True but it's a lot easier to do when you select an existing design already in production. If they had said we want this gun but change the mag release to a button, change the sights, make it shorter, change the safety, and oh yeah, we want it chambered in our own 9.47mm x 25mm cartridge, well the thing would still be in development to this day, LOL.
Yes most of the time it's like: "The first model proposed for the trial was a 10 models series issued in 1937, but it was rejected because they didn't like this feature. So, by the end of the year by December they proposed a second version with improved parts, but lost against its competitor in 1939. But when its competitor was adopted the war broke out, so all orders were cancelled because the country was invaded. So it was unadopted by spring 1939 and they finally adopted this second model instead of this one. But in the meantime the factory has been bought by a different brand and the designer who worked on the gun passed-away so they, had to enrol new designer in summer 1939 to redesign the model to adapt to war period production needs. The first batch of these guns was issued to troops in February 1940."
The best pistol ever produced in my personal opinion! I was issued One of these bad boy’s my entire Army career, carried it on all of My tours to Afghanistan as as a personal defence pistol. A large portion of Danish solsiders was issued it on tour of duty. I f***ing loved that gun. I have never had a misfire, or a malfunction on that pistol. When i did “reschooling” (it’s the Danish military term for traninig end Education) On it, My shooting instructor who was a pistol sport shooting competetor and instructor, was pretty impressed with me, i could lay Down targets at 35 - 45 meters in low-ready quickdraw while moving in low phrone. At first he thought it was luck, so he made me do the shooting course three times, upping the distances every run. I still did it all times. (I was a competition schooter for 8 years prior to joining the army) Fun fackt, the slide releas actually doubles as a pin remover, you youse the end of it to push the pin in, and you can then remove the backplate Holding in the pin and then remove the pin and mechanisem.
Ok now the Swiss sell an "upgrade" to the hammer spring nut that rubs on the frame of the P210. I was told that the nut eventually can create a hole in the frame from the action. The upgrade is called the Kessler 210 impact spring nut Match. It runs on rollers instead and does not damage the frame. Is it worth the upgrade?
Fun fact: we Swiss do a lot of competitive target shooting with our service firearms. In the "service pistol" category, you can basically compete with pretty much all pistols that are used or have been used in any Swiss service (Army, Customs, Police...). So you may participate with a Glock 17 or 19, a Sig Sauer P220, P228 or P226, and many more. But if you want to win the competition... then you have only one choice: the Sig P210. That pistol is just one class of accuracy above anything else. Even a CZ75 is way behind.
For Those who want to know which pistol won the pistol trials it was the Sig P320 and will become the standard service pistol for all branches of the Royal Danish Defence Forces
Sig is probably gonna win the contract for the new rifles in the US military too. I don't see how they couldn't at this point. They already use sig as their side arm. I forget which model tho.
Definitely one of the best. Never really had a chance to look at one. I did not know about the self contained fire control group. Very good idea to borrow. Glad the guns are out there and at least somewhat available. Great video as always. Thank you
I had one as I still were in active service at the Danish airforce. I got a brand new one and I must say it's one of the finest pistols I've ever shot. Precise and with a good weight balance..
When Ian put's out a video on a Danish Weapon. You know you're gonna be in for a threat ! This is the only handgun I have been shooting (My dad was a Flight Surgeon with the rank of Major in the Danish Airforce)
The Sig P210, to me, is the Rolls Royce among all service pistols ever made. Personal opinion based on experience. Thank you Ian. I hate you actually :) for you get to play with some of the rarest of specimens :) Keep up the good work
To anyone interested: The SIG P210/M49 Neuhausen is still in service in the Danish military. The Danish military has however ordered for a new service pistol to be selected, and trials will begin later this year, I believe. Among the competitors for the new service pistol is the Canik TP9, Glock 17, SIG P320, S&W MP 2.0 and the Beretta APX. It hasn't been removed from service, because it really is such a high-quality firearm. It is very easy to repair in the field, and very comfortable for most people to shoot. However these days the M/49 doesn't live up to what a "modern" service pistol should do; for example it cannot be equipped with lights or laser sights, or optical equipment. It also only holds 8 rounds, which is inadequate for modern use. Now it is to say that the Danish military has issued modern service pistols such as the Glock 17 to many of the soldiers, and some of the special forces use a Glock 20.
Not in this case. The army is specifically looking to replace the hammer fired M/49 with a striker fired gun, so that once you pull out your sidearm there's less hassle to get a round off (Working under the assumption that, when you pull your sidearm out it's because you NEED to fire a round). Also, picatinny rails for addition of lights/laser.
HTK and FKF is the samme organization, the army ordenance unit. It was named HTK in 1909 and renamed FKF in 1951 and then renamed back to HTK again in 1962. This is why the Neuhausers have different markings - it was simply delivered across a period in which the unit was renamed.
Am currently working at a NATO base in Afghanistan and the Danes, here, are carrying these pistols!!!!! Some with the bakelite/plastic grips and some have wood grips. Don't know if any are vintage. BTW.....the Australians carry FN High Power pistols with Ambidextrous safeties.
As far as I know, only a few number og danish P210 are not vintage. For some odd reason, in 1975 they acquired a small number of P210 sporting-pistols. Never seen one though.
The M1 garand was used until 1975 in by the Danish army .I was in the Danish army in 1985 in the artilleri at that time the M1 garant was still used by the artilleri and by the Royal guard . I believe they were replaced
Peder Kristensen Heh! Unfortunately the Royal Life Guards' are NOT the M1 Garand or an equivalent! It looks so stupid watching those uniforms from 1658 wielding weapons from around 1995... If the Swiss Guard can protect the Pope with Hellebards (and a large arsenal on standby in the armoury), I believe we can protect our monarchy with Garands or the Lee-Enfields, the Sirius Patrol uses.
@@acresir Its not so much carrying a modern rifle as how ridiculous it looks when grounding a carbine (order arms) with 6 inches to go. And while very fond of the M1 and own one, it was a bitch to carry as "post for gevaer"
This is a really good looking gun. I hope the person who buys it realize it and use it at its full potential! Nice video as always Ian! I'm a huge fan from Brasil!
When you see a P210 video and browse an online auction site and the first P210 you come across is an anniversary model for over 4.000 bucks. Feels bad.
Loved mine. Nice to have in Kabul 2003. The only downside was the small magasin. Very precise. But doesn't matter that much in CQB. It's finally been replaced by SIG Sauer M320.
The Browning High Power was also in the game. Ordered in 1940, but, because of the war, FN first could deliver in 1946, which then became the designation, M/46. From "Materielbekendgørelse 112.113". (Technical description). Don't know why it was dropped, might not have been strong enough to handle the standard danish 9 mm ammo. The book contains a warning. Had 24224 as service pistol
Seems like the Danish have a taste for fine handguns. The M40 Husqvarna (Lahti) pistols they procured have very nice triggers, sights, and general handling in spite of the strength issues caused by wartime steel. Fitting that they’d move on from it to this beautiful piece.
On the stamps and serials. HTK was the Army Technical Corps, in 1950 a series of centralisations happend, that then turned into the Defence Materiel Command (FKF) Later it turned back to the army, now know as HMAK (Army Materiel command) and guns with these stamps have been refurbished (usually parkerised, as opposed to blued finishes) Lastly there is a second typ, with a chamber-indicator and a hammerdropper in the safety. I think its known as P M/49/1
Man, i loved The SIG P210 - most of My colleagues hated it, but I learned to use it propably as a tactikal side arm.. The New p320 is awesome, but some times i still miss The old one 🙄
We're happy you spoke about the P210 finaly! I have a question. I have a P210/2(Army) and it have a magazine safety so basically if you try to pull the trigger without a magazine(doesn't mater if empty or loaded) the sear will not engage. Now in your video I didn't saw the magazine when you was releasing the hammer. Maybe I saw wrong, maybe is a difference between the Swiss one and the Danish one. Thank you for your amazing work and I hope maybe one day you will come to Switzerland to have a look arround.
In Europe, the 210 has a solid reputation as the best large caliber target shooting pistol, on a par with a bespoke 1911, maybe, but unlike the 1911 you don't tune these. You shoot them as is, they grow crisper with age.
A fun side note, when the danish army wanted to get a new more modern gun. namely because of reducing number of pistol due to wear and tear. they stared a trail to find a successor but in the meantime they found many pistols in a war storage and ended the trail early. the m/49 sig has only just this year (2019) found a successor (SIG P320)
Service pistol M/49 also known as "The Neuhausen" is still in service and will remain so until 2019, where it will be superseded by the SIG 320. My dad bought a .22 conversion kit for his service M/49. A lot of Rooks through the years were shot in a way of population control and brought home for dinner.
FKF and HTK were basically the same. During 1952-1961 HTK was renamed to FKF. After 1967 everything was renamed/remodeled to HMAK, which again was replaced by FMI in 2006. All in all - same thing different name. The military do like their acronyms.
Hi, it's not exactly like a Swiss P49 (P210-2). If I'm not mistaken the danish contracts don't have the magazine safety. The german police ones (210-4) don't have it either.
VxNemesis Used it as my issued service sidearm 1960 to 2001, well, on and off, as a reserveofficer being reactivated on a regular basis. ALL M/49 had the mag safety..
HTK was a Danish army technical department which oversaw the selection. There were three deliveries in total. The first and the second has HTF mark (16 607 pistols) and the last one has FKF (3600 pistols). The biggest difference between these deliveries is that the last delivery has a plastic grip, the latter has a wooden grip. Serial numbers for the first two are 0001-16607 and for the third one are 16608 - 20 207. All information provided here are based on this article of the Czech Military History Institute Prague; www.vhu.cz/exhibit/danska-armadni-pistole-m49-sig-p-210/
FKF stands for Forsvarets Krigsmateriel Forvaltning - The Defense's War Materiel Administration. This P49 Neuhausen was my service gun in the airforce 👍🏻
And everybody in the Danish army would refer to the gun as Neuhauser. I suspect, to avoid confusion with the MP 49 submachinegun also adopted that year.
Kinda surprising that the modular fire control unit never caught on in large military service until just now with the P320. It seems like a home run logistically, and we all know the US loves its logistics.
Fun fact: The m49 was actually in use as the ‘main pistol’ in the danish military until 2019 when they finally switched it out with the SIG P320 x-carry.
You forgot one important technical feature of the Danish version. It had a stronger spring so that it would work well with the heavier loaded ammo for the SMG which had a V0 of approx. 400m/sec. If you used what was "standard" at the time it might not reload properly.
Hi Ian great video as always. I have a quick question about pistols and pistol sights such as the red dot you had on the glock during the HAH 2gun. My question is given the violence of the motion imparted on a slide mounted sight why do more companies not design pistols to use a slide similar to the Desert Eagle or Maxim 9 to leave static space on the top of the pistol for a sight to be mounted to, does it have some undesired effects on the pistols mechanics to do this? Thanks.
Have used for many years in the Danish Army, stil serving for the 36th years .. it's a fantastic gun, but lacks the modern guns bullet capacity in the magasin ..
The distinguish is time. The departments changed name over time. I had this as my service pistol when i was deployed.. Its a joy to shoot on the range.. but far from a tactical weapon. We are finally in the midst of getting a new service pistol...
I'm danish. You would almost believe that FKF "unofficially" stood for "For Konge og Fædreland" which means "For King and Fatherland". Which is a popular motto of the danish defense forces. Just putting that out there.
Regarding the stamps: I'm not entirely sure why the corps changed it's name to FKF for about 10 years, but I'm guessing they did some re-organizing and thought "Krigsmateriel" (War Equipment) sounded appropiate after WW II and then thought better of it. 1909-1951 Hærens Tekniske Korps - HTK 1952-1961 Forsvarets Krigsmateriel Forvaltning - FKF 1962-1966 Hærens Tekniske Korps - HTK 1967-2006 Hærens Materielkommando - HMAK 2007- Forsvarets Materieltjeneste - FMT
This isn't really a forgotten weapon? It's still the primary handgun in the Danish military, only recently started looking into replacing it. Also, it is traditionally called the "Neuheusen". Thanks for the video anyway!
Your point is lost on me entirely. I'm not sure how the number of recruits and conscripts who come into contact with a pistol has any bearing on whether or not the weapon is forgotten, the weapon was still used by the rest of us, and still is! Whether or not I can find a better channel seems wholly irrelevant. The reason I mention that it is not a forgotten weapon is because he failed to do so - it's a channel for "Forgotten Weapons" after all, and when he reviews a weapon still in use, he tends to remark that he is deviating from his usual review pattern.
You should start add related video links on each videos. I've being subscriber since almost a year and a half, and I've watched dozens of older videos since then, but there are a lot more...
I jusy CAN NOT for the love of me understand why they'd rather give up an extra 8 rounds (twice the ammo) on a full sized service postol because "the bulkier grips mad it less accurate?" Was it really THAT much of an inconvenience to sacrifice such an amazing advantage over just about EVERYONE else at that time? And its a BEAUTIFUL gun too!
At the time 1949, double stack mags, were in their infancy and therefore not reliable ! No way, were the Swiss, going to mess up, the Rolex of 9mm incredibly accurate handguns, with an unreliable mag !
Back in the day, the Danish police was equiped with Walther PPK pistols, in 7,65. It was deemed to small a caliper for use in airports, so for this, the police borrowed P210s from the army. BUT... It has no hammer safety, and no half-cock, and they were obliged to cary with a cartrdge in the chamber. So, on several occasions it happened that the seatbelt caught the hammer, and the policeman got shot in the leg.
Ian as a lefty myself I have a question; does it feel backwards to you to shoot a pistol right handed? I shoulder a rifle right handed but shoot a bow left handed yet a pistol has never felt off either way to me.
Husqvarna is Swedish not Finnish. Had my own M/49 for 14 years -2008 in The Royal Danish Air Force. Brought it to Afghanistan in 2005. Shoots well and doesn't require much service.
If it is copyrighted by a publisher it could have been monetized or flagged. I'm glad he removed it. It was kind of loud and jarring in the wrong setting and if the volume wasn't muted or lowered.
It did give his videos that old VHS documentary/old school history channel vibe... But I think he changed it when he slightly rebranded the channel last year. He made a lot of subtle changes and updated everything.
dear Ian: I HOPE Rock Island is giving you some kickback for the sales of the guns you publicize in your videos and bring to the attention of these wakko collectors who have more money than brains. It is getting to be like the exotic car market: The prices of old cars is so high only the billionaires can afford to own them . About ten years ago I tried to buy one of these Sig 210 pistols and found out that they were so popular I would have to pay at least $1000. Canadian for one . This one you reviewed (The Danish Mod 49), sold for almost $4000.US dollars. You can't be blamed for the foolishness of others, but remember next time you go to buy an old firearm that it was YOU who set the forces in motion which raised the price so high!
IIRC my servicepistol was numbered 2250, must have been one of the first issued. BTW I think 27.000 is an awful lot considering the Danish armed forces (Army, Navy, Air Force) wouldn't exceed 100.000 fully mobilised. The Home Guard would in cold war days add another 60-70.000 but I don't think they had pistols for anybody but a few staff cadre.
The gun is still in service today, but right now, the Danish army is testing some new guns. Anyhow the m/49 neuhauser have had a very long service ind the danish army. :D sadly i never tried it.
Sphinx (Swiss manufacturer, now bancrupt) and Tanfoglio (Italian) are somewhat derivates of the CZ75-model and also feature inner rails. Inner rails are not exclusive.
Why is the metal of the frame below the ejection port in such a rough shape (oxidised)? Is this particular to this gun, poor maintenance, or is there another cause?
It has now been replaced by the Sig 320, not sure if the remaining P210's went to the "National Guard" or sold or destroyed or what though...Hopefully they didn't destroy them.
'Tested in 1948, adopted in 1948, delivered in 1948' - now that is kind of thing you do not hear often on this channel
True but it's a lot easier to do when you select an existing design already in production. If they had said we want this gun but change the mag release to a button, change the sights, make it shorter, change the safety, and oh yeah, we want it chambered in our own 9.47mm x 25mm cartridge, well the thing would still be in development to this day, LOL.
Swiss, though ;)
Very good at telling time and killing time.
Yes most of the time it's like:
"The first model proposed for the trial was a 10 models series issued in 1937, but it was rejected because they didn't like this feature. So, by the end of the year by December they proposed a second version with improved parts, but lost against its competitor in 1939. But when its competitor was adopted the war broke out, so all orders were cancelled because the country was invaded. So it was unadopted by spring 1939 and they finally adopted this second model instead of this one. But in the meantime the factory has been bought by a different brand and the designer who worked on the gun passed-away so they, had to enrol new designer in summer 1939 to redesign the model to adapt to war period production needs. The first batch of these guns was issued to troops in February 1940."
When the Japanese and Brits aren't involved.
The best pistol ever produced in my personal opinion!
I was issued One of these bad boy’s my entire Army career, carried it on all of My tours to Afghanistan as as a personal defence pistol.
A large portion of Danish solsiders was issued it on tour of duty.
I f***ing loved that gun.
I have never had a misfire, or a malfunction on that pistol.
When i did “reschooling” (it’s the Danish military term for traninig end Education)
On it, My shooting instructor who was a pistol sport shooting competetor and instructor, was pretty impressed with me, i could lay Down targets at 35 - 45 meters in low-ready quickdraw while moving in low phrone.
At first he thought it was luck, so he made me do the shooting course three times, upping the distances every run.
I still did it all times.
(I was a competition schooter for 8 years prior to joining the army)
Fun fackt, the slide releas actually doubles as a pin remover, you youse the end of it to push the pin in, and you can then remove the backplate Holding in the pin and then remove the pin and mechanisem.
Ok now the Swiss sell an "upgrade" to the hammer spring nut that rubs on the frame of the P210. I was told that the nut eventually can create a hole in the frame from the action. The upgrade is called the Kessler 210 impact spring nut Match. It runs on rollers instead and does not damage the frame. Is it worth the upgrade?
Fun fact: we Swiss do a lot of competitive target shooting with our service firearms. In the "service pistol" category, you can basically compete with pretty much all pistols that are used or have been used in any Swiss service (Army, Customs, Police...). So you may participate with a Glock 17 or 19, a Sig Sauer P220, P228 or P226, and many more. But if you want to win the competition... then you have only one choice: the Sig P210. That pistol is just one class of accuracy above anything else. Even a CZ75 is way behind.
CZ75 had shit recoil and accuracy last time i played counter strike, but the fire rate is great and nice at close ranges
@@Juuk-D how is that relevant
Oh is that how some police departments justified getting the Sphinx 2000 ;)
@@jannerantanen5121 true its a game...
@@Helltanz98 ou yes i forgott our Sphinxs ;)
In the Danish Army we also just called it "The Neuhausen". SIG is/was located in the city of Neuhausen. Just for your info :)
Survival Russia - Hi Lars! You are also a follower of Gun Jesus! Nice seeing you here, love your videos. Greetings from Denmark!
Lars for helvede.
Det er *Doktor* Neuhausen for dig.
Omg! Det er Lars! Hej Lars! Godt du kom!
Hvem er Lars forresten?
For Those who want to know which pistol won the pistol trials it was the Sig P320 and will become the standard service pistol for all branches of the Royal Danish Defence Forces
Sig is probably gonna win the contract for the new rifles in the US military too. I don't see how they couldn't at this point. They already use sig as their side arm. I forget which model tho.
A gorgeous piece of hardware. The Swiss know how to make them.
It really is an elegant looking pistol.
n0la the most gorgeous ones are the swiss military ones with a beautiful wooden grip
Yep the ease of maintenance is hugely impressive, but the thing looks so well built that i doubt many of them ever had any issues anyway.
SIG is a German company.
Rudolf S
There is a lot in a name: Schweizerische Industrie Gesellschaft
But yes, technically it's also a German company.
Definitely one of the best. Never really had a chance to look at one. I did not know about the self contained fire control group. Very good idea to borrow. Glad the guns are out there and at least somewhat available. Great video as always. Thank you
I had one as I still were in active service at the Danish airforce. I got a brand new one and I must say it's one of the finest pistols I've ever shot.
Precise and with a good weight balance..
@Dalle Smalhals Nah, not an expert. There are others far more experienced with that matter, but I know a thing or two. :)
When Ian put's out a video on a Danish Weapon. You know you're gonna be in for a threat ! This is the only handgun I have been shooting (My dad was a Flight Surgeon with the rank of Major in the Danish Airforce)
The Sig P210, to me, is the Rolls Royce among all service pistols ever made. Personal opinion based on experience. Thank you Ian. I hate you actually :) for you get to play with some of the rarest of specimens :) Keep up the good work
To anyone interested:
The SIG P210/M49 Neuhausen is still in service in the Danish military. The Danish military has however ordered for a new service pistol to be selected, and trials will begin later this year, I believe.
Among the competitors for the new service pistol is the Canik TP9, Glock 17, SIG P320, S&W MP 2.0 and the Beretta APX.
It hasn't been removed from service, because it really is such a high-quality firearm. It is very easy to repair in the field, and very comfortable for most people to shoot. However these days the M/49 doesn't live up to what a "modern" service pistol should do; for example it cannot be equipped with lights or laser sights, or optical equipment. It also only holds 8 rounds, which is inadequate for modern use.
Now it is to say that the Danish military has issued modern service pistols such as the Glock 17 to many of the soldiers, and some of the special forces use a Glock 20.
Fun fact: The M/49 is still in active service today and will first be fully replaced by 2019-2020...
Trials for replacement pistols going on soon, 5 competitors have been found: The Beretta APX, Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0, Glock 17, Sig P320, Canik TP9
Not in this case. The army is specifically looking to replace the hammer fired M/49 with a striker fired gun, so that once you pull out your sidearm there's less hassle to get a round off (Working under the assumption that, when you pull your sidearm out it's because you NEED to fire a round).
Also, picatinny rails for addition of lights/laser.
I think they should just pick the Glock and be done with it.
That way they can share magazines with the Northmen and Svears.
Not only that, if the army adopts the Glock 17 they'll have adopted the same service pistol as the MPs, Jægers and Frogmen.
There is something wonderfully "all-round" about a Glock 17.
HTK and FKF is the samme organization, the army ordenance unit. It was named HTK in 1909 and renamed FKF in 1951 and then renamed back to HTK again in 1962. This is why the Neuhausers have different markings - it was simply delivered across a period in which the unit was renamed.
It was then called HMAK and now FMT, right?
I’m getting a little bit emotional right now as it was my service pistol until just half a year ago with the RDAF and AF Homeguard 😍
That is a beautiful piece of engineering.
"A little bit of decent target shooting" what an understatement :) comme to Switzerland and you'll see a little bit of that target shooting!
the finest 9 mm pistol I ever shot. Rolex of pistols.
That safety sounds so satisfying. Looks like a pretty great pistol to be honest.
Am currently working at a NATO base in Afghanistan and the Danes, here, are carrying these pistols!!!!! Some with the bakelite/plastic grips and some have wood grips. Don't know if any are vintage. BTW.....the Australians carry FN High Power pistols with Ambidextrous safeties.
jason60chev maybe they'll trade for some delicious American MRE's
As far as I know, only a few number og danish P210 are not vintage. For some odd reason, in 1975 they acquired a small number of P210 sporting-pistols. Never seen one though.
we'll replace them in 2019, after 70 years of service
@@bjarkehansen4911 , shot with it last month, it's awesome.
I've got a lovely M1 Garand made by Beretta after WW2 that has the same Danish FKF stamp on it as well.
The M1 garand was used until 1975 in by the Danish army .I was in the Danish army in 1985 in the artilleri at that time the M1 garant was still used by the artilleri and by the Royal guard . I believe they were replaced
Peder Kristensen Heh! Unfortunately the Royal Life Guards' are NOT the M1 Garand or an equivalent!
It looks so stupid watching those uniforms from 1658 wielding weapons from around 1995...
If the Swiss Guard can protect the Pope with Hellebards (and a large arsenal on standby in the armoury), I believe we can protect our monarchy with Garands or the Lee-Enfields, the Sirius Patrol uses.
Rather have them wield Krag-Jørgensen 1889's...
@@acresir Its not so much carrying a modern rifle as how ridiculous it looks when grounding a carbine (order arms) with 6 inches to go. And while very fond of the M1 and own one, it was a bitch to carry as "post for gevaer"
@@acresir Sirius is using Springfield 1903, not Enfields... Same ammo (30.06) as our M1 (Gevær M/50).
When I was a conscript in the Danish navy we carried it fully cocked and secured.
This is a really good looking gun. I hope the person who buys it realize it and use it at its full potential! Nice video as always Ian! I'm a huge fan from Brasil!
Fun fact:
The m/49 Neuhausen, only just got replaced by the danish military in 2018/2019, by the Sig Sauer P320.
These are simply amazing pistols. I’d love to own one. Cheers! 🥃😎
When you see a P210 video and browse an online auction site and the first P210 you come across is an anniversary model for over 4.000 bucks. Feels bad.
Loved mine. Nice to have in Kabul 2003. The only downside was the small magasin. Very precise. But doesn't matter that much in CQB. It's finally been replaced by SIG Sauer M320.
In cold weather the change of the magazine can be painful. But every shot is good. It is therefore suitable for 8 enemies in the mountains. ;)
Most accurate center fire pistol I ever shot. Great gun.
The Browning High Power was also in the game. Ordered in 1940, but, because of the war, FN first could deliver in 1946, which then became the designation, M/46. From "Materielbekendgørelse 112.113". (Technical description). Don't know why it was dropped, might not have been strong enough to handle the standard danish 9 mm ammo. The book contains a warning.
Had 24224 as service pistol
Seems like the Danish have a taste for fine handguns. The M40 Husqvarna (Lahti) pistols they procured have very nice triggers, sights, and general handling in spite of the strength issues caused by wartime steel. Fitting that they’d move on from it to this beautiful piece.
A masterpiece of Swiss engineering.
I wish Sig still made the 210. Original production models are so expensive I'll never get to shoot one =[
FromPlsNerf then my friend rejoice, they put it vack in to production. It will be called the p210 legend
1: Go to Denmark. 2: Become a citizen. 3: Join the army.
= Mandatory 210 shooting practice.
FromPlsNerf maybe look in Switzerland u can find some for a couple of hundred Euros
It legitimately may be easier cheaper, though not really easier, to jump through the hoops and import one yourself. It is possible, just complicated
Sig Sauer still produces it
On the stamps and serials. HTK was the Army Technical Corps, in 1950 a series of centralisations happend, that then turned into the Defence Materiel Command (FKF)
Later it turned back to the army, now know as HMAK (Army Materiel command) and guns with these stamps have been refurbished (usually parkerised, as opposed to blued finishes)
Lastly there is a second typ, with a chamber-indicator and a hammerdropper in the safety. I think its known as P M/49/1
Gotta love Switzerland and their weapon procurement.
Man, i loved The SIG P210 - most of My colleagues hated it, but I learned to use it propably as a tactikal side arm.. The New p320 is awesome, but some times i still miss The old one 🙄
I've been trained in using the M/49 during my service in the RDAF! :)
We're happy you spoke about the P210 finaly! I have a question. I have a P210/2(Army) and it have a magazine safety so basically if you try to pull the trigger without a magazine(doesn't mater if empty or loaded) the sear will not engage. Now in your video I didn't saw the magazine when you was releasing the hammer. Maybe I saw wrong, maybe is a difference between the Swiss one and the Danish one.
Thank you for your amazing work and I hope maybe one day you will come to Switzerland to have a look arround.
The German issued one doesn't have a magazine safety. I have one.
Be nice to see a comparison of service pistols of various period like WW1, WW2 and post WW2 across the nations of Europe.
I fucking LOVE that gun, NeuhausenP210 - m/49 is the pistol I've done most of my pistol shooting with
FKF stands for "Forsvarets Krigs Forvaltning"
In Europe, the 210 has a solid reputation as the best large caliber target shooting pistol, on a par with a bespoke 1911, maybe, but unlike the 1911 you don't tune these. You shoot them as is, they grow crisper with age.
A fun side note, when the danish army wanted to get a new more modern gun. namely because of reducing number of pistol due to wear and tear. they stared a trail to find a successor but in the meantime they found many pistols in a war storage and ended the trail early. the m/49 sig has only just this year (2019) found a successor (SIG P320)
Nice pistol. I did shoot bronche mark with such a pistol, without much training when i was captain in the Danish homeguard the late 1980ies
Service pistol M/49 also known as "The Neuhausen" is still in service and will remain so until 2019, where it will be superseded by the SIG 320.
My dad bought a .22 conversion kit for his service M/49. A lot of Rooks through the years were shot in a way of population control and brought home for dinner.
A original 210 is on my bucket list. Such a nice shooting pistol.
FKF and HTK were basically the same. During 1952-1961 HTK was renamed to FKF. After 1967 everything was renamed/remodeled to HMAK, which again was replaced by FMI in 2006.
All in all - same thing different name. The military do like their acronyms.
Hah, last I saw was FMT (Forsvarets Materiel Tjeneste).
Hi, it's not exactly like a Swiss P49 (P210-2). If I'm not mistaken the danish contracts don't have the magazine safety.
The german police ones (210-4) don't have it either.
VxNemesis Used it as my issued service sidearm 1960 to 2001, well, on and off, as a reserveofficer being reactivated on a regular basis. ALL M/49 had the mag safety..
Gorgeous piece.
I guess the removable FCU concept isn't exactly new for SIG!
We still use these, but are currently looking for a new one. great pistol though!
The Master Sergeant in my unit called it The Doctor or Doctor Neuhausen... as it "cured all diseases"! : )
Mund til munding...
@@fearthedarkduck : )
An elegant weapon from a more civilized age
Keep up the good work.
Here are the Danish-language acronyms disclosed... FKF: Forsvarets Krigsmaterial Forvalning. HTK: Hærens Tekniske Korps.
HTK was a Danish army technical department which oversaw the selection. There were three deliveries in total. The first and the second has HTF mark (16 607 pistols) and the last one has FKF (3600 pistols). The biggest difference between these deliveries is that the last delivery has a plastic grip, the latter has a wooden grip. Serial numbers for the first two are 0001-16607 and for the third one are 16608 - 20 207. All information provided here are based on this article of the Czech Military History Institute Prague; www.vhu.cz/exhibit/danska-armadni-pistole-m49-sig-p-210/
They are the same, the name just changed in 1952. Wikipedia entry in Danish: da.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A6rens_Tekniske_Korps
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FKF stands for Forsvarets Krigsmateriel Forvaltning - The Defense's War Materiel Administration. This P49 Neuhausen was my service gun in the airforce 👍🏻
And everybody in the Danish army would refer to the gun as Neuhauser. I suspect, to avoid confusion with the MP 49 submachinegun also adopted that year.
SIG Neuhausen P 210 !
it's a nice looking pistol, it really does remind me of the 1911.
Ian the first post WWII Danish pistol was the Browning Hi-Power (M1946) I have one.
Kinda surprising that the modular fire control unit never caught on in large military service until just now with the P320. It seems like a home run logistically, and we all know the US loves its logistics.
IKR
The sucessor to the m/49 has been found, it will be the SIG P320.
Fun fact: The m49 was actually in use as the ‘main pistol’ in the danish military until 2019 when they finally switched it out with the SIG P320 x-carry.
@Dalle Smalhals rolig bror
The Danish military procured a number of .22 conversion kits for these as well.
now it's gonna be replaced here in 2019 with the Sig P320 X-carry
You forgot one important technical feature of the Danish version. It had a stronger spring so that it would work well with the heavier loaded ammo for the SMG which had a V0 of approx. 400m/sec.
If you used what was "standard" at the time it might not reload properly.
Hi Ian great video as always. I have a quick question about pistols and pistol sights such as the red dot you had on the glock during the HAH 2gun. My question is given the violence of the motion imparted on a slide mounted sight why do more companies not design pistols to use a slide similar to the Desert Eagle or Maxim 9 to leave static space on the top of the pistol for a sight to be mounted to, does it have some undesired effects on the pistols mechanics to do this? Thanks.
Have used for many years in the Danish Army, stil serving for the 36th years .. it's a fantastic gun, but lacks the modern guns bullet capacity in the magasin ..
Great looking pistol. I really like that
The distinguish is time. The departments changed name over time. I had this as my service pistol when i was deployed.. Its a joy to shoot on the range.. but far from a tactical weapon. We are finally in the midst of getting a new service pistol...
I'm danish. You would almost believe that FKF "unofficially" stood for "For Konge og Fædreland" which means "For King and Fatherland". Which is a popular motto of the danish defense forces. Just putting that out there.
FKF stands for Forsvarets Krigsmateriel Forvaltning - The Defense's War Materiel Administration🤗
thats a nice looking pistol
Regarding the stamps:
I'm not entirely sure why the corps changed it's name to FKF for about 10 years, but I'm guessing they did some re-organizing and thought "Krigsmateriel" (War Equipment) sounded appropiate after WW II and then thought better of it.
1909-1951 Hærens Tekniske Korps - HTK
1952-1961 Forsvarets Krigsmateriel Forvaltning - FKF
1962-1966 Hærens Tekniske Korps - HTK
1967-2006 Hærens Materielkommando - HMAK
2007- Forsvarets Materieltjeneste - FMT
Great looking gun. Reminds me visually of the MAC 50.
Well it is somewhat an evolution of the French 1935A and the MAC 50 is an evolution of the 1935A & 1935S so they definitely share some lineage.
Im not sure if anyone said it yet, but in 2019 the Danes adopted the Sig P320 X-carry for the military
This isn't really a forgotten weapon? It's still the primary handgun in the Danish military, only recently started looking into replacing it. Also, it is traditionally called the "Neuheusen". Thanks for the video anyway!
Your point is lost on me entirely. I'm not sure how the number of recruits and conscripts who come into contact with a pistol has any bearing on whether or not the weapon is forgotten, the weapon was still used by the rest of us, and still is! Whether or not I can find a better channel seems wholly irrelevant.
The reason I mention that it is not a forgotten weapon is because he failed to do so - it's a channel for "Forgotten Weapons" after all, and when he reviews a weapon still in use, he tends to remark that he is deviating from his usual review pattern.
You should start add related video links on each videos. I've being subscriber since almost a year and a half, and I've watched dozens of older videos since then, but there are a lot more...
He, it's the Beretta 1911, been looking for one.
I jusy CAN NOT for the love of me understand why they'd rather give up an extra 8 rounds (twice the ammo) on a full sized service postol because "the bulkier grips mad it less accurate?"
Was it really THAT much of an inconvenience to sacrifice such an amazing advantage over just about EVERYONE else at that time? And its a BEAUTIFUL gun too!
At the time 1949, double stack mags, were in their infancy and therefore not reliable ! No way, were the Swiss, going to mess up, the Rolex of 9mm incredibly accurate handguns, with an unreliable mag !
When they say 'They don't make them like they used to', this is what they're talking about.
Back in the day, the Danish police was equiped with Walther PPK pistols, in 7,65. It was deemed to small a caliper for use in airports, so for this, the police borrowed P210s from the army. BUT... It has no hammer safety, and no half-cock, and they were obliged to cary with a cartrdge in the chamber. So, on several occasions it happened that the seatbelt caught the hammer, and the policeman got shot in the leg.
It will be replaced with the sig P320.
It's correct the safety is a part of the holster.
Ian as a lefty myself I have a question; does it feel backwards to you to shoot a pistol right handed? I shoulder a rifle right handed but shoot a bow left handed yet a pistol has never felt off either way to me.
Very cool! Those Swiss, I tell ya...
Husqvarna is Swedish not Finnish.
Had my own M/49 for 14 years -2008 in The Royal Danish Air Force.
Brought it to Afghanistan in 2005.
Shoots well and doesn't require much service.
That audio is starting to get really low, I don't think I'll be able to hear you in a few more episodes...
Is there any chance that Karl and you can fire a couple of rounds with that gun?
in 1964 I read in "gun Digest" Get one of these pistols, go down to the shooting club, compete and walk away with all the prices!!
With prices like this for a used military pistol, I'll never be able to afford one.
This type of weapon inspired the fictional *hand-howitzer* pistol - which has a similar shape, but is larger - and is vastly more powerful.
Unrelated question, What happened to that old theme this channel had by Dylan Benson?
Not a fan of it anymore? I kinda liked the outro gingle.
If it is copyrighted by a publisher it could have been monetized or flagged.
I'm glad he removed it. It was kind of loud and jarring in the wrong setting and if the volume wasn't muted or lowered.
It did give his videos that old VHS documentary/old school history channel vibe... But I think he changed it when he slightly rebranded the channel last year. He made a lot of subtle changes and updated everything.
strange he say nothing about the sling belt handle (pardon my bad english here) its like the P38! or are there many more guns who have this ?
dear Ian:
I HOPE Rock Island is giving you some kickback for the sales of the guns you publicize in your videos and bring to the attention of these wakko collectors who have more money than brains. It is getting to be like the exotic car market: The prices of old cars is so high only the billionaires can afford to own them . About ten years ago I tried to buy one of these Sig 210 pistols and found out that they were so popular I would have to pay at least $1000. Canadian for one . This one you reviewed (The Danish Mod 49), sold for almost $4000.US dollars. You can't be blamed for the foolishness of others, but remember next time you go to buy an old firearm that it was YOU who set the forces in motion which raised the price so high!
I always learn something watch your video's
@forgotten weapons you should add annotations or direct links to your videos if you're going to reference them in your commentary
Did these pistols come with or without the magazine safety feature?
IIRC my servicepistol was numbered 2250, must have been one of the first issued. BTW I think 27.000 is an awful lot considering the Danish armed forces (Army, Navy, Air Force) wouldn't exceed 100.000 fully mobilised. The Home Guard would in cold war days add another 60-70.000 but I don't think they had pistols for anybody but a few staff cadre.
The gun is still in service today, but right now, the Danish army is testing some new guns. Anyhow the m/49 neuhauser have had a very long service ind the danish army. :D sadly i never tried it.
Inner rails ? Thought only CZ75 has them ..
This pistol is the CZ75's grandaddy.
Sphinx (Swiss manufacturer, now bancrupt) and Tanfoglio (Italian) are somewhat derivates of the CZ75-model and also feature inner rails. Inner rails are not exclusive.
CZ clones, so no surprise. The CZ pattern wasn't patent-protected, so it was fairly easy for other companies to copy the excellent design.
@@petesheppard1709 The SIG Neuhausen P 210, came out in 1945, so OK CZ copied the old Swiss design !
@@holgerdanske8935 Yep! With a heavy dash of Browning High Power for style. 😎
That thing is sexy as hell. Almost rivals the look 1911.
Why is the metal of the frame below the ejection port in such a rough shape (oxidised)?
Is this particular to this gun, poor maintenance, or is there another cause?
Sexier than a Baretta.
Considering we still use these I am wondering if the rest will be fore sale soon?
It has now been replaced by the Sig 320, not sure if the remaining P210's went to the "National Guard" or sold or destroyed or what though...Hopefully they didn't destroy them.