SIG 44/16: The Best Service Pistol, But The Road Not Traveled
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When SIG was developing the pistol that would ultimately be adopted as the m/49 by the Danish Army and the P49 by the Swiss Army (P210 commercially), they initially experimented with both single stack and double stack variations. Today, we will take a look at a SIG 44/16, the double stack version - both on the table and out at the range.
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As soon as you cycled the slide, I knew you would compliment the action. That sound alone said a lot.
1947 when almost the whole world is broke and has more weapons than it knows what to do with was probably not the best time to bring out a beautiful but expensive sidearm.
And yet that's what the Swiss and Danes did, just one with less rounds to use between reloads.
well... it tends to be more like:
Hey! The war have ended, so lets prepare for the next one!" way of thinking.
example? AK-47
Nah, new developmental programs were thriving at that time, and many of them were beautiful but expensive, like SIG here or EM-2
@GYPSY KING FURY sort of. They were expensive to produce Individually but once the Soviets hurt HUGE dedicated factories they were cheap just because of huge economies of scal
@DR. JOE ROGAN the original milled versions were, but they quickly made it much cheaper to produce using stamped parts
Shot show 2021...
Sig USA introduces the all new P216 after an early prototype was featured on Forgotten Weapons.
Gun Jesus raises another one!!!!!!
That would actually be great.
I'd dream of buying it.
@@Jscot1001 My sentiments exactly- They really left a wide ass open space for the CZ 75. If Sig had been making these double stack P210's and kept making them, the CZ 75 might not exist as it does. It might be entirely different. What I mean is- I think there is a good chance that, when they made the CZ 75, they were thinking to themselves, "let's make a P210, but with a staggered magazine".
@Dutchy sorry, I didn't realize the P216 was actually a thing. I thought I was just making up a name for the new P210 with a 16 round magazine....
@Dutchy LMAO! Gary MADE UP the P216 as a name for the double stack P210, as a JOKE, because Sig Sauer wouldn't come out with a "Sig 44/16" and it follows their naming scheme.
Quick Google next time?
So they could have had a higher quality equivalent of the CZ 75 30 years earlier. What a shame that they didn’t develop it further.
I have to wonder if building that as a typical DA/SA would have compromised some of the desirable features on that gun. For sure none of the DA/SA Sigs are as sleek as that gun.
Now when you put it that way.... wow...
@@dbmail545 the standard CZ75 is really more of a SA/DA design, with the DA meant for second strike on a hard Primer. But yeah I get your point.
That’s what I thought when I saw it. It looks very similar to a cz75
Lol wat? 210 is by no means higher quality then the cz75. Sincerely 210 owner.
Recently Sig has been re-releasing 210's, it would be cool if they dug up this design for the modern market.
I'd jump on that so fast.
SIG doesn't re-release anything, because SIG doesn't really exist anymore. SIG SAUER released a reproduction model based on the SIG P210.
IMHO:
The SIG SAUER P210 Legend failed to do the original justice, because they compromised its accuracy and reliability in one fell swoop.
The SIG SAUER P210 Target isn't really a P210 to begin with, so that's that.
@@jovankaynak2159
That's what I learned too. The reproduction guns (german Legends) tried to cut costs anywhere they could. I.e. The frame is no longer forged, but cast. The internals are no longer milled and hardened, but MIM-ed. They used the stainless steel, which is softer and less wear-resistent than the original carbon steel. The guns are no longer polished and blued, but QPQ-baked (which hides imperfections, but looks cool). They redesigned the safety and added 12 additional potential failure points and so on and so forth. Here's a nice review for those interested in the details:
larvatus.livejournal.com/283813.html
Also, SIG SAUER now fires 5 shots at 25 m to test the precision. SIG fired 10 shots at 50 m. Let that sink in.
The SIG Sauer P210 Target is basically a P220 with internal rails. They got rid of basically anything that made the SIG P210 so precise.
Btw.: Leon Crottet will add a lateral magazin release for ~ 800.- CHF. If you want a true SIG P210 but don't like the heel mag release, it's definetly worth it.
www.waffen-crottet.ch/
I use the -2 for regular training as well. It might be less accurate (not less precise tho) than the -5 and -6, but I'm not nearly good enough to justifiy switching to a -5/-6.
Wish the new p210s looked like old p210s
I'm not going to buy a standard 210 but I'd love one configured like this to bad there are so few mags that use that grip angle maybe a styre m9 mag?
I had the weirdest dream last night. Gun Jesus sold me a 10/22 for 800$
$800??? Was it a WWRD 10/22?
@@bigretardhalo just pay the man. It will be the final preproduction prototype with matching numbers and a unique thirty shot magazine.
Lol it was a standard one with a sticker on the side that said 1998. I took his word for it
@@JackedRado71 🙈🤣
Mine was even weirder. The Zip 22 went successful and now people mount these on drones
Someone should buy the production rights and tool up. This is a winner, and with a decent trigger job would become an instant modern classic.
But it would be FAR too expensive - even the surplus 210's sell for more than what a modern SIG costs
@@noremorsewoodworking2258 The SIG P210 Legend is currently in production (Made in Germany costs about $3000, made in USA $2300). A used P210-2 can be had for as little as $800 in Switzerland. SIG-SAUER in Exeter might be your best bet to get this into production.
@@Haaraff, In the U.S. the older P210s are fairly expensive. A used 210-2 would probably start at $2000 and go up from there depending on condition. I've seen pristine examples selling for $8000.
@@noremorsewoodworking2258 besides the beautiful machining, this looks no more complex to manufacture than a high end 1911. And, hey, if it's good, people will buy it.
@@Haaraff Actually, P210-2s now typically go for around $1200-$1500. Demand has recently risen sharply, notably on behalf of collectors. The 210 Legend addresses what I consider a major problem with the original design, namely the magazine heel release (arrgh!), but in terms of machining, it's not quite in the same league.
I purchased a SIG P230 in 1996, albeit a smaller pistol and caliber, and it was the most accurate pistol I have ever fired. Bullseye straight, right out of the box. I cannot imagine, nor have I experienced anything but accurate performance for any SIG, speaking as a US Army Infantryman, NCO and Officer. I have fired many of the world’s military sidearms, and I am in complete agreement, that a combat pistol should not be measured against a target pistol. Great website, by the way. 👍
My profile picture has never been so relevant
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@@piotrgrzelak2613 LoL 10/10
This gun is a legend in Sweden. Still ranks high in many competitions due to its superb precision. And its revered as one of the best service type pistols. It kinda has an occult following to be honest 😚
I could see this on archer.
"Ha, you've got a sig 2/10 and you just fired eight bullets, so you're out of- OW LAAAAANAAAAAA"
Honestly I think they could have filed down the grip a bit to the metal and have about the same dimensions as the 8 round pistol. There's a significant amount of wood around the handle.
@@jason200912 I thought that had more to do with the reliability of the mags. The grip is ergonomic enough as is.
Though these days a reliable double stacked mag should be doable in a modern 1911 clone.
Vintage designs like this should be brought back and manufactured again! Miss the unique and elegant designs of the early to mid century weapons!
Competition shooters ruin everything good: the Buffington v. Crozier rear sight wars, the marines cocking up the m16a2, and now apparently the nascent p210
So, the idea that "competition shooters ruin everything" doe that includes such things as'modern pistol technique,' which includes things like the high grip, the reliance on the 'wondernine' concept, speed reloads, etc.
The competition shooters were looking for a competition pistol, not a 'fighting pistol'.
Remember up well into the 1980's much of the world was considering the various .380 /9mm Kurz/9mm Makarov as a 'fighting pistol,' suitable for police and military uses. As someone else has pointed out the martial pistol has been considered quite the secondary weapon often more of a status symbol in the military. The rise of the 9 mm in the US is more a function of the bullet improvements than many other factors.
@@charlesadams1721 But this was supposed to be designed as a fighting pistol, not a competition pistol. So yes, they ruined it.
@@charlesadams1721 I agree. you see all the "serious" folks at the range practicing these ridiculous techniques that are not nearly as applicable to real life self defense as they think. Don't get me wrong, it's great to practice but compared to the guy that practices weaver and slow firing they aren't getting much more value as it applies to real life.
I'd argue the army people argued for more of the 'undesirable' features of the M16A2 than the marines did. It was the army people that wanted the longer stock, finger bump grip and a couple other features that people commonly complain about. Heck, for the grip, they wanted a full finger groove one, but had to compromise down to the singular bump because the marines said no. Really the main feature that really can be credited/blamed on the marines is the sights, because they wanted the functionality of the M1 and M14 sights back, in fact the reason for the square front post was to mimic the M14's sight picture as perfectly as possible.
@@charlesadams1721 Bullet improvements? Seems to me they are still using plain old FMJ ball at this time and the old Hague Convention still pretty much dictates that (assuming countries still choose to follow it). The M9 served it's entire career with FMJ ball that was not really much different than the German service load of 1908 (9mm Parabellum/Luger/Nato itself dates to 1902, making it actually older than .45 ACP). I don't think the loading has been changed in any substantial way since they dropped the truncated cone shaped bullet for the round nosed shape we know now because it fed better in the 32 rd. 'snail drum' for the Luger and MP18.
"Swedish Shooter's Association" - is that "Skarpskytterörelsen"?
Doesn't translate to English as the same but that's probably what he meant no?
I think it was Svenska SportSkytteFörbundet (SSF) at the time as they were the predecessor formed in 1943 to the current organization which was formed in 2009 as a combination of three different associations. Frivilliga Skytterörelsen, Skarpskytterörelsen and Skytterörelsens Ungdomsorganisation.
Today it's name is confusingly enough, Svenska SkytteSportFörbundet (SvSF), basically moving the words around.
I would also assume he actually meant to say "Swedish Sport Shooters Association".
Never mind. Today it's not the indigenous Swedes who does the shooting in Sweden.
@@Memovox Kan du inte hålla ditt rassegnäll någon annanstans? Det har liksom noll och intet att göra med Forgotten Weapons...
@ . Ahh yes.. The old "racist" card..
Ian i hope you read this. From a Swedish perspective more than 6 rounds don't make sense. Our traditional biggest shooting sports called fältskytte (field shooting) and militär snabbmatch (military speedmatch) you only use 6 rounds. Basicly field shooting is 1-6 targets set in terrain and you got between 5-20 seconds to shot. You don't see the stage before you arrive and you travel by foot or transport with a assigned shooting squad. It's more like IPSC than bullseye shooting. Think IPSC with no reloads and shooter can't move but targets up to 90 m and targets can move such as fall or pop up. Traditional targets include such as car weels, drive hatch for tanks, attack dogs etc
This is the 210 Sig should've reproduced. What a beaut.
Yeap. This should have been the "Carry" version of the Sig 210.
@@Dominik189 I agree entirely. I don't think the new Sig will take off, it really doesn't make any sense. Most people who know and appreciate the Sig P210, they are going to stick with the Target version with the beautiful wood grips that are suited towards what the P210 is so good at.
@@bearcat648 exactly. Although it could develop a smallish cult like following. The carry isn't bad. It's just low capacity and that's it's main drawback which, for some people isn't a deal-breaker.
A 16 round P 210. My coolness meter just exploded!
I don't know of any of my friends in the military wouldn't prefer more rounds in the magazine. Well that's bureaucracy for you.
Different priorities for different purposes. If you're in combat, you want more rounds, if you're firing slowly at a static paper target, you care more about a better hold that allows better accuracy and don't mind reloading more often.
this is probably a situation where the company should go all apple on the client and just decide they know better than the customer and decide what's best for them 😂
Old military think:
"Less bullets to fire means less ammo used - saves us money"
Modern military think:
"More bullets to fire means more targets hit - wins us battles"
I mean... things have changed.
More Dakka
Also that bullets are still pennies per round, for the government, but that everything else has inflated in price.
PassiveDestroyer the benefits of buying in bulk.
I think it was less about the money and more about having to actually haul all the ammo around in times where outside of train and ship lines you had to use literal horse power to move ammo (and everything else).
I never realized that Swedes had Teeny,Tiny, Baby hands!
In fairness, holding a single-stack P210 with Nill walnut grips is like your palm having an orgasm 😂
"Its as if the universe cried out in an instant ""Biiiiiiiiiiitch"" after hearing the swedes complaints."
Darn, I think I might just have stumbled on the junction where Forgotten weapons subscribers intersect and overlap with Garand Thumb ones.
You mean just like Trumps?
@@knightowl3577 Libs be like: "body shaming is wrong!" and "Small hands and small dick drumpfers"
I could list you a lot of benefits that come with living in Switzerland, but to start out, the flag is a big plus. :)
The Black Baron
Can’t be said in Austria - Big minus ;)
@@rammuh1029 Well, it is the same for Latvia, except the bars are of an uneven size. It's a quite slim/narrow minus.
@@rammuh1029 Germany is THREE minuses! :^D
One of the benefits that come with living in Switzerland being.... that as an expat with permanent residency, you can own as many guns as you can afford / accommodate. The Swiss ask very few questions, and automatically assume you have the requisite skills and sense of responsibility. If that isn't unique in Europe, I dunno what is. And like the Brits, they laugh in the face of Brussels. ;^)
"All things being Equal, the winner is the soldier with one more round in their magazine." - paraphrase EJE Rommel, 'Infantry Attacks'.
Leroy Thompson has written some wonderful pieces on the P210, and really covers the salient points as to its superiority over its contemporaries.
To me, it is one of the finest examples of firearms engineering meets aesthetically pleasing design. The result: pure functionality...
Today is my birthday, as usual Gun Jesus brings some interesting stuff to the table.
Thank you, Ian!
For some reason, when Ian mentioned the NRA and focus on target shooting made me think of the Savage 19-NRA which had a bit more military-style long foregrip originally, but then was changed later with the Savage 19-33-NRA to a heavier barrel and a thicker, shorter beavertail stock.
I don't see why Sig USA didn't do the new "P210" as a double stack considering the mags aren't even useable in the old ones, nor is there a single interchangeable part. To make matters worse, they're climbing in price quickly
man they need to start making this pistol again!!
Please do an episode on the phased plasma rifle in a 40 watt range. It's so forgotten that I asked my local gun shop owner and he had never heard of it.
Hey. Just what you see here buddy.
I wasn't aware Forgotten Weapons did metallic pornography.
This video should have the Pornhub intro.
It is called a "field stripping".
@@mrkeogh with intrduction by Larry Vickers
What? Metallic pornography is ALL Ian does ...
@@jayzenitram9621 beat me to saying it.
Since Sig is already doing a modern 210 now again, it can't be too hard for them to tool up and bring us a 44/16 variant as well by the end of the year... One can hope...
SIG doesn't re-do anything, because SIG doesn't really exist anymore. SIG SAUER released a reproduction model based on the SIG P210.
IMHO:
The SIG SAUER P210 Legend failed to do the original justice, because they compromised its accuracy and reliability in one fell swoop.
The SIG SAUER P210 Target isn't really a P210 to begin with, so that's that.
There is no point or market for a 44/16, they already have far more modern polymer "fighting pistols" on offer...
@@lukethespook4361 "The P210 isn't really a P210"... lmao.
“Glass buttery smooth”
"Superior military capability rejected because it wasn't as good for target shooting" ranks up there with the old legend about why Teletype machines (which didn't have the bandwidth to transmit mixed-case text) printed in ALL CAPS. The story, almost certainly apocryphal but strangely plausible, goes that the company commissioned a study to determine which case would be better, received conclusive evidence that lower case had superior readability and clarity, and then went with upper case instead because, as the company's chairman pointed out, in lower case "it would be impossible to spell the name of the Deity correctly."
As an professional army officer back in the 1980-90's and a member of the pistol shooting club at my regiment, I had the opportunity to borrow the p210/8 (44/8) including the 22lr conversion kit for a long time. It was a really nice experience compared with the standard service pistol, the m40 by Husqvarna (Licensed Lahti). The m40 was for obvious reasons nick named: "the cast iron owen" 😉.
So this was the mysterious p210 with too many shoots you teased on instagram
When fudds attack.... we adopt an inferior pistol. Lol
Sweden is kind of the land of fudds, so yeah. Grumpy old men with wooden guns that hade everything else.
@@handlebullshit don't get me wrong. I love me some fud guns. But I love me some mg, and black rifles. Old, weird, ugly, massive, rube Goldberg, cool. If it has 1 or more and gose bang I'm in.
Add a Ghost Ring Novak Rear sight and Fiber Optic Front sight, Square off the trigger Guard, replace the Steel Frame with a Polymer Frame, make all controls Ambidextrous (Lefty's Matter too), Make the Ejection Port 360°, use a Recoil Reduction System in place of a Guide Rod to cut down on the Wear and Tear, and add Finger Grooves....... I'd definitely go for it (I'm very Practical in my choices of design)
The gun was tested by Svenska Pistolskytteförbundet (Swedish Pistol Shooters Association). They mainly shoot a discipline called Fältskytte (Field Shooting), which is a practical type of shooting in the field with many targets in short time. The SIG P210 was like the informal standard pistol of Sweden in the late 20th century.
Hello Everyone, I'm Ian, and today I'm on my knees to show praise to what has to be the best pistol ever!
I joke I joke. Love ya content
Alan Helton Careful, Saint Browning may or may not have a sense of humor.
Love to see the boys at 9 hole reviews give it a run.
The same target bullseye competition also occurred with handguns...in the US. .22,.38,.45. Were fired in the course of competition.
Weird seeing the grip on this compared to the absolutely massive grip on the Swedish K
Sig has always made beautiful firearms. Just look at the color and how that magazine looks and this is 1947
It's so cool to see SIG design elements and concepts have stayed consistent for so long.
That's a pet peeve of mine, but I think you're wrong.
One of the requirement of a service pistol is to be, well, useable by all its users. I've seen too many police officers struggling with their P229 or Glock 19 while they are perfectly OK with their military P75, a P225 or the recent G48.
Having had the pleasure to get another prototype of the double-stack P210 in my hands, I have to agree that the difference between the two models isn't huge, but it can still handicap a good 20% of a given population.
My point is the P210, as a service pistol, and its successor the P220 are probably among the best service pistols ever devised ; they are reasonably accurate, effective, light and ergonomically correct for 99% of their users (including southpaws at a time they were even less considered than homosexuals).
Obviously, as long Armies will keep asking the wrong questions (instead of « what is the role of light weapons on today’s battlefield ? what is a sidearm ? what is a PDW ? »), they will have stupid answers.
A loaded Glock 42, with two extra magazines and a B&T Impuls-VA sound suppressor weights less (by 5 grams 😀) than an empty Glock 17.
Of course, you give up a bit of firepower, but given the function of a military sidearm (status symbol, disciplinary tool, last-ditch self-defense/suicide weapon, and morale/confidence booster), they are mostly dead weight (”ounces equal pounds and pounds equal pain”) that could be traded for more ammunition for the rifle, water, ballistic plates, medical emergency equipment, communication or “force-multiplier” gizmos.
The time of full-size sidearms (M9, M17, P75, P8, G17…) is over. They have been replaced in their previous role by light carbines and PDWs since at least fifteen years.
It would have been a great idea for SIG to provide that wondernine-before-wondernines to the commercial market anyway. /rant
How many police officers were properly trained on their weapons? That sounds like a training problem to me, not an issue with the weapon.
@@Gustav_Kuriga Well, even bad shooters in Switzerland aren't _that_ bad.
If this was a solely a training issue, there wouldn't be a great difference between two pistols.
But when you shrunk times and group size by half by allowing the shooter to have a good grip, you realize it's not the most important shooting fundamental under 10 meters for nothing.
But after all, who need accuracy when you can apply the good ol' NYPD/SAPD method of spray and pray ?
@@loyp4328 What are you doing, holding it with one hand? Who needs proper training when you can just assume that one pistol is identical to another. There's a reason that many of the french GIGN stuck with a revolver even after the introduction of more modern pistols, and that's because they were far more familiar with revolvers than semi-automatics. If you think the differences between pistols aren't important regarding training, you are completely ignorant on the subject of training and should know better than spout off on it.
@@Gustav_Kuriga re : GIGN and revolvers, it's a little more complicated than just familiarity, given how curious their operators were and are. Things like effective needs and their application for doctrine, for exemple.
re : differences between pistols, no offense but you don't seem to grasp the concept of a _service pistol_ (hint : you can't select what you carry in most European armies and PDs). And if a pistol is too big (or too small), you're stuck with the hand you're dealt - pun intended. You can train as hard as you want, you will never be as good as you could if you have the correct grip to begin with.
Awesome Banger!
The fictional “hand-howitzer” is based on the 210.
The saddest thing about watching this channel is seeing all the nice guns that should have been adopted but weren't.
With the 8 rounder you can really shoot more accurate than with a double stacked pistol. Can't tell you why but I noticed it too.
Ergonomics 🤷
The other day I was actually wondering why the P210 got adopted as a single stack 9mm when guns like the Hi Power had been around for a while, question answered!
They just needed to lose the heel mag release and it would be perfect.
Last time i was this early, firearm still a tube with a fuze
Don't think I'll every spend the money on a real 210 but that is why I bought an Armalite AR 24/15 TC. The AR 24/15 TC looks as though the love child of a CZ 75 and a Sig 210.
Jesus, that gun is beautiful. A P210 is good, but this is even better!
I once took a test to see what pistol matches my personality, and I got the P210. I'm not certain what that means, but from what I've seen the handgun is quite good.
My god I thought I really wanted a 210. Now I want this version!!! Wow that is cool
I would LOVE one of these! I was just thinking last week that as long as SIG is making new P210s, they really should produce a double stack version. I'm very comfortable with wide grips, as my favorite carry pistol is an HK USP45 fullsize and I shoot USPSA with an Elite.
9:17 Never heard a pistol sneezing before.
I would love it if you could do a video on the Luger Rifle M1906. I’ve always been fascinated in the design and have always wanted a video showing the real thing because there are only 3 pictures on the internet of it.
"And that has made all the difference."
Man, I don't know why SIG chose to bring back the P210 and then ruin it. If they made an exact replica of this (but for a LOT less $$$) I would have bought one immediately.
Very good video I never heard of that pistol and am pretty impressed, Iv'e only handled a Sig 210 but never shot one. Really nice guns.
It's never too late to offer one. Are you listening SIG? It would be a refreshing change from the gun of the week combat tupperware we've been deluged with for the last 20 years.
A double stack P210! Take my money! I shot a friend's P210 last weekend. Wow. What an amazing handgun. The only thing that would make it better would be double stack.
Don't know specifically why but at first glance the pistol triggers the thought, "I'm looking at a Hi-power variant . . . no I'm not." Still it is a fine looking weapon that unfortunately didn't make it to market. Very much enjoyed the segment and was educated as well.
Very interesting report. I never know about a two line magazin to swiss service pistol, cause the 210 with eigth rounds is a very popular weapon in sportshooting here in Germany. Unfortunetly a very expensive weapon, but in high quality👍
Greatings from Berlin, Germany🙋♂️🍀
I know there was some experimental danish ones with longer barrels and other things added sold on auction recently. I can't recall if they were double stack, but they were being tossed around as replacements for the danish army. It never happened and they are only just now changing to a new pistol.
The funny thing is that the Swedes kept fucking around with adopting a proper handgun way into the 80s.
About that time some officer in the airforce got fed up with having a shitty revolver and simply sidestepped the usual military procurement and bought a bunch of glocks. After a couple of years military command went; "oh well, guess this is our sidearm now" and adopted the Glock 17 officially as 'pistol 88'
There is something about the looks of this pistol that I love.
It feels retrofuturistic to me or smt 'advanced'
''You look good, you feel good. You feel good, you do good. You do good, you win.''
Why, oh why did this beauty have to fail at prcisely the last step!?
Very, very interesting. Thanks for the vid. I do like my Sig Target, but if they got the enginerds who designed the P365 mag to design a double stack mag for the 210 Carry inspired by this old pistol, they'd sell a lot of them. Again thanks, Ian.
Anyone know how to find more Information on old guns? I have a 1968 franchi 12ga shotgun that was bought brand new in Italy by my grandfather and has never been shot, I've tried looking up information about it but I can't find anything. I've tried googling the serial number and everything but can't find any info
Aaaaah what a shame this design wasn't followed up on more closely. Thanks for the vid, Ian. I had no idea this existed.
All hail John Moses Browning, gun designer god. His vision lives on.
Guns used to be so beautiful.
I often wonder why manufacturers do not put thin slab synthetic handles on the double stack guns to minimise the increase in handle size.
It surprises me that this thing is from the 40s. It looks so modern, like something that would have come out in the late 80s to mid 90s along with the Smith and Wesson pistols of the time. Guns of the Germanosphere truly are ahead of their time and we may never fully comprehend some of these fourth-dimensional kraut designs.
Mirasu calling Swiss people “kraut” is liable to test the limits of their neutrality.
@@borismuller86 Yeah, "Germanosphere" is totally acceptable, but kraut is just too much, innit?
Those darned competition shooters have done it again.
I was also born in 1947 , we’re a couple of golden oldies. I’m also stylish , smooth and very pleasant , or so I’m told by the lassies - but not to shoot !
Here is another 1947th and Swedish. In 1966-67 I did my military service in the Swedish army. Unfortunately, we did not have this gun. Carl Gustav m45 (submachine-gun) was my main weapon + trained on pistol m40 Husqvarna, a copy of Luger. Lots of shooting in terrain and shooting range.
Man all these look so reminiscent of a colt .45 it’s amazing. If you told me it was a colt with a fancy aftermarket handle, I would believe you all the way.
Clearly I don’t know enough about pistols
clearly
uttaradit2 i mean, after seeing Ian pull this gun apart, it was clear that it has very similar general beats when the action is concerned. Overall the architecture is very similar.
It’s not like I’m saying I would have trouble distinguishing the difference between this and striker fired, roller locked gun or something like that, or a Luger, or something like that.
@@macmurfy2jka both are ok guns by me
uttaradit2 what would you consider a great gun than? Not being facetious, truly curious
@@macmurfy2jka old school winchester lever action, M16, Webley revolver MK6, Lee Enfield .303 Mk4, P. 38, Colt .45 SAA and auto but its academic as I live in gunless UK.
*Watches intro*
"What is this right-handed blasphemy??"
Greatest handgun ever made?
I feel like these guns were a little ahead of their time
That is a Super Cool Pistol and even better than the Browning P35 which was not as accurate but did have a 13rd capacity back then and would have been it only competitor at the time.
Great gun. Thanks for showing us something else that we did not know existed.
Awww, dammit! Now I absolutely want one of these! Could we convince Sig to start making them again?
Considering Sig Sauer recently released a couple of reiterations of the p210, a “carry” model no less, you’d figure a double stack model would be somewhere in their catalog, but no.
Some drawings from the P210 seems to have half cock and some not. Does the 210 have half cock feature or not? I had two Berettas without half cock and I just can't understand why not to employ a half cock on a gun where it is needed, since there is no firing pin safety on the design.
That's a pretty modern capacity. In fact, it's ahead of it's time bearing in mind the M1911A1 and Hi-Power were the main western bloc peers of this thing. It has more ammo, a very simple field strip and devilish reliability. Bear in mind that the US would stick with 7 rounds until the 80's and it came with an awkward disassembly.
The Danes still currently use the 8rd P210 although its in the process of being phased out, and Australia still uses the Browning Hi-Power.
Shooting in at Swedish ranges in the 70s I came across many old timers using the P210.
Good! Next time, I'd like to watch the video related on type 64 battle rifle used by JSDF.
My favorite is SIG and I never heard of this SIG pistol this should be interesting thanks for making the video.
Are the Slides interchangeable? What about the Recoil spring and the barrel?
The forte of the SIG P-210 is the accuracy, so what boosts accuracy will be selected, and if that means a single-column 8-round magazine is preferred to the double firepower of the double-column 16-round mags, then that's the way it shall be.
Too bad they did not have 16-round versions, though.
I dont mind the 8 round p210 neuhausen, it is a sidearm and only rarely in critical use, and even then, 8 shots should be enough
😀😀👍👍Sig should put that pistol out today. I would definitely buy one!
If they do to it what they did to the P210, you´d probably be disappointed. I know a few people who preferred used P210s from the Danish military to a new Sig Sauer P210. Competition shooters willing to pay north of 1500€ for a used ex service pistol in good condition speaks volumes about it´s quality.
IIRC, the last Swiss P210-6 were north of CHF 3'000.- at the time, so add at least 15-20% to that price to have a contemporary price...
@@maxlutz3674 Nah, it speaks volumes about the value of provenance, the new P210s are machined and finished far better than the original military P210s.
P210 aka Pistol 49 is one of the only ordnance 9mm ever produced that can eat 50 meters/yards for breakfast.
I imagine if they put this into production it would sell very well.
They'd cost as much as a Sphinx, if not a Manurhin or Korth. So...probably not
I don't know much about firearms.
But this pistol looks absolutely gorgeous
Oh, to be able to say "Feels like a Sig 210". I prefer the hand-filling grip of a double stack 9mm myself, with the notable exception of the Beretta 92 which feels like a bare 2x4 to me.
Yeah, the ole Beretta 92 series does feel like a 2x4, but I love my Beretta 92a1 anyway. She’s thick in all the right places 🤣
Great handle! Nice for large hands I’d imagine.