Sardonicast 161: 2024 Oscar Wins, Moulin Rouge!
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
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Timestamps:
0:00 Twitter drama
29:16 2024 Oscars
55:52 Moulin Rouge!
1:33:21 Questions
2:07:18 Outro + recommendation 
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People take Adam’s opinions too seriously. I disagree with a shit ton of his takes but he actually expresses his valid critiques.
in a movie critic sense yes he's top of the critic charts.. His music critiques are ass though🙄🙄
What's an opinion? Is that another term for interpreted as facts?
At least he backs his opinions. It's up to people's interpretation whether he is right or wrong.
I disagree with him most of the time, he's still one of my favourite critics. He gives interesting perspectives that help me plenty to understand if a movie will work for me or not.
I particularly like that he absolutely seems to feel no obligation to have an opinion he's "supposed to have".
deleted twitter almost a year ago and haven’t looked back. great decision, and hasn’t affected me keeping up with anything important to me
Film Twitter got worse and worse each year and by the end of 2020, deleting Twitter was for the better.
At this point the people still using Twitter are either musk freaks or addicts.
100% agree, I deleted it in July and my mental health has improved quite a bit in some aspects. Was having a conversation with a friend about how he had scenes from The Holdovers spoiled for him (it was on digital in November but didn’t come out in cinemas until January here) and I didn’t realise until then how much I didn’t miss Film Twitter and films being spoiled the second they hit digital (often before), along with daily discourse. My viewing experiences have improved significantly.
Never registered on twitter, is it that bad?
@@bearerofthecurse817yes. stay pure
Lily Gladstone is set to be in Charlie Kaufmans next film!
I gotta say Adum. I disaggre with your reviews 50% of the time. I just watch you because you're funny.
I think there have been a couple of episodes now where the first 20 to 30 minutes feel like Adam going to therapy to talk about issues he's dealing with online, with Alex being the therapist.
Fr ever since Ralph left it’s just been the Adum talk show featuring Alex
RIP Ralph. It’s a shame that his film “Lover” was snubbed at the Oscar’s
Leave Ralph alone just leave him alone
@@Normthemmafighter Who's Ralph ?
This man woke up and chose violence on every upload so far.
Ralph? You mean Ruben?
It ain't no easy grab, they got Ralph!
Twitter doesn’t think a 17 year old can date an 18 year old like they don’t know what’s going on in reality
The way he absolutely sends it when saying “A TALKING CAT!?!” 😂😂😂
Moulin Ralph
Al Pacino cutting to the win is based and he nailed it flawlessly.
25:45 As someone who met Adum outside of a screening of Hundreds of Beavers, I can confirm this to be correct.
Yeah, sorry guys, i know which day it is, I'm not believing that they actually watched Moulin Rouge! but nice try
11:45: Adum's point about a majority of people posting this bullshit on Twitter being the minority of stupid/senseless people is really what I needed to hear. He's so right because when I think about all of the rational/intelligent people in my life, they DON'T interact with that nonsense on twitter, so how can I expect the other people who are interacting with it to be rational and/or intelligent? Scrolling through Twitter (on the rare occasion i do it nowadays) makes me either so viscerally angry I want to scream or insanely sad that I want to cry. Remembering that these are just the assholes pining for attention really does help soften the blow haha
I’ve been watching your channel Adam for almost ten years, and you have definitely been a big part of my appreciation and love for film and media as a whole. You put out more good than bad into the world.
Hyped for the !?! Double feature !?!
Joker 2 is rumored to be a jukebox musical.
Hopefully it doesn't have Baz levels of playlist/editing cringe...
that’s exactly what it’s gonna be lol
21:38 “correlation does not imply causation” is what Adum meant to refer to, I believe
I would unironically recommend Baz Luhrmann's Strictly Ballroom. It's not groundbreaking by any means but it's a really solid film. It's the only thing I've seen from him that I actually like.
Same. I saw it when it first came out, and it was fresh and fun. But I don't see much development in later films. Flashy visuals with little depth.
What baffles me is how someone wished death upon Adam, and some are saying HE'S the one who overreacted.
omg i've seen a talking cat!!! can't wait for the next episode.
Great video bro
Amid the sea of vile comments on the internet, I want to take a second to say, I really appreciate both you guys. Thanks for all you do, all the insights you give, all the time you spend entertaining us, just by being who you are.
Can't wait to walk by the river and listen to this :)
Adam thank you for recommending movies over the years if it wasn’t for you i probably would’ve never watched movies from Jim Cummings who i absolutely love!
There is no time better than now to recommend “Foodfight”. I have been waiting since the beginning for the episode on “Foodfight”
We watched Borat and Requiem for a dream in school😂
Same. We watched a lot of good movies at school
thanks for the episode❤
My high school German teacher showed us Das Boot in class. Easily the best movie I've ever seen in school.
Also, IDK if it counts, but one of my college film classes showed us Rosemary's Baby.
At least for me the Twitter algorithm also changed in a way that it forces popular tweets way more.
I constantly have to mute gimmick accounts and bait posts and that's despite an extensions that hides checkmarks.
Also when I like one post from a niche that's not the one i ususally see it will overtake my entire timeline too.
1:17:35 since Alex asked, John Leguizamo was playing real life artist Toulouse-Lautrec, who famously painted dancers at the real life Moulin Rouge, and who’s growth was stunted from breaking both his legs as a child. That’s why he’s on his knees the whole time or whatever they did with him 😂
Adam has helped me discover some of my favorite movies and I have also met some people that I've formed long lasting friendships with from his community. Appreciate ya Adam! Twitter puts me in a bad mood most of the time I'm on there. It's a shame so many people act like that.
Very wholesome
I liked Thanksgiving and actually Hostel 2 for the final scene alone lol
Never had Twitter, never will. It just seems like cease pool of toxic children that get mad over everything.
Social media is designed to addict and enrage people so they'll keep clicking and seeing ads. All we can hope for is that people continue to wake up to it
Nothing I've heard about Twitter has ever made me want it. Even in the days when it was just people posting about their lunch that day. Seems quaint now.
Like any social media site, Twitter is what you make of it. You're in control of who you follow.
It's all smex pervs and sex bots now. Oh and Nazis.
Glad to be part of the no Twitter /X club.
Hey Alex, remember your April Fools' Day video with Buckley from like... 8 years ago? Back when things didn't suck. Good stuff.
The Taste of Things is a fantastic film to be fair. But the Government’s praise for Justine after the Oscar is insanely hypocritical.
43:30 actually The Zone of Interest will be released in Max or HBO and now watching in a 4K and putting in a quiet white noise with a soundproof will be interesting and disturbing. Coming out this Friday in Max.
The controversy surrounding Glazer’s speech is absolute nonsense. He’s shut up about it and I can’t blame him at all.
41:20 As well as the class idiot known as Ben Shapiro
Sick.
The best Baz Luhrmann film is Strictly Ballroom. Partly because as his first film he hadn't gone full Baz Luhrmann but also because the world of ballroom dancing just clicks well with his instincts.
I've always thought of "director for hire" as directors who are there to be the director but aren't really involved in the creative aspects of it. It's basically the producer or actor's movie, but they hire someone else to direct it.
After Earth was pretty obviously Will Smith's movie, not M. Night Shyamalan's. Louis Leterrier has had more than one movie controlled by the actors. The James Bond movies are pretty clearly controlled by Eon Productions.
1:33:35 Thank you guys so much for answering my question! However, upon reconsideration, I could have provided better examples. I am a big fan of James Mangold and Christopher McQuarrie as writers and filmmakers, but I dislike it when people label them as "directors for hire" because they are talented and confident filmmakers who refuse to heed mindless executives. I dislike how some individuals perceive certain filmmakers who may not have a distinct style or themes in their films, as lackluster compared to auteurs.
jonathan glazer is too based for hollywood :(
Is it based ? He seems to be keeping up with the trends politically speaking. The left is pro-palestine at this point (not cool/fashionable to be openly pro-zionist) and hollywood is predominantly a leftist institution.
This is the episode i wish i was on bc i love moulin rouge and im screaming at my phone rn 😅
I remember watching Tremors in middle school. That was pretty good.
Day 73 of asking for an episode on the Evil Dead trilogy
What was the Adam Twitter drama specifically? I don't have Twitter and i don't think any of the lads directly said what it was other than the hyperbolic reaction.
Edit: 9:28 ok Joyland movie mentioned.
Yeah, is there a tl;dr on it and the people involved? They're being vague in the video
@@Opno mostly it just seems like people brought up old opinions on movies Adam has or used to have. Apart from Joyland idk what else they're referring to because it doesn't seem like Joyland was the catalyst to the "drama" but a response to it because it was novel.
Last week I saw someone on Twitter talking about how Adam said the music in Toy Story 3 was “emotionally manipulative” and how that’s a bad take, because music was meant to manipulate you, and that’s literally the only controversy I can think of as a casual Twitter-user. Mind you, TS3 came out 14 years ago and it’s literally just a movie opinion
I believe Joyland is how it started. Someone who worked on the film came across his review, in which he gave it an overall positive rating, and made death threats against him. After that people who already didn't like Adam started jumping on or posting their own tweets about unrelated things he said that they disagreed with.
Adum doesn’t like Quinton Reviews? I remember him being on an episode like 5 years ago, I wonder what happened in the time between. 10:20
Honesty, self acceptance and self investment is a great way to combat outside validation seeking for me. I did a lot of internal thinking and while it's hard to really be honest about your faults and even your virtues, it helps to really understand what you value and why you value what you do, but that usually isnt easy to find while you're a teen, but thats when you seek the most validation.
Just remind yourself that you can feel something and accept that you feel something without it being valid or invalid, it can just exist.
"I like this game." "Why? that game sucks." is so than different "I like this game." "really? Damn, I hated that game so much, what did you like about it?" and you talk about your own experiences without trying to de value the other person. It seriously helped me feel comfortable with my own feelings when I started talking like this. It made me more interested in why the other person liked a game I hated and why I hated that game, and in the end I learned what I valued in a game experience. I still hated the game, but now I know why and I ended up feeling like a better person for not being a dick.
Baz Luhrmann is even less cool when you remember he is just a guy named Mark...
Oh HI Mark
I've seen A Talking Cat?!? about 19 times and A Talking Pony?!? twice.
The quality in Pony is so much higher yet its still barely a 3/10. While Talking Cat?!? is 10
Yayy who's ready to hear Adam complain for an hour
Still baffled by Adam's reaction to Elemental. It wasn't great, but I would easily put it in mid-tier Pixar.
A Talking Cat - a movie that has more water cutaways than dialogue
I love how Adam's "Roxanne" and "Al Pacino" both sound like Wario.
29:00 I feel for adum since some of his American jokes aren’t going to get acknowledged now, but “Oscar meyers” was clever and appreciated
Can someone fill me in on what sparked the drama they’re talking about? I have better things to do so I’ve never had a twitter account in my life.
A film I was reminded of during this discussion was Across The Universe. Much like Moulin Rouge, it's a jukebox musical that deals with a romantic plot. Though the differences between the two are night and day. Whilst it does have problems, Across The Universe felt like it knew how to develop its main romantic couple, using the backdrop of the 60's counterculture to explore what exactly drives our heroes to do what they do.
Not to mention, they stick consistently to the theme of Beatles music by having the tracks help tell the story or add a different interpretation to a song (Like how "I Want You' is used as a song about America's draft during the Vietnam War). Sure, it can get self-indulgent in its visuals (A staple of that director), but the visual imagery is so stylish and edited properly that it feels like an art exhibition come to life.
Moulin Rouge on the other hand is just constant loudness and throwing random ingredients into the pot to create something "stylish". And really, that's how Baz Luhrmann's thinking process is for his films: shots that don't last more than 2 seconds because he wants to get everything into frame, over-the-top acting that thinks it's selling an epic, surface-level understanding or no understanding for what it's making (Like it's constant uttering of "love" even though it fails to communicate why it's such a powerful emotion), and tunes just plucked from random eras to make it seem "artistic". Sure, it did pave the way for works like Chicago, Sweeney Todd and Dreamgirls, but Luhrmann's style is just headache-inducing. I never understood why he's somehow gotten this much work and acclaim (Granted, there are some duds to his name, but even they have their defenders).
THANK YOU! ML never even defines what "love" is, and what you said about everything else eloquently summarises Lhurmann's entire filmography: loud, annoying, and totally falls apart under any scrutiny.
Why don’t you like quinton reviews? You literally had him on the show.
Maybe that's why? Maybe they interacted with him, and didn't like it? Also, his channel is terrible.
Idk if this is the only reason but Quinton threw a weird unprompted jab at sardonicast a little bit ago, probably soured their opinion of him
hoooly cow. when you guys said there was a NIRVANA song in this i had to look it up. terrible mistake
2:09:48
Alex: I think I've seen "A talking cat?!?"
Adum: *soul leaves body*
10:21 Completely out of the loop with said content creator, but an odd coincidence to hear Quinton Reviews catch a stray (relatively) shortly after the inside scoop on The Snark Tank.
My only association with A Talking Cat!?! is the old JonTron review.
The movie that requires an epilepsy warning
I actually had a few great movies screened for my English class in high school. 12 Angry Men stuck out the most.
tbh undertanding my own values changed my life tbh. I dont feel the need to argue with people because I just tell them I dont value that stuff. I value atmosphere and tone and subtle movement/expression a lot more than dialogue and action, so Im always trying to push myself to be more comfortable with that. People have asked me to do certain things in my art, but Im drawing what I want to see, what I want to feel. I feel privileged to be able to do that externally and help others connect in that same way.
the Roxanne cover was good
One of the better aspects of the film.
those in glass houses shouldn't critique other people's covers of Roxanne when your own cover is about a thousand times worse...
...that's how that phrase goes, right?
It's sad to me that the speech for Godzilla's VFX win will be the longest VFX acceptance speech in recent years and for the forseeable future for the sole reason that there was no translator.
Godzilla minus one was a strong 9 for me... maybe an 8 if I am being really critical, but if you watch critics just because they agree with you thats how you end up with hacks like the critical drinker that are 75% ideology driven, and 25% film driven. I may never have watched "I'm thinking of ending things" without YMS. I genuinely like the critiques even if I dont always agree.
38:45 It will be another controversy where Spider-Verse should've won instead of Boy and the Herron because this was Miyazaki’s comeback anime masterpiece and I will revisit if coming out in Max along with Ghibli films and it's a fantastic Miyazaki style over anime designs movie and Schaffrillas talked about it so he defended his top spot in 2023 and the plot focuses more of Miyazaki making his delusional plot about his mind compared to the boy’s journey. It’s a tough challenge winning so Ghibli fans really pushing to win the film than people wanted the Spider-Verse sequel can be top spot movie.
42:51 what's next? Borderlands will be his next masterpiece since Knock Knock or Thankskilling? Faced…oofff
Twitter has become almost unusable since Elon took over. There's a billion reasons why but a big one, in my opinion, is that they introduced a "For You" page that constantly recommends you shit outside of your Follows. Add the blue checkmarks that heavily incentivize engagement baiting on top and you got endless slop and forced drama.
I remember way back when I was a Nostalgia Critic fan that Doug put Moulin Rouge at the top of his list of “Movies Everyone Else Seems To Love But I Don’t/Hate” and it honestly might be his most based movie take (minus him dropping “whorebag”).
Doug is overall a pretty good critic with a diverse knowledge in film. He is a bad filmmaker but those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
EDIT: To clarify, I don't like him, I just think there's a J K Rowling situation here where people choose not to get into legitemately harmful thing they're done and instead criticize their creative decisions for things that often doesn't even track.
@@yggdrasil2lol what? Walker is a bad critic who doesn’t understand basic film choices. Even in his MR review, he doesn’t seem to understand the basics
@@samb8744 Can you give an example?
@@thecinematicmind ?
Why does it look like Vegas?
Several of David DeCoteau's movies have multiple titles. Rereleased multiple times to fool people to watch them again. Most of his movies are filmed at the same house.
38:10 I love Da’Vine’s performance in this movie and she earned it beautifully until the pee joke was pretty funny.
America Ferrera did good for one speech about Barbie and everything about women can do was pretty bombastic.
30:45 thankfully no threats against “Maestro” not winning any Oscars so it was sweep all the way through. Its funny that Adam reviewed the movie and how Oscar-bait toxic really is?
“I’M REIGNING IN IT!!!” 😩 Mommy! This Brad dude with that scary looking fake nose is scaring me!!!
Who abandoned Snoopy in the vestibule? Who abandoned Snoopy? I mean it’s his day!
Big Snoopy balloon scene is the best part of these two complaining their relationship scene.
"I'M REIGNING IT IN!" I was dying inside with that scene.
I wonder why adum didn’t speak when talking about best director, oh well
1:33:21 I always think of Ron Howard as a styleless director
He’s kind of a second-rate Robert Zemeckis
Wait, why don't Adum like Quintonreviews? Is there some drama I've missed? Because he was a guest on the podcast a couple of years ago.
Silly drama.
Quinton made a joke about the film he discussed on the podcast and that somehow devolved into some kind of beef.
There's still the reddit posts talking about it
@@AndresGomez-ct7qb wait so that was five years ago lol?
I honestly don't know, I tried googling it, but the best I could find is that he apparently made a tweet where he complained about Sardonicast, but he did it while not directly name dropping Sardonicast, which is a weird move.
To be fair, a lot of people don't like Quinton for a variety of reasons. He's been in some drama a few years back. I don't know the truth of this in terms of if people just overreacted or if it was justified. Amongst that he made a post about Sardonicast that made it seem like he hated it because he didn't even mention what podcast it was. (We know because it was a post about the movie Happiness.)
He said he thought it was weird to invite him on but not let him pick the movie, which is fair, especially because Happiness is NOT the type of film Quinton usually looks at. It's a complete non-issue.
If I can say one thing about the music in Elvis, as someone who is a big fan of that movie:
One of the things that that movie endeavored to do was to give the audience a contemporary musical vocabulary to help them understand the effect that Elvis’s music had at the time, especially since a lot of that has been dulled over the decades. With the way music has evolved and developed in the decades since Elvis, I don’t think you can really make people understand how threatening Elvis’s music felt in the 50’s just by playing it as is.
I think that utilizing a hip hop beat when the Colonel first hears “That’s All Right” was an effective way of getting across what Elvis represented to white America back then. If nothing else, I respect it more than when biopics are only interested in playing the hits.
Interesting perspective, hadn’t heard this thanks for sharing. One counterpoint tho is that we are now immersed in hip hop to the point where it’s basically just like oldies to people under 30. Perhaps it could have been even more out there music to get across what you’re saying
@@cgnomazoidThanks for responding! So I think that hip hop music, as well as the heavy metal guitar wailing in the Louisiana Hayride scene, provide a specificity that’s necessary when getting across Elvis’s impact. With the hip hop, you have an explicit analog to what Hank Snow calls “negro rhythms,” and with the guitar shredding, we get a sense of the danger that Elvis was perceived as embodying.
I don’t know if music that was just out there would necessarily get those specific things across as quickly or effectively, since metal is by nature abrasive and rap is heavily tied to black culture. Even though these things are commonplace now, they still provide a kind of shorthand that’s necessary for the film.
*SARDONICAST?!?!?*
The older I get the more I realize there really are people who get mad if you are a gay person who is successful. It really isn’t much more complicated than that
Thank goodness The After wasn’t an Oscar Winner for Live Action Short Film. But War is Over is the worst Oscar Win of the night. It’s a better tech demo than a Short Film. Ninety-Five Senses was the best deserved and Pachyderme.
35:23 I don't mind that Lily Gladstone didn't won the Oscar because Emma Stone takes outstanding performance in Poor Things. Emma did a great job of being a looney bin character whether born new or mentally, she nailed it very outstanding. Lily did good, I'll give a fair, but not much of her acting. Her performance did make her an outstanding widow and she only played off being ill and being sick just makes it unpleasing to me. It will be whether a cheat compared to Lee Curtis won over Angela last 2023, it will be a cheat over against Emma won another Oscar.
Thank you very much for validating my feelings about Moulin Rouge. My friends forced me to watch it and it genuinely felt like a punishment.
Havent tuned in, in a while. What happened to ralph?
So, I actually like Moulin Rouge, but I think a massive reason why is that... I had no idea it was a jukebox musical for YEARS. I was not raised on popular American music at all, and I thought every song in the movie was original.
I do agree about the other issues with the film though. It's unpleasantly chaotic and shallow.
I've seen the moulin rouge musical twice (don't ask) and every time a pop song starts, everybody in the audience laughs. It's very strange in juxtaposition to how seriously the story takes itself. I couldn't get through ten minutes of the movie.
My heart. I love Moulin Rouge, but i can totally get their problems.
People are insecure about opinions…about movies
Two hours in and … I don’t get it, how is this an April Fools joke?
I want Kill Bill vol. 3, the door is open a crack for a sequel. We never know if Elle dies.
I am so thankful that I have never used twitter
Can anyone share some musicals that aren't shit? South Park Bigger, Longer, Uncut is still my easy #1. I tried watching Across the Universe after someone recommended it, and I had to turn it off after 15 mins, and that's coming from someone who managed to get through most Baz Lolman films without much strain.
The oscors was 2 months ago?
What was the Twitter drama?
Yeah they didn't really explain what the drama was. I'm guessing it was just people generally attacking yms and his whole channel.
Just a bunch of people on Twitter deciding they don't like him and shitting on him. There was probably some opinion people decided they didn't like that started it but it just devolved into mob mentality
It's probably not the drama they were talking about here, but one of the directors of one of the movies Adum reviewed somewhat recently talked shit about Adum for not liking their movie. This included death threats, I believe.
Edit: They actually do talk about what I said at 9:28.
I love you both so much
What happened to YMS (what they're talking to at the top) - I am out of the loop. Kisses x
A filmmaker on “Joyland” made a tweet crying about Adam’s criticisms of the film. She said she should be able to “legally kill this white boy”. Just some performative whining on Twitter, then a shit ton of haters just piled on after that.
I’m shocked you guys still use twitter at this point. Once PragerU started spamming the shit out of the ads I immediately ducked out.
John Leguizamo was supposed to be Toulouse Lautrec. That's why they made him small.
1:14:25 🎵BAAAAAADDD BAAAAZZZZ🎶
Twitter is absolute cancer. The culture there is having unhealthy discourse that I do not take anything seriously or feel it's a place to have an educated discussion.
it’s insane to me you guys found Space Jam funny and entertaining all the way through but couldn’t stand Moulin Rouge. I guess everyone’s got their own preferences, but every scene in toonland in space jam is the exact kind of hyperactive and insufferable y’all seem to think this thing is. Tango de Roxanne and Like a Virgin are both so full of life and energy they draw you into the insanity! i love this film.