Predator 212 / GX200 Go Kart Governor Removal

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  • How to remove the governor on a predator 212 engine. This is probably not the way most people do it but it works for me. Thanks for watching and don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe.
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  • @CeCe-cx3gq
    @CeCe-cx3gq 4 года назад +11

    When your watching a video on how to do something but then the instructor records everything, except the purpose of the video lmao.... "okay next were going to (video cut) im going to show you on another engine because my camera didn't record" 😂 ????

  • @driverjamescopeland
    @driverjamescopeland 5 лет назад +114

    1:43 "There's six bolts. As you can see, there all 10mm".
    $^*_%$="! Now I gotta go back to Harbor Freight to buy 2 more 10mm sockets. Why two?... because I know one will disappear on the way home.

  • @AndrewStokes1966
    @AndrewStokes1966 4 года назад +25

    Hey, awesome. I followed your step by step, straight to the point, videos and fixed my kart. Removed the governor and set it up the way you said. Goes GREAT! And it also fixed my problem of my engine idling so high it kept engaging the centrifugal clutch and had to ride the break to slow it up. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. ♥️❤♥️

  • @dham5829
    @dham5829 6 лет назад +7

    Just a quick addition you could carefully wiggle the governor arm off by the crank and cut off the elbow below the two crimped wings. Then reinstall just the straight shaft into the case to use the external governor arm for your throttle. By removing the elbow portion you wont have to worry about the arm contacting the crank shaft and its a lot easier than tapping the hole for a screw. I did also remove the plastic gear just for insurance also. Looked fragile since I was inside the case already.

  • @danielguillen3949
    @danielguillen3949 5 лет назад +123

    Just unplug the yellow wire. No tools required 🤘🏻

  • @mzice9986
    @mzice9986 7 лет назад +35

    i ran about 6700 rpms and blew the enging up i flew off my minibike at 80 mph. my hair caught on fire . boss hogg that was fun.

  • @Tyler_heins2524
    @Tyler_heins2524 7 лет назад +9

    What tools, and bolts you needed to plug the holes? Would love to know buying 2 predator motors and I'm going to want to take the governors out.

  • @muddymotos5003
    @muddymotos5003 2 года назад +3

    Thanks so much, I am 13 and just got my first one and I will be following a lot more of your tutorials.

  • @seeger876
    @seeger876 6 лет назад +27

    What size bolt did you use to plug the oil sensor hole

  • @paspader
    @paspader Год назад +1

    I have an old predator 212 hemi engine. I removed the governor and am having difficulty getting everything back together. Especially, since I got a throttle plate.
    Don't suppose you could do a video highlighting the steps on do's and don'ts to make sure it'll run?

  • @jamesrich7349
    @jamesrich7349 6 лет назад +22

    When you run the dremel tool inside the engine and tap the hole you put metal filings inside the engine that could destroy it.

    • @dumpstergaming310
      @dumpstergaming310 6 лет назад +12

      This is true... but anyone smart enough to know that there's harmful metal shavings in the engine, knows that you should probably remove them before you seal it up and run it...

    • @bigdog5389
      @bigdog5389 5 лет назад +2

      when tapping them holes put a rag right under the hole your tapping out to catch all the shavings then run a nut in it then check the whole engine before closing it up.

    • @toreywilson5982
      @toreywilson5982 5 лет назад +1

      Would it hurt to just use a hammer an tap that arm into the motor instead of cutting? I already done it an don't know much so hopefully it won't hurt anything

    • @larryparks7930
      @larryparks7930 4 года назад +10

      He cut the arm on the outside of the motor and slid it through if I understood him correctly. So no shavings in the motor.

    • @scrapwire1
      @scrapwire1 4 года назад +4

      @@toreywilson5982 I just removed mine by turning the crank into the proper position and doing a little wiggling, then just a light tap and it fell in.

  • @jamesferron5388
    @jamesferron5388 4 года назад +5

    Considering the time, and chance to just generally ruin something internally, [lose a washer, cause an oil leak, get 'junk' into the crankcase] what are the advantages of actually removing the sensor rather than just unhooking it electronically from the outside? With the same thought in my, why go inside the engine to actually remove the governor internal when it can be bypassed externally? Looking forward to your reply.

    • @bakedpotato1744
      @bakedpotato1744 2 года назад +2

      Hey it’s a year late but oh well. If you just bypass the governor without removing the plastic gear internally, the gear has a good chance to let go of the metal weights and fling them where you don’t want them. No good.

    • @christianascencio336
      @christianascencio336 2 года назад +1

      @@bakedpotato1744 and the oil sensor?

  • @Whatsthegeek
    @Whatsthegeek 7 лет назад +35

    why don't you jt bypass the wiring from the oil sensor ? It would be much cleaner and you could connect a light io it to tell you when there's a probleme with oil.

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  7 лет назад +6

      +What's the geek I would just rather remove it all

    • @veikkoh-a3316
      @veikkoh-a3316 6 лет назад +4

      The plastic governor gear will explode at high rpm’s

    • @robspear03
      @robspear03 5 лет назад +22

      @@veikkoh-a3316 Completely irrelevant to the question asked.

    • @democratsaretheDEVIL
      @democratsaretheDEVIL 4 года назад

      Thought the same its the best block off for that hole.

    • @official.trillwill2568
      @official.trillwill2568 3 года назад

      So wait we have to remove all those cables or just cut the oil sensor cable pleas help ?

  • @tommygepford33907
    @tommygepford33907 2 года назад +6

    I removed the govenor on my sons predator 224 and the internal low oil sensor and when i got done the engine wouldnt start and i was freaking out because it was my first time !! i ended up finding out its because when i pulled the cam the valve tappets came down a little so i pushed them back up not thinking much of it and later found out that can let the connceting rods fall out of place , so i took the valve cover off and sure enough they came off the rockers so i took it apart and put it back together and ahe fired right up hope this helps anyone who makes the same rookie mistake , i found 1 comment in 15 videos that led me to the problem so i figure i will repost same info!!

  • @nathanthyne5293
    @nathanthyne5293 2 года назад +3

    Extremely helpful. You know what you’re doin! Quick and detailed!

  • @bigredjeepyj3436
    @bigredjeepyj3436 5 лет назад +6

    Hey Red, if I remove the governor what controls it from over-revving into the stratosphere? Is it possible to stop the rpm's at 5000 or so so I don't have to mod internals? Love the videos, keep up the awesome work.

    • @LNRRidez
      @LNRRidez 5 лет назад

      I believe thats why they say to bump up to 18 lb valve springs once you remove the governor.

  • @democratsaretheDEVIL
    @democratsaretheDEVIL 4 года назад +62

    OK I'm gonna show you how to remove the governor, OK we're back governors out. Skipped the part the video is for.

    • @porky379
      @porky379 2 года назад +2

      He explained exactly what to do in great detail

    • @DatHondaBoi223
      @DatHondaBoi223 2 года назад +5

      @@porky379 what’s the point in making a RUclips VIDEO if he’s just going to explain how he did it, not show it? It makes no sense and it’s not any help at all

    • @porky379
      @porky379 2 года назад

      @@DatHondaBoi223 bro seriously the point of the video is after watching it you know what to do

    • @DatHondaBoi223
      @DatHondaBoi223 2 года назад +1

      @@porky379 looks like you’re ratiod

    • @forrestholland3301
      @forrestholland3301 2 года назад +1

      Lmfao same reason I came

  • @nicholasr1977
    @nicholasr1977 2 года назад +1

    Redbeard!! What do we do for the throttle linkage and all that since that governor paddle isn't there any longer ? Wish there was more on that. Would love to see a separate short video on it

    • @holypokey47
      @holypokey47 2 года назад

      Exactly. There is no linkage to the carburetor without the governor. I was just about to remove mine when I realized that.

  • @johnmn42
    @johnmn42 3 месяца назад

    Quick question. So I want to keep the throttle linkage stock... Could I cut that little arm that would engage the governor, and keep it so I could still use the external governor arm for the throttle?

  • @Scootertuner1000
    @Scootertuner1000 7 лет назад +1

    I don't even try to remove the C clamp, I just cut the spoke if the cog with small pair of wire cutters. All that's left is the hub, it won't spin any more so it's not a problem. For the hole in the crankcase, just use a self tapping bolt with red locktite

  • @yajmuhs7853
    @yajmuhs7853 3 года назад +1

    Lol don't forget to plug that governor ARM hole. So you don't spit oil everywhere all around town like I have for the past month lol. Had to rewatch to figure out what I missed.

  • @tilvalhalla9343
    @tilvalhalla9343 4 года назад +1

    maybe i didnt hear it but i noticed you didnt mention a flyhweel upgrade after the governor removal. i hear for safety reasons you have to get a billet flywheel because the stock flywheel cant keep up with the speeds of an ungoverned engine and can blow up! Can i just replace the flywheel with a billet or do i HAVE to upgrade the pistons and cam to keep up with new flywheel? money is tight so i dont wanna upgrade the rest if i dont totally have to.

  • @calder43
    @calder43 4 года назад +1

    Once you cut governor rod how do you run throttle cable ect for mini bike if the governor arm is gone on top ?

  • @camspruill6149
    @camspruill6149 6 лет назад +2

    Great video. For the oil sensor, can I just cut yellow wire the wire on the outside, then cut the black wire on the inside and unbolt and remove the sensor? This way the hole doesn't need to be tapped and bolted and I can just leave the bolt in there?

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  6 лет назад

      You can just cut the yellow wire and be good

    • @dangerdavepwc
      @dangerdavepwc 2 года назад

      @@RedBeardsGarage is there a better way to plug the governor arm hole, or is your method still the preferred way?

  • @jedcoons9577
    @jedcoons9577 Год назад

    Thanks to you I successfully removed the governor on my 224. Appreciate it. I haven't started it yet but I think I'm good. Lol🤞

  • @bigdog5389
    @bigdog5389 5 лет назад +2

    I love watching your video's man they have taught me a lot. I spent around 2 hours to get that little ring off the governor to get the plastic gear out. I have a DB30 I'm putting a 212cc predator on with a max torque ss 15 teeth clutch with a 70 tooth back sprocket with a header I'm in the process of ordering my upgraded air filter. What is my ratio gonna be I'm kinda new to this. 70 tooth back sprocket with 15 tooth clutch. Is that a 4.6 ratio?

  • @chasebabin9068
    @chasebabin9068 Год назад

    What about the shaft inside the motor that you broke the governor gear off? Does that not have potential to come out over time? Do you not to go into the crankshaft side and remove that pin totally?

  • @clee33able
    @clee33able 4 года назад +1

    So I have 2 212s hemis and 2 301cc my question is performance wise just adding the exhaust air cleaner kit on 301cc vs adding that to the 212cc.. whats the hp of both and is the 301cc worth the extra $120

  • @bobdude2360
    @bobdude2360 7 лет назад +2

    thanks for the info it really helps. I'm in the middle of redoing a manco black fox and this will be the first time I'm attempting any mods on a engine and I don't want to mess it up I just want to have a fun and fast kart to enjoy. Well thanks for the info and like your videos keep up the good work. Peace.

  • @thebumpus89
    @thebumpus89 4 года назад +2

    Do you have to make any changes to the throttle once governor is removed

  • @MF-le7fp
    @MF-le7fp 4 года назад

    This is probably a stupid question...what is the purpose of having a redundant oil fill cap (opposite the dipstick cap), on this engine? Or am I incorrect in thinking both caps access the exact same sump area in the crank case, and use the same fluid (engine oil)?

  • @usmcmma
    @usmcmma 5 лет назад +1

    Should I do new valve springs after the governor removal or can I just run it with the stock valve springs? What would be the advantages to stiffer valve springs and which would you recommend? Thanks for the post!

    • @usmcmma
      @usmcmma 5 лет назад

      Never mind my question you answered it in another comment. 18lb Valve springs it is. Just not sure about how to gap them.

  • @bobdude2360
    @bobdude2360 7 лет назад +1

    Hey thanks for the reply. So is taking out the oil sensor necessary or can I leave it in. Also once the governor is out do I have to do a direct throttle mod like your one in your video.

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  7 лет назад +1

      Yeah you will have to do the throttle mod like i did. You don't have to remove the oil sensor but i recommend that you do because it will cause the engine to shut off if riding off road or taking curves hard.

  • @CamberKitesurfing
    @CamberKitesurfing 3 года назад

    Hi RBG, which springs do you bin off and keep on the throttle assy?

  • @coyne250
    @coyne250 2 года назад

    Would you be able to answer this for me red beard. I have a robin EX13 4.5hp I was wondering if they are possibly the same as the predator 212. I’d like to see if I could just up my robin.

  • @macdc96
    @macdc96 4 года назад +2

    is it necessary to replace the flywheel if we are removing the governor?
    thanks for your reply!!!

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  4 года назад +1

      Yes sir. They are dangerous at RPMs

    • @macdc96
      @macdc96 4 года назад

      Red Beard's Garage thank you my bearded friend!!!

    • @nutroll4205
      @nutroll4205 4 года назад +2

      Hey red beard I recently removed my governor following your steps and the engine runs perfect after but i don't have a billet flywheel or rod installed only a 22mm carb and torque converter should i be worried about blowing up my engine?

    • @Astro80s
      @Astro80s 4 года назад +1

      @@nutroll4205 dont hold throttle extended of time

  • @justinprice6438
    @justinprice6438 4 года назад +2

    I apologize if you’ve answered this 1000’s of times already - what is your ideal sprocket set up for acceleration with a predator 6.5? I am restoring a kart for my two sons as a Christmas gift, want them to be able to take off quick.

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  4 года назад

      Would need more information. Clutch or cvt, tire size and engine size

    • @justinprice6438
      @justinprice6438 4 года назад

      Red Beard's Garage Will be using a clutch most likely to keep the cost down - it’s a live axle with 15” tires and a predator 212cc non hemi.

  • @kylel3150
    @kylel3150 5 лет назад +2

    My mini bike motor mount angles motor forward about 10 degrees or so. Should I add oil to engine while it is level then see if the oil sensor trips.

    • @ryan.b1861
      @ryan.b1861 5 лет назад +1

      my nigga you should change your name

  • @PunkCoverMoose
    @PunkCoverMoose 3 года назад

    Glad I watched until the end because I was going to just bolt the oil sensor hole like you did but tapping it would be better. Thanks for the guide!

  • @joelmccall5807
    @joelmccall5807 2 месяца назад

    If I just put a spring that holds the arm back, does it keep the governor from kicking in?

  • @Lamar1956
    @Lamar1956 5 лет назад +5

    After removing the govenor, do I need to change anything other than the valve springs?

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  5 лет назад

      Well a billet rod and flywheel are recommended but you don't have to.

    • @robspear03
      @robspear03 5 лет назад +1

      You dont really need to change springs.
      Valve float with be your safety net from popping a rod or flywheel.
      Float happens WELL before those 2 let go, i would know, i race stock 212 class.

  • @4687878
    @4687878 7 лет назад +1

    If you remove the governor, along with changing jets and air filter,.will you only need to change to the 18 lb valve springs to keep from blowing up the engine ?

  • @TT4ME
    @TT4ME 4 года назад +1

    To plug the hole where the arm was for the governor I just found a bolt that I was able to start without tapping. Got it about half inch in and cut the head off with a dremel because it will never need to be removed.

  • @sportsmanxl
    @sportsmanxl 8 лет назад +8

    How come you remove the oil sensor? Why not just leave it in and unplug the the oil sensor from the outside?

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  8 лет назад +8

      Theres no real reason other than im already in the engine to remove the governor so why not. Its fine just to unhook it. I feel like without it in there you can hold a small amount of more oil so thats the main reason i do it.

    • @sportsmanxl
      @sportsmanxl 8 лет назад +2

      +Red Beards Garage oh okay that makes sense. I also have another question, my friend and I are considering removing the governor on our 212 but we're not sure what exactly the main benefit of removing it is. We don't know very much about it, we just see lots of people on RUclips removing them. Is it like a higher top speed or some other sort of performance boost?

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  8 лет назад +3

      +eric stevens a stock Predator engine only revs to 3400 RPMs so when you remove the governor it'll let you rev to 5000 RPM giving you a little bit more power

    • @sportsmanxl
      @sportsmanxl 8 лет назад +1

      +Red Beards Garage is there any danger associated with removing the governor? Like do we have to be careful about going full throttle for too long?

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  8 лет назад +1

      +eric stevens you don't need to go above 4400 Roma. It will float the valves. You need to spend $20 and buy 18lb valve springs and then you will be fine.

  • @RustyShackelferd-yf1ch
    @RustyShackelferd-yf1ch 4 месяца назад

    Should add that grease on your tap will prevent most mof the metal chips from falling into the engine. Thanks.

  • @mikeramirez2707
    @mikeramirez2707 2 года назад

    I was woundering if yall moded a motvox bike. I couldnt aford a coleman and dont see many vids of people working on them let alone what kind of upgrades i can do. Lmk thanks✊

  • @iamyzdemon5717
    @iamyzdemon5717 3 года назад

    Is this worth it for a yerfdog? With the Honda gx190??? Mine has power but it’s not fast. Will this make it faster? And is it a big difference or no?

  • @paulwelches8826
    @paulwelches8826 4 года назад +1

    What tap do you recommend to use on the oil sensor hole

  • @rncboy2
    @rncboy2 7 лет назад +2

    Did you just cut the wire in front of the box or how did you do that on the oil sensor disconnecting it just bought a himi 212 glad it was a himi

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  7 лет назад +1

      +Kylee Bates you can just unplug the oil sensor if you like.

    • @rncboy2
      @rncboy2 7 лет назад +1

      if I unplug it from it it will still run. Also i just ordered a exhaust and I don't wanna spend the money on a mikuni and I also don't wanna spend 45 bucks for the adapter plate and Air filter and main jet was wondering a cheaper carb to bolt up and will run good with Lil tuning...

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  7 лет назад +1

      +Kylee Bates well if you take the lid off your air box it's basically like you are running the air filter kit. Just buy the keys from go power sports for less than 10 and you'll be good to go

    • @rncboy2
      @rncboy2 7 лет назад

      Send me a link please if you don't mind buddy and thank you for the info everything else I be gotten figured out lol

  • @drj2798
    @drj2798 3 года назад

    I have the predator 301, just removed the governor, do I need a upgraded flywheel and/or 50lbs springs?

  • @TheUthe
    @TheUthe 6 лет назад +1

    I ran my throttle wire straght to the governor arm and it seems to be working fine. It seems too easy to do that rather than pulling the case apart. Why is it better to completely remove it?

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  6 лет назад

      overtime it can bust the gear inside the engine and cause some good damage

    • @TheUthe
      @TheUthe 6 лет назад

      @@RedBeardsGarage i knew it was too easy to bypass that gear. After asking you about it I looked threw the comments on a couple of videos about bypassing it rather than pulling it and that's what i read. I'm going to pull it when I take it out to paint the frame.

    • @TheUthe
      @TheUthe 6 лет назад

      @@RedBeardsGarage I know you probably spend a ton of time answering questions that to you probably seem like common seance but I've got one for you that I can't find an answer for anywhere on RUclips. I have a manco thunderbird I've been playing around with. I put a 212 on it and the original gearing is insanely tuorquy. I'm pretty shure someone good at wheelies would have a blast on it. Id like to speed it up a bit to keep up with the guys i ride with while where on road and flats. The rear sprocket is a 72 tooth and the clutch is a 10 tooth. I'd rather change the clutch out than the rear sprocket being that the clutch will probably end up needing to be changed before too long anyways. And I can swap the original pretty easy to take my kids for rides. I found a gearing calculator online and punched in my specs and a 12 tooth in the front don't make much difference with that big sprocket on the back. But a 14 tooth will get me up to about 45. I need to get a 1" sleeve for the shaft to do that and I'm pretty shure they don't make a 3/4 with a 14 tooth for a reason. I just can't figure out why. Will it stress the engine too much?

  • @matthewvangundy7968
    @matthewvangundy7968 Год назад

    So my question is if i was to remove just the spring and the tension bar on top of the engine would it mess up or still activate the govner

  • @cwyatt06
    @cwyatt06 7 лет назад +1

    For the Oil sensor hole can you just cut the wire loose on the inside, pull the wire out, seal the hole where the wire was with silicone, and just use that bolt to seal?

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  7 лет назад +2

      Yeah that will work. Just let the silicone dry all the way before adding oil

  • @georgeduran8938
    @georgeduran8938 6 лет назад +1

    Hey I was wondering I just purchased a makuni carb do I have to remove the gonernor for it to work properly I also just added a torque converter

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  6 лет назад +1

      No it will make more power at the governed limit but is much better with the governor out

  • @user-lw8jk6nv7l
    @user-lw8jk6nv7l 6 лет назад

    I removed the governor but now it's hard to pull. It easily runs without the spark plug and I've tried swapping for a new cam to see if it was a compression release problem, and I've reset the valve lash. What's wrong?

  • @camgrubbs1791
    @camgrubbs1791 2 года назад +3

    Couldn’t you just cut the wire to the oil sensor?

  • @trevorhill590
    @trevorhill590 6 лет назад

    RB
    I opened the valve cover and realized that my push rods were not engaged after putting it back toward. That's why it wouldn't start. I don't know how to reset them!!! I'm new to the DIY and literally everything I learn is from you.
    Please help

  • @RunePlate
    @RunePlate 6 лет назад +1

    If you remove the governer on the 212, what other mods do you need to have to support it? besides jets/exhaust/intake... should i do billet flywheel/rod and valve springs too?

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  6 лет назад

      Its good to bullet proof it with the billet parts but a must have is 18lb valve springs

  • @lstangel641
    @lstangel641 4 года назад

    I removed the governor, the oil sensor with the yellow wire and the box were the yellow wire goes to. I have no spark now. Any idea? It's a good brand new predator 212. I did everything the video said.

  • @discipleofchrist5217
    @discipleofchrist5217 7 лет назад +1

    Iv got an old school mini baja that im completly redoing. However at the moment i cant afford any motor upgrades so my question is if i remove the governer how long could i ride non stop safely without blowing the motor before i get the funds to completly build the motor?

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  7 лет назад +1

      +Extreme Tint & Decals you can ride it for a long time. Just don't hold it wide open for a long time

    • @discipleofchrist5217
      @discipleofchrist5217 7 лет назад

      Red Beard's Garage awesome. I wanna build this engine to go as fast as it possibly can. Piston rod crank cam valves & springs port & polish head carb intake mani custom header and so on. I know where and how to purchase everything however im not sure what exactly to buy since this is my first build and i dont wanna buy the wrong parts and blow it up lol. So any help would be awesome

    • @discipleofchrist5217
      @discipleofchrist5217 7 лет назад

      Red Beard's Garage also if you use a nail you can just tap the pin out and the governer gear and all comes right out then you can tap the pin back in. Super easy i just done it

  • @notverystealthy9165
    @notverystealthy9165 6 лет назад +2

    I need some help. For some reason the washer that goes behind the governor gear will not come out. It’s almost like it is press guy in. Any ideas on removing it? I have tried a small magnet and that didn’t work

  • @byronvilla-perez6509
    @byronvilla-perez6509 3 года назад +1

    What size bolts 🔩 did you use to plug the oil sensor and governor hole ???

    • @oh_gosh_its_yash
      @oh_gosh_its_yash 2 года назад

      7/16"-14 = oil sensor
      1/4"-20 = governor arm & gear

  • @sargothi
    @sargothi 3 года назад

    I'm a little confused. RBG always has the motor off and seems really involved. I see other videos where they just put their minibike on the side and just pick the governor out with needlenose pliars.

  • @williamdillingham5781
    @williamdillingham5781 Год назад

    One more easier way of deleting the governor shaft is to drive the assembly pin down from the top and out of the block then take the red locktite and put about 2 drops on the end that was on top drive the pin back in until you can feel it start to come through the inside of the block then cut off whatever is on the top of the block flush with the block

  • @ChristopherSanso1
    @ChristopherSanso1 6 лет назад

    I removed the governor and oil sensor on a brand new predator 6.5 predator engine that has never been started before and it won't start. I have the switch turned on the run position I have the gas turned on and the Choke on the start position fresh gas and oil is filled. The only thing I can think of is when I was removing the governor the cam shaft fell out I matched up the two small dots I didn't know if it couldve thrown off my values. Any suggestions thanks I don't have it hooked up to a kill switch yet also and oil sensor is removed

  • @alexanderwademd
    @alexanderwademd 5 лет назад

    Red Beard - bought a Predator 212 for my son's gokart and re-did the throttle - have NOT removed governor. The engine runs so fast it engages centrifugal clutch immediately despite idle adjustment screw being all the way down. Any tips? Will removing the governor slow the engine down? love the vids, tyvm

    • @nutroll4205
      @nutroll4205 5 лет назад

      I would just put a mikuni 22mm kit on it i had the same trouble its the whole throttle assembly.. Its junk i would go with the new carb kit.

    • @itzspyce
      @itzspyce Год назад

      @@nutroll4205 can you install that without removing the governor?

  • @nickqueen2797
    @nickqueen2797 7 лет назад +1

    so I used a 1/4 20 tap but seems as if there isn't much thread depth. also what tap did you use for the oil sensor hole. what size bolts?

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  7 лет назад +1

      I will have to check because I can't remember off the top of my head.

    • @nickqueen2797
      @nickqueen2797 7 лет назад

      Red Beard's Garage ok thank you sir

    • @schulzg
      @schulzg 7 лет назад

      Red Beard's Garage did you ever figure out what the bolt size was for the oil sensor?

    • @xs-1b415
      @xs-1b415 5 лет назад

      @@schulzg I would also like to know what size tap I need. Did you ever figure this out?

  • @claseaaa
    @claseaaa 8 лет назад

    Hi Red. I have a question for you. I don't understand where it is necessary to remove the governor "gear and lever". couldn't you just disengage the attachments to the carburetor instead? please let me know.

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  8 лет назад

      You can but you risk the arm inside the block moving and hitting the crank. Its not worth the risk in my opinion.

    • @claseaaa
      @claseaaa 8 лет назад +1

      thank you so much!!

  • @vangyimleejyaaj4707
    @vangyimleejyaaj4707 3 года назад

    Well if governor remove should I put a new connecting rod and new valve spring or can I still use the stock one and will these affect anything or will it break

  • @MidwestMotoRider
    @MidwestMotoRider 8 лет назад +2

    Nice short version it will be good help to anyone wanting to do this!

  • @JNC1973
    @JNC1973 2 года назад

    I know this video is several years old but whatever I screwed up today while trying to remove my Governor and stock Cam. I really didn't want to go through the process of removing the Engine itself from the frame of the mini bike so stupid me just left the engine in the frame like it normally is and bike just leaning on it's kickstand. I opened the side cover up and first played around with the governor gear until it finally came lose and i pulled it out with needle nose pliers but when i shined my flashlight in there to make sure i got it all out there was still a piece of white plastic sitting behind where i just took the gear off. Then i tried to remove that little swing arm that sits in front of the governor gear by cutting that little black piece that holds it in place from the top of the engine but i didn't cut it flat against the base where the engine is i cut it about an 8th of an inch above the engine and was gonna tap it down till it fell through with a hammer but i couldn't achieve that yet either cause there wasn't enough room to swing a hammer in that tight little space being the engines still in the frame gas tank in the way and other parts. Then after that i pulled out the stock Cam cause i wanted to stick my new Mod 2 Cam in it's place but as soon as i pulled out the stock cam one of the valve rods slid and fell out before i could catch it and keep it in place lol. I was getting so frustrated at that point i said to myself i should have just taken the damn engine outta the frame and none of this crap would be happening to me right now. Then i just said screw this and i left it sitting there in pieces and walked away from it. I have no idea now how to get that valve rod thing to sit properly in the far hole it fell out of cause i can barely see anything from the side point of view to begin with and even if i do manage to slide the rod back up the hole how do i make it stay up there long enough to get the new cam in place so it can prevent the valve rods from coming out ? I'm totally new to this stuff and feel like i definately bit off more than i can chew here. My poor mini bike is disassembled all over the barn floor and i have to figure out how to put everything back together now. I should have just left it alone but trying to find a mini bike mechanic who knows what the hell he is doing in my neck of the North Carolina woods is proving to be a real challenge. I'm in a small Town called Pinnacle near Pilot Mountain and Mount Airy and Winston-Salem. If anybody happens to know or you are yourself a mini bike mechanic or just know how to do the typical mini bike mods and you're around these areas PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let me know and i will pay you cash to get my bike modded and put back together again. I'll even throw the bike in the back of my Ram1500 and bring it to you !!! I thought by watching enough how to videos on you tube that i'd be able to pull it off but i be wrong this time lol. Somebody Please Help Me.................. :(

  • @dr.stevestein1939
    @dr.stevestein1939 4 года назад +1

    Do you need to put in a billet flywheel with the governor removed?

    • @JodBronson
      @JodBronson 4 года назад +1

      If your Engine gets really hot or when you use it for hours, your answer would be YES !!!

  • @RabbitDogz
    @RabbitDogz 8 лет назад +5

    I've been watching your videos and didn't even realize you live in Sweetwater! Lol I'm in vonore

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  8 лет назад +5

      that's awesome man. come down and check me out sometime. I'm up in vonore all the time.

    • @josephatkins6924
      @josephatkins6924 3 года назад

      I also live in Sweetwater! I’ll be doing this same thing to my engine tomorrow.

  • @mellseryt3974
    @mellseryt3974 4 года назад +3

    what are the advantages for remove the governor?

  • @fantro1064
    @fantro1064 4 года назад +3

    If you take the oil sensor out make sure to add a little more oil, to make up for the space!!!

    • @scrapwire1
      @scrapwire1 4 года назад +2

      I usually just fill mine to the level on the stick.

    • @portercole2798
      @portercole2798 3 года назад

      Can I just unplug the sensor?

    • @fantro1064
      @fantro1064 3 года назад

      @@portercole2798 may as well leave it alone if you aren't taking it out

    • @portercole2798
      @portercole2798 3 года назад

      @@fantro1064 what is the purpose of removing it?

    • @fantro1064
      @fantro1064 3 года назад

      @@portercole2798 one less thing that could break and destroy the engine, and it makes room for more oil

  • @ramongonzalez2909
    @ramongonzalez2909 4 года назад

    Question! Will piston rings from a Honda gx 200 fit on a predator 212cc? Thanks!

  • @DamnWelfareBums
    @DamnWelfareBums 7 лет назад +1

    Will the Mikuni carb replacement kit make much of a difference from the stock carb ?

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  7 лет назад +3

      Yes it is a huge difference. Power and a way better throttle response.

    • @DamnWelfareBums
      @DamnWelfareBums 7 лет назад

      Red Beard's Garage Okay thanks.

  • @nsxproperties560
    @nsxproperties560 6 лет назад

    What would happen if you just disconnected and removed the govenor arm and left the internals in place? Would that work?

  • @kraziek316
    @kraziek316 4 года назад +1

    Wouldn't it be okay to leave them sealed as they are and just cut along the sides ?
    That way you wouldn't have to seal anything.

  • @john-kneebee2143
    @john-kneebee2143 6 месяцев назад

    what is the difference, taking out the governor gear or just use a zip tye on the spring ?

    • @flzeke
      @flzeke 2 месяца назад

      Taking out the governor deletes the rpm limit, putting a zip tie on the spring just reduces the limit. i believe putting on a zip tie allows for 500 more rpm from what i've heard

  • @JacobBerry-lo3bm
    @JacobBerry-lo3bm 6 месяцев назад

    That was an excellent how to video! Lot of good tip’s! Thank you 🫡

  • @scrapwire1
    @scrapwire1 4 года назад

    Hi Red Beard, You helped me again, I'm building one of these engines and was about to bash the snap ring, you took my fears away, so now I will bash mine too. Can you tell me how well the stock piston holds up, I'm going to put a Billet rod in mine just because it oils good and shouldn't break, also how dangerous is the flywheel, should I replace it too. Thanks

    • @ajgaskin6322
      @ajgaskin6322 4 года назад +1

      I would do as much billet parts as possible and upgrade your valve springs. The flywheel is not likely to break apart but still is possible so I would get a billet one

    • @xaviermccloud4586
      @xaviermccloud4586 3 года назад

      Out of everything do your valve springs first. 18 or 20 pound valve springs should suffice.

  • @zacharylewis4860
    @zacharylewis4860 4 года назад

    @Red Beards Garage, will disconnecting the wire to the oil sensor do the same thing?

    • @blaminations9805
      @blaminations9805 4 года назад

      Yes, that's what I did and it saved me from having to fill in the hole

  • @gwallabaibee
    @gwallabaibee 3 года назад

    I have a predator 212 engine that the pull cord keeps locking up i tried taking the spark plug out and pulling it but it just doesnt budge i have taken the governer off but it was running really good then i shut it off and this happens can you tell me what you think is the problem

  • @shepherdricks55
    @shepherdricks55 4 года назад

    What will be better if i buy the stage one modification kit or do this

  • @gusduran11
    @gusduran11 7 лет назад +1

    hey bud why can't I just leave the gear inside and just remove the linkage that goes to the throttle. will that work?

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  7 лет назад +1

      You need to remove the lever that goes though the block because it can hit the crank and cause problems.

  • @SKATESPOTSWORLDWIDE
    @SKATESPOTSWORLDWIDE 4 года назад +1

    I removed governor, had 18lb valve springs and go power sports stage 1 kit and my motor blew, literally next day after removing the governor, what did I do wrong?

    • @JakeSeiner
      @JakeSeiner 4 года назад

      I'd say you over revved the motor. How big are your tires and how many teeth are on your sprocket?

    • @SKATESPOTSWORLDWIDE
      @SKATESPOTSWORLDWIDE 4 года назад

      @@JakeSeiner 60 tooth and 145/70-6

    • @SKATESPOTSWORLDWIDE
      @SKATESPOTSWORLDWIDE 4 года назад

      @@JakeSeiner fuck it I had a whole day with it the first day I took it out and I was going 40+ Fosho!!! 2nd day it blew but they are cheap ass engines anyways, I had to send that shit! I had the 60 tooth sprocket, 18lb valve springs and I had my carb jetted (main jet and E-tube) and I had the go power sports stage 1 kit

    • @SKATESPOTSWORLDWIDE
      @SKATESPOTSWORLDWIDE 4 года назад

      And max torque clutch

    • @SKATESPOTSWORLDWIDE
      @SKATESPOTSWORLDWIDE 4 года назад

      On a Baja doodle bug mini bike

  • @isaacgonzalez3672
    @isaacgonzalez3672 3 года назад

    Will it run if I gust un wire the oil sensor or does it have to be removed go-kart will not drift shuts off every time

  • @bryanrandom6382
    @bryanrandom6382 2 года назад

    You help me out on so many things why haven't I subbed yet? Wait... I just did :)

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  2 года назад

      Welcome aboard!

    • @bryanrandom6382
      @bryanrandom6382 2 года назад

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  • @jaytee3565
    @jaytee3565 3 года назад

    Can you just leave the arm in after removing the governor or shim the arm so you don't have to plug it after? 🤔

  • @吳士賢-o2v
    @吳士賢-o2v Год назад

    What would be the effect or change of removing the flywheel?

  • @swjse8747
    @swjse8747 4 года назад +1

    Will some jb weld do fine if I use it to plug the wholes ?

    • @da_morgan364
      @da_morgan364 4 года назад

      The top one maybe but the lower on no

  • @eliezerpomales6118
    @eliezerpomales6118 5 лет назад +1

    red beard s garage what is the difference in eliminating the governor

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  5 лет назад

      Lets the engine rev past its governed 3600 rpms

  • @lomi4267
    @lomi4267 2 года назад

    Say do you know the feeler gauge size for a predator 212 governor removal

  • @FUNNYVlDS
    @FUNNYVlDS Год назад

    What should I purchase after doing this to prevent a hole in the engine

  • @chrisbesaw8042
    @chrisbesaw8042 4 года назад

    Hey if any one doesn't have a tap and dye set you can always use the method provided in this video just drill a small hole threw that Bolt after the nut on the outside and put a carter pin in it

  • @brandanmarhefka1263
    @brandanmarhefka1263 8 лет назад +2

    Is it mandatory to remove the little gold box?

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  8 лет назад

      no not necessarily. but it makes the engine look better. if you remove oil sensor it is useless

    • @brandanmarhefka1263
      @brandanmarhefka1263 8 лет назад

      +Red Beards Garage because I am having trouble when I get it to run I have to hold the throttle wide open and if I let off the engine will not out and I wasn't sure if it would make a difference

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  8 лет назад

      +Brandan Marhefka well air fuel mixture is super finicky on these engines. have you messed with the air box or exhaust?

    • @brandanmarhefka1263
      @brandanmarhefka1263 8 лет назад

      +Red Beards Garage no everything is stock only removed the Govenor and oil sensor

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  8 лет назад

      +Brandan Marhefka when you had the side cover off did you make sure you didn't move the cam out of time?

  • @timmacon6549
    @timmacon6549 2 года назад

    Why do you not tap the low oil sensor like you do the governor arm hole?

  • @deathstar562
    @deathstar562 3 года назад

    if i take off/disable the govenor and put a jet .038 in stock carb with stage 3 exhuast pipe and upgrade air adapter will i need stonger springs then stock and rlv/billet flywheel?

    • @deathstar562
      @deathstar562 3 года назад

      ps. its a non hemi 212 predator with a torque converter

  • @Boostoverdisplacemnt
    @Boostoverdisplacemnt 8 лет назад

    how are the idle rpms affected after the governor is removed or does it just affect top end performance? are there any additional steps that need to be taken to keep the rpm at a safe level? any problem with the rpms running away?

    • @RedBeardsGarage
      @RedBeardsGarage  8 лет назад +1

      +Boostoverdisplacemnt it doesn't affect idle speed. You need the 18lb valve springs so it can handle the higher rpms without floating the valves. I wouldn't keep it pegged out for a long time as the stock rod doesn't have a replaceable bearing like the billet rod upgrade.

    • @Boostoverdisplacemnt
      @Boostoverdisplacemnt 8 лет назад

      thanks!