the degen I saw were on a pvp low population server where horde players ganked alliance in ratchet.The alliance did no damage or little damage to fool the algoritm - even i were invited once and did my part- i fought empty handed but that was one time , saw the same guys for weeks at the ratchet grave yard
I don't know man, just roll a frost mage, mount up and pull 30-80 mobs using a mana shield and a frost shield and then just blizzard them down. Get like 10 levels in under an hour of actual play with casual grinding and alt tabbing to watch youtube while you wait for respawn. So pretty much 10 levels a day just chilling logged on for ~3 hours a day.
You left out how some PVP groups would organize who would get Rank 1 for each week, and if anyone stepped out of line they were doxxed and given death threats.
It's so funny how the whole internet goes on about death threats. Jesus. Like a fucking nerd that spents all his allowance on 10 accounts to multibox is capable of offing someone.
If anyone was doxxed it was by blizzard not some basement dwelling 80iq sloth wow player. They ain’t figuring out how to do that and playing wow 24/7. You must have played on the developer server.
Hm, not really. A lot of items are worth that much and other games have more worthfull items. Swift Spectral Tiger is worth like 13.000 Euro/Dollar. And in Counter Strike people pay MILLIONS for a single skin. A Skin. Not a better weapon which makes you OP like Gressil.
@@RaimaNd that's true but not all items across all games mean the same, Gressil it's a weapon in an always progressing game, prob didn´t even last half a year before it was obsolete for all of it's purpose (being a BiS item), meanwhile CS skins have their purpose (looking good) for as long as they exist, also they have an IRL market value (unlike Gressil). 4,5k on an item that will become irrelevant in a couple months just to have the best weapon in an mmorpg (easiest genre of multiplayer game) for a short period of time is absolutely peak degeneracy
I remember having to take a break from WoW before battlegrounds were released. As a solo warrior, there was nothing more cancer than being camped 10 times, only for the next camper to show up.
When Classic 2019 launched, I made my own speedrunning guild and maintanked in it. I also REALLY wanted to secure some worldboss loot for my guild, so I created an alliance with 2 other guilds which...Wasn't easy to maintain socially with one of them as their leader's views...Uh...DIFFERED a bit to mine and that of the 2nd guild leader, to say it VERY nicely... And well, it worked. We literally OWNED Worldbosses for like, half a year and got a ton of loot out of it. And I don't mean "We killed Azuregos sometimes", I mean we literally owned every single Worldboss that existed, including all Nightmare Drakes, Kazzak and Azuregos. Some of these players literally made 2nd accounts with level 20 warlocks just to scout + summon people to said worldbosses and we awarded points based on how long people were scouting for, with some exceptions made to the Maintanks of all 3 guilds. This was hell. Literally, absolutely, not worth it. I barely even scouted and I still hated this. Having to deal with the social politics wasn't worth it, the slightly better loot wasn't worth it, it was so stupid ugh. ...And I still kinda fondly remember it?? I get how people get old and tell people about hardships they had with a fond and pleasant outlook now, it's odd. I also had several rank 14 players in my and those other 2 guilds, who got VERY mad at a rankbreaker who argued "I just wanna keep playing :P" when we all knew he was botting. He was online 24/7, without a single pause, ALWAYS in AV.
I will never forget Christmas Eve 2019, I got a discord notification server wide ping at like 2 or 3am that Kazzak was up and before I could finish my internal, half asleep thought about what psychos are playing wow this early on Christmas eve, another ping came out telling us that one of the top guilds on the server got 40 people there and killed it within a few minutes. The amount of people and level of degeneracy clearly shows red flags that they need some help IRL but it was entertaining at least. That is the best part about online gaming, you can play how you want.
on Benediction PVP, there was a mage in our guild that got to 60 in less than a week and used layer hopping to get over 200 black lotus before it was fixed. This was in the days before Blizzard increased the spawn locations and frequency. Flasks were over 300g by the time I stopped classic vanilla early in phase 2...
It takes only a few degenerate gold buyers to spawn dozens of bots unfortunately. Can't hold the entire community responsible for that shit, blizz just needs to actually hand out the bans they don't want to for more sub money.
Ugh yes. This made classic a LOT worse for sure. At first I thought GDKP was just a fun way to assure everyone gets at least SOMETHING but as soon as I noticed people paying thousands of gold on non-Mage players I knew something was up.
As someone who played vanilla i remember talking to people who where rank one on our server and the way they maintained it was account sharing with guildies in different time zones. That level of uptime was necessary. Fucking crazy.
Didn't mention pool boosting in PvP. You'd need to create dozens of alts and have them run to a graveyard to be killed so that they would be included in the server's ranking calculations (more players in the pool meant bigger brackets at higher ranks).
I'd honestly say pool boosting was anti-degen. People did it on my server because it saved insane amounts of time for everyone on the horde side. As a result, the PvP scene actually behaved like human beings, rather than monkeys throwing shit at each other. Ranking up was easy enough that people could just do it without cross-faction nonsense like win trading or playing for 12 hours a day for months.
You know what is degenerate? Using demonic rune as a warlock (espeically in the burning steppes while farming imps for soul shards). "BUT IT'S NOT ON THE GLOBAL COOL DOWN!!!!!"
As degen as classic wow can be, videos like this make me happy I played and play classic. All of these events have created great memories. Classic wow has created some of my best gaming memories I have ever had. Retail wow doesn’t have an inch of personality that classic does. Retail just feels like an empty allow button masher and there’s no social interaction. It’s a shame. It has no great player-created stories.
I 100% remember setting my notifications to max volume and waking up at 3am for world bosses. But dang it i got my 4-set of Eskhandar and procced that sweet ghost tiger in raid
@mcfarvo I was lucky enough to be allowed a non-meta spec, during the whole of classic I played a Combat rogue that would only use Fist weapons. So that set really was perfect for my sort of RP or whatever you'd call it
Slow paced leveling...matched with all the sweatys who rush to 60 only to abandon the game and turn their server into a wasteland for others who took their time xD
I don't think that's accurate. Why would you see level 60's in the world when there was no point in being in the world once they've gotten BiS from dungeons? If everyone started an alt once they got to max level and got BiS the world would feel more alive, the problem is the game relies on other people playing the same as everyone else, but that's just not the way the game works. Once I've started leveling up an alt most players are at endgame and not leveling anymore. They already spent a majority of their free time playing and need a break.
Man, there’s a video floating around out there of my guild waiting our turn for Kazzak, a healer from the opposing faction/rival guild decided to flag and goad us on but no one bit. However I was just waiting for them to get about 30 seconds into their attempt before popping full cooldowns as a top dps warrior at the time. Wiped their whole group, I want to find that video again. Jem I know you still have it somewhere !!
I think one of the things people do not take into account while doing classic raiding is the latency and internet connection speeds. I think a lot of the difficulty of older raids is poor response time etc, also the fact that raiding on that scale did not really exist outside of WoW, EQ had raiding but it was mostly just tank and spank for the entire process up until Planes of Power. Not saying it was super difficult, but that likely accounts for the differing views on its level of difficulty, also nowadays everyone knows everything there is to know about Classic/Vanilla, the knowledge gap is massive.
I remember hearing about the guild that realm transferred to a new server specifically to start the AQ event. That is the most degenerate thing to have ever happened, in my opinion
Just to reinforce how insane Phase 2 was when pvp launched in 2019, i literally had to quit the game for weeks because it was in fact 100% unplayable, you could not go to any zone without getting ganked and corpse camped, it was completely insane. Like, as soon as i logged in I would INSTANTLY die before loading screen even finnished
The community really got ruining the classic experience down to a science and now we will never have fun vanilla communities ever again thanks sweaties...
Best moment is grizzly transferring to sulfuras, opening aq gates week one for us, and then being a holes on the entire server for a bit. But the entire horde got together and did not allow a SINGLE alliance player to get scarab lord.
Proud to say i did 10/10 of these :D We even had a spreadsheet of horde players so we cld track who we had killed that day to track honorless targets and had a 3rd account to check locations of the most horde/ horde we still needed to kill that day
I don't think I knew that there were world bosses in vanilla. I never saw one and I would never raided really so... This is new news to me 20 years later LMAO
Let's not forget there were no add-ons back then, so you NEEDED a strong leader and people that knew their role so you didn't just spend all your time running to the dungeon over and over. CC was a real thing back then.
12:48 -- but it's true. Despite the fact that nearly every guild that wanted to clear Naxx did so in 2019 Classic, in 2006, something like ~1000 players did it. That's true; it's not misremembered.
I had quite a good route in burning steppes that I frequented on my BWL/AQ40 geared mage, before and after the buffs and I had pretty great success getting them because as the lotus farmers were all fresh 60 hunters, I had fun killing them :) there was one time I had to kill FOUR(in succession, not simultaneously) before successfully getting a particular lotus. my gear made that possible as one shatter combo was enough to global one of them lol
I got to rank 10 back in 2006 or so. And I raided as well pretty hardcore. I had a lot of free time, otherwise I'd have had no chance. One of Draenors rank 14 farmers was also from the same country as me, Wales. She had been constantly hammering BG's for months and months. I never did find out if she got there or not, but she was annoyed about the changes in TBC pre patch where anyone could get the HWL gear with no rank requirements etc. I can see why, as that gear would have been replaced while lvling in TBC for anyone just getting it for that, but for those who had been farming for months would have kept it forever for obvious reasons. Really tempted to go back to Classic, but whether I'd play the same class is another thing. Shaman was really dull to lvl and wasnt much fun at max lvl either back then, but with dual spec it might be less frustrating.
I never understood world buffs, me and several other World PvP randos got bored and just grouped up and went and beat all the raids in vanillla, no one had world buffs and we never looked up bosses or wiped more than 3 times before we figured out the mechanics the fight. It was stupid easy, then again PvP players are always far superior to PvE players when it comes to DPS, tactics, and not standing in shit.
way way back in the day we were on a relatively new server and AQ hadn't been opened. Our guild at the time was top PVE for that server with BWL on farm. So we decided to take the war effort into our own hands. I had an excel spreadsheet and we advertised to the entire server that we would be taking contributions for the war effort where we set levels of stuff like linen cloth that would earn you, for instance, a class tier set piece from MC, or a random drop from MC, etc. This was back in the day where raiding took around 40 people so if you were casual at all you needed a committed guild to do anything. Once we had the ability to unlock because we'd completed the war effort we basically spent all night on alts trying to cross up the PVE guild on our server. We ended up holding until a Monday morning or something and spent the rest of the day ganking the horde guild rivals who only had a few diehards camping out the event start. I still remember getting tons and tons of mail to turn in for the war effort and exploding random players in Ironforge with all of those random buff scrolls you would get. Good times. Cry More, on Balnazzar circa 2005.
World buffs were so annoying lol. I remember raging so hard when I died in DM getting the tribute buff. Luckily my guild didn't really care that much and aslong as you got Ony buff and STV buff which were super easy to get especially when people would do summons and coordinate drops
@@Ally.Cat.252 just my opinion… SoD was fun at the start, but got super weird in the end. Fresh is always an exciting and amazing feeling… it’s kinda sad that it’s really degenerate and there is only min/maxing groups. But if u got a group of friends it’s an incomparable experience
wasn't there a point with silithid where people were mass reporting JUST to have exclusive rights to farm or was it something else i cant remember. though i guess either way that was also a degen moment from the community.
As an alliance rogue player, I had to admit that camping near Yojamba Isle with my buddy Rogue, waiting for the fully buffed warriors, and killing them were my favorite things: letting the warriors use all CDs and letting them be killed slowly. That fulfilled my day - Old good days
Pretty much everything wrong with classic is and always was the community. Gdkp's ruining raiding, completely toxic and inaccessible server economies, toxic farming culture, a super toxic meta, even just levelling was ruined. It was all the players' own fault.
The most degenerate action is when a high level character steals a mining node whilst being farmed by a low level such as trying to mine a copper node and a lvl 60 takes it from you and says its need for AQ , absolute scum move and pathetic.
@@Loeschzwerch on fairbanks people were paying for others to mine ores and vendor the ores so they wouldnt make it to the market for turn ins. If that helps you understand the frustration
Man if I was a resto shaman or priest in a guild that wanted to speed run and my flasks were costing 150g+ I'd tell them to get bent im out 😂 Also don't think I'll be spending all that time trying to grab all the world Buffs for raids for some idiot to potentially wipe us and waste it
We had an oiler offering $1500 for our guild to delay the gong bang and boost his warrior to SL, never accepted the offer so dunno whether the money was real or not, but he was paying insane gold amounts for carapaces
There was a moment of realization in Vanilla WOW when people realized that with crit that Paladins were just the best healers and it was just not well received. Just at a certain gear level it was no longer competitive between classes.
It’s fine if they would fix it. The problem was the no change crowd, and developers with no player clout to make us trust them, meant absolutely no changes. A few changes actually would have made the experience a lot better especially in pvp.
Any person I see incorrectly type the word "Spellcleave" in LFG channel is put on ignore. I can only assume they got confused when going to type AOE farm, as I doubt a level 33 mage is trying to start an arena team.
@@d.optional3381 he's not exactly wrong - he was correct about the OG wow talent tree, example - innervate used to be the 31 pt resto druid talent. Classic used 1.12 talents not the pre-TBC patch talents
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the degen I saw were on a pvp low population server where horde players ganked alliance in ratchet.The alliance did no damage or little damage to fool the algoritm - even i were invited once and did my part- i fought empty handed but that was one time , saw the same guys for weeks at the ratchet grave yard
I don't know man, just roll a frost mage, mount up and pull 30-80 mobs using a mana shield and a frost shield and then just blizzard them down. Get like 10 levels in under an hour of actual play with casual grinding and alt tabbing to watch youtube while you wait for respawn. So pretty much 10 levels a day just chilling logged on for ~3 hours a day.
Insane how an old game like WoW is still played a demonstration of how a good game can survive for a long time
You left out how some PVP groups would organize who would get Rank 1 for each week, and if anyone stepped out of line they were doxxed and given death threats.
You mean rank 14? Rank 1 is easy...
@@EvlEglehe means rank 1 bracket of honor in a given week, part of the rank 14 process
It's so funny how the whole internet goes on about death threats. Jesus. Like a fucking nerd that spents all his allowance on 10 accounts to multibox is capable of offing someone.
If anyone was doxxed it was by blizzard not some basement dwelling 80iq sloth wow player. They ain’t figuring out how to do that and playing wow 24/7. You must have played on the developer server.
@@Derjeniche1510😂 for real
The $4,500 Gressil from GDKP has to be top a top degen moment
Hm, not really. A lot of items are worth that much and other games have more worthfull items. Swift Spectral Tiger is worth like 13.000 Euro/Dollar. And in Counter Strike people pay MILLIONS for a single skin. A Skin. Not a better weapon which makes you OP like Gressil.
@@RaimaNdthat’s just fcuken insane
Should never even be allowed to use irl money for raid items
@@RaimaNd that's true but not all items across all games mean the same, Gressil it's a weapon in an always progressing game, prob didn´t even last half a year before it was obsolete for all of it's purpose (being a BiS item), meanwhile CS skins have their purpose (looking good) for as long as they exist, also they have an IRL market value (unlike Gressil). 4,5k on an item that will become irrelevant in a couple months just to have the best weapon in an mmorpg (easiest genre of multiplayer game) for a short period of time is absolutely peak degeneracy
The most degen thing i remember a girl wanted a flying mount in tbc but dont have enough gold and fucked some guy for enough gold Xd
I remember having to take a break from WoW before battlegrounds were released. As a solo warrior, there was nothing more cancer than being camped 10 times, only for the next camper to show up.
time to reroll
This was the reason why I transferred to a pve server since it was literally impossible to play the game
just call a healer for questing and fight and stop cry
You sign up for this by rolling on a pvp server
@@lucaschebance3135I bet you feel very edgy now 🙄
When Classic 2019 launched, I made my own speedrunning guild and maintanked in it. I also REALLY wanted to secure some worldboss loot for my guild, so I created an alliance with 2 other guilds which...Wasn't easy to maintain socially with one of them as their leader's views...Uh...DIFFERED a bit to mine and that of the 2nd guild leader, to say it VERY nicely... And well, it worked. We literally OWNED Worldbosses for like, half a year and got a ton of loot out of it. And I don't mean "We killed Azuregos sometimes", I mean we literally owned every single Worldboss that existed, including all Nightmare Drakes, Kazzak and Azuregos.
Some of these players literally made 2nd accounts with level 20 warlocks just to scout + summon people to said worldbosses and we awarded points based on how long people were scouting for, with some exceptions made to the Maintanks of all 3 guilds.
This was hell. Literally, absolutely, not worth it. I barely even scouted and I still hated this. Having to deal with the social politics wasn't worth it, the slightly better loot wasn't worth it, it was so stupid ugh.
...And I still kinda fondly remember it?? I get how people get old and tell people about hardships they had with a fond and pleasant outlook now, it's odd.
I also had several rank 14 players in my and those other 2 guilds, who got VERY mad at a rankbreaker who argued "I just wanna keep playing :P" when we all knew he was botting. He was online 24/7, without a single pause, ALWAYS in AV.
That "Type II fun" haha
I will never forget Christmas Eve 2019, I got a discord notification server wide ping at like 2 or 3am that Kazzak was up and before I could finish my internal, half asleep thought about what psychos are playing wow this early on Christmas eve, another ping came out telling us that one of the top guilds on the server got 40 people there and killed it within a few minutes. The amount of people and level of degeneracy clearly shows red flags that they need some help IRL but it was entertaining at least. That is the best part about online gaming, you can play how you want.
Tbf, you were checking discord pings at 3 am on Christmas Eve, so there’s that level of degenerate as well 😂😂
Insane story brother!
on Benediction PVP, there was a mage in our guild that got to 60 in less than a week and used layer hopping to get over 200 black lotus before it was fixed. This was in the days before Blizzard increased the spawn locations and frequency. Flasks were over 300g by the time I stopped classic vanilla early in phase 2...
Number 1: Community normalising buying gold from bots, making them responsible for said botting.
It takes only a few degenerate gold buyers to spawn dozens of bots unfortunately. Can't hold the entire community responsible for that shit, blizz just needs to actually hand out the bans they don't want to for more sub money.
If only there was an overarching authority that could stop botting. If only.. oh wait.
Ugh yes. This made classic a LOT worse for sure. At first I thought GDKP was just a fun way to assure everyone gets at least SOMETHING but as soon as I noticed people paying thousands of gold on non-Mage players I knew something was up.
@@SirMalorak atleast it isn't allowed on the 20th anniversary fresh classic server.
YES. Thanks for these throwbacks. I’ll never trust blizzard again but 2019 classic was my favorite job of my whole wow career.
What did you do there. Fetch the horde players coffee?
Job? Career?
As someone who played vanilla i remember talking to people who where rank one on our server and the way they maintained it was account sharing with guildies in different time zones. That level of uptime was necessary. Fucking crazy.
Effing crazy? Maybe.
Effing bad game mechanic? Definitely!
Yup. Worst pvp rank design ever.
Pvpers like to climb MMR.
1. Rank 14
2. Rank 13
3. Rank 12.... Etc
There are more degenerate moments in this video than you can shake your WillE at!!!
only saw 1 black lotus on Faerlina during all of classic and it was taken by a druid before i could get to it.
Mooooo
Weren’t trying hard enough then.
Didn't mention pool boosting in PvP. You'd need to create dozens of alts and have them run to a graveyard to be killed so that they would be included in the server's ranking calculations (more players in the pool meant bigger brackets at higher ranks).
That's pool boosting. Bracket stacking was something else
Oh yeah that was it. Still didn't get a mention though.
I'd honestly say pool boosting was anti-degen. People did it on my server because it saved insane amounts of time for everyone on the horde side.
As a result, the PvP scene actually behaved like human beings, rather than monkeys throwing shit at each other. Ranking up was easy enough that people could just do it without cross-faction nonsense like win trading or playing for 12 hours a day for months.
You know what is degenerate? Using demonic rune as a warlock (espeically in the burning steppes while farming imps for soul shards).
"BUT IT'S NOT ON THE GLOBAL COOL DOWN!!!!!"
poor guzzy
As degen as classic wow can be, videos like this make me happy I played and play classic. All of these events have created great memories. Classic wow has created some of my best gaming memories I have ever had. Retail wow doesn’t have an inch of personality that classic does. Retail just feels like an empty allow button masher and there’s no social interaction. It’s a shame. It has no great player-created stories.
Entire game sounds lifedraining
Other than playing casually for a fun little adventure, it would be IRL-draining
I 100% remember setting my notifications to max volume and waking up at 3am for world bosses. But dang it i got my 4-set of Eskhandar and procced that sweet ghost tiger in raid
Such a flavorful set, and fun to use even if not "BiS"
@mcfarvo I was lucky enough to be allowed a non-meta spec, during the whole of classic I played a Combat rogue that would only use Fist weapons. So that set really was perfect for my sort of RP or whatever you'd call it
On my server I spent 1k-1.2k on consumes every week. I had to sell boost for 20 hours a week to afford my consumes on both characters. Pretty degen
Slow paced leveling...matched with all the sweatys who rush to 60 only to abandon the game and turn their server into a wasteland for others who took their time xD
Dude mages aoe farming quest mobs are insufferable
@@jordantruong305 I agree, love the idea of mega servers but the mage Aoe farming certain areas is game breaking atm
@@jordantruong305The battle of hillsbrad chain is taking days because of the freakin mages that are farming the farm.
I don't think that's accurate. Why would you see level 60's in the world when there was no point in being in the world once they've gotten BiS from dungeons?
If everyone started an alt once they got to max level and got BiS the world would feel more alive, the problem is the game relies on other people playing the same as everyone else, but that's just not the way the game works. Once I've started leveling up an alt most players are at endgame and not leveling anymore. They already spent a majority of their free time playing and need a break.
@@jordantruong305 They are just playing the way that's good for them. That's a game design issue not a player issue.
20:06 i don't know why, but that arcane shot homing in on the left side of the screen made me chuckle.
Man, there’s a video floating around out there of my guild waiting our turn for Kazzak, a healer from the opposing faction/rival guild decided to flag and goad us on but no one bit. However I was just waiting for them to get about 30 seconds into their attempt before popping full cooldowns as a top dps warrior at the time. Wiped their whole group, I want to find that video again. Jem I know you still have it somewhere !!
I think one of the things people do not take into account while doing classic raiding is the latency and internet connection speeds. I think a lot of the difficulty of older raids is poor response time etc, also the fact that raiding on that scale did not really exist outside of WoW, EQ had raiding but it was mostly just tank and spank for the entire process up until Planes of Power. Not saying it was super difficult, but that likely accounts for the differing views on its level of difficulty, also nowadays everyone knows everything there is to know about Classic/Vanilla, the knowledge gap is massive.
Haha, yes very accurate. Though, I enjoyed farming world buffed players in OG back then
I remember hearing about the guild that realm transferred to a new server specifically to start the AQ event. That is the most degenerate thing to have ever happened, in my opinion
Sorry but ppl did that 15 years ago with the last Server coming out with AQ still opened.
That's not new ;)
Just to reinforce how insane Phase 2 was when pvp launched in 2019, i literally had to quit the game for weeks because it was in fact 100% unplayable, you could not go to any zone without getting ganked and corpse camped, it was completely insane. Like, as soon as i logged in I would INSTANTLY die before loading screen even finnished
The community really got ruining the classic experience down to a science and now we will never have fun vanilla communities ever again thanks sweaties...
Best moment is grizzly transferring to sulfuras, opening aq gates week one for us, and then being a holes on the entire server for a bit. But the entire horde got together and did not allow a SINGLE alliance player to get scarab lord.
He included a screenshot of the Caverns of Time camping, but I was expecting more of a mention of this. Peak degeneracy.
@ if they just weren’t a-holes after the gates opening they wouldn’t of had to transfer off to get their scarab lords lol
@@CardBoredB0x before** they were a-holes whole time they were on sulfuras.
Proud to say i did 10/10 of these :D
We even had a spreadsheet of horde players so we cld track who we had killed that day to track honorless targets and had a 3rd account to check locations of the most horde/ horde we still needed to kill that day
Bros proud to be a unemployed loser 💀 not something to be proud of
Lmao my dad was one of those rogues in capital cities, what memories, I miss those days
I will always say this with regards to sweaty, tryhard, degen playstyles.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
I don't think I knew that there were world bosses in vanilla. I never saw one and I would never raided really so... This is new news to me 20 years later LMAO
i remember befor 2019 classic came out ppl would always say the old 40 man raids were the hardest content the game ever had LAMO
Back in the day they were the hardest content in the game.
They were hard back then when everyone was dogshit at the game and no-one knew what to do
Let's not forget there were no add-ons back then, so you NEEDED a strong leader and people that knew their role so you didn't just spend all your time running to the dungeon over and over. CC was a real thing back then.
People have said this about every raid release during classic vanilla/tbc/wotlk/cata too
Only flex retail players has is raids are harder xd
wish they removed the chrono the drama world buffs gave us is a priceless experience
12:48 -- but it's true. Despite the fact that nearly every guild that wanted to clear Naxx did so in 2019 Classic, in 2006, something like ~1000 players did it. That's true; it's not misremembered.
I know guilds that barely killed anubrekhan in 2019 classic xD
I had quite a good route in burning steppes that I frequented on my BWL/AQ40 geared mage, before and after the buffs and I had pretty great success getting them
because as the lotus farmers were all fresh 60 hunters, I had fun killing them :) there was one time I had to kill FOUR(in succession, not simultaneously) before successfully getting a particular lotus. my gear made that possible as one shatter combo was enough to global one of them lol
I got to rank 10 back in 2006 or so. And I raided as well pretty hardcore. I had a lot of free time, otherwise I'd have had no chance. One of Draenors rank 14 farmers was also from the same country as me, Wales. She had been constantly hammering BG's for months and months. I never did find out if she got there or not, but she was annoyed about the changes in TBC pre patch where anyone could get the HWL gear with no rank requirements etc. I can see why, as that gear would have been replaced while lvling in TBC for anyone just getting it for that, but for those who had been farming for months would have kept it forever for obvious reasons.
Really tempted to go back to Classic, but whether I'd play the same class is another thing. Shaman was really dull to lvl and wasnt much fun at max lvl either back then, but with dual spec it might be less frustrating.
I purposely rolled on a pve realm this time around just to avoid the insanity that was pre battle grounds last time should they do it again.
WoW Hardcore Degen moment => farm the Frostsaber mount ^^
I never understood world buffs, me and several other World PvP randos got bored and just grouped up and went and beat all the raids in vanillla, no one had world buffs and we never looked up bosses or wiped more than 3 times before we figured out the mechanics the fight. It was stupid easy, then again PvP players are always far superior to PvE players when it comes to DPS, tactics, and not standing in shit.
Speaking of which I got scarab lord in SOD!
I have to ask do you remember the shamans name. Was it Prepared sound like something he would do.
way way back in the day we were on a relatively new server and AQ hadn't been opened. Our guild at the time was top PVE for that server with BWL on farm. So we decided to take the war effort into our own hands. I had an excel spreadsheet and we advertised to the entire server that we would be taking contributions for the war effort where we set levels of stuff like linen cloth that would earn you, for instance, a class tier set piece from MC, or a random drop from MC, etc. This was back in the day where raiding took around 40 people so if you were casual at all you needed a committed guild to do anything.
Once we had the ability to unlock because we'd completed the war effort we basically spent all night on alts trying to cross up the PVE guild on our server. We ended up holding until a Monday morning or something and spent the rest of the day ganking the horde guild rivals who only had a few diehards camping out the event start.
I still remember getting tons and tons of mail to turn in for the war effort and exploding random players in Ironforge with all of those random buff scrolls you would get. Good times.
Cry More, on Balnazzar circa 2005.
World buffs were so annoying lol. I remember raging so hard when I died in DM getting the tribute buff. Luckily my guild didn't really care that much and aslong as you got Ony buff and STV buff which were super easy to get especially when people would do summons and coordinate drops
Sleep schedule or getting epic item for your guildmaster alt?
Should I keep playing SoD? Or start Classic Fresh….again???
Freeesh!!!
@ why?? What’s your reasoning?
@@Ally.Cat.252 just my opinion… SoD was fun at the start, but got super weird in the end. Fresh is always an exciting and amazing feeling… it’s kinda sad that it’s really degenerate and there is only min/maxing groups. But if u got a group of friends it’s an incomparable experience
@ I just hate starting fresh over and over and over again
@@Ally.Cat.252 over and over? This is the 2nd fresh release in 20 years. But if you don’t like it, then why even bother asking? 😂
If the warlock buying Corrupted Ashbringer for Cata felguard isn't on this list I'll be smh
Building the perfect melle cleave group 🤤
why isn't me hitting 3x r14 in 2019 listed here
is it sad that i took part in literally every point you made besides lotus camping? D:
Yes
Idk about phasing tech being better. I’ve been phased 3 times while in combat and I just hit 20
I wish I could get ganked. I keep getting bored and can’t level
wasn't there a point with silithid where people were mass reporting JUST to have exclusive rights to farm or was it something else i cant remember. though i guess either way that was also a degen moment from the community.
ChatGPT type writing
And all this for some purples so you can do more DPS
Alternative title: Top 10 things you NEED to do in Fresh
Hi Will!
Hi WillE, i would appreciate if your scripts were not so OBVIOSULY written by chatGPT.
Thank you.
why is this so real?
As an alliance rogue player, I had to admit that camping near Yojamba Isle with my buddy Rogue, waiting for the fully buffed warriors, and killing them were my favorite things: letting the warriors use all CDs and letting them be killed slowly. That fulfilled my day - Old good days
Honestly though 'the min-maxing world buff meta" should really be top 1 degen thing about classic
I have never met for defend then in pvp arenas tbc sniping each other using every means possible.
Pretty much everything wrong with classic is and always was the community. Gdkp's ruining raiding, completely toxic and inaccessible server economies, toxic farming culture, a super toxic meta, even just levelling was ruined. It was all the players' own fault.
The most degenerate action is when a high level character steals a mining node whilst being farmed by a low level such as trying to mine a copper node and a lvl 60 takes it from you and says its need for AQ , absolute scum move and pathetic.
Its okay. The copper node cant hurt you anymore.
I’d steal your node and cod it to you for x3 its worth
You want to raid aq too. Don't be selfish... Kappa
CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR LOCAL MILITARY. SUBMIT TRADE GOODS TO SUPERIOR OFFICERS. PRAISE BE GARROSH HELL SCREAM GLORY TO KALIMDOR
@@Loeschzwerch on fairbanks people were paying for others to mine ores and vendor the ores so they wouldnt make it to the market for turn ins. If that helps you understand the frustration
Man if I was a resto shaman or priest in a guild that wanted to speed run and my flasks were costing 150g+ I'd tell them to get bent im out 😂 Also don't think I'll be spending all that time trying to grab all the world Buffs for raids for some idiot to potentially wipe us and waste it
Videos like this make me love Retail even more
I LIVE TO BE DEGEN IN WOW
Classic is a great game for unemployed losers not so great for the average Joe
Yes lets gooooo!!
How much would scarab lord cost $?
We had an oiler offering $1500 for our guild to delay the gong bang and boost his warrior to SL, never accepted the offer so dunno whether the money was real or not, but he was paying insane gold amounts for carapaces
3-5k
moments" you mean moms?
There was a moment of realization in Vanilla WOW when people realized that with crit that Paladins were just the best healers and it was just not well received. Just at a certain gear level it was no longer competitive between classes.
People ganking because it's the meta to farm honor is not that degen, people ganking in classic now for no reward is worse.
u sound squike when saying "week" xd
The serveur is for free or not ?
is no
I did everything on this list but dispelling WBs was not my thing.. Horde Gehennas ZUG ZUG!
Uhh how is Spell or melee cleave a top 10 degen moment?? makes no sense
Meta-gaming is a cancer.
to summarize, wow pvp is fucking stupid
It’s fine if they would fix it. The problem was the no change crowd, and developers with no player clout to make us trust them, meant absolutely no changes. A few changes actually would have made the experience a lot better especially in pvp.
Need to change avatar m8 doesnt look like that anymore.
People's can't just play a Game 😂 it's ridiculous !
Any person I see incorrectly type the word "Spellcleave" in LFG channel is put on ignore.
I can only assume they got confused when going to type AOE farm, as I doubt a level 33 mage is trying to start an arena team.
Misleading title🙄
On Classic Era, flasks are literally 1k gold each
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god i miss those times
Let's be honest, these things is what made classic feel like classic. Once you remove these things the game because a lot less memorable.
why use that offensive word? respect lost.
Playing this game is the most degenerate thing you can do
I dunno I've done some seriously degenerate things in my life... wow seems like a peaceful video game.😂
So monotone and forced content
the raids were easy cuz we was using pre tbc talent trees not Og wow talent tree
this is multiple levels of wrong
dumbest comment goes to
@@d.optional3381 he's not exactly wrong - he was correct about the OG wow talent tree, example - innervate used to be the 31 pt resto druid talent. Classic used 1.12 talents not the pre-TBC patch talents
Raids were easy because they ARE easy. Even if we had earlier patches of classic to work with, raids would still be laughable.
I'd always drag the elite dragons from burning steppes into goldshire with my hunter and watch them kill all the scrubs
Fu for putting ads in youre videos
Mate almost 3 minutes of intro + advertisement... That's just not enjoyable in any way. The title says enough to skip the big intro.
Thanks for this overview - now my tummy hurts 🥲