The call back to Baby saying “I don’t recognize you” and now saying “I recognize you” makes me 100% believe this. That is the strongest piece of evidence
Was just thinking, Cassie's dad has to be a lot older than some might think if he truly is the Bonnie Bully. The Bite was in 1983 and Micheal was around 14ish, and assuming Cassie's Dad/the Bonnie Bully was around the same age, and going off the calendar in SB placing the game at probably 2035 at the earliest (2029 is unlikely as it is too soon), that'd place him in his mid to late 60s.
@@thepizzagamer2238 I feel like Scott really messed up by setting FNAF 3 so late. Then we have stuff happening after that. Really all these characters are incredibly old.
@@arieltallen5732 while that would be the case remember circus baby can take control and possibly override Elizabeth so she could probably review her memories and talk for Elizabeth so for sister location's case here she wouldn't recognize Michael because Elizabeth only remembers teen Michael not adult Michael so that's why when she says "you are new" it's becaue he is not only from her database but in Elizabeth's memory bank too
@@unknownweirdo_ because she's separate from Elizabeth mentally so while she has access to her memories she won't act like Elizabeth till pizza Sim when Elizabeth has better control over circus baby they are the same it's just that baby's blocking her out whether it be intentionally or unintentionally
as of right now, Cassie’s dad is the best to assume was there at sister location prior to Michael. love the theory and can’t wait for what Scott has in store for the 10 year anniversary!
“I recognize you” is honestly really big, probably all the proof I needed. Plus I feel like it’s a good connection that doesn’t break canon and makes the story more cohesive.
Ooh that “I recognize you/I don’t recognize you” was a seriously great realization. That parallel is TOO deliberate. And I don’t think she’s talking to the player, I think you’re definitely meant to remember her story about the guy who made the hiding spot. Excellent catch.
That's the very point. Steel Wool games are the mirror of Scott Cawthon games with every little thing just like movie trilogy, book trilogy but in opposite to them Steel Wool games are in the same timeline as Scott Cawthon games just happening later.
Maybe Cassie’s Dad was working with Michael to a certain degree? I’m sure every kid in that group felt awful for their part in getting Crying Child bitten and killed, so once Michael discovered what William was doing and vowed to stop it, he asked his old friends for help.
It may seem like it's not enough, but that last point about Baby saying "I recognize you" definitely convinced me that you're right with this one. It's so on the nose for it to be a coincidence, because it's not even a case of Steel Wool reusing Baby's lines.
I do like the connections between Cassie's Dad/Jeremy and Sister Location, but... I think the person who was here before us was supposed to be William. When the Bidybabs say, "Is it the same person?", I think that's what Mike was referring to when he says "They thought I was YOU" in his speech. "They didn't recognize me at first, but then they thought I was YOU." William also crafted the space under the desk cause he was, well, the dude who built the bunker, he would know how to do that.
isnt "They didn't recognize me at first, but then they thought I was YOU" is about animatronics in fnaf 1? but yeah, its probably william or even some random technician, fnaf youtubers like to overcomplicated everything
@@bbgrl-l1s I don't really think inserting a character that we're learning about into the spot of a character we DON'T know about is really overcomplicating at all. If anything, its nice storytelling to have a character be a through-line, like how we theorized with Michael. Do i think this was planned back when SL released? Absolutely not. But do i think its a cool and satisfying story to set up? I do.
I'm confused how Circus Baby of all people would go from not recognizing Michael, to thinking he's William. There's also no indication (that I know of) that the Bidybabs thought the player was William. They simply wanted to know if they were dealing with the same person as before because they couldn't see him yet.
And what would William even want the space under the desk for? he had no need to hide from the funtimes because they were his creations, he was the one in control for the longest time, and the animatronics probably knew to recognize him, whereas a random technician would have been in actual danger because the bots are naturally built to work as killing machines against anyone besides Will, so anyone else in the bunker would want a safe spot to hide; also from the way they specifically say that the previous guy "Crafted" the hiding spot, it makes it sound like it was harshly built with parts scattered around the place in a moment of panic, and not an actual structure intended to be built as part of the bunker. It honestly wouldn't make sense for them to be talking about William seeing how much the game emphasizes the fact that other random technicians were in the bunker before Michael, and how most of them winded up dead, like the guy in the ducts or the ones hanging in Ballora's stage.
Oh yeah dude, you have me convinced. I remember the “I recognize you” line and always thought it was familiar but I never made the connection! You’re a genius!
my crackpot theory of jeremy being in the background the whole time continues bonnie bully > fnaf2 guard (not bitten) > sister location before mike > vanni mask/face cut beta tester > cassie's dad > security breach technician > help wanted 2 is all memories of his times > gives mask to cassie in ruin as the bot
Wait holy shit wasn’t Bonnie also possessed by a kid named Jeremy? I’m not saying they’re the same person because that wouldn’t make any sense but i still feel like there might be something to that
@@drewbloom_ yeah the bonnie MCI kid was named jeremy. I had a headcanon/theory that Jeremy Fitzgerald is the bonnie bro, who would go on to work for fazbear entertainment since fnaf2, and that he never got bitten. he was also the Jeremy beta tester who 'cut his face off' but im pretty sure it's the vanni mask because it never outright states it was his face technically. it refers to the 'face' as a halloween mask, and the vanni mask is shown as such in the dreadbear dlc. plus, this all loops back to fnaf 2 cause withered bonnie has his face gone. a weird coincidence. it would just be weird if we play as a guard named jeremy who gets bitten and then just... he's never come up again in the series. it feels cooler if he has a bigger role. I then assumed that maybe the help wanted fnaf6 segments are jeremy working in the fnaf6 location with mike, and who would later work as a technician for fazbear entertainment/father of cassie. candy cadet's story about someone who had a scar and came back for revenge also makes sense if jeremy had a scar from the vanni mask but returned before the events of RUIN took place. The fact the MCI bonnie kid is named jeremy is pretty interesting. in help wanted 2 we got an achievement with the bonnie poppit that says "remember jeremy" which made me wonder if MCI jeremy was like... related to fitzgerald jeremy in some way
@@EggYTPYeah you convinced me that Jeremy Fitzgerald is indeed Cassie’s dad/Bonnie bro. MCI Bonnie has always bugged me, same with MCI Fritz. Like why would Scott name two of the MCI victims after the two security guards we play as in FNAF 2? Idk, I guess it’s possible that Scott is just bad with names
I love it when Jhon always thinks outside the box and brings up things other fnaf theorists wouldn't usually look back on for importance when crafting a theory, like when he connected the "I recognise you" and "I don't recognise you" lines from baby, that was so satisfying, this is why John Fuhnaff is GOATED! Can't wait for next weekend to see what he has cooked up for us next :D
It’s so funny those lines from Baby were overlooked for years now because simply we didn’t have anything to connect them back to it’s insane that with these newer games we’re literally going back to a pair of random voice lines from Sister Location and finding out these crazy connections…..jeez
I could imagine Cassie's dad worked here like as a summer job or something, realized it was super dangerous and got out, and then later tipped Micheal off about how weird his dad's place was, which *might* be pretty important, even if it doesn't change our understanding of the lore. It's more in the realm of headcanon though.
A potential problem is, who was this character intended to be when Sister Location released? If Scott was trying to tell us something, even back then, surely he wouldn't wait 7 entire years to finally introduce this person
Right. Like creating a theory of a character to fit into a line of a game that was created nearly a decade ago with lines vague enough to mean basically any engineer is kind of a reach. Like sure it might be true now, but I doubt it was made with this in mind 7 years ago.
Fun fact: On the sister location map, if you place the midnight motorist map rotate it 270 degrees and reverse it in order to continue the road from fnaf 4 minigame you can see that the grave part from midnight motorist happens to be exactly on top of the sister location elevator
Cassie's Dad working in the bunker, would also explain why the Sister Location minigames in Help Wanted 2 aren't accurate to how the game panned out. Things like the bidybabs being in Ballora's Room, Funtime Chica existing in the private room, etc.
I have a feeling Cassie’s dad has been tricked by William to go down to the bunker, heck maybe do all of Help Wanted 2. He may want revenge on him for help Michael harm the younger son of Afton.
The prior person was supposed to be William, it's a common theme in the original 6 FNAFs that the PC (Michael) is often mistaken for William by the animatronics which is why they are hostile to him. Cassie's dad is pretty much a retcon.
This lines up too perfectly!!! Thanks for sharing this information to us, I'm going to now add this to the timeline. *... 13% now solved. 87% left to go.*
This is fascinating! I'd love to see this as a movie adaptation, it's cool to see how much a character Baby,Balora, Cassie's Dad, etc and how the family symbolism really goes into that dark path. ooh chilling.
This is a really good callout. I hadn't thought about Circus Baby saying "I recognise you" before and I haven't really thought about the Candy Cadet story possibly referring to Cassie's Dad's connection to the Sister Location bunker. You're right Cassie's Dad 100% has the connection to that bunker, the Vanny Ending of HW2 and the SL presence throughout HW2 makes that clear. I never really connected those dots but now that you have, I think you're correct. Another note though, I've now been thinking of "why"? How does Cassie's Dad being the Sister Location bunker survivor really add? I mean it's cool extra character I guess, any way they can add extra emphasis on a character we don't even see or hear is great for me so it doesn't really bother me for it to have been there just to for that, but it did make me at least want to consider the idea there was an extra reason for it. My mind then went to Ruin's elevator ending where Cassie walks through a corridor with SL-styled lighting and fan (maybe other decor I don't remember) then enters the elevator for it to drop and it's a cliffhanger as to what happened. It's implied in SL that Observatory 1 is Fredbear's, it's implied that Fredbear's is now Freddy Fazbear's Pizza Place, so therefore it's implied that the SL bunker is under Freddy Fazbear's Mega Pizzaplex. There's a pretty good chance imo that Cassie fell into Circus Baby's Entertainment & Rental, which alone would be cool but if you add on that her father was the Survivor of that location it does add that extra connection that makes me think "they can probably do something interesting with this". Not sure, just wanted to put my thoughts on that here.
Another piece of evidence that people don't mention that could add to your theory is the second fazerblast game in HW2. Circus Baby saying "You should've known that I would find you."
It must be a cipher, don't know which one specifically, but here each letter on the screen is actually the letter that's 7 places before that presented on screen So u-7 would be n (o p q r s t u) L-7 is e (f g h i j k l) etc.
Holy mackerel John the 'I recognise you' really seals the deal on this theory. Y'all hit the nail on the head in my opinions. Big love and keep up to great theorizing ❤️❤️
Tbh watching your videos helps me understand the lore of the franchise better and I think your on to something with Cassie’s dad being the person that Baby remembers from sister location
finally someone talking about the connections between sister location and the newer games!! Do you want to know what haunts me from sister location: Balloras song; all I see is an empty room, no more joy, an empty tomb. An EMPTY tomb? an empty tomb is someone who has died but dissapeard or were not found? this has bugged me for YEARS.
This is very intriguing and it made me remember in FNAF 6 at the end when Henry says, " And my brave volunteer. Who somehow found this job listing not intended for you." Then who was it intended for? Maybe the person who was there before.. I could see it being Cassidy's dad but the big question is why? I know hes an employee but that wouldnt explain why he would be in that part of of the building since everything in sister location was supposed to be automatic and work without a human. Great theory!
Do you think that lefty could be a refurbished carnie? This is a very long shot, im talkin 100 yard football kick, but it's just some fun thoughts that could conjure up something in the community. If you look at burnt carnie's model, you can just barely see that his right eye is more withered. You may have to squint. But say that at that time his right eye got replaced because it was the most damaged of the two, after decades of collecting dust and rotting away, the untouched eye could have decayed to the point of becoming black. As Henry repared carnie to become lefty, the original eye may have stayed or been replaced with a new black eye for a unique touch. A more realistic approach could be the lefty's design is INSPIRED by his burnt orginal. The eye rotted eye i just mentioned could have inspired the black eye detail. One specific character of that I think could drive home this theory is the color. Burnt carnie is a muted brown with white char accents. But if you were to scrape all of burnt plastic off, you be left with a black tarnished metal. Notice that lefty is not solid black, but a metalic, gun metal black. I think it is possibe that lefty is either a repaired version of carnie, with it's new design based on the chared scraps of the original, or lefty was a completely different animatronic who's build was inspired by the remains of his counterpart. By the location of Fazer Blast and hint we see, I think that carnie was most likely a part of Fall Fest(most likely the 1970 event) if so, do you think it's possible that carnie was one of Henry's first animatronics. That was a whole decade before our first look at fredbears. Whether or not Fredbear's opened before 1983. I highly doubt that it was an establishment before 1970. I noticed that there is no sign of Freddy’s or Fredbear's on the poster. Which leads me to believe that this fall fest may have predated everything. The running theory is that the mediocre melodies were his first animatronics, made to rip off Freddy’s fame. But being that we see an animatronic a decade before that, that closely resembles one of his final animatronics. It really seems that carnie could be his first. Here's some food for thought. Henry has been deemed a copycat in the early timeline for the mediocre melodies. But if he made his first BEAR animatronic at a children's theme event in 1970, is he really the copycat? If William stole the idea and made Fredbear's, and Fredbear's became as big as it did. No one would bat an eye at a small carnival with a simple bear animatronic. I don't know if I like this idea, but I'm just throwing everything I got to see what sticks. Is it possible that William set the carnival on fire to one, preventing it from becoming more successful. And two, to take that idea and reuse it for himself. I don't think he was pure evil at this point, or really evil at all. But it's still just a thought. I don't really think that lefty is a remade carnie. I think it's possible that the design could have been inspired by the withered design. But I doubt that they put that much thought into a connection like that. I am pretty confident, though, that carnie was most likely the first and that Henry was never really the copycat. But more so, tried to reclaim the ideas stolen from him later on after William's fame.
Help wanted 2 seems like an archive of "Jeremy's" Memories, we possibly see earlier timeline events from his pov, and we see more current events, lefty coming from carnie would make sense. I feel like theres something to figure out about lefty still though, the shushing and the voice, who is it if not charlotte? Is it Cassidy? Do we even believe in cassidy anymore 😭
Lefty may just be Carnie. The bear was just a repurposed animatronic made to catch the Puppet. Would also explain the black fur, it's not fur it's the charred remains of the original
I've seen comments like "tHeY uAEd ThE SAm moDEl beCAuSe tHey ARe lAZy. tHis iS wHy SW sHOuLd noT tAke oVER tHe fNaF" but I can say, that's not very very VERY ture.
This is almost certainly true because the carnival that carnie is in is supposed to be way back in the 70's. Henry for sure took carnie and turned it into lefty.
There were two bombshells (3:59, 5:36) that made me shudder and laugh from the connections you drew, and you absolutely earned that "Ultimate Need More Proof."
I’ve always placed that as being Willam because, he’s definitely been down there and they distinctly say they think it’s a guy who’s gotten out and probably looks like Mike if their questioning if it’s the same person and they think it’s William as they game goes on anyway.
i am super here for this actually!! theres a lot of good evidence and it ties up that "who was there before mike" loose thread that i had somehow completely forgotten about hahaha. I love a good bit of interconnectedness.
Ok but. Top tier theory. It's a narrative that could totally be possible and it lines up so well with all the evidence you've put up. I remember how all of us were going bonkers at the hand unit speech at the help wanted 2 trailer and then we all forgot about it, but it makes so much sense tying it to Cassie's dad involvement in sister location. Kudos John
Another little thing that adds to the theory more of a story element Is that William would want hire him to basically to get revenge for the bite of 83 knowing that he would be a major danger and it would be ironic that he would have died to an animatronic character just like the crying child.
First🎉🎉 there's also the fact that in the books some woman's house is built on top of sister location or so,etching and someone was down there or got stuck there, can't fully remember
I agree 100% with the theory, I think it makes a lot of sense from numerous points of view and lines up with many things. The obly question left in my mind is "so what?" "why does this matter?" "woukd they really put that much effort and detail just for a nugget of inconsequential information?" and things like that. Great theory though!
I am very hopeful that we will get what happened to all of Michael's old "friends" who are connected to a specific animatronic and what their stories will be as adults(if they all even made it to adulthood).
I don't think Cassies dad is Bonnie bully, at this point I'm fully convinced that people are being gathered who share traits/look like people from the past, its a mass recreation with people. It's telling us that princess quest ending is putting things together that has happened before
I love the idea that when Scott and Steel Wool put a Sisyer Location reference in the game, they just watch as we write it off entirely, and go "Dammit, they still don't get it."
The call back to Baby saying “I don’t recognize you” and now saying “I recognize you” makes me 100% believe this. That is the strongest piece of evidence
Uh how am I the only comment of a 870 like comment
@@twoface1192 omg I didn’t even notice that I have that many likes GoDAMN💀
@@RubySkullYTis that the comment of 87?!?
@@Mr_Least._ OH MY GOD
True. Im kinda surprised because I dont think Game Theory never once mentioned this? Or did I miss it?
"I recognize you" is the BIGGEST hint they gave us and I overlooked it damn👀
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Imagine Cassie's dad growing up and finding out what his friend's dad was up to this whole time. What... the... F.
“I mean, his dad always seemed a little weird, but jeez!” - Cassie’s dad probably.
@@madamplatypus313 "I've heard of family drama, but this is ridiculous! :D"
@@mr_h831Damn…😟
Was just thinking, Cassie's dad has to be a lot older than some might think if he truly is the Bonnie Bully.
The Bite was in 1983 and Micheal was around 14ish, and assuming Cassie's Dad/the Bonnie Bully was around the same age, and going off the calendar in SB placing the game at probably 2035 at the earliest (2029 is unlikely as it is too soon), that'd place him in his mid to late 60s.
@@thepizzagamer2238 I feel like Scott really messed up by setting FNAF 3 so late. Then we have stuff happening after that. Really all these characters are incredibly old.
5:10 “The ULTIMATE ‘Need More Proof?’ Is THIS”
*ad plays*
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It happened to me too.
LMAO SAME XD
Yeah!
Same
The code at the end says “next weekend… be ready” btw John you cooked once again
W WELL DONE THAT WAS QUICK
Did I miss the cipher?
Thank you!
How did you get this?
@@this_guy0341 a +7 shift cipher, i think
The "I recognize you" line could also be Elizabeth saying "hey I remember you from all those years ago from my brother's gang of delinquents"
If that’s the case she would have also said I recognize you in sister location.
@@arieltallen5732 while that would be the case remember circus baby can take control and possibly override Elizabeth so she could probably review her memories and talk for Elizabeth so for sister location's case here she wouldn't recognize Michael because Elizabeth only remembers teen Michael not adult Michael so that's why when she says "you are new" it's becaue he is not only from her database but in Elizabeth's memory bank too
@@arieltallen5732Baby didn't believe she was Elizabeth during sister location
@@unknownweirdo_ because she's separate from Elizabeth mentally so while she has access to her memories she won't act like Elizabeth till pizza Sim when Elizabeth has better control over circus baby they are the same it's just that baby's blocking her out whether it be intentionally or unintentionally
@@arieltallen5732 No, she wouldn't?? You play as Michael in Sister Location. Why would she say that to Michael if it's Cassie's dad she recognizes?
as of right now, Cassie’s dad is the best to assume was there at sister location prior to Michael. love the theory and can’t wait for what Scott has in store for the 10 year anniversary!
You starting this video with "8 years ago" physically hurt me to hear wow. I can't believe it was already that long ago.
I still remember reacting to teasers of the game.
@@Brydav_Massbearme too man, i used to be terrified of the one with the bidybabs and when you brighten it you’d see Baby’s face 💀
I was 12...back in 2016. It hurts
I can already see GTLive cheering with "Need more proof"
My thoughts exactly
Then there was the second one too!
I mean didn't Matpat already came to the same conclusions, when they played it?
Cassie’s dad really is just the main character of FNAF now, it seems like each of the bully’s are gonna be main characters💀
The fact it took 8 years to solve with a solid proof sounding theory shows how deep this franchise is.
thats because it took 8 years for a follow up retcon to come out, how else was it gonna get solved
If it takes 8 years for one big clue to be released, that's how long it'd probably take to solve
"deep" you mean intentionally complicated and unspeciifc
Damn I cant wait till 2031 for us to finally find out with a high 70% confirmation that Montey actually has the soul of the Pizzaria Sim Narrator 😊
Is it deep or convoluted
Your theories are on another level, you're so good at this. I love them.
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“I recognize you” is honestly really big, probably all the proof I needed. Plus I feel like it’s a good connection that doesn’t break canon and makes the story more cohesive.
A top tier theory, especially connecting the "I (don't) recognise you" lines. Feels pretty dam solid, intrigued to hear Matt's take on this too
who's gonna tell bro
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@@cyberneticperson9343 LEGIT I WAS GONNA SAY.. he cant help you with this one 😬
Someone’s got to be the one to tell bro 😭
Are yall talking about matts retirement because if so he still does gtlive he just doesnt do the other four channels
Ooh that “I recognize you/I don’t recognize you” was a seriously great realization. That parallel is TOO deliberate. And I don’t think she’s talking to the player, I think you’re definitely meant to remember her story about the guy who made the hiding spot. Excellent catch.
Bonny Bro / Cassie's Dad is becoming the new Michael Afton at this point.
lol
that probably what steel woods wants????
at this point the fanbase will accept ANY new antagonist just as long as afton finally does NOT come back this time. lol
That's the very point. Steel Wool games are the mirror of Scott Cawthon games with every little thing just like movie trilogy, book trilogy but in opposite to them Steel Wool games are in the same timeline as Scott Cawthon games just happening later.
who the hell is Bonny
i had just sat down to study THANK GOD you dropped this now i have something more productive to do
I see you, too, are a master at the art of procrastination?
greetings my people!
Maybe Cassie’s Dad was working with Michael to a certain degree? I’m sure every kid in that group felt awful for their part in getting Crying Child bitten and killed, so once Michael discovered what William was doing and vowed to stop it, he asked his old friends for help.
So it means we will have 2 more Michael friends involved in the future maybe?
there was even a theory that freddy mask is oswalds dad too! maybe if theres another game we can see chica mask
0:01 bro did you just say 8 years ago? WTF its already been 8 years?!
I must be tweaking
8???? Fml
Actually it's been 9
10 in just a month lol
This coming August it'll be 10 years ago!!
It may seem like it's not enough, but that last point about Baby saying "I recognize you" definitely convinced me that you're right with this one. It's so on the nose for it to be a coincidence, because it's not even a case of Steel Wool reusing Baby's lines.
I do like the connections between Cassie's Dad/Jeremy and Sister Location, but... I think the person who was here before us was supposed to be William. When the Bidybabs say, "Is it the same person?", I think that's what Mike was referring to when he says "They thought I was YOU" in his speech. "They didn't recognize me at first, but then they thought I was YOU." William also crafted the space under the desk cause he was, well, the dude who built the bunker, he would know how to do that.
isnt "They didn't recognize me at first, but then they thought I was YOU" is about animatronics in fnaf 1? but yeah, its probably william or even some random technician, fnaf youtubers like to overcomplicated everything
@@bbgrl-l1s I don't really think inserting a character that we're learning about into the spot of a character we DON'T know about is really overcomplicating at all. If anything, its nice storytelling to have a character be a through-line, like how we theorized with Michael. Do i think this was planned back when SL released? Absolutely not. But do i think its a cool and satisfying story to set up? I do.
I'm confused how Circus Baby of all people would go from not recognizing Michael, to thinking he's William. There's also no indication (that I know of) that the Bidybabs thought the player was William. They simply wanted to know if they were dealing with the same person as before because they couldn't see him yet.
You could argue it was even Henry
And what would William even want the space under the desk for? he had no need to hide from the funtimes because they were his creations, he was the one in control for the longest time, and the animatronics probably knew to recognize him, whereas a random technician would have been in actual danger because the bots are naturally built to work as killing machines against anyone besides Will, so anyone else in the bunker would want a safe spot to hide; also from the way they specifically say that the previous guy "Crafted" the hiding spot, it makes it sound like it was harshly built with parts scattered around the place in a moment of panic, and not an actual structure intended to be built as part of the bunker.
It honestly wouldn't make sense for them to be talking about William seeing how much the game emphasizes the fact that other random technicians were in the bunker before Michael, and how most of them winded up dead, like the guy in the ducts or the ones hanging in Ballora's stage.
Oh yeah dude, you have me convinced. I remember the “I recognize you” line and always thought it was familiar but I never made the connection! You’re a genius!
When you hit me with the “baby says I recognize you” that’s where I was full convinced and had to leave my room to go tell my sibling LMAO
8:20 “next weekend... be ready” BELIEVE ME I WILL MISTER FUHNAFF AHHHHH
my crackpot theory of jeremy being in the background the whole time continues
bonnie bully > fnaf2 guard (not bitten) > sister location before mike > vanni mask/face cut beta tester > cassie's dad > security breach technician > help wanted 2 is all memories of his times > gives mask to cassie in ruin as the bot
wait you might be cooking
Wait holy shit wasn’t Bonnie also possessed by a kid named Jeremy? I’m not saying they’re the same person because that wouldn’t make any sense but i still feel like there might be something to that
@@drewbloom_ at this point im willing to bet sure why not
@@drewbloom_ yeah the bonnie MCI kid was named jeremy.
I had a headcanon/theory that Jeremy Fitzgerald is the bonnie bro, who would go on to work for fazbear entertainment since fnaf2, and that he never got bitten.
he was also the Jeremy beta tester who 'cut his face off' but im pretty sure it's the vanni mask because it never outright states it was his face technically. it refers to the 'face' as a halloween mask, and the vanni mask is shown as such in the dreadbear dlc. plus, this all loops back to fnaf 2 cause withered bonnie has his face gone. a weird coincidence.
it would just be weird if we play as a guard named jeremy who gets bitten and then just... he's never come up again in the series. it feels cooler if he has a bigger role.
I then assumed that maybe the help wanted fnaf6 segments are jeremy working in the fnaf6 location with mike, and who would later work as a technician for fazbear entertainment/father of cassie.
candy cadet's story about someone who had a scar and came back for revenge also makes sense if jeremy had a scar from the vanni mask but returned before the events of RUIN took place.
The fact the MCI bonnie kid is named jeremy is pretty interesting. in help wanted 2 we got an achievement with the bonnie poppit that says "remember jeremy" which made me wonder if MCI jeremy was like... related to fitzgerald jeremy in some way
@@EggYTPYeah you convinced me that Jeremy Fitzgerald is indeed Cassie’s dad/Bonnie bro.
MCI Bonnie has always bugged me, same with MCI Fritz. Like why would Scott name two of the MCI victims after the two security guards we play as in FNAF 2? Idk, I guess it’s possible that Scott is just bad with names
I love it when Jhon always thinks outside the box and brings up things other fnaf theorists wouldn't usually look back on for importance when crafting a theory, like when he connected the "I recognise you" and "I don't recognise you" lines from baby, that was so satisfying, this is why John Fuhnaff is GOATED!
Can't wait for next weekend to see what he has cooked up for us next :D
It’s so funny those lines from Baby were overlooked for years now because simply we didn’t have anything to connect them back to it’s insane that with these newer games we’re literally going back to a pair of random voice lines from Sister Location and finding out these crazy connections…..jeez
Not going to lie, I was completely unconvinced until the "i recognize you" call out. You have me on board
I could imagine Cassie's dad worked here like as a summer job or something, realized it was super dangerous and got out, and then later tipped Micheal off about how weird his dad's place was, which *might* be pretty important, even if it doesn't change our understanding of the lore. It's more in the realm of headcanon though.
A potential problem is, who was this character intended to be when Sister Location released? If Scott was trying to tell us something, even back then, surely he wouldn't wait 7 entire years to finally introduce this person
Right. Like creating a theory of a character to fit into a line of a game that was created nearly a decade ago with lines vague enough to mean basically any engineer is kind of a reach. Like sure it might be true now, but I doubt it was made with this in mind 7 years ago.
Fun fact: On the sister location map, if you place the midnight motorist map rotate it 270 degrees and reverse it in order to continue the road from fnaf 4 minigame you can see that the grave part from midnight motorist happens to be exactly on top of the sister location elevator
this makes me so happy to see, that speech has alway messed with me. It’s so oddly specific but i felt like no one ever talked about it
Cassie's Dad working in the bunker, would also explain why the Sister Location minigames in Help Wanted 2 aren't accurate to how the game panned out.
Things like the bidybabs being in Ballora's Room, Funtime Chica existing in the private room, etc.
I have a feeling Cassie’s dad has been tricked by William to go down to the bunker, heck maybe do all of Help Wanted 2. He may want revenge on him for help Michael harm the younger son of Afton.
I LOVE WHEN JOHN TALKS ABOUT SISTER LOCATION!! :)
The prior person was supposed to be William, it's a common theme in the original 6 FNAFs that the PC (Michael) is often mistaken for William by the animatronics which is why they are hostile to him.
Cassie's dad is pretty much a retcon.
"The prior person was supposed to be William"
source: the community believed that for a long time so it must be true
The code at the end says "Next weekend... Be ready"
W THAT WAS QUICK LMAO
This lines up too perfectly!!! Thanks for sharing this information to us, I'm going to now add this to the timeline.
*... 13% now solved. 87% left to go.*
This is fascinating! I'd love to see this as a movie adaptation, it's cool to see how much a character Baby,Balora, Cassie's Dad, etc and how the family symbolism really goes into that dark path. ooh chilling.
This is a really good callout.
I hadn't thought about Circus Baby saying "I recognise you" before and I haven't really thought about the Candy Cadet story possibly referring to Cassie's Dad's connection to the Sister Location bunker.
You're right Cassie's Dad 100% has the connection to that bunker, the Vanny Ending of HW2 and the SL presence throughout HW2 makes that clear.
I never really connected those dots but now that you have, I think you're correct.
Another note though, I've now been thinking of "why"? How does Cassie's Dad being the Sister Location bunker survivor really add? I mean it's cool extra character I guess, any way they can add extra emphasis on a character we don't even see or hear is great for me so it doesn't really bother me for it to have been there just to for that, but it did make me at least want to consider the idea there was an extra reason for it.
My mind then went to Ruin's elevator ending where Cassie walks through a corridor with SL-styled lighting and fan (maybe other decor I don't remember) then enters the elevator for it to drop and it's a cliffhanger as to what happened.
It's implied in SL that Observatory 1 is Fredbear's, it's implied that Fredbear's is now Freddy Fazbear's Pizza Place, so therefore it's implied that the SL bunker is under Freddy Fazbear's Mega Pizzaplex.
There's a pretty good chance imo that Cassie fell into Circus Baby's Entertainment & Rental, which alone would be cool but if you add on that her father was the Survivor of that location it does add that extra connection that makes me think "they can probably do something interesting with this".
Not sure, just wanted to put my thoughts on that here.
I swear I remember a secret where Ballora Gallery was open on night 3, but I’ve never seen it online
Which secret is that?
The blue screen code section thing or?..
@@s.k_animations4978 no, not the blue screen
Or maybe it is, idk, I didn’t go in, and I could never replicate the secret
Another piece of evidence that people don't mention that could add to your theory is the second fazerblast game in HW2. Circus Baby saying "You should've known that I would find you."
WHATS WITH THE SCRAMBLED WORDS AT THE END JOHN?!?!? 8:20 ?!
IM GLAD IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED
I noticed them aswell!!
It says "Next weekend be ready"
@@gabebasaraba3998how do you know
It must be a cipher, don't know which one specifically, but here each letter on the screen is actually the letter that's 7 places before that presented on screen
So u-7 would be n (o p q r s t u)
L-7 is e (f g h i j k l) etc.
Holy mackerel John the 'I recognise you' really seals the deal on this theory. Y'all hit the nail on the head in my opinions. Big love and keep up to great theorizing ❤️❤️
You know it makes me happy knowing that my favorite character (Bonnie) is represented in some way with Cassie's Dad
This is the ONLY fnaf theory channel worth following just because dude doesn't rush videos out, he actually takes his time until he's confident.
I enjoy "ID Fantasy'" fnaf stuff and game theory is always a fun classic
Didn't expect myself to stumble upon a new Fnaf video today but I kinda appreciate it 😊😊.
Tbh watching your videos helps me understand the lore of the franchise better and I think your on to something with Cassie’s dad being the person that Baby remembers from sister location
Fnaf SL was 8 years ago?
*starts turning old*
4:02 NEED MORE PROOF YASSSSSSSSS
holy crap I saw this in my recommended 26 seconds after it was uploaded
finally someone talking about the connections between sister location and the newer games!! Do you want to know what haunts me from sister location:
Balloras song; all I see is an empty room, no more joy, an empty tomb.
An EMPTY tomb? an empty tomb is someone who has died but dissapeard or were not found? this has bugged me for YEARS.
Dittophobia: the fear of repetition
This is very intriguing and it made me remember in FNAF 6 at the end when Henry says, " And my brave volunteer. Who somehow found this job listing not intended for you." Then who was it intended for? Maybe the person who was there before..
I could see it being Cassidy's dad but the big question is why? I know hes an employee but that wouldnt explain why he would be in that part of of the building since everything in sister location was supposed to be automatic and work without a human.
Great theory!
Its sweet how MatPat inspired people to continue doing FNAF theories after his retirement
Do you think that lefty could be a refurbished carnie? This is a very long shot, im talkin 100 yard football kick, but it's just some fun thoughts that could conjure up something in the community.
If you look at burnt carnie's model, you can just barely see that his right eye is more withered. You may have to squint. But say that at that time his right eye got replaced because it was the most damaged of the two, after decades of collecting dust and rotting away, the untouched eye could have decayed to the point of becoming black. As Henry repared carnie to become lefty, the original eye may have stayed or been replaced with a new black eye for a unique touch.
A more realistic approach could be the lefty's design is INSPIRED by his burnt orginal. The eye rotted eye i just mentioned could have inspired the black eye detail.
One specific character of that I think could drive home this theory is the color. Burnt carnie is a muted brown with white char accents. But if you were to scrape all of burnt plastic off, you be left with a black tarnished metal. Notice that lefty is not solid black, but a metalic, gun metal black.
I think it is possibe that lefty is either a repaired version of carnie, with it's new design based on the chared scraps of the original, or lefty was a completely different animatronic who's build was inspired by the remains of his counterpart.
By the location of Fazer Blast and hint we see, I think that carnie was most likely a part of Fall Fest(most likely the 1970 event) if so, do you think it's possible that carnie was one of Henry's first animatronics. That was a whole decade before our first look at fredbears.
Whether or not Fredbear's opened before 1983. I highly doubt that it was an establishment before 1970. I noticed that there is no sign of Freddy’s or Fredbear's on the poster. Which leads me to believe that this fall fest may have predated everything.
The running theory is that the mediocre melodies were his first animatronics, made to rip off Freddy’s fame. But being that we see an animatronic a decade before that, that closely resembles one of his final animatronics. It really seems that carnie could be his first.
Here's some food for thought. Henry has been deemed a copycat in the early timeline for the mediocre melodies. But if he made his first BEAR animatronic at a children's theme event in 1970, is he really the copycat? If William stole the idea and made Fredbear's, and Fredbear's became as big as it did. No one would bat an eye at a small carnival with a simple bear animatronic.
I don't know if I like this idea, but I'm just throwing everything I got to see what sticks. Is it possible that William set the carnival on fire to one, preventing it from becoming more successful. And two, to take that idea and reuse it for himself. I don't think he was pure evil at this point, or really evil at all. But it's still just a thought.
I don't really think that lefty is a remade carnie. I think it's possible that the design could have been inspired by the withered design. But I doubt that they put that much thought into a connection like that.
I am pretty confident, though, that carnie was most likely the first and that Henry was never really the copycat. But more so, tried to reclaim the ideas stolen from him later on after William's fame.
Help wanted 2 seems like an archive of "Jeremy's" Memories, we possibly see earlier timeline events from his pov, and we see more current events, lefty coming from carnie would make sense. I feel like theres something to figure out about lefty still though, the shushing and the voice, who is it if not charlotte? Is it Cassidy? Do we even believe in cassidy anymore 😭
Lefty may just be Carnie. The bear was just a repurposed animatronic made to catch the Puppet. Would also explain the black fur, it's not fur it's the charred remains of the original
I've seen comments like "tHeY uAEd ThE SAm moDEl beCAuSe tHey ARe lAZy. tHis iS wHy SW sHOuLd noT tAke oVER tHe fNaF" but I can say, that's not very very VERY ture.
This is almost certainly true because the carnival that carnie is in is supposed to be way back in the 70's. Henry for sure took carnie and turned it into lefty.
great work once again John no one's doing it like you
BRO--- MY HEART STARTED BEATING FAST AT "I recognise you" LINE!!! Seriously, it's a great theory!!
I got chills during this, This may be the hardest cooking I've seen from this fandom this year
8 WHOLE YEARS 😭 honestly I fully think this theory is correct, great video btw!
Love your content john! You're amazing! Thanks For this 🔥🔥🔥🔥
There were two bombshells (3:59, 5:36) that made me shudder and laugh from the connections you drew, and you absolutely earned that "Ultimate Need More Proof."
I’ve always placed that as being Willam because, he’s definitely been down there and they distinctly say they think it’s a guy who’s gotten out and probably looks like Mike if their questioning if it’s the same person and they think it’s William as they game goes on anyway.
i am super here for this actually!! theres a lot of good evidence and it ties up that "who was there before mike" loose thread that i had somehow completely forgotten about hahaha. I love a good bit of interconnectedness.
YAYYY THANKS JOHN FOR THE NEW FNAF THEORY VIDEO❤❤
Ok but. Top tier theory. It's a narrative that could totally be possible and it lines up so well with all the evidence you've put up. I remember how all of us were going bonkers at the hand unit speech at the help wanted 2 trailer and then we all forgot about it, but it makes so much sense tying it to Cassie's dad involvement in sister location. Kudos John
*Timestamps for the video*
Start: 0:00
End: 8:21
Another little thing that adds to the theory more of a story element
Is that William would want hire him to basically to get revenge for the bite of 83 knowing that he would be a major danger and it would be ironic that he would have died to an animatronic character just like the crying child.
8?!? THAT CAN’T BE RIGHT
"Need more proof" got to be my new favorite line.
Yknow when FuhNaff posts a theory video your minds about to be a blown
Exactly at 8:20 their is letters and if u decipher it it spells "Next weekend... be ebadz"
Omg posted just in time for me to watch as I go to sleep
When i clicked the video i hoped it would be of the FNaF 4 box at the end of the game lmao
First🎉🎉 there's also the fact that in the books some woman's house is built on top of sister location or so,etching and someone was down there or got stuck there, can't fully remember
8 years to solve, 8 mins to tell the tale
8 years?!
I agree 100% with the theory, I think it makes a lot of sense from numerous points of view and lines up with many things. The obly question left in my mind is "so what?" "why does this matter?" "woukd they really put that much effort and detail just for a nugget of inconsequential information?" and things like that. Great theory though!
I am very hopeful that we will get what happened to all of Michael's old "friends" who are connected to a specific animatronic and what their stories will be as adults(if they all even made it to adulthood).
The Losers Club
@@Lazurit8 LOL
I don’t understand how Scott Cawthon makes games so connected
Asking open-ended questions and retcon
I ran the code at the end through a disk cypher and got:
NEXTWEEKENDBEREADY
Now the new theory is why they didint just use one of the dead technicians to leave
we got people connected with the aftons and robots mimicking them i honestly just want the aftons back so bad
Bro I remember those Sis Loc streams 🤩
So much better than MatPat, no unnecessary talk, just for that alone you get a sub
0:21 THE SUBSCRIBE BUTTON GLOWED?!
I think it does that when they say to sub it also does it to the like button when they say to like
Why aren’t you subscribed to John.
8:19 the code reads at the top left corner: "Next weeknd..be ready" in Caesar cipher. Looking forward for it!
Keep up the good work!
This goat always finds the hidden treasures Scott has left behind. Great video John! You really are the next Mat for Fnaf❤️🔥
I don't think Cassies dad is Bonnie bully, at this point I'm fully convinced that people are being gathered who share traits/look like people from the past, its a mass recreation with people. It's telling us that princess quest ending is putting things together that has happened before
Yeah
It's Michael who was in sister location, like it's confirmed in game
Ur theories are always so satisfiying when it answers age old untied holes, i love it
Fuhnaf: the final mystery solvd
Me:what about the mysterious springlock suit
That one's very mysterious too
@@Cherryblossom4kelly and the placement of it in the time line
7:53 this feels like a really big stretch in an otherwise pretty great video
8:20 “next weekend…be ready ”AAAAAAAAAA
The “I recognize you” gave me goose bumps idk why :D
what a great theory
I love the idea that when Scott and Steel Wool put a Sisyer Location reference in the game, they just watch as we write it off entirely, and go "Dammit, they still don't get it."
This is what we have to do in order to get a little close to the full story short steps
The “I recognize you” made it fricking direct and makes it be believable
He's going to argue that Cassie's dad went down into the Sister Location bunker to explain the wrench door on the wall thing, isn't he?
@confusingzark I did watch the video. I wrote the comment while watching.