SIG M18: New USMC Service Pistol (and Little Brother of the M17)
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The SIG 320 was adopted by the US Army as its new M17 full-size service pistol, but that was only have of the Modular Handgun System. The other half was the M18, a compact version of the same pistol, with a 3.9" barrel (compared to the 4.7" barrel of the M17). The Army did also adopt the M18 for MP and CID personnel, but the other service branches chose to go with the M18 as their standard sidearms. Notably, this includes the Marines, who will be using the M18 to replace the M9, M9A1, M007 (Glock 19M) and M45A1 (1911).
Being a highly modular design, the M18 uses the same basic fire control module as the M17, as well as the same magazines. The slide and grip module are shorter to match the shorter barrel, and multiple different sizes of grip module are available to reasonably fit anyone between the 5th and 95th percentile of hand size.
While the initial batch of M17s were made with tan controls and subsequently returned and sold on the civilian market, no M18s appear to have been returned from service. However, SIG continues to run the military M18 production line making "contract overrun" pistols exactly to military specification, and that is what we are looking at in today's video. These have TC serial number prefixes, along with other military features:
Single-screw optics plates
Braided recoil springs
Tool-based takedown
Military slide markings
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I spent many years in military logistics and seriously doubt that your will ever see the modularity of the system used.
I spent many years in military logistics and seriously doubt that your will ever see the modularity of the system used.
After watching too much Forgotten Weapons, I don't consider it a REAL military service pistol unless it's issued with a holster that attaches as a stock.
Some of the M17s have been losing rear sights. Make sure they're tight and don't let your officers mess with them (namely medical providers)
The true “Forgotten Weapon” is the predecessor to this series of pistols, the SIG P250. It was a hammer type DA only using a similar fire control group. Available in subcompact, compact, and full size, with three grips for each size in small, medium, and large. It was available in all the different sizes in 9mm, .40 S&W, .357SIG, and .45ACP. After the initial purchase from your FFL you could order different size and caliber “kits” direct from SIG. The .22lr was only sold as a complete pistol.
I cannot imagine a scenario in which any of the "modularity" is actually used to fit someone's hand. Anybody saying they want to use a different polymer frame in the Army will be told to get bent.
The Pentagon just loves buzzwords. One year everything had to be modular, next year everything is next-gen....
Having spent ten years on active duty in the Army, I can tell you, with absolutely no worries of being wrong, that, while modularity/fit the grip to the user is a nice idea, anyone who goes to their unit armorer - unless they happen to outrank him - and says, "I want a different grip module for my gun," is going to be told, "Shut the fuck up and move out."
Security Forces uses these, literally have no use for any of the modularity. Should have just gotten new M9s or the 19X.
My son is in the USMC in the infantry and he inherited my late father's M18 last year. I didn't want to like it with the strange trigger, but in use it was fantastic to shoot in practice. Comfortable like driving a luxury car and super accurate. I was amazed. But I really wanted my son to get the edge when he was on leave for a possible pistol qual and a few weeks ago he earned expert while deployed. We appreciate marksmanship in my family too so we're super proud of this.
"What kind of idiot is going to leave the gun loaded and pull the trigger when they go to disassemble it" - clearly these people have not met soldiers.
"What kind of idiot unloads the gun with a round in the chamber?" An 18-year-old who's been in combat/training for 20+ hours with little prior experience with weapons.
The Army never even told Veterans that the M9s mag release is reversible.
Fun Fact™: It does not matter how many grip sizes are available. The Sergeant Major is going to say
"What kind of idiot?". It happened in the parking lot where I work a couple years ago. An employee was showing another employee his Glock and wanted to take it apart to show him the aftermarket upgrades he had made. He didn't clear it properly and when he pulled the trigger (a required step in taking apart a Glock) he put a bullet in his leg. Interestingly I work at an internet retailer that sells, among other things, firearms.
Love my M17. Have a RMR & Wilson Combat grip module on it. Slick shooting.
I worked at Sig Sauer at their main plant in Newington NH between 2019 and 2022, and my favorite job was performing the final inspection of these very firearms for our military. Now I work for the U.S Navy as a civilian and I am protected by these very same weapons everyday I go into work! Thank you for the run down memory lane!
US military: "Hi SIG we really like your pistol but can you make it for dwarves and wookies?"
I was a Combat Marksmanship Trainer at Camp Lejeune at the end of my enlistment and was an instructor for Coaches Course, and we were part of the rollout of the M18 at Lejeune which was a really cool experience. One standout issue we had with them was that the single torque screw wasn't good enough to hold the rear sight in place so I had one student firing and suddenly the optics plate and rear sight went flying. According to the armorer we brought over to inspect it wasn't an isolated issue either. Otherwise, from the Marines we taught on the M18 is was received extremely favorably and I certainly preferred it over the M9.