That was an excellent and enjoyable video on firing order. HD front cylinder fires at 315 and the rear piston at 405 degrees which creates the unique unbalanced sound.
There is nothing inherently boring about the sound of the 180 degree engine. It’s actually unique. Most of the negative reaction around the 180 engine is just snobbery fueled by motorcycle reviewers who are probably comparing them subjectively to more powerful platforms as the 180 rarely is used in anything larger than a 650.
Plenty of 180s that sound great, especially with a nice pipe (or slipon) attached imho. However, I do think the 270s sound somewhat leaning in between a 'regular' 180 and a v-twin has its charm for sure. At least to my ears. It's very personal of course.
for cruiser type bike with 2 cyl engine i think using 360 degree firing order is the best since it sounded very good and cruiser is made to enjoy the road
@@Gnerko123 yeah but the sound pattern of 270 degree twins and 90 degree L twins is pretty much the same. Since 360-270= 90 degree offset so the exhaust pulses have the same separation.
Firing order makes a huge difference in sound with uneven sequences typically producing the most character. Therefore, in a parallel twin, crankshaft angles in order of unevenness and increasing audio interest are as follows: 360° crank: balanced, similar to a boxer twin sound 180° crank: unbalanced, similar to a thumper sound 270° crank: unbalanced, similar to a 90° V-twin sound (Ducati, Moto Guzzi, Suzuki) 285° crank (KTM): more unbalanced, similar to a 75° V-Twin sound (also KTM) 315° crank (Husqvarna): very unbalanced, similar to a 45° V-twin sound (Harley) I'm not aware of anyone who has produced a 300° crankshaft, but in theory it should slot between the 285° and 315° in "lumpyness" and sound similar to a 60° V-twin (Indian). Sound is subjective of course, so there's something for everyone, but go listen to the 315° crankshaft exhaust note of the Husqvarna Nuda 900 parallel twin. I'll wait. It makes the 270's sound tame.
Yes, similar to a 90* V-twin firing order. 285 crankshaft (KTM) is similar to a 75* V-Twin firing order (also KTM). There was an attempt to mimic the 45* V-twin firing order (Harleys) in a P-twin, but I forget the crank angle used or who did it... Maybe Husqvarna and their 315 crankshaft?
180° doesn't sound all that great..it basically sounds like a 1 cylinder since the firing interval is so short 360° sounds like a low revving 4 cylinder since.. a typical 4 cylinder is just 2 360° parallel twins spaced 180° from each other 270° HELL YEAH the uneven firing interval is making sound rough and awesome
from my experience and honest review 180 is pretty decent, 360 sounds normal overall 270 has the beast sound like Ducati and Aprilia.. go remap ecu and install exhaust full system
The 360´s weren´t represented well in this video. The Benelli Leoncino 500 has a wonderful sound, almost like the CP3 from Yamaha. It takes the number 1 spot for me, closely followed by 270. 180 is just awful, there is no other way to put it...
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I'd want a 270 degree crank on a new bike but that 180 degree really brings some nostalgia from growing up on a kfx400
That was an excellent and enjoyable video on firing order. HD front cylinder fires at 315 and the rear piston at 405 degrees which creates the unique unbalanced sound.
And ironically, the firing order is also one of the reason why HD engines doesnt make the same power as the other layouts
The HD also fires 2x adding to the sound
There is nothing inherently boring about the sound of the 180 degree engine. It’s actually unique. Most of the negative reaction around the 180 engine is just snobbery fueled by motorcycle reviewers who are probably comparing them subjectively to more powerful platforms as the 180 rarely is used in anything larger than a 650.
Plenty of 180s that sound great, especially with a nice pipe (or slipon) attached imho. However, I do think the 270s sound somewhat leaning in between a 'regular' 180 and a v-twin has its charm for sure. At least to my ears. It's very personal of course.
It sound bad from the video bute IRL? Oh people loves it, including me
It's boring, many people have 180° bikes in my town, everyday i hear it, it's so boring, i want hear 270° crank
My Laverda was a 270 triple. The motorcycle equivalent of a big American lumpy V8. Loved it. Still miss it.
360 definitely sounds the best. That's why I love the old British twins.
270° is the GOAT
Only if you pretend the 180° doesnt exist.
@@bavarianbanshee180s sound like garbage. Rasp buckets
@@bavarianbanshee180 sounds the worst
The 270 degree has that V8 soundtrack at low RPMs
I think so too
The 360° has the best sound because it has the same ignition clearance. 270° second place.
360 very smooth engine power delivery and wonderful sound but less power than 180 and 270 crank
for cruiser type bike with 2 cyl engine i think using 360 degree firing order is the best since it sounded very good and cruiser is made to enjoy the road
Love my rebel 250 360° sound with a simple baffle removal it sounded close to a cb400 4 cylinder. When in mid and high rev.
I used to think that Ducati's had V8's in them until a motorbike enthusiast told me it's due to the firing interval that makes them sound like that.
Yep, because 270° inline 2 = half crossplane inline 4 and crossplane inline 4 = half crossplane v8
@@nalendraalif1116 ducati's have 90 degree V twins or L twins, not inline twins
@@Gnerko123 my bad, I don't know much about motorcycles
@@Gnerko123 yeah but the sound pattern of 270 degree twins and 90 degree L twins is pretty much the same. Since 360-270= 90 degree offset so the exhaust pulses have the same separation.
180 sounds like a subaru
Firing order makes a huge difference in sound with uneven sequences typically producing the most character. Therefore, in a parallel twin, crankshaft angles in order of unevenness and increasing audio interest are as follows:
360° crank: balanced, similar to a boxer twin sound
180° crank: unbalanced, similar to a thumper sound
270° crank: unbalanced, similar to a 90° V-twin sound (Ducati, Moto Guzzi, Suzuki)
285° crank (KTM): more unbalanced, similar to a 75° V-Twin sound (also KTM)
315° crank (Husqvarna): very unbalanced, similar to a 45° V-twin sound (Harley)
I'm not aware of anyone who has produced a 300° crankshaft, but in theory it should slot between the 285° and 315° in "lumpyness" and sound similar to a 60° V-twin (Indian). Sound is subjective of course, so there's something for everyone, but go listen to the 315° crankshaft exhaust note of the Husqvarna Nuda 900 parallel twin. I'll wait. It makes the 270's sound tame.
270 is absolute monster
360 best sound best feel
360 sounds the best
270 sounds the best, all day, every day!!! #HornetMagic
Hard to say which is the best they all sound good in the headphones
I would love it if Yamaha made a large displacement 270 twin. That sounds with big power would be amazing
I'm with you on that. I love the xsr700 but if it was only a xsr1200...lol
But then we wouldn't need the xsr900...🤷🏻♂️
They do, but not for bikes. The Wolverine 850 and Rmax 1000 are both 27 degree engines.
Isn't the 1200 tenere a 270 twin?
270 is like v twin!
Yes, similar to a 90* V-twin firing order. 285 crankshaft (KTM) is similar to a 75* V-Twin firing order (also KTM). There was an attempt to mimic the 45* V-twin firing order (Harleys) in a P-twin, but I forget the crank angle used or who did it... Maybe Husqvarna and their 315 crankshaft?
180° doesn't sound all that great..it basically sounds like a 1 cylinder since the firing interval is so short
360° sounds like a low revving 4 cylinder since.. a typical 4 cylinder is just 2 360° parallel twins spaced 180° from each other
270° HELL YEAH the uneven firing interval is making sound rough and awesome
180 is soooo boring. I still prefer a V twin but 270 is definitely good too
Benelli 360 degree motorcycle sound much better 😌
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180 is best if you want powerfull engine in low rpms , 270 if you want a fast engine
270 is the best. 360 sounds like a boxer. 180 sounds the worst. In person 285 sounds the gnarliest
180° doesn't sound this bad in person, but the others still sound better.
The benelli 300 twin is 360, isnt it
270 degree sounds like a micro v8
Awesome vid mate cheers!
you missed the best sounding, the Nuda 900r
315 crank is definitely unique.
360 in QJ SRK 400 sounds like inline 4
360 and 270 both sound great, 180 sounds nasty
270 is probably the best. 360 sounds kinda like a single cylinder but still really good and 180 is a boring dumpster fire.
Benelli 302s got 360 parallel twin engine, try it n feel sweet sound then use Sc project Racing Exhaust ❤️❤️❤️
from my experience and honest review 180 is pretty decent, 360 sounds normal overall 270 has the beast sound like Ducati and Aprilia.. go remap ecu and install exhaust full system
270🤤
The 360´s weren´t represented well in this video. The Benelli Leoncino 500 has a wonderful sound, almost like the CP3 from Yamaha.
It takes the number 1 spot for me, closely followed by 270.
180 is just awful, there is no other way to put it...
360°engine is like a diesel but on petrol!
270 FTW.
360° sound best, like inline4
that's totally what I thought!
it sounds like inline 4
benelli 300 is missing. it sounds like a 4 cylinder bro
Beaucoup de bruit pour des si petits moteurs !
You forget to put Husq Nuda on 314 degree
360° alwys
Flat Plane Twin 180 degree best sound
Suara 270 lebih gahar dan ke moge moge an❤❤
Where is the benelli 360°
360's the sweetest 270 is reasonable, and the 180 is god awful.
360s won’t be terribly balanced unless you use a balancing shaft
If the 360s didnt have large enough counterweights, it would shake the engine to death
270 is burbly
270 🤘
270 is best
For speed.. go for 360
I have yamaha tdm with 360°, and still dont like the sound of it. Probably the only reason i'm gonna sell it for another bike.
180 is getting boring, 270 has that muscle sound, and 360 oversquare sport bikes sounds like a 3 cylinder
Yes good observation on 360 and a triple.
@@kangacrew540 yesir
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worst 360 degree bike you showed there go listen to beneli 300
180 always sounds awful
180° engine are the most annoying sound ever made i wish it will be phase out already
Incorrect.