The great thing about their argument is that you understand it on both sides. We know that Nancy is right about their colleagues and is a good person for pursuing the case, but Jonathan also has a valid point. Financial security is important for his family. Their lives are a constant struggle and money doesn't come easy to them. Pointing this out doesn't mean that he doubts Nancy. He's simply thinking about the future. He's being responsible.
It's an issue of privilege. Privileges the book privileged in different ways Jonathan because he's a man and Nancy because she's from a relatively wealthy family. But they don't understand the Privileges that either of them have that's what the arguing is about.
Nancy’s privilege: -her dad is rich Nancy’s weakness: -she’s a woman and people in this decade didn’t take woman seriously. Jonathan’s privilege: -he’s a man Jonathan’s weakness: -he’s poor.
"He's a man". It hasn't really done him any favors. Jonathan hasn't benefitted from that in any way throughout the series. In fact he's probably one of the most selfless characters in the show next to Bob and a big issue with this scene is Nancy coming at him trying to justify her shitty decisions with how other people treated her when Jonathan never allowed the way he was treated to affect how he treated other people or his brother. He never stopped being considerate, and that was the main issue here because Nancy never once thought about Jonathan's situation... In fact, going by her mentality, she never thought about his situation because he WAS a man. You cannot use the top 1% of men to judge the bottom 99%. Jonathan was not her bosses.
What I love about this is that despite their arguments they didn’t once decide to break up. It’s a more realistic portrayal of how healthy couples function
@@mrdogich5655 i really didn’t like that. Just because you’re far away from your boyfriend, doesn’t mean you’ll have to completely forget him and throw him away like that. Stancy was such a unhealthy relationship in S1. In S5 it could be better, but they can’t do Jonathan dirty.
I love this scene. They did such a good job of making you see both sides. Nancy's privilege, Jonathan not experiencing sexism etc. Nancy was obviously right about the guys in the office and the rats and everything, and Jonathan should have stuck up for her. But at the same time, she IS just an intern, and going off pretending to be a reporter of course was going to get her fired. So she should have just done it on her own, not dragged him into it since he actually needed the job. Also "Oliver Twist routine" was a really fucked up thing to say.
you’re right about anything especially with the Oliver Twist argument but Nancy also told Jonathan that he doesn’t have to go with her & it’s his choice, she didn’t dragged him into it he made this choice on his own and he blamed Nancy for him getting fired but I think it’s his fault too. Nancy whatever should’ve shown empathy about the money thing too - she knew Jonathan’s dad left them and he has to help with the money..
@@eden_john001 It felt more like a "you have a choice but you better come with me" as I remember, but I only saw this season once. The only ST season I didn't care for. But yeah, tbh if I were Johnathan i'd probably have dumped Nancy right then for that comment. The absolute lack of empathy was shocking. And honestly felt a little extreme/out of character for her. Just crappy writing.
@@eden_john001 They're together. What choice did he really have? That's manipulation. What boyfriend is going to let their girlfriend go off on their own to do something dangerous? And what girlfriend is going to stay with a guy who lets that happen?
@@SP-bw8fj Nah the last time he went with her was his own damn fault. She didn’t demand him to go, she just asked him for the keys and he decided to go with her. He can’t blame her for that one.
@@93King Nancy can take care of herself, she’s shown that many times in the show. Also, she just asked him for the keys the last time they left before they got fired and he decided to go with her. That’s his own fault, not hers.
I understand both sides, but I can relate to Jonathan more. I once lost a job, and had a shit ton of loans and bills to pay. It was one of the darkest moments in my life that I once considered ending everything. Thankfully, I managed to get out of that situation, and I'm still here writing this comment.
If youre a man you obviously wont fully understand Nancy's side as a woman in a sexist environment. They both have valid points. Glad you made it out of that situation tho!
@@nancym0703 which is why I said I understand both sides. Moreover, I could say the same for you for not fully understanding the situation for us who aren’t privileged
@@carolyntang404 that’s the thing - even tough it was „just“ an internship this is how women got treated in the work industry- it would’ve not been different anywhere else, that’s why Nancy was so upset and tried so hard to prove that she can be a reporter and is more than a coffee making machine
Charlie Heaton as usual knocks this scene out of the park. I really hate how they make Jonathan Nancy's sidekick this whole season. He's a better character being held down, I'm actually happy that they separated those two so Jonathan can grow on his own with his other family in season 4.
I think he’s the best actor out of the teen characters. I don’t see Nancy or Steve’s actors having range outside Stranger Things. Charlie on the other hand is probably better off outside stranger things
I understand where Johnathan is coming from with struggling financially. But at the same time, these guys were being complete asswholes to his girlfriend and making her feel like shit everyday for no reason. If I were him, I wouldn't tolerate that, no matter what the circumstance was
@@parasite1129 In my opinion, Jonathan should definitely put his family before his girlfriend. Nancy wanted to continue that case, she should've dragged it along herself instead of involving Jonathan knowing how much he needs it. Nancy necessarily didn't need the money
I don't understand why people are blaming Nancy anymore. I watched the previous episode again some days ago and Nancy clearly told Jonathan "if you don't want to come with me don't come" and Jonathan decided to come with her
@@CarolineForbesAndTaylorSwift there is something called peer pressure. This is even worse. She clearly wanted him in and doing otherwise will cause break up which is not worth for summer job
Uh, Johnathan went mostly to protect and back up Nancy. Not to mention, he's the boyfriend.....most of boyfriend duties involve doing shit you don't want to do...but you only do it because of her, and because you don't want to hear about it until the end of time.
@@thegoblinwholaughs1137 Not to mention being a standup guy Jonathan was watching out for Nancy and making sure nothing bad happens to her, which Nancy took advantage of.
“you don’t know what it’s like” that line hit me so hard like a reality check for women, nancy is just another case of the many cases of harassment and sexism not being taken seriously by people who never have experienced it and probably never will :(
You mean Nancy being a selfish brat and getting her financially-struggling boyfriend fired because she didn't think about anyone but herself? Sorry, but when she's so shitty I don't care about her problems. He's now going to struggle to ever find any photography-related job because she couldn't just listen to her boss *as an intern* and drop a story. Nancy's just a selfish person, lady, not a strong woman fightin' the evil patriarchy.
@Mr Lee well of course she’s gonna complain and whine, douchebag, she was literally HARASSED EVERY DAY. And I am very aware how the real world is and how cruel life can be, but that doesn’t mean its okay. If you are submissive and take abuse right in the ass it doesn’t mean everyone has to. But then again, why am I talking about sexism and sexual harassment in the workplace to a *male* , right? You obviously don’t know what is like.
That tearful look in their eyes that occurs at the end of the video gets me 😥. As much as how frustrated they were reacting towards each other because Nancy wasn't thinking straight about the consequences, but they both seem to have showed some regret about having that argument but couldn't express their regrets in words.
The bad part about season 3 is that their storyline was completely based solely on Nancy, and once they argued, he didn't appear for the whole episode! Jonathan deserves so much better storylines and plots, the series is almost over and he was paid dust all over again
Im on Jonathan’s side His life isn’t exactly financially stable as he and joyce have to struggle to make ends meet while nancy has two working parents that provide for her and her family It was wrong for those guys at the workplace to continuously harass her but this argument wasn’t about that it was about the fact that Jonathan was right about how pursuing the story would get them fired.
Actually he's wrong, not about the family part, but if they hadn't continued this story, they wouldn't have found out there was another Demogorgon related monster trying to kill all of them, they wouldn't have grouped up with Mike and the others to tell what half of the disaster is going on in their town like they are and they'd all be dead if Nancy and Jonathan continued that stupid job. Besides I hated that dumb blond jerk who was very immature and rude to Nancy.
Skyfaller3D That job is what got them able to pursue the story in the first place. Jonathan just lost his job and wasn’t in the mood to hear Nancy talk about theories and what happened. I’m not saying that Nancy wasn’t on to something I’m saying that Jonathan WAS right that they would get in trouble for pursuing the story. And yes the co workers treated Nancy like trash i even acknowledged that.
he also put Nancy in a really difficult position- I wouldn’t tolerate if my boyfriend would get treated like shit & gets humiliated all the time - if you love someone you protect and stick up for them. Like the same way Will defend El when she was bullied by Angela , she saved his life multiple times and he didn’t help her - I stood up for my best friend when she was getting bullied and then I was bullied too but it’s what real friends do..
@@eden_john001 Nancy also has put Jonathan on a difficult position too. She lives in a good household. Jonathan is a teen put into a surrogate dad role, was bullied and made rude comments about, had his little brother go missing, lives in a household that is clearly struggling financially. It's not like Jonathan wants Nancy to be bullied and made fun of, but he cannot risk getting fired. All he ever wants in the show is to help and protect his family. I really do understand him. But i do understand Nancy too, which is why this is a very good conflict, because both come from valid positions.
Jonothan has a point, Nancy comes from a well off upper middle class family in a big house with their own bedrooms, parents own modern fancy cars, their station wagon was new and expensive at the time , and they don't have to worry much about money, while Jonothan comes from a working class, below poverty line family with a single mother raising 2 sons on her own, and lives in a run down 1 floor house, and drive outdated cars at the time, Jon's rusty aging 1970 Ford Galaxie and Joyce's 1975 Pinto. Of course this job meant alot to Jonothan so that he could get out of poverty and be able to get his family a better life that he never got to have. It's the typical class conflict here, Nancy's privileged upbringing, clashes with Jonothans unprivileged upbringing. In Nancy's defense, she did experience classic toxic sexism in the workplace and that would cause major issues, especially her being a woman in the office, so I understand her upset and frustration.
Did Jonathan seriously not see how his girlfriend was getting treated at this job? I actually believe that if they had stayed longer than they did, Nancy would've gotten sexually harassed.
G.C. Bolling I don’t know, you have to look at it from his POV too. He was being responsible and if you look at the scene where they make up, he has his own side too
He saw but he also saw his families financial situation was much more important. Nancy could just simply quit and he can't exactly stand up for her without being fired and he has much more to lose than her.
Whilst I can see Nancy's side, I've got to side with Jonathan on this one. Growing up, my family was pretty poor, and I had to work so that I could contribute. Every little bit counted, since the bills seemed never ending. Maybe for Nancy, who grew up in a decently well off family, her pride meant more than her job, but for Jonathan it definitely meant a lot more.
I side with Jonathan. Years ago when I was an intern, I just wanted to graduate from college and get a job. Finishing my studies became so important to me to the point where I didn't care that some people tried to crack jokes at my expense. All I wanted was my diploma. I had to be thick skinned and work hard. I had no time to think about monsters, aliens, evil creatures, or the bad government. Money runs the world. Most of us need money to live. And just like what Lana Del Rey said, "Money is the anthem of success." Currently, I'm working hard to earn money.
When Nancy said he didnt know how is that feeling and he said she either, I felt like Jonathan was remembering how he was bullied and made fun of in high school
Yes we see both sides but there is a big difference between their situations. Nancy was mistreated by the bosses and Jonathon needed the job for financial security. However, Nancy could’ve quit whenever she wanted because she didn’t need the money while Jonathon didn’t really have a choice so I think Nancy was in the wrong here (her being justified later on has 0 impact in the moment of the argument so that’s irrelevant) she should’ve seen the situation from Jonathon’s perspective.
Hey, I see you have uploaded alot of Jancy things, I was wondering if you could upload 2 things that I can't find on RUclips: 1. When Jonathan and Nancy slice their hands, including when they are wrapping their hands up (season 1) And 2. The phonecall between these two shortly after the scene in this video If you can't I get that XD but I'd be happy if you did because I can't find these scenes anywhere xd Thanks :D
Nancy needs to stop being selfish here. Jonathan is a good person. He looks out for his family and he's pretty much the man of the house. Since Lonnie isn't around to be helpful.
nancy wasn't being selfish as at. if you were a girl you would know what she means. i understand both sides. nancy wanted to prove them wrong that she wasn't some useless girl who brought them food.
Isabella Williams tf u on about shes from a wealthy family and she expected to become the best in a week jonathon dont come arich family and she got him fired and doesn’t want to accept she was being selfish
Abhash.g CLEARLY you aren't a girl. you have to remember this was the 1980s. ppl are still sexist to this day but they were even more sexist back them. almost EVERY girl has experienced this feeling and we all understand where nancy was coming from. she wanted to prove that she wasn't just a girl who was rich and didn't have to work for things. that's why she kept pushing for the story
It's a great demonstration of how lower-class men might not understand women's struggles and how upper-class women might not understand lower-class problems
I’m on Nancy’s side 100% as a women Jonathan would never understand how it feels to be in her shoes and be treated like that at work because he’s not a women. I understand Jonathan’s point but he’s totally disregarding what Nancy’s experience and perspective is. No one should have to stick around for that mistreatment, yes you have to be financially stable but don’t be complicit with foul treatment at work especially when it’s regarding your girlfriend.
I understand your point of view but Nancy could have just quit her job if she didn’t want to be treat like that. For me there’s no winner in that situation.
@@TheRealThrill2022 didn’t matter where she worked that’s really how they treated women in those times. So no she couldn’t just quit cause she would of just experienced the same thing else where. She loves journalism, she shouldn’t have to quit something she’s interested to avoided being treated that way, she/woman shouldn’t have been treated that way. I don’t think there was suppose to be a winner but they definitely intended the audience to try and understand the both of them.
No no, John knew it was bad but Nancy refused and get them fired she didn’t need the job she could of left and Johnathan needed it but Nancy screwed it
@@milesgaming1232 no no no, Jonathan knew it was bad and undermined her experience as a woman because it wasn’t happening to him, Nancy was trying to report was going on in Hawkins cause she was trying to help everyone, by the time they had the hospital fight Jonathan realized this AND by the end of it Jonathan ended up moving anyways and not needing the job. Nancy was literally trying to warn them of the impending doom and they didn’t listen that’s why their asshole coworkers got taken over by the mindflayer. 🤷🏻♂️
I don't really like Jancy because they always make Nancy the main thing and Jonathan as her sidekick. Jonathan especially in season 1 was better than Mary Sue Nancy. So I want Jonathan on his own with the main cast in Cali and give his character some time to grow away from Nancy.
Why does Jancy breaking up they're the most cute couple one of them actually all of them who's a couples is pretty cute more than cute amazing and romantic it really is romantic it really is
I am pretty much on both of their sides. They were fighting a group of assholes to do what was right. Even if Jonathan wanted to be more responsible, he knew deep down that Nancy was right. At the same time though Nancy knew deep down that she was being impulsive. I just can’t disagree with either of them.
I like this argument, it makes me sympathise with both characters and it's one of the only realistic couple arguments in the show. Nancy obviously shouldn't have had to deal with the degrading treatment of her sexist co-workers and I understand why she wanted to prove she was right, it was the 1980's and women in the workplace weren't usually taken seriously back then. But at the same time, Jonathan also has a very valid point of view. Nancy clearly doesn't understand his perspective because she comes from a privileged family. Jonathan had to be the man of the house ever since his dad left and his family isn't wealthy so even a summer job is important to him because he wants to make money to support his family and his college tuition. Well written and very well acted, you can really feel both of their frustration through the acting.
I love Nancy but I’ve gotta side with Jonathon because he is being more realistic about life and money but Nancy is just thinking about herself and being mean about it. And I feel what Jonathon has gone through like bullying and all that 😭
@@stan7259 Ok but if he was this pissed about it why go yes Nancy did say some bad wrong things but Johnathan shouldn't be mad considering it was his decision to go so he shouldn't even be upset with Nancy if anything he should be upset with himself
@@Handsomesqiudward They were in a relationship. If you're in a relationship are you going to let your partner run off and do something dangerous by themselves?
@@93King No I wouldn't but after the fact i'm not about to argue about it either like he got angry for what talking about his job and how he needed money if he really wanted his job he would've stayed and Nancy was getting HUMILIATED by those people and he did nothing but watch and if you think that is a "relationship" then that's not okay
Don’t get me wrong. She did not deserve to get taunted by the guys there. I would like to see a person who is decent put her in place. Again, I understand she did not have any options, but in general Nancy is a domineering and forceful person.
Nancy would have had other opportunities. She got into a good college. She would have gotten out of Hawkins anyways. I am not sure I could say about, except for Robin, the other women and girls. I have noticed that women did not have too many options in Hawkins.
And Jonathan wanted to stay close to his family with the college issues in 4 people think stancy is so out the blue but it's not if you analyse looking back... I don't think jonathan will follow her
The great thing about their argument is that you understand it on both sides. We know that Nancy is right about their colleagues and is a good person for pursuing the case, but Jonathan also has a valid point. Financial security is important for his family. Their lives are a constant struggle and money doesn't come easy to them. Pointing this out doesn't mean that he doubts Nancy. He's simply thinking about the future. He's being responsible.
Exactly ! I loved this realistic dialogue, that the show is not all about science-fiction.
It's an issue of privilege. Privileges the book privileged in different ways Jonathan because he's a man and Nancy because she's from a relatively wealthy family. But they don't understand the Privileges that either of them have that's what the arguing is about.
You're right
I love these kinds of fights where it’s so hard to pick a side.
@JG some people are just snobs
Nancy’s privilege:
-her dad is rich
Nancy’s weakness:
-she’s a woman and people in this decade didn’t take woman seriously.
Jonathan’s privilege:
-he’s a man
Jonathan’s weakness:
-he’s poor.
They complete each other
@@renameagain5808 they’re perfect for each other
"He's a man".
It hasn't really done him any favors.
Jonathan hasn't benefitted from that in any way throughout the series. In fact he's probably one of the most selfless characters in the show next to Bob and a big issue with this scene is Nancy coming at him trying to justify her shitty decisions with how other people treated her when Jonathan never allowed the way he was treated to affect how he treated other people or his brother. He never stopped being considerate, and that was the main issue here because Nancy never once thought about Jonathan's situation... In fact, going by her mentality, she never thought about his situation because he WAS a man.
You cannot use the top 1% of men to judge the bottom 99%. Jonathan was not her bosses.
@Impalingthorn he wasn't her bosses but he wasn't berated in the way Nancy was because he was a man.
What I love about this is that despite their arguments they didn’t once decide to break up. It’s a more realistic portrayal of how healthy couples function
Mhmm right
Well now Nancy’s falling back in love with Steve. Now they’re slo motion breaking up in season 4. Yippie.
@@yasminewolfer8688 it happens because they are located in different places, so there is not a lot of contact between them
@@mrdogich5655 i really didn’t like that. Just because you’re far away from your boyfriend, doesn’t mean you’ll have to completely forget him and throw him away like that. Stancy was such a unhealthy relationship in S1. In S5 it could be better, but they can’t do Jonathan dirty.
@@mikandstuff3119 dude, she hasn't even kissed Steve. She just had some thoughts, it's not mean or something. Damn, people hate Nancy for no reason
I love this scene. They did such a good job of making you see both sides. Nancy's privilege, Jonathan not experiencing sexism etc. Nancy was obviously right about the guys in the office and the rats and everything, and Jonathan should have stuck up for her. But at the same time, she IS just an intern, and going off pretending to be a reporter of course was going to get her fired. So she should have just done it on her own, not dragged him into it since he actually needed the job. Also "Oliver Twist routine" was a really fucked up thing to say.
you’re right about anything especially with the Oliver Twist argument but Nancy also told Jonathan that he doesn’t have to go with her & it’s his choice, she didn’t dragged him into it he made this choice on his own and he blamed Nancy for him getting fired but I think it’s his fault too. Nancy whatever should’ve shown empathy about the money thing too - she knew Jonathan’s dad left them and he has to help with the money..
@@eden_john001 It felt more like a "you have a choice but you better come with me" as I remember, but I only saw this season once. The only ST season I didn't care for. But yeah, tbh if I were Johnathan i'd probably have dumped Nancy right then for that comment. The absolute lack of empathy was shocking. And honestly felt a little extreme/out of character for her. Just crappy writing.
@@eden_john001
They're together. What choice did he really have? That's manipulation. What boyfriend is going to let their girlfriend go off on their own to do something dangerous? And what girlfriend is going to stay with a guy who lets that happen?
@@SP-bw8fj Nah the last time he went with her was his own damn fault. She didn’t demand him to go, she just asked him for the keys and he decided to go with her. He can’t blame her for that one.
@@93King Nancy can take care of herself, she’s shown that many times in the show. Also, she just asked him for the keys the last time they left before they got fired and he decided to go with her. That’s his own fault, not hers.
I understand both sides, but I can relate to Jonathan more. I once lost a job, and had a shit ton of loans and bills to pay. It was one of the darkest moments in my life that I once considered ending everything. Thankfully, I managed to get out of that situation, and I'm still here writing this comment.
If youre a man you obviously wont fully understand Nancy's side as a woman in a sexist environment. They both have valid points. Glad you made it out of that situation tho!
@@nancym0703 which is why I said I understand both sides. Moreover, I could say the same for you for not fully understanding the situation for us who aren’t privileged
This was just a summer, internship kinda job though. It wouldn't have lasted long anyway.
@@carolyntang404 still, it’s better than not earning anything at all, especially for Jonathan’s case. Every cent means a great deal to them.
@@carolyntang404 that’s the thing - even tough it was „just“ an internship this is how women got treated in the work industry- it would’ve not been different anywhere else, that’s why Nancy was so upset and tried so hard to prove that she can be a reporter and is more than a coffee making machine
Honestly both of them were right in different ways.
Charlie Heaton as usual knocks this scene out of the park. I really hate how they make Jonathan Nancy's sidekick this whole season. He's a better character being held down, I'm actually happy that they separated those two so Jonathan can grow on his own with his other family in season 4.
expect they trashed his character again
Boom she has great arc in Hawkins without him and he is a stoner
She is a badass again and he is more sidelined than ever and now their relationship is rushed. Fuck the Duffers!
@@ladybezimienia Bad writing from duffer brothers
@@ladybezimienia what character beating Vecna with unrealistic girl power
Okay, but can we talk about the acting. He’s like really good
Deadass they killed it in this scene
He's just amazing and this isn't even his accent
I think he’s the best actor out of the teen characters. I don’t see Nancy or Steve’s actors having range outside Stranger Things. Charlie on the other hand is probably better off outside stranger things
@@Tonycillian5 Yeah exactly
I get where she’s coming from but Nancy should’ve thought more about johnathan since he picks up where his dad falls short.
I gotta side with Jonathan. He’s being more realistic and Nancy is just caring about herself more.
I understand where Johnathan is coming from with struggling financially. But at the same time, these guys were being complete asswholes to his girlfriend and making her feel like shit everyday for no reason. If I were him, I wouldn't tolerate that, no matter what the circumstance was
@@parasite1129 yea yea everyone goes through it!!
@@parasite1129 In my opinion, Jonathan should definitely put his family before his girlfriend. Nancy wanted to continue that case, she should've dragged it along herself instead of involving Jonathan knowing how much he needs it. Nancy necessarily didn't need the money
@@rupantihoque1059 Ah that’s ok. Though I personally disagree, I respect your opinion. We can agree to disagree :)
Nancy has done bad things, she failed Steve and pretended that she was in love with him.
I don't understand why people are blaming Nancy anymore. I watched the previous episode again some days ago and Nancy clearly told Jonathan "if you don't want to come with me don't come" and Jonathan decided to come with her
Thank you!! 👏🏾👏🏾
Exactly. It's not like she forced him.
@@CarolineForbesAndTaylorSwift there is something called peer pressure. This is even worse. She clearly wanted him in and doing otherwise will cause break up which is not worth for summer job
Uh, Johnathan went mostly to protect and back up Nancy.
Not to mention, he's the boyfriend.....most of boyfriend duties involve doing shit you don't want to do...but you only do it because of her, and because you don't want to hear about it until the end of time.
@@thegoblinwholaughs1137 Not to mention being a standup guy Jonathan was watching out for Nancy and making sure nothing bad happens to her, which Nancy took advantage of.
“you don’t know what it’s like” that line hit me so hard like a reality check for women, nancy is just another case of the many cases of harassment and sexism not being taken seriously by people who never have experienced it and probably never will :(
It’s a series it’s not real
@@milesgaming1232 obviously, but it portrays the reality of many women.
@@milesgaming1232 no shit lol?
You mean Nancy being a selfish brat and getting her financially-struggling boyfriend fired because she didn't think about anyone but herself? Sorry, but when she's so shitty I don't care about her problems. He's now going to struggle to ever find any photography-related job because she couldn't just listen to her boss *as an intern* and drop a story. Nancy's just a selfish person, lady, not a strong woman fightin' the evil patriarchy.
@Mr Lee well of course she’s gonna complain and whine, douchebag, she was literally HARASSED EVERY DAY. And I am very aware how the real world is and how cruel life can be, but that doesn’t mean its okay. If you are submissive and take abuse right in the ass it doesn’t mean everyone has to.
But then again, why am I talking about sexism and sexual harassment in the workplace to a *male* , right? You obviously don’t know what is like.
That tearful look in their eyes that occurs at the end of the video gets me 😥. As much as how frustrated they were reacting towards each other because Nancy wasn't thinking straight about the consequences, but they both seem to have showed some regret about having that argument but couldn't express their regrets in words.
The scene that made me a fan of Johnathan.
The bad part about season 3 is that their storyline was completely based solely on Nancy, and once they argued, he didn't appear for the whole episode! Jonathan deserves so much better storylines and plots, the series is almost over and he was paid dust all over again
Exactly. Right after this, we saw Nancy being comforted by her mother, but they didn’t even show how Jonathan was coping.
0:06 I love how Jonathan was shocked after Nancy said “I think Tom is on drugs”
Ikrrr especially man!
YESSS
Im on Jonathan’s side
His life isn’t exactly financially stable as he and joyce have to struggle to make ends meet while nancy has two working parents that provide for her and her family
It was wrong for those guys at the workplace to continuously harass her but this argument wasn’t about that it was about the fact that Jonathan was right about how pursuing the story would get them fired.
Actually he's wrong, not about the family part, but if they hadn't continued this story, they wouldn't have found out there was another Demogorgon related monster trying to kill all of them, they wouldn't have grouped up with Mike and the others to tell what half of the disaster is going on in their town like they are and they'd all be dead if Nancy and Jonathan continued that stupid job.
Besides I hated that dumb blond jerk who was very immature and rude to Nancy.
Skyfaller3D That job is what got them able to pursue the story in the first place.
Jonathan just lost his job and wasn’t in the mood to hear Nancy talk about theories and what happened.
I’m not saying that Nancy wasn’t on to something I’m saying that Jonathan WAS right that they would get in trouble for pursuing the story.
And yes the co workers treated Nancy like trash i even acknowledged that.
Disrespected for who you are vs Doesn't have financial privilege. Both sounds legitimate reasons.
he also put Nancy in a really difficult position- I wouldn’t tolerate if my boyfriend would get treated like shit & gets humiliated all the time - if you love someone you protect and stick up for them. Like the same way Will defend El when she was bullied by Angela , she saved his life multiple times and he didn’t help her - I stood up for my best friend when she was getting bullied and then I was bullied too but it’s what real friends do..
@@eden_john001 Nancy also has put Jonathan on a difficult position too. She lives in a good household. Jonathan is a teen put into a surrogate dad role, was bullied and made rude comments about, had his little brother go missing, lives in a household that is clearly struggling financially. It's not like Jonathan wants Nancy to be bullied and made fun of, but he cannot risk getting fired. All he ever wants in the show is to help and protect his family. I really do understand him. But i do understand Nancy too, which is why this is a very good conflict, because both come from valid positions.
Jonothan has a point, Nancy comes from a well off upper middle class family in a big house with their own bedrooms, parents own modern fancy cars, their station wagon was new and expensive at the time , and they don't have to worry much about money, while Jonothan comes from a working class, below poverty line family with a single mother raising 2 sons on her own, and lives in a run down 1 floor house, and drive outdated cars at the time, Jon's rusty aging 1970 Ford Galaxie and Joyce's 1975 Pinto. Of course this job meant alot to Jonothan so that he could get out of poverty and be able to get his family a better life that he never got to have.
It's the typical class conflict here, Nancy's privileged upbringing, clashes with Jonothans unprivileged upbringing.
In Nancy's defense, she did experience classic toxic sexism in the workplace and that would cause major issues, especially her being a woman in the office, so I understand her upset and frustration.
Did Jonathan seriously not see how his girlfriend was getting treated at this job? I actually believe that if they had stayed longer than they did, Nancy would've gotten sexually harassed.
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G.C. Bolling Jonathan did have a valid point though. He and his family were in a tight spot for many he was just trying to get a good education
G.C. Bolling I don’t know, you have to look at it from his POV too. He was being responsible and if you look at the scene where they make up, he has his own side too
He saw but was ignorant and didn’t wanna risk his job I guess, like he said he had financial issues to worry about
He saw but he also saw his families financial situation was much more important. Nancy could just simply quit and he can't exactly stand up for her without being fired and he has much more to lose than her.
This scene gets me emotional mannn 🤧
Ikrrr and it’s very realistic!! Especially johnathan
Whilst I can see Nancy's side, I've got to side with Jonathan on this one. Growing up, my family was pretty poor, and I had to work so that I could contribute. Every little bit counted, since the bills seemed never ending. Maybe for Nancy, who grew up in a decently well off family, her pride meant more than her job, but for Jonathan it definitely meant a lot more.
wait a second where's nancy's seat belt
It was in the 80s
geege yeah in the 80’s there werent seatbelts
@@chaeryonq9703 yeah there were, seatbelts were invented in the 1950s
precious queen yes but not all cars had them 😂 my dad was born in the 70s and the car his parents had didn’t have a seatbelt...
I side with Jonathan. Years ago when I was an intern, I just wanted to graduate from college and get a job. Finishing my studies became so important to me to the point where I didn't care that some people tried to crack jokes at my expense. All I wanted was my diploma. I had to be thick skinned and work hard. I had no time to think about monsters, aliens, evil creatures, or the bad government. Money runs the world. Most of us need money to live. And just like what Lana Del Rey said, "Money is the anthem of success."
Currently, I'm working hard to earn money.
Charlie Heaton is too good to be in Stranger Things. That man should be in a Robert Eggers or Ari Aster film.
Both of them are wrong, and both of them are right
Tbh I thought they were done after this
Nah their love is too strong to let one tiny fight get in the way
One tiny fight? Jonathan was a total jerk to her! He should have apologized!
@@BMW9661 he did.
@@BMW9661 wtf bro
@@BMW9661 no, no he wasn’t. Nancy is definitely in the wrong here
When Nancy said he didnt know how is that feeling and he said she either, I felt like Jonathan was remembering how he was bullied and made fun of in high school
Yes we see both sides but there is a big difference between their situations. Nancy was mistreated by the bosses and Jonathon needed the job for financial security. However, Nancy could’ve quit whenever she wanted because she didn’t need the money while Jonathon didn’t really have a choice so I think Nancy was in the wrong here (her being justified later on has 0 impact in the moment of the argument so that’s irrelevant) she should’ve seen the situation from Jonathon’s perspective.
Hey, I see you have uploaded alot of Jancy things, I was wondering if you could upload 2 things that I can't find on RUclips:
1. When Jonathan and Nancy slice their hands, including when they are wrapping their hands up (season 1)
And 2. The phonecall between these two shortly after the scene in this video
If you can't I get that XD but I'd be happy if you did because I can't find these scenes anywhere xd
Thanks :D
Very good idea!! I will do so. Thank you for suggesting this. if you want anything else, just let me know.
@@watchpromos7938 No worries my dude and tysm! :D
I often find myself thinking about this scene because Johnathan could not have put it more accurately
Nancy needs to stop being selfish here. Jonathan is a good person. He looks out for his family and he's pretty much the man of the house. Since Lonnie isn't around to be helpful.
Jacob Sherman well they were both dealing with a lot Nancy was dealing with sexist pieces of shit and Jonathan you know what he’s dealing with
nancy wasn't being selfish as at. if you were a girl you would know what she means. i understand both sides. nancy wanted to prove them wrong that she wasn't some useless girl who brought them food.
Isabella Williams tf u on about shes from a wealthy family and she expected to become the best in a week jonathon dont come arich family and she got him fired and doesn’t want to accept she was being selfish
Abhash.g CLEARLY you aren't a girl. you have to remember this was the 1980s. ppl are still sexist to this day but they were even more sexist back them. almost EVERY girl has experienced this feeling and we all understand where nancy was coming from. she wanted to prove that she wasn't just a girl who was rich and didn't have to work for things. that's why she kept pushing for the story
@@isabellawilliams5253 everyone has there own opinions.
It's a great demonstration of how lower-class men might not understand women's struggles and how upper-class women might not understand lower-class problems
I’m on Nancy’s side 100% as a women Jonathan would never understand how it feels to be in her shoes and be treated like that at work because he’s not a women. I understand Jonathan’s point but he’s totally disregarding what Nancy’s experience and perspective is. No one should have to stick around for that mistreatment, yes you have to be financially stable but don’t be complicit with foul treatment at work especially when it’s regarding your girlfriend.
I understand your point of view but Nancy could have just quit her job if she didn’t want to be treat like that. For me there’s no winner in that situation.
@@TheRealThrill2022 didn’t matter where she worked that’s really how they treated women in those times. So no she couldn’t just quit cause she would of just experienced the same thing else where. She loves journalism, she shouldn’t have to quit something she’s interested to avoided being treated that way, she/woman shouldn’t have been treated that way. I don’t think there was suppose to be a winner but they definitely intended the audience to try and understand the both of them.
Completely agree.
No no, John knew it was bad but Nancy refused and get them fired she didn’t need the job she could of left and Johnathan needed it but Nancy screwed it
@@milesgaming1232 no no no, Jonathan knew it was bad and undermined her experience as a woman because it wasn’t happening to him, Nancy was trying to report was going on in Hawkins cause she was trying to help everyone, by the time they had the hospital fight Jonathan realized this AND by the end of it Jonathan ended up moving anyways and not needing the job. Nancy was literally trying to warn them of the impending doom and they didn’t listen that’s why their asshole coworkers got taken over by the mindflayer. 🤷🏻♂️
There need each other Jancy can't break up not today and never so as Mileven they need to stick together
Nah I don’t like jancy anymore
But they got back together
What about Mileven
@@stephaniemcgeorge8595 I love Mileven they must stay together but I prefer Nancy and Steve together now rather than Jonathan and Nancy
I don't really like Jancy because they always make Nancy the main thing and Jonathan as her sidekick. Jonathan especially in season 1 was better than Mary Sue Nancy. So I want Jonathan on his own with the main cast in Cali and give his character some time to grow away from Nancy.
Steve would never tell Nancy to "deel with it"
This is what happens when a relationship is completely based on trauma with no other ground work
Yeah, Steve would have told Nancy to get out of his car and left her on the street, just like he left her alone at the party.
Why does Jancy breaking up they're the most cute couple one of them actually all of them who's a couples is pretty cute more than cute amazing and romantic it really is romantic it really is
I am pretty much on both of their sides. They were fighting a group of assholes to do what was right. Even if Jonathan wanted to be more responsible, he knew deep down that Nancy was right. At the same time though Nancy knew deep down that she was being impulsive. I just can’t disagree with either of them.
Charlie Heaton and Natalia Dyer did a great performance 🎭
I like this argument, it makes me sympathise with both characters and it's one of the only realistic couple arguments in the show. Nancy obviously shouldn't have had to deal with the degrading treatment of her sexist co-workers and I understand why she wanted to prove she was right, it was the 1980's and women in the workplace weren't usually taken seriously back then. But at the same time, Jonathan also has a very valid point of view. Nancy clearly doesn't understand his perspective because she comes from a privileged family. Jonathan had to be the man of the house ever since his dad left and his family isn't wealthy so even a summer job is important to him because he wants to make money to support his family and his college tuition. Well written and very well acted, you can really feel both of their frustration through the acting.
100% on jonathans side here. nancy was so annoying this whole sideplot
they were both so wrong and so right at the same time
I would be have been sympathetic for her if she were not so controlling. I sometimes think Nancy needed to be put in her place.
*Nancy and Jonathan the old married couple*
I love Nancy but I’ve gotta side with Jonathon because he is being more realistic about life and money but Nancy is just thinking about herself and being mean about it. And I feel what Jonathon has gone through like bullying and all that 😭
I know i'm like a year late but in the previous episodes she said he didn't have to come but he did anyway
@@Handsomesqiudward still doesn't change the fact on how Nancy was complaining about this disregarding Jonathan's perspective
@@stan7259 Ok but if he was this pissed about it why go yes Nancy did say some bad wrong things but Johnathan shouldn't be mad considering it was his decision to go so he shouldn't even be upset with Nancy if anything he should be upset with himself
@@Handsomesqiudward
They were in a relationship. If you're in a relationship are you going to let your partner run off and do something dangerous by themselves?
@@93King No I wouldn't but after the fact i'm not about to argue about it either like he got angry for what talking about his job and how he needed money if he really wanted his job he would've stayed and Nancy was getting HUMILIATED by those people and he did nothing but watch and if you think that is a "relationship" then that's not okay
What is the back ground song?
Ost Is: we dont understand each other
Don’t get me wrong. She did not deserve to get taunted by the guys there. I would like to see a person who is decent put her in place. Again, I understand she did not have any options, but in general Nancy is a domineering and forceful person.
Fr she's toxic with both steve and Jonathan n they've reopened this love triangle again 💀
Nancy would have had other opportunities. She got into a good college. She would have gotten out of Hawkins anyways. I am not sure I could say about, except for Robin, the other women and girls. I have noticed that women did not have too many options in Hawkins.
And Jonathan wanted to stay close to his family with the college issues in 4 people think stancy is so out the blue but it's not if you analyse looking back...
I don't think jonathan will follow her
@@justpeachybaby5929 Nancy will do her own thing, regardless of what Jonathan wants.
Stancy> Jancy
ew no. jancy forever
My favourite part of season 3
Jk jk I don’t want hate