Panthers Asst Coach & NFL Vets GO OFF On Deion Sanders Controlling Draft For Travis Hunter & Shedeur

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  • Опубликовано: 27 мар 2024
  • Carolina Panthers assistant coach Daren Bates, NFL veteran cornerback Jalen Collins, former Eagles and Chargers offensive lineman King Dunlap, and 2023-24 Rec League playoff participant and Board Game champ Alex Sweet discuss Colorado Buffalo's head coach Deion Sanders' comments about dictating where Shedeur Sanders and Travis Hunter go in the 2025 NFL Draft. Full Raw Room episode "#202 Blue Zushi" • Raw Room - Ep 202 - Bl...
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  • @juman9696
    @juman9696 2 месяца назад +321

    Are yall forgetting Deion thinks that way because Deion did it. Look it up, he told them where he was wasn’t going to go.

    • @brittoncooper7361
      @brittoncooper7361 2 месяца назад +41

      Yeah true but shaduer isn’t Deion. They don’t care how good Deion was if his sons talent doesn’t remind your of deions talent which it doesn’t his pull his stain will only get him drafted. Not First overall or whichever city he wants. Shaduers talent doesn’t give his father, that sort of leverage to make that call.

    • @iamshyne9636
      @iamshyne9636 2 месяца назад +3

      Deion only told teams he wasn’t coming who had picks after 10… he literally told them “I’m not gonna be on the board that long”…. Big difference in telling teams he’s not coming than telling them I won’t be available

    • @5pazz
      @5pazz 2 месяца назад +47

      @@brittoncooper7361Shedeur is way better than Eli manning was and Archie isn’t in the same stratosphere as Deion as a player lol there’s actually a precedent they exceed

    • @bravefalcahawk7849
      @bravefalcahawk7849 2 месяца назад

      @@5pazzlol u sound dumb af

    • @trippibethea7599
      @trippibethea7599 2 месяца назад +17

      Cause Deion took a play outta Elway's playbook. He had the MLB to fall back on.

  • @takinganewapproachpodcast2994
    @takinganewapproachpodcast2994 2 месяца назад +50

    DB is a hater. Hunter is a dawg. The eye test doesnt lie and he was top recruit coming out and he was going to FSU. So he aint no weak scrub that didnt make D1.

    • @kingralo5954
      @kingralo5954 2 месяца назад +10

      I get what you’re saying but why is someone a hater just cause you don’t agree? Everyone has their own opinion! Why we can’t give constructive criticism without being labeled a hater ?? Y’all young people

    • @takinganewapproachpodcast2994
      @takinganewapproachpodcast2994 2 месяца назад +3

      @@kingralo5954 not young and he was hating. Travis was the top DB out of his class. Dude can ball and he made great plays just watch the tape. He didn't say who was better. Even his own co host agreed travis is like that. He doesn't have to like what deion is saying but what did the other two show not to be in top 4? I agree with you ppl can have a different opinion but he wrote it off like it was him coming out. He wasn't no top 4 for sure. Hell this pod is the only reason I know he exist.

    • @rayshaunedwards6572
      @rayshaunedwards6572 2 месяца назад +1

      @@kingralo5954because history says he’s lying. If he thinks the gm is good with the titans like he says they would give up whatever for a quarterback. And too say a quarterback can’t influence where he wants to go is another lie. Because the team that knows this quarterback wants to go there and the other team knows the package they gonna receive it’s going too happen. Bills could have had Patrick and Josh but they didn’t need a quarterback and made a trade. This is history saying he is hating and lying.

    • @FrugalFa
      @FrugalFa 2 месяца назад +5

      EVERYBODY THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION AS YALL IS NOT A "HATER" YALL KILL ME WITH THAT BS. HE MADE VALID POINTS PEOPLE JUST HAVE THIS BLIND LOVE & LOYALTY TO DEION FOR SOME REASON YALL DEFY LOGIC

    • @Thugofchoc
      @Thugofchoc 2 месяца назад +1

      The eye test also says he can’t play corner in the nfl though

  • @zaydozier
    @zaydozier 2 месяца назад +296

    The white man can say where is son will play but when Deion say it… it’s a problem lol

    • @nagille6731
      @nagille6731 2 месяца назад +17

      White man pay his salary not Deion.

    • @noeldimaggiojr101
      @noeldimaggiojr101 2 месяца назад +44

      @@nagille6731he’s not talking about the team owner who pays the salary.
      he talking about what Archie did with Eli & what John Elway dad did.

    • @1Eashawty
      @1Eashawty 2 месяца назад +11

      @@noeldimaggiojr101they had leverage to do that, shedeur & Travis dont

    • @GooseXIV
      @GooseXIV 2 месяца назад

      White man? All the nfl owners are Jewish. They’re not White. Need to redirect ur issue

    • @MoneymannMJ
      @MoneymannMJ 2 месяца назад +9

      Hell yea why still comparing and doing the race game. Shii it just seem like he only care bout his kids nobody else . I’m more intrigued to see what Deion does once he son leaves

  • @jrelgran1on1
    @jrelgran1on1 2 месяца назад +101

    Disrespecting JSU is wrong. You do know JSU produced a player that was Better than anyone yall ever played with or against.

    • @robberry5065
      @robberry5065 2 месяца назад +6

      Stop it. Be real with yourself

    • @robberry5065
      @robberry5065 2 месяца назад +4

      Who was that player??? Lmao

    • @user-ge2sz1rz3m
      @user-ge2sz1rz3m 2 месяца назад +24

      @@robberry5065 Walter Payton but that was back in the 70s

    • @robberry5065
      @robberry5065 2 месяца назад +5

      Yeah back then. You can make a case for any HOF running back who was on that level of Walter Payton and went to a true D1. Even in today’s game with the RBs now, you can make a case for any top RB rn. . No hate on JSU, NFL scouts ain’t putting up no tape of JSU highlights.

    • @charlesmartin8040
      @charlesmartin8040 2 месяца назад +13

      While at JSU they was putting up the same numbers on defensive players who are now being poached from the SWAC by group of 5 and P5 schools. Lol
      Why throw shade at JSU! Only a few players from large p5 go to league...still why throw the shade....come on mayne

  • @JCapriDaVincifan
    @JCapriDaVincifan 2 месяца назад +14

    Bruh can disagree but he does have hater energy. Wonder how he feeling if somebody brings up his name and somebody else busts out laughing

    • @raw__room
      @raw__room  2 месяца назад +3

      Then I ask you questions about you lol I’m not hurt my guy. It’s an opinion. Accept it or don’t ..I’ll get on yo ass though if that’s what we gon do lol

    • @hithere99100
      @hithere99100 Месяц назад +8

      ​@@raw__roomseems like you got hurt feeling...why all the tough talk about his opinion 😂😂😂

  • @GoodBadCo
    @GoodBadCo 2 месяца назад +24

    Bates got that little job now he can't seem to understand these players and these other host act all scared when he's there

    • @ChristianDoug21
      @ChristianDoug21 2 месяца назад +6

      I noticed that shit bro. They act like they scared to call him out on his bad takes.

  • @victordavis6421
    @victordavis6421 2 месяца назад +109

    Laughing at them going top 4 when no one really knows you for your nfl career is wild 😂

    • @Shifty869
      @Shifty869 2 месяца назад +7

      You don’t know

    • @user-jx3lp8su6v
      @user-jx3lp8su6v 2 месяца назад +14

      Everybody knows Darren Bates 😂

    • @pakONEoh
      @pakONEoh 2 месяца назад +13

      This comment makes zero sense.

    • @juniorbeckham2928
      @juniorbeckham2928 2 месяца назад

      Ya that nigga sounded like a hater

    • @justinterry3524
      @justinterry3524 2 месяца назад

      Insanely wild 😂😂😂 and bring my school in it talking bout he ain’t counting the season with us 😂 ole Daffy Duck hating ass Nicca 😂😂😂

  • @PapaPolo
    @PapaPolo 2 месяца назад +64

    DB hating because his team one of those that’s on the not going to list and feels slighted…also when guys who can’t control their destiny speak on people who can they usually do it in a salty way.

    • @unc54
      @unc54 2 месяца назад

      Did you even listen to Deion's criteria? Charlotte would literally be on his short list of cities because they hardly play cold weather games and the divisional games are in warm weather cities (heck two of them are domes)

  • @duncart
    @duncart 2 месяца назад +86

    You didn’t do any research on their draft stock before talking down. That’s called hate my friend! Jealousy at best.

    • @bigtim3248
      @bigtim3248 2 месяца назад +3

      Still a whole season to play. Fuck a draft stock already

    • @cabemackey1882
      @cabemackey1882 2 месяца назад +6

      What are they jealous of? Besides one their all nfl players… they can talk… we don’t even know if Colorado will win more then 4 games next year

    • @kungfupanda2410
      @kungfupanda2410 2 месяца назад

      Shedur is literally only ranked 1 qb in 2025 bc that qb draft class is beyond weak as of rn. you can't name 1 qb other than shedur coming out next year that has had hype for awhile. Nobody has heard of drew allar unless you watch Penn state. we have heard of Caleb Williams and drake Maye for years of how great they are. shedur didn't come out this year bc he wants to be the number 1 pick. the only way he could do that was wait and go into the weaker qb class. he was at best 4th best qb coming out this year. that's being very generous there are 3 definite qbs better than shedur this draft. Williams, Maye, Daniels. He also ain't better than the top 2 picks from last year either. The shedur hype only comes from his last name and his daddy.

    • @EYE4EYEPRODUCTIONS713
      @EYE4EYEPRODUCTIONS713 2 месяца назад +3

      @@kungfupanda2410 Keep a eye on Quinn Ewers at Texas & also Cam Ward now at Miami..

    • @ThreadAndCircuses1
      @ThreadAndCircuses1 2 месяца назад +5

      Shedeur is a preseason top 10 pick the same way Spencer Rattler, Sam Howell, and Malik Willis were in every single way too early mock draft top 10. He's played like a 2nd/3rd rounder at best so far. But elite marketing has people thinking he's the #1 pick.

  • @deejrakim
    @deejrakim 2 месяца назад +30

    Devonte Smith was 160 at Alabama and he won the Heisman.

    • @justinterry3524
      @justinterry3524 2 месяца назад +2

      He didn’t go to an hbcu so he’s exempt from this kind of hate 🙄😂

    • @nathanielparrish5436
      @nathanielparrish5436 Месяц назад

      The difference is Travis never even been a Heisman watch list can’t compare the 2 smitty different

    • @greytaylor7065
      @greytaylor7065 Месяц назад +1

      The difference is that Devonta Smith played on championship team with a muti championship winning coach. No comparison to this situation whatsoever!!!😮😢😂

  • @mca217
    @mca217 2 месяца назад +39

    My problem is that we've NEVER heard Shedeur, Shilo, and Travis make these statements.

    • @VanBoutDat
      @VanBoutDat 2 месяца назад +14

      You mean Sheduer? Shilo will be a day 3 pick, he has no room to speak on where to go

    • @kingmunchtv
      @kingmunchtv 2 месяца назад

      They trust prime more then they trust others he has been right thus far

    • @gobucs7870
      @gobucs7870 2 месяца назад

      Why would you have a problem if they don't..

    • @SackchaseWop
      @SackchaseWop 2 месяца назад +1

      That’s good that they never said nothing 😂😂😂😂 that shi would mess up the whole draft stock 😂

    • @mariqstigler2197
      @mariqstigler2197 2 месяца назад

      Uhh yes, constantly on social media. Fuck you talking bout

  • @darone84
    @darone84 2 месяца назад +97

    So Jackson stats don’t count? Once he said that I already knew this was going to be a bias take

    • @victordavis6421
      @victordavis6421 2 месяца назад +7

      He just guy who had a failed nfl Career so he hates

    • @dereckclay1408
      @dereckclay1408 2 месяца назад +4

      Facts bro hbcu guys can play smh 🤦🏿 definitely a bias takes

    • @lowery27
      @lowery27 2 месяца назад +4

      No jsu stats do not count! Are you smoking dust? Do your high school stats count when being evaluated by pro scouts? No matter what you think pro scouts are not even gonna look at his hbcu numbers get real.

    • @lowery27
      @lowery27 2 месяца назад

      @@dereckclay1408they can play against who? What would happen if grambling state played Alabama? What would happen if southern u played ole miss. You sound dumb 😭🫵🏾 hbcu cannot compete or those players would’ve been gone to a division 1 big program. Stop acting dumb. You’re talking nonsense right now

    • @DJVonDutch1
      @DJVonDutch1 2 месяца назад +1

      @@lowery27Plenty of NFL players even Hall of Famers have come from HBCU’s, do their stats not count?

  • @desmonddavis3422
    @desmonddavis3422 2 месяца назад +87

    Bates got a job with the nfl now all he talking about is nfl meetings like ppl who just getting money calling ppl broke lol

    • @KickDoeLock
      @KickDoeLock 2 месяца назад +9

      It’s raw room. It’s daily hood perspective of sports. It’s raw.

    • @lamadesurvivor5216
      @lamadesurvivor5216 2 месяца назад +11

      lol you realize as a player it’s your “job” NFL has been his job for a long time. He’s just doing it from the other side. You acting like he not validated to say what he’s saying…

    • @desmonddavis3422
      @desmonddavis3422 2 месяца назад +12

      @@lamadesurvivor5216 1st off he hasn't been doing it for that long and 2nd off when you basically tell someone they don't know what they are talking about cuz they are not in the meetings when you wasn't talking like that before you got these 2 jobs is clear to me.

    • @lamadesurvivor5216
      @lamadesurvivor5216 2 месяца назад +1

      @@desmonddavis3422I guess that disproves my point 👍🏾 ironically you’re speaking as if your opinion is to be validated. You haven’t done it EVER. It he can’t cus “he ain’t done it that long” got it

    • @daytonwoodford4386
      @daytonwoodford4386 2 месяца назад

      He’s a ass-istant

  • @Dosa7777
    @Dosa7777 2 месяца назад +10

    Damn it be your own people😧

  • @6lackalanwatts916
    @6lackalanwatts916 2 месяца назад +31

    y’all gotta clip that DB laugh 😂😂😂

  • @dbanga5
    @dbanga5 2 месяца назад +50

    Damn bro became a assistant special teams coach an know everything now

    • @StupidG_TV
      @StupidG_TV 2 месяца назад +4

      😂😂😂

    • @Readytobeready88
      @Readytobeready88 2 месяца назад

      😂

    • @peterdurham5482
      @peterdurham5482 2 месяца назад +1

      I see how the Panthers treat their QBs... Wasted Cams career with no real targets to throw to... 😒

  • @lindseyadams5339
    @lindseyadams5339 2 месяца назад +28

    Man it's crazy how JSU is just dismissed. The best WR and RB that ever played in the NFL are form the SWAC not too mention many other greats and HOF players. Clown!

    • @sora4440
      @sora4440 2 месяца назад +4

      Yea back when all the black athletes played at HBCUs. You can't name a HoF player from JSU past the 90s...

    • @lilcourtny08
      @lilcourtny08 2 месяца назад

      Barry Sanders is better than walter payton stop the cap. Who cares about them old washed up has beens. The best Qb never came out thr Swac. Name someone relevant from the swac the last 15 years

    • @YaItsJP
      @YaItsJP 2 месяца назад

      @@sora4440 doesn't matter cause there's still great talent at those schools

    • @Peppy869
      @Peppy869 2 месяца назад +1

      @@YaItsJPnot really. Some athletic. But not that good.

    • @YaItsJP
      @YaItsJP 2 месяца назад +1

      @@Peppy869 The same can be said about Power 5 schools. The point is there's always hidden talent at all levels. You can't dismiss it

  • @billycrenshaw6606
    @billycrenshaw6606 2 месяца назад +76

    All Haters kno wen they Hating. They say it..
    Hater Hurter

  • @robertmitchell4512
    @robertmitchell4512 2 месяца назад +38

    Bates didn’t say anything about John Elway, Bo Jackson, or Eli Manning 🤔

    • @jaredbrown1148
      @jaredbrown1148 2 месяца назад +1

      EXACTLY 💯

    • @1Eashawty
      @1Eashawty 2 месяца назад +2

      John Elway & Bo had leverage cause they could go play baseball. Eli had a nfl qb father & a nfl qb brother that was a #1 overall pick & was coming off a mvp season. They thought eli could be as good as his brother

    • @RobChapala
      @RobChapala 2 месяца назад +3

      Eli won 2 super bowls. Bo is the best player ever. Elway is top tier qb. The sanders boys aren't in the same discussion.

    • @TheTaekwon3
      @TheTaekwon3 2 месяца назад

      ​@@RobChapalathey are money

    • @PandasRViolent
      @PandasRViolent 2 месяца назад +1

      @@RobChapala Your argument makes zero sense. No one knew Eli was going to win 2 superbowls prior to getting drafted, he also is one of the most debated future hall of famers their currently is. Bo is so overrated it's not even funny. Deion speaks for Travis who will go in the top 5 and his actual son will go in the Top 10 if he has good season. he has just as much right as the former guys do

  • @aking2330
    @aking2330 2 месяца назад +40

    I didn't hear nothing like this when Eli and his family did it, Elway or any other guy did it. Bates definitely hating on this

    • @wishanikkawould
      @wishanikkawould 2 месяца назад +1

      Facts.

    • @2KGrind09
      @2KGrind09 2 месяца назад +4

      Internet wasn't like it is now

    • @oaktree1626
      @oaktree1626 2 месяца назад

      No podcasts back then

    • @unc54
      @unc54 2 месяца назад +2

      Are you trying to convince us you're 50 because that's the only way you'd have been alive and cognizant to know the reaction at the time

    • @danieljames654
      @danieljames654 2 месяца назад

      Bates didn't get drafted so he can't talk

  • @devan1715
    @devan1715 2 месяца назад +21

    I guess he in Colorado for fun lol😂😂😂😂

  • @alleneggleston2096
    @alleneggleston2096 2 месяца назад +31

    He wrong bout Sheduer

  • @natsfan100
    @natsfan100 2 месяца назад +5

    Archie Manning was 100% right. Chargers have had at QB HOFer Dan Fouts his whole 15 year career, 5 years of almost certain HOFer Drew Brees, 16 years of possible HOFer Philip Rivers, 4 years of one of the best young QBs in the league right now in Herbert, and have zero to show for it. Bears have never had a 4,000 yard passer and have a SB win. Absolute waste of a QBs career to go to the Chargers, terrible run organization.

  • @deront2083
    @deront2083 2 месяца назад +5

    Cromartie played 20 games at FSU and missed his entire Jr season and was pick 19th. Travis will Def be top 5 if he plays all games this coming season. He will also win the Heisman.

  • @cameronpitchford9804
    @cameronpitchford9804 2 месяца назад +5

    stats or not Travis hunter was the number 1 player in his class for a reason

  • @brucecoleman6917
    @brucecoleman6917 2 месяца назад +91

    Dude going to be the best qb in the draft next year y’all tripping. Dude had 27 tds and 3 picks no line

    • @Roadrunner0077
      @Roadrunner0077 2 месяца назад +15

      He was the 5th best QB in the PAC 12

    • @XMON888
      @XMON888 2 месяца назад +7

      @@Roadrunner0077and what did those teams do? Nothing

    • @Roadrunner0077
      @Roadrunner0077 2 месяца назад +10

      @@XMON888 won more then 4 games and one of em made the championship game son

    • @sirchantce4772
      @sirchantce4772 2 месяца назад +2

      @@Roadrunner0077damn they won more than 4 games made it to the championship game and lost , talking about programs that have consistently done good . Let’s see if it’s the same next year

    • @Roadrunner0077
      @Roadrunner0077 2 месяца назад

      @@sirchantce4772 let's see

  • @teddymccall1
    @teddymccall1 Месяц назад +2

    1) Prime said he's talked with GMs already before he made his statement. 2) Disrespecting HBCU football is crazy when white D2 players are in the league.

  • @joshthewriter3724
    @joshthewriter3724 2 месяца назад +41

    I know Shilo never gets mentioned but I think his stock going to rise even more this season

    • @4thMoore
      @4thMoore 2 месяца назад +3

      sorry but Josh, unless he actually works on his coverage and play-making skills he will always be referred to as Deion’s other son unfortunately

    • @joshthewriter3724
      @joshthewriter3724 2 месяца назад +12

      @@4thMoore he doesn’t make many mistakes in coverage if you watch the tape and know scheme they are running

    • @OpinionsOnly979
      @OpinionsOnly979 2 месяца назад +3

      @@joshthewriter3724and he is an elite tackler.. that alone will get him in the door

    • @lordlightskin4200
      @lordlightskin4200 2 месяца назад

      @@4thMooreyou just hating and don’t know ball he arguably better than his brother shilo be hooping

    • @5pazz
      @5pazz 2 месяца назад +3

      @@4thMoorehis tackling and ability to play in the box alone will get him drafted. Everybody going to 4-2-5 schemes.. need a box Saftey

  • @user-ww2nz4eu5y
    @user-ww2nz4eu5y 2 месяца назад +50

    I'll never look at these fools again.

    • @CoreyGreen214
      @CoreyGreen214 2 месяца назад +11

      I feel the same way

    • @sirenejohnson6668
      @sirenejohnson6668 2 месяца назад +11

      Ditto! Absolutely personal hate and ridiculous!

    • @juandufree4309
      @juandufree4309 2 месяца назад

      Lmfao get your blanket and go cry cause he doesn’t agree with you…soft ahhh 💀

    • @Ghostfacelou
      @Ghostfacelou 2 месяца назад +4

      You emotional lmfao

    • @antwan6744
      @antwan6744 2 месяца назад +3

      People can't even have an opinion no more, everyone ain't a hater

  • @fireestyle
    @fireestyle 2 месяца назад +17

    if hunter stays healthy he will for sure be a top 5 pick lol.

  • @user-zp1pm8yc1r
    @user-zp1pm8yc1r 2 месяца назад +2

    I’m sorry but Shedeur is definitely a top 5 prospect, he had a terrible oline n still put up some great number. He does the hard things that you need a QB to do we just didn’t see his full potential this year because of the line but he went toe to toe with almost every QB he played despite running for his life every down

  • @davuhn2
    @davuhn2 2 месяца назад +37

    Man listen, Deion didn’t say that cuz he guessing. He been talking to people.

    • @mossimotiberi5741
      @mossimotiberi5741 2 месяца назад +9

      Cause you know right? Dumbasd

    • @ahouston3202
      @ahouston3202 2 месяца назад

      ​@mossimotiberi5741 because Coach Prime told us! He listed all the owners he keeps in contact with....including The Commish RG who's nephew played for him at JSU, dumba$$

    • @davuhn2
      @davuhn2 2 месяца назад +5

      @@mossimotiberi5741 you know otherwise? I’ll wait for that evidence

    • @davuhn2
      @davuhn2 2 месяца назад

      @@mossimotiberi5741 ironic how you can’t even spell dumbass

    • @VanBoutDat
      @VanBoutDat 2 месяца назад +3

      @@davuhn2where is your evidence? You really think the ppl Deion is talking to is saying “hey Travis and Shedeur can go to any they want”. 😂😂

  • @Brilliant_creole
    @Brilliant_creole 2 месяца назад +21

    These dudes just yappin none of them was first rounders

  • @victordavis6421
    @victordavis6421 2 месяца назад +19

    He acts like he’s in EVERY meeting. He’s in one nfl teams meeting as a towel boy 😂

    • @Tenthsky7
      @Tenthsky7 2 месяца назад

      😂😂😂🤦🏽‍♂️

  • @richardmartin9361
    @richardmartin9361 2 месяца назад +9

    Hunter top 5

    • @1Eashawty
      @1Eashawty 2 месяца назад

      Not really bruh

    • @YS-kb9nc
      @YS-kb9nc 2 месяца назад

      No

    • @Jaywon977
      @Jaywon977 Месяц назад

      He #1

    • @1Eashawty
      @1Eashawty Месяц назад

      @@Jaywon977 he not, he not the best cb or the best wr in his draft class

  • @shaiwalters6179
    @shaiwalters6179 2 месяца назад +4

    Saying a scout has more pull than Deion is crazy 😂

    • @shaiwalters6179
      @shaiwalters6179 2 месяца назад

      That’s the only thing I disagree with 😂

  • @boblansonfig3972
    @boblansonfig3972 2 месяца назад +4

    Context matters , sheduer put up this numbers with the worst offensive line statistically in college football . On top of that you talking about players who in the 2024 draft nor the 2025. Sheduer will have way more leverage it’s not rocket science Daren

  • @drankvangundy8127
    @drankvangundy8127 2 месяца назад +5

    Travis not 5’11 6ft🤣🤣 clowning

  • @rjjefferson2646
    @rjjefferson2646 2 месяца назад +52

    You look like u hating bruh

    • @Lionsandtruth
      @Lionsandtruth 2 месяца назад +1

      Telling the truth not hating

    • @rjjefferson2646
      @rjjefferson2646 2 месяца назад +1

      These dudes hating. Shedeur and Travis are top 5 picks easy. I’m not even about to argue about that. Just watch the games.

    • @Lionsandtruth
      @Lionsandtruth 2 месяца назад

      @@rjjefferson2646 Based on last season they aren’t top 5 picks as last year turned out to be a circus n a disaster. Both have a lot to prove on that field to earn lottery selection my man. Shedeur n Travis are talented, it will have to show on the field next season.

    • @rjjefferson2646
      @rjjefferson2646 2 месяца назад

      @@Lionsandtruth definitely I think this season they’ll ball out with the new o-line….and lajohntay wester is gonna open that offense up dat boy da truth he remind me of A.B mixed wit a lil Stefon Diggs lol

    • @Lionsandtruth
      @Lionsandtruth 2 месяца назад +1

      @@rjjefferson2646 I mean you speaking on what you “think” but the reality is CU has alot to prove, Shedeur n Travis have to prove they are top 5 picks because so far that has not happened. So once again telling the truth ain’t hating.

  • @justcameron6805
    @justcameron6805 2 месяца назад +10

    Why everyone in the comments so upset 😭

    • @nvmm166
      @nvmm166 19 дней назад

      Cause they think they know more about football then someone’s who’s only job as an adult has been playing football or coaching lmaooooo. It Bates don’t know about football then no one in the comments knows anything either lmaoooo

  • @TheRealTsims
    @TheRealTsims 2 месяца назад +8

    A first ballot Hall of Famer and the greatest cornerback in the history of the game
    A man that worked directly for the NFL Network for years
    14 years in the NFL
    Has no pull in the league…
    Alright man lol

    • @lowery27
      @lowery27 2 месяца назад

      Why would shedeur silver spoon ass need pull from his daddy to get him drafted? Why can’t he get drafted on his own merit in the first place? Also what Deion sanders accomplished don’t matter regarding his sons nfl production.

  • @TheRealTsims
    @TheRealTsims 2 месяца назад +6

    I can’t allow bates to do that Travis Hunter is definitely 6’1 probably closer to 6’2
    He’s not a short guy

    • @Ghostfacelou
      @Ghostfacelou 2 месяца назад +2

      Yea he was tripping on that, he got long ass arms too

    • @Lionsandtruth
      @Lionsandtruth 2 месяца назад

      It won’t surprise anyone if his draft measurables turn out to be close to 5’11-6’0. Decent size but we all know Travis got some weight to put on.

    • @Ghostfacelou
      @Ghostfacelou 2 месяца назад

      ⁠@@Lionsandtruthlmfao this is literally no debate, I’ve seen bro in person he’s closer to 6’2 at that was before he got to jsu.

    • @Lionsandtruth
      @Lionsandtruth 2 месяца назад +1

      @@Ghostfacelou I’m 6’3” I’ve saw him multiple times n he’s no where near close to my height but I will say the freshman Cormani McClain is undoubtedly 6’3”.

    • @Ghostfacelou
      @Ghostfacelou 2 месяца назад +1

      @@Lionsandtruth cap but whatever makes you feel good lol

  • @bigdubt2003
    @bigdubt2003 2 месяца назад +11

    New time old niccas.

  • @btuda88
    @btuda88 2 месяца назад +4

    To be fair none of y’all was ever in the position to control your draft position 🤷🏾‍♂️ y’all just as clueless as the average fan on this subject lol!

  • @2010toocool
    @2010toocool 2 месяца назад +16

    They tripping! Deion a HOF … He will forever have pull!

    • @shweed1447
      @shweed1447 2 месяца назад

      Not for teams he didn’t play for why would teams like the patriots listen to Deion?

    • @KevonDaDon
      @KevonDaDon 2 месяца назад

      @@shweed1447bad example Kraft fw Deion

    • @playamadetx5279
      @playamadetx5279 2 месяца назад

      @@KevonDaDonhow you know 😂😂😂

    • @2010toocool
      @2010toocool 2 месяца назад

      Who said the patriots going to be in the running! It’s cold there too!

  • @dmv_doll
    @dmv_doll 2 месяца назад +4

    I'm not going to call DB a hater.
    They may play games in cold states, but where will they practice? Where will they live during the season? Stop the madness, u know what he was talking abt.
    2nd...since when dont HBCU games count? This commentary is why they're under funded now.
    Im not going to debate stats and maybe Deion doesn't have the pull he portrays, but I KNOW Financials.
    They both will be high picks! If nothing else...the NFL loves money. And Deion knows media (he does have sports shows talking abt CU and his players during off season about a draft thats a year away after a losing season lmao).
    The amount of eyeballs the last names of Sanders and Hunter (Eventually Seaton) will bring to a team when they're drafted will be substantial.
    CU went 4-8 and Shedeur had the 2nd best selling jersey in all of college sports...only behind Caitlin Clark. Shilo and Shedeur had a Google national TV commercial, KFC and Wendy's among other paid partnerships.
    They have talent, built-in fan base and media deals.
    Hell if Taylor Swift enters the draft she going #1.

  • @taradurgans5077
    @taradurgans5077 2 месяца назад +2

    Coach Bates I appreciate your candor but NEVER underestimate the steady growth of our Brother’s and Sister’s …
    However, it’s the OWNERS that really make the real decisions… regardless of the meetings you’re in…. I speak from being on the REAL INSIDE, BROTHERS
    Game $$$$ knows and recognizes game 💙💛 Money always talks… look at why the NFL Players Association still lacks enduring healthcare and other tangible considerations compared to the other professional leagues 😢

  • @johnjacobs6862
    @johnjacobs6862 2 месяца назад +3

    Bates 🤣😂🤣! Gotta do more scouting. Not even D riding that hunter KID IS SPECIAL!! And he is 6ft 180-185 will definitely be around 190 this time next year for draft! He gotta go watch this man highlights it’s insane how he going both ways

  • @chadcunningham881
    @chadcunningham881 2 месяца назад +8

    NFL turn yall into bootlickers 🤦🏽‍♂️ I’m glad I have a doctorate.

    • @KWillo
      @KWillo 2 месяца назад +1

      Those NFL checks will do that to ya'.😂

    • @Lionsandtruth
      @Lionsandtruth 2 месяца назад

      Telling the truth doesn’t make anyone “bootlickers”. Shedeur n Travis are unproven in power 5 football, there’s alot of questions they’ll have to answer on the field next year.

    • @cooper6sports
      @cooper6sports Месяц назад

      Preach

  • @Bankroll98
    @Bankroll98 2 месяца назад +4

    I never heard of yall bums😂😂😂 plus who will listen to anybody who associated with PANTHERS! Even if you exclude the games from JSU he played BETTER at CU

  • @GoldMoufP
    @GoldMoufP 2 месяца назад +1

    Deon tryna do his best Lavar Ball impersonation 😂

  • @Phatdaddy215
    @Phatdaddy215 2 месяца назад +5

    He for sure hatin 😂 shaduer was mocked too 100 early in the year a good season n he could be one of the top qbs

  • @marzvango
    @marzvango 2 месяца назад +4

    Feel like Jalen can’t be all the way himself around Bates his Ego sucks the air out the room a lot and he don’t even recognize it he so self absorbed can’t see how u make your real manz uncomfortable to speak cus you try to talk over or shoot what he saying down smh reason I stop watching as much

  • @TheIkeman74
    @TheIkeman74 2 месяца назад +3

    I’d love to know the collective iq of this panel 🤦🏽‍♂️

  • @henryscott123
    @henryscott123 2 месяца назад +3

    Look at his production in only 8 games…..

  • @CoachKaay2
    @CoachKaay2 2 месяца назад +4

    If Loud and Wrong was a Person look no further than Bates…we will come back to this in a Year lol

  • @naimladson3977
    @naimladson3977 2 месяца назад +26

    He’s definitely at least 6’1

    • @thegirlsclub24
      @thegirlsclub24 2 месяца назад +14

      And he just weighed in at 189, working his way up to 200. His strength coaches that work with him in real life have said this.

    • @desmundlighten3603
      @desmundlighten3603 2 месяца назад +7

      Yeah I don’t know what dude talking about he clearly over 6 foot.

    • @jarvisharris31
      @jarvisharris31 2 месяца назад +1

      Agreed I was at a cam newton 707 Camp when Travis Hunter was in high school, I walked up on him had a chance to listen to him speak and he’s definitely 6’1 I’m 6 foot and he was taller

    • @dos2461
      @dos2461 2 месяца назад

      Hell he might be 6’3. Buddy ain’t short

    • @ThreadAndCircuses1
      @ThreadAndCircuses1 2 месяца назад

      You don't work your way up to 200lbs like that going into year 3 in college. People don't understand 90% of people undergoing massive weight gains lose athleticism.@@thegirlsclub24

  • @yungembassy90
    @yungembassy90 2 месяца назад +13

    Bates is completely wrong on trav lol he already has a better career than bates

  • @reggiep6471
    @reggiep6471 2 месяца назад +2

    These dudes don’t know squat. You don’t have to know anyone in any organization when you have the right to say I will not sign with this team. Is it smart to do so publicly let alone during a draft process that your players are not in, separate conversation.

  • @kaekae1782
    @kaekae1782 2 месяца назад +8

    Lonzo was already projected to be the #1 pick lol

    • @Lionsandtruth
      @Lionsandtruth 2 месяца назад

      Yea idk where he got that foolishness from. Lonzo freshman year was dynamic n it had been a long time since college saw a legit 6’6” true point that does everything. Shedeur n Travis have a lot of question marks going into this year as they are unproven thus far.

  • @jaysenreidny69
    @jaysenreidny69 2 месяца назад +5

    They not taking it into consideration how bad the offensive line was, and the playcalling from the offensive coordinator. His son still did a great job there even with a fractured back. How dare you say erase what he did to JSU as well.
    I got cash app. Wanna make a bet??

    • @playamadetx5279
      @playamadetx5279 2 месяца назад +2

      The offense was geared for sheduer to put up crazy numbers . They sacrificed wins for sheduer stats

    • @thomasberrymanll4595
      @thomasberrymanll4595 2 месяца назад

      @@playamadetx5279???? They sacrificed for his stats????? How sway, that O-Line was terrible.

    • @playamadetx5279
      @playamadetx5279 2 месяца назад +1

      @@thomasberrymanll4595 so drop back and try to complete 20 yard passes with a terrible oline ??? You rather be in 2nd 9 tryna run the ball or 2nd and 17 tryna pass the ball ? . Come out in 5 wide at that ? They chose 2nd and 17 on top of him holding the ball forever .

  • @desmundlighten3603
    @desmundlighten3603 2 месяца назад +4

    These dudes sound ridiculous at times.

  • @melissawilliams6324
    @melissawilliams6324 2 месяца назад +2

    Seem to me alot of people hating. Always black people hating on black people

  • @lamonkincade7152
    @lamonkincade7152 2 месяца назад

    Do players like receivers express to the gm which quarterback(starter to practice squad) they would like to play with?

  • @dj-vb9dm
    @dj-vb9dm 2 месяца назад +6

    Yall missing the point. Colorado on ESPN more than the draft.

    • @FrankGallagher1700
      @FrankGallagher1700 2 месяца назад +5

      That’s because the draft is once a year wtf u talking about lol

    • @BMAC874
      @BMAC874 2 месяца назад

      @@FrankGallagher1700😂😂😂

    • @ThreadAndCircuses1
      @ThreadAndCircuses1 2 месяца назад

      You're talking to morons, these are the same people who would have followed Jim Jones.@@FrankGallagher1700

    • @dj-vb9dm
      @dj-vb9dm 2 месяца назад

      @@FrankGallagher1700 you still missing the point nobody gives a fuck about the draft ESPN is talking about sorry ass Colorado every week prime knows what he’s doing and I’m not even a fan

  • @johnravens9869
    @johnravens9869 2 месяца назад +4

    Sheduer a good Qb period

  • @BlacknGoldnRed
    @BlacknGoldnRed 2 месяца назад +2

    A whole group of dudes hating on Deion Sanders and his son. This is weak.

  • @boblansonfig3972
    @boblansonfig3972 2 месяца назад +2

    It’s not cap bro , Travis is definitely 6foot /6foot 1 what are you talking about lol bro just be yappin

  • @GMCworldwide1979
    @GMCworldwide1979 2 месяца назад +11

    What is Sauce Gardner weight?
    Hunter will be just fine

    • @steveee_
      @steveee_ 2 месяца назад

      first guy i thought about 😂😂 stingley ? he reminds me a lot of denzel ward and he ain’t even 6 feet. this is hate sorry.

    • @Thugofchoc
      @Thugofchoc 2 месяца назад +1

      @@steveee_Denzel ward ran a 4.32. Stingley ran a 4.38. Travis likely won’t even break 4.4. You can’t be small and not have top end speed

    • @steveee_
      @steveee_ 2 месяца назад

      @@Thugofchoc you realize that 4.4 and at worst a 4.8 is one second off😭. he’s also taller bc by db metrics ward ain’t 5’11

    • @Lionsandtruth
      @Lionsandtruth 2 месяца назад

      @@steveee_Denzel Ward combine height is 5’10 7/8 so we’ll say 5’11” weighing 183lbs, running a 4.3 with a 40” vertical, broad jump 11’ n did 16 reps on the bench. Travis has a similar build n eerily similar athletic ability…what separates them is the speed n strength of Ward.

    • @Lionsandtruth
      @Lionsandtruth 2 месяца назад

      Sauce is a legit 6’3”, Travis is no where near Sauce height

  • @XMON888
    @XMON888 2 месяца назад +16

    27 TD 3 INT..ya gotta stop basing it off W-L none of them Pac 12 teams did shit. UW got smacked in the chip. And them Ducks got fried crispy!

    • @2KGrind09
      @2KGrind09 2 месяца назад +5

      Saying the other teams didn't do anything iz wild because CU loss to damn near all of em 😅

    • @1Eashawty
      @1Eashawty 2 месяца назад +2

      Shedeur was the 5th best qb in the conference, Colorado was the worst team in the conference

    • @KevonDaDon
      @KevonDaDon 2 месяца назад +3

      @@1Eashawty3rd best at worst Bo Nix is not better than Sheduer, Penix isn’t either but I’ll give you Penix only QB that was clearly better was Caleb

    • @1Eashawty
      @1Eashawty 2 месяца назад

      @@KevonDaDon Caleb nix & penix were clearly better than shedeur & u could make an argument that ward & fifita were better than him too. & that’s wit Utah qb missing the whole season cause he woulda been better than shedeur too

    • @KevonDaDon
      @KevonDaDon 2 месяца назад +1

      @@1Eashawty clearly had better teams you mean Penix and Nix doesn’t do anything better than him even the things that they should be better at due to experience. They had better coaching and schemes also

  • @Jay-ne2ux
    @Jay-ne2ux Месяц назад +1

    How the hell you gone exclude a whole season just because you want too 😭

    • @raw__room
      @raw__room  Месяц назад +1

      Erased from memory 🤣

  • @benchase5797
    @benchase5797 2 месяца назад +1

    I live in Boulder and have met Travis a few times. He’s every bit of 6’1” and 185. He’s not a small kid

  • @JGLFootball
    @JGLFootball 2 месяца назад +27

    Shedeur is going to be by far the best qb in next years draft he’ll have his pick of teams forsure😂

    • @jusdoitdb8741
      @jusdoitdb8741 2 месяца назад

      that’s iffy there’s a whole bunch of qb talent nxt yr just because he the biggest name doesn’t mean he the best you got guys like will howard, carson beck ,quinn ewers conner weigman coming out next yr shedeur great but your overvaluing pure name value over talent

    • @JGLFootball
      @JGLFootball 2 месяца назад +4

      @@jusdoitdb8741 have you watched will Howard or Quinn Ewers? They are both good prospects but neither are anywhere near as consistent as Shedeur. His only remote competition will be Beck but Shedeur has so many more better intangibles than Beck it will be like picking Jayden Daniel’s over Drake Maye

    • @unc54
      @unc54 2 месяца назад

      @@JGLFootball Saying Daniels is an easy choice over Maye is wild

    • @JGLFootball
      @JGLFootball 2 месяца назад

      @@unc54 I’m not saying he is. I honestly think Maye is better but I’m using it as an example to show that when two QBs are similar in all around ability and one has the ability to run a lot better than the other the NFL execs are going to go with the runner

    • @lowery27
      @lowery27 2 месяца назад

      @@JGLFootballconsistent as shedeur? Did you watch his games vs asu ucla Oregon?

  • @jaymackkutz2226
    @jaymackkutz2226 2 месяца назад +4

    Sound like a hater

  • @Actlikemjsmith
    @Actlikemjsmith 2 месяца назад +1

    Bruh Shadeur and Travis absolutely can go Top 5. I never thought yall would be this out of touch lol

  • @Isaiahhh2x
    @Isaiahhh2x 2 месяца назад +1

    Bates hating like crazy 😂 if Shedeur came out this year he would be a top 4 pick 💯

  • @kinslow828
    @kinslow828 2 месяца назад +6

    Mitch trubisky got a first round draft pick after a year lol

    • @kingralo5954
      @kingralo5954 2 месяца назад

      And how he do?

    • @KevonDaDon
      @KevonDaDon 2 месяца назад +3

      @@kingralo5954point is a way worst prospect than Sheduer and he went first round

    • @kingralo5954
      @kingralo5954 2 месяца назад

      @@KevonDaDon how many first rounders dint pan out? How many first rounds grades are given! Also how many say no I’m not going to this franchise

    • @KevonDaDon
      @KevonDaDon 2 месяца назад

      @@kingralo5954 How many niggas Daddy Archie Manning and Deion Sanders ?

  • @aiconic10
    @aiconic10 2 месяца назад +17

    Jason has not been paying attention nor following this scenario at CU. If he were he wouldn't be making foolish statements.

    • @franktruth6322
      @franktruth6322 2 месяца назад

      Tbh…. They n the team have been garbage. Hype in the beginning but they are super mediocre even against wack competition. Ijs

    • @Lionsandtruth
      @Lionsandtruth 2 месяца назад

      America undoubtedly has been paying attention n last year at CU it became a circus n a disaster after 3 games.

    • @wockcup38
      @wockcup38 2 месяца назад +1

      i think all of america was paying attention to cu last year haha

  • @shortyswd07
    @shortyswd07 Месяц назад +1

    One thing a mf gon do when they in the building is act like they have all the facts/details from all over.....TRUST ME ON THAT!!!! 🤣

  • @abide33
    @abide33 Месяц назад +1

    Eyeballing someone’s height and weight isn’t easy. My son is a HS freshman and he is 5’9” 185-190 but he doesn’t look like he weighs that much, at least not to me lol. He plays RB/ LB and hearing he is similar in size to college kids is wild

  • @Major_dk
    @Major_dk 2 месяца назад +7

    Deion was drafted before DB was born and he is in the HOF. I get what he is saying about the pressure but that come with it.
    Does DB really think he only knows 3 people in the league??

  • @Kicks_n_comics
    @Kicks_n_comics 2 месяца назад +24

    What yall laughing for. Shedeur was a top 5 pick this year if he came out on everyone’s mock board

    • @Intheclutch20
      @Intheclutch20 2 месяца назад +1

      Big facts tf Shedeur going 1st

    • @donwashington8764
      @donwashington8764 2 месяца назад +7

      No the fuck he wasn’t … Lol

    • @ricoransom2001
      @ricoransom2001 2 месяца назад

      Shadeur is not lmao.. only one going top 5 is Travis

    • @Kicks_n_comics
      @Kicks_n_comics 2 месяца назад

      @@donwashington8764 come on man google don’t hurt nobody

    • @kaekae1782
      @kaekae1782 2 месяца назад +1

      No he wasn’t. Once they started losing and the hype died down he wasn’t on those lists at all.

  • @LonghornsLegend
    @LonghornsLegend 2 месяца назад +1

    Travis Hunter is the easiest top 5 pick projection I've ever seen 😅

  • @ReaperZoo
    @ReaperZoo 2 месяца назад +2

    bates my guy but it seem like jealously on this take my boy. downplayin hunter is crazy work. look at shedeur stats while seeing how his OL was horrible lol

  • @metroblac8315
    @metroblac8315 2 месяца назад +3

    Sound like bro mad he ain got it like them or prime... it's a new day we call our shots

    • @raw__room
      @raw__room  2 месяца назад +1

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @HappyGrouch
    @HappyGrouch 2 месяца назад +10

    *5 owners said they will pick Trav or Shedure first no matter what kind of season they have. Jerry Jones said he's taking whoever is available*

    • @FrankGallagher1700
      @FrankGallagher1700 2 месяца назад +5

      🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢

    • @KevonDaDon
      @KevonDaDon 2 месяца назад +2

      Dak on the final year of his deal and doesn’t look like he’s getting extended Cowboys have a real shot to get him fr

    • @HappyGrouch
      @HappyGrouch 2 месяца назад +1

      @@FrankGallagher1700 Jerry Jones said the words out of his mouth lol so because you didnt watch the well off media video, im cap? lol cool bro

    • @Thugofchoc
      @Thugofchoc 2 месяца назад

      Jerry the only owner out here making draft decisions

    • @playamadetx5279
      @playamadetx5279 2 месяца назад

      Stephen jones drafts for the cowboys fyi .

  • @jaybriggs2132
    @jaybriggs2132 2 месяца назад +2

    Can’t believe the hate I just heard you know a mf hating when they say I’m not hating before making statement

  • @sceptre3524
    @sceptre3524 2 месяца назад +2

    Daren, bro you ain’t in on them VIP meetings… that’s 🧢 …. DB you sound like Stephen from DJango!!!

  • @TT-dv9er
    @TT-dv9er 2 месяца назад +3

    Caleb is not going lower than 2. What are y’all talking about?

  • @DYNAMITE21247
    @DYNAMITE21247 2 месяца назад +7

    They hating on deion but yall gonna see

  • @joesamfinance4751
    @joesamfinance4751 Месяц назад

    Question to Deion: Shedeur missed that throw to X. Deion. Oh no, it was a blown coverage. Somebody missed an assignment. Me: Throw that danm ball. Don't take the sack

  • @charleseverly5634
    @charleseverly5634 2 месяца назад +2

    Everybody cant go to Miami and LA and Dallas. If they let players pick where they want to go places like Buffalo and Green Bay and Detroit would die.

  • @gregbrickley4267
    @gregbrickley4267 2 месяца назад +5

    Bates played in 125 games to have 78 total tackles for his career 😂😂😂😂

    • @louboy7789
      @louboy7789 2 месяца назад +1

      😂😂😂😂😂. 💀

    • @Ynkno
      @Ynkno 2 месяца назад +1

      1 good one a game

    • @williedaviskcmo
      @williedaviskcmo 2 месяца назад

      Right he needs shut his ass up

    • @ItsKillaBouie
      @ItsKillaBouie 2 месяца назад

      I fw bates but my g was in the league only for special teams, nothing outside of that

  • @aidenasavage
    @aidenasavage 2 месяца назад +3

    Bates high as hell

  • @chiefgangmusic
    @chiefgangmusic Месяц назад +1

    Normally I go with the vets since they actually played but sometimes they ignore their own mental to go with their hearts and it be sounding like they got some hatred jealousy and envy in their hearts. Wtf is Deion supposed to say when he knows how the game goes. Of course he’s not going to want his son to be David Carr. It really sounds like they mad at how Deion said it and not what he actually said. I bet if Cooper were to do the same thing with Arch, it wouldn’t even be a topic.

  • @brandoncaldwell2263
    @brandoncaldwell2263 2 месяца назад +1

    The biggest ? is Can Sheduer be coached by anyone else other than his dad. No head coach is wanting t0o deal with meddling of a HOFer when it comes to a player that happens to be his son. He's going to go deep in the draft Hunter is going to go high bc the no.s he mentioned were from 2023,

  • @kendrickb7397
    @kendrickb7397 2 месяца назад +4

    It’s wild that you can’t even give your opinion on Deion, his kids, or Colorado football as a whole without being called a hater smh

  • @zel3x_
    @zel3x_ 2 месяца назад +24

    Smh black folks stay hating on black folks

    • @thesaiyanpath7914
      @thesaiyanpath7914 2 месяца назад +2

      lol what. that's really what you see when you watch this? you must be immersed in the world of racial beliefs to process this video and then make a comment about race lmao. this is just grown men talking objectively about their perspectives. you think they're the problem, but really, you are home boy

    • @Thugofchoc
      @Thugofchoc 2 месяца назад

      Anybody who not dickriding hating to yall smh

    • @playamadetx5279
      @playamadetx5279 2 месяца назад +2

      @@thesaiyanpath7914these bots been programmed to think like that

  • @TheGr8tstevrmntion
    @TheGr8tstevrmntion 2 месяца назад +1

    Crazy to see black men hating like this

  • @brandonhudson7936
    @brandonhudson7936 2 месяца назад +2

    Holmes got hate in his heart cuz he had a lackluster NFL career..