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Very well done, DavidSJ! I think you're really on point about the committing to sounds bit. That was just how it was done "back in the day," at both the recording and mixing stages, because there wasn't really any other option. With unlimited tracks available and so many good virtual instrument and amp sim options these days, that willingness to commit to a sound has really become a lost art. Boy, that sounds pretty Boomer-ish reading it back, but I stand by it. :)
To be 100% transparent, my first COMPUTER based rig was as described...in the past I also had a Fostex 4-track and a Zoom MRS8, but didn't feel like relating the entire history of my attempts at being a musician who recorded himself...
Awesome videos! You 2 are really kickin up the ante with the level of professionalism and information here. The presentation is concise, and abundant. Thank you!
Sound advice here and I just went through this process myself. Funny how I did exactly what your tips were. Upgraded my monitors, did room treatment, changed my interface to have some Ins and outs. Then created a mixbus chain. Funny enough, the first thing in the chain is a pair or preamps that have a "big" sonic signature. I went 500 series to create a custom chain using the functionality of the Fusion, silverbullet, and MBP as inspiration. I mixed/expanded the functionality of these boxes. So it goes preamps --> saturation box --> stereo compression --> 4 band EQ --> Stereo Image processing. Its working out really well.
Thanks for all the great advice. I watched a similar video of yours on this topic, and it helped me to decide to go ahead and try my hand at hybrid mixing. I record drums in my small home studio, 8 tracks into my saffire pro 40. My mixes are not bad but always seems to be missing that warmths that comes with analogue gear. I get good results using Softube tape and other waves plugins, but just not quite the same. Before going ahead and spending big money, decided to dip my little toe in the deep end. Added a tube preamp.
Crucial! 👏 Finally someone is covering this content. Awareness is key when establishing goals for your setup and your journey. Yes, “journey”. 😆 Gear buying is a journey.
These are some things I've been thinking about for some time and it was a super helpful video. The most important thing I learned I don't NEED everything, and certainly not all at once.
I would like to add though FMR RNC and RNLA are not plugins in a box. They are analogue comressors. They are controlled by software based controllers i.e to . The audio is never converted to AD or DA nor is there a "chip" inside to compress. These are VCA based compressors which are triggered by digital parameters hence the "warm" pure analogue sound :)
After 15 years of mixing in the box, I added a behringer T1953 tube preamp to my Focusrite Saffire pro 40. It has a toroidal transformer used in high end audio gear and was inexpensive and based off what I have heard, it adds nice width, sparkle and warmth. I intend to use it mostly on the masterbuss, BUT I would like to try it when recording drum and run the Kick and Snare through it then into the saffire pro.
When you use a preamp on your mix bus do you turn the knob (as on the Neve) to line level or do you use mic level? Second question. How much gain do you use on line or mic level?
I don't necessarily agree with what David is saying. First of all, having to wait to print the audio isn't necessary nowadays. I use Ableton and there is a device called "External Audio Effect" which enables you to route your audio directly from the daw into the gear and back onto the channel, allowing you to have the hardware act as a plugin. Secondly, this eliminates the need for a patch bay (which for me being visually impaired is a good thing). Most interfaces such as the 18i20 have ADAT in and out which allows for an external preamp (or even an older interface with ADAT) to be used. If you have the outputs of the main interface going into the gear, and then out of the gear into the inputs of the ADAT preamps, you can then just route the audio directly. This is what I will be doing when my setup gets a bit of an upgrade.
Great video! I'm interested in the preamp to mix bus technique! I never thought of that! How would you set that up? Do you just run the output of the preamp into the bus compressor? Then run the whole mix back through the preamp?
Really helpful, thanks a lot for this video. I have a question. I have a Neve mono channel. I would like to mix with it, not only track with it. Any thoughts or ideas how I can utilize this, possibly with stereo material too?
With 1 single mono unit I would not bother mixing with that. You want at least a pair and even then there is a ton of work around to utilize those in a mixing situation.
@@MixingMusicAnalog Thanks for replying. I was considering trying to get another one, and then use the two as preamps on the mix bus like you recommended. Why would that be a lot of work? It's a Neve Portico ii Channel.
Hi David, what kind of a/d converter rig should I run for a 32 channel mixing board. I'm thinking of just stacking berhinger 8i8o converters into an adat to USB interface, but is there a better/more economical option?
You will need a patchbay to link and inter link one or more processors you have I have the same setup and patchbay gave me opportunities to create custom signal chains to connect
Um...erm...uh...(does he ever inhale?) One thing for sure, I need to work on getting the audio sync'd to the video...but still, not bad for a first try...
Don't waste your money on budget gear. You will only lose money because later you will want to upgrade it. Save up for pro gear that will last you a lifetime.
You can buy budget gear, you just can't buy CHEAP gear. There's a difference. There's plenty of budget gear that holds up to gear that cost much much more nowadays.
I would like to add though FMR RNC and RNLA are not plugins in a box. They are analogue comressors. They are controlled by software based controllers i.e to . The audio is never converted to AD or DA nor is there a "chip" inside to compress
Get ready for my Hybrid Mixing course! Save $100 druning the Presale which starts on Feb 20th 2023.
www.homerecordingmadeeasy.com/mixing-hybrid-pop-rock
Leave a comment below. Also, here is my Sweetwater affiliate link for the next time you are in the market for purchasing something for your studio. Many, many thanks in advance for using this link. I truly appreciate your support. :)
Copy and paste it to your desktop for future use.
imp.i114863.net/c/2224454/792013/11319
Very well done, DavidSJ! I think you're really on point about the committing to sounds bit. That was just how it was done "back in the day," at both the recording and mixing stages, because there wasn't really any other option. With unlimited tracks available and so many good virtual instrument and amp sim options these days, that willingness to commit to a sound has really become a lost art. Boy, that sounds pretty Boomer-ish reading it back, but I stand by it. :)
Well said!
Man i feel old ,my 1st setup was a tascam 8 track reel to reel
Thanks for watching!
To be 100% transparent, my first COMPUTER based rig was as described...in the past I also had a Fostex 4-track and a Zoom MRS8, but didn't feel like relating the entire history of my attempts at being a musician who recorded himself...
Hybrid studio setup is the way to go. I only use hardware for tracking, and then plugins for mixing and mastering. Works great for me.
Thanks for being here and for your support!
Awesome videos! You 2 are really kickin up the ante with the level of professionalism and information here. The presentation is concise, and abundant. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Some very good points. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks David. Very helpful and a lot of great advice. Well presented and articulated explanations.
Thanks for watching!
Great information DSJ.
Thanks for watching!
Sound advice here and I just went through this process myself. Funny how I did exactly what your tips were. Upgraded my monitors, did room treatment, changed my interface to have some Ins and outs. Then created a mixbus chain. Funny enough, the first thing in the chain is a pair or preamps that have a "big" sonic signature. I went 500 series to create a custom chain using the functionality of the Fusion, silverbullet, and MBP as inspiration. I mixed/expanded the functionality of these boxes. So it goes preamps --> saturation box --> stereo compression --> 4 band EQ --> Stereo Image processing. Its working out really well.
That's great! Thanks for sharing!!
Great vid Dave
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for all the great advice. I watched a similar video of yours on this topic, and it helped me to decide to go ahead and try my hand at hybrid mixing. I record drums in my small home studio, 8 tracks into my saffire pro 40. My mixes are not bad but always seems to be missing that warmths that comes with analogue gear. I get good results using Softube tape and other waves plugins, but just not quite the same. Before going ahead and spending big money, decided to dip my little toe in the deep end. Added a tube preamp.
Thanks for checking out the video.
Crucial! 👏 Finally someone is covering this content. Awareness is key when establishing goals for your setup and your journey. Yes, “journey”. 😆 Gear buying is a journey.
Thanks for watching!
Great job
Yes, it was!
These are some things I've been thinking about for some time and it was a super helpful video. The most important thing I learned I don't NEED everything, and certainly not all at once.
Glad it was helpful!
I would like to add though FMR RNC and RNLA are not plugins in a box. They are analogue comressors. They are controlled by software based controllers i.e to . The audio is never converted to AD or DA nor is there a "chip" inside to compress. These are VCA based compressors which are triggered by digital parameters hence the "warm" pure analogue sound :)
Thank you!
Correct
Excellent video. Extremely helpful, applicable information. Thank you. Peace and blessings to you and your family!
Thank you very much!
Thanks for the nice video on setting up Hybrid mixing studio.
Any time!
After 15 years of mixing in the box, I added a behringer T1953 tube preamp to my Focusrite Saffire pro 40. It has a toroidal transformer used in high end audio gear and was inexpensive and based off what I have heard, it adds nice width, sparkle and warmth. I intend to use it mostly on the masterbuss, BUT I would like to try it when recording drum and run the Kick and Snare through it then into the saffire pro.
Thanks for sharing!
👏👏👏 Good job Dave!!!!
Thank you
Love all your videos.
Thank you ver ymuch
When you use a preamp on your mix bus do you turn the knob (as on the Neve) to line level or do you use mic level? Second question. How much gain do you use on line or mic level?
I'll let DSJ answer this one.
That was Awsome ! Thnx from a fellow engineer !
Glad you enjoyed it!
I don't necessarily agree with what David is saying. First of all, having to wait to print the audio isn't necessary nowadays. I use Ableton and there is a device called "External Audio Effect" which enables you to route your audio directly from the daw into the gear and back onto the channel, allowing you to have the hardware act as a plugin. Secondly, this eliminates the need for a patch bay (which for me being visually impaired is a good thing). Most interfaces such as the 18i20 have ADAT in and out which allows for an external preamp (or even an older interface with ADAT) to be used. If you have the outputs of the main interface going into the gear, and then out of the gear into the inputs of the ADAT preamps, you can then just route the audio directly. This is what I will be doing when my setup gets a bit of an upgrade.
Thanks for watching!
Top video !
Thank you very much!
Great video! I'm interested in the preamp to mix bus technique! I never thought of that! How would you set that up? Do you just run the output of the preamp into the bus compressor? Then run the whole mix back through the preamp?
Video coming soon!
Nuendo / Cubase pro external FX bounce in off line mode
Thanks for watching
How do you get the 2buss line level signal into the preamp since the WA-412 and ART TransX have only mic and hi-z inputs?
DSJ will have to answer this one
Really helpful, thanks a lot for this video. I have a question. I have a Neve mono channel. I would like to mix with it, not only track with it. Any thoughts or ideas how I can utilize this, possibly with stereo material too?
With 1 single mono unit I would not bother mixing with that. You want at least a pair and even then there is a ton of work around to utilize those in a mixing situation.
@@MixingMusicAnalog Thanks for replying. I was considering trying to get another one, and then use the two as preamps on the mix bus like you recommended. Why would that be a lot of work? It's a Neve Portico ii Channel.
Have you tried any of the Golden Age gear?
I have not
Is there value in adding outboard preamps to a cheap interface (a Beringer UMC in my case) or would upgrading my interface have a bigger impact?
Yes adding an outboard preamp will then take place of your inexpensive interface preamp so you will have some better results.
Hi David, what kind of a/d converter rig should I run for a 32 channel mixing board. I'm thinking of just stacking berhinger 8i8o converters into an adat to USB interface, but is there a better/more economical option?
I dont think you will find much more economical than the Berhinger stuff
Do you think the Black Lion Audio Auteur MkIII 2 would work as a preamp on the mixbus?
I have never heard of that product, sorry
Yes...
I have a Apollo twin, Focusrite ISA One, RNC1773, KlarkTeknik EQ and a dbx 266xs Compressor/Gate can someone help me route it? Thanks a lot 🙌🙌🙌🙌
Not sure what you mean. Maybe someone in the comments can help?
You will need a patchbay to link and inter link one or more processors you have I have the same setup and patchbay gave me opportunities to create custom signal chains to connect
Um...erm...uh...(does he ever inhale?)
One thing for sure, I need to work on getting the audio sync'd to the video...but still, not bad for a first try...
its fine
Don't waste your money on budget gear. You will only lose money because later you will want to upgrade it.
Save up for pro gear that will last you a lifetime.
Thanks for watching!
You can buy budget gear, you just can't buy CHEAP gear. There's a difference. There's plenty of budget gear that holds up to gear that cost much much more nowadays.
I would like to add though FMR RNC and RNLA are not plugins in a box. They are analogue comressors. They are controlled by software based controllers i.e to . The audio is never converted to AD or DA nor is there a "chip" inside to compress