the world man let them play ball injuries is a part of the game you don’t see no other contact sport banning important parts of the sport
Cap never had that problem because I tackle with form when you have uncontrolled aggression u use a hip drop tackle
@@donscoopez3942 you cannot take and angle every time! A form tackle can only take place on certain circumstances! How you form tackle a man from behind? Or the side? Or when he puts a move on you and he’s all over the place? Lmao
@@donscoopez3942And let me guess, you played Mike. Cause that’s the only way you’re ever getting majority form tackles. Otherwise, at all other positions, you’re chasing someone, which presents awkward angles. Not to mention, if you’re attempting to tackle someone bigger than you, you’ll most likely need to use leverage and your body weight in order to do so.
I’m sorry, but you’re minimizing this hard af, to the point you either sound like a liar, or a guy whose memory of high school is a little fuzzy.
Tackling ain't no joke especially when the guy is big the easy way to tackle a player is going for the legs.
@@donscoopez3942hs football doesn’t count
Man Derrick Henry bout to get 2,000 yards this year
😂😂😂 3000
I’d pay to see whoever signed off on this try to tackle derrick henry in game
Just grab his legs😂😂 I'm glad it ain't me
Defenders across the league should just stand there and let the offense score because this is ridiculous and Im a offensive player 🤷😂.
Does anybody remember a couple of years ago wjen they made it illegal for a offensive player to initiate helmet to helmet contact. They threw flags for a week then it disappeared.
Its bwck now they fined josh jacobs
As a top special teams guy, I wanna know what Bates thinks about the new kickoff.
GREAT question
They dropped a vid
“I JUST mastered your last rules!” 😂🤣😂🤣
“All you gotta do is…” - never played 1 snap of peewee, middle, high, college, pro 🤣🤣🤣
RB can still lower his helmet w/out "targeting" call. Now this. 10 years from now, it'll be full pads 2 hand touch.
They actually get fined for that sometimes after the game. They just don't throw a flag for it which makes no sense
I didn’t even understand what a hip drop tackle was until I just saw a video. Is that not just a tackle? Are they supposed to just let go if the offensive player doesn’t want to go down
It’s literally a lazy form of tackling that was derived in rugby and outlawed in that sport lol
@@kambuibomani231you’ve clearly never played football before. There’s not possible way to make a text book tackle every time if the offensive player has the step on you or your angle is off or they’re simply a stronger player you have no other option than to make this tackle or let them go
@@kambuibomani231explain how to tackle from an angle that would put you behind and ur ball carrier. You can’t grab them and pick them up anymore, you can’t grab him and just go down now, so what are they supposed to do? The next issue will be rolling someone to take them down. If you wrap them up just hold them and hope the whistle blows.
Been waitin for this reaction. Idk they schedule but was wondering what Bates and the RR think. 😂
New show every Wednesday! then they chop it up and upload these typa videos throughout the week
I'm not saying I'm a football wizard but defense is so entertaining to me especially when you can break it down. If You find it boring, I assume you don't know a lot about the game
Exactly I don't need a ton of points just like the NBA.
That's is!
Omm fam, cause look at what they did in the Super Bowl, people was saying the first half was boring but that’s football man, it’s a defensive game
“Defense wins championships”
@@Khylique Personally enjoyed the first half quite a bit.
Didn’t know he was a panthers coach I’m in albemarle nc and unfortunately a super panthers fan
New Job he switched from the Seahawks
As a bears fan I would like to say thank you and that I love you!
@@kervind3886 u suck 🤣😂
@@kervind3886your qb is bout to get a sex change in year 2. We’re good over here
Its too bad he wasnt good enough to get resigned by seattle. At least the worst team in the league will find some use for him.
saying “only 15 people got hurt” is exactly the right thing to say Sweet.
15 out of 230 “hip drop” tackles resulted in injury, that’s 7%. They changed a rule for 7%…that’s WILD!
7% doesn't seem like that much but they have safety precautions for concussions and the number of plays to concussions is less than 1%.
My brain immediately went to Derrick Henry…. Imagine trying to tackle him now, about to be backpacking three dbs to the end zone.
He's over 30 with lots of miles on him........wrap up his legs 😂
When shawty said get out of the way I almost died 😂😂😂😂
Kerby Joseph on the Lions is labeled dirty for having no option but to tackle Higbee low near the knees.
Bruh never been dirty in his life. He a good guy I know him since a jit
@@onyx_might72 Stafford acting blameless for putting Higbee in a a dangerous spot too.
@@theLiquidforce142 he want the offense to be able to play like flag football lol. In the old days QBs knew they had to protect their receivers
That hit got me hyped and I'm not even a lions fan because I knew it was clean and wouldn't be penalized
Every team on defense just sit down when the ball is hiked 😁
see how the points per game average only goes back to 2020 when there was no fans in stands making it easier for offense to do plays. what was the averages all the way back to 2016. also over the past 2 year theres been a ton of qb turn over of vets
15 injuries on 230 plays is a crazy high rate of injury. Way higher than everyone who plays on turf throughout the year. There were serious injuries on 6% of those plays. They're also complaining that they're making every type of tackle illegal; IT WAS ONLY 230 PLAYS THE ENTIRE YEAR. That's not that many! How did those poor defensive players manage to bring the guy down in all the rest of the thousands of plays???? A bunch of whiners
🙂↔️🤬😔At this rate with the rule changes,the NFL is going to take away the BLITZ. MARK MY WORDS
Defenses should just go out on the field and let the offense score every game this season until they change this stupid rule
Facts!
Can you guys dive a little deeper on the missee tackle subject...if im a solid starting linebacker and its consecutive games of missed tackles what are some of the punishment or penalties for missing tackles
Y’all finna be out here playing 2-hand touch 🤦🏾♂️
15/230 is only 6% smh put the flags on
And if you think about it it’s really 460+ because 2 people are involved in a tackle or more
ust like the nba , scoring is exciting and gets more $$, puts ppl in seats & ppl watching so gon make it easier for the offence nd harder for the defence, scoring sells which equals more $$$.. shoot even in soccer nd hockey it’s more scoring cuz it more profit$ ..
If the NFL wants more points scored, then more of their best athletes should be on the offensive side of the ball.For the last 15 years, teams have been putting their best athletes on the front 7 defensive side.Most teams expect rookie QB's to come in playing like Marino instead of developing.
Bates said "Get out his way!"😂😂😂😂
Also that rule change is bull they bring up injuries with tackling but y’all still ignoring the players asking for grass the turf ending careers not tackling
Bates gotta say “No diddy” after that 😂😂😂
My boy Bates in the city now 💪🏿these sorry ass panthers needed some help
might as well play flag football at this point
Former linebacker here, I can’t believe this shit man😭 i don’t even wanna watch football anymore
Put some mannequins out there at this point
"he cant get nobody down" with the southern draw absolutely sent me
Whats gonna end up happening, is theres gonna be an increase in knee injuries. Cuz defenders finna start aiming low. Then its gonna go to flag
But they still ain't doing nothing about that turf...
Never will
they have in some stadiums, but dont think they will because they going point out how injuries happen on grass too...like the greenlaw one in the super bowl
Because injuries are part of the business model
So long with tackling this rule won't last
This is my favorite part of this podcast….yalls honesty. Y’all’s transparency. We are lucky to have yall keepin it 💯. Seriously.
Sweet look like Jprince sr and that throw me off everytime
Defense is at such a wild advantage. They are already having to move backwards and react to what the offense does. Now their natural instincts have to change bc of rules such as this and the roughing the passer shit. It’s gonna be alot of missed tackles and free first downs bc of this.
disadvantage* and yes 100%. There will be a TON of missed tackles that result in huge gains because the defense is going to be left with nothing they can do at certain angles.
That’s what they trynna do man. They turning it into an offensive game, they wanna score points man. It’s boring asf honestly, who wants to just play offense
that’s why we watch football the big hits that’s more exciting then scoring honestly
Lol nfl players whining about tackling......😂
You're professionals, man up. Deal with it. Adapt and overcome.
"Oh we can't use this tackle anymore we'll be limited."....... uhm,you should be able to tackle by the nfl 😂
Offense about to eat ESPECIALLY TE’s Kittle, Andrew’s, Kelce unstoppable now if they get ahead of you
Go watch JESEE TUGGLE highlights.. not ONE hip drop. 1000 tackle.
*whistle*
"Flag on the play. Defense, number 71. Both hands did not engage the carrier. There was no Two Hand Touch on the play. First down."
This new rule and the new kickoff rule is trash 2025 they’ll outlaw tackling low the NFL is getting soft we need Paul Tagliabue back Goodell sucks
like it or not but injuries are a part or football JUST LIKE FIGHTS IN HOCKEY
It was called hip drop from rugby, they outlawed it in their game. You can't have a tackle which is gonna increase the risk of injury. That's what the league is gearing towards too
Running back rules need some changes to be complimentary with this ban
@@Tony-Ravens45 I agree, I don't think a running back should be able to use his head. The most controversial I've heard is getting rid of the stiff arm to even the playing field
Hold up Bates coaching with my Panthers now!?!? Thats whats up...
I don’t like how owners take things away & don’t give a solution or a way to replace what they just banned & I played RB, please explain to me NFL owners how are players supposed to tackle? It’s literally confusing everybody I don’t understand
Derrick Henry on the mind?
Then let's have these position coaches readdress those Fundamentals of Defensive Football And TACKLING.
So where is it that faulty to go back and watch film showcasing those Demons of Defense of Yesteryear?
No 'HipDrop' TACKLING from what I can remember......Butkus. Did he employ those tactics? No! Dick "Night Train" Lane. Ditto.....A Resounding NO! echoes through the Hallowed Halls of Defense.
Position, Position, and even more Position is key otherwise to quote a late and very great Head Coach of yesteryear "its always GRAB, GRAB, GRAB!! doesn't anybody know how to tackle anymore?"
And THAT'S exactly what we the fans have witnessed for awhile now in observation of what's presented as N F L Football in this day and age-the total disappearance of face-up frontal lift n separate the ball carrier from the ball and/or ground in a solid tackle.
It's really not a lack of talent on the field but it sure looks and seems as if there's a lack of essential coaching of the defensive position players in the aspect of field position.
Ravens vs bengals wk11 bring up the tape #55 white boy hurt like 3 people that game off the same tackle..I understand it’s part of the game but some mfs just be doing too much
This wild, next the gonna have a rule about running on the field cuz dude from the 9ers popped his shit going onto the field. 🤦🏾♂️and im not making fun of the dude, but this is how the nfl seems to be reacting to injuries. Fr fr NFL is ruining itself. All these soft rules go back years to if the NFL had taken care of the vets that had these head injuries and dealing with certain things after football, we wouldnt of had lawsuits. Those lawsuits now cause the NFL to try and take precautions to these football plays with these ridiculous rules to try their best to avoid lawsuits in the future. NFL gonna be a flag football league within 10 years fr🤦🏾♂️ These is grown MEN that know what the have been signing up for since they was kids. This isnt new to any of them. LET THEM PLAY REAL FULL CONTACT FOOTBALL🤬
NFL players getting millions and millions, Figure it out and make it work!!!!
Using points per game is misleading. The Raiders did not score against the Vikings. The next week, they scored 63 points against the Chargers.
The “new” ways of tackling only come from eliminating all the other potential ways to tackle somebody, it wasn’t as popular back then because you could lay a mf out 😂
It’s always been a sucker move! I get it but then I don’t. You literally drop your whole body weight on the players leg.
The best you going get is a strain or sprain every time.
Fit up, break down do what you gotta do, but nothing you can say will make this cool lls definitely up there with the horse collar tackle.
3 year starter at SS in HS
3 year starter at RB in College
It’s sucker ish! 🤷🏾♂️
The NFL is definitely been the NO FUN LEAGUE. It has become such a hamstrung game where the league office is taking the excitement out of the overall game. Granted imma an oldhead and they are gonna drive away the core fan! Gonna end up just like NASCAR and dumb down this way too much and lose life long fans such as myself. Hope someone stops this madness soon!
Can’t hit in the head , can’t lead with head , can’t tackles qb low, can’t put body weight on qb , can’t tackle someone who doesn’t see you , can’t slam someone , can’t lunge at someone , can’t block someone that doesn’t see you would you like fries with your order
rugby league banned hip drop tackles for the same reasons, the risk for injury is too high. Speaking as a rugby player, you can still get people down and deliver big hits without using a hip drop tackle, adjust your technique.
Pete Carrol (sp) brought in rugby coaches one year to help the defense adjust how they tackled with rugby style tackling, its possible. At the end of the day, no one wants to see their favourite players injured half way through the season
I do cringe everytime I see it because it just looks like it's gonna hurt. But I also don't see how you take down those bigger players once they get rolling. For example, if Henry or Chubb breaks a big run, how is a saftey or corner supposed to get them down without a hip drop?
Football is not a safe sport it’s the second closes to gladiator sport to fighting sports stop tryna make it safe you ain’t gon be able to even play football if we both goin full speed it’s difficult to shift and change my movement mid play the new rule is bs and I’m for health but it’s FOOTBALL
But the argument against this never add up. Because the people that's arguing keep saying they've never done it or almost never done it. So clearly yall figured a way around it
As a Former Receiver & DB completely understand both arguments yes they are making the game more difficult for defenders and it's not right but also there are ways to properly tackle a man and they teach you that at the simplest levels of the sport they teach angle drills they teach tackling techniques I've been thru them a "Hip Drop" is honestly a man getting dragged by a runner and him dropping all his weight on said runners legs or ankles that just not Kool it may not be on purpose but c'mon bruh I get you tryna get me down but I rather you try make me fumble over you tryn yank me down trying extra hard doing the most
It’s the players fault, they always trying to be victims man. It’s beyond me why they continue to allow ppl who never played the game make rules for them and referee the games it’s dumb as shit like why is that a thing?
Damn they gonna playing catch out there 🤦♂️ but yeah more turf fields ig
Cowboys now have 2 playoff losses that contributed too Rule changes the catch n hip drop!
It’s already at that point but the only way these new rules will work which they won’t is if refs penalize it both ways don’t let ball carriers lock on and drop bucket meaning if they see a defender they can’t load up if they buck the tackle or shake some that’s different but loading up especially on a defender when shedding a tackle should be penalized to and give them a margin where they have to land the stiff arm chest to neck no face or head stiff arms if we going to level the playing field do it all they way and go to college rules since they want to penalize folks for breaking up passes or blowing people up if a receiver lays out and catches the ball once they hit the ground you can’t advance it down is down so DBs don’t have to worry about it
I wouldn’t worry about the hip drop tackle rule. The league said they would rarely call it in game. It will likely result in fines later on though.
I always dislike hearing nfl players do not want to hurt other players, some might truly feel that way but there is some mainly defensive players who whole intentions are to hurt the opposing teams players? Yall think we forgot about bounty gate 😂
They wont call many of these in game. The NFL just put this in to fine more players afterwards and steal their money
You really trippin now. Calling your self Panthers assistant coach Bates
Soon enough they gonna make rules on certain grass and turf stadiums can have now since players tearing ligaments just by running smh football getting soft
They wanna make it impossible to tackle in the interest to protect players but they won’t change from that dangerous ass turf to grass like all the players want. Just make it flag football at this point
then let players trip a running offensive player, down field, since tackling is so dangerous
What's crazy is all the rule changes benefit the offense. When's the last time the league made a rule change in favor of the defense?
Bearhug and plank. Its going to make for some funny highlights
Rugby tackles just fine. Ya'll just weak 😂😂😂😂
Sounds like the NFL needs to invest into Flag Football or something
They gonna bring the flags out next lmao
Hipdrop tackle is made up to eventually destroy the sport
It definitely gives refs more legal wiggle room to influence the outcome of games.
People still will watch these soft as sport this upcoming season smh
There going to use basketball players to play safety 😂
Defenders are going to now get hurt being dragged down the field.
give it another 10 years and itll be flag football
they gone be playn wrap up football in a minute
They should allow soccer style tackling
go for the legs, back or chest. If you tackle by the waist move forward, not down or backyards. That’s how you’ll end up with a flag for hip drop tackle.
Stop
I feel it's the Field almost all is turf
“Well get out his way!!”
Bring the flags out!!!
So they are supposed to let them go
No one is taught how to tackle like that, point blank period.
No, but it happens at game speed. Same with targeting
But the objective is to get the man on the ground. If the ball carrier is streaking toward the end zone and I am within arms reach how would you propose I take him down or should I just let him score late in the game to take the lead🤔
That’s the first way kids tackle. That shit natural.
Play in dirty glad it is gone
As a Titans fan...it's crazy that Derrick Henry is the first person that comes to people's mind. Too bad that the Titans couldn't see the fear that he struck in defenses. Who do we have to scare defenses now???
Plus how many of these hip drop injuries happened on turf?? The NFL might be punishing defenses for refusing to switch to natural grass!
That there was no commensurate adjustment of rules for offensive players (Cut Blocks, allow REAL press-man coverage), the league cannot frame this as player safety ONLY.
Man, the defense needs an extra man on the field OR make a “Pick-6” an automatic 7 points and you still get to kick extra point field goal. Defense needs some type of advantage too.
the nfl gon ban the nfl